A Terrible Confession (Rant)
LadyHallow
Okay, here goes.
I like roleplaying games. Its not what is was six or seven years ago
when I was in high school (but then what is?), but this is just something
I enjoy.
Okay, here's the problem. I'm REALLY starting to hate the people this
brings me into contact with, the stereotypes I get slammed with, etc etc
etc (gee, not unlike the goth scene, now that I think about it...idiot
fifteen year olds abound everywhere)
I remember cool, intelligent goth gamers. Hell, I still know some, back
home. But where have they all gone?
It was scary when playing Vampire:The Masquerade start making people think
they were the ultimate in goffness. I snarl every time I see some twit
wearing one of those clan t-shirts at a goth club...
It was even scarier when they started deciding to make little deathcults
out of their LARPs and get in the news (usually under the headline "Goth
Slayfest" or some such drivel....
Totally off this pathetic little subject though, EdVamp why are you
posting no more of your little personal essays? Please resume! They're
quite the little day-brighteners.
~Maleficent~
(the doomcookie formerly known as LadyHallow)
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Well, while i can't comment on the bad role players you have come in
contact with (don't trust anyone born after 1979, that's what i say), i
can offer word on the slander from the media.
They've been pulling this crap off for 18 years now ever since that "steam
tunnel" story (BTW: That whole story is a falsehood, i've studied it). And
when you got folks watching shows like Hard Copy, Extra, and the daytime
talk shows, it just gets worse. And when some wanker kills some people,
and the game is connected somehow, we all take the brunt.
You can tell i have strong feallings on this matter, can't you? :)
BTW, if your really intrested on debunking the media slander, check out
these two pages:
http://web.canlink.com/ocrt/d_a_a.htm
http://www.10mb.com/252rpg/quellen/stackpole/pulling_report.html
'Lord' Paul Soth
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Matthew M Mckeon
ladyh...@aol.com (LadyHallow) writes:
> Okay, here goes.
>
> I like roleplaying games. Its not what is was six or seven years
> ago when I was in high school (but then what is?), but this is just
> something I enjoy.
>
> Okay, here's the problem. I'm REALLY starting to hate the people
> this brings me into contact with, the stereotypes I get slammed
> with, etc etc etc (gee, not unlike the goth scene, now that I think
> about it...idiot fifteen year olds abound everywhere)
>
I'm terribly sorry. <sigh> But when you've got a situation
like that, there's really naught to be done for it, unless
you go far afield to find gaming partners avec une clue.
I'm lucky to have friends that happen to game, as opposed
to gamers that happen to be friends.
As a college student, I've discovered that there's just too
much to do during the academic year for myself or my friends
to find time to game. Summer, tho', is dice season. :)
Altho' I must admit, we've never exactly been hard-core
serious RPG'ers. Witness Vampire: The Drinking Game,
a debacle that ran for a substantial portion of the weekend
and violated several Pennsylvania state laws. Heh.. I even
lured Raphrat into it. Altho' things didn't really
get interesting until after the Storyteller'd sucked down
his <cough> second liter of Merlot.
> I remember cool, intelligent goth gamers. Hell, I still know some,
> back home. But where have they all gone?
>
They're probably writing the games, now.
>
> ~Maleficent~
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Michael Johnson
ladyh...@aol.com (LadyHallow) wrote:
>I like roleplaying games. Its not what is was six or seven years ago
>when I was in high school (but then what is?), but this is just something
>I enjoy.
Me too - D&D,Mage,Nephilim,Talislanta,Werewolf, Wraith and on occasion
Vampire (when I can find a group not consisting of Nosferatu fangs
that I can run scenarios on without holding a clove of garlic aloft)
>Okay, here's the problem. I'm REALLY starting to hate the people this
>brings me into contact with, the stereotypes I get slammed with, etc etc
>etc (gee, not unlike the goth scene, now that I think about it...idiot
>fifteen year olds abound everywhere)
Me too - you run vampire and the next thing you know you have a
roomful of them whinging that they can't have blood instead of coffee,
hissing at your poor flatmate ... and they're not even good gamers.
>I remember cool, intelligent goth gamers. Hell, I still know some, back
>home. But where have they all gone?
Ummm,there's one here <jumping up and down and waving>
I know a few in Plymouth,and a couple in London but it seems decent
roleplayers are rarer than diamonds these days.
> I snarl every time I see some twit
>wearing one of those clan t-shirts at a goth club...
Or the Toreador symbols ... ultimate hypocrisy!
At the moment I'm trying to get a game of Wraith together,but the only
gamers I've found are the abovementioned.
<sulk>
Sarah
Charlotte Ashley
> ladyh...@aol.com (LadyHallow) wrote:
>
>>I like roleplaying games. Its not what is was six or seven years ago
>>when I was in high school (but then what is?), but this is just something
>>I enjoy.
>
I adore the things... and awate eagerly the day when I can play them with
people who don't make me want to puke...
>
>>Okay, here's the problem. I'm REALLY starting to hate the people this
>>brings me into contact with, the stereotypes I get slammed with, etc etc
>>etc (gee, not unlike the goth scene, now that I think about it...idiot
>>fifteen year olds abound everywhere)
Yp yup yup yup. Not only are they miserable socially incompitant people,
but they can't roll play to save their mothers, can't think on their feet,
live with rule books, try to impress you by copying you, follow you
around, take it too seriously and insist on being called "Murgorth" or
something outside of the game.
I am so sick of fifteen year old geeks I am just about ready to honestly
just tear a throat or two out. No, no, I actually could prolly just leave
them to their pointy sticks and hommade drugs and they'll knock themselves
off quick enough. : :P :P
Leanan Sidhe, who was made to read a book of poetry by a boy caling
himself "The Raven" (in spooky goddamn letters none the less) an it was
ALL self indulgant, redundant, unoriginal rhyming drivel with frightning
referrences to yours truely. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
--
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Life is one big ink blot.
Kyper
un...@globalnet.co.uk (Michael Johnson) uttered the following:
>Me too - D&D,Mage,Nephilim,Talislanta,Werewolf, Wraith and on occasion
>Vampire (when I can find a group not consisting of Nosferatu fangs
>that I can run scenarios on without holding a clove of garlic aloft)
I like D&D (and variants) mainly for nostalgic reasons. It is possible (with
a lot of work) to make it into a much better system... my personal favourite
is Call of Cthulhu..
>>I remember cool, intelligent goth gamers. Hell, I still know some, back
>>home. But where have they all gone?
>
>Ummm,there's one here <jumping up and down and waving>
>I know a few in Plymouth,and a couple in London but it seems decent
>roleplayers are rarer than diamonds these days.
There are two that I play with up here (neither of them goths, one
alternateen - albiet with much more taste, and the other a good old
fashioned metal head...), and there are a few through in Glasgow...
- Aidan
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Cynthia Higginbotham
On 21 May 1997 01:49:43 GMT, Charlotte Ashley <bi...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>> ladyh...@aol.com (LadyHallow) wrote:
>>
>>>I like roleplaying games. Its not what is was six or seven years ago
>>>when I was in high school (but then what is?), but this is just something
>>>I enjoy.
>
>I adore the things... and awate eagerly the day when I can play them with
>people who don't make me want to puke...
I've finally figured out that I want to roleplay with my friends
rather than make friends with roleplayers. The trouble is, I
don't have any friends locally. :-(
>>>Okay, here's the problem. I'm REALLY starting to hate the people this
>>>brings me into contact with, the stereotypes I get slammed with, etc etc
>>>etc (gee, not unlike the goth scene, now that I think about it...idiot
>>>fifteen year olds abound everywhere)
>
>Yp yup yup yup. Not only are they miserable socially incompitant people,
>but they can't roll play to save their mothers, can't think on their feet,
>live with rule books, try to impress you by copying you, follow you
>around, take it too seriously and insist on being called "Murgorth" or
>something outside of the game.
My alarm bells start ringing whenever someone insists on telling
me the adventures of his 35th level ninja drow... (So what is
the VtM equivalent of that behavior, anywho?)
>I am so sick of fifteen year old geeks I am just about ready to honestly
>just tear a throat or two out. No, no, I actually could prolly just leave
>them to their pointy sticks and hommade drugs and they'll knock themselves
>off quick enough. : :P :P
I know, y'all move down here to N'Awlins, and we'll start
roleplaying together! (I guarantee that neither I nor Steve
is a fifteen year old geek...)
>Leanan Sidhe, who was made to read a book of poetry by a boy caling
>himself "The Raven" (in spooky goddamn letters none the less) an it was
>ALL self indulgant, redundant, unoriginal rhyming drivel with frightning
>referrences to yours truely. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Pat him on the head and tell him he's cute. (Of course, you have
to be old enough to be his mother to do this convincingly... Get
your mother to do it, if you're too youthful-looking.)
--dragoness
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The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery; you shall not
murder; you shall not steal; you shall not covet," and any other
commandment there may be are all summed up in this, "You shall
love your neighbor as yourself." Love never wrongs the neighbor,
hence love is the fulfillment of the law. --Romans 13:9-10
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In article <01bc65a0$c5b6de40$66d557cf@default>, "Jack" <jack@_nospaam_apex.net> writes:
> Jack looks around furtively to see if anyone's looking, then whispers, "Try
> Amber DRPG."
>
> Seriously. No dice, no plastic fangs, no clans or "alignments," plenty of
> flexibility for the GM, and even the beginning players have access to
> god-like power (To cure the "starting character fragility" problem.) yet it
> doesn't interrupt the flow of the game, because all their relatives, (The
> only "real" opposition.) have them too, and a knife in the back at dinner
> (Or a knife in the kidney in the library.) will still put them down.
>
> Try it, you'll like it. It's based on Zelazny's _Chronicles of Amber_
> who's main character, Corwin, practically *exudes* Gothness.
I have to agree that Amber is one of the strongest roleplaying games out for
its 'rules are a pain in the behind anyway' approach, but would caution that it
can be a bit of a burden on the GM. I will also say, as has been said in so
many conversations about gaming, it's _who_ you game with more than the game.
I had some of my best fun with old AD&D, and I think that system's about as bad
as they come; the GMing was good, and I was playing with friends.
losthalo
Jack
Michael Johnson <un...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote in article
<5lskhh$b...@kew.globalnet.co.uk>...
> ladyh...@aol.com (LadyHallow) wrote:
>
> >I like roleplaying games. Its not what is was six or seven years ago
> >when I was in high school (but then what is?), but this is just
something
> >I enjoy.
>
> Me too - D&D,Mage,Nephilim,Talislanta,Werewolf, Wraith and on occasion
> Vampire (when I can find a group not consisting of Nosferatu fangs
> that I can run scenarios on without holding a clove of garlic aloft)
>
> >Okay, here's the problem. I'm REALLY starting to hate the people this
> >brings me into contact with, the stereotypes I get slammed with, etc etc
> >etc (gee, not unlike the goth scene, now that I think about it...idiot
> >fifteen year olds abound everywhere)
>
> Me too - you run vampire and the next thing you know you have a
> roomful of them whinging that they can't have blood instead of coffee,
> hissing at your poor flatmate ... and they're not even good gamers.
>
>
> >I remember cool, intelligent goth gamers. Hell, I still know some, back
> >home. But where have they all gone?
>
Jack looks around furtively to see if anyone's looking, then whispers, "Try
Amber DRPG."
Seriously. No dice, no plastic fangs, no clans or "alignments," plenty of
flexibility for the GM, and even the beginning players have access to
god-like power (To cure the "starting character fragility" problem.) yet it
doesn't interrupt the flow of the game, because all their relatives, (The
only "real" opposition.) have them too, and a knife in the back at dinner
(Or a knife in the kidney in the library.) will still put them down.
Try it, you'll like it. It's based on Zelazny's _Chronicles of Amber_
who's main character, Corwin, practically *exudes* Gothness.
--
-Jack-
"Death, it's not just for breakfast anymore."
[remove _nospaam_ from my address to reply]
Captain Whimsy
On 21 May 1997 17:32:43 GMT, cyn...@ecci1.com (Cynthia Higginbotham)
wrote:
>My alarm bells start ringing whenever someone insists on telling
>me the adventures of his 35th level ninja drow... (So what is
>the VtM equivalent of that behavior, anywho?)
When they start telling you how the Prince owes them a Life Boon
and how their 5th Generation Brujah can kick your butt in under
a second.
CW.
(Still attempting to roleplay Vtm without killing fellow players)
"I'd like to die like my grandfather,
peacefully in my sleep -
Not screaming like the passengers in his car" - Anon.
Kira B. Moore
In article <5ltkbn$r...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
Charlotte Ashley <bi...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>Leanan Sidhe, who was made to read a book of poetry by a boy caling
>himself "The Raven" (in spooky goddamn letters none the less) an it was
>ALL self indulgant, redundant, unoriginal rhyming drivel with frightning
>referrences to yours truely. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Wow. I'm sorry. I've had to deal with such strange and pathetic creatures
myself over the years. It doesn't help that I feel I should be
sympathetic toward them because _I_ write poetry about my unrequited
loves. But I DON'T MAKE THEM READ IT!! (usually). And it's usually not
unoriginal drivel, at least I hope it's not.
The latest annoying poet was a fellow who works at the bus station. He
chatted me up, saying he could tell I was a grad student in English
(nope, French literature, but close) and asking me to read his book of
poetry and that I could buy it for $6 if I liked it. (!) It was all
self-indulgent, bleak, boring, non-rhyming drivel, about how every woman
he's ever loved has betrayed him, and how he should have stayed in
Alaska. Oh, and the one piece about a parakeet catching fire.
I gave it back to him, telling him I found it sad, leaving the
interpretation of that adjective up to him.
The next time he saw me, I was dressed in black and grey, and in a foul
mood, and he said "My, we're looking perky". !!! I said "Yeah, right"
and walked away. I guess I've made an enemy. I try to avoid doing that.
Why is it that of all the people who annoy poets, fellow poets are often
the worst offenders? Matt Groening has done some comics about this...
-Neryssa, who rhymes as often as not, but tries not to inflict her verse
on the objects of her hopeless affection...
Kirt Andrew Dankmyer
LadyHallow (ladyh...@aol.com) wrote:
> Okay, here's the problem. I'm REALLY starting to hate the people this
> brings me into contact with, the stereotypes I get slammed with, etc etc
> etc (gee, not unlike the goth scene, now that I think about it...idiot
> fifteen year olds abound everywhere)
Annoying, isn't it? Just remember, the people who are into collectable
card games are (generally speaking) even more annoying.
What I'd like to find is a good group of intense roleplayers (or even just
interesteed people) who want to play something _other_ than Vampire. For
sheer Gothic potential, I cannot reccommend games like _In Nomine_ and
_Over the Edge_ more.
-Fenris (demonseed)
--
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My opinions are my own. PGP public key available. Surreal poetry on request.
"I waked, she fled, and day brought back my night." --Milton
D. Robert Hamm
(Responded-to msgs below with lot's of snipping... I felt like being
backward today. :)
Hey, I love the damn things, too! Matter of fact, I'm PR and Creative
Director for a gaming company that's publishing it's first live action
game (also playable in tabletop and online) in the horror genre this
fall and has three other new games in progress. If you can make it to
GenCon, come play! I'll be running the booth during the day, but I
should be in the game quite a bit at night.
I was at one time in a VTM game online, but found it to be infested with
brats and twinks. I mean, everyone hadda be a 3rd gen Assamite
Antitribue Abomination with Temporis... ROTFL!!! I think I'm fortunate
here in Lawrence to have access to a group of creative people who love
to RP and are actually good at it. It IS frightening when people start
thinking of themselves as their characters! I knew a guy in Germany who
used to stand in line at the mess hall talking loudly about himself as a
Paladin, how cool his magical sword was, etcetera... Brrrr!!!! REALITY
CHECK, ASSHOLE!!!!!!! You're a fucking MECHANIC! And not even a GOOD
one, at that!<grin>
I actually knew a girl who would base her real life friendships on on
her character's life... as in, if your character was nice to hers, you
were her buddy and she'd be constantly calling you or hanging out. The
instant your character did anything which had a negative impact on hers,
she would immediately do an about face, talk behind your back,
etcetera. Come to think of it, I've known TOO MANY people like that!
They give all gamers a bad name.
Oh... there's a link to my company site from my home page (URL in my
sig) if'n you guys and Pan (since I know he's a gamer, as well) wanna
check it out.
GOTH GAMERS UNITE! Or something like that.......
Cynthia Higginbotham wrote:
>
> On 21 May 1997 01:49:43 GMT, Charlotte Ashley <bi...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
> >
> >> ladyh...@aol.com (LadyHallow) wrote:
> >>
> >>>I like roleplaying games. Its not what is was six or seven years ago
> >>>when I was in high school (but then what is?), but this is just something
> >>>I enjoy.
> >
> >I adore the things... and awate eagerly the day when I can play them with
> >people who don't make me want to puke...
>
> I've finally figured out that I want to roleplay with my friends
> rather than make friends with roleplayers. The trouble is, I
> don't have any friends locally. :-(
>
> >>>Okay, here's the problem. I'm REALLY starting to hate the people this
> >>>brings me into contact with, the stereotypes I get slammed with, etc etc
> >>>etc (gee, not unlike the goth scene, now that I think about it...idiot
> >>>fifteen year olds abound everywhere)
> >
> >Yp yup yup yup. Not only are they miserable socially incompitant people,
> >but they can't roll play to save their mothers, can't think on their feet,
> >live with rule books, try to impress you by copying you, follow you
> >around, take it too seriously and insist on being called "Murgorth" or
> >something outside of the game.
>
> My alarm bells start ringing whenever someone insists on telling
> me the adventures of his 35th level ninja drow... (So what is
> the VtM equivalent of that behavior, anywho?)
>
> >I am so sick of fifteen year old geeks I am just about ready to honestly
> >just tear a throat or two out. No, no, I actually could prolly just leave
> >them to their pointy sticks and hommade drugs and they'll knock themselves
> >off quick enough. : :P :P
>
> I know, y'all move down here to N'Awlins, and we'll start
> roleplaying together! (I guarantee that neither I nor Steve
> is a fifteen year old geek...)
>
> >Leanan Sidhe, who was made to read a book of poetry by a boy caling
> >himself "The Raven" (in spooky goddamn letters none the less) an it
--
Peace!
-Rob, the user-friendly semi-Goth
http://www.cjnetworks.com/~syber
>>"What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly."<<
Harlequin
On 21 May 1997, Jack wrote:
> Jack looks around furtively to see if anyone's looking, then whispers, "Try
> Amber DRPG."
Sigh...I'd love to...it's just that so few people that I know have
actually read the books. And I've found that you have to have a good
working knowledge of the universe to play the game.
-Harlequin
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Charlotte Ashley
Cynthia Higginbotham (cyn...@ecci1.com) writes:
> On 21 May 1997 01:49:43 GMT, Charlotte Ashley <bi...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>I adore the things... and awate eagerly the day when I can play them with
>>people who don't make me want to puke...
>
> I've finally figured out that I want to roleplay with my friends
> rather than make friends with roleplayers. The trouble is, I
> don't have any friends locally. :-(
y'knw, if I didn't think I'd be too busy, I'd want to role play at a
convergance sometime. Oh, to play with real people... :)
>>live with rule books, try to impress you by copying you, follow you
>>around, take it too seriously and insist on being called "Murgorth" or
>>something outside of the game.
>
> My alarm bells start ringing whenever someone insists on telling
> me the adventures of his 35th level ninja drow... (So what is
> the VtM equivalent of that behavior, anywho?)
3rd generation tremere who, oh, btw, has found a way to become human again? ;)
(/me has seen far more of the 35th level drow ninjas, for the record. Who
almost invariably use double scimitars too. *gag*)
>
>>himself "The Raven" (in spooky goddamn letters none the less) an it was
>>ALL self indulgant, redundant, unoriginal rhyming drivel with frightning
>>referrences to yours truely. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
>
> Pat him on the head and tell him he's cute. (Of course, you have
> to be old enough to be his mother to do this convincingly... Get
> your mother to do it, if you're too youthful-looking.)
>
No, I mother enough of the geeks around here hat I can pull that off. :)
Doesn't stop him from writing the stuff though. ;)
Leanan Sidhe, who got one of her favorites to quit smoking, and is rather
happy about that today.
Charlotte Ashley
ben adrian (bpad...@iupui.edu) writes:
> Charlotte Ashley wrote:
>
>> Leanan Sidhe, who was made to read a book of poetry by a boy caling
>> himself "The Raven" (in spooky goddamn letters none the less) an it was
>> ALL self indulgant, redundant, unoriginal rhyming drivel with frightning
>> referrences to yours truely. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
>
> Charlotte,
> I just must say...
> eughhhhhhhhhhh (and other weird noises) *shudder*.
> From your posts, you seem to be some kinda idiot magnet.
> And I don't really know what to say other than perhaps "RUN AWAY".
>
> But I'd never SERIOUSLY tell anyone to do that.
*applause* You got it! And I have the same reaction- you can't just tell
someone to bog of when their only crime is being inherantly idiotic. :)
>
> I can't really speak, however, 'cause I wrote a poem to a female just
> this monday. Of course, it was only fifteen short lines, not at all
> gothic (or psuedogoth), and MOST DEFINITELY NOT in spooky lettering;)
> oh, and rhyming was right out...
Writing indulgant poetry *to* people, seems to me to make more sense. At
least then the poem has meaning to that person. Generic love poems do not
make good public reading; if you aren't involved than the damn things are
[unless very well writen] meaningless.
>
> good morning...
>
yikes. Do I know you?
Leanan Sidhe, who says "good morning" all the time, and is well known for
it here. :)
Captain Whimsy
>
>> When they start telling you how the Prince owes them a Life Boon
>> and how their 5th Generation Brujah can kick your butt in under
>> a second.
>>
>> CW.
>> (Still attempting to roleplay Vtm without killing fellow players)
>>
>We are currently running a Sabbat Live-Action game.
>Oddly enough...only one character has died...and that was by an NPC's hand.
>
>Nytwind--Yes, sir, I am a gaming geek....if that offends you, I suggest you
>consult my Dice of Utter Destruction and Doom
It doesnt offend me, but I would like to consult your Dice anyway.
Can you control them or do they just blow up in your hands, I would
like to use them on someone else... :)
CW.
Cynthia Higginbotham
On Thu, 22 May 1997 05:02:15 -0500, D. Robert Hamm <sy...@cjnetworks.com> wrote:
>DnA Dvorkin wrote:
>> Way I look at it is, sooner or later, they'll go away. I was part of what
>> I figure was the second wave of RPG popularity, in the early '80's -- in
>> those days, of course, it was almost all sit-down stuff like D&D,
>> Traveller, T&T, Champions, etc., though we did indulge in some Killer now
>
>Hey! I remember some of those! I had the old Dieties and DemiGods and
>all the old Traveller books... (back when they were little black
>booklets with coloured bands... and before MegaTraveller and such)
Ohmigawd, that's TWO other Goths who have actually played Traveller!
<*faint*>
Hmmm... anyone up for a game? Care to join the Traveller Mailing
List? Seen 4 ed. Traveller yet? ("Marc Miller's Traveller", from
Imperium Games).
--dragoness rpg-geek
Harlequin
On 22 May 1997, Charlotte Ashley wrote:
> > My alarm bells start ringing whenever someone insists on telling
> > me the adventures of his 35th level ninja drow... (So what is
> > the VtM equivalent of that behavior, anywho?)
> 3rd generation tremere who, oh, btw, has found a way to become human again? ;)
And has managed to keep all his disciplines and awaken and do the
skindancing thing to become a rank 5 theurge uktena and get embraced again
but keep all the stuff that he'd just gotten...
Sigh. Someone tried to do that in a game of mine once. All the other
players simply beat him with rulebooks :)
Sometimes I love my other players...
> (/me has seen far more of the 35th level drow ninjas, for the record. Who
> almost invariably use double scimitars too. *gag*)
Spew!
> Leanan Sidhe, who got one of her favorites to quit smoking, and is rather
> happy about that today.
-Harlequin, who's best friend won't let him take up that habit again
<yay!>
Fenris, Slayer of Odin
Okay, I have a dark secret too....
I love Warhammer.
I have 3 Warhammer armies.
Orcs
Lizardmen
Wood Elves
I even like Warhammer 40K.
I have an Eldar army painted in Mardi Gras colors.
For some reason, all my armies end up being
painted predominantly black, green and purple.
I can't seem to figure that one out...
Hrm.
Fenris
Slayer of Odin
Happy with 3000 pts of Warhammer slaughter
http://www.mindspring.com/~godlike/
Ian Sturrock
In article <5m1oob$npc$2...@kiyoko.communique.net>, Cynthia Higginbotham
<cyn...@ecci1.com> writes
>Ohmigawd, that's TWO other Goths who have actually played Traveller!
><*faint*>
Make it three. I used to quite enjoy it- but then it`s all there was,
exceptin` _Space Opera_. Still got all the A5 booklets an` everything. I
did find tho` that the attempt to encompass everything ended up giving
the game universe a slightly bland feel... I`ve lent my Trav stuff to a
pal so he can use chunks of it to run a _Teknum_ game, which IMHO is
much superior.
Another fine SF RPG obscurity has to be _Space Patrol_- late seventies,
one slim A4 booklet, but it had cyberware, psionics, aliens, a bizarre
collection of weaponry & a lot of neat ideas. Never quite got around to
running a game of it, but I always fancied giving it a try `cos it`s one
of these nice simplistic games that can be used without character
sheets, the PCs having only a rough idea of their own capabilities.
--
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Nytwind
> >Hey! I remember some of those! I had the old Dieties and DemiGods and
> >all the old Traveller books... (back when they were little black
> >booklets with coloured bands... and before MegaTraveller and such)
Woah. Someone else who has seen the original Traveller rules.
> Ohmigawd, that's TWO other Goths who have actually played Traveller!
Make that 3 more, although I haven't played in a long, long time.
Nytwind, who still has access to those books somewhere.....all inside the
little neat supplement boxes
Jack
Cynthia Higginbotham <cyn...@ecci1.com> wrote in article
<5m1oob$npc$2...@kiyoko.communique.net>...
<snip>
> Ohmigawd, that's TWO other Goths who have actually played Traveller!
> <*faint*>
Well, I've played traveler. Wasn't bad, but I'd probably have liked it
better with a different GM.
> Hmmm... anyone up for a game? Care to join the Traveller Mailing
> List? Seen 4 ed. Traveller yet? ("Marc Miller's Traveller", from
> Imperium Games).
I'm already on the Amber DRPG list. But for games played with hex paper
and dice and all that, I actually prefer Marvel Villains. (Basically,
Marvel Heroes, but you play the bad guys instead.) Dull for campaigns, but
great fun if you just want to play smash-it-up. If I want serious plot
type stuff, I'll stick to diceless, or minimal dice.
Although, I'll admit, diceless works better for fantasy type stuff than it
does for the harder SF type games. I wouldn't want to play a Known Space
(*not* Ringworld, it just doesn't capture the feel of Known Space IMHO)
game as diceless.
>
> --dragoness rpg-geek
>
I've spent the last ten years basically denying the geek side of my
personality. (Recovering from the days when I'd do things like try to
teach myself COBOL from old tech manuals, for *fun*.) Recently, I've given
up bothering. I may be a bit of a geek, but I still look *damn* cool in
black.
Cynthia Higginbotham
On Thu, 22 May 1997 18:05:24 +0100, Ian Sturrock <i...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <5m1oob$npc$2...@kiyoko.communique.net>, Cynthia Higginbotham
><cyn...@ecci1.com> writes
>><*faint*>
>
>exceptin` _Space Opera_. Still got all the A5 booklets an` everything. I
>did find tho` that the attempt to encompass everything ended up giving
>the game universe a slightly bland feel... I`ve lent my Trav stuff to a
>pal so he can use chunks of it to run a _Teknum_ game, which IMHO is
>much superior.
And *Space Opera*? By FGU, same people that did Chivalry & Sorcery,
and Bushido, IIRC. Alt.gothic, haven of Players of Obscure Out-of-Print
Games?
Any RuneQuest fans out there?
>Another fine SF RPG obscurity has to be _Space Patrol_- late seventies,
>one slim A4 booklet, but it had cyberware, psionics, aliens, a bizarre
>collection of weaponry & a lot of neat ideas. Never quite got around to
>running a game of it, but I always fancied giving it a try `cos it`s one
>of these nice simplistic games that can be used without character
>sheets, the PCs having only a rough idea of their own capabilities.
Was this the game in which you were lucky to survive a
space journey, because the ship could randomly encounter
life forms that popped out of hyperspace on the bridge
and tried to eat the pilot?
--dragoness
--
The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery; you shall not
murder; you shall not steal; you shall not covet," and any other
commandment there may be are all summed up in this, "You shall
love your neighbor as yourself." Love never wrongs the neighbor,
hence love is the fulfillment of the law. --Romans 13:9-10
Fenris, Slayer of Odin
Al Golagnia wrote:
>
> Charlotte Ashley wrote:
> >
> > "Fenris, Slayer of Odin" (fen...@valhalla.mindspring.net) writes:
> > > Okay, I have a dark secret too....
> > >
> > > I love Warhammer.
> >
>
> I gedda be the Wardancers...unless we do 40K in which case I call dibs
> on being the Harlequins
>
> *pleeeeese*
>
I'll be happy to host a Warhammer or 40k tournament any time, any place.
If you can get here, I'll provide crash space and all the Warhammer you
can stand.
Fenris
Al Golagnia
Charlotte Ashley wrote:
>
> "Fenris, Slayer of Odin" (fen...@valhalla.mindspring.net) writes:
> > Okay, I have a dark secret too....
> >
> > I love Warhammer.
>
> *cheer*
I gedda be the Wardancers...unless we do 40K in which case I call dibs
on being the Harlequins
*pleeeeese*
a.g
who is a geek overall
Al Golagnia.....Manlygoth....Holy Instrument of Joy....lemony fresh
Albatross
My two most common friends in Seattle are avid Warhammer players. They
have gone to great lenghts to suck me into it. And, in fact, I did buy a
very large Empire army, completely painted, for only $500, when the
owner decided he needed out. I wont take it up again.
It is fun. But, I simply dont have the time.
I feel pretty much the same about RPG. I have lost so much time at it.
The afternoon passes into evening passes into night, and I'm usually
left thinking,' well, this has been fun, but Id rather have been my real
self today, interacting with other real selves.'
By and large, gaming goes under the heading of junk food for the soul.
It sates the desire of the imagination without giving the imagination
any real nourishment. An occasional gaming session is great, but I
rather pity people who dedicate a large portion of their lives to it...
A
--
++++++++++++++++++++
I see her in every kind of shape, but oftener than not
shes in the wind and cries, 'give a kiss and put your
arms about me.' But no, she'll have no more of me.
Yesterday, when I put out my lips to kiss, there was
nothing but the wind-- WB Yeats
Killing is Killing...whether done for Duty Profit or Fun....
: >home. But where have they all gone?
: Ummm,there's one here <jumping up and down and waving>
: I know a few in Plymouth,and a couple in London but it seems decent
: roleplayers are rarer than diamonds these days.
Curious, me and pan where just discussing th every same thing;
how there is a startling lack of gamers who can bring imagination
and life into a game. Too many munchkins abound nowadays, they miss
the point.
omard
who's considering doing some research on cloning, just so he can
have multiple copies to distribute to his friends... <sigh>
--
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Never be the first to believe, never be the last to deceive...
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Charlotte Ashley
"Fenris, Slayer of Odin" (fen...@valhalla.mindspring.net) writes:
> Al Golagnia wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I love Warhammer.
>>
>> I gedda be the Wardancers...unless we do 40K in which case I call dibs
>> on being the Harlequins
>>
>
> I'll be happy to host a Warhammer or 40k tournament any time, any place.
> If you can get here, I'll provide crash space and all the Warhammer you
> can stand.
Oh sure. DON'T tell us where you live. ;)
Leanan Sidhe, who will travel great lengths if the target tempts her
enough. ;)
Edvamp
> I love Warhammer.
Go 'nids.
Ever and Always
Edvamp
Perkygoth Supreme
timmie
Edvamp <edv...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I love Warhammer.
>
> Go 'nids.
you just keep those go'nids to yourself young man.. you don't want to go
passing on any nasty gene seeds around here thank you very much..
timmie, who's sortof had a 'nid OD at work.. *sigh*..
--
> < ** Squirrelly: adj. 1. Like a squirrel
o o *** 2a. inclined to bustle about
x ** 2b. (of a person) unpredictable, nervous, demented.
/" "\ * so ner!
Albatross
nag...@miavx1.muohio.edu wrote:
>
> In article <338680...@fix.net>, Albatross <tpa...@fix.net> writes:
> > My two most common friends in Seattle are avid Warhammer players. They
> > have gone to great lenghts to suck me into it. And, in fact, I did buy a
> > very large Empire army, completely painted, for only $500, when the
> > owner decided he needed out. I wont take it up again.
> > It is fun. But, I simply dont have the time.
> Agreed. Wargaming takes even more time tha RPing, which is fairly
> time-consuming. And if you continue investing in them, they can both be really
> expensive (I've taken to using only the basic rulebook for a game if I'm going
> to be running it).
Thousands of dollars (literally) and hundreds of hours painting later,
they ask, where did my life go? For me, a twenty seven year old man with
nothing to show for his life but a crappy job and a huge Chaos army is a
little _too bad_. Especailly when said man is as bright as many gamers
are. You trade in your time for whatever, and that whatever becomes your
life. If you want your life to be lived in games, if you find that
preferable to other possible lives...
Of course, it isnt an either/or...some people are able to make space
for gaming in their life and still live a varied and interesting
life...but we both know that for some people, gaming is their life...
<snip me rpg>
> Well, I'd say it's better than watching TV,
Agreed. I dont watch much TV either.
> often better even than a good movie
> (if you're with good friends doing it, esp. if you take time to gab while
> you're playing).
Have you never heard the infamous "stop gabbing and get into character"
rant? :)
> Beats the hell outta playing cards, and it's more fun than
> reading unless it's a really good book. Yes, it's a diversion from reality,
> but... club-hopping and such isn't?
I'm not trying to throw too much cold water on gaming, really!
It is just a thing that I no longer have time for.
It is one of a few things that has sapped me when I could have been out
making a life which suits me better, which is what I intend to do now...
:)
A
nag...@miavx1.muohio.edu
In article <3388F6...@fix.net>, Albatross <tpa...@fix.net> writes:
> I'm not trying to throw too much cold water on gaming, really!
> It is just a thing that I no longer have time for.
> It is one of a few things that has sapped me when I could have been out
> making a life which suits me better, which is what I intend to do now...
who really does, and I've met a wide variety of people. *shrug* Good luck! ;)
losthalo
Thessalia
> It is fun. But, I simply dont have the time.
> I feel pretty much the same about RPG. I have lost so much time at
it.
>The afternoon passes into evening passes into night, and I'm usually
>left thinking,' well, this has been fun, but Id rather have been my real
>self today, interacting with other real selves.'
> By and large, gaming goes under the heading of junk food for the
soul.
>It sates the desire of the imagination without giving the imagination
>any real nourishment. An occasional gaming session is great, but I
>rather pity people who dedicate a large portion of their lives to it...
I can somewhat... somewhat... understand people
who have a Regular Weekly Gaming Night, when
their group tries to get together to RPG. I was part
of such a group for a while and it was no big deal if
we couldn't play; it was treated as a weekly poker
night, only more imaginative. What I have never ever
understood is the Magic the Gathering geeks. I have
what is for a non-regular player of the game quite a
lot of cards. I learned the game one summer to have
fun with a few friends and a bf who were playing
(all were a year ahead of me in school and had gotten
into it at college during my sr year of HS). I can
understand casual playing as a timesucker when you're
bored. What I totally, 100%, DO NOT understand is
the gangs of people who have two jobs (the second
20hrs/week is to buy more cards and such) *just* to
support their M:tG habits. The people who have 50
different prefab decks at hand that they will whip out
at any given comics&gaming shop's designated weekly
practice night. The guys who keep their Really Rare
Cards in plastic sleeves and don't even consider using
them in real play (wasn't the point of rarity the fact that
the card is powerful?)
I think the problem here... and in Serious Warhammer
Geekness, and serious AD&D geekness, and serious
V:tM (especially LARP) geekness, is that the people
who take it too far take it too seriously. For some
hardcore gamers, they really don't have much else in
the way of having a life (lots of middle-class suburban
teens I knew who didn't have to have jobs and just spent
every weekend at someone's house gaming): when their
35th level Ninja Drow wins, that may be the only "win" in
their life all that week (then again, it might not be: one of
the most serious gamers I've ever known is also an
architect's assistant... he's the best GM I've ever worked
with because his plots are very detailed and he's skilled
at communicating a sense of place). The key phrase with
any RPG or CCG is "It's only a game".
frogs and fishes from Thessaly
"yay! it's noon and I've been up for 15 hours!" :(
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On 21 May 1997, Nytwind wrote:
>
> > When they start telling you how the Prince owes them a Life Boon
> > and how their 5th Generation Brujah can kick your butt in under
> > a second.
> >
> > CW.
> > (Still attempting to roleplay Vtm without killing fellow players)
> >
> You would like our games then. *grin*
> We are currently running a Sabbat Live-Action game.
> Oddly enough...only one character has died...and that was by an NPC's hand.
>
> Nytwind--Yes, sir, I am a gaming geek....if that offends you, I suggest you
> consult my Dice of Utter Destruction and Doom
>
<giggle>
<cheer>
More gaming geeks!!!
Lovez...Roni
(currently playing a Sabbat LARP :)
Fenris, Slayer of Odin
> I like that game, mostly becuase it is possilbe to quite after a few
> hours...whereas with any reasonable size warhammer you're looking at
> most of a day...and RPGs just seem to go on and on...and it makes me eat
> too many cheetos...
I'm going to have to completely disagree with you. Sure, some gamers
make
gaming their life, but some drug users make drugs their life too. No
one
has the right to judge the merit of how I choose to make my existence.
If I want to spend 4 hours a day every day painting little metal men,
then
that is my life and I am proud of it. Don't belittle me or mine.
As it turns out, I *don't* do that, but I think having a hobby like
painting Warhammer miniatures and playing Warhammer is *at least if not
more*
interesting and worthwhile than gorking your brain on IRC for 6 hours a
day.
Fenris
Albatross
Fenris, Slayer of Odin wrote:
>
> > hours...whereas with any reasonable size warhammer you're looking at
> > most of a day...and RPGs just seem to go on and on...and it makes me eat
> > too many cheetos...
>
> I'm going to have to completely disagree with you. Sure, some gamers
> make
> gaming their life, but some drug users make drugs their life too. No
> one
> has the right to judge the merit of how I choose to make my existence.
> If I want to spend 4 hours a day every day painting little metal men,
> then
> that is my life and I am proud of it. Don't belittle me or mine.
Of course, if you had read what Id written you would have found that I
made quite clear that I thought occasional gaming was a good thing. And
if I judge habitual gaming a pathetic waste of life, I'll damn well say
so.
Oooooh. defensive, defensive...sounds like denial to me.
Gamers anonymous, buddy.
Maybe a higher power will help you get over it.
twit.
Albatross
Fenris, Slayer of Odin
First of all Albatross, I don't care for your tone and I think it says
something about your (lack of) character that you would automatically
jump to being hostile.
But if that is the only language you understand, child, then I will
respond in kind.
> Of course, if you had read what Id written you would have found that I
> made quite clear that I thought occasional gaming was a good thing. And
> if I judge habitual gaming a pathetic waste of life, I'll damn well say
> so.
And if I judge your attitude towards others to be telling of your
pathetic existence then I will damn well say so.
> Oooooh. defensive, defensive...sounds like denial to me.
> Gamers anonymous, buddy.
> Maybe a higher power will help you get over it.
> twit.
Piss off.
I'm not interested in defending my life to someone sallow and immature
enough to have nothing better to do than bag on someone else's hobbies.
Maybe someone that games every day doesn't have a life, but someone
that has the free time to criticize a gamer *really really really*
needs to get a life.
Fenris
DnA Dvorkin
> On Thu, 22 May 1997 05:02:15 -0500, D. Robert Hamm
<sy...@cjnetworks.com> wrote:
> >DnA Dvorkin wrote:
>
> >> Way I look at it is, sooner or later, they'll go away. I was part of what
> >> I figure was the second wave of RPG popularity, in the early '80's -- in
> >> those days, of course, it was almost all sit-down stuff like D&D,
> >> Traveller, T&T, Champions, etc., though we did indulge in some Killer now
> >
> >Hey! I remember some of those! I had the old Dieties and DemiGods and
> >all the old Traveller books... (back when they were little black
> >booklets with coloured bands... and before MegaTraveller and such)
>
> Ohmigawd, that's TWO other Goths who have actually played Traveller!
> <*faint*>
Little black booklets, yep.
Hey, what could more Goth than Traveler? You created characters who spent
most of their lives in the cold, black, empty beyond, and then when you
actually got them to the player-character stage (almost wrote "PC" there,
but my, how abbreviations change their meaning) odds were better than
50/50 of them getting killed ... <1/2 g>
> Hmmm... anyone up for a game? Care to join the Traveller Mailing
> List? Seen 4 ed. Traveller yet? ("Marc Miller's Traveller", from
> Imperium Games).
Aaaargh! I don't need another time sink in my life! I don't I don't I _don't_!
--
Daniel Dvorkin
Ian Sturrock
>It sates the desire of the imagination without giving the imagination
>any real nourishment. An occasional gaming session is great, but I
>rather pity people who dedicate a large portion of their lives to it...
>
TV, & can be a waste of time. With the right players, tho`, it can be
great- a magical & learning experience. I like to think that most ag
types are discerning enough that they`d rather not play at all than play
with bad gamers.
Mike Moorcock made similar points to you in an intervies in
_Imagination_- he knew some gamers & liked them well enough, but he
rather thought it a waste of imagination- he didn`t want to get involved
because he felt he`d be using the same kind of ideas he would otherwise
put into novels.
As to wargaming, again, at its best it hones the mind & develops
strategic & tactical skills (I`ve seen a job ad for a defence research
company that wanted wargamers with a science education). At its worst,
which to me includes Warhammer, you get a lot of expensive, arbitrary
fun.
Live roleplaying tho` can be a whole lot better than real life...
There`s nothing better than 18th century pirate roleplaying, especially
with my _Freebooter_ LRP system (plug,plug) at
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/2927/
One of the pleasanter things about pirate LRP is that you get full
license to be very drunk & insulting & offensive, & claim that its all
just playing in character. You also get to wear the prettiest frock-
coats & tricorn hats, and the cup-hilt rapiers & smallswords are so much
classier than the usual LRP Stormbringer-style wavy-bladed runesword
taller than its wielder...
--
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dreamed of cheese... Toasted, mostly." (Ben Gunn)
Al Golagnia
Charlotte Ashley wrote:
>
> Al Golagnia (aar...@design-intelligence.com) writes:
> > Charlotte Ashley wrote:
> >>
> >> "Fenris, Slayer of Odin" (fen...@valhalla.mindspring.net) writes:
> >> >
> >> > I love Warhammer.
> >>
> >> *cheer*
> >
> > on being the Harlequins
> >
>
> Leanan wanna by Harlequins. *pout*
>
> Better still, we could play one of my fucked game variations, and then you
> could be the Wardancers and I can be the Harlequins in the same game. ;)
>
Done! I don't have any stuff though....
a.g
who just likes the idea of violence and dance
Al Golagnia....Manlygoth....Holy instrument of Joy....Housebroken
Albatross
Ian Sturrock wrote:
>
> In article <338680...@fix.net>, Albatross <tpa...@fix.net> writes
> > By and large, gaming goes under the heading of junk food for the soul.
> >It sates the desire of the imagination without giving the imagination
> >any real nourishment. An occasional gaming session is great, but I
> >rather pity people who dedicate a large portion of their lives to it...
> >
> I`m glad you prefixed that with "by & large".
<snip>
Yes, becuase I think the potential is there for it to be a real art.
The I think the fun in and even impulse to RPGing is bascially the
artistic impulse,- to take what is in the imagination and make it
tangible... I do beleive that with the right people you could create
quite a work of art, if you will...
A
Fenris
<snip>
Jealousy's pathetic attempt to irritate me
</snip>
Whatever. Maybe you should pull your head out of *your* ass
and find something more clever to do with your oh-so-wonderful
life than start a flame war that didn't involve you in the
first place.
Marcus Pan
Killing is Killing...whether done for Duty Profit or Fun.... wrote:
>
> Michael Johnson (un...@globalnet.co.uk) wrote:
> : ladyh...@aol.com (LadyHallow) wrote:
> : >I remember cool, intelligent goth gamers. Hell, I still know some, back
> : >home. But where have they all gone?
>
> : Ummm,there's one here <jumping up and down and waving>
> : I know a few in Plymouth,and a couple in London but it seems decent
> : roleplayers are rarer than diamonds these days.
>
> Curious, me and pan where just discussing th every same thing;
> how there is a startling lack of gamers who can bring imagination
> and life into a game. Too many munchkins abound nowadays, they miss
> the point.
>
> omard
> who's considering doing some research on cloning, just so he can
> have multiple copies to distribute to his friends... <sigh>
Munchkins, though cute at first, quickly lose their charm at an
amazingly fast rate. They can end up cheapening the game.
I have managed to teach a few up to a point where they attempt to role
play before swinging, but it didn't last. <sigh> I guess it's a born
talent rather than a learned one?
StealthGoth PAN
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Jack
Albatross <tpa...@fix.net> wrote in article <3388F6...@fix.net>...
>nag...@miavx1.muohio.edu wrote:
<snip>
> > often better even than a good movie
> > (if you're with good friends doing it, esp. if you take time to gab
while
> > you're playing).
>
> Have you never heard the infamous "stop gabbing and get into character"
> rant? :)
>
Yep. Have you ever heard my, "Stop geeking out and get a life you pathetic
little fanboy, we're just doing this for fun," rant? (Delivered to said
geeky fanboy by my 6'2", 215 lb., black leather and spikes clad,
shaven-headed self, in a tone of withering contempt, with an undercurrent
of Alex keeping his droogies<sp?> in line. While the *rest* of my players
give him, "you poor pathetic geek" looks. <g>)
Usually, said anal-retentive fanboy geeks either lighten up, or they drop
out. Enjoying gaming as a hobby is one thing, it's a valid hobby, same as
golf or (ugh) quilting, or running toy trains or whatever, it's vastly more
entertaining than just sitting around and watching TV, but letting it suck
up your whole life is excessive.
There's nothing wrong with spending an afternoon trashing your favorite
city in a Marvel Heroes game, or even having a group of friends you get
together with one night a week to run a campaign with. (Quite frankly,
having an Amber campaign to run probably saved my sanity at one particular
rough point in my life, by giving me *something* to think about other than
my problems at the time.)
The thing you need to look at though, is weather or not that gaming is your
*only* social outlet. Do you do other stuff with the people you game with?
Would you even want to be seen in public with these people? Is the group
you game with all male? (Surprisingly important there. If the gamers you
associate with are too geeky to handle routine interaction with the
opposite sex, you're probably in trouble.) Would you be embarrassed to
bring a cool date along? Are these gaming GT's *primarily* about the
gaming, or about the socialization? Stuff like that.
Actually, I do see your point. The "unwashed, geeky fanboy from hell"
phenomenon was what caused me to generally avoid that sort of thing, and
spend most of my time hanging out in the scene instead. (With inherent
hazards of it's own) The people I gamed with were all outgoing, sociable
people who I had met through the scene, not through gaming. We were very
much *not* typical gamers. I see it as basically just a matter of
priorities and perspective. It's just a hobby. If you treat it as such,
it's no problem.
Jack
Ian Sturrock <i...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<15wAvSAp...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk>...
> In article <338680...@fix.net>, Albatross <tpa...@fix.net> writes
<snip>
> Live roleplaying tho` can be a whole lot better than real life...
> There`s nothing better than 18th century pirate roleplaying, especially
> with my _Freebooter_ LRP system (plug,plug) at
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/2927/
> One of the pleasanter things about pirate LRP is that you get full
> license to be very drunk & insulting & offensive, & claim that its all
> just playing in character. You also get to wear the prettiest frock-
> coats & tricorn hats, and the cup-hilt rapiers & smallswords are so much
> classier than the usual LRP Stormbringer-style wavy-bladed runesword
> taller than its wielder...
> --
Oooo, pirates are *cool*. Have you read Tim Powers _On stranger Tides_?
Canticle
Warhammer is gaming crack, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, even worse than
Magic. I work in a gaming store, and believe you me, if a booster pack
experienced the same inflation of price as a blister of figs from GW, Magic
would have died years ago (for those who are interested: If you took a
comparable price increase across the board for the last 3 years for Magic
as for GW- A booster pack would cost $9.80 US).
How do I know this shit?
Thanks to myself and the manager of our store, we lost Chapter Approval
from GW. Our heinous crime? Pointing out that price increases that were
coming up sucked for the customer, and that the information they were
giving us (the first price increase in X years) was flat out wrong (we had
the receipts and records to prove).
Doesn't pay to be right.
Anyhoos, that being said, Warhammer can be a hoot, though I prefer
Necromunda. I've got myself an Escher gang that's the best looking thing
you've ever seen.
Jeff-boy
Canticle
Fenris, Slayer of Odin <fen...@valhalla.mindspring.net>
: First of all Albatross, I don't care for your tone and I think it says
: something about your (lack of) character that you would automatically
: jump to being hostile.
I think it says a lot for your lack of firing neurons that you still can't
seem to grasp a simple fucking concept.
: Piss off.
: I'm not interested in defending my life to someone sallow and immature
: enough to have nothing better to do than bag on someone else's hobbies.
Grasp this, braniac.
Doing too much of anything is stupidity in itself. Shut yourself off from
life's experiences, and you're a stump. Period. I have no more respect for
a human being who devotes his or her life to a single hobby than I do for a
drone bee in the fucking hive.
: Maybe someone that games every day doesn't have a life, but someone
: that has the free time to criticize a gamer *really really really*
: needs to get a life.
Buy a stamp. Mail for a clue.
I work in a gaming store. I game. A lot. Warhammer, Vampire, MERP, Magic,
Battletech, and a whole whack of shit. I write for gaming magazines.
And guess what? I STILL have time to hang out here, go to bars, find out
what's going on in the world, engage in a pseudo-relationship, flirt,
whine, bitch, moan...the works. I live my life, thank you very much.
Blow.
Jeff-boy
Ian Sturrock
In article <338B2B...@fix.net>, Albatross <tpa...@fix.net> writes
>Ian Sturrock wrote:
>> I`m glad you prefixed that with "by & large".
>
>
> <snip>
> Yes, becuase I think the potential is there for it to be a real art.
>The I think the fun in and even impulse to RPGing is bascially the
>artistic impulse,- to take what is in the imagination and make it
>tangible... I do beleive that with the right people you could create
>quite a work of art, if you will...
>
the Freebooters Alliance & do some pirate LRPing. Mostly it ends up
being the art of comedy, a beautiful & hilarious mix of repartee,
cutting insult & total slapstick, but of course there is tragedy too.
Something about the immediacy of LRP causes character deaths to be more
of a loss than in tabletop stuff... Though I suppose the thought of
having a costume, weapons etc. that were particular to that character &
are now several hundred quids worth of useless baggage may have
something to do about it...
I think what Moorcock was getting at in the interview, & what I
occasionally get frustrated by, is that any form of truly creative,
artistic RPG tends to be rather limited, both in the audience it can
reach & the financial rewards it can reap. Having said that, most other
forms of art are similarly limited, in that unless you get the breaks
*and* have the talent you`re unlikely to really make it big. At least
most other forms of art are recognized for what they are. The general
public is still likely to think of RPGers as sad geeks with no life...
which, to be fair, most of them are (present company excepted of
course).
Kyper
The artist formerly known as Canticle wrote:
>Warhammer is gaming crack, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, even worse than
Yep. I used to play GW stuff. I started when one of the big boxed games
(Blood Bowl, Epic etc.) cost 24.99. That was in 1992. Now, 5 years
later, they've gone up to 49.99. That's a 100% increase in 5 years!?!?
Inflation is round about 2.5-3% in the UK.
My other problem is the dumbing down of the games... 40K used to be
(back when it was just a rule back) a relatively dark game.... now it's
just about all sweetness, happiness and cartoons.
Warhammer (fantasy battle) has gotten ridculously over-powered
(unkillable characters etc.)... and the PRG used to be quite good...
- Aidan (bitter as hell)
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rbisexualobeseanorexicmidgetdevilworshippingcommunistpolyamrousmasochist
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Fenris
> Doesn't pay to be right.
I guess that is a luxury you don't have to pay for very often is it,
genius?
> Anyhoos, that being said, Warhammer can be a hoot, though I prefer
> Necromunda. I've got myself an Escher gang that's the best looking thing
> you've ever seen.
Wow, you are so mighty and impressive, can I feel special just having
read this.
Ian Sturrock
In article <01bc6b09$c90113e0$1ab2...@canticle.mbnet.mb.ca>, Canticle
<cant...@aratar.mb.ca> writes
>
>Warhammer is gaming crack, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, even worse than
>experienced the same inflation of price as a blister of figs from GW, Magic
>would have died years ago (for those who are interested: If you took a
>comparable price increase across the board for the last 3 years for Magic
>as for GW- A booster pack would cost $9.80 US).
Yeah, I`ve been aware of Games Workshop`s crapness for years now... The
transformation was particularly notable in this country, where they
originated as a small, friendly gaming company.
When I started buying Citadel Minatures (about 12 years ago) a typical
25mm figure cost 30 to 40 pence (about 50 to 60 cents). As soon as GW
realized the money they could make on Warhammer & 40K their prices just
went through the roof, with no particular increase in quality.
On the retail side, they pretty much destroyed all the independent
gaming stores by opening up big glitzy branches of Games Workshop in all
the major towns, selling only GW products.
The only GW product that I really ever rated was Space Hulk, which
they`ve pretty much dropped now `cos once you have the game & maybe the
two expansions, you really don`t need to buy anything more... Not good
for business y`know.
I think one of the saddest things about the transformation of GW was the
metamorphosis of White Dwarf magazine from the best all-round gaming mag
to an in-house publication devoted to figure-painting... Some of the
middle issues (about 40-70) were great for stuff like CoC scenarios,
Runequest articles, Traveller ideas etc.
I don`t even think the gameplay of WH or 40K is even worth it, which is
where it loses out to some of the better CCGs.
Eleanor, the Megaflow Junkie
On 22 May 1997 15:29:15 GMT, cyn...@ecci1.com (Cynthia Higginbotham)
wrote:
>On Thu, 22 May 1997 05:02:15 -0500, D. Robert Hamm <sy...@cjnetworks.com> wrote:
>>DnA Dvorkin wrote:
>
>>> Way I look at it is, sooner or later, they'll go away. I was part of what
>>> I figure was the second wave of RPG popularity, in the early '80's -- in
>>> those days, of course, it was almost all sit-down stuff like D&D,
>>> Traveller, T&T, Champions, etc., though we did indulge in some Killer now
>>
>>Hey! I remember some of those! I had the old Dieties and DemiGods and
>>all the old Traveller books... (back when they were little black
>>booklets with coloured bands... and before MegaTraveller and such)
>
>Ohmigawd, that's TWO other Goths who have actually played Traveller!
><*faint*>
in fact it's three....
>Hmmm... anyone up for a game? Care to join the Traveller Mailing
>List? Seen 4 ed. Traveller yet? ("Marc Miller's Traveller", from
>Imperium Games).
saw it in a games shop in London the weekend before last, but I'm not
tempted to buy - currently too much in love with the defunct GDW's
Traveller:the New Era rules...
- Eleanor, THE MeGafLow JUnkiE
transgender: a tired label gender punk: a way of life >8^)
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Canticle
Fenris <fen...@valhalla.mindspring.net>
: > Doesn't pay to be right.
: I guess that is a luxury you don't have to pay for very often is it,
: genius?
More often than not, raisin sack.
: Wow, you are so mighty and impressive, can I feel special just having
: read this.
You should. It's the closest experience you'll ever have with a coherent
thought.
Jeff-boy
LadyHallow
Gruamach wrote:
<<Personally, Cyberpunk (the original, R.Talsorian one) is my game of
choice.
I still do it back home, with my old college mates.>>
Okay, if anyone's interested, they're putting out a new version of this
game, I believe set further into the future, totally nanotech...Gunner, I
know you lurk here, post something about this as you know all.
Cheers,
~Maleficent~
(the doomcookie formerly known as LadyHallow)
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Cynthia Higginbotham
On Wed, 28 May 1997 18:48:54 +0100, Ian Sturrock <i...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <338c1523...@news.enterprise.net>, "Eleanor, the
>Megaflow Junkie" <megaflo...@enterprise.net> writes
>>>Any RuneQuest fans out there?
>>
>>pre-Avalon Hill of course =;)
>>
>I dunno, I have a lot of affection for the Chaosium stuff, but I kinda
>liked the versatility that the AH version allowed, like the Sorcery
>skills & the like.
For a while, AH stuff was really crappy, but when they
dumped the incompetent who had been editing the RQ line,
and <insert name of creator whose name I forget but will
come back to me 5 seconds after I hit send> grabbed back
quality control on the RQ stuff, since then it's been
very good.
I mean, did you see _Doraster_? After all these years,
finally!
--dragoness
--
The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery; you shall not
murder; you shall not steal; you shall not covet," and any other
commandment there may be are all summed up in this, "You shall
love your neighbor as yourself." Love never wrongs the neighbor,
hence love is the fulfillment of the law. --Romans 13:9-10
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Lasky
LadyHallow <ladyh...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970529012...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> Gruamach wrote:
>
> <<Personally, Cyberpunk (the original, R.Talsorian one) is my game of
> choice.
> I still do it back home, with my old college mates.>>
> Okay, if anyone's interested, they're putting out a new version of this
> game, I believe set further into the future, totally nanotech...Gunner, I
> know you lurk here, post something about this as you know all.
> Cheers,
>
> ~Maleficent~
> (the doomcookie formerly known as LadyHallow)
It's already out. The game is called "Cybergeneration" it's on my shelf
(Yes I'm a
gamer geek, sue me). The premise of the game is a runaway nanotech plague
is
mutating the youth of the Cyberpunk society. Effectively, turning an entire
generation
into nano-tech based cyborgs with very advanced capabilities. The PC's
would be
newly mutated teeners.
Of special amusement, to those at alt.gothic, is the clique (Character
subgroup)
of "Goths" that are in the rulebook. They have a clique skill called
"Deathwalk", the
ability to be completely composed in the face of certain death, because
they just
don't care about living.
^ ^
m 0 0 m
* (The kitten is chewing on a ten-sided die.)
Ian Sturrock
In article <01bc6c99$5b5c4120$091337a6@j9575770>, Lasky
<la...@MCI2000.com> writes
> It's already out. The game is called "Cybergeneration" it's on my shelf
<snip>
Yee yes yes but is it any good? I`ve resisted buying it so far `cos I
feared it might be too much like a tacky superhero game.
Jack
Ian Sturrock <i...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<+3MisBAf...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk>...
> In article <01bc6ae9$4bd7f660$3bd557cf@default>, Jack
> <jack@_nospaam_apex.net> writes
<snip>
> >Oooo, pirates are *cool*. Have you read Tim Powers _On stranger Tides_?
<snip>
> Powers is great tho` & I think he has yet to beat _On Stranger Tides_,
> but _The Drawing of the Dark_ comes close. I much prefer the style of
> those two, where he takes real historical events & builds a convoluted
> but consistent fantasy framework around them.
Hm, yeah. After reading one of his books, I frequently find myself running
to the library, looking for historical references. (Which can be trying.
Ask the reference librarian whom I drove nuts, trying to find a book
containing the works of William Ashbless, or autobiographical material
about him.) I still have questions about just which characters in _On
Stranger Tides_ were historical, and which were fictional. (I mean, I
*found* a reference for Sawney, but nothing for Davies. When I'd have
figured it might have been the other way around.) Then again, I don't have
access to the best library in the world.
> I like the low-fantasy
> feel to his stuff, where magick works but pretty much no fireballs etc,
> which always remind me of the worst things about D&D when they come up
> in novels.
> --
Bah. Contemporary fantasy has gotten disgustingly formulaic. I've gotten
so I have to go on carefully selected recommends from friends, since if
read the cover blurbs, I get completely turned off.
> Deadly Ernest
>
> "Such a day, rum all out - Our company somewhat sober - A damn`d
confusion among
> us! - Rogues a-plotting - Great talk of separation - so I looked sharp
for a
> prize - Such a day took one, with a great deal of liquor on board, so
kept the
> company hot, damned hot; then all things went well again." (from the
journal of
> Edward Teach, aka Blackbeard)
Eddie's great, isn't he? <g>
Lisa Hoff
distu...@aol.com (Disturbnce) writes:
>In article <5lskhh$b...@kew.globalnet.co.uk>, un...@globalnet.co.uk
>(Michael Johnson) writes:
>>At the moment I'm trying to get a game of Wraith together,but the only
>>gamers I've found are the abovementioned.
My terrible confession:
I playtested that game!! :) 1st Edition, Dark Spectre test group.
But I haven't found anyone who wants to play it, so I don't know what
rules changed between the very rough draft we used and the final version.
Our group was talked into doing an ENTIRE WEEKEND of playing. We would
call up White Wolf (or they called us) and say "THIS RULE SUCKS!!" or
"What were you thinking?" or "I like this." or "This is too confusing,
could you clarify?" We took breaks for sleeping. Half the time was
spent making characters and discussing those rules and stuff like that.
It was actually a lot of fun...
-Wildfire
--
"Can't say I've ever been too fond of || l-h...@uiuc.edu
beginnings, myself. _Messy_ little ||http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~l-hoff
things. Give me a good ending any time. || (insert disclaimer here)
You know where you ARE with an ending." -Sandman
LadyHallow
In article <01bc6c99$5b5c4120$091337a6@j9575770>, Lasky
<la...@MCI2000.com> writes
> It's already out. The game is called "Cybergeneration" it's on my
shelf
<snip>
Ummmm, actually, no. "Cybergeneration" (which is a travesty) has been out
for quite some time. They're doing an acutal reworking of the Cyberpunk
game, placing "Cybergeneration" in as an alternate timeline, i.e. ditching
the idea.
I'm waiting with bated breath...I love C-punk...
~Maleficent~
(the doomcookie formerly known as LadyHallow)
nag...@miavx1.muohio.edu
In article <5mncib$2...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, l-h...@staff.uiuc.edu (Lisa Hoff) writes:
> My terrible confession:
> I playtested that game!! :) 1st Edition, Dark Spectre test group.
> But I haven't found anyone who wants to play it, so I don't know what
> rules changed between the very rough draft we used and the final version.
> Our group was talked into doing an ENTIRE WEEKEND of playing. We would
> call up White Wolf (or they called us) and say "THIS RULE SUCKS!!" or
> "What were you thinking?" or "I like this." or "This is too confusing,
> could you clarify?" We took breaks for sleeping. Half the time was
> spent making characters and discussing those rules and stuff like that.
> It was actually a lot of fun...
Well, thanks for your efforts. I haven't managed to run Wraith yet (have done
a little bit of everything in my gaming, but not Wraith yet) but having a copy
of the rules I think it one of the better WW games.
losthalo
Disturbnce
In article <19970518054...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
ladyh...@aol.com (LadyHallow) writes:
>I remember cool, intelligent goth gamers. Hell, I still know some, back
>home. But where have they all gone?
There's damn few of'em left. I've been lucky enough to find one (count'em,
one) gothy-type gamer here in Cedar Rapids. I've found a few gamers that
are worth associating with, and some really annoying prats. I'm told
there's an all-adult group playing Earthdawn at M&M, but I've yet to make
a session to introduce myself.
Back in Nashville, there was a huge Vampire LARP going on, but all of them
thought they'd invented darkness and didn't seem to understand there was
more to life than plastic fangs and Marilyn Manson. Ickers.
Unfortunately, the rolegaming community is vulnerable to Sturgeon's Law:
90% of everything is crap.
Disturbance
who settles for finding a few gamers worthy of playing with, whether
"goth" or not
Disturbnce
>At the moment I'm trying to get a game of Wraith together,but the only
>gamers I've found are the abovementioned.
I think the gamers among us need to hit the White Wolf registry and put a
*G* in our description or somesch. That way, we can maybe actually =find=
each other.
Disturbance
Gruamach
Lasky <la...@MCI2000.com> wrote in article
<01bc6c99$5b5c4120$091337a6@j9575770>...
> LadyHallow <ladyh...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19970529012...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> I still do it back home, with my old college mates.>>
> > Okay, if anyone's interested, they're putting out a new version of this
> > game, I believe set further into the future, totally nanotech...Gunner,
I
> > know you lurk here, post something about this as you know all.
> > Cheers,
> >
> > ~Maleficent~
> > (the doomcookie formerly known as LadyHallow)
>
> It's already out. The game is called "Cybergeneration" it's on my
shelf
> (Yes I'm a
Cool, new Cyberpunk!
(Suddenly feeling like a little 15 year old D&D geek...)
--
Charles/Gruamach
http://home.fastrans.net/~gruamach
"Sometimes I laugh just to stop myself from crying."
Ian Sturrock
In article <01bc6cb4$cbb3c2c0$4fd557cf@default>, Jack
<jack@_nospaam_apex.net> writes
>I much prefer the style of
>> those two, where he takes real historical events & builds a convoluted
>> but consistent fantasy framework around them.
>
> I still have questions about just which characters in _On
>Stranger Tides_ were historical, and which were fictional. (I mean, I
>*found* a reference for Sawney, but nothing for Davies. When I'd have
>figured it might have been the other way around.)
Yeah, the Governor was around, & most of Port Royal did fall into the
sea (the remains being modern Kingston), & Teach himself was renowned
for both his contribution to the cocktail world, the Rumfustian (Beer,
gin, sherry, rum & gunpowder...) and his passion for weird games ("Come,
let us have a hell of our own, & try how long we can bear it" before
setting fire to barrels of brimstone in a closed hold...)
Basically, all the historical details mentioned in _OST_ that I`ve been
able to research seem to be accurate. I`m not *sure* about Davies, `cos
I`m at work & only have one off my pirate books handy... but I`m pretty
sure he was one of the captains of Blackbeard`s fleet. Powers seems to
be one of those authors who is very scrupulous with his research, which
is IMHO one of his greatest strengths. I think his technique is to read
up on what he wants to write about, then focus on something that hasn`t
really been satisfactorily explained by historians (Blackbeard`s
incompetent death, & just why the Turks were attacking Vienna in the
first place) & devise his own reasons for those events then build the
story round them. Which to my mind creates the most believable
historical fantasy novels yet written. I like the fact that he`s not yet
fallen into the trap of writing sequels & trilogies & the like too.
<snip>
>
>Eddie's great, isn't he? <g>
Yeah, my other favourite quote of his was summat like "If I didn`t shoot
one of you now & again you`d forget who I was!" just after shooting poor
Israel Hands in the knee.
Other pretty good pirate stuff I can recommend:
_Fanny_ by Erica Jong, great for an insight into the more political,
idealistic pirate crews.
_The Adventures of Ben Gunn_ by R.F. Delderfield, a kinda prequel/sequel
to _Treasure Island_, with some great ideas about the characters of
Cap`n Flint & Long John Silver.
And, of course, the best pirate movie ever, _Muppet Treasure Island_...
--
Ian
"Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious languor, force and fire,
are of us." AL II.20
Soliare
In article <19970526120...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
thes...@aol.com (Thessalia) writes:
>Well, see, I -own- a copy of the original
>_Stormbringer_ game (before it became
>_Elric!_ - not just "Elric", mind you, but
>"Elric-!-"), but I've never gotten to play it.
I've played Stormbringer, a long time ago. It was alright, the character
generation was good fun (choose your deformity!), but the sample adventures
were badly designed. Our GM spent a considerable period of time trying to
stop us going through a mirror that led to an alternate plane of existence,
not as part of a plot, just a hazard.
Tricky to run off the top of your head that one.
Soliare
"I don't care how tall it is, you are not having the shaving foam."
Disturbnce
>But I haven't found anyone who wants to play it, so I don't know what
>rules changed between the very rough draft we used and the final version.
Well, don't worry too much about it as the second edition as done major
revisions in the name of playability. I've always felt that if you could
get some reasonably mature people with an appreciation of the dark
aesthetic together (read: net.goths over 21), you could have a pretty
decent campaign.
Right now I'm busy trying to set up Earthdawn...
Disturbance
who just put up an Earthdawn poster on his cube at work
Black Worm
It's been two years since I have played something. I got a closet full
of all of these games and I don't know what to do with half of 'em
How old are you people? Mabeye I'm just getting to that foretold moment
when I "grow out" of the gaming shit. I don't like the fact. Games kick
ass. I'm just never around enough people or have enough time. I know all
you Goth gamers are out there. You know who you are. stand up
-Worm
Eleanor, the Megaflow Junkie
On 29 May 1997 15:02:24 GMT, cyn...@ecci1.com (Cynthia Higginbotham)
wrote:
>For a while, AH stuff was really crappy, but when they
>dumped the incompetent who had been editing the RQ line,
>and <insert name of creator whose name I forget but will
>come back to me 5 seconds after I hit send> grabbed back
>quality control on the RQ stuff, since then it's been
>very good.
>
>I mean, did you see _Doraster_? After all these years,
>finally!
Hmmm... I'll have to keep an eye out for that.
Still, what they did in the early days (especially with regard to
pricing here in the UK) destroyed any desire I had to buy their stuff.
mordecai
Eleanor, the Megaflow Junkie wrote:
> Alas I haven't played it in years.... it's sat in the cupboard along
> with other oldies such as Gangster, Swordbearer, MSPE and a good 40
> other systems (alright, so I used to be a rules geek - so shoot me =;)
>
Rules geek? I never knew there was such a term. I also have all the
systems mentioned plus many more. Way back when I used to buy every
RPG that I could find. I didn't buy supplements and I almost never
played them, I just loved seeing how the rules systems worked. I would
say that Fantasy Hero was my favorite because of how completely flexible
it was - but it was a lot of work for the GM and played slow as hell.
That brings back many happy memories of going out to the hobby shop each
Friday after school, eager to see what the week's new releases would
bring. They were making games for genres I didn't even know existed. I
never knew how interesting Samurai could be until I got Bushido.
Nowadays it's just yet another in the endless AD&D and White Wolf
streams of supplements.
Boardgaming is in even worse of a decline. Sometimes makes me wish I
lived in Germany, where there seems to be a gaming renaissance going on.
Ian Sturrock
In article <01bc7145$612618a0$aa27e0c3@XBCepi2>, Gruamach <gruamach@SPAM
TRAP.fastrans.net> writes
>
>How about Marrow Project? I spent most of High School wrapped up in a
>heavily modified campaign of that. Loved it!
>
Ah, yes, I really enjoyed that one. Excellent possibilities for genuine
role-playing, so long as you kept away from those nasty power-gamers who
just tried to grow the biggest Marrow...
>
>As for characters getting killed rapidly...try Cyberpunk. My quote for
>that game: You're not a TRUE player till you've lost at least one
>character. Hell, half of the PCs get killed by other PCs..... >:)
>
I love that game for instilling urban paranoia... When I first started
playing in it I was squatting in the worst slum of the city, so I set
the game in the same place, which would really freak out the *players*
as they walked home from late-night game sessions, constantly expecting
to get mugged by a Boostergang or buzzed by an AV-4...