Cell Phone Nightmare
Deviancy
I just figured it's great for emergencies, yeah right.
That was my intent
Figured this way if there was something imporant, the s.o. could ring me or
my parents or someone else in the lil circle.
I turned into a cell phone junkie on the weekend though. I get like
unlimited time then and I just use it wherever I am. Ohmy. Cept in the car
cuz well that just sucks. But I was like in blockbuster and I called from
there to find out what movie I should get. I mean, geezus
Oh well, another sign of adulthood, I'm going to turn into one of those
yuppies soon, the car started this downward spiral, i swear
'Lord' Rev. Dr. Paul Soth
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> Oh well, another sign of adulthood, I'm going to turn into one of those
> yuppies soon, the car started this downward spiral, i swear
No, that doesn't happen untill you get a big SUV for no good reason, you use
more then one parking space for no good reason, and you drive like a
dipshit.
Man, i need a roll of those old 'Die Yuppie Scum' skateboarder stickers from
the 80s.
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Nick/Yaruar
> Figured this way if there was something imporant, the s.o. could ring me or
> my parents or someone else in the lil circle.
>
> I turned into a cell phone junkie on the weekend though. I get like
> unlimited time then and I just use it wherever I am. Ohmy. Cept in the car
> cuz well that just sucks. But I was like in blockbuster and I called from
> there to find out what movie I should get. I mean, geezus
>
> Oh well, another sign of adulthood, I'm going to turn into one of those
> yuppies soon, the car started this downward spiral, i swear
Pah, everyone over here has one, they are the essential part of life in
the UK ;-)
Nick/Yaruar
Sheryl Kirby
> Man, i need a roll of those old 'Die Yuppie Scum' skateboarder stickers from
> the 80s.
I want a bunch of the one that says "I'm changing the Climate! Ask me How!"
I passed an SUV this morning while walking the dog... damn thing was parked
literally on the corner of two sidestreets - at an angle, and was not only
impairing the sightline for turning cars but was blocking the cut in the curb
for wheelchairs, strollers etc to access the sidewalk. I was about to pull out
the cell phone (yeah, yeah, I know, but I live in a neighbourhood where I
regularly come across drug deals gone wrong, and they turn the payphones off
at night to dissuade deals and hookers; it really *is* a necessity, this area
is scary at 7AM) and phone in the traffic infraction, when I noticed a parking
ticket under the windshield wiper. It will go nicely with the one already on
the dashboard. I'm even more frightened by people that know they're jerks and
obviously don't give a damn.
Sheryl
(who is darn tired of showing up at court as a witness to drug deals gone
wrong only to have the case dismissed or have the victim not show up)
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>Deviancy <nit...@haha.com> wrote in message
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>> Oh well, another sign of adulthood, I'm going to turn into one of those
>> yuppies soon, the car started this downward spiral, i swear
>
>No, that doesn't happen untill you get a big SUV for no good reason, you use
>more then one parking space for no good reason, and you drive like a
>dipshit.
>
>Man, i need a roll of those old 'Die Yuppie Scum' skateboarder stickers from
>the 80s.
I still have one of those DIE YUPPIE SCUM t-shirts. Unfortunately
it's in white and the faded bloodstains ( from one of the classic
downhill spills on the old Tony Hawk coffin board ) still show up
under blacklight no matter how much I wash it.
Wonder how hard it would be to find one in black with the same style
of printing ( skulls for the lil dots over the i's )
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Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Deviancy <nit...@haha.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Oh well, another sign of adulthood, I'm going to turn into one of those
> > yuppies soon, the car started this downward spiral, i swear
>
> No, that doesn't happen untill you get a big SUV for no good reason, you use
> more then one parking space for no good reason, and you drive like a
> dipshit.
>
> Man, i need a roll of those old 'Die Yuppie Scum' skateboarder stickers from
> the 80s.
I thank the Powers That Be for iron-on transfer printer media.
do your own art, print it out, iron it on. sure it's less ironic than
corporate-manufactured and syndicate-marketed sentiments of rebellion, but
what the hell.
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Tiny Human Ferret
>
> I finally got one, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
Well, that's it then, I know for a fact that I am now the last man on earth
without a cellphone.
Weep for my impending extinction.
Actually, don't. I can't fucking stand the damned things.
--
kelly, damnit!
> I just figured it's great for emergencies, yeah right.
That is very true. Just a couple weeks ago on the way to picking up a
friend at the Toronto airport I got a flat. Called his cell phone to
let him know I was fine and would be a bit late, and with the help of
some kind Canadian truck drivers my spare was on the car and I was on
my way.
Well, as it turns out, the spare was also flat. As in "miss, your rim
is sending up sparks as you drive" flat (hey, I've never had a flat
tire or driven on a spare, how was I to know?!). So, pulled over on
the side of the road in a city I know nothing about, traffic zooming
by at about 90 MPH, I managed to call a tow truck, and then call my
friend on his cell phone so he could rent a car and come get me.
> I turned into a cell phone junkie on the weekend though. I get like
> unlimited time then and I just use it wherever I am. Ohmy. Cept in the car
> cuz well that just sucks. But I was like in blockbuster and I called from
> there to find out what movie I should get. I mean, geezus
Mine is evenings and weekends unlimited time. I admit, I'm awful. I
use it as a seconf line to make plans to go out, call friends, order
dinner, etc when I don't want to get off IRC.
...kelly, using this google thing to post, since mailandnews.com is
slower than the 90 year old with a cap and Florida plates I was stuck
driving behind this morning.
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Feli
> On Tue, 29 May 2001, Deviancy wrote:
>
> > I turned into a cell phone junkie on the weekend though. I get like
> > unlimited time then and I just use it wherever I am. Ohmy. Cept in the car
> > cuz well that just sucks. But I was like in blockbuster and I called from
> > there to find out what movie I should get. I mean, geezus
I did that as well the first while I had my cell. But after a year, i've
gotten to know how to use it. Then again, seeing as I don't have a land
line into my home, having the cell as my home phone means I use it for
real things a little more often. Also, if it weren't for my cell, I
wouldn't have the job I do right now.
> > Oh well, another sign of adulthood, I'm going to turn into one of those
> > yuppies soon, the car started this downward spiral, i swear
The phones don't do that. It's the double-half caff moccacinos that do
that to you.
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Deviancy
"Tiny Human Ferret" <kla...@clark.net> wrote in message
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|
| Actually, don't. I can't fucking stand the damned things.
That's what I said, last year.
For some reason they inch into your life and you don't know they are there
until it is to late. Before you know it, you have it in your hand and
you're talking about where to go for dinner while you are on the freeway.
I've used them before, had this huge tank of a cell phone for emergencies.
Used it twice, had it for over a year. I don't count that as my first cell
phone tho since my stepdad let me borrow it for my cali to oregon drive. I
just forgot to give it back.
But these newer digital ones, whoah.
I want to hate the damn things, I do. But I get this feeling of security
from it, kinda like my blankie.
If you go down the 5 past woodland, CA. You will notice that the phone
boxes vanish for quite awhile. I'd say about for at least 20 miles if not
more. Now with my luck the cell will hit a wall on this area, but if not
I'll feel better about my trips.
If anyone should hate these things it's me though. Heres a nightmare story
I was on the 5, I had just passed the Sacramento airport, I got under a
freeway overpass and boom, my manual transmission got stuck in first and
then it just burnt from there. We pulled over and I grabbed my cellphone.
The fucking thign wouldn't roam that far, I had to walk to the last known
phonebox to call AAA. The first time I use the fucking cell and it is an
emergency and it doesn't work. I'm guessing the airport or somethign was
blocking the signal, but whatever, that just sucked. Once the tow truck got
us and took us to Woodland, the phone worked fine.
I never saw that car again, the transmission was toast. Rented a car to get
home. My father picked the broken pile up from the mechanic 6 months
later. I don't blame the cell phone on this, I blame the subaru, never
trust a subaru, especially a brat.
If you decide to get a cellphone, hit US Cellular and say I refered you ;)
Yeah, like that will happen
heh
Deviancy
"Feli" <cpil...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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| The phones don't do that. It's the double-half caff moccacinos that do
| that to you.
While i'm on the cell talking to a friend going "hey, man, starbucks has a
cool coffee cup here, it's only 50 dollars, man, should I get it?"
Which reminds me, I need to hit circuit city, get my acuator on my car door
fixed again, 2nd time this week, then starbucks doot da doot
Edward Scissorhands
<kla...@clark.net> writes
>
>Actually, don't. I can't fucking stand the damned things.
Hear hear.
Even though I've always had one since 1995 or so, I hate it. I never use
it, unless it's /really/ important, I'm always forgetting it, and I must
be the only person on earth who really does get the whole standby time.
Still, I want a Nokia 9210 - a communicator, but in colour. I had the
first one, and it sucked, but the new ones are supposedly much better -
and I need a little computery thing, losing my PC for a couple of weeks
basically trashed my work, I couldn't get any of my contacts out to call
:/
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Feli
>
> "Feli" <cpil...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> | The phones don't do that. It's the double-half caff moccacinos that do
> | that to you.
>
> While i'm on the cell talking to a friend going "hey, man, starbucks has a
> cool coffee cup here, it's only 50 dollars, man, should I get it?"
Only $50? get it, man. It's gotta be worth it.
> Which reminds me, I need to hit circuit city, get my acuator on my car door
> fixed again, 2nd time this week, then starbucks doot da doot
*shiver* Starbucks... can't stand their coffee. Gotts be Second Cup or
Tim Hortons for me.
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Deviancy
| Only $50? get it, man. It's gotta be worth it.
Man, I don't know, I mean it has a nice logo on it tho hrmm hehe
| *shiver* Starbucks... can't stand their coffee. Gotts be Second Cup or
| Tim Hortons for me.
THeir fraps, mmmm
Other then that it's Dutch Bros all the way
Tiny Human Ferret
Ya know, comparing trendy coffee shops on your cell-phones officially makes
you Yuppie Scum. Surrender your Goth Cards immediately! Or we'll staple them
to your foreheads.
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>
>"Feli" <cpil...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>| Only $50? get it, man. It's gotta be worth it.
>
>Man, I don't know, I mean it has a nice logo on it tho hrmm hehe
*twitch*
Enjoy your cancer, logo boy.
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Brother Grimm
<kla...@clark.net> wrote:
>Deviancy wrote:
>>
>> I finally got one, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
>
>Well, that's it then, I know for a fact that I am now the last man on earth
>without a cellphone.
>
>Weep for my impending extinction.
>
>Actually, don't. I can't fucking stand the damned things.
woohoo!
Nor can I. I *like* being kind of difficult to get a hold of. I
*like* being able to distance myself from technology. I really like
not being one of those annoying motherfuckers who can't remember to
turn the bloody things off in a classroom, or a movie, or a
resturant...
Though, I would consider getting one if my ring could be the Imperial
March of Darth Vader :).
jennie
>I finally got one, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
>I just figured it's great for emergencies, yeah right.
I still don't have a cellphone, which most of my friends think
is weird. If I were to get one, the above would be the only reaspn, but I
figure I can get by just by having people know where to find me most of
the time and by splitting my emergency duties as Donald's next of kin with
his mother, who can always be found via her office. It's not so much that
I worry about getting sucked into using one all the time as you have, but
if I were known to carry one with me (unless I kept it switched off,
defeating the point) then I'm certain that other people would phone me all
the time, giving me orders and asking favours and so forth. <sigh> I
don't get much time on my own as it is, and what I do get is precious to
me. Since I work from home, the only time I can be completely sure of
being away from work is when I'm out wandering around in the streets,
incommunicado.
>I turned into a cell phone junkie on the weekend though. I get like
>unlimited time then and I just use it wherever I am. Ohmy. Cept in the car
>cuz well that just sucks. But I was like in blockbuster and I called from
>there to find out what movie I should get. I mean, geezus
My former flatmate, Bron, used to be on her phone to people for
two or three hours a night because she got free time. My current flatmate,
Olaf, phones home whenever he goes to the delicatessen to see what the
rest of us would like to eat. It's sweet, but it does begin to dominate
people's lives. I know a number of people who had cellphones given to them
by their parents so they've no excuse for not being in touch. One of them
had very good reasons (violence and so forth) for trying to escape her
parents, and they used the mobile as another means of stalking her,
because even if she kept it turned off they could leave messages.
Personally, I know enough about the way that cellphones work,
and I know enough people working in radiology and radiotherapy, to not
want to expose my body to that on anything like a regular
basis; especially not my brain. People can laugh at this if they
want; after all, people laughed at the scaremongers who said cigarettes
might be a bad idea; but I'll take my chances on going without. If I'm
wrong, I haven't lost much.
Jennie
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Sheryl Kirby
> Nor can I. I *like* being kind of difficult to get a hold of. I
> *like* being able to distance myself from technology. I really like
> not being one of those annoying motherfuckers who can't remember to
> turn the bloody things off in a classroom, or a movie, or a
> resturant...
I think they're about as stupid and evil as the people using them, much like
any modern tool.
Greg and I got cell phones because we had two many occurrences where one of us
having a cell phone would have literally saved the day. We also found we
needed them with regards to events and shows. It helps to be reachable when
the band you're presenting is stuck at the border, and you're out at
soundcheck, etc, not near your home phone.
We've since disconnected our home phone and use the cells exclusively. Really,
all it takes is a little common sense and courtesy. If you remember to turn it
off or switch the ringer to vibrate, if you excuse yourself to have the
conversation and make it brief, honestly, I see no problem with them. I do
have issues with people that plonk them on the table in restaurants ("look at
me, I'm sooo important!!"), talk while driving, wander through the video store
having a prolonged discussion with their spouse (although since we switched
back from evil Blockbuster to the small local video store, this nevers happens
anymore), or get "cellphone loudmouth" while on public transit.
If everyone could discern between discreetly using a tool for emergencies and
appropriate situations and thinking of that same tool as a status indicator
and ego-booster, I think cell phones would lose their bad rap.
Sheryl
(and of course, that will happen when little pink piggies sprout wings and
fly)
Charlotte Ashley
> On Wed, 30 May 2001 10:01:40 -0400, Tiny Human Ferret
> <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
>>
>>Weep for my impending extinction.
>>
>>Actually, don't. I can't fucking stand the damned things.
>
> woohoo!
>
> Nor can I. I *like* being kind of difficult to get a hold of. I
> *like* being able to distance myself from technology. I really like
> not being one of those annoying motherfuckers who can't remember to
> turn the bloody things off in a classroom, or a movie, or a
> resturant...
You're not hard to get a hold of. One just needs to phone your house and
yell throuhg the answering machine until it wakes you up. :)
But agreed. I hate cell phones. I don't really trust them yet, I don't
like the feeling that I'm now suddenly responsible for talking to anyone
who wants to talk to me, anytime, and it feels like it costs too much.
They do have a good emergency value, though.
etc,
charlotte (likes, on the other hand, being able to get hold of everyone
ELSE when she wants to)
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Canticle
"Tiny Human Ferret" <kla...@clark.net> wrote in message
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> Well, that's it then, I know for a fact that I am now the last man on
earth
> without a cellphone.
I don't have one either.
Refuse to get one.
Don't want one.
I have enough problems convincing my friends and family that no I'm not
ignoring them when they call, I never answer my phone if I'm doing something
slightly more urgent at the time. Like I need the additional hassle of a
cell phone.
Besides, 40 years from now we'll be the only guys on the planet without
melon sized cancerous growths above our ears.
Jeff-boy, Eater of Worlds
"No flesh shall be spared"
Brother Grimm
Ashley) wrote:
>You're not hard to get a hold of. One just needs to phone your house and
>yell throuhg the answering machine until it wakes you up. :)
Bah :).
Sure, for the *initiated*.... Try right now, though. I'm on the net,
you can't! And in a few seconds, I'll be gone downtown. You can
leave a message, but I am in control! (No wonder no one calls me :P)
I do have the sneaking paranoia that employers are trying to call me
while I'm using the phone, though :).
>But agreed. I hate cell phones. I don't really trust them yet, I don't
>like the feeling that I'm now suddenly responsible for talking to anyone
>who wants to talk to me, anytime, and it feels like it costs too much.
>They do have a good emergency value, though.
Agreed. And Sheryl made some very good points. I just don't think
it'd be worth it, for me.
>etc,
>
>charlotte (likes, on the other hand, being able to get hold of everyone
>ELSE when she wants to)
Me too :).
Sheryl Kirby
> I have enough problems convincing my friends and family that no I'm not
> ignoring them when they call, I never answer my phone if I'm doing something
> slightly more urgent at the time. Like I need the additional hassle of a
> cell phone.
No one says you have to answer a cell phone any more than you have to answer a
regular phone. Half the time when I go out, I don't take mine with me, unless
I'm expecting a very important call. There's few things urgent enough to
warrant using it obnoxiously. I mean, the thing comes with voicemail. Even if
someone needs to call me and tell me my house is burning down, regardless of
whether they talk to me or not, that fire will rage on. It's not like me
knowing can change any of the circumstances. That's not saying I wouldn't want
to know or it's not important, but getting hold of me via cell phone isn't
going to change anything.
> Besides, 40 years from now we'll be the only guys on the planet without
> melon sized cancerous growths above our ears.
Headset. Much more comfortable as well.
Sheryl
(never in public, though, I'm not a tech-geek)
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Brother Grimm wrote:
>
> > Nor can I. I *like* being kind of difficult to get a hold of. I
> > *like* being able to distance myself from technology. I really like
> > not being one of those annoying motherfuckers who can't remember to
> > turn the bloody things off in a classroom, or a movie, or a
> > resturant...
>
> I think they're about as stupid and evil as the people using them, much like
> any modern tool.
Actually, I had acquired the impression that it was the _people_ using
cellphones who were the modern Tools.
<snips>
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Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Brother Grimm (chris.d...@utoronto.ca) writes:
> > On Wed, 30 May 2001 10:01:40 -0400, Tiny Human Ferret
> > <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>Weep for my impending extinction.
> >>
> >>Actually, don't. I can't fucking stand the damned things.
> >
> > woohoo!
> >
> > Nor can I. I *like* being kind of difficult to get a hold of. I
> > *like* being able to distance myself from technology. I really like
> > not being one of those annoying motherfuckers who can't remember to
> > turn the bloody things off in a classroom, or a movie, or a
> > resturant...
>
> You're not hard to get a hold of. One just needs to phone your house and
> yell throuhg the answering machine until it wakes you up. :)
>
> But agreed. I hate cell phones. I don't really trust them yet, I don't
> like the feeling that I'm now suddenly responsible for talking to anyone
> who wants to talk to me, anytime, and it feels like it costs too much.
>
> They do have a good emergency value, though.
They most certainly do! Anyone into the system can triangulate on your
position damned quickly.
>
> etc,
>
> charlotte (likes, on the other hand, being able to get hold of everyone
> ELSE when she wants to)
But do you like them being able to find you wherever you are?
Of course, if you're not hiding anything, that wouldn't worry you. </evil>
Tiny Human Ferret
You mean we'll have had our craniums removed?
Heh heh.. couldn't resist. Global dominaaaation!
>
> Jeff-boy, Eater of Worlds
> "No flesh shall be spared"
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Charlotte Ashley
> Charlotte Ashley wrote:
>>
>> But agreed. I hate cell phones. I don't really trust them yet, I don't
>> like the feeling that I'm now suddenly responsible for talking to anyone
>> who wants to talk to me, anytime, and it feels like it costs too much.
>>
>> They do have a good emergency value, though.
>
> They most certainly do! Anyone into the system can triangulate on your
> position damned quickly.
Indeed. I mean, if I'm a hundred clicks north of Matawa and I hit a
moose, I want to be able to call someone for help, because fuck knows
there isn't going to be anyone else around. :)
>
>> charlotte (likes, on the other hand, being able to get hold of everyone
>> ELSE when she wants to)
>
> But do you like them being able to find you wherever you are?
I don't see how they could be finding me when I'm calling them. ;) I
meant that in the everyone-but-me-should-have-cell-phones kind of way.
>
> Of course, if you're not hiding anything, that wouldn't worry you. </evil>
It doesn't. :) I'm terrible that way... I know anyone and everyone can
hack my identitty because I keep abysmal care of my privacy... but, well,
who cares?
:)
etc,
charlotte
impslave
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> Though, I would consider getting one if my ring could be the Imperial
> March of Darth Vader :).
Then consider the Nokia (5100 series). The Imperial March is the ringer I'm
using right now, heh heh...
ImpSlave
The Emancipated Slave of the Imperial Senate
Deviancy
| Ya know, comparing trendy coffee shops on your cell-phones officially
makes
| you Yuppie Scum. Surrender your Goth Cards immediately! Or we'll staple
them
| to your foreheads.
hahaha, goths calling another goth a yuppy is cute, especially when most
think goths are teenagers who are from middle class familes or higher. Mind
you that's a stereotype, I'm sure there are those who fall below that level.
Then again it depends on ones definition of gothic, I've seen some gutter
goths as they like to call themselves then i've seen the yuppy ones with the
nice lil cars and the fancy lil homes.
Oh, bah, i'm taking this as a logical shot
I am super yuppy goth, yet i'm broke
Deviancy
| Enjoy your cancer, logo boy.
My cancer? you know I smoke? wow
If you mean by the phone or something, I'm quite aware of that. But what
doesn't cause cancer, mr. sit in front of the monitor boy
Monitors throw off shit some say, while others say office lighting gives
cancer
Fuck cancer, I want death
Whoo i'm goth
Deviancy
I find it quite odd that so many people are anti cell phone yet
pro-internet.
It's basically a similar concept, email over snail mail, cell phone over
house phone. One is just easier to use and quicker then the other.
Laptops, cell phones, the internet, digital tv, cable modems, dsl, wireless,
etc. It's all forms of technology that supposedly is a good thing, from
what I heard. Wasn't it a few threads ago when everyone was pro scientific
research to better our lives? Saying that nature is bleh and that we need
to progress and continue to progress and sometimes accidents happen in the
meantime?
Technology brought us alot of fun things, cell phones is just another one of
those things. The more people who use them means the cheaper it may get,
which is a good sign. I find the cell phone to a very vital tool for
motorists first off, as well as even joggers or walkers. You see some crime
happening, no need to run over to the payphone, you got the cell. Go into
labor? you got the cell, get in a car wreck, cell, flat, cell, etc, etc.
Stuck in traffic, missus waiting on you for dinner? cell.
Sure the users can be annoying, taking calls in the theater etc. But that's
just common courtesy being neglected. I used to blame the product but
that's like blaming the gun. I think they are great for kids if used right,
like they need a ride home from the parents or they get lost or whatever.
But like any great tool theres always going to be some fuckwad who uses it
at a bad time. Like when I was watching some movie at the theater awhile
back, my friends kept going off. Err
Pagers were annoying tho ;). Fucking things, they beep, great you have a
call, now you have to find a phone.
Kind of like having a car without an engine
As for the comparison between the internet and cell phone, they are both
means of communication and are both means of making part of life easier.
But both can be abused, ie: spammers through email, and teens who like to
take calls during a movie.
As for the cancer? bleh
I smoke, I drink, I sit out in the sun for hours without sunblock. It gets
ya most of the time anyways in some form or another. Sure that's ignorant
but I'd rather waste my time using all of my toys and smoking and drinking
then live till 60. Unless i have grandkids, that would suck
Charlotte Ashley
> I find it quite odd that so many people are anti cell phone yet
> pro-internet.
I guess I don't feel as if anyone is beaming waves through my head into my
monitor. From my monitor, maybe. But I find the concept of having
satelites aimed directly at my brain alarming.
>
> It's basically a similar concept, email over snail mail, cell phone over
> house phone. One is just easier to use and quicker then the other.
> Laptops, cell phones, the internet, digital tv, cable modems, dsl, wireless,
> etc. It's all forms of technology that supposedly is a good thing, from
> what I heard. Wasn't it a few threads ago when everyone was pro scientific
> research to better our lives? Saying that nature is bleh and that we need
> to progress and continue to progress and sometimes accidents happen in the
> meantime?
I'm not the sort of person who believes that simply because something
mnakes our lives easier doesn't mean we should use it. Especially not
right away. We shoudl research it, learn about it, develop it. Other
people can even use it if they like. But me... I'm weary....
I like something to have been in use a long time before I make a regular
habit of it.
Except in the case of electronics. SOmehow I find them less threatening.
Neal Stanifer
>
> Deviancy wrote:
> >
> > I finally got one, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
>
> without a cellphone.
>
>
> Actually, don't. I can't fucking stand the damned things.
Nope, you're not the last of a dying breed. You may be dying, but
you're not the last of the breed.
I don't/won't/can't own a cellphone. Even the term makes me all
"ooghie." Cell phone? A phone made up of cells? No thanks.
Seriously, though. (Geez, this is a tough room. No respect.)
I was approached by a sales slug at a computer retail bilk-you outlet
once, and he told me he had a cousin whose friend could get me upgraded
from my 14.4 modem (no shit) to cable access. He said, "You could use
the Internet and still get phone calls." I said "Fuck that for a
racket! What the hell do you think I go on Internet for?" If the phone
doesn't ring, I'm not obliged to answer it.
There are so few private moments anymore. And I'm not talking about
slow, languorous walks on the beach. And I'm not talking about nights
under the stars on a mountainside. I'm talking about the sanctity of
privacy.
Why do so many people feel the need to remain connected with frivolous
conversation 24/7? Sing of adulthood? Hardly.
Neal
siani evans
Deviancy wrote:
>
> I find it quite odd that so many people are anti cell phone yet
> pro-internet.
i don't use the net instead of snail mail though. i use it instead of
the phone.
i do have a cell phone, but i don't just *talk* on it, and i get quite
annoyed if people call me on it without a good reason, or my telling
them to. it's sort of like an emergency thing, ya know?
siani
siani evans
Charlotte Ashley wrote:
> >
> > Of course, if you're not hiding anything, that wouldn't worry you. </evil>
>
> It doesn't. :) I'm terrible that way... I know anyone and everyone can
> hack my identitty because I keep abysmal care of my privacy... but, well,
> who cares?
yeah! seriously, anyone who wanted to find my home address and stuff
could do it bloody easily by visiting canada411.com anyways. i've been
posting on usenet under my own name and giving out my hometown regularly
since i was 14. i've yet to have any trouble from it. i tend to think
that being ultra-private is overrated.
siani
Nick/Yaruar
>
>
> Charlotte Ashley wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Of course, if you're not hiding anything, that wouldn't worry you. </evil>
> >
> > It doesn't. :) I'm terrible that way... I know anyone and everyone can
> > hack my identitty because I keep abysmal care of my privacy... but, well,
> > who cares?
I read something interesting, if a little tengential today. They are
trialing a cellphone game (bit like murder) in sweden I think... Whereby
the location stuff on your phone lets you know when others playing
are nearby and you have to taken they out....
They are bringing it to the UK soon...
Nick/yaruar
Deviancy
"Charlotte Ashley" <bi...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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| I guess I don't feel as if anyone is beaming waves through my head into my
| monitor. From my monitor, maybe. But I find the concept of having
| satelites aimed directly at my brain alarming.
Ah but for all we know we already have those aimed at our head ;), black
helicopters and all.
| I'm not the sort of person who believes that simply because something
| mnakes our lives easier doesn't mean we should use it. Especially not
| right away. We shoudl research it, learn about it, develop it. Other
| people can even use it if they like. But me... I'm weary....
That's what I said about the internet, I tried a few things like Compuserve
and Prodigy and wasn't impressed. So I stuck with bbs's through a terminal
screen for years. I just didn't see the point, it was easier for me to call
someone then send an email and one was free while the net was 20 a month.
But I got hooked eventually. As for the phones, to useful of a tool for me
to pass up. Emergencies is the main reason why it's a great tool but it's
also a nice lil toy to tinker with. It came in handy once again yesterday,
when in the old days I would have had to keep going back to the shop and
bother them at when my car would be done.
I wouldn't worry about the satellites. I mean there was a time when some
thought x-rays were going to give us cancer. Cell phones are fine as long
as you don't abuse them
siani evans
Deviancy wrote:
> I wouldn't worry about the satellites. I mean there was a time when some
> thought x-rays were going to give us cancer. Cell phones are fine as long
> as you don't abuse them
x-rays *do* give you cancer with prolonged exposure.
siani
Deviancy
"siani evans" <sia...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3B166B13...@home.com...
| x-rays *do* give you cancer with prolonged exposure.
Prolonged as in being constantly x-rayed 24/7 ;). This was some rumor that
was created by certain "specialists" and was later tossed aside as pure
rubbish. The prolonged exposure would have to be intense. The typical
x-ray was compared to a certain amount of time in the sun, I forgot what the
exact time was. All I know was that the prolonged exposure would have to be
pretty heavy for it to even be a concern. There are still "specialists" who
like to say Coffee can give you cancer, this is why I don't base my life on
scientific facts, for some odd reason they change daily. Like red meat
intake, coffee, microwaves, etc.
My life sucked due to the fact that my fathers were firefighters/paramedics
and my aunt was like one of the big honchos at one of the big hospitals in
the valley. They all had these facts and these facts always contradicted.
"But this doctor said this.." "But the other doctor said that.."
And all of them use cell phones, one of them is more persistent with the use
though but I think that if there was a health threat that was indeed a fact
they wouldn't do this.
Cancer bothers me
Isn't that a cute, simplistic, moronic statement?
My grandfather died from a tumor that they never could figure out what
caused it. The fuckers misdiagnosed him for years before they even knew it
was a tumor. It gave a mistrust of doctors, but that's besides the point.
One day everything gives you cancer, the next day they say it's good for the
body. One day eggs are a hazards, the next they are fine and then the next
it's in moderate use.
Smoking gives some people cancer to, I've seen it kill people by the time
they hit the age of 55, even the thirties. But yet I know people who are in
their late 70's and they still have no consequences from their chain
smoking.
This can turn into a dif thread though, so I don't want to get to much into
the cancer aspect. I just wouldn't worry about the cell phones to much when
it came to brain tumors, I think there are far worse things out there that
are alot more dangerous and we don't even know it yet. I still won't keep
my cell in my pants pocket tho, even if I'm feeling dandy bout the brain
tumor thing I don't want a satellite pointed at my lower area. Heh, I need
counseling
Curgoth (Matt Andrews)
I don't have a cell phone. One of the things that occasionally tempts
me to get one is this problem.
If I had a cell phone, I wouldn't want people calling me on it.
I would, then, feel no compulsion to be polite towards people who call
me when I'm not expecting a call.
I could, therefore, answer my cell phone with witty things like "What
fresh hell is this?" [1] or "Who dares disturb mighty Cthulu".
OTOH, that might get old after a while, and I'd then be stuck with the
cursed thing. :|
[1] Yes, that's from Dorothy Parker.
--
Dream Well...
Curgoth, who probably shouldn't have eaten that pastry he found in the
hallway.
siani evans
"Curgoth (Matt Andrews)" wrote:
> I don't have a cell phone. One of the things that occasionally tempts
> me to get one is this problem.
>
> If I had a cell phone, I wouldn't want people calling me on it.
>
> I would, then, feel no compulsion to be polite towards people who call
> me when I'm not expecting a call.
>
> I could, therefore, answer my cell phone with witty things like "What
> fresh hell is this?" [1] or "Who dares disturb mighty Cthulu".
>
> OTOH, that might get old after a while, and I'd then be stuck with the
> cursed thing. :|
heh. :) i should start doing that! that would be far more amusing...
i tend to just go "hi. what do you want?" i believe in getting to the
point.
siani
Individuation
<nsta...@igalaxy.net> wrote:
>Why do so many people feel the need to remain connected with frivolous
>conversation 24/7? Sing of adulthood? Hardly.
I love my cell phone.
I was distraught when I got my first one (i'm on my THIRD)
I thought cell phones were for yuppie scum. I would not own one.
I was only 22. I was goth. I worked in a high school.
I couldn't possibly be a yuppie.
But the school I was working at was kinda far away.
The drive was through some unihabited areas (none really empty...just
not lots of homes and stuff) - pretty forests and stuff.
My sister insisted I get a cell phone for safety.
She bought me one.
(Of course she also got it for me because our parents were going out
of town and we had a verrrrry old dog. She wanted to be able to reach
me in case it died... she figured I could handle it better than she
could.)
So I had a cell phone.
At first I didn't use it.
Then on a particularly long dive between the high school and grad
school one day... I called a friend.
The drive flew by.
I am now an adict.
I also like that people can get a hold of me when they need to.
I also like that I get be phoned when I'm on the internet.
I also like that I get 1000 free weekend minutes and free long
distance anytime (I use this phone instead of my ground line for all
long distance phone calls).
I also like that I have a quick 911 call when walking in not so great
areas.
I also like that I can call for help if my car breaks down.
I also like that my parents can reach me in case of an emergency
(they're getting up there in age...I worry).
etc etc etc
Eileen (loves her phone)
Deviancy
"Individuation" <Indivi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| I am now an adict.
| I also like that people can get a hold of me when they need to.
| I also like that I get be phoned when I'm on the internet.
| I also like that I get 1000 free weekend minutes and free long
I got the 1000 thing to
Wanna join my support group, it's for those of us who find long drives easy
thanks to the cell thang.
I think it boils down to the following
1. Do you like to talk on the phone
2. Do you like things that make life easier
3. Do you worry and feel a phone keeps you close so it limits the worry
I love to talk on the tele. And long drives do go by better when you can
talk to someone, I don't need to drag someone with me when I go for long
drives now. As for your other reasons, mine are similar. I want to know if
something bad happens, I don't want my family looking all over for me,
specially since im 700 miles away. I don't want them to hit callwave when
i'm online, it's iffy. I don't want them to get the answering machine. I
don't care if i'm in the theater or getting taco bell, if theres an
emergency I need to know and now I can as long as they remember my tele #.
What did we do before cell phones?
Does it matter, we have them now hehe
jennie
<she...@stainedproductions.com> wrote:
>have issues with people that plonk them on the table in restaurants ("look at
>me, I'm sooo important!!"), talk while driving, wander through the video store
>having a prolonged discussion with their spouse (although since we switched
>back from evil Blockbuster to the small local video store, this nevers happens
>anymore), or get "cellphone loudmouth" while on public transit.
My friend's ex was about as embarrassing as possible with his
two extra-large (when that was still vaguely fashionable) hand-painted
cellphones. He would walk down the street with them swinging out of his
pockets on curly telephone cables, shouting into one or both, being
ostentatious in a way that I would have expected only a toddler to think
was cool. I hated having to go anywhere with him. He was a goth, too, or
at least he dressed that way, so people would still associate us even if I
walked discreetly ten paces behind him.
Jennie
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Webpages at: http://www.triffid.demon.co.uk/jennie
"Do you think I'd be working in a place like this if I could
afford a real snake?"
jennie
<she...@stainedproductions.com> wrote:
>Canticle wrote:
>> Besides, 40 years from now we'll be the only guys on the planet without
>> melon sized cancerous growths above our ears.
>Headset. Much more comfortable as well.
If the transmitter/receiver is within ten feet of one's body
when one uses the thing, there's still a considerable risk. Carrying it at
one's waist just means that the chances of brain cancer are slightly lower
than the chances of kidney cancer.
jennie
>I find it quite odd that so many people are anti cell phone yet
>pro-internet.
They're utterly different things.
I access the internet when I want to. I can ignore it for as
long as I like, and it won't bleep at me in protest. Nobody expects me to
answer email or usenet messages instantly (as it happens, I don't use
chat). When I go out, I leave my internet connection at home, along with
all the work-related stuff which that entails, thus separating me from my
work and giving me temporary freedom from responsibility for it.
>It's basically a similar concept, email over snail mail, cell phone over
>house phone. One is just easier to use and quicker then the other.
It's just as quick for me to make calls using my landline phone
or using a phone box, though I appreciate that this is not the case for
everybody. Since I don't have a car, I am very rarely in places where I
would not be able to get to a phone box in a hurry if I needed to, and
most of the ones in Scotland actually work most of the time.
I like email more than snail mail because my snail mail here is
still horribly unreliable. Our regular postie was an alcoholic, and would
often either lose or appropriate things (I could never be sure); I think
he's been replaced now; I'm hoping the replacement is not just
temporary. This pisses me off because I need snail mail to be able to
work; one can't send manuscripts or pay-cheques (or, for that matter,
Whitby tickets) electronically.
I like communication by email because it means that my messages
are waiting for me when I have the time to answer them. It's better than
people phoning up while I'm on the toilet or busy having sex. And no, I
wouldn't consider using a cellphone on those occasions. ;)
>Laptops, cell phones, the internet, digital tv, cable modems, dsl, wireless,
>etc. It's all forms of technology that supposedly is a good thing, from
>what I heard. Wasn't it a few threads ago when everyone was pro scientific
>research to better our lives?
I'm all for scientific research. That doesn't mean that I
personally am obliged to use all of its products. If research suggests
that something is dangerous, I'll be happy for the research to progress,
in order that a less dangerous solution might be arrived at, but I may
choose not to put myself at risk by using that technology in the meantime.
It's like the human cloning thing. I'm quite happy to see
research continue in that area, and I have no objection in principle to
the cloning of human beings from adult cells, but it's not something which
I would attempt with current technologies because there are still
procedural problems which make it hazardous. My policy would be to wait
until science had succeeded in working around those problems.
>As for the cancer? bleh
>I smoke, I drink, I sit out in the sun for hours without sunblock. It gets
>ya most of the time anyways in some form or another. Sure that's ignorant
>but I'd rather waste my time using all of my toys and smoking and drinking
>then live till 60. Unless i have grandkids, that would suck
Cancer isn't something which just wanders into one's life
someday and kills one quickly. It's a hideous thing to have to live
with. Even untreated, it can take years to be fatal, making life more and
more unpleasant all the time. I've watched people die from a number of
different cancers and I would recommend that anyone who takes the risk
casually go visit the relevant hospital wards sometime and see what it's
really like. It's not a soft-focus soap opera. It's real people, often
young people, feeling constantly weak and sick, screaming in pain, or
unable to scream without coughing up bloody pieces of their own internal
organs in the process.
RazorJAK, the Once & Future Crankygoth
Heh ... anyone remember that horridly made movie from the early 80s
called T.A.G. ( The Assassination Game )
Basically it was to KILLER what Mazes & Monsters was to Dungeons &
Dragons.
RazorJAK
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pixie
wrote:
>
>
>I think it boils down to the following
>
>1. Do you like to talk on the phone
I *hate* talking on the phone. It seems pointless. I am trying to
teach every person I know to email, email, email. Unless they live far
away and I never see them, in which case, I like talking to them, for
a limited amount of time. =)
>2. Do you like things that make life easier
Who doesn't? ^_^ I was about to get a cell phone, so I could stay
online all day and still get job interview calls... but in order to
get the free phone, I had to sign a year contract. And I do not plan
on being here in a year, thusly, rendering a CT phone number useless
to me.
pixie
--
"In conclusion, I have dominated the world and you are
all my faithful servants. Goodbye."
Curgoth (Matt Andrews)
But, where's the /punishment/ in that? I firmly believe that people
who frivolously call one's cell phone ought to be made to suffer for it.
--
Dream Well...
Curgoth
jennie
>"siani evans" <sia...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:3B166B13...@home.com...
>| x-rays *do* give you cancer with prolonged exposure.
>Prolonged as in being constantly x-rayed 24/7 ;). This was some rumor that
>was created by certain "specialists" and was later tossed aside as pure
>rubbish. The prolonged exposure would have to be intense.
There isn't a set point at which x-rays cause cancer, such that
they're completely safe up until that point. Basically, the more x-rays
one is exposed to, the greater one's chance of developing a cancer. Four
hours of radiotherapy, which is basically just intensive x-ray treatment,
is as much as most doctors will ever consider giving to one patient in a
lifetime; Donald underwent that level of exposure in order to kill off his
immune system, and it nearly killed the rest of him too. Patients who have
been exposed to that amount of radiation are likely to develop at least
one cancer every five years or so. X-ray damage is cumulative, so having
lots of x-rays for different things throught the course of one's life will
also increase one's risk of developing cancer.
>And all of them use cell phones, one of them is more persistent with the use
>though but I think that if there was a health threat that was indeed a fact
>they wouldn't do this.
Not in the least. People make personal choices. People who've
seen their loved ones die of lung cancer after heavy smoking still reach
for their cigarettes. Medical professionals are no exception.
>Smoking gives some people cancer to, I've seen it kill people by the time
>they hit the age of 55, even the thirties. But yet I know people who are in
>their late 70's and they still have no consequences from their chain
>smoking.
Again, smoking doesn't _give_ people cancer, it increases the
risk. Cancers can happen to anybody, but they are more likely to happen to
people who are exposed to particular substances or circumstances. Thetre
will always be some smokers who are lucky, and get away with it, just as
there will be some non-smokers who are unlucky.
Deviancy
"jennie" <jen...@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Again, smoking doesn't _give_ people cancer, it increases the
| risk. Cancers can happen to anybody, but they are more likely to happen to
| people who are exposed to particular substances or circumstances. Thetre
| will always be some smokers who are lucky, and get away with it, just as
| there will be some non-smokers who are unlucky.
|
Exactly
Some of these things increase your luck at getting something wonderful, like
a tumor the shape of a ufo.
After losing a few people who were close to me to cancer, after seeing the
years of suffering it caused I went into a shell. When I came out I came
out with the decision that I will live my life with the things i enjoy, ie:
smoking, cell phone, sitting close to the tv, back when ate red meat I still
ate it. The meat thing I cut off of my life was never for health reasons,
as i'm sure you know from my previous threads....
I won't be a blonde and say I'll never get cancer cuz cancer is something
only silly people get
Nor will I be the type of person that says, Cancer? so what, I'll deal
I wouldn't deal, I'd off myself right there and then if I knew that the
treatments were just going to prolong my life but not cure the cancer.
That's why in the love thread I said I had no issues with those who take
their lives. I am commiting a slow form of suicide by smoking, I know this.
And I know when my time is near and the hole in my throat is coming and it's
either that or a bullet, it will be the bullet. I'm not shitfacing you
here, I made that decision years ago and stuck with it. I believe in living
life to the fullest and best. Diets, working out, jogging, eating healthy,
bleh, I want to enjoy my life I want to enjoy my alternatives without
fearing some dreaded thing like Cancer. It's horrible what it does to
people, seeing them so full of life then watching them turn into something
else, or fighting it with all of their heart and still falling to it.
God forbid anyone else I love comes down with a form of cancer. God forbid
I have children and they have to see me fall like that, but damn me, i'm
selfish and I want to do my thing.
Why are all the fun things dangerous?
Sex = hiv, pregnancy, losing ones cherry, that just sucks. Now why cantcha
keep it, it never did oh fuck this
Smoking = cancer, emphezyma? cripes, I can't spell it
drinking = liver failure (if abused, but that's when it's fun hehe)
tv = cancer, rikki lake
sunbathing = cancer
driving = car wrecks
cellphones = cancer, car wrecks
Etc, etc
Some of the above can be preventive, but theres always a risk of the above.
And I'm just sick of it. To be totally honest, I didn't even think about
cancer when i got the phone. I just became oblicious to cancer, I don't
want to think of it, I don't want to worry about it. I love life but I love
it because of the way I live it. And although cancer is a risk on many of
the things I do, I just get it out of my mind.
Edward Scissorhands
<jen...@triffid.demon.co.uk> writes
>It's better than
>people phoning up while I'm on the toilet or busy having sex.
If anyone ever phones me when I'm having sex, it'll be a bloody miracle
;)
EdwardS (who has a 3310 with various covers - white for when I'm wearing
white, green to match my car, and the original blue one. I can't find a
nice black one, only cheapo ones. I hardly use it, but I do carry it
around. Will I get knee cancer because it's usually in the lower pocket
of my camos?)
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Deviancy
"pixie" <ei...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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| I *hate* talking on the phone. It seems pointless. I am trying to
| teach every person I know to email, email, email. Unless they live far
| away and I never see them, in which case, I like talking to them, for
| a limited amount of time. =)
I'm a talker, I love to talk, talk, talk
I have a record of being on the phone on three seperate occasions and
hitting the over 10 hour mark. Yeah, I could have just driven there and
talked but then I wouldn't have all of my toys near me. Email is great for
certain things but some people are damn slow at replying due to the fact
that they don't have a 24/7 connection to the net, while they always have a
phone nearby. When I need to ask a question i need an answer asap sometimes
and email doesn't cut the water when it comes to that. ICq is great though,
but it's filtered at work now, christ.
| Who doesn't? ^_^ I was about to get a cell phone, so I could stay
| online all day and still get job interview calls... but in order to
| get the free phone, I had to sign a year contract. And I do not plan
| on being here in a year, thusly, rendering a CT phone number useless
| to me.
I'm on for a year, that made me a bit edgey, it's all fun and games now but
what if I do get off this high ya know
I bail, thats what I do. I leave them the phone and when they say i'm
breaking the agreement I start pretending like I forgot english. There are
loopholes in most of those agreements, but that takes time. Oh i'm sure
i'll still want it for emergencies though
Charlotte Ashley
> In article <slrn9hca0m...@triffid.demon.co.uk>, jennie
> <jen...@triffid.demon.co.uk> writes
>>It's better than
>>people phoning up while I'm on the toilet or busy having sex.
>
> If anyone ever phones me when I'm having sex, it'll be a bloody miracle
People are always knocking on my door during sex.
My sister doesn't know to take a muffled "what?" as a "jesus, get lost" yet.
phones are much easier to ignore.
Sheryl Kirby
> Why are all the fun things dangerous?
>
> Sex = hiv, pregnancy, losing ones cherry, that just sucks. Now why cantcha
> keep it, it never did oh fuck this
> Smoking = cancer, emphezyma? cripes, I can't spell it
> drinking = liver failure (if abused, but that's when it's fun hehe)
> tv = cancer, rikki lake
> sunbathing = cancer
> driving = car wrecks
> cellphones = cancer, car wrecks
You've forgotten hair dye (especially reds and blacks... that's almost all of
us at some point, isn't it?) and PVC. Yep, good ol' PVC *fabric* has been
linked to cancer, especially when it's heated. Bet all you guys with PVC pants
and a penchant for letting the boys swing free are sweating bullets now
aren'tcha?
The problem is that most of these "findings" are based on single studies and
then make the rounds of media as undisputable fact. Then another study comes
along that refutes the first study. Remember the 80s and oat bran? It was
supposed to ward off disease, clean your carpet and get you a date for your
cousin's wedding. Or not, since most of the benefits were later proven to be
false.
There was just a study released in North America indicating that cell phones
positively absolutely do not cause cancer. No idea as to how much spin is
behind is since no one reporting it is releasing the info on who paid for it.
*shrug* If it's not one thing it's another.
Sheryl
(who is going to die of lung cancer anyway, not from the smoking, but from
living for four years in an asbestos filled studio space. When you're young
and foolish, you're totally willing to sacrifice your health for 40 foot high
cedar ceilings)
--
I am tired, and we are tired, of being sold a packaged lifestyle, when all
that is actually for sale is a goddamned double-double and a snack.
http://www.toronto-underground.com
A web directory for the rest of us.
siani evans
"Curgoth (Matt Andrews)" wrote:
> >heh. :) i should start doing that! that would be far more amusing...
> >i tend to just go "hi. what do you want?" i believe in getting to the
> >point.
>
> But, where's the /punishment/ in that? I firmly believe that people
> who frivolously call one's cell phone ought to be made to suffer for it.
well, i'm actually pretty nice to people occasionally. believe it or
not! if they don't have a good answer to "what do you want?" then they
get treated to my chillier side.
siani
siani evans
Sheryl Kirby wrote:
> Sheryl
> (who is going to die of lung cancer anyway, not from the smoking, but from
> living for four years in an asbestos filled studio space. When you're young
> and foolish, you're totally willing to sacrifice your health for 40 foot high
> cedar ceilings)
asbestos isn't actually particularly dangerous unless it's being
disturbed. it's just that when disturbed it releases millions of tiny
little fibres which you inhale. we had asbestos in my high school, too.
siani
Sheryl Kirby
> asbestos isn't actually particularly dangerous unless it's being
> disturbed. it's just that when disturbed it releases millions of tiny
> little fibres which you inhale. we had asbestos in my high school, too.
It covered very large, approximately 70-year-old steam pipes that ran through
our unit. When the heat came on the pipes would shake back and forth and large
chunks of the stuff would fall off in the middle of our living room floor. It
was *definitely* being disturbed.
Sheryl
siani evans
Sheryl Kirby wrote:
> It covered very large, approximately 70-year-old steam pipes that ran through
> our unit. When the heat came on the pipes would shake back and forth and large
> chunks of the stuff would fall off in the middle of our living room floor. It
> was *definitely* being disturbed.
eek. last place i stayed the furnace had been "fixed" with large
amounts of asbestos... i figure it's bloody lucky i never smoke, just
to even out my chances. :)
siani
jennie
<she...@stainedproductions.com> wrote:
>us at some point, isn't it?) and PVC. Yep, good ol' PVC *fabric* has been
>linked to cancer, especially when it's heated. Bet all you guys with PVC pants
>and a penchant for letting the boys swing free are sweating bullets now
>aren'tcha?
From what I remember of that study, PVC itself wasn't
blamed; rather, overheating the testicles was blamed for increasing the
risk of testicular cancer, and it was noted that wearing PVC could cause
that overheating. Presumably wearing PVC jeans to a club once a week might
still be safer than, say, living in a really warm humid climate or sitting
badly and having bad hygeine.
As with many of these things, the most important way one can
preserve oneself is to regularly check for lumps, and go to the doctor if
there's anything suspicious. Many men still don't know to do this with
their testicles, or feel too embarrassed about it.
>The problem is that most of these "findings" are based on single studies and
>then make the rounds of media as undisputable fact.
That's true; there is, however, more evidence for some links
than for others; there are areas in which numerous studies have been
conducted in the same area by different groups. An informed member of the
public can make sensible decisions by weighing the available data, which
is probably wiser than either following the fads or doing nothing.
jennie
<cur...@ashes.ca> wrote:
>But, where's the /punishment/ in that? I firmly believe that people
>who frivolously call one's cell phone ought to be made to suffer for it.
Some sort of radio-triggered electric shock mechanism built into
phones in general would seem to be in order...
jennie
>People are always knocking on my door during sex.
When people phone me at such times, my flatmates knock on the
door. Fortunately (and sometimes surprisingly) they are all capable of
taking a hint and being tactful. After all, it may one day be their lives
on the line when Catholic parents call at the wrong time. ;)
Sheryl Kirby
> From what I remember of that study, PVC itself wasn't
> blamed; rather, overheating the testicles was blamed for increasing the
> risk of testicular cancer, and it was noted that wearing PVC could cause
> that overheating. Presumably wearing PVC jeans to a club once a week might
> still be safer than, say, living in a really warm humid climate or sitting
> badly and having bad hygeine.
Must have been a different study. This one had to do with the potentially
carcinigenic chemicals used in the process of making PVC. Heating the plastic
(which is what it is really) apparently releases those carcinogens into the
air and the skin if it's clothing.
> >The problem is that most of these "findings" are based on single studies and
> >then make the rounds of media as undisputable fact.
>
> That's true; there is, however, more evidence for some links
> than for others; there are areas in which numerous studies have been
> conducted in the same area by different groups. An informed member of the
> public can make sensible decisions by weighing the available data, which
> is probably wiser than either following the fads or doing nothing.
Sure, to some extent, but I think it's tough for most people to keep up. Greg
works at Cancer Care Ontario and says that even the cancer researchers have a
hard time keeping up with newly released studies that contradict previous
studies. Which can be a real pain when you have to decide whether to change
the way you manipulate the data. And from their point of view, most of the
research currently being done is in the area of genetics, not outside
influences, so most of the studies you hear about in the news are independent
studies, usually done by universities, etc. They're seldom taken into
long-term consideration by world-wide cancer research facilities. All the big
bucks are getting funnelled into genetics.
Sheryl
Sheryl Kirby
We looked into having it removed/covered, but it was hugely expensive. And
since it was an illegal studio, rented for "working" and not living, we had no
legal rights to make the landlord do anything to fix it.
Sheryl
(hoping they'll have perfected lung transplants by the time hers fail her)
Deviancy
| On Thu, 31 May 2001 20:17:38 GMT, Sheryl Kirby
| preserve oneself is to regularly check for lumps, and go to the doctor if
| there's anything suspicious. Many men still don't know to do this with
| their testicles, or feel too embarrassed about it.
I was tested for it at one time, swore that's what it was, as did the docs.
Thankfully it wasn't. The medicine was fun tho, great stuff. I wish I
still had some of those pain killers, the other shit was trippy to though.
I blame this on all of my years of wearing buttrawk jeans that were to
tight.
Serioulsy though, the age range on teste cancer is weird. And the minute
you are out of the range you have like a two year break before you hit the
prostate cancer chapter. Life is fun, eh? Although I would rather lose a
nut then lose the use of it all, so i'll take the testes cancer over the
prostate. Another doc told me years ago that tighty whiteys were really bad
depending... So those are a no no. Tried boxers, they were great but a lil
to open for me, so oh christ fuck this underwear conversation...
I'd recommend a checkup every year at least till you're out of the range.
So a doctor feels your thang up, so what. I dunno why men would be
embarrassed by this, women have to do this shit with their breasts. Another
sign of testes cancer is if you hang low, it isn't always blueballing it or
forgetting to wear drawers for a few weeks. The lumps can cause one of the
testes to swell causing a lil unbalanced weight.
I read up on this shit cuz it spooked me
As for my pvc shite, I hardly wear it anymore. I feel more comfy in a pair
of black jeans, boots and mesh. Pvc just doesn't breathe worth shit, tried
it a few times and finally tossed em in the closet. *sigh* I need some new
outfits, hot topic doesn't have shit and the gothy clothing store now only
carries capri pants and other assorted forms of shit. I really need to open
up my store soon, who wants to give me a loan?
C'mon there has to be a few born wealthy goths here
Deviancy
"Sheryl Kirby" <she...@stainedproductions.com> wrote in message
news:3B16BB71...@stainedproductions.com...
| We looked into having it removed/covered, but it was hugely expensive. And
| since it was an illegal studio, rented for "working" and not living, we
had no
| legal rights to make the landlord do anything to fix it.
I know that in California there are some restrictions on absestos. The one
thing you could pull is borrow a child and pretend it's yours ;). For some
odd reason that would probably help in a case against the landlord, that is
if you want a fix.
Speaking of lawyers, I hate McVeighs lawyers right now so i'm going to go on
a anti-lawyer strike until that boy gets his fix
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> "Tiny Human Ferret" <kla...@clark.net> wrote in message
> news:3B1525E7...@clark.net...
> | Ya know, comparing trendy coffee shops on your cell-phones officially
> makes
> | you Yuppie Scum. Surrender your Goth Cards immediately! Or we'll staple
> them
> | to your foreheads.
>
> hahaha, goths calling another goth a yuppy is cute, especially when most
> think goths are teenagers who are from middle class familes or higher. Mind
> you that's a stereotype, I'm sure there are those who fall below that level.
> Then again it depends on ones definition of gothic, I've seen some gutter
> goths as they like to call themselves then i've seen the yuppy ones with the
> nice lil cars and the fancy lil homes.
>
> Oh, bah, i'm taking this as a logical shot
>
> I am super yuppy goth, yet i'm broke
You cannot rightly call yourself super yuppie scum unless you're broke on
U$100,000 a year and can blame it all on the high interest you pay on those
damned student loans for Harvard.
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Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret (kla...@clark.net) writes:
> > Charlotte Ashley wrote:
> >>
> >> But agreed. I hate cell phones. I don't really trust them yet, I don't
> >> like the feeling that I'm now suddenly responsible for talking to anyone
> >> who wants to talk to me, anytime, and it feels like it costs too much.
> >>
> >> They do have a good emergency value, though.
> >
> > They most certainly do! Anyone into the system can triangulate on your
> > position damned quickly.
>
> Indeed. I mean, if I'm a hundred clicks north of Matawa and I hit a
> moose, I want to be able to call someone for help, because fuck knows
> there isn't going to be anyone else around. :)
You wacky Canadians! How can you stand having a government you can't be
paranoid-of?
If you were in the US, you'd have some sort of sneaky suspicion that some
coked-up bureaucrat somewhere had been tracking you with your cell-phone's
built-in GPS, and that that was no natural moose, it was delgadoed[1] in
front of you for a likely-looking demise.
Footnote:
1. One Jose DelGado, PhD, pioneered "electrical stimulation of the brain
("ESB")[2] and was noted for some extremely outre' testimony he once gave
the US Congress, to the effect that everyone should have ESB controls
installed to create "the perfect society".
2. Also infamous for doing ESB to the sleep centers of a bull[3], which
would pass out in mid-charge when the ESB current was activated by radio
control.
3. Not a far leap of the imagination from a bull to a moose, now is it then?
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Charlotte Ashley wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Of course, if you're not hiding anything, that wouldn't worry you. </evil>
> >
> > It doesn't. :) I'm terrible that way... I know anyone and everyone can
> > hack my identitty because I keep abysmal care of my privacy... but, well,
> > who cares?
>
> could do it bloody easily by visiting canada411.com anyways. i've been
> posting on usenet under my own name and giving out my hometown regularly
> since i was 14. i've yet to have any trouble from it. i tend to think
> that being ultra-private is overrated.
So, Google is back up? Cool! We'll all be right over.
>
> siani
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> On Thu, 31 May 2001, siani evans wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Charlotte Ashley wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Of course, if you're not hiding anything, that wouldn't worry you. </evil>
> > >
> > > It doesn't. :) I'm terrible that way... I know anyone and everyone can
> > > hack my identitty because I keep abysmal care of my privacy... but, well,
> > > who cares?
>
> trialing a cellphone game (bit like murder) in sweden I think... Whereby
> the location stuff on your phone lets you know when others playing
> are nearby and you have to taken they out....
>
> They are bringing it to the UK soon...
Well fukme then. Now read this, okay?
http://www.earthops.org/loaded.html
The English Composition term composition that got me run out of the
University Of Maryland.
Enjoy and lemme know what you think.
>
> Nick/yaruar
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> On Thu, 31 May 2001 16:00:53 +0100, Nick/Yaruar
> <yar...@twisted.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 31 May 2001, siani evans wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Charlotte Ashley wrote:
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > Of course, if you're not hiding anything, that wouldn't worry you. </evil>
> >> >
> >> > It doesn't. :) I'm terrible that way... I know anyone and everyone can
> >> > hack my identitty because I keep abysmal care of my privacy... but, well,
> >> > who cares?
> >
> >I read something interesting, if a little tengential today. They are
> >trialing a cellphone game (bit like murder) in sweden I think... Whereby
> >the location stuff on your phone lets you know when others playing
> >are nearby and you have to taken they out....
> >
> >They are bringing it to the UK soon...
>
> Heh ... anyone remember that horridly made movie from the early 80s
> called T.A.G. ( The Assassination Game )
Yeah, I wrote it and didn't get paid a fucking cent.
siani evans
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > yeah! seriously, anyone who wanted to find my home address and stuff
> > could do it bloody easily by visiting canada411.com anyways. i've been
> > posting on usenet under my own name and giving out my hometown regularly
> > since i was 14. i've yet to have any trouble from it. i tend to think
> > that being ultra-private is overrated.
>
> So, Google is back up? Cool! We'll all be right over.
google what?
you're welcome to try to visit me, and you'll get the exact same
treatment as any of the other people i don't know who come to my door.
:)
siani
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> I find it quite odd that so many people are anti cell phone yet
> pro-internet.
>
> It's basically a similar concept, email over snail mail, cell phone over
> house phone. One is just easier to use and quicker then the other.
Not at all.
Internet, UseNet at least, generally-speaking simply isn't a virtual-reality
as are telephones and cellphones. Most people use the more
intellectually-intensive InterNet functions in a relatively private mode,
not dissimilar to the way that people use the Library. There might be a lot
of people in the Library -- inhabiting the same physical space -- but even
if forced to sit at social-interaction distances, they're in their own
little "virtual privacy bubble", as per cultural standard. (please please
tell me you're not one of those despicable fucktards that goes to the
Library to socialize!)
Telephones are so embedded into the culture that people act as if they're
having a conversation with the person using the other end of the telecomm
network; even though they can't see each other or their respective
surrounds, people on the telephone act as if they were sharing social space
in a common surround. It's even worse on the cellphone, since generally
private telephones are used in a private space, and a protocol has entered
society whereby someone on the phone commonly slightly engages anyone
physically present who is within earshot, else the person not party to the
conversation generally withdraws from earshot. (at least in my family
culture, that's how we do it -- though my sister out west has raised a brat
that actually puts private calls on the speakerphone when guests are over
who don't know the person on the other end of the phone, and doesn't notify
people they're on a speakerphone.)
Cellphones, however, bother me mostly because people -- who had a moment
before been totally public people -- suddenly are in their own little
worlds, and appear to think others ought to respect that. You know, the sort
of person whose cellphone goes off in a restaurant and picks it up and asks
people "can you hold it down, I'm trying to talk here..."
And don't even get me started about what I think about people who talk on a
cellphone while driving.
> Laptops, cell phones, the internet, digital tv, cable modems, dsl, wireless,
> etc. It's all forms of technology that supposedly is a good thing, from
> what I heard. Wasn't it a few threads ago when everyone was pro scientific
> research to better our lives? Saying that nature is bleh and that we need
> to progress and continue to progress and sometimes accidents happen in the
> meantime?
You have to always examine the impact of technology on people's lives...
http://www.earthops.org/fall-1.html
You know, we do almost have beltcom... http://www.earthops.org/beltcom.html
(c) by me of course back in 1994 and 1995.
>
> Technology brought us alot of fun things, cell phones is just another one of
> those things. The more people who use them means the cheaper it may get,
> which is a good sign. I find the cell phone to a very vital tool for
> motorists first off, as well as even joggers or walkers. You see some crime
> happening, no need to run over to the payphone, you got the cell. Go into
> labor? you got the cell, get in a car wreck, cell, flat, cell, etc, etc.
> Stuck in traffic, missus waiting on you for dinner? cell.
Addict. I can only wonder what the hell will happen to you when the
Xybernaut is as inexpensive as the average cellphone. I shudder to think.
<snips meandering>
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> "Deviancy" (SD...@sdfkjhdsf.com) writes:
> > I find it quite odd that so many people are anti cell phone yet
> > pro-internet.
>
> monitor. From my monitor, maybe. But I find the concept of having
> satelites aimed directly at my brain alarming.
Heh heh.
Clever engineer leave special circuit, enter special code from government or
mafia, kapoof say big capacitor, transient overload from cellphone precisely
cook specific braincell! Interferometry from multiple cellphone always track
precise geometry, long term data collection provide precise brain mapping
with high detail.
One day every bad capitalist get phone call same time, satellite say send
special code, capacitor go poof, all bad capitalist set down cellphone and
speak as one persion
ALL YOU BASE ARE BELONG TO US.
<what happened?>
<some one set us up the bomb.>
Fireraven9
snip
>ALL YOU BASE ARE BELONG TO US.
>
>
><what happened?>
>
><some one set us up the bomb.>
It would make a good story! Heh heh!
Blessings of the Midsummer Season!
Fireraven9
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GothicGardeners
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GardeninginNewMexicoandColorado
Deviancy
| little "virtual privacy bubble", as per cultural standard. (please please
| tell me you're not one of those despicable fucktards that goes to the
| Library to socialize!)
Nope, I hate libraries because others are using them to socialize. I've yet
to go to one that doesn't have a half dozen teens just using it as an exuse
to get out of their parents home, they use it as the meet up then they split
from there. I'm more of a comic geek then a book geek anyways. I like to
socialize in my climate, be around my surrroundings. Which makes the cell
nice and the net. I can stay close to my territory, ie: my car, be near my
desk, whichever. I am kinda shy I guess.
|
| Telephones are so embedded into the culture that people act as if they're
| having a conversation with the person using the other end of the telecomm
| network; even though they can't see each other or their respective
Well you gotta remember you are dealing with a guy who's going to be
marrying the girl he met online and the one i've been with for a few years
now. There was a time when all we had was the telephone and online since we
were 700 miles apart. So yeah, the phone and shit like that became
important. I think of the phone like I think of a book vs. a movie. In the
movie I get to see and hear what they are saying, in the book I have to use
my imagination. With the phone I just have to think of them in my head and
talk to them via the phone. Mind you, this is different then the cell, I'm
not thinking about the person i'm talking to while driving.
|
| Cellphones, however, bother me mostly because people -- who had a moment
| before been totally public people -- suddenly are in their own little
| worlds, and appear to think others ought to respect that. You know, the
sort
| of person whose cellphone goes off in a restaurant and picks it up and
asks
| people "can you hold it down, I'm trying to talk here..."
I hate those kinds of people, i'm new to this but what I do well, heres an
example. We wanted to see Judgement Night, so I went to blockbuster. Our
blockbusters don't carry it anymore, so I decided I'd call her to see if
there was an alternative. I went and hid in a private little corner so I
wouldn't bother everyone else. I am still very private with my phone
conversations, I will not take a call in the middle of public then stare
noisy people down. I will try to take the call someplace secluded. Unless
it's that emergency call, which I prefer not to get.
| And don't even get me started about what I think about people who talk on
a
| cellphone while driving.
I won't ask, since i'm guessing it's similar to the one I had prior to
becoming an addict. But I do think there are numerous road hazards and
cells are just one of the many. So I figured before I made cell phone
drivers a enemy i'd look and see what others are a hazard, like those who
scream at their kids while they are on the road and fail to see that yellow
hit red. Or teenagers who stick their heads and feet out the window to look
cool, ok, those are a bit more rare. Hehe, I just despise most drivers,
when i'm on the road everyone else is just in the way. I'm a selfish
bastard driver usually, unless it's a old couple, I usually slow down or
brake to let them out of parking lot or what not.
| (c) by me of course back in 1994 and 1995.
I can't get the page to load, big ol page cannot be displayed. Let me know
when it's back up
| Addict. I can only wonder what the hell will happen to you when the
| Xybernaut is as inexpensive as the average cellphone. I shudder to think.
hah, I don't even know what it is so don't worry about it. Sounds like some
comic book character, what is it exactly?
|
| <snips meandering>
Always a shot eh?
Oh well, started off decently
Curgoth (Matt Andrews)
Well, so long as, once filtered for frivolousness, the offenders pay
for the infraction...
--
Dream Well...
Curgoth
Curgoth (Matt Andrews)
>On Thu, 31 May 2001 18:04:42 GMT, Curgoth (Matt Andrews)
><cur...@ashes.ca> wrote:
>>But, where's the /punishment/ in that? I firmly believe that people
>>who frivolously call one's cell phone ought to be made to suffer for it.
>
> Some sort of radio-triggered electric shock mechanism built into
>phones in general would seem to be in order...
I think the entire field of telephone communication would be much more
pleasant if everyone knew the person on the other end had the option
to inflict pain on zir. Telemarketting would disappear rather
quickly. Or, at the very least, the poor folks on the phones would be
able to demand quite a bit more money.
--
Dream Well...
Curgoth
IHCOYC XPICTOC
: They're utterly different things.
: I access the internet when I want to. I can ignore it for as
: long as I like, and it won't bleep at me in protest. Nobody expects me to
: answer email or usenet messages instantly (as it happens, I don't use
: chat). When I go out, I leave my internet connection at home, along with
: all the work-related stuff which that entails, thus separating me from my
: work and giving me temporary freedom from responsibility for it.
Exactly why I refuse to get a cell phone. It seems to me it would be like
an electronic leash. I might consider one that was send-only, that did
not accept incoming calls, and that never made noises or vibrated or any
other such offensive behaviour.
What I despise most of all is -distraction-. The productive part of my
day is spent writing letters and documents. All of a sudden the alarm on
the damned phone goes off. It's somebody with an "emergency." They need
to have their hand held.
8 A.M. Saturday morning. The telephone fires. Somebody with an
"emergency." My son's been arrested. He's a nice boy. Could you call
the judge to ask if they could let him out?
--- What was he arrested for?
"Burglary."
--- You don't need a lawyer. You need Superman, or maybe his evil twin.
I suppose I should be flattered you imagine I have that much clout. Even
if I did, if I called the judge at eight in the morning asking him if he'd
please let a burglar out of jail on my say-so, I wouldn't have come Monday
morning.
And I'm supposed to want -more- of this? To pay so this kind of shit can
follow me around wherever I go? No thankee. The thing I like most about
my car is that nobody can reach out and touch me while I am in it.
I realize I am probably squandering many goth points admitting this, but
for emergencies, I carry around a CB radio in the car. Probably as useful
as anything else. . .
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Bloodstone
: In article <3B14FD44...@clark.net>, Tiny Human Ferret
: <kla...@clark.net> writes
:>Actually, don't. I can't fucking stand the damned things.
: Hear hear.
Indeed. I gather the situation in the US is a bit different, but in the UK
not having a cell phone is a cardinal sin. I used to commute 60 miles to
work every day on a train, where a lot of people would start work the moment
they got on the train by phoning the office and having a discussion along
the lines of.
"Hi Bob it's John"
"No, sorry, you're breaking up."
"Hello"
"hello?"
"Hi Bob, it's John"
"Oh tunnel"
"hello?"
"Hi Bob, it's John, can you tell carol we need to leverage our business
process with respect to synergising it with our customer facing IT
delpoyment"
"I said, can you tell"
"Hello"
"Hello?"
"Ah.. no we were just in a cutting"
If you're British and don't a) have a cell phone and b) don't talk loudly
in public about total crap then there is definately something wrong with
you :)
: Even though I've always had one since 1995 or so, I hate it. I never use
: it, unless it's /really/ important, I'm always forgetting it, and I must
: be the only person on earth who really does get the whole standby time.
I would do if I lived near a cell mast. My cell phone spends most of its
life left laying around the house. It has proved very useful however on
occasions, like the journey to Whitby once where half the North York
moors were flooded and a whole batch of us tried to keep eachother updated
as to which roads were passable.
They're great things to have, but you can easily become a slave to it and
that's not good.
--
The same thing we do every night Pinky,
Grep for our names on UseNet,
And try to take over the world.
<BLOODSTONE>
Deviancy
"Bloodstone" <t...@midnight.FISH.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9f664e.3...@midnight.karoo.FISH.co.uk...
| Indeed. I gather the situation in the US is a bit different, but in the UK
| not having a cell phone is a cardinal sin. I used to commute 60 miles to
| work every day on a train, where a lot of people would start work the
moment
| they got on the train by phoning the office and having a discussion along
| the lines of.
It's the same thing in the US. At least in the cities i've been in,
everyone has a cell phone or a beeper the others seem to just despise them
but they are truly becoming the minority. We joke and giggle that we're
going to start seeing homeless people on them, then again if you're not
careful with them you'll be homeless. I met two fucks last week that ran up
a 1500 dollar tele bill, which wouldn't seem painful cept for the fact they
make less then that a month prior to billpaying.
I mean when your grandmother, who when she was a child didn't even have tv,
wants you to get one you know they are a part of society. I put it off for
years though, for two reasons, one, at the time they were to bloody
expensive and I didn't work ;). And the other reason was, who the fuck am I
going to call. I hated talking to people back then.
But the older I get the more ease I want. I don't want a fix me up car
anymore that isn't going to be reliable, I want the lil rice burner, I don't
want to use a dialup anymore, I want a cable modem so I can get my shit done
faster, I don't want to go out to the store anymore, I want to charge it
online. I think I pay one bill via snail mail nowadays. Everything is done
online, almost. So the cell phone was just the next thing to come in to my
life. I was relying on payphones to make calls, like if i was going to be
late for dinner or whatever. I mean I have those lil locks in my door that
the alarm unlocks or locks. Because well, it's just easier to use then
turning a key. And of course they break and I freak and I rush to the place
where the warranty is at and get it fixed asap. Because lord knows I don't
want to turn that key. But I don't go all out, I could have gotten the
viper that also turns the engine on, but that scared the shit out of me.
We are all addicts of some form of what I like to call lazy technology, you
may use a remote for your tv. Well thats cuz you are to lazy to get up and
switch the channel. You may have a motorized recliner or a fridge with a
pop open door. Or we are anal and have to have top of the line electronics
which is just as gimpy. We are all slaves to something electronic.
I want my digital tv, dvd, cable modem, networked house, with the fancy
voice activated garage opener and I want my cell phone to play pretty music.
And when the fuck are cars going to start to hover, I want a fucking
hovering car.
It's good to see the UK is up to date tho
Doesn't make the US look as aesthetic and plastic when ya know the brits are
doing it to
Siobhan
(Individuation) wrote:
>But the school I was working at was kinda far away.
>The drive was through some unihabited areas (none really empty...just
>not lots of homes and stuff) - pretty forests and stuff.
>My sister insisted I get a cell phone for safety.
>She bought me one.
>(Of course she also got it for me because our parents were going out
>of town and we had a verrrrry old dog. She wanted to be able to reach
>me in case it died... she figured I could handle it better than she
>could.)
>
>So I had a cell phone.
>At first I didn't use it.
>Then on a particularly long dive between the high school and grad
>school one day... I called a friend.
>The drive flew by.
*Please* tell me you don't talk on the phone while you are driving?
I've been nearly run over or side-swiped a half-dozen times by
people who do that.
Siobhan
....Normal is what cuts off your sixth finger and your tail...
{http://www.virulent.org} sio...@virulent.org
"None of you understand. *I'm* not locked up in here with
*you*. *You're* locked up in here with *me*." ~Rorschach
Deviancy
"Siobhan" <sio...@virulent.org> wrote in message
news:3b18248a...@news.newsguy.com...
| I've been nearly run over or side-swiped a half-dozen times by
| people who do that.
I would love to say that these people would be bad drivers regardless of
being on the phone or not being on the phone. For years we've had people
who've been distracted by something while driving. They may be doing their
makeup in the mirror, they may be trying to chastise their children who are
screaming in the back, they may drop their ciggie's cherry on their lap
(that hurts like hell).
As far as dangers I see cells as lethal driving as really super heavy
speakers in the car. Hell, I got mine cranked, it's booming, i'm singing
along, windows are rolled down, exhaling some smoke and i'm enjoying life.
But I stay focussed on the road, i'm not spacing out and the radio is cut
down the second I hit a busy road or a road with an intersection. This fun
period is usually on the highway where theres one lane for each way and
theres not a red for years. Or the freeway although the freeway gets
smelly.
If you can sing along to your music while it's on the car radio and you can
still stay alert, you should be able to stay alert with a cell as well.
Same concept really, you're talking instead of singing though hopefully.
You can argue that one hand is on the tele, but how many of us drive with
both hands? Be honest.
It always depends on the person, I've seen a million people on cells while
driving and their driving is fine, i've seen a handful who are swerving a
wee bit or basically act drunk while on the cell.
Soccer moms and teenaged drivers are the only drivers I throw in a
stereotype and avoid
Marlene Powell
Sheryl Kirby wrote:
> "'Lord' Rev. Dr. Paul Soth" wrote:
>
> > Man, i need a roll of those old 'Die Yuppie Scum' skateboarder stickers from
> > the 80s.
>
> I want a bunch of the one that says "I'm changing the Climate! Ask me How!"
>
> I passed an SUV this morning while walking the dog... damn thing was parked
> literally on the corner of two sidestreets - at an angle, and was not only
> impairing the sightline for turning cars but was blocking the cut in the curb
> for wheelchairs, strollers etc to access the sidewalk.
I've seen that once around here in the boonies..
Even more often, though, is the person who has parked their monster SUV literally
half-on and half-off the sidewalk along the highway that splits the center of
town.
In the past month, I've seen two of these. And a person who parked their car with
the back end sticking out into the road as if they've forgotten just how long
their hulking beast REALLY is.
I wonder how large a ticket would be for the half-on, half-off the sidewalk trick.
I imagine rather large, as it blocked coming traffic from seeing what was on the
other side of the road, and they'd have to pass around the car (and onto the other
side of the road in a no-passing zone) to get there, and it blocked the sidewalk
on that side of the road as well.
*<snippity>*
> I'm even more frightened by people that know they're jerks and
> obviously don't give a damn.
Sounds like my father *snigger*.
But he's just very good at accumulating tickets in his little red toyota.
Especially during the one summer where he had no turn signals.
Marlené Powell
---------------------------
Tetsab
> I might consider one that was send-only, that did not accept incoming
> calls, and that never made noises or vibrated or any other such
> offensive behaviour.
Get one on a "pay when you use it" plan w/o the "pseudo-answering
machine"/"messaging" service and then just keep it turned off and never
hand out the number or let anyone know you have one.
[If these new fangled itty-bitty tiny cell-phones have options like
that. I really have no idea. I assume they must. Choice! And all that].
Tetsab.
>^..^< ["...that muther looks like a field radio..!"]
--
"And while the singer's pretensions are easy to ridicule, he's rarely
less than entertaining. In War (The Process), when Astbury follows his
question, "Is nature dead?" with a thoughtful "whoa-oah, whoa-oah!"
who can argue with him?" - globe&mail review of the new Cult album.
IHCOYC XPICTOC
> If you can sing along to your music while it's on the car radio and you
can
> still stay alert, you should be able to stay alert with a cell as well.
> Same concept really, you're talking instead of singing though hopefully.
> You can argue that one hand is on the tele, but how many of us drive with
> both hands? Be honest.
If it's vacant conversation, maybe. If it's something that requires
thought, like work --- no.
> Soccer moms and teenaged drivers are the only drivers I throw in a
> stereotype and avoid
And pickup trucklings.
At least, the ones with huge, immaculate, shiny trucks. Why the hell would
anyone bother with a pickup truck if they ain't going to haul shit around in
it? The person with a pickup truck full of cords of wood, hay, earth or
something smellier, wheelbarrows, cement, that sort of thing --- her, I can
respect, she needs a truck, and she uses hers for its intended purpose.
These shiny trucks, what the hell is going on here? I could see putting
that much spit and polish into a vehicle if it were a Jag or something. But
a pickup truck?
--
IHCOYC XPICTOC D.G. IMP. LAURASIAE ET GONDWANALANDIAE
http://members.iglou.com/gustavus
It is the impotent despair of a sick man, who feels himself dying by inches
in the midst of an eternally living nature blooming insolently for ever.
--- Max Nordau
Deviancy
"IHCOYC XPICTOC" <ihcoyc...@aye.net> wrote in message
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| If it's vacant conversation, maybe. If it's something that requires
| thought, like work --- no.
True enough I guess
Although my job at one time required me to use the cell phone while driving
I was doing installs and sometimes they'd need to ring me to change the time
of the install or to walk me through a few of the detours. Or whatever. So
it was a conversation that required a lil bit of thought but that's what
cars are for sometimes ya know, they get us to work or help us with our job.
The cell phone in the car is no huge new thing, hell weren't car phones
around prior to cell phones?
Geeze, I miss the days of installs. They hired two regulars to do it
instead of having their techs do it. Same training but that was their only
goal....
I love being in my lil car with the cell, my radio blaring the windows
rolled down and then i'm on the clock, wooo
Hrmm, are there any pizza delivery boys who pull in 10+ an hour?
Bansidhe
> >So I had a cell phone.
> >At first I didn't use it.
> >Then on a particularly long dive between the high school and grad
> >school one day... I called a friend.
> >The drive flew by.
>
> *Please* tell me you don't talk on the phone while you are driving?
>
> I've been nearly run over or side-swiped a half-dozen times by
> people who do that.
>
> Siobhan
Hear, hear. I've been rear-ended by a cell-phone yakker.
I see drivers doing scary things all the time, and when I
look, nice times out of ten they've got their hand plastered
to their ear.
I now have a lovely bumper sticker that says "Drive Now,
Talk Later" (I got it for free from Car Talk; an a.g.f.er
gave me the tipoff for the free sticker!) I also chew out
anyone who admits to me that they talk on their cell phones
while driving. Statistically you yakker-drivers are as
dangerous as if you were driving drunk.
--
Bansidhe
a morning without coffee is like sleep.
Buboe_the_Rat
> Sheryl Kirby wrote:
>
> > Sheryl
> > (who is going to die of lung cancer anyway, not from the smoking, but from
> > living for four years in an asbestos filled studio space. When you're young
> > and foolish, you're totally willing to sacrifice your health for 40 foot high
> > cedar ceilings)
>
> asbestos isn't actually particularly dangerous unless it's being
> disturbed. it's just that when disturbed it releases millions of tiny
> little fibres which you inhale. we had asbestos in my high school, too.
IIRC asbestos kills you in one of three ways:
1) Lung cancer either through the direct effects of prolonged exposure or exposure
coupled with smoking.
2) Asbestosis of the lung (ie a buildup in the lung of asbestos fibres leading to
failure). Again, this stems from prolonged exposure (miners, shipyard workers,
etc.)
3) Death from cancer from limited exposure. This occurs when the exposure is in
conjunction with certain genetic factors. This was discovered when the first case
appeared in the daughter of a shipyard worker. She washed her father's work
overalls, and was subsequently exposed to a small amout of fibres.
And yes, you are correct, the asbestos is more of a threat when it is friable. If
the pipe insulation, ceiling tiles, floor tiles, etc. are intact and without any
broken surfaces, then there is reduced danger of inhalation of the fibres. The pipe
insulation is relatively easy to spot because the inside looks like corrugated
cardboard. Of course, if you can see this, then you are likely being exposed. Also,
the pipe elbows used to be insulated with asbestos when the rest of the piping was
insulated with something else. This can sometimes be spotted by the white,
cementitious coating on the elbows.
An interesting thing to note is that some building departments inspection branches
were anticipating that fibreglass would be the next asbestos not only in terms of
insulation use, but also in terms of health risks. The evidence is anecdotal and
based on my own experience.
Canada and IIRC, specifically Quebec used to be the major producers of asbestos for
domestic North American consumption. Since the health risks have been acknowledged,
and the use banned, production has shifted to the export market (ie the third
world, much like the way DDT is now exported.)
Interestingly enough, while it is only relatively recently that asbestos was
recognized as a contaminant, insurance companies as early as 1919 would not provide
life insurance for asbestos miners or shipyard workers.
Just thought you'd like to know.
.btr
--
http://rights.amnesty.org/home.html
http://www.zmag.org/znet.htm
"We should strive for pessimism of the intellect but optimism of the will."
StrangeGirl
vain attempt to be heard:
<because siobhan said:>
>> *Please* tell me you don't talk on the phone while you are driving?
>>
>> I've been nearly run over or side-swiped a half-dozen times by
>> people who do that.
>
And I had one turn left into the side of my car ten years ago. He had
no idea we were there, as he wasn't looking. I began thanking deities
as soon as the no-cell-while-driving laws started to spring up.
I'll be happier when they are universal. It takes a special kind of
ability to successfully multitask while driving, and the vast majority
of people don't have it, me included.
StrangeGirl
-*-*- Stepford Goth & Rare Human Squeaky Toy -*-*-
"Just imagine setting them on fire and watching them
running around screaming. That's what keeps me going."
{*reply to the from address*}
Sheryl Kirby
> IIRC asbestos kills you in one of three ways:
>
> 1) Lung cancer either through the direct effects of prolonged exposure or exposure
> coupled with smoking.
D'oh!
> 2) Asbestosis of the lung (ie a buildup in the lung of asbestos fibres leading to
> failure). Again, this stems from prolonged exposure (miners, shipyard workers,
> etc.)
D'oh!
> 3) Death from cancer from limited exposure. This occurs when the exposure is in
> conjunction with certain genetic factors. This was discovered when the first case
> appeared in the daughter of a shipyard worker. She washed her father's work
> overalls, and was subsequently exposed to a small amout of fibres.
D'oh!
Okay... my organ donor card is in my wallet (assuming that any of it is
useable), and medical remains can go to U of T or Dalhousie. Final remains are
slated for burial at sea off the coast of Sable Island. And no gardenias in
the flower arrangements, please.
Sheryl
--
I am tired, and we are tired, of being sold a packaged lifestyle, when all
that is actually for sale is a goddamned double-double and a snack.
http://www.toronto-underground.com
A web directory for the rest of us.
Peter H. Coffin
>Lots of the homeless have them in Australia. Prepaid mobiles are way cheap.
>Not to use, but certainly to obtain in the first place.
If one is homeless and serious about turning one's life around, a pre-paid
cellphone is one step of three to getting turned. That, a hotmail email
address, and a mailbox at the post office, and you've got an address and
phone, and you are now legitimate-looking enough to get past the "bum
radar" and actually get a job that pays something.
--
Peter H. Coffin
"Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos! The dead rising from the
grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"
--The Ghostbusters explain why not to buy or use any Microsoft products.
Peter H. Coffin
>
>"Siobhan" <sio...@virulent.org> wrote in message
>news:3b18248a...@news.newsguy.com...
>| I've been nearly run over or side-swiped a half-dozen times by
>| people who do that.
>
>I would love to say that these people would be bad drivers regardless of
>being on the phone or not being on the phone. For years we've had people
>who've been distracted by something while driving. They may be doing their
>makeup in the mirror, they may be trying to chastise their children who are
>screaming in the back, they may drop their ciggie's cherry on their lap
>(that hurts like hell).
Sure. People are (generally) morons and at best barely competant. That's
pretty much a given in my book.
However, my favorite study on this subject is one published in the New
England Journal of Medicine, summarized at
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/336/7/453
There's money involved in getting the full text with the article, but
the gist of it is that there's a statistical correllation between cell
phone use and collisions. That the collision rate for with calls starting
in the previous five minutes (when the phone is likely to still be in use)
is four times what the rate is for longer than the previous 15 minutes
(when the phone is less likely to be in use); that rate of collisions is
comparable to driving legally intoxicated. Finally, the incidence of
collisions is not statistically lowered by the use of hands-free kit,
and is instead raised by a statisically insignificant amount.
In short, the hard evidence says there's as strong a case for banning
cell phones and driving as there is for driving drunk.
--
Peter H. Coffin
The plural of datum is not "facts".
A collection of facts is not "knowlege".
Peter H. Coffin
>Exactly why I refuse to get a cell phone. It seems to me it would be like
>an electronic leash. I might consider one that was send-only, that did
>not accept incoming calls, and that never made noises or vibrated or any
>other such offensive behaviour.
You can turn all of the noises and vibrations off. The thing will just sit
there until you look at it.
>--- You don't need a lawyer. You need Superman, or maybe his evil twin.
>I suppose I should be flattered you imagine I have that much clout. Even
>if I did, if I called the judge at eight in the morning asking him if he'd
>please let a burglar out of jail on my say-so, I wouldn't have come Monday
>morning.
Sounds like a billable hour right there. Even for a "Not going to happen"
answer.
--
Peter H. Coffin
"The last refuge of the insomniac is a sense of superiority to the
sleeping world."
--Leonard Cohen, The Favourite Game
Deviancy
"Peter H. Coffin" <hel...@flerb.ninehells.com> wrote in message
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| In short, the hard evidence says there's as strong a case for banning
| cell phones and driving as there is for driving drunk.
Great site, very informative
Heres one
http://www.wismed.org/wmj/dec2000/fatalinjuries.html
Theres some statistics on teenaged drivers. It will go more into the
fatality rates on the teens themselves and the reasoning. But i'm sure
there are victims involved who have nothing to do with these teen drivers.
My point
Although the numbers may seem high because of the studies done by the source
you provided, there are other things out there that are harmful as well.
Statistics differ from source to source, but your source is reputable for
being pretty reliable.
But my point
I think the comparison to dui and cell phones is a bit absurd. Drinking
and talking on a cell phone are quite different, the cell may be used for an
occupational reason for all we know. Case in point, as I stated before I
used mine while I was doing installs and for updates. If I pulled over each
time to use it I would have never gotten half of the work done. Where
drinking is purely for luxury, I am not aware of any occupations that
require you to get loaded and drive around.
I truly think this would need to be dealt with on a case to case basis. I
know plenty of people who drive totally fine while on a call, it has to do
with responsibility. Which is where my url comes in handy. The reason these
accidents are so high with teens is because of poor decisions, but we can't
stop every teen from driving because a few or even a the bulk of teens are
irrational drivers. Has to be done case to case. I'm all for a person who
gets into an accident because of a cellphone being banned from using one.
Cop catches them again, they can give them a heavy fine or something.
But to make the whole take responsiblity is just wrong.
You could argue we should do that with dui's. But like I stated, ones a
luxury the other could be occupational or even for all we know an emergency
that they just picked up. What if they were stuck in traffic and couldn't
pull over to use the cell phone and they noticed the call was from the
babysitter cuz the child was in icu? Ok, i'm aruging hypotheticals here
I'm just sick of hearing the word ban. It's ban this, and ban that and
bleh. Best bet on this is to fine those who get into collisions and the
reason was due to a cell phone, hike their insurance rates even. But case
by case.
Even with this study I'm still more weary of the teen driver and the suv
driver. Maybe it's because I do more freeway and highway driving and
intersections and stop signs don't come into play. Or perhaps I just figure
I'm responsible and I don't need a right taken away because some others are
careless. I feel that way with smoking as well. I go so far away from non
smokers to light up but I still take flack because there are smokers who
don't do this so we all get punished.
I'm just the guy on the outside of the circle who minds his own.
Siobhan
wrote:
>"Siobhan" <sio...@virulent.org> wrote in message
>news:3b18248a...@news.newsguy.com...
>| I've been nearly run over or side-swiped a half-dozen times by
>| people who do that.
>
>I would love to say that these people would be bad drivers regardless of
>being on the phone or not being on the phone. For years we've had people
>who've been distracted by something while driving. They may be doing their
>makeup in the mirror, they may be trying to chastise their children who are
>screaming in the back, they may drop their ciggie's cherry on their lap
>(that hurts like hell).
Toronto recently went on a safety blitz where they have been
focusing on people who do things like put on makeup or eat while
driving. (I recently saw some stats on how many people say that they
have had sex while driving. It was... impressive.)
>If you can sing along to your music while it's on the car radio and you can
>still stay alert, you should be able to stay alert with a cell as well.
>Same concept really, you're talking instead of singing though hopefully.
>You can argue that one hand is on the tele, but how many of us drive with
>both hands? Be honest.
Unless you have a headset, your ability to move your head is also
limited. And it is just not possible to drive properly if you can't
move your head to check your blindspot.
I also think that people have a harder time ignoring a person's
live voice than they do something like music. Most of us can stop
listening to a radio or stereo if we need to focus on something that's
going on on the road because nobody is expecting an answer from us. If
it's a person in the car that we are talking to, they will often stop
talking when something happens, and they also provide an additional
set of eyes to note danger. The person on the other end of the phone
commands our attention because we are going to have to make an
intelligent response, but they aren't aware of what's going on in the
car, so it's like the worst of both worlds.
I'm sure there are people who can safely drive with a phone. I
think they are not a large enough group to be worth allowing everybody
to do it, given that a car is a 2-ton lethal mobile weapon under the
wrong conditions.
Siobhan
....Normal is what cuts off your sixth finger and your tail...
{http://www.virulent.org} sio...@virulent.org
"None of you understand. *I'm* not locked up in here with
*you*. *You're* locked up in here with *me*." ~Rorschach
Deviancy
| I'm sure there are people who can safely drive with a phone. I
| think they are not a large enough group to be worth allowing everybody
| to do it, given that a car is a 2-ton lethal mobile weapon under the
| wrong conditions.
|
I just think there are other forms of drivers we need to ban before we ban
cell drivers
Comes down to the part where i've encountered more drivers who were horrid
and almost killed me and none of them were on a cell. They fell into three
categories. The senior citizen, they seem to be lost in the old world where
people drived at 15mph. Teenaged drivers, they seem to sometimes think the
car is a toy and that you can do what you want with it. And soccer moms,
they are just to concerned about time and usually their is a kid screaming
in the backseat
Mind you there are exceptions to all of these, just as there are with
cellphones.
You are right in a way though, moving ones head isn't the easiest when on a
tele. But I'd still say i'm more alert while on the tele then lets say a 65
year old. But this is why I only drive and phone while i'm on the highway
and freeway. All straight and usually either horribly slow to where you are
basically walking or horribly fast cuz theres no one on the road.
Interstate 5 is so cute once you get past sacramento going north
Peter H. Coffin
>
>"Siobhan" <sio...@virulent.org> wrote in message
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>| I'm sure there are people who can safely drive with a phone. I
>| think they are not a large enough group to be worth allowing everybody
>| to do it, given that a car is a 2-ton lethal mobile weapon under the
>| wrong conditions.
>|
>
>I just think there are other forms of drivers we need to ban before we ban
>cell drivers
>
>Comes down to the part where i've encountered more drivers who were horrid
>and almost killed me and none of them were on a cell. They fell into three
>categories. The senior citizen, they seem to be lost in the old world where
>people drived at 15mph. Teenaged drivers, they seem to sometimes think the
>car is a toy and that you can do what you want with it. And soccer moms,
>they are just to concerned about time and usually their is a kid screaming
>in the backseat
*shrug* I agree with all of that. Driving without Due Diligence is the
real issue, but I'd like to some way of making it understood commonly
that Due Diligence is hampered by cell phone use, just like alcohol
hampers Due Diligence. That putting on make-up also does is true, but
not something that can be proved with a breath test or a computer log.
That we're even having this discussion at this length means that there's
still a common perception that "Oh, I can handle it.." in the same
general public that has trouble walking and smoking at the same time.
I'd even be happy with not banning the things, except for the likelyhood
of a cell-phone user doing something dumb and going on, untouched, leaving
a wake of collisions behind him.
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wrong end. I'd hate to be wearing Depends at 85 and thinking "I gave up
booze for three more years of this."
Deviancy
| On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 05:32:52 GMT, Deviancy wrote:
| still a common perception that "Oh, I can handle it.." in the same
| general public that has trouble walking and smoking at the same time.
| I'd even be happy with not banning the things, except for the likelyhood
| of a cell-phone user doing something dumb and going on, untouched, leaving
| a wake of collisions behind him.
This is why I like our three strike law, it gives people a chance
Off topic? perhaps
I just think we should be allowed to use our cellphone in the car until we
fuck up once. The minute we cause an accident because of the fact we were
on a cell, we should have the right revoked. Then when we are caught a
second time we can be heavily fined. I understand those who say it's the
same as drinking and driving but unlike drinking there may be a valid reason
that person is on the phone. Perhaps theres the emergency and they are on
their way back home telling whoever they'll be right there. Or maybe it
will be the mom who is telling the babysitter what to do because the child
is having an allergic reaction to peanut butter.
There are those of us who use things frivously and we make others look bad.
I don't like the drinking thing mixed with this one because there is no
possible exuse for being intoxicated while driving.
Edward Scissorhands
Deviancy <SD...@sdfkjhdsf.com> writes
>I don't like the drinking thing mixed with this one because there is no
>possible exuse for being intoxicated while driving.
What if you were at a party, and a group of people ganged up on you, and
the quickest way to escape was in your car, and you had no other friends
there, but you'd been drinking...
There's an excuse for almost everything.
Of course, I simply don't drink when I have my car, but not everyone
wants to do that.
EdwardS
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