Improving the tone of your tube amp
AC
tone just as much as changing the speakers...
Continued: http://easyurl.net/ToneTubeAmp
Count DeMonet (fka MZ)
And all these years I kept changing the knobs and tolex hoping beyond
hope that the sound would change!
You my friend are a Saint! You have saved me!!
JP
Shucks! And I though it was the Mogami power cord! You mean I wasted a
$1000?
Rufus
...damn...lessons...I should have taken lessons...I've been trying to
master the Mogami power chord for years, and I've just never been able
to get the fingering right...
...hey - you wouldn't know where I could get some baritone tolex, would ya?
--
- Rufus
Arlowe
Yep, it's in the personal hygine aisle between the mouthwash and
denture cream.
Blunt A. Blaze
JP
Right next to the macaroni seeds I think...
Restless Fingers Syndrome
>
> And all these years I kept changing the knobs and tolex hoping beyond
> hope that the sound would change!
>
I noticed the color of the power cord was
the turning point for me finding tone heaven.
Dave Curtis
The gray ones have mondo mojo.
Black ones are just too dark sounding.
I tried a white one once, and just couldn't take it; way too shrill,
almost squealy.
JP
Like those white caps in the older amps...way too bright! Orange drops
give it "fruity" harmonics...
Flinstoneyerfired
Don Evans
I used to work with a keyboard player who kept demanding I take the Peavey
logos off of my PA speakers. He claimed he was embarrassed by them, and was
convinced people would think the PA sounded better without them. May have
been right, who knows. People do listen with their eyes.
Don
Blunt A. Blaze
> Don Evans wrote:
[STUPID]
> People do listen with their eyes.
>
> Don
:-) mvm
http://tinyurl.com/2hj395
Count DeMonet (fka MZ)
It's true. I bought a Crate amp from someone a few years ago and he
had taken the Crate logo off of it cos he said he was embarrassed. The
amp sounded great and I'd have taken it over a lot of amps two to
three times the price.
The herd says that Marshall is the best so they must be right?
ROFLMAO!!
Marshall = Marlboro, Budweiser et al. I prefer the combo of Carvin
+Winston+Sam Adams.
Don Evans
> [STUPID]
No, actually, that isn't what I meant. We all do it sometimes ... even you,
Marc.
Don
JJTj
>I used to work with a keyboard player who kept demanding I take the Peavey
>logos off of my PA speakers. He claimed he was embarrassed by them, and was
>convinced people would think the PA sounded better without them. May have
>been right, who knows. People do listen with their eyes.
>
>Don
So what does that say for owners of 'B52' amps, or the like?
Peavey at least is a good product for the $.
Look at the new GP, showing under 15 watt amps, some costing
over $3k. Peavey has the Windsor. $500 list.
OK, the review didn't like the reverb, and lack of F/switch.
But if you look at the inside pix, I'd rather fix that sucker
then the BadCat. 4x the price. A basket case inside.
..and I like the sound of BadCat amps. But look inside.
Ampeg and Fender, while not being the same design, are the
same (of less) inside build quality at 3x the price.
And the Gretsch ? $3.4k ??
Folks today are being raped on these amps, when years ago,
they were produced by many brands for alot less $$.
I can buy 6 Peavey Windsor amps, mod them till I'm blue in the face
for the price of one Gretsch. Buy 4, change speakers, tubes, whatever,
and still get more out of them then 1 Gretsch. 3 BadCats mod to the hilt.
Learn, or be sold to. Again and again..at 3x the price.
JJTj
(BOTH domain names up for sale)
Flinstoneyerfired
Yeah, they sure do- especially us guitar players! I actually gig with
a (gasp!) 5150 combo. Whenever that thing is sitting onstage beside
Marshalls and Fenders, no one ever plugs into it, because players seem
to gravitate towards Marshalls and Fenders. I like Fenders and have a
love/hate thing going with Marshalls. the 5150 is great for hard rock
and metal. However, after seeing some detailed pix of the inside of
it, I wouldn't want to have work done on it. I've had it ten years-
aside from retubing, it's been pretty solid.
Mike
Flinstoneyerfired
Unfortunately, a lot of folks get totally into the gear aspect without
really trusting or developing their own tastes. How many guys have you
seen who will say such and such brand of guitar is "shit" without
having any experience with the brand in question.
Most guitar players I know wouldn't piss on my gear if it was on fire.
It really doesn't bother me much.
Mike
Flinstoneyerfired
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yup- there are Crate amps that sound great- the Vintage Club and Blue
Voodoo are two that I've liked. I have a Marshall, but it tends to be
a one-trick pony (much like my 5150). It's a good trick, but I really
would like an amp like a Twin that gets a great clean sound.
I constantly kick myself for not buying a silverface Twin that was for
sale for $300 when I was a kid. It was in pristine condition and came
with a road case. I would have hung on to it.
Mike
Don Evans
JJTj wrote:
>> I used to work with a keyboard player who kept demanding I take the
>> Peavey logos off of my PA speakers. He claimed he was embarrassed
>> by them, and was convinced people would think the PA sounded better
>> without them. May have been right, who knows. People do listen
>> with their eyes.
>>
>> Don
>
> So what does that say for owners of 'B52' amps, or the like?
>
> Peavey at least is a good product for the $.
I totally agree with you. That's the point. I've worked with sound crews
who had "no peavey" clauses. LOL. At the same time, one of the best small
sound companies
I ever had the pleasure of working with was called Alpha ... from Nashville,
IIRC (maybe Memphis, but I think Nashville), and all, if not nearly all, of
their amps were Peavey. They had the highest regard for Hartley and his
company.
>
> Look at the new GP, showing under 15 watt amps, some costing
> over $3k. Peavey has the Windsor. $500 list.
>
> OK, the review didn't like the reverb, and lack of F/switch.
>
> But if you look at the inside pix, I'd rather fix that sucker
> then the BadCat. 4x the price. A basket case inside.
>
> ..and I like the sound of BadCat amps. But look inside.
>
> Ampeg and Fender, while not being the same design, are the
> same (of less) inside build quality at 3x the price.
>
> And the Gretsch ? $3.4k ??
>
> Folks today are being raped on these amps, when years ago,
> they were produced by many brands for alot less $$.
>
> I can buy 6 Peavey Windsor amps, mod them till I'm blue in the face
> for the price of one Gretsch. Buy 4, change speakers, tubes,
> whatever, and still get more out of them then 1 Gretsch. 3 BadCats
> mod to the hilt.
>
> Learn, or be sold to. Again and again..at 3x the price.
>
> JJTj
>
One of my amps is a Delta Blues ... no argument here.
Don
Renli
Peavey has a bad sounding name and puts out crap as well as good gear.
My first guitar as well as my first amp was a peavey. The guitar
snapped a string within 2months the amp blew just before.
I admit, I got a rage 158 later on which was okay but damn, I don't
see any reason to buy peavey anymore. I have a perception that peavey
is for beginners and clueless people. Why? To be honest half of it is
the name.. Peavey.. sounds like puny.. or wimpey.. or something. Just
let me ask you this.. which one does not belong:
MARSHALL.
ANGEL P-BALL (ENGL)
LANEY
MESA TRIPLE RECTIFIER
BOGNER
peavey 158
Go ahead tell me which one does not belong...
-
Don Evans
Let me understand you clearly ... your guitar broke a string after 2 months,
and you think that's a problem? You don't mention how the amp blew. Was it
an amp problem or a user problem? I only mention this in the context that a
broken string shows poor guitar quality.
So the sound of the name Peavey puts you off more than Laney or Angel? Huh!
Talk about listening with your eyes.
Don
Flinstoneyerfired
Omigod! The STRING snapped? You should have returned it for a full
refund!
>
> I admit, I got a rage 158 later on which was okay but damn, I don't
> see any reason to buy peavey anymore. I have a perception that peavey
> is for beginners and clueless people. Why? To be honest half of it is
> the name.. Peavey.. sounds like puny.. or wimpey.. or something. Just
> let me ask you this.. which one does not belong:
Um, lessee- you say that your Rage was okay, but that you perceive
Peavey is for beginners and clueless people. Since your experience
seems to contradict what you say, you must have talked to others about
this and adopted someone else's opinion as your own- happens all the
time. I've been playing about thirty years- I play a Peavey- I've
played Marshalls, Fenders, Mesa Boogies, Laneys, Orange, Engl, etc.
Some Peaveys can hang pretty well with more expensive stuff, IMHO.
>
> MARSHALL.
> ANGEL P-BALL (ENGL)
> LANEY
> MESA TRIPLE RECTIFIER
> BOGNER
> peavey 158
>
> Go ahead tell me which one does not belong...
Perhaps if you put in a more compatible model of Peavey, the
comparison would be a little more relevant. Well, more relevant than
saying the name sounds wimpy.
>
> -- Hide quoted text -
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That's a *great* amp, if you can get it to stop rattling.
You'll say words not permitted in church if you have
to work on it, though. BTDT. ;-)
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Difficult to say. If I had the choice between a valveking and TSL, I
would choose the TSL. This could actually cause me to make a mistake.
I'm just saying, I am aware of this sort of "problem" and even that I
have it, but for some unknown reason I feel embarrased by peavey
products. The truth is, I don't respect them because I feel cheated by
the brand. Honestly, every piece of peavey gear I have used broke.
Nothing else I have ever used ever, ever broke. SO if peavey puts out
great gear as well as crap.. well.. more power to peavey.. but I won't
be spending my $$$ on upper level gear from peavey.
Given that you can drop a handwired tube amp nowadays for the same
price as a PCB piece of crap or only a little more, there is zero
excuse for putting out crap that blows during casual use. I was a
beginner for god's sake, and they TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME.
And if I put "peavey valveking" in that list, I still don't think it
would belong :< it's a predjudice I have. Maybe one day I'll lose it?
who knows.
-
Flinstoneyerfired
I don't like TSLs. The tone is kinda "brittle", IMHO. I haven't played
a Valve King, so I dunno if I'd choose it instead. I'd take a JSX over
a TSL. A lot of pros aren't embarrassed by Peavey gear (Joe Satriani,
for starters). Marshall puts out great gear and crap, too. Some of
their solid state offerings leave a lot to be desired, IMHO. At least
you don't overpay for Peavey stuff.
>
> Given that you can drop a handwired tube amp nowadays for the same
> price as a PCB piece of crap or only a little more, there is zero
> excuse for putting out crap that blows during casual use. I was a
> beginner for god's sake, and they TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME.
AFAIK, handwired amps are way more expensive. Shoot, some boutique
builders use PCBs as well and charge an arm and a leg. I've used
Peavey amps for years and I've never blown one up. I've had many more
issues with Marshalls. YMMV.
>
> And if I put "peavey valveking" in that list, I still don't think it
> would belong :< it's a predjudice I have. Maybe one day I'll lose it?
> who knows.
To each his own. A lot of pros use Peavey gear. I've never liked the
idea of trying to buy gear so that others can be impressed. In fact, I
like playing stuff that people consider crap and tryiong to get good
tone out of it. Sometimes I am successful, sometimes, not so much. It
will still be me playing it whether it's a Peavey or a Dumble. It's
really not going to sound that much different.
Mike
Blunt A. Blaze
Don-
You _really_ ought to confine subjective responses to your *own*
reactions, vs. *presume* to _project_ and _attribute_ them to
others...here's what I mean...my wife's a teacher in a private school.
She's been at it for decades. A few years ago, she embarked upon a
program of teaching her peers in the system (there's several different
schools / campuses), something she'd learned in a seminar series. What
she'd learned there was reinforced by her experience and it's this;
We *all* and *each* _learn_ and process information differently, from a
dominant mode / means standpoint:
Just as some are right brain dominant and some are left brain dominant-
1. Some learn via *AUDITORY* pathways. (Parietal lobes of the brain)
2. Some learn via *VISUAL* pathways. (Occipital lobe of the brain)
3. Some learn via *TACTILE* pathways.
http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/dept/ps/2007/firstyear/ns/2006/neuroanat_martin5.pdf
To some extent, these combine, but make no mistake about it- when it
comes to things like learning a sport or learning to play music there
are different levels of this necessary at different times, for different
people...we all aren't the same:
1. Listening
When someone is speaking about something serious or heavy, looking at
them f**ks me up in terms of processing and retention, because people
throw off a lot of disinformation w/ body language and/or 'vibe', even
looks...(to me). Think of a gorgeous woman talking- I literally can't
hear what she's saying when my ____ gets in the way and my ____ is
definitely wired directly to my eyes...so I try not to look, but listen
only- dig? Same w/ a politician or a pro-sales type- f**k their hands
and facial expressions...WHAT IS THE DUDE SAYING? Sure, they modulate
tonality- but I've taught myself to treat that ____ like a written
transcript. I've learned that it's AMAZING how LITTLE many people have
to say when you do this. The rest is often BULLSHIT.
I am _definitely_ a listening-learner when it comes to learning from
people, live (or video).
2. Looking
Now if there's something I need to learn in the how-to dept., watching
has its place and value. Some things you've got to see first, like a
coach -Wrestling, Boxing, etc....Guitar teacher. I have to see, slowly,
how he's doing what he want's me to learn to do. I'M LEFT HANDED. the
best part about that, is that a guy with a guitar looks like a mirror
to me! Still- it's got to be slowed down, to process, and that much is
probably true for us all. Also- I learn a GREAT deal by READING it.
Hi-liting it and RE-READING.
If I'm gonna learn something academic- I _have_ to READ it.
3. Touching
You don't learn how to do _anything_ athletic or musical w/out doing it.
Someone can talk at you and/or you can read about it until you wrinkle
but you have *do* to process the information into practicable form and
repeat the physical until it's literally part of your brain.
When I need to learn hard core _how_to_ , I have to TOUCH and DO.
So you see- school, sitting on your ass, watching a teacher (esp. if
she's FINE) screws guys like me up big time. I got a taste of that
w/ nuns and military school; Straight A's in Catholic school, a military
academy, courses taught by males and Naval flight training. Public
school with a fox at the blackboard? I struggled.
Your mileage may vary. That's just my 2 cents...
Regards,
Don Evans
Blunt A. Blaze wrote:
>> Don Evans wrote:
>>
>> Blunt A. Blaze wrote:
>>
>>>> Don Evans wrote:
>>
>>> [STUPID]
>>
>>>> People do listen with their eyes.
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>> :-) mvm
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2hj395
>>
>> No, actually, that isn't what I meant. We all do it sometimes ...
>> even you, Marc.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>
> Don-
>
> You _really_ ought to confine subjective responses to your *own*
> reactions, vs. *presume* to _project_ and _attribute_ them to
> others...
Likewise, I'm sure! ;-)
here's what I mean...my wife's a teacher in a private school.
> She's been at it for decades. A few years ago, she embarked upon a
> program of teaching her peers in the system (there's several different
> schools / campuses), something she'd learned in a seminar series. What
> she'd learned there was reinforced by her experience and it's this;
>
> We *all* and *each* _learn_ and process information differently, from
> a dominant mode / means standpoint:
>
> Just as some are right brain dominant and some are left brain
> dominant-
> 1. Some learn via *AUDITORY* pathways. (Parietal lobes of the brain)
>
> 2. Some learn via *VISUAL* pathways. (Occipital lobe of the brain)
>
> 3. Some learn via *TACTILE* pathways.
> http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/dept/ps/2007/firstyear/ns/2006/neuroanat_martin5.pdf
>
> To some extent, these combine, but make no mistake about it- when it
> comes to things like learning a sport or learning to play music there
> are different levels of this necessary at different times, for
> different people...we all aren't the same:
>
> 1. Listening
>
> When someone is speaking about something serious or heavy, looking at
> them f**ks me up in terms of processing and retention, because people
> throw off a lot of disinformation w/ body language and/or 'vibe', even
> looks...(to me).
Interesting, and yet in another thread, you interpreted people not looking
directly at each other negatively.
Not really sure how any of this relates to your having added "stupid" to my
sentence, but interesting just the same. It really doesn't change the fact
that people are mislead by preconceived notions, and that visual cues affect
what they think they are hearing. In fact, it supports it in a big way.
Don
Blunt A. Blaze
You know Mike, long ago I began to dis what "most" people have to say in
deference to what those few I come to respect have to say. "Most" in my
book = the mediocre, the follower, the coward, the mob. I've learned
that those perma-stuck w/ a Jr. High mentality (unfortunately -many in
life and almost all I run across here in ABusenet...) are far more
concerned with being fish / birds in the center of the school. Safety
and "being liked" holds a higher priority for them than individuality
and courage (which they secretly admire but publicly see as foolish).
It's a fundamental flaw w/ "majority rules", but that's the way things
are...I'd sooner die on my feet than live on my knees and that's why I
have many and enemy here in ABusenet, -land of the anonymous coward.
Fuck 'em. I have no respect for them, because I truly believe them to be
largely self-loathing, small in spirit and unworthy of my or anyone
else's respect. :-) mvm
Blunt A. Blaze
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...Interesting admission. Ha ha ha ha ha. ;-) mvm
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1.] "Likewise, I'm sure!" ;-) -Don Evans
You can be sure about that.
2.] "Interesting, and yet in another thread, you interpreted people not
looking directly at each other negatively." -Don Evans
? Vague. I look down or a _bit_ away when someone is making a point to
me. I let them know I'm listening w/ affirmative head nods and/or verbal
uh-huh, etc. I maintain eye-contact when I'm speaking, but if they do
what I do,(look down or away) as I'm speaking, that's _cool_! I
understand. I don't attribute it to negative variables...as I've
witnessed many do- many, are often, -dead wrong. "'Common sense; is
anything *but* common" as the trite-but-true exprssion goes...
3.] "Not really sure how any of this relates to your having added
"stupid" to my sentence, but interesting just the same. It really
doesn't change the fact that people are mislead by preconceived
notions, and that visual cues affect what they think they are
hearing. In fact, it supports it in a big way." -Don Evans
a.] To your "...the fact that people are mislead by preconceived
notions..." -Don Evans
I would preface;
*STUPID* people are mislead by preconceived notions.
In fact, I would (did?)say-
*STUPID* people allow _themselves_ to be mislead by preconceived
notions.
b.] To your "...visual cues affect what they think they are hearing. In
fact, it supports it in a big way..." -Don Evans
I already wrote "...To some extent, these combine, but make no mistake
about it-..." It's the sentence following the link to info on tactile
pathways [3]...
Blunt A. Blaze
Those are cool amps, imo. mvm
Random Excess
<U*courage-i-honor~@orConquerU!VFM~A.edu> wrote:
Nothing of consequence.
Look out, the Moo-lay thang has cross-polinated to this grewup now.
Best response is to disregard.
Texas Pete
Random Excess
no-way street.
Truth.
RE
Blunt A. Blaze
= Stupid incarnate. mvm
Blunt A. Blaze
> Random Excess
>
> Truth.
? Here it is:
He's dumber than a box of hair on fire and more twisted than a DNA
double helix in a tornado.
Random Excess
This is its response only because I'm smart enough to disagree with
know-nothing drooler Bluntzer/:-) mvm.
RE
RichL
> You _really_ ought to confine subjective responses to your *own*
> reactions, vs. *presume* to _project_ and _attribute_ them to
> others
Don't you think that's a bit ironic coming from you, especially when you
replaced Don's post with [STUPID]??
Now, back in with you!
Blunt A. Blaze
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Rufus
> On Aug 5, 11:24 am, "Don Evans" <gtrdonev...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Flinstoneyerfired wrote:
>>> On Aug 3, 3:15 pm, AC <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>>>> Changing the tubes in your guitar amplifier can change the
>>>> tone just as much as changing the speakers...
>>>> Continued:http://easyurl.net/ToneTubeAmp
>>> Just rip off the Peavey logo.
>>> Mike
>> I used to work with a keyboard player who kept demanding I take the Peavey
>> logos off of my PA speakers. He claimed he was embarrassed by them, and was
>> convinced people would think the PA sounded better without them. May have
>> been right, who knows. People do listen with their eyes.
>>
>> Don
>
> had taken the Crate logo off of it cos he said he was embarrassed. The
> amp sounded great and I'd have taken it over a lot of amps two to
> three times the price.
>
> The herd says that Marshall is the best so they must be right?
> ROFLMAO!!
>
> Marshall = Marlboro, Budweiser et al. I prefer the combo of Carvin
> +Winston+Sam Adams.
Hold the Winstons, and sit a Sam Adams on top of my Carvin!
--
- Rufus
WB
> Like those white caps in the older amps...way too bright! Orange drops
> give it "fruity" harmonics...
I guess the C part of F =1/rc means the colour of the plastic !
WB
> He claimed he was embarrassed by them, and was
> convinced people would think the PA sounded better without them. May have
> been right, who knows.
>
Peavey makes some pretty road weary gear ... and a good bang for the $.
WB
>I like Fenders and have a
> love/hate thing going with Marshalls.
>
Stick to the Marshalls with 6 or so knobs
and 5 tubes.
Those value-suck models are dumpster bait.
StephenCalder
Squier
> On Aug 5, 11:24 am, "Don Evans" <gtrdonev...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Flinstoneyerfired wrote:
> > > On Aug 3, 3:15 pm, AC <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
> > >> Changing the tubes in your guitar amplifier can change the
> > >> tone just as much as changing the speakers...
> >
> > >> Continued:http://easyurl.net/ToneTubeAmp
> >
> > > Just rip off the Peavey logo.
> >
> > > Mike
> >
> > I used to work with a keyboard player who kept demanding I take the Peavey
> > logos off of my PA speakers. He claimed he was embarrassed by them, and was
> > convinced people would think the PA sounded better without them. May have
> > been right, who knows. People do listen with their eyes.
> >
> > Don
>
> Yeah, they sure do- especially us guitar players! I actually gig with
> a (gasp!) 5150 combo. Whenever that thing is sitting onstage beside
> Marshalls and Fenders, no one ever plugs into it, because players seem
> to gravitate towards Marshalls and Fenders. I like Fenders and have a
> love/hate thing going with Marshalls. the 5150 is great for hard rock
> and metal. However, after seeing some detailed pix of the inside of
> it, I wouldn't want to have work done on it. I've had it ten years-
> aside from retubing, it's been pretty solid.
>
> Mike
I met this friend at college and he had Peavey XXX head and 4x12 no name cab.
Yeah ok - the 'mudflap' girl motif on the XXX is kinda hokey but all I know is
that the head and seemingly homemade 4x12 cab absolutely kicked some serious
high gain butt. Great tones. And this amp was used and abused and we all
plugged into it at one time or another. Great amp. Didn't matter what
guitar was used because you could get it dialed in fairly quickly.
Not bad cleans either (although that's not why you get that amp)
No, I do not own one, but I wouldn't say no if someone gave me one.
I would put that XXX up against Bogner Extasy anyday. yeah I would.
And of course it all depends on who's playing.
A great amp will still sound crap with a crap player.
A decent amp will sound great with a great player.
At full band rockin out volume all these tonal hairs that people
split are of dubious value anyway. Sure, the tone sniffers wankin
in the bedroom can hear the nuances and sure in a recording environment
these tonal hairs can be split and heard.. but in full rock band volume
I am willing to bet most of you wouldn't know the difference between
a good player using a Squier Strat and a Twin re-issue and a Custom Shop level
Strat and an actual Blackface Twin.
Or a Les Paul through an actual JTM 45 and an Epiphone playing through
some Plexi clone du jour.
To me in actual live band playing, it's more about the player than the gear.
To the bedroom wankers... it's mostly all about the gear.
Gear is cool. but in a personal way. Once you step out the door
and play out. No one that I know really cares what you have because
there is a trust that whatever you bring you cared enough to care about
how it sounds and will make the best of it.
You plug in and start playing. Simple as that.
Back at home practicing I can certainly get wrapped up in the gear thing,
but I'm tellin ya - once I'm packed up and ready to go - it's all about
the playing and hitting the songs right. In fact, out of all the people
I have played with (and I've only just started in earnest) it seems that
the people that want to talk gear all the time never seem to really hold
up that well in band settings. The people that just setup and get playing
are the ones you watch out for. In the short time I've been playing out
I've seen all types of gear and rigs and all that matters is how they play it.
From Traynors to Fenders to Marshalls to Mesa's to Vox and Peavey and
Laney and more and all sorts of
homemade/ handwired stuff. No one cares... except how you play and sound.
Gear is cool to talk about. But it should become a non-issue the moment
you plug in and start playing. When you get back home.. yeah.. sure
go into a gear induced stupor.. but keep it at home.. and on newsgroups. ;)
ty
> Count DeMonet (fka MZ) wrote:
>
>>
>> hope that the sound would change!
>>
> I noticed the color of the power cord was
> the turning point for me finding tone heaven.
don't forget that you have to have the instrument cable plugged in in
the right direction so that the electrons flow smoothly and
faster...according to the Gibson website, the way the copper cable is
extruded has an effect on tone! LOL!
ty
ty
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:41:43 -0500, Restless Fingers Syndrome
> <r...@itch.com> wrote:
>
>> Count DeMonet (fka MZ) wrote:
>>
>>> And all these years I kept changing the knobs and tolex hoping beyond
>>> hope that the sound would change!
>>>
>> I noticed the color of the power cord was
>> the turning point for me finding tone heaven.
>
>
> Black ones are just too dark sounding.
>
> I tried a white one once, and just couldn't take it; way too shrill,
> almost squealy.
I think my pink horizon cable has a really hot sound!
ty
ty
> Flinstoneyerfired wrote:
>> On Aug 3, 3:15 pm, AC <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>>> Changing the tubes in your guitar amplifier can change the
>>> tone just as much as changing the speakers...
>>>
>>> Continued:http://easyurl.net/ToneTubeAmp
>> Just rip off the Peavey logo.
>>
>> Mike
>
> I used to work with a keyboard player who kept demanding I take the Peavey
> logos off of my PA speakers. He claimed he was embarrassed by them, and was
> convinced people would think the PA sounded better without them. May have
> been right, who knows. People do listen with their eyes.
>
> Don
>
>
Inside" placques
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Blunt A. Blaze
;-) mvm
Count DeMonet (fka MZ)
I gigged with a Bandit for years before I went to tube amps.. My first
tube amp was a Hybrid Peavey Heritage and I long for another one. I
currently own a TripleX Super40 and though I don't gig it, I do love
the thing. I prefer to gig my Carvin 2x12 Valvemaster because it cuts
through better and has the oomph I need when I'm playing outdoors and
larger venues. I have a prejudice about micing my amp and try to avoid
whenever possible.
To me, Peaveys are the best workingman option out there. BTW have you
seen the VYPR yet?
Count DeMonet (fka MZ)
I'm hoping to be getting rid of the Winstons soon..
Count DeMonet (fka MZ)
BAM! You hit the nail on the head there my friend. Back when I was
using a 1x12 SS "PEAVEY" Bandit to gig, I had many players come up to
me and say "I can't believe the tone you get outta that thing"! I'm
not saying I'm some tremendous player because actually I'm a hack but
I do know how to get good sounds no matter what I play through.
Flinstoneyerfired
I agree with you 100% on that score. The best ones had the least
bullshit- no channel switching, no diodes for clipping, etc. The old
ones are great. They sound like real amps. The only problem is you
have to crank them way up to get the best out of them.
Mike
Squier
> WB wrote:
> > Don Evans wrote:
> >> He claimed he was embarrassed by them, and was
> >> convinced people would think the PA sounded better without them. May
> >> have been right, who knows.
> >
> > Peavey makes some pretty road weary gear ... and a good bang for the $.
>
>
> road weary?
a euphemism for a tired looking amp (?)
or perhaps the entire phrase is meant to say...
"a tired looking amp ready to explode" (good 'bang' for the buck)
nah..
ReMark
wrote:
>
>
>Flinstoneyerfired wrote:
>> On Aug 3, 3:15 pm, AC <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>>> Changing the tubes in your guitar amplifier can change the
>>> tone just as much as changing the speakers...
>>>
>>> Continued:http://easyurl.net/ToneTubeAmp
>>
>> Just rip off the Peavey logo.
>>
>> Mike
>
>I used to work with a keyboard player who kept demanding I take the Peavey
>logos off of my PA speakers. He claimed he was embarrassed by them, and was
>convinced people would think the PA sounded better without them. May have
>been right, who knows. People do listen with their eyes.
>
>Don
>
I used a Peavey Classic 50 top for a few years, and it was a reliable,
good sounding amp at a reasonable price. I gigged just about every
weekend with it and never had a problem.
It did not, however, have a Peavey logo on it. I had a small plastic
Heineken plaque from the 80's that I ran across when doing major
housecleaning, so I screwed that to the front of the Peavey.
I think only one person ever asked what kind of amp it was. I gave
the Peavey nameplate to the guy I sold the amp to, but he liked the
Heineken one much better.
Like a couple of others that went away, sometimes I wish I still had
that amp ...