Hip-hop and graffiti
BeAsT
I'd like to hear what graff headz feel is the connection between hip-hop
and graffiti.
Mike Davis
BeAsT wrote:
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> I'd like to hear what graff headz feel is the connection between hip-hop
> and graffiti.
as the modern movement of what we know as graffiti was coming to be, it
was definitely part of the hip hop culture. now that it has expanded
beyond its original state and taking so many new and unexpected turns,
different cultures are picking up on graff (skaters, punks, ravers,
etc). and just as alot of graff styles have changed, so have motivations
and reasonings for writing.
although it's still part of the hip hop culture (movement?), it's not
strictly a hip hop thing.
peace
mike d d;7
CELTIC 594
:I'd like to hear what graff headz feel is the connection between hip-hop
:and graffiti.
No conection for me, but for some people there is one.
-Celtske....
single white shemale
---"money doesn't talk..it swears"---Bob Dylan
FLyMaMi NY
But on the real , im a artist and dj but i love salsa more then rap
anyday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FLyMaMi NY
Graffiti is a element of the hip hop culture BUT when you didn't catch the
ol' school writers listening to the Artifacts, they listened to heavy
metal and that stuff... I know some writers and they HATE
rap........................Graff. is also a element of other
cutures,besides hip hop.
SPADE 127
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I partially agree with your statement. What does hitting walls or trains have to do with
some kid emceeing (RAPPING) or another kid spinning on his back. In it's most literal
sense, Nothing. They all acheive different results using different methods. Now having
said that, I believe there is a union between the three. Notice I don't use the word HIP
HOP, although I agree with the term, what I'm gonna hit you off wit occurred before the
term was invented. All these things came from the ghetto. Writing, emceeing, rocking
(BREAKIN) have their roots in the early seventies. writing we all the early history on
that so i wont even bother, with the coming of that funk music like James Brown and shit
like Just Begun that new sound got kids open and they started UPROCK and then eventually
it lead to what the media calls BREAKIN. Kids would just be hangin in street corners
just dancin. DJing/MCing was pretty musch the same the mad funk was getting them into
all of it. There was a lot of instrumental music, so heads just started singing over
that shit and makin it RHYME. That's one of the earlier names for it. Apart from the
fact that all of this was happening in the ghettos of NYC the three things were getting
intertwined.They all started seperately, but because of the same reasons. people trying
to find some thing to do. I remember the Break contest, the music had to come from
somewhere so either they made a dope tape or two for the breakers or they got a park and
went in wit turntables, emcees and all. Allot of times the home crew would have the
local writers represent with some pieces so shit could be on point. When they went down
and broke , it'd give more confidence to the home crew to see they're name up as they
battled. All of this I mention is before 1980. This happenened allot, I know I was
there. Heads that weren't there cant really speak on it.I grew up in the Washington
heights section of The Money Makin Manhattan 140 st and BROADWAY and this shit went on
all the time. I remember going to battle heads in the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens and it
was mostly the same. We had some massive JAMS back then. Sure not every writer in the
city back then was into the same scene some were strictly writers and didn't mess wit
any of the other stuff. But I can tell you this, the MAJORITY were involved Wit the
whole scene. That is that they chilled wit some breakers and emcees. And some crews even
consisted of heads that had some or one person that did one of the three things. It was
Part of our Identity. Life in the city was rough, Through all of this we created
something to identify us from the mainstream. I know some Heads are gonna disagree. But
FUCK IT. So long as I know the real, ITS ALL GOOD. PEACE and RESPECT to heads of all
opinions.
SPADE 127 FBA FC TC5, UPPER WESTSIDE ROCKERS, THE MANHATTAN BOYZ 77'- 79'
I couldn't help myself, I just felt i hadda break that shit down.............
"Always dis the man, FUCK COPS" Ancient FBA proverb 69:69 (BOOK OF FBA)
P.S. Shit next time I'll just write a book.
dan
>I partially agree with your statement.
And to add to Spade's words .. I myelf would never have found graf if it
had not been for the hip hop explosion in the UK back in 1984. Graf came
as part of a package that included all the elements that Spade spoke of.
It's different today of course ... and that is partly why there are so
few new writers coming into the scene.
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and just as alot of graff styles have changed, so have motivations
> and reasonings for writing.
>
that's very true, for me anyway and I think a lot of writers in my country
who are going 10, 11, 12 years on are not so much on a fame quest anymore,
they've grown older and some of them have jobs, the motivations come from
seeking adventure and being undercover, not to be known or be noticed as a
graffiti writer.
As far as music goes I've met writers who rock to house and garage which
only a few years ago would have been unheard of. One of my favourite
writers listens to pure Oasis tunes....
SERCH
I used to think graffitti and hip hop were peanut butter and jelly.
But recently I met some skater from L.A. who writes; and he only
listens to punk. So really graff can be for anyone.
Peace out- SERCH
Sapo
In article <01bc1137$89b5d580$9843...@springboard.cadvision.com>, "BeAsT"
<mel...@cadvision.com> wrote:
> I'd like to hear what graff headz feel is the connection between hip-hop
> and graffiti.
hey beast... you from Denver?
Sapo
Luke1
BeAsT wrote:
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> I'd like to hear what graff headz feel is the connection between hip-hop
> and graffiti.
What connection?
Luke
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SPADE 127
TRUE, that's absolutely right. Today it's whatever the individual writer is. They come
from all backgrounds, and countries. I got mad peeps that are in to all kinds of rock
and other types of shit. So, it's all good. PEACE and RESPECT!!
SPADE
David Murray
oh, by the way. Do not send emails to Dave Murray. I have hijacked his
machine!thanx
David Murray
They suck thats why they broke up.
FLyMaMi NY
>>Oasis tunes....>>
Oasis rocks!!
d...@che.b
In article <19970214004...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, flym...@aol.com (FLyMaMi NY) says:
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>>>Oasis tunes....>>
>
> Oasis rocks!!
blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Tyler or Jon
FLyMaMi NY wrote:
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> >>Oasis tunes....>>
>
> Oasis rocks!!
Oasis does photo shoots for magazines, in public bathrooms.
FLyMaMi NY
I like that joint by oasis ,its like u gotta be the on to save me...
FLyMaMi NY
Just put on some salsa,Merenge for me anyday then rap... on the real =)
Atheist
Lowbiker
oasis is bunk...put on some kooky sound effects and a breakbeat so i can
scrrrratch the " Beeep, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhwhwhwhw thiiiis stuffffff is
realllllllllly freshhh..." and i could entertain myself for hours.
Especially busting flares on some cat hissing shit, yeah! Disc jockying
rocks da spot!
Iglowramus.
Lowtone AMPE ONE Minneapolis..... . . .. .. . . . ...... .. . .
"A Planet aint a planet if it dont have war/a battle aint a battle if you dont catch scars/ A mind that aint inquisitive really dont got shit to live for/ If you cant explore/ the realms of art" -Gift Of Gab
"Another year bring simply more frustrations/ Why do we always stress over petty relations/ Facing consequences of karma, my mind repents/ And now Im wondering where all the good times done went..." -Me
out.
dan
>They suck thats why they broke up.
Er, no the haven't. Oasis are still going strong .. it's just their
prospective marriages are in a state of flux.
CON1NYC
check it like this....I grew up in a house where only R&B and Merengue got
played....but...when I was 11...we were running around doing our own shit.
Now I work in the Rap-Music industry. Hip Hop IS rap...it IS Graf,
B-Boying, DJing.. Profiling in front of the tunnel for two hours rocking
some fresh painted wallabees, a Fat Cuban Link and an Avirex for two hours
in the cold...just to find out your on your way back to the bridge because
the show was wack...its this whole fucking cipher. the way I bomb, the way
I sweat over a MPC-3000 for 2 hours in the studio just to find out the
sample I was using is flawed....everything....thats why I could ever leave
NYC. Its a Vibe you get....boom.
CON ONE
4th Desciple
was.bva, gp. wu, PLO
Tyler or Jon
Thats why you could never leave NYC? Whats it really got to do with NYC
anymore. Other than the same pride you take, as well as most of us in
our cities, or countries for that matter.
Anyways, thats good, because where I'm from an SP-1200 still reigns
supreme.
obione
asg
dan
>Now I work in the Rap-Music industry. Hip Hop IS rap...it IS Graf,
Not a dis, but something to think about.
If graf is part of hiphop, then all rappers should be into graf .. as
should all breakers and anyone else connected with hiphop. Should it
work both ways?
Tyler or Jon
dan wrote:
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> >Now I work in the Rap-Music industry. Hip Hop IS rap...it IS Graf,
>
> Not a dis, but something to think about.
>
> If graf is part of hiphop, then all rappers should be into graf .. as
> should all breakers and anyone else connected with hiphop. Should it
> work both ways?
I've always been into hip-hop, not that it got me into graffiti, (moreso
the people I was around). But I sure would hate to have an mc belittle
me for not knowing how to rhyme. Everyone I know is pretty much into one
thing or the other DJing/writing/breaking/mcing. But we can all respect
each others skills and motives, (hopefully). To be good at any one of
these things you really have to go whole-heartedly at just one,
(exeptions of couse). Nobody can really deny graffitis roots. And it
being a part of hip-hop. And the issue of it not being represented
enough by as many people, well, its also the only illeagal part of
hip-hop.
Man, now I'm on a bit of a different issue, what about graffiti being
the stepchild of hip-hop. Its almost like we just make the backgrounds
for "hip-hoppers" to profile in. How many kids that are into hip-hop
culture *really* look at graffiti, and actually respect it. Definitly
not enough people . I keep getting this image of a bunch of kids walking
down the street wearing bombers, Timberlands and wu-wear sweatshirts. On
thier way to a hip-hop club or party. And walking right past beautiful
pieces without even paying them any mind.
Maybe graffiti *is* only for other writers.
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Watchin' t.v. so bored
while inbusiles hold the mike cord
graffiti playgrouds, are played, yo how that sound?
army fatigue is weak, its for the minor league.
no rappin' cyphers, and brothers in the rented benz
cruise on stage actin' hard with a thousand friends.
kool kieth.
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obione
ASG
shit is, "rah-rah".
Tyler or Jon
kool kieth.
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obione
ASG
shit is "rah-rah".
CON1NYC
Well...iys like this....HIP HOP is a young urban culture....driven by
talent of people who have suffered compared to our Sub-Urban counterparts.
Not everyone can rhyme, not everyone is a writer, not everyone can act,
produce, sing...blah blah blah. BUT...if you contribute to our culture,
you should have respect for all aspects.
CONSones
GP,WU.... PLO--- 160
CON1NYC
We have four 1210's.....But anyway....what I am saying is, I have been to
alot of places throughout the world...I just got back from Hong Kong a few
days ago. Each place has their own ghetto,,,their own projects,,,and their
own flav. I just never get the same vibe that I get in NYC. It's not so
much NYC ...its the all the different projects Ive lived in or politiced
in.
CONONE aka Fouth Desciple.
GP..WU..PLO..WAS
CON1NYC
well....do you measure the rhymes of an MC the way another MC does??... Or
do you sit and try to pick apart the samples and beats of a song the way
producers do to each other. Everyones got their own shit.
C O
N 1
Tyler or Jon
CON1NYC wrote:
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> We have four 1210's....
I said an "sp" 1200, I'm not talkin' turntables. sp 1200 are actually
rocked by some of NY's finest, from what I know Premier swears by it,
as well as many others. You can't buy them anymore, they don't make
them.
.But anyway....what I am saying is, I have been to
> alot of places throughout the world...I just got back from Hong Kong a few
> days ago. Each place has their own ghetto,,,their own projects,,,and their
> own flav. I just never get the same vibe that I get in NYC. It's not so
> much NYC ...its the all the different projects Ive lived in or politiced
> in.
Its your home, I'm sure that has alot to do with it.
obione
asg
Tyler or Jon
Yes *I* do, and I wish I didn't. I'm way to picky now, I hardly like
anybody's shit. Now I only like bits and pieces of certain rhymes, beats
,etc. I might only like one verse from a song. Or one aspect of a beat.
I definely know good shit over some fake rah-rah.
obione asg
CON1NYC
the 1210 thing was a joke. But the sp 1200 is ok....we have an old one in
the studio....but i dont rely ONLY on a machine to help me sell shit.
Fourth Desciple
GP.WU....
CoMiKfReAk
>I used to think graffitti and hip hop were peanut butter and jelly.
>But recently I met some skater from L.A. who writes; and he only
>listens to punk. So really graff can be for anyone.
> Peace out- SERCH
I'll save my "connection between punk and hip-hop" thesis for later.
-tReeSkee
tRE...@sfbayguardian.com