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Daednu

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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What the hell????
Okay, I just got Mirc tonight. I tried it out. I finally figured out to
type "goth". I ended up getting in a room called something like "goth
viagra".
It was hell.
Pure and simple.
The people were horrible. I got kicked for no reason. The person said
"don't disagree with me". Then I got kicked a couple more times for no
reason. What's that???
I tried to ask why everyone was so abrasive, I was told to f*ck off and
die.
Tell me nobody here goes by "noctem" or "mmmcc". Horrible people.

Please, tell me there is more to IRC than this. Tell me there are decent
groups. Frig I feel horrible after that whole thing. :(
If that's all there is, I'm deleting Mirc.

*Daednu (feeling unusually down)
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Lady Greycat

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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[This followup was posted to alt.gothic and a copy was sent to the cited
author.]

In article <35AEF25F...@storm.ca>, (NOSPAM...@storm.ca) Daednu
said in a loud stage whisper:


> The people were horrible. I got kicked for no reason. The person said
> "don't disagree with me". Then I got kicked a couple more times for no
> reason. What's that???
> I tried to ask why everyone was so abrasive, I was told to f*ck off and
> die.
> Tell me nobody here goes by "noctem" or "mmmcc". Horrible people.


Sounds like #gothic. They are rather rude and childish at times there.
There are a few really cool people in #gothic, but for the most part,
it's not work your time.

>
> Please, tell me there is more to IRC than this. Tell me there are decent
> groups.


Try #altgothic...That seems like the natural choice for a group, eh?:)
Most of the goth groups are on invisible <secret> mode because well, it
keeps the mansonites out most of the time, and people like Joe Bob who
wants to be an ass is less likely to find the group.

you will find alot of regulars from AG in #altgothic, and it seems like a
pretty nice place, for the most part.

Greycat
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Narnia

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Daednu (NOSPAM...@storm.ca) wrote:

: Okay, I just got Mirc tonight. I tried it out. I finally figured out to


: type "goth". I ended up getting in a room called something like "goth
: viagra".

I'm guessing that was the topic.

: It was hell.
: Pure and simple.

<kicking, etc. snipped>

Ah. What were you on? If this was EFnet, I'm willing to bet this was #gothic.

: Please, tell me there is more to IRC than this. Tell me there are decent
: groups. Frig I feel horrible after that whole thing. :(


: If that's all there is, I'm deleting Mirc.

IRC is wonderful.

Come to #altgothic on EFnet. :)


=Narnia=
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Cavalorn

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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In article <35AEF25F...@storm.ca>, Daednu <NOSPAM...@storm.ca>
writes
>What the hell????

>Okay, I just got Mirc tonight. I tried it out. I finally figured out to
>type "goth". I ended up getting in a room called something like "goth
>viagra".

Okay, here's what to do.

1) In the Setup window, select an EfNet server.
2) When you connect, type /join #altgothic
3) Boggle at the number of a.g. regulars you can now chat to.
4) Don't forget to say hello.

Alternatively, visit #gothik or #goths on the Undernet, where I will be
happy to show you around (if I'm on at all that is... bloody UK phone
charges), or #goth on the same server, where the person to say hi to is
TonyGirl (aka Leo).

Cavalorn
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Katar Shon-Dranith

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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Daednu wrote...

>What the hell????
">S<"


>Please, tell me there is more to IRC than this. Tell me there are
>decent groups. Frig I feel horrible after that whole thing. :(
>If that's all there is, I'm deleting Mirc.

Click on the button in the toolbar with the folder icon. Choose an
EFNet server (beware the Missouri one, it doesn't have any spam
rules, so you'll have to build up a big /ignore list). Click "Connect
to IRC server!". Then type /join #altgothic in the status window.

Congratulations, you just found the best channel on IRC (IMNSHO).

>*Daednu (feeling unusually down)

You'll find yourself feeling much better once you've found #altgothic.

High Lord Katar Shon-Dranith
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Leonora the Lonely KittenLady

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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In the year of our Lord, Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:42:39 -0400, the foolish

Daednu <NOSPAM...@storm.ca> dared to write:

>
>Tell me nobody here goes by "noctem" or "mmmcc". Horrible people.

hahaha

undernet

*smirk*

undernet #goth is...hostile [1]

-Leonora (Mistresss of All Evil & Goddess Material :)
[1] that's why i'm an op ;P
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ren

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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Getting kicked is the wors'tist feeling in the world. I have
to fight this vomit rising in my throat every time I try to
go on IRC. I've been on twice in about a year.

I used to go onto EFnet's #gothic for about 5 years mostly
on Saturday night before I would go out. I met really nice
people most who live in San Francisco now. It was like a
#gothic convergence last year, really.

I even met the group that created the bots and ran the
channel, also very nice, Erin? :)

But Play42Day and Neumann didn't like what I had to say one
night and kick banned me. I've been kicked all the time for
about 5 years but never banned. Most of the things I type
are pure Trollish but in silly fun. I was more than hurt for
being banned. I really wanted to kill them. Then I got a
hold of myself. I was planning murder for real. So I said,
"fuck this. IRC isn't worth it." It's not Neumann's and
Play42Day's complete fault. It's the way IRC is set up. They
kick-banned me because I was being an asshole. IRC turns
everybody into assholes. :)

That's really dumb. Getting pissed off at somebody you've
never met because they kick/banned you. Going and stalking
them for two weeks before you put a bullet in their heads
walking through an airport. It's best to just not play on
IRC too much. Perhaps an hour a week.

{o}racle

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Jul 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/18/98
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In article <zkVwMHAn...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk>, Cavalorn <cava...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <35AEF25F...@storm.ca>, Daednu <NOSPAM...@storm.ca>
>writes
>>What the hell????
>>Okay, I just got Mirc tonight. I tried it out. I finally figured out to
>>type "goth". I ended up getting in a room called something like "goth
>>viagra".
>
>Okay, here's what to do.
>
>1) In the Setup window, select an EfNet server.
>2) When you connect, type /join #altgothic
>3) Boggle at the number of a.g. regulars you can now chat to.
>4) Don't forget to say hello.
>
>Alternatively, visit #gothik or #goths on the Undernet, where I will be
>happy to show you around (if I'm on at all that is... bloody UK phone
>charges), or #goth on the same server, where the person to say hi to is
>TonyGirl (aka Leo).

All that, and WHATEVER YOU DO, STAY AWAY FROM #GOTHIC!

#gawth (EffNet) is pretty good, but there are hardly any people on it.

Luv,
{o}racle (sorry to yell)

Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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Jul 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/20/98
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#Gothic (EFNET) is an excellent channel. You just gotta know the rules.

-Sternn

'I believe in the theory of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.'
-Clerks

Individuat

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Jul 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/20/98
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all this talk of stay away from #gothic..
and name calling...
and no mention of Uncle Jed?
I bet he's crying...
*giggle*
You're all soft.
Eileen (doesn't go on #gothic much anymore...but had a nice 3-4 year stay
there)
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Marcus Pan

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Jul 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/20/98
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Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn wrote:
>
> #Gothic (EFNET) is an excellent channel. You just gotta know the rules.

Being an asshole isn't a rule. It's a problem. That's why I go to
EFNET #altgothic. Not as many bursting flames of egotistical
gother-than-thou attitudes.

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Necr0angel

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Jul 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/20/98
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>From: Marcus Pan <p...@idt.net>

>That's why I go to
>EFNET #altgothic. Not as many bursting flames of egotistical
>gother-than-thou attitudes.

Unless I'm there;)

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Charlotte Ashley

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Marcus Pan (p...@idt.net) writes:
> Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn wrote:
>>
>> #Gothic (EFNET) is an excellent channel. You just gotta know the rules.
>
> Being an asshole isn't a rule. It's a problem. That's why I go to

> EFNET #altgothic. Not as many bursting flames of egotistical
> gother-than-thou attitudes.

*snort*

#gothic is not all that bad. At all. No worse than alt.gothic in it's
prime, anyway. ;)

Survival of the Fittest, etc. ;)


leanan sidhe, who likes #gothic as much as one can like a shallow and
meaningless medium.


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Skerry Carrie, Quite Contrary!

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:12:05 -0400, "Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn"
<cpts...@gothic.net> scribbled in ubergoffick black eyeliner:

>#Gothic (EFNET) is an excellent channel. You just gotta know the rules.

I always found it dreadfully boring. #altgothic, while painfully,
excruciatingly fluffy at times, seems to be preferred among most. :)

Carrie

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In My Mouth, In My Teeth. http://www.execpc.com/~skerry/

David Gerard

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:12:05 -0400, "Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn"
<cpts...@gothic.net> wrote:

:#Gothic (EFNET) is an excellent channel. You just gotta know the rules.


Like staying away.

#altgothic is sorta nearly maybe purty much the channel of the newsgroup.
#agsf is the backup in case of weenie attacks.


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David Gerard

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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On 20 Jul 1998 18:34:50 GMT, indiv...@aol.com (Individuat) wrote:

:all this talk of stay away from #gothic..
:and name calling...
:and no mention of [DELETED]?
:I bet he's crying...


:*giggle*
:You're all soft.
:Eileen (doesn't go on #gothic much anymore...but had a nice 3-4 year stay
:there)


It's the Usenet postings of such as [DELETED] that put me off ever trying
it ...

Ron Cecchini

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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ske...@execpc.com wrote:

> #altgothic, while painfully, excruciatingly fluffy at times

I defy anyone to show me an IRC channel, or any other chatroom for that matter,
that isn't boring, fluffy, and, ultimately, a monumental waste of time...

][

(who wonders if any of his posts are making it out)

Marcus Pan

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Yup...they are.

Marcus Pan

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Ron Cecchini wrote:
> I defy anyone to show me an IRC channel, or any other chatroom for that matter,
> that isn't boring, fluffy, and, ultimately, a monumental waste of time...

Ask denizens of #altgothic about Wheel Of Goth Tunes. Free memory, hard
drives and what-not isn't a waste of time. :P

Individuat

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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The good Rev. David Gerrard said:

> It's the Usenet postings of such as [DELETED] that put me off
> ever trying
> it ...

Aw he's not that bad....
Common David...you'll take on the scary CO$ but you won't take on HIM?????
Eileen

Necr0angel

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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>From: f...@thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard)

>On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:12:05 -0400, "Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn"
><cpts...@gothic.net> wrote:
>
>:#Gothic (EFNET) is an excellent channel. You just gotta know the rules.
>
>
>Like staying away.

That's always a good idea...the last time I went there I was kick/banned for my
name being spelled "necroangl"(see, IRC Only allows 9 characters....;)) with
the message "learn to spell you fucker". How nice.

Marcus Pan

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Necr0angel wrote:
> That's always a good idea...the last time I went there I was kick/banned for my
> name being spelled "necroangl"(see, IRC Only allows 9 characters....;)) with
> the message "learn to spell you fucker". How nice.

Well, that's what happens when you have a Mallgoth gathering with a
median age of 12.

Skerry Carrie, Quite Contrary!

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On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:30:22 -0500, Ron.Ce...@GSC.GTE.Com (Ron
Cecchini) scribbled in ubergoffick black eyeliner:

>I defy anyone to show me an IRC channel, or any other chatroom for that matter,
>that isn't boring, fluffy, and, ultimately, a monumental waste of time...

#altgothic isn't boring :P Er.. in the wee hours of the morning,
that is. All the fun happens after the kiddies are tucked into bed.

Waste of time? How dare you! *sob*

>(who wonders if any of his posts are making it out)

Nope.

Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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Yeah, we try to keep the mallgoths out. Thats why we kickban so many people
like yourself.

- @CptSternn

Marcus Pan wrote in message <35B4FC...@idt.net>...

timmie

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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after some tension mounting buildup betwixt our two antagonists #gothic
and alt.gothic....
> Marcus Pan wrote in message <35B4FC...@idt.net>...
> >
> >Well, that's what happens when you have a Mallgoth gathering with a
> >median age of 12.

then Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn <cpts...@gothic.net> wrote:

> Yeah, we try to keep the mallgoths out. Thats why we kickban so many people
> like yourself.
>
> - @CptSternn

*tag* a.g.. you're it... because of course no one could let such
undeniably uncalled for insults get by without some more mindless
posturing to fan the constant and fairly pointless feud further... could
they?

*sigh*

timmie, sporadic participant in both groups.... and keeping firmly in
mind that it takes a two to perform mating rituals thinly disguised as
synchronised perforance art...

--
** > < slightly trembling with a strange mixture of unadulterated
*** o o glee and inexplicable mind-numbing terror... the squirrel
** x stood firm... his vows memorized soundly...
*/" "\ ... and awaited the arrival of his bride.... :)

David Gerard

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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On 21 Jul 1998 19:49:51 GMT, indiv...@aol.com (Individuat) wrote:

:The good Rev. David Gerrard said:

:> It's the Usenet postings of such as [DELETED] that put me off
:> ever trying
:> it ...

:Aw he's not that bad....
:Common David...you'll take on the scary CO$ but you won't take on HIM?????


'take on'? You can nail lime jello to the ceiling only so firmly and no
more. The posts in question spoke pretty thoroughly for themselves - a
clear inability to communicate in a medium where he doesn't wield the /bk,
and gosh it was funny. In a sad and petty sense.

Skerry Carrie, Quite Contrary!

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:56:25 -0400, "Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn"
<cpts...@gothic.net> scribbled in ubergoffick black eyeliner:

>Yeah, we try to keep the mallgoths out. Thats why we kickban so many people
>like yourself.

Huh-huh-huh. IRCGoths vs. UsenetGoths. Huh-huh-huh.

How original.

{o}racle

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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In article <199807211929...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, necr0...@aol.com (Necr0angel) wrote:
>>From: f...@thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard)
>
>>On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:12:05 -0400, "Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn"
>><cpts...@gothic.net> wrote:
>>
>>:#Gothic (EFNET) is an excellent channel. You just gotta know the rules.
>>
>>
>>Like staying away.
>
>That's always a good idea...the last time I went there I was kick/banned for my
>name being spelled "necroangl"(see, IRC Only allows 9 characters....;)) with
>the message "learn to spell you fucker". How nice.
>
They are a sweet bunch, aren't they? ;) I remember getting kickbanned once for
my nickname being "lame" (by someone who's nick was a variation of
"vampire". HA! *I'm* lame?), and once for doing a !seen on a RL friend of mine
who likes that channel for some strange reason. I have also been kicked there
for various STUPID reasons.

Luv,
{o}racle

ora...@passport.ca
http://www.passport.ca/~oracle/

Narnia

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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Ron Cecchini (Ron.Ce...@GSC.GTE.Com) wrote:

: I defy anyone to show me an IRC channel, or any other chatroom for that matter,


: that isn't boring, fluffy, and, ultimately, a monumental waste of time...

#altgothic.

I've made wonderful friends there (not to mention that's where zastur and I began
talking, and look what happened with that), and it's saved my life on more than on
occasion.

Not at all a waste of time, IMHO.


=Narnia=
http://www.velvet.net
babygoth list/irc/webring admin, #altgothic addict, honorary milgoth


Narnia

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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Individuat (indiv...@aol.com) wrote:

: Aw he's not that bad....

<snicker>

Especially after you've seen a picture...

flannel and Pearl Jam, anyone?

Katar Shon-Dranith

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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Narnia wrote...

">S<"
>honorary milgoth

I must need to go to bed. I thought that was "horny milgoth".
*chuckle*

High Lord Katar Shon-Dranith
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Katar Shon-Dranith

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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Narnia wrote...

">S<"


>flannel and Pearl Jam, anyone?

OOO! Me me me!

High Lord Katar Shon-Dranith
(loves Pearl Jam and wears flannel during the winter)

Lady Greycat

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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In article <6p3ahb$alc$1...@winter.news.erols.com>, (cpts...@gothic.net)
Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn said in a loud stage whisper:

> Yeah, we try to keep the mallgoths out. Thats why we kickban so many people
> like yourself.

No, it's mentalities like this that keep most of the interesting people
out.

So, come on, gimmie another immature and poorly written come back.

"I know you are but what am I?"

Greycat
<rolling her eyes...is this the best you can do? If so, you are sad.>
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Blacker than the foulest witch"

Greylock

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 04:42:53 GMT, f...@thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard) did
sigh :
>:> It's the Usenet postings of such as [DELETED] that put me off
>:> ever trying
>:> it ...
>
>:Aw he's not that bad....
>:Common David...you'll take on the scary CO$ but you won't take on HIM?????


Errr.... who?


(H*aydn - as curious as a squirrel)

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Lady Greycat

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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In article <35c1d219...@news.albany.agn.net.au>,
(Damoc...@hotmail.com) Greylock said in a loud stage whisper:

>
> (H*aydn - as curious as a squirrel)

Oh damn...that was soo cute!

But I wanna know too. I have no idea who they are talking about...:)

Greycat

Charlotte Ashley

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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Lady Greycat (LadyG...@infoback.net) writes:
> In article <6p3ahb$alc$1...@winter.news.erols.com>, (cpts...@gothic.net)
> Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn said in a loud stage whisper:
>> Yeah, we try to keep the mallgoths out. Thats why we kickban so many people
>> like yourself.
>
> No, it's mentalities like this that keep most of the interesting people
> out.
>
> So, come on, gimmie another immature and poorly written come back.
>
> "I know you are but what am I?"

Oh, for christ's sake.

WE started it, guys. DOn't go jumping down this guy's throat just 'cause
he's in our turf. If I was in #gothic and they started going on about how
elitist and immature *we* were, I'd have a say too...

And we're not right. Neither would they be.

leanan sidhe

Marcus Pan

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Jul 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/22/98
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Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn wrote:
>
> Yeah, we try to keep the mallgoths out. Thats why we kickban so many people
> like yourself.

Oh, yeah, I'm definitely a mallgoth, yupyup. Sure. <nods head> Gee,
how'd you guess?

(Not even bothering to strike back because, well, isn't it OBVIOUS why
I'm not bothering?)

Jack

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Skerry Carrie, Quite Contrary! wrote in message
<6p3s0n$9...@newsops.execpc.com>...
<snip>

>Huh-huh-huh. IRCGoths vs. UsenetGoths. Huh-huh-huh.
>
>How original.

Which is why I have "IRC" and a couple of likely to come up, related
subjects [1] killfiled on alt.gothic.

But silly me, I was checking my killfiles to see if anything anything
worthwhile was getting inadvertently filtered out. And then, sillier me, I
looked in on *this* thread.

From now on, I'm going to trust in my killfile. [2]


[1] About two or three words starting with #.
[2] And stay the fuck away from IRC. [3]
[3] Yeah, I *am* in kind of a pissy mood this morning again. Why do you
ask?
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Lady Greycat

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In article <6p4lqv$3...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
(bi...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) Charlotte Ashley said in a loud stage
whisper:
> WE started it, guys.

I hate to correct you here Charlotte, BUT we didn't go into #gothic and
start saying "Oh well, you guys are all mall rats"

We said it here, in AG, which being most of the people who are here and
go on IRC go to #altgothic.

Besides, Pan has a point, the people in there can be downright assholish
for no reason.

I have never been kicked from #gothic, and you know what? I never will,
because I don't even go in there anymore. I saw how they treated other
people who didn't do a damn thing to them.

DOn't go jumping down this guy's throat just 'cause
> he's in our turf.

Why not? WE didn't invade HIS turf. Understand?

If I was in #gothic and they started going on about how
> elitist and immature *we* were, I'd have a say too...

I could care less what most of the denizens of #gothic think. I mean,
what thoughts they could think up in between trying to get into
everyone's pants and all the self absorbed thought they have.

I can name on one hand the people that I think are interesting and fun to
talk to that go to #gothic. Uhlume and Imperia. That's about it. I
probably forgot a person or two, but that's IT. The channel is a waste of
time, and the people in there are a waste of flesh, for the most part.
And I'm talking about the ops.

>
> And we're not right. Neither would they be.

My OPINION is right...because it's mine, and it's not absolute. And my
OPINION of people in #gothic is that they are nothing more than monkeys
typing.

But it doesn't matter. I stuck up for Pan because I feel Pan is right. If
you have a problem with it Charlotte, then that's your deal. I'm not
going to tell you your aren't correct for having the opinions you do, and
I have every right to express my opinions on the subject.

Oh hell, I don't even get on IRC that much anyway.

cub...@mhv.net

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oh trust me there is much much more to the irc. and there are nice people.
try #music the people are really nice and interesting. good conversation
too. funny as hell sometimes. if you go look for me my nick's cubicle. i'm
there almost every night. i'll introduce you around :)

cubicle


Bio7Flesh

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<<
> (H*aydn - as curious as a squirrel)

Oh damn...that was soo cute!

But I wanna know too. I have no idea who they are talking about...:)

Greycat


--
~~~@~~~ Http://members.theglobe.com/ladygreycat ~~~@~~~
HandToForehead Spice
>>

I think it's JIM BOB, Joe Bob, Billy Ray, or some cap like that. I remember
cause he kickbanned me for haveing my own opinion. In otherwords he couldn't
argue what was said so pulled a nazi.

TechroMancer
Thats why i laugh when people say that Alt.Gothic is Eleitist, or stuck up. yea
right.

Tell me is something eluding you, sunshine?
Is this not what you expected to see?
If you wanna find out what's behind these cold eyes
You'll just have to claw your way through this disguise.


ren

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> > #Gothic (EFNET) is an excellent channel. You just gotta know the rules.
>
> Being an asshole isn't a rule. It's a problem. That's why I go to
> EFNET #altgothic. Not as many bursting flames of egotistical
> gother-than-thou attitudes.

Amen Pan! >:)

--
http://www.netgoths.com

ren

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> that isn't boring, fluffy, and, ultimately, a monumental waste of > time...

Ron, is this really about me?

--
http://www.netgoths.com

Individuat

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Narnia Wrote:

> Especially after you've seen a picture...

> flannel and Pearl Jam, anyone?

I'm gonna get blasted by him if he's sees this...but
Richi Cunningham anyone?
Eileen (now going into hiding)

Lady Greycat

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In article <199807221751...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
(indiv...@aol.com) Individuat said in a loud stage whisper:

> I'm gonna get blasted by him if he's sees this...but
> Richi Cunningham anyone?

If we are talking about who I THINK we are talking about, this is a very
dead on description of him...:)

Greycat

--
~~~@~~~ Http://members.theglobe.com/ladygreycat ~~~@~~~
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"Black as midnight, black as pitch,

Ron Cecchini

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nar...@charon.gothic.net (Narnia) wrote:

> #altgothic.
>
> I've made wonderful friends there

I'm not slamming #ag. (after all, I visit there.)
I'm just saying that: it's all fluffy and it's all time consuming.
As is what I'm doing right now...

> it's saved my life on more than on occasion.
>
> Not at all a waste of time, IMHO.

Well, if you say so.
But the more "serious" discussion happen on the newsgroups.
I really don't think you're going to convince anyone otherwise.

][

(who admits that it definitely has something to do w/ the medium; i.e.
it's hard to have a "serious" discussion when 47 people are all typing
at the same time)

Ron Cecchini

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ren <r...@netgoths.com> wrote:

> > that isn't boring, fluffy, and, ultimately, a monumental waste of > time...
>
> Ron, is this really about me?

Oh darn. I was trying to keep that a secret...

<sigh>

Sorry to have to break it to you, Ren, but, yes, you alone are responsible for
99% of the entire Fluff Content on the Internet...

][

Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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Depends on what you consider 'interesting' and what you
consider...umm...well, not...

Lady Greycat wrote in message ...

>Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn said in a loud stage whisper:


>> Yeah, we try to keep the mallgoths out. Thats why we kickban so many
people
>> like yourself.
>

>No, it's mentalities like this that keep most of the interesting people
>out.
>
>So, come on, gimmie another immature and poorly written come back.
>
>"I know you are but what am I?"
>

>Greycat
><rolling her eyes...is this the best you can do? If so, you are sad.>

Thomas Parkin

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Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn <cpts...@gothic.net> wrote:
> Yeah, we try to keep the mallgoths out. Thats why we kickban so many people
> like yourself.

> - @CptSternn

For a flame to be truly effective has to demonstrate some
sort of insight into the thing or person it's flaming. Which is the main
reason why TSM was masterful where so many others, who fall back on new
and admittedly interesting vulgarities, fail. Far less effective than that
is pulling out catch words and applying them on oblvious assumptions.


A

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++++++++++++++++ I know nothing but the holiness of the hearts affections
and the truth of the imagination.- J. Keats
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Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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Damn, someone really pissed on your cheerios this morning didn't they?

-Sternn (Vindicator of #Gothic as well as a few 3rd world countries)

Lady 'I HATE YOU ALL' Greycat wrote in message ...
>In article <6p4lqv$3...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
>(bi...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) Charlotte Ashley said in a loud stage


>time, and the people in there are a waste of flesh, for the most part.
>And I'm talking about the ops.

>My OPINION is right...because it's mine, and it's not absolute. And my
>OPINION of people in #gothic is that they are nothing more than monkeys
>typing.
>
>But it doesn't matter. I stuck up for Pan because I feel Pan is right. If
>you have a problem with it Charlotte, then that's your deal. I'm not
>going to tell you your aren't correct for having the opinions you do, and
>I have every right to express my opinions on the subject.
>
>Oh hell, I don't even get on IRC that much anyway.
>
>Greycat

Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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You have to love the smooth way some people 'strike back' by letting every
know its not worth 'striking back'.

-Sternn (Bastard. and then some)

Marcus Pan wrote in message <35B5E7...@idt.net>...


>Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, we try to keep the mallgoths out. Thats why we kickban so many
people
>> like yourself.
>

Chijin

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Ron Cecchini <Ron.Ce...@GSC.GTE.Com> wrote in article
<Ron.Cecchini-2...@155.95.19.50>...

Yeah, but he makes me shovel!:)
Chijin<8P


little miss stacey

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Hello,
I thought I'd contribute my 2 cents to this little thread. Why? Well, for one, I
myself am an opper on EFnet #gothic. I'm not here to post insulting remarks or
incite further flaming on this topic. I'd just like an opportunity to post my
opinion to you all, which is why we all use Usenet to begin with.

I'm not denying that #gothic has a certain horrid reputation among the net.goth
community. I'm not here to defend it either. Indeed it is filled with some of
the most conservative-minded people around, which is interesting in itself, being
a goth channel, you'd think we're all bleeding-heart liberals. What you must
understand is it is a _very diverse group_ of people, not all of whom are goth,
and even some who are anti-goth. And if you find yourself being kickbanned, its
never for 'no reason'. We have some very good reasons.

I would like to equate it with this newsgroup. How many times do you find
yourself putting a certain subject in your killfile? Are you not tired of the
insanely numerous 'Is ____ Goth?' questions? Have not many of you created
friendships that extend beyond the Usenet medium? What about all the Trolls and
Newbies? Dare I even mention the incessant flaming that occurs? Do they not
irritate you to no end?

Next time you join our channel, please keep in mind that we are just another
clique, such as yourselves. You should also keep in mind that when you are on
IRC, you do not necessarily have the opportunity to post your opinion to
everyone. It is a different medium from Usenet, something that many people
quickly forget.

There are different dynamics to it indeed. You are representing yourself in
realtime. When some newbie joins we see their 8 letter nick and username@host even
before they begin to type anything. That is the first impression and many of us
judge (kick) based upon that. Nicks with alternating cApS or other ascii
[[_^ch4r4ct3rs^_]] are just plain annoying so you must be an annoying person.
Nicks of the cheesegoth type (DarkLord, TheCrow, AnneGwish) are both unoriginal
and silly, meaning you're really not the type of person we want to associate with.
Vampire related nicks are equally unappealing (#vampire down the hall and to the
right). If you survive the nick test, we move on to the communication test. The
difference on IRC from Usenet here is that you need to be able to communicate
intelligently quickly. No time to compose an insightful post. Simple and basic
netiquette will apply in this case. The rule of thumb is to lurk (not too long of
course or we'll kick you for idling) in order to get a feel of the personalities
and the flow of conversation (this applies to both IRC and Usenet). You'll soon
come to realize that for the most part, we do not take IRC seriously. If you have
a serious problem you need to seek professional help, not rant about it to us.
Most of the people on #gothic know each other irl. We do not have an obligation to
entertain you or even accept you into our group. We are just another clique of
people who generally agree with each other. For those of you who are interested,
there is a #gothic survival guide at: http://www.retina.net/~godeater/guide.html

Now as I said above, I'm not here to defend #gothic. I'm simply here to express
my view of things. Coming on our channel and telling us we're all wankers cuz we
kick you or flooding/spamming our channel is not a good way to make friends. Try
being a little diplomatic sometime. If you don't like the way our channel works,
there are numerous other goth channels on IRC (and other irc nets!, #alt.gothic,
#goth, #gothcafe). It's a free medium. We're not forcing you to be on #gothic.

And now for my response to Lady Greycat:
Lady Greycat wrote:

> In article <6p3ahb$alc$1...@winter.news.erols.com>, (cpts...@gothic.net)
>

> No, it's mentalities like this that keep most of the interesting people
> out.

You do realize, of course, that I could say the same about alt.gothic, but why
when it's just another waste of bandwidth?

.s


Lady Greycat

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In article <6p5lg5$h07$1...@winter.news.erols.com>, (cpts...@gothic.net)
Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn said in a loud stage whisper:

> Damn, someone really pissed on your cheerios this morning didn't they?
>
> -Sternn (Vindicator of #Gothic as well as a few 3rd world countries)

You are doing a swell job. Oh so swell. Actually, your replies only prove
my point:

Most of the people on #gothic are nothing but a bunch of witless
imbeciles.

Necr0angel

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>From: little miss stacey <jac...@ix.REMOVETHIS.netcom.com>

>And if you find yourself being kickbanned, its
>never for 'no reason'. We have some very good reasons.

Okay, so what's your reason, after I joined, and was kickbanned with the
message "learn to spell you FUCKER!" before I'd even said a word?

I can't wait to hear the explanation.

necroangel, necroangl on IRC due to a 9 letter limit.
http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/2671
"Peer pressure is what you do to people who are not, in your opinion, peers."
ICQ # 6471503
One of PapaPan's babygoffs

Lady Greycat

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In article <35B66E2A...@ix.REMOVETHIS.netcom.com>,
(jac...@ix.REMOVETHIS.netcom.com) little miss stacey said in a loud
stage whisper:
>
> You do realize, of course, that I could say the same about alt.gothic, but why
> when it's just another waste of bandwidth?

No, it's not. We don't "kick" anyone out. We ALWAYS give people chances
to prove us differently. There are alot of people here with some pretty
unimaginative nicks and have said some REALLY stupid trollish crap, and
likewise, been flamed for it, but came back, and proved their ground, and
we gave them that chance. You don't.

I agree that when I'm IRC and see "GoThCHIK3" I get irritated. But I
certainly wouldn't kick them until they started being an idiot. Then it's
free for all. And I have been an op in IRC, and I never kick banned
anyone for a stupid nick.

This is not a "clique" or a "club" no one has to be "soo cool" to join
here. I'm actually GLAD that this place doesn't have an ops system where
you can kick everyone you don't like out, the abuse of power would become
overwhelming.

And if this place EVER became as cliquish and childish as #gothic is, I
will leave this medium as I have pretty much left IRC. I will not
tolerate crap like that, and I won't be involved with it either.

But fortunately, our median age here is around 23 or so, unlike #gothic
which is in it's teens.

And besides, I really would like to know who came into #gothic and said
"You guys are weenies for kicking people for their nicks"? Because that
person is just as bad as you guys coming in here to "defend your honor".

And BTW...It doesn't take alot of time to write an insightful post. How I
talk here is how I talk in RL and IRC, off the top of my head. <As it is
apparent in some of my postings> there is no special talent to write
here, you just have to possess a quick wit.

Lady Greycat

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In article <01bdb5cd$4d8f4500$41aa...@nmc1b.alphanet.net>,
(midn...@goth.org) Midnight said in a loud stage whisper:
> Thomas Parkin <tpa...@drizzle.com> trired to write:
> [...]

> > For a flame to be truly effective has to demonstrate some
> > sort of insight into the thing or person it's flaming.
>
> And then there are those who can't construct a coherent sentence
> to save their lives, let alone an effective flame.

If that wasn't coherent, maybe you should go back to school.

Usually, they
> try to cover it up by:
>
> 1) Dropping names and kissing up,


>
> > Which is the main reason why TSM was masterful

That was not dropping names. It is well known that TSM is a masterful
flame maker, and has awed many by his wonderfully witty retorts.

>
> 2) Using big words that they saw in school, and


>
> > where so many others, who fall back on new
> > and admittedly interesting vulgarities, fail.

If any of these are "big words" you REALLY need to take a refresher basic
English course. Honestly. Is your vocabulary so limited? How sad.

>
> 3) Trying to string them together into sentences that look
> awfully pretentious, but somehow fail to make any sense at
> all, in any language known to humanity.


>
> > Far less effective than that
> > is pulling out catch words and applying them on oblvious assumptions.

Again, proving you need to go back to school. I looked for what you were
talking about, and well, I could read it. Maybe you can't, that's too
bad.

>
> But, of course, those kind of people are only evil irc trash,
> and would never stain the ivory towers of usenet.

How funny, since alot of people here are on IRC.

Please, before you TRY and flame someone, come up with some facts, ok?

Go back and play on your channel where you are considered a god by weak
minded fools.

Greycat
<I'd at least hoped that Juliet could come to AG and stand up for
#gothic, at least she can do it in such a way that would prove that
people on #gothic aren't all bad. Juliet!? Where are you?>

Lady Greycat

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In article <1998072301...@frippish.demon.co.uk>,
(nau...@pixie.net) timmie said in a loud stage whisper:
> Necr0angel <necr0...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> or should we begin to hold all a.g posters now personally responsable
> for _every_ flame that appears... because... of course... we can all
> control what every single poster does... and can go back and take back
> every single mistake or hutfulness that's ever been done to anyone...

No, but at least here you are allowed to retort. It's really almost
EXPECTED for people to retort. There, you can't even get a word in
because someone thinks it'd be cool to power trip. It's almost like a
form of censorship, and reminds me MUCH of high school.

This is one of the reasons I avoid IRC for the most part. And when I do
go on IRC, I tend to only go to #altgothic, because people tend to be a
bit more mature about things.


> timmie, getting bored...

So am I. None of the #gothic people have come back with anything good
YET. I'm about ready to killfile the whole thread, just so I don't have
to see their very lame attempts at flaming, tho I have to say that little
miss stacey has made a better point than the rest, since she was coherent
and tried to explain her side. I'll give her points for that.

Greycat

Pariahic

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little miss stacey wrote in message
<35B66E2A...@ix.REMOVETHIS.netcom.com>...

>And if you find yourself being kickbanned, its
>never for 'no reason'. We have some very good reasons.
>
>I would like to equate it with this newsgroup. How many times do you find
>yourself putting a certain subject in your killfile?

Not to take away from the rest of your point, but comparing a killfile to a
kick/ban is hardly fair.

A killfile limits what *you* see.

A kick/ban limits what *they* can say.

You are www.primenet.com/~bkern
What you do ICQ: 879171
When it counts. Pariah(-ic)
-The Masao

Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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The irony of these messages is endless. Constant attacks on the #Gothic
patrons for attacking others.

Witless imbeciles? Hrmmm.....immature, vindictive, and assholish (is that a
word?) maybe, but definitely not witless imbeciles. Witless imbeciles don't
make six figures a year.


Lady Greycat wrote in message ...


>In article <6p5lg5$h07$1...@winter.news.erols.com>, (cpts...@gothic.net)
>Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn said in a loud stage whisper:
>> Damn, someone really pissed on your cheerios this morning didn't they?
>>
>> -Sternn (Vindicator of #Gothic as well as a few 3rd world countries)
>
>You are doing a swell job. Oh so swell. Actually, your replies only prove
>my point:
>
>Most of the people on #gothic are nothing but a bunch of witless
>imbeciles.
>

Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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My ass. Midnight is right, that was a horrible paragraph. Yes, after
reading it a few times it made sense (even though it was wrong). If you
really want to be particular there are more grammatical errors in that
paragraph than I care to point out. I think thetas what they were saying
before your jumped down their throat.

>For a flame to be truly effective has to demonstrate some sort of insight
into the thing or person it's flaming.

What has to? 'It' has to? Is 'it' the preposition that is eluding the keen
diction of this profound author?

>Which is the main reason why TSM was masterful where so many others, who


fall back on newand admittedly interesting vulgarities, fail.

Why TSM was masterful? Come on now, just look at that sentence. Don't even
make me point out those errors...

>Far less effective than thatis pulling out catch words and applying them
on oblvious assumptions
What was 'far less effective'? If you plan on making references to prior
events or nouns, please include them or at least a nice pronoun (hey, theres
one called 'it' that seems to be giving you alot of problems. Try looking
'it' up - no pun intended). I'll also leave the 'than thatis' phrase alone
as well (I'm Captain Sternn, not Captain obvious - I'll let you figure that
one out).

My point being yes, if I took the time to decipher this poorly constructed
paragraph (which someone obviously, and alas, unfortunately, attempted to
write in a 'sophisticated' manner) you could see that it did have some what
of a point. I think.

-Sternn

Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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Go Stacey :)

little miss stacey wrote in message
<35B66E2A...@ix.REMOVETHIS.netcom.com>...

>Hello,
>I thought I'd contribute my 2 cents to this little thread. Why? Well, for
one, I
>myself am an opper on EFnet #gothic. I'm not here to post insulting remarks
or
>incite further flaming on this topic. I'd just like an opportunity to post
my
>opinion to you all, which is why we all use Usenet to begin with.
>
>I'm not denying that #gothic has a certain horrid reputation among the
net.goth
>community. I'm not here to defend it either. Indeed it is filled with
some of
>the most conservative-minded people around, which is interesting in itself,
being
>a goth channel, you'd think we're all bleeding-heart liberals. What you
must
>understand is it is a _very diverse group_ of people, not all of whom are
goth,

>and even some who are anti-goth. And if you find yourself being kickbanned,


its
>never for 'no reason'. We have some very good reasons.
>
>I would like to equate it with this newsgroup. How many times do you find

>You do realize, of course, that I could say the same about alt.gothic, but
why
>when it's just another waste of bandwidth?
>

>.s
>

Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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Why is there a chemical abbreviation for TIN? Why don't sheep shrink in the
rain? Why ask why?

Necr0angel wrote in message
<199807222325...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...


>>From: little miss stacey <jac...@ix.REMOVETHIS.netcom.com>

Daednu

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little miss stacey wrote:
<SNIP>

> and even some who are anti-goth. And if you find yourself being kickbanned, its
> never for 'no reason'. We have some very good reasons.

No, I was banned for *no* reason. That is why I felt so horrible. I
hadn't even said anything! And when I came back and tried again, I was
asked an opinion. I gave a noncommittal answer and was banned with a msg
saying "Don't disagree with me when I'm in a bad mood, fucker". It just
got worse from there.

*Daednu


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Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn wrote:
> The irony of these messages is endless. Constant attacks on the #Gothic
> patrons for attacking others.

Here you are allowed to reply though and we will read it. We may bitch
back and not like it, but we WILL give you a chance to say something
intelligible back. On #gothic, the moment you open your mouth in reply
to someone that in any way violates their "opinions," you are banned
from the channel and have no way of replying. Someone called it
"Hitleresque."

That's my beef. Can you explain that?



> Witless imbeciles? Hrmmm.....immature, vindictive, and assholish (is that a
> word?)

It's Usenet's poetic license. :) Feel free to wordplay your ass off so
long as it's understandable...which it was.

> maybe, but definitely not witless imbeciles.

Yeah, well, maybe you're not a witless imbecile. Even here you've made
a point above. But how are we to know if where kick/banned without
given a chance to find out, hmm?

Witless imbeciles don't
> make six figures a year.

Oh no? For your review, Exhibit A: Marilyn Manson.

P.S. On all the above points I've brought up, I'd be interested in
hearing a reply. No, not a flame, a real serious reply. This, as you
can tell, wasn't a flame. :)

Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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Woah - go Timmie. Excellent point. Very precise and on the mark. Not only
was that accurate, it basically summed up everything that hasn't been said
so far. Everyone can get an idea where everyone else stands by reading that
message. With that knowledge, all controversy could be ended.

Of course don't let this discourage anyone from flaming me personally, I'm
still an asshole either way...

-Sternn (Asshole extraordinary)

(The key word there is personally - my point being #Gothic people are
actually nice. Well, most of them. Excluding at least two (including
myself). Not naming names. Lets call the other one UJ.)

<smirk>

timmie wrote in message <1998072302...@frippish.demon.co.uk>...
>Necr0angel <necr0...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> >From: nau...@pixie.net (timmie)
>>
>> >did you leave a.g for good when someone flamed you for no good reason
>> >necroangel?...
>>
>> When i get flamed there's always a good reason(read: i'm being the usual
>> bitch;)), unless it's a troll trying to insult me...in fact that happened
>> today actually..i think his name was "walter"
>
>but that's the point...
>
>OK... become for a moment someone from #gothic..
>
>you're on a channel which advertises to the whole of efnet that "hey..
>we're goths talking about gothy things... just like a.g does to usenet..
>
>you get every idiot redneck/looser/sad wannabee/crow clone appearing and
>wanting to say their two cents worth... just like on a.g
>
>after a while you see the patters forming.. for a.g you see the posting
>names.. the intro post.. and sometimes the service provider as a clue..
>for #gothic it's usually just the nick and the first few words...
>
>on a.g the "tempramentally challenged" regulars get in early with a
>generic name flame or a "shut up about stinking vampires" flame before
>someone with a slightly more level head slaps the with an FAQ and
>re-educates them... _THEN_ you get to decide if their just a troll... on
>#gothic those who are mildly sick of the "fuck you gothics" and "MM i$
>s00 K3wl" idiots will effectively flame by kicking or kick/banning
>before anyone else has had a chance to evaluate whether nick necroangl
>was just a passing looser or a genuine interesting person.. if they're
>persistant often they'll find the ban removed after a little bit... if
>not.. well.. usually they're long gone... no second chance to say "oops
>we were wrong about you" as there is in usenet...
>
>same idiot trolls to both groups.. different methods defined by the
>limitations/strengths of the medium to counter it..
>
>it IS different.. it can't be judged by the same standards... but it
>only takes one kickban to make the whole group seem like ogres it
>seems...
>
>anyway.. i've ranted... i'm not cross.. i just think everyone's being
>silly.. and i don't like mutual friends badmouthed offline either...
>
>timmie, better now... :)
>
>
>--
>** > < slightly trembling with a strange mixture of unadulterated
>*** o o glee and inexplicable mind-numbing terror... the squirrel
> ** x stood firm... his vows memorized soundly...
> */" "\ ... and awaited the arrival of his bride.... :)

Cpt. Lincoln F. Sternn

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