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Reason

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Jan 6, 2003, 6:19:33 PM1/6/03
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Hello Folks,

Long time lurker here. I thought maybe you old seasoned dogs might give me
a tip with this one.

I need a amp head quickly. I know what I need (Marshall JCM2000 TCL-100).

I went to the Guitar Center this morning. It was quiet and empty. I can go
anytime of the day. I'm wondering if I can get a better deal when its quiet
and empty or when its packed and noisy later in the evening?

Does it even matter?

Thanks,
Vik


Kevin D. Kissell

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Jan 6, 2003, 6:50:26 PM1/6/03
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"Reason" <rea...@doubleclick.com> wrote in message news:v1k3lpt...@corp.supernews.com...

Well, actually, you want to go when it's quiet and empty
in the *evening*, and the sales manager has just resigned
and is working out his last day. ;-)

> Does it even matter?

Not nearly as much as your negotiating skills,
e.g. don't let on that you "need a head quickly"!


PMG

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Jan 6, 2003, 6:53:16 PM1/6/03
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I'd recommend finding somewhere else to buy your guitars and amps
from. There's only one other place that's as bad as Guitar Center,
and that's Musician's Fiend, which GC owns anyhow.

GC didn't drive everyone out of business yet.

Pete

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AJS

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> I'd recommend finding somewhere else to buy your guitars and amps
> from. There's only one other place that's as bad as Guitar Center,
> and that's Musician's Fiend, which GC owns anyhow.
>

They do have good prices and decent selection, even if you have to deal with
the sales droids. I live in Portland, OR; we have a ton of music
stores...the only other place that can even hold a candle to GC's selections
and prices have a bunch of used car salesmen working for them. Literally,
you walk in and they say "what can I sell you today?" or this one: "how much
money did you bring with you?" I have been asked both of these questions
upon walking into this other place...
At least at GC, they pretty much ignore me, which can be a turn off when I
really do need to talk with someone but usually, they let me just hang out
and crank stuff up, they are anywhere near as uppity as the other places...

The sales guys though--DORKS, all of 'em.

Grant Erwin

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Jan 6, 2003, 8:50:07 PM1/6/03
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OK, I gotta trot out my favorite GC story. This is 100% true,
it happened to me and my son. We looked at modeling amps a few
months back and picked one largely because the sales guy assured
us the pedal came with it. At checkout time they said "woops,
sorry, the pedal is an additional $179" or something like that.
I said "no way, you said it came with it, go get it!" The sales
guy went away and came back (like a closer in a car dealership)
and said (this is classic): "I can get you the pedal but I'm going
to have to pay for it myself. You'll have to wait half an hour
while I go to the cash machine."

What a complete crock! I laughed in his face and demanded to see
the manager, who gave the guy a dirty look and said "give him
the pedal!"

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Silverface

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Jan 6, 2003, 10:21:28 PM1/6/03
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"Reason" <rea...@doubleclick.com> wrote in message
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I ran this past my son, who works in sales at GC - slow times are always
best for the customer. If you are a decent sort the salesperson will be
able to spend some time with you - and you have a much better chance of
getting a good deal than when it's busy (when there's always another fish to
land).


Silverface

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Jan 6, 2003, 10:23:43 PM1/6/03
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"AJS" <aaron.j...@opbu.xerox.net> wrote in message
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Most of 'em, yes - but here are a few good ones. I give my son some
credit...he's worked his ass off to learn products, does research on the
web...and when he's in the store and gets a vintage question he (or the
manager) can't answer, he calls *me* on the cell... ;-)

Not surprisingly, he's doing very well and gets repeat business...and very
few returns as he won't oversell folks.


Andy van Tol

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Jan 7, 2003, 12:09:42 AM1/7/03
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"Reason" <rea...@doubleclick.com> wrote in message
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Maybe not. Big sale at the local GC this weekend, though.

Andy


Flask

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Jan 7, 2003, 4:07:01 AM1/7/03
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That's got to be Apple Music....The only place more evil than GC....


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Kevin D. Kissell

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Jan 7, 2003, 4:46:45 AM1/7/03
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I've been living overseas for a long time, but for the 15 years
or so that I bought stuff at GC, it would not characterize them
as a bad place to buy gear. They were just fine so long as (a)
you know what you want and (b) you know what its worth.
They stock decent stuff, and they are big enough to have
economies of scale that permit them to give a decent discount
off of "list" and still make a few bucks. But you could not rely
on them for advice, and you would need to haggle to get that
discount. Buying big-ticket items at GC was an awful lot like
dealing with high-pressure new-car salesmen, a form of
psychic warfare.

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Kevin D. Kissell

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Jan 7, 2003, 4:47:43 AM1/7/03
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I've been living overseas for a long time, but for the 15 years
or so that I bought stuff at GC, it would not characterize them
as a bad place to buy gear. They were just fine so long as (a)
you know what you want and (b) you know what its worth.
They stock decent stuff, and they are big enough to have
economies of scale that permit them to give a decent discount
off of "list" and still make a few bucks. But you could not rely
on them for advice, and you would need to haggle to get that
discount. Buying big-ticket items at GC was an awful lot like
dealing with high-pressure new-car salesmen, a form of
psychic warfare.

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Frank D. Greco

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Jan 7, 2003, 11:17:46 AM1/7/03
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"Reason" <rea...@doubleclick.com> sez:

>I need a amp head quickly. I know what I need (Marshall JCM2000 TCL-100).
>
>I went to the Guitar Center this morning. It was quiet and empty. I can go
>anytime of the day. I'm wondering if I can get a better deal when its quiet
>and empty or when its packed and noisy later in the evening?

Go when its quiet and ask to speak to the manager. Skip the
kiddie sales dudes. The manager will negotiate; he's there
(similar to car dealerships) to move the merchandise.

I haven't had the bad experiences that others here have reported.

Just go in educated. Btw... I agree with the other poster that
said to brush up on your negotiating skills... don't say
"I need a [an] amp head quickly"... that's like cutting your
finger in a pool of sharks. ;*

Frank G.

AJS

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Jan 7, 2003, 12:10:21 PM1/7/03
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how'd you know :)?? grin


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GTski

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Jan 7, 2003, 4:17:39 PM1/7/03
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"Frank D. Greco" <fgr...@crossroadstechNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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Another idea... if you need any OTHER stuff.. like cable, or small stuff..
after you get the "best price" from the manager, tell him if he can include
a couple good guitar cords, and that used Boss pedal for $20 more,
you'll take it...

Definitely ask for the manager.. or if the sales-guy is doing some price
reduction... keep with him till he's at HIS best price... THEN ask for the
manager... used gear often has little or now *cost* to the store...
ESPECIALLY if the took it as a "trade-in"... so ANYTHING they get is
pure profit... these items may be more "negotiable" than other items...

Not only don't tell anyone that you "need" anything... don't show too much
interest in ANYTHING...

when I go to a store... I try to go during slow times.. when everybody is
there
buying stuff, what salesguy needs someone who is going to burn up time
fighting about
price and may not even buy the damn thing..?!! when there is nobody in the
store... YOU are the ONLY one who MIGHT buy something...

It's hard to tell when a "deal" will appear... the manager will not tell
you
when he's WAY below on sales... or if inventory is backing up...

The last amp I bought, I went in and looked at it 5 times... it was on sale
but
at about the same sale price as a few other stores... finally, a sales guy
said
"when are you going to just BUY that amp..??!!" It was tagged at $190...
I replied "Oh... I don't know... $190 is what they seem to be going for
around town..."
(around town they were $200-210) To which he replied... "How about $170..??"
And I said.. " How about $175 including tax..??" He said "Done..!"
And I walked out with a new Pro Jr. in a box....
not bad... I was going to spend that much on Ebay if I could
find one...

Now.... I'm in the hunt again...!!!!!!

gtski


Scott Colborn

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Jan 7, 2003, 6:34:29 PM1/7/03
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Hello,
Support your locally owned store. Give your support to the people who
live in your area, who work at the store, who have kids growing up. Don't
support the discounter chain stores, whose goal is to drive the local guy
out of business.
We've had this discussion many times on AGA, where a guy will post that
he got a crappy guitar, blah blah blah, but when questioned he admits to
buying it from a chain discounter, who's sole job of making sure the
instrument is set up correctly, is to remove it from it's cardboard shipping
box, and put it on the wall for sale, often not even tuned (laughing as I
write this). Why some people want to continue to support stores like this
is beyond my comprehension.
As a guitar teacher I've seen guitars purchased from chain stores that
were virtually unplayable, and the student then had to take their instrument
to a luthier to have the work done properly. My local store has a luthier
on premises, who makes sure everything they sell is correct, before "and"
after the sale is made. When a guy tries to save a few bucks by buying from
the chain discounter, what do you really end up saving?
Drop by your local store, and let them know what you are looking for.
They may know of someone who is thinking of trading or stepping up to
another model or brand, etc. Why is it that you "know" that you need a TSL?
Have you played `em?
Are you aware that you can pick up a good, used JCM 800 for far less
money? Let your local store know and they may be able to shake some bushes
for you, or, point you in the right direction.
Say NO to crappy service and poor quality - support your locally owned
music store! By building your relationship with your locally owned store,
guess who they will call when they get in a really incredible amp or guitar?
I have a couple of instruments or amps now that I can trace to my long
relationship with a local store - I got first look and bought `em.
Walk in Beauty, Peace. Scott


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robert

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Jan 8, 2003, 4:23:39 AM1/8/03
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"Scott Colborn" <thewayho...@inebraska.com> wrote in message
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Hi Scott,
In principle, I agree with supporting the local guy. My little town
has one music store, with the next closest one being a hours drive (one way)
and a town with selection of stores is 2 hours away. On the other hand, the
local guy's arrogance and flamboyance sends me and many others spending our
money elsewhere. His best deal is renting band equip. to the schools. He
keeps no used gear in his shop, he chooses to sell only new and take his
trade-ins to sell at shows. I have asked him about why no used gear, his
rationale is....."no used,....they'll buy new"... His prices are high on
his Fender and Peavey gear (which is all he carries) and he is not to
knowledgeable on what he does have.
I don't mind one that treats themselves to the finer things off the
fruits of their hard work as long as a humble attitude is shown. To display
the $20k bass-boat hooked up to the "Yukon" (both of which is replaced new
every year) in the parking lot of the store every day, shows a little poor
taste IMHO. Even with having *family* money. When the money comes from
customers that many have scrimped and worked real hard for, to at least act
like he needs their business and pretend to be on their level. Leave the
toys at home and drive a beater.
When making money off of people in a small town, one needs to be
careful how one displays to all the little people that made it all
possible......I shop at the merchant the next town over, who goes further to
deal with me with some class......Rant over!
Cheers,
robert


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Miles O'Neal

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Jan 8, 2003, 1:56:55 PM1/8/03
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robert wrote:

> In principle, I agree with supporting the local guy. My little town
> has one music store, with the next closest one being a hours drive (one way)
> and a town with selection of stores is 2 hours away. On the other hand, the
> local guy's arrogance and flamboyance sends me and many others spending our
> money elsewhere. His best deal is renting band equip. to the schools. He
> keeps no used gear in his shop, he chooses to sell only new and take his
> trade-ins to sell at shows. I have asked him about why no used gear, his
> rationale is....."no used,....they'll buy new"... His prices are high on
> his Fender and Peavey gear (which is all he carries) and he is not to
> knowledgeable on what he does have.
> I don't mind one that treats themselves to the finer things off the
> fruits of their hard work as long as a humble attitude is shown. To display
> the $20k bass-boat hooked up to the "Yukon" (both of which is replaced new
> every year) in the parking lot of the store every day, shows a little poor
> taste IMHO. Even with having *family* money. When the money comes from
> customers that many have scrimped and worked real hard for, to at least act
> like he needs their business and pretend to be on their level. Leave the
> toys at home and drive a beater.

I'd have to seriously consider starting a competitive store.

Goldtop71deluxe

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Jan 9, 2003, 5:17:10 PM1/9/03
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Actually, we have a GC near us that the manager and I get along pretty well.
Well he's a 50ish nerd and so am I
so what can you expect? I.E., I bought a new Taylor 410-CE with case for
899.00 Not a great deal but no rip-off, either.

Here in Dan Diego, the acoustic (and some of us electric) guys go to a co.
called Buffalo Bros. Huge inventory.
More acoustic instruments than I have ever seen in one spot outside of a
show. Got my Heritage there.

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>
> On 6-Jan-2003, "AJS" <aaron.j...@opbu.xerox.net> wrote:
>
> > The sales guys though--DORKS, all of 'em.
>

> What would you expect?
>


robert

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"Miles O'Neal" <m...@rru.com> wrote in message
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There have been a couple attempts to start a alternative
store.....One is in the process right now. I went in this new store to meet
the owner(s). Currently, a bare bones start. Crate amps, Johnson and Abilene
guitars along with a few various used guitars (the do have a unusual
Hagstrom in there). For many start-ups, being restricted by funding (working
capital) can cause a limp that is hard to get over.
One of the owners introduced himself and seemed a little
dissappointed that I didn't recognize his name. He had cd's with his name on
the label for sale on the counter. Apparently, he and his band have had
limited success as a opening act on some national tours and some radio
airplay. I just don't pay much attention to particular lineups in the
various bands. His name is Tom Bryant and is the guitarist/singer for a band
called "Head East"....I have a faint glimmer of hearing of the band, not
enough to care/pay attention.
Tom has some of his personal gear scattered out in the racks to
help fill space. A nice tele, a real nice Strat w/Roland synth p/u rig on
it(not my thing), a Gibson Firebird, etc. One thing that suprised me is, he
said of all the amps he uses, (discussed here plenty) is a simple Peavey
Classic 30! He has the options, through endorsements, to pick from
many.....He offered that as his personal choice. It struck me as odd.
I told them I'll be back and offered them best wishes. Until
proven otherwise, I'll refer to them my string'n'pick money and what ever I
can send their way in the publicity that they want business.
Cheers,
robert

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Rich Koerner

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Jan 10, 2003, 6:41:18 AM1/10/03
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Well, having read through this thread, I had a flashback to something I
saw in The Music & Sound Retailer. To be exact, the December 11, 2002,
Volume 19, No. 15 issue.


This is a magazine directed to the Music Stores. It's specifically an
interface between the manufactures of the products, reaching out with
their advertising, trying to attract dealers to stock their stuff.

So, I had flashed back to a Full Two Page Fender Advertisement on pages
26-27, stating why it would be so good to be a Fender Dealer.

Against a picture taken from what may be a shot from the stage of the
crowd with their hands in the air in front of the stage at a concert,
appears the words, "Give the people what they want".

Then on the opposite page you will find four captions. Each, with
pictures of their SS entry level products.

The captions are, PRICE, PROFIT, POSITION, and PEOPLE.

Under each caption is a supporting paragraph. Which would really piss
off a lot of Died in the Wool Fender users from the old days when Fender
knew how to make an amp and a guitar.

There are many different messages that can be gotten from this two page
ad.

What message would you get if on the first page you read in BIG BOLD
FONTS at the top of the page over the screaming teens, "GIVE THE PEOPLE
WHAT THEY WANT", followed by the pictures of the Frontman Amp Series,
the Dyna-Touch line of amps, Squire STARTER PAKS to catch the eyes of
the WOULD BE players, and a picture of some guy with a screw driver
adjusting the pickup of a Tele Thinline.

A Tele, I may add, that has NOTHING to do with any of the other products
in the promotion.

So, just what would it seem they are REALLY PROMOTING in this ad to the
Music Dealer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on guys,......

It's TWO words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On the count of three, can we ALL yell them
out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One..................................

TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Three!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cxxxx Jxxx!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


God, this ad really pisses me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You all have got to see it for yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

robert

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"Rich Koerner" <ri...@timeelect.com> wrote in message
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that a successful merchant should
know what he is selling in order to at least *appear* to know what it is
that he is selling to assure his customers of worthiness......But, his
finger should be firmly on the pulse of what his buyers are wanting. To
listen to much to suggestions of his suppliers of what it is that he *needs*
to market, becomes a "tail wagging the dog", more into maximizing the
suppliers bottom line and engineering a demand of the final market, sucking
the merchant into the same trap the final consumer is faced with.... of
buying the crap offered!
A merchants success should come from providing good choices of
products gleaned from the vast ocean of riff-raff the various suppliers
offer up. Earning his money by helping his customers do the leg-work of
being informed and to help relay the different values out there.
Everybody can't afford the pricey, high dollar stuff and quite
frankly, don't want it. Others can afford, and do want, the best money can
buy. A merchant can cater to both camps without offending the other by being
honest in expressing the value within what is offered and being informed as
to what needs to go with whom......That will bring loyalty and
success.....It does not necessarily coincide with the pitch offered by
suppliers.....They operate off their own agenda as to what to try to move.
Their product line should adjust based on the same principle rather that try
to fictionalize a market.......
Cheers,
robert


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steve eaton

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Jan 10, 2003, 5:41:03 PM1/10/03
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"robert" <rjnosp...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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I remember Head East, they were from Champaign, Ill (I
think).
Actually they had a bit more than a limited success. They
never
did become legends or anything but did have a few pretty
big albums.
And a top 40 hit or two. I do remember that they toured as
headliners for a few years

I never cared for them much, but it's more due to the
style rather than
that they were a bad band. They were around in the 70's
and were the second banana to REO Speedwagon, in that
insipid and
pedestrian "Midwest" style of the time. But they were a
decent band.

I can't remember the name of their biggest hit, but it was
something like
"Never Been a Reason" at least something about reason. Oh
well,
it was 25 or 30 years ago.

robert

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Tom (Bryant) off and on has been around here. A guy that plays
drums for me helped to educate me on who he was. He was asked to be their
drummer when they (Head East) were unknowns.....Still are to me8^) My
drummer is somewhat of a *spiritual vein*, and won't do the evil,dark, what
he calls "Satanic" music out of principle. Therefore he turned them down.
Tom told me did spend some time in Ca. ( he has a certain "big-hair",
excited/energetic personality that many Ca.-types seem to come off with. I
say this in a stereotypical way....no offense intended....as a 25 year
veteran so.Ca. beach rat, I've seen a *few*, they come from all
geographical locations)....I never followed the "Warrant, Ratt, Poison"
types much, I imagine there is some musical competency in there somewhere,
but I couldn't tell one from the other.....I figure Muzak will have
instrumental jazz versions for elevator supply eventually.....
Regardless, I'll buy strings (except GHS!) from him.
Cheers,
robert


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steve eaton wrote:

I do have a Head East album "Flat as a pancake" from 1974. "Never been
any reason" was their most popular song played on the radio.


Miles O'Neal

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robert wrote:

> Tom (Bryant) off and on has been around here. A guy that plays
> drums for me helped to educate me on who he was. He was asked to be their
> drummer when they (Head East) were unknowns.....Still are to me8^)

Their one hit, "Never Been Any Reason" (or was it "Going Down for the
Last Time"?) was pretty good. It was also the only song on the album
I liked. 8^/

> My
> drummer is somewhat of a *spiritual vein*, and won't do the evil,dark, what
> he calls "Satanic" music out of principle. Therefore he turned them down.

That's mind of ironic, given that their lead singer eventually became
the lead singer in Petra, one of the largest overtly Christian rock
bands ever.

So, what's so unusual about this Hagstrom?
-Miles

steve eaton

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"robert" <rjnosp...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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Robert, if your drummer has led you to believe that Head
East was in the vein of
the big haired bands you mentioned, perhaps he is mistaken.
Head East was before
that kind of music was a big thing. Like I said, they were
like REO Speedwagon,
but the lite version(you know them right? "Riding the Storm
Out"?)

Nothing evil or dark about them, mild social protest maybe
a little, but mostly
girl does guitar player wrong, and guitar guy wants girl in
the front
row kind of stuff. I believe that they did go to Cali once
they had a big hit
"Never been any Reason"(?) The only thing "Satanic" about
them was
the boring A,G,F progressions, boring lyrics, bubblegum
hooks, and maybe
that whole Jewfro hair thing. Like I said not a bad band,
just MOR stuff.

Now AFTER they were off the charts, I don't know, maybe
they sold their souls.


geetar67

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Jan 11, 2003, 1:37:41 AM1/11/03
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steve eaton wrote:

> Robert, if your drummer has led you to believe that Head
> East was in the vein of
> the big haired bands you mentioned, perhaps he is mistaken.
> Head East was before
> that kind of music was a big thing. Like I said, they were
> like REO Speedwagon,
> but the lite version(you know them right? "Riding the Storm
> Out"?)
>
> Nothing evil or dark about them, mild social protest maybe
> a little, but mostly
> girl does guitar player wrong, and guitar guy wants girl in
> the front
> row kind of stuff. I believe that they did go to Cali once
> they had a big hit
> "Never been any Reason"(?) The only thing "Satanic" about
> them was
> the boring A,G,F progressions, boring lyrics, bubblegum
> hooks, and maybe
> that whole Jewfro hair thing. Like I said not a bad band,
> just MOR stuff.
>
> Now AFTER they were off the charts, I don't know, maybe
> they sold their souls.

I was trying to remember the song you're talking about - then I remembered
that I covered it once a while back. The chorus, "Save my life I'm goin'
down for the last time," I always used to sing, "Shave my wife, I'm goin'
down for the last time..."

Thanks for the memories. :)
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> steve eaton wrote:
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Thanks Brian, I wasn't too far off though, considering it
was a song that
I didn't like from a band I that I didn't really care for,
done 28 years ago.
>
>


steve eaton

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Ahh.....That one, That was their OTHER hit, I had forgotten
about that one.
I guess they were TWO hit wonders.


geetar67

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steve eaton wrote:

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> "geetar67" <geeta...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> I was trying to remember the song you're talking about -


> then I remembered
>> that I covered it once a while back. The chorus, "Save my
> life I'm goin'
>> down for the last time," I always used to sing, "Shave my
> wife, I'm goin'
>> down for the last time..."
>>
>> Thanks for the memories. :)
>> --
>> Arch
>>
>
> Ahh.....That one, That was their OTHER hit, I had forgotten
> about that one.
> I guess they were TWO hit wonders.
>
>

No you were right the first time - that's the chorus to 'Never Been Any
Reason.' Never liked the song either. Let us never speak of it again.
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robert

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> So, what's so unusual about this Hagstrom?
> -Miles
>

Hi Miles,
Well, I picked it up and looked at it (Tom said he was repairing it
for a customer), it was a thin for a solid body, maybe just over 1" thick,
and the body was covered in a red vinyl material.....I commented on it being
a "tolexed" guitar......That was what mostly caught my eye, that and the
pick guard didn't look like it blended much with the body shape, the shape
was contrasting to the *flow* of the rest of the lines. The body seemed to
be "3/4" size compared to the *average* size guitar body/neck, making the
bridge seem mounted back on the body. He said it was all original.......It
just caught my eye as being unique and fairly old, it didn't appear to me to
be altered. Maybe a bottom line model for the time?
I don't know much about them, and I remember you mentioning
them a few times. As a matter of fact, your name crossed my mind as I was
looking at it....
Deja Vu?......
Cheers,
robert


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That's Ok by me Arch, now if we can only get Robert to
go along (he's a big fan you know).


robert

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> > > > One of the owners introduced himself and
> seemed a
> > > little
> > > > dissappointed that I didn't recognize his name. He
> had
> > > cd's with his name on
> > > > the label for sale on the counter. Apparently, he and
> his
> > > band have had
> > > > limited success as a opening act on some national
> tours
> > > and some radio
> > > > airplay. I just don't pay much attention to
> particular
> > > lineups in the
> > > > various bands. His name is Tom Bryant and is the
> > > guitarist/singer for a band
> > > > called "Head East"....I have a faint glimmer of
> hearing
> > > of the band, not
> > > > enough to care/pay attention.
>> > >

Some update and clarification.......
So as not to confuse, I play(jam?) with two different groups that
evolve on a *available at the time* situation, the two groups don't intermix
as the style of play is different.
What the drummer said, is of a more recent era. I was talking to him
Wednesday and he said Tom and co. heard him playing at a annual gig that is
done on a barge on a local lake every 4th 'o July and wanted him to join up
with them. He met with them at his house and played a few times and they
were working on a cover of Metallica's "Enter the Sandman", and it gave my
drummer the "eebie jeebies", and he "didn't want to do that stuff" ( As a
tune, and not much of a Metallica fan, *I* thought it was a decent piece of
work. He has his convictions, it is not my place to school him, and I
respect that.) He is a excellent drummer that is 10+ years younger than I.
As a kid, his parents owned a small "redneck" tavern (Tecumseh
Tavern....More on this...) in a small town in extreme so. central Mo.(45
mins. north of me).
Being a Metallica cover, I figure that would make the time frame of
this part more recent (early 90's?)
As a coincidence, earlier this eve., I was on the phone with the
bass player of my *other* group, setting up for the next time we practice
(big blues concert this weekend here, 8 bands on 2 stages.... Won't play
this weekend!8^) and I asked him if he knew Tom Bryant/Head East. He said
"Hell Yeah!" He remembers "back in '75 (He knew the year, 'cause that year
his dad bought a new 1-ton flatbed, and he used it to haul his gear) he use
to play in a group that played for door money at...........Tecumseh Tavern!!
on Sat. nights and Tom's band came to the tavern without a bass player and
he sat in and tried to wing it on some of the same songs mentioned in these
threads!!! He laughed and remembered he tried to keep his long hair hidden
under his hat so as to not "stir up crap" with the cowboys and the set they
did wasn't taken to kindly by the crowd.
I recall some of the lyrics mentioned in these posts, I didn't
live here then, at the time these songs were popular, I paid no attention at
all. (unless it was Freddy, Albert, Big Mama, Elvin/Alvin or maybe Savoy or
something.) I never was too much into the trends of the time, at least
compared to most of my friends at that point in my life, I sought a
different style compared to what was on the radio.
Maybe this sheds a little light on the course of
events.......Good tunes this weekend....Ever hear of "The Belairs"? That's
one of the acts. Last summer (semi-annual event) a kid out of Texas showed
up...."Wes Jeans".....huge sound, a little too busy for me, all in all,
pretty good player.....
Cheers,
robert


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Good story Robert. As far as Head East goes, I'm sure Tom
is a good guy,
and by now should be a good guitar player as well. But all
in all, this thread
is probably more attention than the band has gotten in 20
years.
As a side note though, I , this evening did see some
greatest hits of the 70's,
or greatest all time something or other hit CD being hawked
on TV.
Guess what one of the songs on it were. Yep, The head East
tune.
I'm afraid that we may have started a Head East revival
here at a.g.a.
This can't be good!


Thorny

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Head East was awesome. Their tune was "Never Been Any Reason" I
think. They only had the one hit as I recall. It makes my list as
one of the top "cowbell" era 70s rock tunes. You all need to go and
do a search for the tune.

I think one of their band members is (or was) the most recent lead
singer for Petra - John Schlitt. Petra is a great Christian Rock
band. Their first concert with him was in Evansville, IN (and I think
he lived nearby back then) in the mid-to-late 80s. Great group too.
I am not sure if I have his name spelled correctly.

more info
http://www.petrameansrock.com/theband/schlitt.htm

Miles O'Neal

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robert wrote:

> I picked up [the Hagstrom] and looked at it (Tom said he was repairing it
> for a customer),

Rats. I was hoping it was a trade-in he'd sell.

> it was a thin for a solid body, maybe just over 1" thick,
> and the body was covered in a red vinyl material.....I commented on it being
> a "tolexed" guitar......That was what mostly caught my eye, that and the
> pick guard didn't look like it blended much with the body shape, the shape
> was contrasting to the *flow* of the rest of the lines. The body seemed to
> be "3/4" size compared to the *average* size guitar body/neck, making the
> bridge seem mounted back on the body. He said it was all original.......It
> just caught my eye as being unique and fairly old, it didn't appear to me to
> be altered. Maybe a bottom line model for the time?

Just something different. If it's a Model 1 or Kent, then it was
the bottom of *that* line. I love those guitars. Bit of a pain to
work on the electronics, because the whole front (plus strings,
natch) has to come off, but otherwise, ooo, baby. For whatever
reason, that look never caught on. I'd love to have one in every
color made. They have way more sustain than you'd expect from
such a light guitar, and the necks are fantastic.

Um, this did have the entire front as one, big, plastic piece, right?

Thanks,

Miles

robert

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No, not for sale.....So I would handle carefully, he made the
point of it being "customer" owned. Yep! one big plastic front. Maybe to
within 3/4" of the edges. A few of the screwholes fastening the front were
blown out(cracked to the edge) from overtightening. The vinyl was in good
shape.
Cheers,
robert


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>Subject: Best time to support your locally owned store, was: Re: Best Time
>to Buy at Guitar Center
>From: "Scott Colborn" thewayho...@inebraska.com
>Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2003 6:34 PM

> Support your locally owned store.

As soon as you find one that'll give me GC's 30 day no-questions-asked money
back guarantee let me know. And it'd be nice if they came close to GC's prices
too but I'd pay a little more for better service.

> Give your support to the people who
>live in your area, who work at the store, who have kids growing up.

Last time I checked all of the people working at my local GC lived in the area.
Many of them are in local bands.

> As a guitar teacher I've seen guitars purchased from chain stores that
>were virtually unplayable, and the student then had to take their instrument
>to a luthier to have the work done properly. My local store has a luthier
>on premises, who makes sure everything they sell is correct, before "and"
>after the sale is made.

The guitars and bass that I've bought from GC have been set up properly. Both
the manager and assistant manager can do minor tweaking (saddle and truss rod)
on a bench at the back of the store and they have an excellent repair tech on
the premises.

>When a guy tries to save a few bucks by buying from
>the chain discounter, what do you really end up saving?

Money.

> Say NO to crappy service and poor quality

All of the crappy service I ever received at music stores have been at "local"
stores. Some local stores (Chuck Levin's is one example) are great but many of
them suck.

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