POOR, poor Rudey!
Freedom Fighter
NY Daily News - Original Publication Date: 6/13/01
by Michael Daly
At least nobody can say that Judi, or rather Judith, is after Rudy for
his money.
As his lawyer, Raoul Felder, tells it, our mayor has only $7,000 in
ready cash.
"If he wanted to buy a car, he can't buy a car," Felder said
yesterday.
Felder apparently meant a car such as the black Lincoln Navigator that
ferries the divorce lawyer to the courthouse. The mayor can, in truth,
get a perfectly good automobile for considerably less.
One example that comes immediately to mind is the 1989 Saab that yours
truly bought used for the relatively modest sum of $1,500. This
vehicle proved itself every bit the equal of the mayor's city-issued
vehicle back in 1998, after he announced a crackdown on speeding.
The obvious question was how fast our mayor himself traveled around
town. The obvious way to check was simply to follow him, which yours
truly did as he journeyed from City Hall to Staten Island.
The trusty Saab had no trouble staying directly behind the mayor even
as his GMC Suburban went as much as 22 mph above the 50 mph speed
limit. His vehicle did slow to only 10 mph over the limit as it passed
a loaded school bus on the right in the Battery Tunnel.
Yours truly reported the results, which our mayor denounced as lies
with a vehemence that was unusual even for him, at one point raging
for 11 straight minutes before saying, "I need a rest." He then said,
"Just one other thing. ..."
By happy chance, yours truly used an E-ZPass, as did the mayor. These
recorded that the Saab was directly behind the Suburban at the tolls
along the way, incontrovertible proof that a used car can indeed
transport the mayor at the speed to which he is accustomed.
Any doubts about the accuracy of the Saab's speedometer all but
vanished 10 months later, when a TV news crew clocked the mayoral
Suburban going 75 mph in a 50 mph zone. Giuliani this time responded
in a single breath.
"Report that to the Police Department, and we'll have it adjudicated
in court. Thank you."
That speeding question never did go before a judge. One matter that
has is Anonymous vs. Anonymous, the least anonymous divorce case in
memory.
As with any such case, the parties were required to submit statements
detailing their net worth. Donna Hanover produced hers back on Jan.
30. Giuliani failed to do so for month after month, his lawyer Felder
all the while accusing Hanover of stalling the divorce proceedings.
On June 8, Giuliani finally submitted his net worth statement. The
document reportedly does not include his $3 million two-book deal in
which he has pledged to write of "personal experiences." The document
does apparently acknowledge some $500,000 in pension funds, as well as
some $750,000 in assets held jointly with his wife.
Checks and Balances
Outside court yesterday, the only number that Felder chose to cite was
the balance of Giuliani's new checking account.
"Our mayor has approximately $7,000," Felder said. "His net worth
other than his pension funds is $7,000."
Felder contended that everything else was in Hanover's name.
"Because he trusted his wife," Felder said.
Felder was once again seeking to portray his client as the trusting
one. Giuliani has at the same time depicted Nathan as the loyal
stalwart who stood by him in his time of need. The suggestion is that
Hanover is somehow the cold-hearted betrayer who clings to the life of
privilege accorded by her husband, our mayor.
"Mrs. Hanover has to get on with her life at some point," Felder said.
Felder did not seem troubled that he had just lost a motion to have
Justice Judith Gische recuse herself. His maneuverings had also
managed to anger her, and not for the first time.
The way Anonymous vs. Anonymous is going, Giuliani may very well get a
painful lesson in the truth of an old adage often heard among divorced
cops who are left hard pressed to buy even a used car.
"It's cheaper to keep her."
However he fares, the mayor will always be welcome to borrow a Saab
that can zoom him around town at the speed of one to whom limits do
not apply.
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So this tyrannical, lying hypocrite needs money? I can't wait to see
him as a squeegee man. I might even give him a quarter if he does a
good job!
phil
>his money.
>
>As his lawyer, Raoul Felder, tells it, our mayor has only $7,000 in
>ready cash.
This kind of disproves the belief that he abandonned his family. He's been
supporting them while his wife's been socking it away.
Phil
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Mike
Freedom Fighter wrote:
>
> Mayor's Finances - A Real Saab Story
> NY Daily News - Original Publication Date: 6/13/01
> by Michael Daly
>
> At least nobody can say that Judi, or rather Judith, is after Rudy for
> his money.
>
> As his lawyer, Raoul Felder, tells it, our mayor has only $7,000 in
> ready cash.
>
> "If he wanted to buy a car, he can't buy a car," Felder said
> yesterday.
How then does Ghoulie afford one of the most expensive lawyers in town?
Raoul "The Fixer" Felder charges FIVE HUNDRED an hour with
a FIVE THOUSAND dollar retainer.
NOW...is Raoul doing "pro bono" work for the good of the underpriviledged?
OR...is Rudy getting the kind of Freebie that is UNLAWFUL?????
A beat cop can't get a free cup of coffee but Ghoulie and Safir The Lightweight
have benefitted from TENS OF THOUSANDS of BILLABLE DOLLARS from
Raoul on the house.
H - Y - P - O- C - R - I - T - E!!!!
--
"Don't use the instrument to play music,
but use the music to play the instrument."
Mike
phil wrote:
>
> >At least nobody can say that Judi, or rather Judith, is after Rudy for
> >his money.
> >
> >As his lawyer, Raoul Felder, tells it, our mayor has only $7,000 in
> >ready cash.
>
> This kind of disproves the belief that he abandonned his family. He's been
> supporting them while his wife's been socking it away.
And those pricey hotel bills??????????
Cyrus Afzali
wrote:
>>At least nobody can say that Judi, or rather Judith, is after Rudy for
>>his money.
>>
>>As his lawyer, Raoul Felder, tells it, our mayor has only $7,000 in
>>ready cash.
>
>
>This kind of disproves the belief that he abandonned his family. He's been
>supporting them while his wife's been socking it away.
>
No, that's not true. Donna Hanover has consistently earned more than
Rudy. IIRC, she earned $245,000 last year, substantially more than the
mayor's annual salary.
Of course, one can argue that he essentially abandoned his family when
he started screwing around with someone else before he was divorced.
Rudy just proved himself to be a huge idiot. This whole thing has
literally **destroyed** his political career. The Republican party
won't touch him with a 10-mile pole now.
Unless he can secure a welcome from another party, stick a fork in
him... he's done.
phil
>No, that's not true. Donna Hanover has consistently earned more than
>Rudy. IIRC, she earned $245,000 last year, substantially more than the
>mayor's annual salary.
And it's been his income that pays the bills.
>Of course, one can argue that he essentially abandoned his family when
>he started screwing around with someone else before he was divorced.
>Rudy just proved himself to be a huge idiot.
Would you rather he stay in a loveless marriage? Would that be honest?
Since sex hasn't been an issue in quite some time, it would appear that
Giuliani was looking for companionship. Apparently, he wasn't getting that
from Donna.
>This whole thing has
>literally **destroyed** his political career. The Republican party
>won't touch him with a 10-mile pole now.
Politicians (both D&R) have survived worse. He'll be fine.
Sherman Potter
news:9g8oo9$kma$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> Mayor's Finances - A Real Saab Story
What would you say if the mayor published your checkbook's balance line?
Freedom Fighter
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I'd say that I would gladly exchange the balance in my checking
account for his.
The misleading information, if not outright lie, about the Ghoul's
finances was voluntarily released to the press.
Unlike this malevolent hypocrite, I must pay for rent. And if I were
to speed, I would have to pay a fine and could lose my license. And if
I commited a misdemeanor in public, I would be arrested and put
through the system - punishment before being found guilty - as this
tyrannical law and odor hypocrite has dictated. But despite HIS
misdemeanors, such as adultery and speeding, he lives in a mansion and
has personal bodyguards at taxpayer expense - as does his mistress!
phil
What has she been doing with her money? I thought we were talking about
that.
phil
Depending on why he was there, I would imagine the city paid for it. I'm
sure Donna didn't.
Mike
phil wrote:
>
> >No, that's not true. Donna Hanover has consistently earned more than
> >Rudy. IIRC, she earned $245,000 last year, substantially more than the
> >mayor's annual salary.
>
> And it's been his income that pays the bills.
The Mayoral Family pays no rent at Gracie, and Ghoulie owns two
co-op which is he is currently subletting....perhaps illegally.
> >Of course, one can argue that he essentially abandoned his family when
> >he started screwing around with someone else before he was divorced.
> >Rudy just proved himself to be a huge idiot.
>
> Would you rather he stay in a loveless marriage? Would that be honest?
> Since sex hasn't been an issue in quite some time, it would appear that
> Giuliani was looking for companionship. Apparently, he wasn't getting that
> from Donna.
And his CHILDREN aren't getting jack shit from him as he cavorts across the
city with his Mistress.
Mike
Ghoulie ran for public office, he has to open his books.
Brilliant, Pottsy, just brilliant.
Mike
phil wrote:
>
> >And those pricey hotel bills??????????
>
> Depending on why he was there, I would imagine the city paid for it. I'm
> sure Donna didn't.
Of course not you idiot!!!!!
Ghoulie was there with his homewrecking mistress.
He was violating both the laws of God and Man.
Mike
phil wrote:
>
> >Like his free housing and transportation, including speeding.
>
> What has she been doing with her money? I thought we were talking about
> that.
She has been a model of financial conservation, unlike her free spending
adulterous husband.
Mike
cyp...@punk.net wrote:
>
> In nyc.politics phil <dogg...@pipeline.com> wrote:
> # >And those pricey hotel bills??????????
> #
> #
> # Depending on why he was there, I would imagine the city paid for it. I'm
> # sure Donna didn't.
>
> Rudy will be out begging for money in front of City Hall soon.
>
> ...and the police will tell him to move on...
And after he bad-mouths them, they give him a "tune-up"!
Cyrus Afzali
wrote:
>
>
>>No, that's not true. Donna Hanover has consistently earned more than
>>Rudy. IIRC, she earned $245,000 last year, substantially more than the
>>mayor's annual salary.
>
>And it's been his income that pays the bills.
Don't know what that means. How do you know what bills he has? They
have no housing or transportation costs whatsoever. Healthcare is
provided. So unless he's racked up a huge debt, his salary should be
substantial.
My only point in posting was people tend to think Donna H. will be
nowhere without Rudy. If anything, he's going to need a second job to
keep up with all the women he's chasing.
>
>
>>Of course, one can argue that he essentially abandoned his family when
>>he started screwing around with someone else before he was divorced.
>>Rudy just proved himself to be a huge idiot.
>
>Would you rather he stay in a loveless marriage? Would that be honest?
>Since sex hasn't been an issue in quite some time, it would appear that
>Giuliani was looking for companionship. Apparently, he wasn't getting that
>from Donna.
I could care less what he does with his personal life and am sick of
hearing about it. My point was from a political standpoint. When you
do something like that as a Republican, it's political suicide. He
should learn how to maintain a marriage if that's his party of choice.
Of course, it's no surprise that he couldn't stay married. If he's as
dictatorial in his personal relationships as he is on his day job,
he'll be lucky to find anyone that will hang around him without pay.
The man's not a prize.
>
>>This whole thing has
>>literally **destroyed** his political career. The Republican party
>>won't touch him with a 10-mile pole now.
>
>Politicians (both D&R) have survived worse. He'll be fine.
We'll see. All I know is the Republicans dropped him from any sort of
decent spot during the last convention after the bait and switch he
pulled in the Senate race. Now, his decision to get out was definitely
understandable. But he's not really loved by Republicans. He's seen as
much too liberal.
Mike
Cyrus Afzali wrote:
> >>This whole thing has
> >>literally **destroyed** his political career. The Republican party
> >>won't touch him with a 10-mile pole now.
> >
> >Politicians (both D&R) have survived worse. He'll be fine.
>
> We'll see. All I know is the Republicans dropped him from any sort of
> decent spot during the last convention after the bait and switch he
> pulled in the Senate race. Now, his decision to get out was definitely
> understandable. But he's not really loved by Republicans. He's seen as
> much too liberal.
He is a loose cannon who takes orders from NOBODY.
The last thing the Repugnicants need.....ANOTHER "Free Thinker"!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
Cyrus Afzali
>
>
>Sherman Potter wrote:
>>
>> "Freedom Fighter" <lib...@once.net> wrote in message
>> news:9g8oo9$kma$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
>> > Mayor's Finances - A Real Saab Story
>>
>> What would you say if the mayor published your checkbook's balance line?
>
>Ghoulie ran for public office, he has to open his books.
>
>Brilliant, Pottsy, just brilliant.
Actually, he doesn't. Running for public office doesn't automatically
make things like personal tax returns public record. Candidates have
just as much right to withhold that information as Joe Public. This
day and age they haven't a shot in hell at winning or getting
re-elected if they don't, but it's not required.
Only a candidate's campaign finances are entirely public record.
Personal are not.
phil
>She has been a model of financial conservation, unlike her free spending
>adulterous husband.
It's amazing how youcan put a spin on everything, Mike. Her free-spending
husband has been paying all the family's bills with his salary. She hasn't,
but I'm sure it'll create a lot of noise when 'her money' is divided up
during the divorce.
Mike
Thanks for the 411. I thought it was mandatory.
Mike
phil wrote:
>
> >She has been a model of financial conservation, unlike her free spending
> >adulterous husband.
>
> It's amazing how youcan put a spin on everything, Mike. Her free-spending
> husband has been paying all the family's bills with his salary. She hasn't,
How do you know this for a FACT? Have you seen the cancelled checks?
> but I'm sure it'll create a lot of noise when 'her money' is divided up
> during the divorce.
Bills like?????
Rent....FREE.
Cars.....FREE
Insurance....FREE
Phil
> He was violating both the laws of God and Man.
For someone who doesn't like the church, you sure know how to bring up
violations of the laws od God. But since he is physically unable to
have sex, then you can't say he's committing adultery.
Phil
Sherman Potter
news:3B2947AB...@erols.com...
>
>
> Sherman Potter wrote:
> >
> > "Freedom Fighter" <lib...@once.net> wrote in message
> > news:9g8oo9$kma$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > > Mayor's Finances - A Real Saab Story
> >
> > What would you say if the mayor published your checkbook's balance line?
>
> Ghoulie ran for public office, he has to open his books.
>
> Brilliant, Pottsy, just brilliant.
When are you running for public office? When will you give yourself the
chance to prove you can do a better job?
Phil
I read it in the Daily News. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
> Bills like?????
>
> Rent....FREE.
> Cars.....FREE
> Insurance....FREE
Education....$$$
Clothing....$$$
Entertainment....$$$
And other miscellaneous....$$$
That one was too easy, Mike.
Mike
Phil wrote:
>
> > Ghoulie was there with his homewrecking mistress.
> > He was violating both the laws of God and Man.
>
> For someone who doesn't like the church, you sure know how to bring up
> violations of the laws od God. But since he is physically unable to
> have sex, then you can't say he's committing adultery.
How do you know that for a FACT?
Just because he says so?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA
phil
>all his money on clothes and entertainment etc.
Well, what have you 'heard?'
phil
>How do you know that for a FACT?
>
>Just because he says so?
How do you know he's lying? The Giuliani bashers love saying how he's an
adulterer, but no one's offered one shred of proof to it. Instead, it's
easier for you to say, "Everything he says is a lie."
phil
>co-op which is he is currently subletting....perhaps illegally.
The family still has expenses, which the mayor's been paying. Do you have
anything to base his subletting practices on, or are you just planting
seeds?
>And his CHILDREN aren't getting jack shit from him as he cavorts across the
>city with his Mistress.
You make it sound as if the kids are seeing dad fuck the mistress in front
of them. And you know that's not happening; you've read the papers and
heard all the jokes.
Alex Rodriguez
>As his lawyer, Raoul Felder, tells it, our mayor has only $7,000 in
>ready cash.
sounds like pure BS. The mayor collects a decent salary. He does not
pay for housing, food, and transportation. If he doesn't have more than
$7k it is because he doesn't know how to manage his money. Also, there
are lots of people who get by with less.
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>
>
>
>>No, that's not true. Donna Hanover has consistently earned more than
>>Rudy. IIRC, she earned $245,000 last year, substantially more than the
>>mayor's annual salary.
>
>And it's been his income that pays the bills.
What bills? He gets free housing, food and transportation.
Phil
Well, there's clothing, schooling for the kids, vacation and other
entertainment. And there's also taxes on his salary.
phil
>What bills? He gets free housing, food and transportation.
He probably loses half to taxes. Then there's education for his kids,
clothing, vacation, gifts, etc. etc. etc..
It adds up.
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phil wrote:
>
> >What bills? He gets free housing, food and transportation.
>
> He probably loses half to taxes. Then there's education for his kids,
> clothing, vacation, gifts, etc. etc. etc..
>
> It adds up.
You must using the KKKonservative Fuzzy Math.
Tax rates max out at 38% no matter how loud a RepubliKKKan squeals.
Alex Rodriguez
says...
>
>
>
>>What bills? He gets free housing, food and transportation.
>
>He probably loses half to taxes. Then there's education for his kids,
>clothing, vacation, gifts, etc. etc. etc..
>
>It adds up.
I'm sure it does. But if he is having money problems on his salary,
then he is living beyond his means. It's his choice.
nyc
Alex Rodriguez wrote:
>
> In article <9h11h9$jpc$2...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>, dogg...@pipeline.com
> says...
> >
> >
> >
> >>What bills? He gets free housing, food and transportation.
> >
> >He probably loses half to taxes. Then there's education for his kids,
> >clothing, vacation, gifts, etc. etc. etc..
> >
> >It adds up.
>
> I'm sure it does. But if he is having money problems on his salary,
> then he is living beyond his means. It's his choice.
Perhaps he should use one of the city's Hot Sheet hotels instead of the
four star variety.
ACTUALLY he should be at home helping his kids with thier homework
and setting A GOOD MORAL standard for them.
Alex Rodriguez
>ACTUALLY he should be at home helping his kids with thier homework
>and setting A GOOD MORAL standard for them.
That's the way it should be, but then eh doesn't always do what he says.
Phil
> >and setting A GOOD MORAL standard for them.
>
> That's the way it should be, but then eh doesn't always do what he says.
So should Donna. What's she doing? I don't recall hearing how she
stood by Giuliani and giving him support when he was diagnosed with
cancer.
nyc
Phil wrote:
>
> > >ACTUALLY he should be at home helping his kids with thier homework
> > >and setting A GOOD MORAL standard for them.
> >
> > That's the way it should be, but then eh doesn't always do what he says.
>
> So should Donna. What's she doing? I don't recall hearing how she
> stood by Giuliani and giving him support when he was diagnosed with
> cancer.
Allegedly, he was involved with "someone else" at the time.
phil
>I'm sure it does. But if he is having money problems on his salary,
>then he is living beyond his means. It's his choice.
Living beyond his means? He's paying all his bills, which is more than
Donna can say. And he more money in the bank than most people.
phil
>> So should Donna. What's she doing? I don't recall hearing how she
>> stood by Giuliani and giving him support when he was diagnosed with
>> cancer.
>
>Allegedly, he was involved with "someone else" at the time.
You didn't say what she was doing. Has anyone noticed that no one's said
anything about what she's been doing all this time?
If Donna wanted to reconcile, she could've used this opportiunity to atleast
try. I recall reading in the paper that Giuliani had only Judy to turn to
during his health crisis.
nyc
phil wrote:
>
> >I'm sure it does. But if he is having money problems on his salary,
> >then he is living beyond his means. It's his choice.
>
> Living beyond his means? He's paying all his bills, which is more than
> Donna can say. And he more money in the bank than most people.
He most certainly is NOT "paying his bills" as Felder charges $600/hr.
Do you have copies of his cancelled checks, or do have the powers
of Karnac the Great?
nyc
phil wrote:
>
> >> So should Donna. What's she doing? I don't recall hearing how she
> >> stood by Giuliani and giving him support when he was diagnosed with
> >> cancer.
> >
> >Allegedly, he was involved with "someone else" at the time.
>
> You didn't say what she was doing. Has anyone noticed that no one's said
> anything about what she's been doing all this time?
>
> If Donna wanted to reconcile, she could've used this opportiunity to atleast
> try. I recall reading in the paper that Giuliani had only Judy to turn to
> during his health crisis.
Oh, is that why Ghoulie announced that he was dumping his wife
at a news conference?
Alex Rodriguez
dogg...@yahoo.com says...
>
>> >ACTUALLY he should be at home helping his kids with thier homework
>> >and setting A GOOD MORAL standard for them.
>>
>> That's the way it should be, but then eh doesn't always do what he says.
>
>
>So should Donna. What's she doing? I don't recall hearing how she
>stood by Giuliani and giving him support when he was diagnosed with
>cancer.
She probably saw this whole fiasco coming and did the right thing and
kept quiet. Unlike the mayor who has used his lawyer to call her all sorts
of nasty names. Everytime he does that, it just makes him look stupid.
Since all he hires are yes men/women, no one has told him just how bad he
comes off when something bad is printed about his wife.
Phil
> at a news conference?
I don't recall hearing ANYTHING about Donna trying to reconcile.
Nothing! Did you? If she wanted to save the marriage, you wouldn't
know it.
Phil
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nyc
H - E - L - L - O!!!!!!!!!!
You didn't HEAR anything about thier relationship crumbling because
she was being DESCREET and keeping her personal problems PRIVATE.
Two things Der Ghoul knows nothing about.
Donna has taken the high road here by keeping quiet, and NOT have
press conferences and having a pitbull mouthpiece slander her in the press.
Phil
> she was being DESCREET and keeping her personal problems PRIVATE.
I didn't hear anything about her trying to save the marriage. If she
had, people on this newsgroup would be praising her so much, she'd be
canonized.
Some people just can't get over the fact that it's a divorce, plain
and simple. It happens every single day. The majority of the people
here use this one to feed their anger toward Giuliani.
Get over it.
Alex Rodriguez
>> at a news conference?
>I don't recall hearing ANYTHING about Donna trying to reconcile.
After being dumped at a news conference, what did you expect her to do?
She is not stupid, unlike her husband.
>Nothing! Did you? If she wanted to save the marriage, you wouldn't
>know it.
She was smart enough to realize Rudy is not worth the effort.
nyc
Phil wrote:
>
> > You didn't HEAR anything about thier relationship crumbling because
> > she was being DESCREET and keeping her personal problems PRIVATE.
>
> I didn't hear anything about her trying to save the marriage.
You didn't hear anything about her RUINING it!
Phil
>
> You didn't hear anything about her RUINING it!
So then what actually caused the end of their marriage. Couldn't it
just be marital breakdown? It wasn't Judy; she showed up afterwards.
Phil
>
> You didn't hear anything about her RUINING it!
I didn't hear anything (from reliable sources) about anyone ruining
it. I'll accept the fact that announcing the break up at a news
conference wasn't the most tactful thing to do, but that doesn't mean
he wasn't responsible for the breakup in the first place.
Phil
>
> Do you have copies of his cancelled checks, or do have the powers
> of Karnac the Great?
No, but you must have such powers, the way you can see what you're
typing with your head so far up your ass.
Perhaps Felder is getting a percentage from Giuliani's book advance.
Is that possible? I know that this solution doesn't villanize the
Mayor as you would like it to, but it seems very possible, doesn't it?
I'm surprised no one's blaming him for the hot weather we're having.
Alex Rodriguez
>>
>> You didn't hear anything about her RUINING it!
>
>So then what actually caused the end of their marriage. Couldn't it
>just be marital breakdown? It wasn't Judy; she showed up afterwards.
Judy could have been around and been part of the problem. It was only
after the mayor told his wife via a news conference that he wanted a
divorce that he acknowledged Judy as his "good friend".
Obwon
He convieniently forgets that he alienated her long ago, even before
he found his "very good friend". So, if she was already angry at
Ghouli for his bad behaviour (Ms. Letagano comes to mind) I cannot see
why she'd be very concerned with his medical problems that come later.
Obwon
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"Sure there have been injuries and deaths in boxing
- but none of them serious"
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Obwon
wrote:
If I recall correctly, Donna was trying to reconcile for quite a
number of years. There is some signs of marital trouble dating back
quite a few years when Donna decided to not use the Ghouliani name!
Of course, it was discrete back then, it hadn't yet erupted into full
public view like it has now. But I do believe that this embroglio has
it's roots in the past.
Obwon
>> > I didn't hear anything about her trying to save the marriage.
>>
>> You didn't hear anything about her RUINING it!
>
>So then what actually caused the end of their marriage. Couldn't it
>just be marital breakdown? It wasn't Judy; she showed up afterwards.
>
>
>Phil
You mean after Donna stopped using the Ghouliani name? Or after
the rumors of him with the Oriental aide? Or after the rumored Ms.
Letagano affair? She hasn't yet told us what made her angry enough to
stop using Ghoulie's name. Although she claims that right up until
Ghoulie announced on t.v. that he wanted to dump his wife, she still
harbored hopes of a reconcilliation.
Hmmmm.... what am I missing?
Obwon
>> He most certainly is NOT "paying his bills" as Felder charges $600/hr.
>>
>> Do you have copies of his cancelled checks, or do have the powers
>> of Karnac the Great?
>
>No, but you must have such powers, the way you can see what you're
>typing with your head so far up your ass.
>
>Perhaps Felder is getting a percentage from Giuliani's book advance.
>Is that possible? I know that this solution doesn't villanize the
>Mayor as you would like it to, but it seems very possible, doesn't it?
>
>I'm surprised no one's blaming him for the hot weather we're having.
>
>
>
Ghouliani is to blame for this hot weather we're having!!!
Ghouliani's "Book Deals"! Of course, you remember only when it was
a one book deal for 3,000,000 dollars! Well, now it's a three book
deal for the same money!
Since most book deals are structured to yield a small upfront
payment with the rest dependant upon the books market performance, I
hardly think that Felder would tie his hopes to such a wil-o-the-wisp!
phil
>Although she claims that right up until
>Ghoulie announced on t.v. that he wanted to dump his wife, she still
>harbored hopes of a reconcilliation.
She claims something and it's accepted as truth. He claims something and
it's a Goddamn lie.
Hmmm....
phil
> He convieniently forgets that he alienated her long ago, even before
>he found his "very good friend". So, if she was already angry at
>Ghouli for his bad behaviour (Ms. Letagano comes to mind) I cannot see
>why she'd be very concerned with his medical problems that come later.
Then why stick around? Why didn't she divorce him at this point? I guess
some things can be put on the back burner when you're the mayor's wife.
nyc
phil wrote:
>
> >Although she claims that right up until
> >Ghoulie announced on t.v. that he wanted to dump his wife, she still
> >harbored hopes of a reconcilliation.
>
> She claims something and it's accepted as truth. He claims something and
> it's a Goddamn lie.
But then there's that pesky News Conference........
She did what a good partner SHOULD do. Keep it private......"in-house".
When Ghoulie popped his comb-over at the News Conference (tm) and
embarassed his wife (and himself) to the news corps, he let the Genie
out of the bottle, and proved himself to be, yet again, untrustworthy.
nyc
phil wrote:
>
> > He convieniently forgets that he alienated her long ago, even before
> >he found his "very good friend". So, if she was already angry at
> >Ghouli for his bad behaviour (Ms. Letagano comes to mind) I cannot see
> >why she'd be very concerned with his medical problems that come later.
>
> Then why stick around? Why didn't she divorce him at this point? I guess
> some things can be put on the back burner when you're the mayor's wife.
"FOR RICHER, FOR POORER,
IN SICKNESS AND IN HEALTH,
TIL DEATH DO YOU PART"
Donna was not going to lower herself to the levels of the RepubliKKKan
Poster Boy for MORALITY aka...NEWT GINGRICH and dump her spouse
while he is convalescing.
RUDY bailed on the marriage.....let him sleep on YOUR couch!!!!
BWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Alex Rodriguez
>
>
>>Although she claims that right up until
>>Ghoulie announced on t.v. that he wanted to dump his wife, she still
>>harbored hopes of a reconcilliation.
>
>She claims something and it's accepted as truth. He claims something and
>it's a Goddamn lie.
She is more credible.
phil
>She is more credible.
Really? What's her track record?
Phil
nyc
phil wrote:
>
> >She is more credible.
>
> Really? What's her track record?
Really Philly, don't be sush an ass.
She was a highly sucessful journalist long before she got
involved with KKKaptain KKKomb-Over.
Even you are not THAT clueless.....or are you?????
phil
>She was a highly sucessful journalist long before she got
>involved with KKKaptain KKKomb-Over.
That was fifteen years ago. Her journalistic experience for the past ten or
fifteen years includes fluff pieces like celebrity interviews and bungee
jumping for ratings. Now she's an actrees.
Even with her past journalistic experience, she REPORTED the news. She
wasn't the news. No one cared what she, personally, had to say, just what
was written for her.
>Even you are not THAT clueless.....or are you?????
Apparently not as much as you are.
Alex Rodriguez
says...
>
>
>
>>She is more credible.
>Really? What's her track record?
Her's is not as public as Rudy's, so if we go by Rudy's, we can say
it would be very, very difficult to be worse than Rudy.
Obwon
wrote:
>
>
>> He convieniently forgets that he alienated her long ago, even before
>>he found his "very good friend". So, if she was already angry at
>>Ghouli for his bad behaviour (Ms. Letagano comes to mind) I cannot see
>>why she'd be very concerned with his medical problems that come later.
>
>
>Then why stick around? Why didn't she divorce him at this point? I guess
>some things can be put on the back burner when you're the mayor's wife.
>
>
>Phil
>========
Why stick around????
Did we already mention that she was hoping to effect a
reconcilliation??? Do you even suspect that a reconcilliation would
be necessary unless some grevious marital breech had occured?
So then, it follows that "Why she stuck around" was because she
didn't want to break up over the transgression, but she wanted it
acknowledge and apologized for before they moved on!
So, it becomes obvious that Ghouliani allowed her to continue to
mislead herself into thinking that the marriage would later improve!
Even though he must have already decided to end it -- judging by what
he had Felder say about her.
Now, what would have motivated him (Ghouliani) to do such a
terrible thing? Could he have wanted to keep his married life quite
while he sought a higher office? Could that have been motivation
enough for him to mislead his wife about his real intentions and
feelings?
Apparently it was! He now knows for certain that Bush will not tap
him for high national or international office. He knows that his
political career is over (barring Bernard Goetz's election).
Rudy has alienated everyone bar none! He's fouled up George
Steinbrenners Stadium deal. He's lost his race for the senate. He's
alienated George Bush and the Republican party bigwigs. He's called
the entire Police Departments members Jerks. He's called the entire
Fire Departments members Jerks! He's called the entire NYC press Corp
Jerks! He's called all the citizens of the city and state Jerks!
Who would hire such a man? Knowing how the press will salivate
over his every move when he leaves office and do the Linda Tripp
thingy on him and any associate who happens to be nearby.
Well the Ghoulish One has only a few months left in office and
already he's selling "whip tickets" his hips can't cash! Again with
the diplomats tickets! Let's see how far he gets with the OPEC crowd
whom George Bush can't ignore! My guess is Bush will trash this
horrible Ghoul once and for all on this count.
phil
> So then, it follows that "Why she stuck around" was because she
>didn't want to break up over the transgression, but she wanted it
>acknowledge and apologized for before they moved on!
Excuse me while I open my window, Obwon. You're blowing so much smoke out
your ass, I'm having trouble breathing.
Are you saying she couldn't have gotten these things if she filed for
divorce years ago? Why do you you think she would get these things now?
> So, it becomes obvious that Ghouliani allowed her to continue to
>mislead herself into thinking that the marriage would later improve!
>cough<
>cough<
> Apparently it was! He now knows for certain that Bush will not tap
>him for high national or international office. He knows that his
>political career is over (barring Bernard Goetz's election).
>cough<
>cough<
> Rudy has alienated everyone bar none! He's fouled up George
>Steinbrenners Stadium deal. He's lost his race for the senate.
If I recall (and I can't remember the source), he withdrew early in the
election.
>He's
>alienated George Bush and the Republican party bigwigs. He's called
>the entire Police Departments members Jerks. He's called the entire
>Fire Departments members Jerks! He's called the entire NYC press Corp
>Jerks! He's called all the citizens of the city and state Jerks!
>cough<
>hack<
>cough<
> Who would hire such a man?
He'll be back within a year. Bet on it.
Phil
nyc
phil wrote:
>
> He'll be back within a year. Bet on it.
He will be in Bellvue a year from now.
Obwon
wrote:
>
>
>> So then, it follows that "Why she stuck around" was because she
>>didn't want to break up over the transgression, but she wanted it
>>acknowledge and apologized for before they moved on!
>
>Excuse me while I open my window, Obwon. You're blowing so much smoke out
>your ass, I'm having trouble breathing.
Of course, of course, I believe you're having trouble breathing.
When one is so very, very full - - - - - , there can be little if any
room for air. Hahaha
>
>Are you saying she couldn't have gotten these things if she filed for
>divorce years ago? Why do you you think she would get these things now?
>
No! I'm saying that she couldn't have gotten the hoped for
reconcilliation if she'd filed earlier. You don't file for to divorce
the husband you're trying to keep, in the middle of or before his run
for higher office do you?
>
>> So, it becomes obvious that Ghouliani allowed her to continue to
>>mislead herself into thinking that the marriage would later improve!
>
> >cough<
> >cough<
Yes, it is something to choke on isn't it?
>
>> Apparently it was! He now knows for certain that Bush will not tap
>>him for high national or international office. He knows that his
>>political career is over (barring Bernard Goetz's election).
>
>
> >cough<
> >cough<
More choking as expected!
>
>> Rudy has alienated everyone bar none! He's fouled up George
>>Steinbrenners Stadium deal. He's lost his race for the senate.
>
>If I recall (and I can't remember the source), he withdrew early in the
>election.
>
>>He's
>>alienated George Bush and the Republican party bigwigs. He's called
>>the entire Police Departments members Jerks. He's called the entire
>>Fire Departments members Jerks! He's called the entire NYC press Corp
>>Jerks! He's called all the citizens of the city and state Jerks!
>
> >cough<
> >hack<
> >cough<
>
Hmmmm... sounds serious, you'd better get that looked at!
>
>> Who would hire such a man?
>
>He'll be back within a year. Bet on it.
>
Within a year of what? Gabriel blowing his horn?
>Phil
nyc
Obwon wrote:
>
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:14:46 -0400, "phil" <dogg...@pipeline.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> So then, it follows that "Why she stuck around" was because she
> >>didn't want to break up over the transgression, but she wanted it
> >>acknowledge and apologized for before they moved on!
> >
> >Excuse me while I open my window, Obwon. You're blowing so much smoke out
> >your ass, I'm having trouble breathing.
>
> Of course, of course, I believe you're having trouble breathing.
> When one is so very, very full - - - - - , there can be little if any
> room for air. Hahaha
Funny how RepubliKKKans preach incessantly about "Family Values"
and "Morality", yet when one of thier own wants to bolt from a
sacred relationship, hey its OK....especially if its a GUY!
If Donna had brayed at a news conference that SHE was ditching
Kaptain Komb-Over, the RepubliKKKan Press KKKorps would
have eaten her alive. Yet Ghoulie gets a FREE PASS for ditching
his LAWFULLY wedded wife and CHILDREN!!!!
> >Are you saying she couldn't have gotten these things if she filed for
> >divorce years ago? Why do you you think she would get these things now?
> >
> No! I'm saying that she couldn't have gotten the hoped for
> reconcilliation if she'd filed earlier. You don't file for to divorce
> the husband you're trying to keep, in the middle of or before his run
> for higher office do you?
Donna was a model of TRUE "Family Values"!
She tried to keep Ghoulie as her busband, but his wanderlust could
not be controlled.
> >> So, it becomes obvious that Ghouliani allowed her to continue to
> >>mislead herself into thinking that the marriage would later improve!
> >
> > >cough<
> > >cough<
>
> Yes, it is something to choke on isn't it?
Maybe Ghoulie was hoping that she would be stricken with cancer
so he could pull a "Bedside Newt" on her!!!!!
> >> Apparently it was! He now knows for certain that Bush will not tap
> >>him for high national or international office. He knows that his
> >>political career is over (barring Bernard Goetz's election).
> >
> >
> > >cough<
> > >cough<
>
> More choking as expected!
Too bad Ghoulie cannot even "Choke the Chicken"!!!!!!
> >> Rudy has alienated everyone bar none! He's fouled up George
> >>Steinbrenners Stadium deal. He's lost his race for the senate.
> >
> >If I recall (and I can't remember the source), he withdrew early in the
> >election.
You recall WRONG. He hung around and procrastinated long enough
to make Laz The Lip's election impossible!
Phil
> Kaptain Komb-Over, the RepubliKKKan Press KKKorps would
> have eaten her alive. Yet Ghoulie gets a FREE PASS for ditching
> his LAWFULLY wedded wife and CHILDREN!!!!
And he's getting LAWFULLY DIVORCED! People do it all the time.
> Donna was a model of TRUE "Family Values"!
Yes, I read all the articles in Good Housekeeping how she sacrificed
her career to make sure she had supper ready when Giuliani came home
from work. If you want some of her recipes, I've saved them.
> Maybe Ghoulie was hoping that she would be stricken with cancer
> so he could pull a "Bedside Newt" on her!!!!!
That's tasteless, even for you.
> Too bad Ghoulie cannot even "Choke the Chicken"!!!!!!
That's two for two!
> > >If I recall (and I can't remember the source), he withdrew early in the
> > >election.
>
> You recall WRONG. He hung around and procrastinated long enough
> to make Laz The Lip's election impossible!
He withdrew early enough for Lazio. It was Lazio's last minute
negative campaign that cost him the election. It's nice to know that
you don't think that Hillary won on her own.
Phil
========
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Obwon
>> > >If I recall (and I can't remember the source), he withdrew early in the
>> > >election.
>>
>> You recall WRONG. He hung around and procrastinated long enough
>> to make Laz The Lip's election impossible!
>
>He withdrew early enough for Lazio. It was Lazio's last minute
>negative campaign that cost him the election. It's nice to know that
>you don't think that Hillary won on her own.
>
>
>
>Phil
>========
HERE YA GO PHIL ====>>
note the May 7th date!!!
Sunday, May 07, 2000
GOP to Rudy: You In or Out?
Wants to hear plans before May 30
meet
By DAVE SALTONSTALL
Daily News Staff Writer
f Mayor Giuliani decides not to run
for the U.S. Senate — either
because of his health, his personal life
or other political concerns — then he
should say so, and soon, before the
party's May 30 convention in Buffalo.
That's the message Giuliani is being
sent by a growing chorus of state
Republican officials, concerned about
the mayor's health but increasingly
troubled by the prospect of having to
run against Hillary Rodham Clinton
without him.
"I think it will ultimately be a medical
decision whether he runs or not," said
City Council Minority Leader and
staunch Giuliani ally Thomas Ognibene
(R-Queens) last week.
"Clearly though," Ognibene
added, "that decision will
have to be made before May
30. It is unfair for him to
proceed to the convention
without having made a
definitive decision."
Added state Assembly
Minority Leader John Faso, the
highest-ranking Republican in the state
Assembly: "I am confident that decision
will be made before May 30."
The stern talk of deadlines, mixed with
genuine concern for the mayor's health,
underscores just how nerve-wracking
the Senate race has become for state
Republicans in the last two weeks.
First came the news that Giuliani has
prostate cancer, a treatable but always
troubling disease. Then former Rep. Joe
DioGuardi (R-Westchester) announced
that he would join the Senate race as a
Conservative Party candidate, raising
for Giuliani the specter of a spoiler from
the right.
Finally, Giuliani was forced to admit last
week that he was "very good friends"
with an upper East Side divorcee, a
relationship that some voters might find
troubling.
By themselves, none of these hurdles
would seem insurmountable. But taken
together — particularly in a race that
most agree will be decided by only a
few percentage points — they can
hardly spell good news for Giuliani.
Some observers even have wondered if
Giuliani still wants to be a senator,
particularly in light of the last two
weeks. And they suggest that he might
be trying to orchestrate his exit.
"I don't think he wanted to do it in the
first place, and I don't think he wants to
do it now," said one high-ranking
Republican. "And I can't believe how
candid they were about this young lady
or paramour or whatever you want to
call her."
Since he was diagnosed with cancer 10
days ago, Giuliani has said he will have
to consider all his treatment options
before making a final decision on the
Senate race. Meanwhile, his aides have
insisted he is not dropping out, as
evidenced by a statewide ad the
campaign began airing on Friday.
What's needed next, say many
Republican leaders, is a forthright
statement from Giuliani about his
senatorial intentions.
"The convention is May 30, so it has to
be a week to 10 days before that," said
Rep. Peter King (R-Suffolk). "That's not
written in stone, but as a practical
matter, I think it is important to have it
cleared up before the convention."
Make no mistake — all agree that
Giuliani is still the best candidate to
take on Clinton, and that he ought to be
given the next 10 days or so to consider
his cancer-treatment options. But if
party leaders have to muster a new
candidate, then they need to know
soon.
Rep. Rick Lazio, a Long Island
Republican, has a $3.4 million campaign
war chest and has made no secret of his
desire to run against Clinton.
And last week people began to whisper
anew about a possible Senate bid by
Gov. Pataki, who went out of his way to
try to mute that speculation. "I have no
intention of becoming a candidate," he
said Thursday.
But most agree that if Giuliani were to
bow out, Pataki would have to
reconsider that stance, if for no other
reason than to support the party he
heads.
"I think he will have to revisit this topic
based upon realities," said Wendeen
Eolis, a former senior adviser to Pataki.
"If Rudy drops out of the race, it will
become timely for the governor to
reconsider his position."
A Daily News/New York 1 poll suggests
the governor would have good reason to
think about it.
Asked last week who would be the
strongest candidate if Giuliani were to
drop out — Pataki, Lazio or DioGuardi —
a hefty 58% chose Pataki, compared
with 15% for Lazio and just 3% for
DioGuardi. A full 21% were not sure.
But all that assumes Giuliani will take
himself out of the race, a decision that
many believe only will get harder as
time goes by.
"There is going to come a point where
he can't back out, because he will
either look too weak or too disloyal,"
said one GOP official. "So I think he is
kind of stuck with it unless he can find a
legitimate out, and his health is the only
legitimate one."
Obwon
>> to make Laz The Lip's election impossible!
>
>He withdrew early enough for Lazio. It was Lazio's last minute
>negative campaign that cost him the election. It's nice to know that
>you don't think that Hillary won on her own.
>
>
>
>Phil
>========
From: News and Views | Beyond the
City |
Saturday, May 20, 2000
Rudy Ends Senate Quest
'Not the right time'
to run for office
By MICHAEL R. BLOOD
Daily News City Hall Bureau Chief
[A]fter three torturous weeks of
soul-searching, Mayor Giuliani
ended his historic Senate race against
Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday — his
campaign undone by prostate cancer, a
shredded marriage and a front-page
relationship with a woman not his wife.
"This is not the right time
for me to run for office," a
composed but
weary-looking Giuliani said,
standing before more than
30 TV cameras and a galaxy
of stone-faced aides,
commissioners and
campaign workers at City
Hall.
Reflecting on God, his
illness and the city he loves, he said
resignedly, "That's the way life is."
"You realize you're not a superman," the
mayor said. "You're just a human being."
Giuliani's withdrawal from the race set
off a seismic shift in national, state and
city politics, with repercussions from
the presidential race to the mayoral
election in 2001.
Suddenly, Republicans are without their
star candidate in the biggest Senate
race in the nation. After being locked in
a dead heat with Giuliani, the First Lady
emerged yesterday as a front-runner,
her celebrity and big bankroll a clear
edge over potential stand-ins such as
Long Island Rep. Rick Lazio.
Of all the potential Republican
replacements, "clearly the best would
be Rick Lazio," Gov. Pataki said last
night on CNN. And Giuliani said he was
ready to back Lazio if he became the
GOP choice.
Clinton phoned the mayor to wish him
well and said little would change in her
pursuit of the Senate seat occupied by
the retiring Democrat Daniel Moynihan.
"This campaign is not about me or any
opponent, but it is about the future of
our children, our families, our state and
our country," she said.
The mayor described his
days of indecision as a
journey of self-discovery,
and he recommitted himself
to reaching out to the
forgotten and healing many
of the city's wounds.
"I'm going to try to make
sure that I'm a better
mayor," he said, echoing
remarks he made following
his 1997 reelection. "I'm
going to reach out to more
people to try to help more people."
The city's revival, he said, "hasn't
reached everyone in the city ... and I'm
going to dedicate myself to trying to
figure out how we can get them to feel
that, too."
Giuliani said he agonized over the
decision all week, but his withdrawal hit
many Republicans like a sucker punch.
A few days ago, he told supporters at a
Manhattan fund-raiser he was inclined
to run, and banners, baseball hats and
buttons with his name were ordered for
the May 30 GOP convention in Buffalo,
where the party will endorse a
candidate.
In recent days, Republicans from
Arizona Sen. John McCain to Staten
Island Borough President Guy Molinari
expressed confidence that Giuliani
would stay in the race.
"My reaction was total surprise," said
Westchester County GOP Chairman Jim
Cavanaugh. "I was convinced he was
going to make the run."
The mayor said his
health, in the end, was
what mattered.
"I don't feel that if I
take on the
commitment to run,
that I have the kind of
confidence that I should have," he said.
Regardless of the cancer treatment he
chooses, "there are risks that I can't be
... the candidate that I would like to be."
For the 55-year-old Giuliani, the last
three weeks have been a saga of almost
Odyssean dimension, as the popular if
imperious mayor saw his candidacy
jolted by disclosures of his cancer, the
breakdown of his marriage to Donna
Hanover and his acknowledgment of his
relationship with "very good friend" Judi
Nathan.
In the process, his life — and his place
in history — were irrevocably altered.
Shortly before 4 p.m. yesterday, Giuliani
walked through a pair of brass-handled
doors into City Hall's blue-carpeted
Public Hearing Chamber escorted by
mayoral pal Elliot Cuker and Chief of
Staff Anthony Carbonetti. There, his
right hand often anchored to a lectern,
he spoke unusually candidly about his
decision, his past and his future — his
voice often cracking with emotion.
The mayor insisted his decision to drop
out of the race was rooted in his still
uncertain medical treatment and not
connected to his turbulent personal life.
But Giuliani knew his pending
separation from his wife of 16 years
could get messy, and that factored into
his decision, said one political
operative.
"It turns out he is the Duke of Windsor —
giving up the throne for the woman he
loves," said one veteran City Hall
observer, referring to Nathan. "It was a
job he never really wanted, and there's
just too much turmoil in his life."
"I've been in public life so long, and in
politics, I used to think the core of me
was in politics. It isn't. When you feel
your mortality and your humanity ... you
realize that the core of you is first of all
being able to take care of your health,"
the mayor said.
Giuliani said his decision wasn't final
until he finished his weekly radio show
on WABC yesterday, at 11:45 a.m.
During the program, he had given no
hint of the direction he would take.
Many of his closest advisers, including
Cuker and Liberal Party boss Ray
Harding, were urging Giuliani to pull out
of the race, sources said. Former
Deputy Mayor Randy Levine was said to
be the strongest voice exhorting him to
run, if his health permitted.
Hanover spent a quiet day at Gracie
Mansion. Her office issued a
two-sentence statement: "Rudy called
Donna before the announcement today.
They talked briefly, and she is
concerned for his health and will try to
help him with that."
Nathan said late last night, "Quite
frankly, my only concern here is for the
mayor's health, and I am praying for him
to have a speedy and complete
recovery."
Giuliani will now retreat to City Hall to
deal with his health and marital
problems — and to repair his legacy. He
vowed to help the GOP nominee in any
way he can, but in effect he'll be
watching from the sidelines as Clinton
makes her historic mark as the first
First Lady to seek elective office.
Ironically, it was a race in which the
mayor never officially announced his
candidacy.
He resumes his duties at City Hall a
lame duck, with about 19 months
remaining in his tenure. For a mayor
whose leadership relies in large part on
the force of his personality, his
authority inevitably will be weakened by
disclosures about his personal life.
When asked whether the decision
marked the end of his political career,
he said, "Politics, you know, isn't as
important as I thought it was.
He was asked as he was leaving
whether he had grown closer to God.
"I hope he's closer to me," the mayor
said, stepping out of the room, the
Senate race behind him, in a cluster of
friends.
Obwon
>He withdrew early enough for Lazio. It was Lazio's last minute
>negative campaign that cost him the election. It's nice to know that
>you don't think that Hillary won on her own.
>
>
>
>Phil
>========
Here's a third article, the one where Lazio trys to pick up.
and lest you attempt to post more incorrect garbage in support of the
Ghoulish fraud, here's the url to a few more relavant articles:
http://www.nydailynews.com/2000-05-20/News_and_Views/Beyond_the_City/a-67271.asp
So, either read up and shut up or read and weep!
The Ghoul is a Ghoul is a Ghoul. If you read the articles you'll no
doubt note with horror the way the Ghoul has played with everything,
religion, G-d, marrage, honor, health, friends... In short
everything!
Nothing is or was ever sacred, but to simply be used as a tool
to suit his own ends!
True, reading only one article at any given time gives Ghouliani a
position that appears defensible! But read back over time and see
just how terrible a man he is!
From: News and Views | Beyond the City |
Saturday, May 20, 2000
Lazio Leaps Into Campaign
Spurned in '99, now life of party
By WILLIAM GOLDSCHLAG
Daily News Senior National Correspondent
[W]ith Gov. Pataki's blessing, Rep. Rick
Lazio leaped into the Senate race
yesterday and began an 11-day sprint to
secure the Republican nomination and
launch a catchup campaign against
Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.
"I will be a candidate for the United
States Senate," Lazio said in a written
statement.
Arriving for a cancer forum in Oakdale,
L.I., last night, Lazio said, "I am looking
forward to this race with enthusiasm."
He is expected to make an
announcement speech in his district
today.
The state's Republican powerbrokers
shooed away the 42-year-old Suffolk
County moderate last year to make
room for Mayor Giuliani. But with the
mayor out, Lazio is the runaway favorite
for his party's backing at its convention
May 30 in Buffalo.
"It's a done deal — Rick Lazio is the
candidate," said Kieran Mahoney, a GOP
campaign consultant close to Pataki.
"Everybody I've talked to is for Lazio."
Pataki made his support public last
night in a CNN interview. He said Lazio
has "earned the right to be our next
senator" and called himself a strong
supporter of the congressman.
Earlier, Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.), who has
been pushing his own candidacy, said,
"I've been around long enough to know
when the stage is being set" for Lazio.
"Pataki controls the votes at the
convention, so he picks the nominee,"
King added.
Though Lazio maintained a scrupulous
silence while the mayor agonized about
his decisions, he quietly assembled a
campaign organization. He tapped Mike
Murphy, a mastermind of Arizona Sen.
John McCain's presidential bid, as his
chief strategist and had several
advance men ready to spring into action
for a statewide blitz.
Republicans were of two minds about
whether they could win without Giuliani.
His replacement won't be as well-known
and may not be as well-financed but
won't have his baggage, either.
And the GOP candidate will still have
the First Lady to kick around — a money
sport on the GOP fund-raising circuit.
"We will unite behind a strong
candidate, who will beat Hillary Clinton
and her belief in big government,"
Pataki said.
But the atmosphere among Washington
GOP powerbrokers watching the
nation's marquee Senate race seemed
uniformly funereal. The sense was that
there is luck, good luck and the luck of
the Clintons, and that now it's the First
Lady's race to lose — and she probably
won't.
A top Republican consultant with strong
ties to the New York party said Lazio
would start the race with a large stature
gap.
"Hillary and Rudy are just two such
incredibly pungent people that Lazio is
going to pale by comparison, no matter
how good a race he runs," the source
glumly noted.
New York Republicans were more
upbeat.
"I quite frankly think that Hillary
Rodham Clinton's nightmare has
occurred," said Rep. Tom Reynolds of
Buffalo.
She's been banking on running against
Giuliani and his abrasive personality for
months, and "now a candidate far
different from Rudy has emerged,"
Reynolds said.
A Long Island Democrat doubted Clinton
would succeed succeed at portraying
Lazio as a Newt Gingrich Republican
because the congressman had earned
credibility in his district as a moderate.
"Lazio tends to be attractive to
Democrats on Long Island," the source
said. "He has the seat that [Democrat]
Tom Downey held for 20 years. I tell ya,
as an active Democrat, I have a tough
time figuring out what we're going to hit
him with."
Phil
> and lest you attempt to post more incorrect garbage in support of the
> Ghoulish fraud, here's the url to a few more relavant articles:
First of all, Obwon, let me congradulate you. You've referred to real
sources in your argument and actually list the URL to prove that they
were not just your usual made up lies.
Now, if you were to actually read them in their entirety (as oppose to
skim the words that please you), you will find that the three articles
were about how Giuliani's late withdrawal nearly cost Lazio the
nomination, not the election.
While Lazio did not have over a year and a half to organize and run a
campaign, like Hillary's 'fact-finding tour' (on taxpayers' money), he
did have plenty of time for campaigning.
If you still think these articles tell how Giuliani cost Lazio the
election, just look at the dates. They were written six months before
election day.
Phil
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nyc
Phil wrote:
>
> > Here's a third article, the one where Lazio trys to pick up.
> > and lest you attempt to post more incorrect garbage in support of the
> > Ghoulish fraud, here's the url to a few more relavant articles:
>
> First of all, Obwon, let me congradulate you. You've referred to real
> sources in your argument and actually list the URL to prove that they
> were not just your usual made up lies.
>
> Now, if you were to actually read them in their entirety (as oppose to
> skim the words that please you), you will find that the three articles
> were about how Giuliani's late withdrawal nearly cost Lazio the
> nomination, not the election.
One must be nominated BEFORE one can begin campaigning in earnest.
Laz The Lip was denied funding and support from the RepubliKKKans
while Ghoulie straddled the fence and cost him the precious thing of
all.....TIME. But he was a LOSER Laaaaaaannnng Ou-Laaaaander to
begin with, just a pretty face from a nearly bankrupt county.
> While Lazio did not have over a year and a half to organize and run a
> campaign, like Hillary's 'fact-finding tour' (on taxpayers' money), he
> did have plenty of time for campaigning.
What was stopping him, eh? You can't have it both ways Philly....
well, yes, YOU can, but we need not delve into your personal life.
Phil
> well, yes, YOU can, but we need not delve into your personal life.
It's sad when someone's cheap insult is his strongest argument.
nyc
No Philly, whats sad is that you made ASSertations and ASSumptions
that were proven WRONG.
Your response to the most basic question is usually a non-denial,
as exampled above.
The question: "What was stoppong Laz from campaigning"?
Obwon
Phil... You are one amazing individual...
All year long we had to listen to GOP'ers gripeing about how Rudy
was holding up Lazio's campaign -- specifically, they said, because he
was not well known he needed the exposure that campaigning for the
nomination would give him.
Instead, he was forced to stand silently by while Ghouliani hogged
the spotlight, only to have his adulterous affair come to light with
his medical problems and force him out of the race!
It's hard to imagine that Rudy did not know of his own marital
problems! After all, he was the one who decided to do the very things
that caused them (remember Donna was hoping for a reconcilliation).
If so, then he rather cruelly played her along, while dating another
woman whom he says he wants to marry. Only to suddenly announce on
T.V. that he no longer wanted his wife!
Mind you... Ghouliani said that both he and his wife had decided
to call it quits! Later we found out that he'd never even discussed
the matter with his wife! So, I can imagine her awful pain and
humiliation at Ghouliani's hands!
But you still love this dispicable man so it's all fine with you!
Obwon
Phil
> Phil... You are one amazing individual...
Yes, I am amazing. I'm amazing in how I can take newspapers articles
published in May and present it as if it was written for something
that occurred six months later!
I'm amazing how I can make up references in support my pathetically
weak arguments, like a fictional reporter for the Arkansas Gazette!
I'm amazing how I can continue lying through my teeth in the
newsgroups despite the fact that someone keeps proving that I'm a sack
of shit liar!
I'm amazing how I can instantly change topic whenever confronted
with--wait a minute! That's not me doing all these things! That's
you!!!
Phil
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lying shits like Obwon need not apply.....