fools
s.
ok, i'm sorry, i promised i wouldn't do this, but after reading all
that has been said here i NEED to say something.
let me introduce myself, i'm a friend of josh lenius. i'm sure most
of you don't know who that is, but that's ok because this letter is
only addressed to those of you who do.
let me explain a little. josh lenius is the boy that ellie burian
'eloquence' was madly and 'truly' in love with. they had given each
other rings and decided to get married, and they had even moved in
together and had been sharing the same bed up until a week or two ago.
then she went to convergence, that gothic convention you guys had in
boston. needless to say, she treated my friend like utter and
complete shit, betrayed his trust in the worst way, and doesn't feel
bad at all about doing so. let me explain a little more. if you
don't give a damn about any of this, or don't know these people,
please stop reading now. this will only waste your time.
and by the way, i'm changing my return email address because im
going to write this one thing and then im off of here for good. i
just have some things to say and i dont need or even want any
responses. i know there are two sides to EVERY story, and i always
give people the benefit of the doubt, but after reading what has been
posted on this news list and listening to josh for the past year, ive
seen both sides and i really need to say something about it.
maybe some of you who have been reading alt gothic for a while can
remember to last year at around this time. maybe you remember how
ellie went on and on about how great it was to find the ONE and TRUE
love in josh, and the glory of finding her soulmate and all those
other fabulous lies. apparently she went on about it for a long time,
but for those of you who didn't read that, let me give you an idea
with what ellie had written about josh on her homepage. josh mailed
this to me a long time ago, and at first i though it was very
charming. apparently ellie has now taken it off her homepage, which
is no suprise. it would suck to advertise what a liar and flighty
brat you are, but let me reprint part of what she had said for context
sake.:
'I realized that I loved him so much more than I had ever loved
anyone else, and we together understood that we were made for each
other and all that romantic silliness that sounds so beautiful. It was
True Love (tm), and we were now very determined that nothing would get
in our way, and it hasn't. We have learned so much from each other,
and I personally have become an improved person for meeting him. He
has taught me so much in the way of being a more relaxed and less
stressed person (I'm _still_ working on it, believe me...).
Josh is my soulmate, and we are engaged to be married in, well, a
couple of years... "Fuck me and marry me eventually for tax purposes."
But we do both have rings, very thin silver bands that cost five
dollars each at a cheesy jewelry store in town. But we love the fact
that they are so simple and yet so ultimately meaningful. I love him
with all of my heart, unconditionally, and I never want to be with
anyone else ever. It's rather intense. We're living together now,
which is a wonderful thing... we get to snuggle to sleep every night
and bicker in the morning. I will always love him forever and ever.'
let me add a few details to this fun story. ellie and josh were far
from a perfect relationship, but from what i SAW, he really did love
her, and from what she SAID she really loved him. there was no doubt
they were having VERY rough spots for some time, but they were trying
very hard to keep it all together. i know josh fucked up a LOT in
that relationship, but i also know that ellie did too. the cool thing
though was that it seemed like they were always willing to try to make
their love work out, because they seemed to know that they really were
in TRUE love, something many people is worth living and dying for.
anyhow, after a struggling through a lot of difficult and painful
times they had BOTH agreed to keep trying and not see other people
until they really decided whether or not they wanted to be together.
(even though i guess that ellie just told josh the other day that 'he
decided that' and not her. yeah, whatever ellie. if that were true
you should've said something right then and there instead of creating
this convenient excuse after the fact) then she went to convergence
and met this 'boo' guy. i'm sure from the drivel that those two have
been posting that all of you are more than aware of their newfound
'relationship', and any of you at convergence know that they were more
than a little close. it goes without saying that ellie and boo did
what they did despite her promises to josh, despite and 'love' she
felt for him, and despite any feeligs he had for her, and that she
suddenly 'decided' it was ok for her to betray her 'love' and
committment to him.
ok boo, i don't blame you and you couldn't have known the truth
about elly, i've now seen what a brilliant deciever she is, and i'm
sure she did more than a good job of keeping josh out of conversation
enitrely. however, you should've been at least smart enough to ask
the question, because you knew about josh and you knew they lived
together. but i guess if you knew all that and didn't care you're
jsut as much a shit as ellie is. and you say that you two had been
flirting since FEBRUARY?! and you knew that ellie and josh were
heavily invloved?! actually i take it back, you ARE just as much a
shit as ellie is. perhaps you two really do deserve each other.
and don't you dare gimme some line about how you two met and it jsut
clicked and it was all shiny and happy. infatuation exists for sure,
but people usually learn to deal with and control those rushes of
emotion in middle school. there is such a thing as loyalty and
honesty and i will never accept the idiotic idea that 'you just
couldn't help yourselves' or 'it just felt so right'. those are
pathetic excuses to cover the fact that you were betraying someone
else, and it DOESN"T EVER make it ok. it's called learning to be an
adult, maybe someday you'll try it someday.
to make this long story a little shorter (too late), after she got
back from convergence, ellie lied up and down about what happened, and
josh had to find out bit by bit on his OWN what she had really done.
i don't know if any of you have ever been dumped for someone else, but
its the worst fucking feeling in the world, and finding out on your
OWN is even worse. a few years ago my now ex-boyfriend dumped me for
some other girl and i felt like the smallest lowest most worthless
piece of shit in the universe, even though i hadn't done anything
wrong. its very VERY difficult to recover from, and the fucking
shittiest part is that this little brat was able to drop josh from her
heart and change her emotions completely overnight!!! she met someone
new and after knowing him for THREE DAYS (i don't care what you say
boo, it was three days - can you honestly tell me that you KNOW
someone from over e-mail and a few phone calls? NOBODY is their
absolute true self over the internet, NOBODY), then she DECIDES that
he is her new love and josh is out the fucking door. just DAYS before
that josh and ellie were sleeping in the same bed and doing things and
saying that only lovers do. and in a matter of days ellie decides
that she doesn't want that or feel any of that any more, and that its
all over and she needs to 'be alone'. ALONE? yeah right ellie, youre
not alone, youve just run to the arms of someone else!!! you two may
not live in the same city but its obvious that your not 'alone'! you
fawn over him like no tomorrow, and you even go so far as to call
yourself his PROPERTY!? the incredibly weak and callow mentality that
it takes to do that blows my mind! my god, am i back in kindergarten?
you sound like a couple of children with your giggles and your
promises and insinuations! you two may call yourselves sickeningly
sweet, but trust me youre just sickening.
and believe me, i bitched at josh for hours after i found out that
you dumped him. why? because you had done it to him before! last
year you dumped josh for another guy, out of the blue just like this
time, when a new, far more exciting possibility cropped up! and i had
to be there for him THAT time too! i suppose it's his own damn fault
for putting his faith in such a flighty little brat a second time,
huh? and apparently you've done it to others even before josh!!!
are you EVER going to grow up??
and now reading what those two have posted on here, i'm just
FLOORED! you two think you LOVE each other? and now you've decided
that you're MOVING there to be with boo?? after THREE DAYS? damn, i
just can' t BELIEVE this! that's the most childish and abusrd thing
ive heard in my entire life! Are you two 21 or 12!?
and ellie i'm sorry if this stuff hurts, but i hope youre reading
this in tears because i know josh and i had to listen to him crying
over you for too fucking long. don't worry though, i told him to get
over you because god knows someone like you isn't worth it. i cant
believe he even stood UP for you and tried to defend your cruelty,
after how youve treated him. youre 21 years old for gods sake, start
acting like a woman and not a fucking GIRL! josh put his faith in you
and belived in you and tried despite all the difficulties to keep you
two together, because he knew he LOVED you and foolishly believed that
you loved him! he did things he knew would hurt BOTH of you, not
because he wanted to, but because he needed to prove to himself and to
you that it was pure, TRUE love (HA!). he NEVER once emotionally
betrayed you. but you, you little insecure brat you have the BALLS to
fall for the next best thing that you think comes along, and throw
away everything else you had like a bad habit, call yourself his damn
PROPERTY , claim youre in 'love' and then pack up your entire life and
move out there!! just read what you had written about him on your
homepage!! do you even REMEMBER how you used to feel, or are you so
entirely inhuman that you can erase it altogether, just like that? it
would certainly appear that way, since you didn't even mourn your loss
for a second, he was out and boo was in, just like that don't even
blink a goddamnned eye! youre such a fucking little selfish, flighty,
immature liar!! and don't give me that line about 'over time people
change', because i know they DO, but they don't completely REVERSE
their feelings over-goddamned-night! if you felt that you two were
drifting apart, you should have said something to josh LONG ago! if
you didn't want to stay faithful to him, you should never have said
you were going to! and if i ever hear anyone say the line 'i lied
because i didnt want to hurt you' ever again im going to scream. you
say things like that in middle school, and then you realize that being
an adult means being honest and not rationalizing your lies by
claiming that its to protect the other person and not your own
worthless ass. ellie, you need to grow the fuck up, and trust me,
running away to another city to simply become dependent on boo, your
thrilling new three day lover, is NOT the way to do it...
i hope you regret this mistake for the rest of your life ellie,
because you had true love and you threw it away, and true love is the
honestly rarest thing on this planet. even if you really DID manage
to fall out of love with josh, you handled it in the most insecure,
selfish, childish and absolutely WORST way possible. and boo i hope
you have the common sense to recognize ellie's ability to do this,
over and fucking over again, and the fuck out NOW. if you fall for
her, she'll just do the same damn thing to you, she's proven that
she's more than capable of turning her emotions off just like THAT.
so there, i've said my piece, and it was mean and whatever. yes,
its a 'flame', its vicious, and i'm sure that more than one of you are
amazed that i feel i have the right to say all those things. i'm
usually a very calm and understanding person, but i just couldn't
believe what those two were saying, and i will not listen to anyone
discredit a true love. i apologize wholeheartedly to those of you who
weren't involved, and i apologize even more to those of you who don't
care, and i'm sorry i took up your time and space. ill have to
apologize even more to josh because i told him id stay out of it. but
after reading all this first hand i felt that someone needed to pierce
this childish lie that ellie and boo keep spewing over this news list
and shine some painful truth onto their storybook 'love'. for those
of you who are amazed at my gall, dont worry, im never going to post
on this news list again. i just needed to vent this one time. im
very sorry if i irritated any of you who were not involved in this in
any way. please, just delete this message and pretend it never even
existed.
as for you 'eloquence' (as ironically poor a choice that is for your
name), even if the worst possible things happens to you and your life
is utter shit, you deserve it, because you threw away true love for a
fling. and if you believe that you and boo even have a prayer in hell
of working out, im sorry to inform you that youre going to be
painfully mistaken. but dont let me stop you two from deceiving
yourselves into thinking otherwise, maybe you'll actually learn
something from the pain and regret youre going to experience from such
a stupid decision. i just hope now that josh has the common sense to
get you out of his mind and heart forever and realize that hes
incredibly LUCKY to have lost you. if you've hurt him so that he
can't believe in love ever again, i swear i'll find you and make your
life even more horrible than it is. you can just stop with your
little moronic romantic letters about your sickening infatuation,
because its so obvious that they're written by someone with the
emotional experience and capabilities of a 5 year old and they're just
not true. i hope you live the rest of your life in total regret over
your idiotic childisih decision. i hope you never EVER recover.
s.
Lady Bathory
"s." <vo...@void.void> wrote the tackiest piece of shit i've ever had the
misfortune to sift thru on this newsgroup, & hid behind an anonymous
address revealing herself for the cowardly cunt that she obviously is.
Elly: I obviously don't know what if any of this is true, & frankly, i
don't give a flying fuck. My sincerest sympathies go out to you that this
"s." person felt justified in airing your dirty laundry world-wide simply
because her pal felt burned in the whole situation. If you fell out of
love w/this josh guy, well, that happens. If he didn't get the message
until a couple weeks ago, well, that too happens. Whatever the situation,
remember that this is *your* life, & you make the decisions, no matter
what somebody else throws at you.
There may be ppl on here who eat up this post & write you off, but hey,
most of us are anonymous, faceless ppl whose given names you don't even
know. Fuck it. Do what you feel you need to do.
Raphrat: Stick by yr gal, my boy. After this sort of personal attack,
she'll likely need it. I would.
BTW, re the following quote:
>if you've hurt him so that he
>can't believe in love ever again, i swear i'll find you and make your
>life even more horrible than it is.
I'm sure Madison, WI isn't so small & "Josh's" circle of friends so vast
that you've no clue who this chickie-poo is. The above constitutes
assault (i don't think one has to jump to conclusions to interpret the
above as a threat), & i'd wager that the entire post could be construed
as slander, esp since it was posted to Usenet. If sure a bit of
a.g.SF-style research can yield the girl's service provider, the
postmaster of which should definitely receive a letter.
--
Lady Bathory
e. rainbow burian
I
do
not
need
to
take
this
SHIT
from
ANYONE.
FUCK
OFF.
-eloquence-
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Fox
You can say a lot of things about that post. You can agree or
disagree with the content if you know the couple or you can state your
own views on the validity of the statements on 'true love'.
But I'll say this one thing.
That has to be one of the most impelling flames I have ever read. I
don't know any of the players mentioned but, for sheer mastery of the
medium, I am utterly impressed.
It's a shame she'll never know.
Fox
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Bradley W Zimmerman
do not reply to this thread, let it die.
a few facts:
1. the "Josh Lenius" page at -eloquence-'s
URL was put up during the first month they
were going out.
2. since then Josh had been psychologically
abusing her and treating her like a lesser
individual, which escalated as the relationship
progressed.
3. i knew about all of this several months in
advance BEFORE C2.
4. i bear no personal ill will to Josh Lenius
who was always cordial to myself. the person
who wrote the "fools" post is NOT Josh Lenius,
so please do not email him.
5. the opinions of the one writing the "fools"
post are simply one side of the story. the side of a
friend of the one who got the short end of the stick.
at least Josh still has friends in Madison....
6. if you have not read the "fools" post, don't
bother. it is simply PUBLIC character assassination upon
an alt.gothic regular by one who's sole purpose
for logging onto the newsgroup was to slander.
once again,
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD. IT IS CAUSING MUCH PAIN TO
ONE PERSON WHO DOES NOT DESERVE IT.
_LET THIS THREAD DIE_
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Stained
Lady Bathory wrote:
> There may be ppl on here who eat up this post & write you off, but hey,
> most of us are anonymous, faceless ppl whose given names you don't even
> know. Fuck it. Do what you feel you need to do.
I agree with Lady Bathory. Every story has at least two sides, this one
appears to have three. Elly doesn't have to justify her actions to
anyone, except herself, and if she is happy with the decisions that she's
made, then that's all that matters.
An attack of this manner is not only cowardly, but essentially useless.
It accomplishes nothing except to make all of us wonder what kind of
loser this "S" person is, and why isn't Josh out there fighting his own
battles? Even if he is as hurt as she says he is, even if everything she
says is true, is it really any of her business?
Shit happens, and everyone goes through emotional traumas like this one.
It's never enjoyable, but we ALL have been, or will be in a relationship
that breaks down. Posting a message like this one only makes matters far
worse for everyone involved.
Elly, although we've never met, or even corresponded through mail or on
this ng, you have my support; do what makes you happy, and be true to
yourself. In the end, that's all that really matters.
Sheryl
Lady Bathory
f...@scio.demon.co.uk (Fox) wrote:
>You can say a lot of things about that post. You can agree or
>disagree with the content if you know the couple or you can state your
>own views on the validity of the statements on 'true love'.
>
>But I'll say this one thing.
>
>That has to be one of the most impelling flames I have ever read. I
>don't know any of the players mentioned but, for sheer mastery of the
>medium, I am utterly impressed.
>
>It's a shame she'll never know.
Don't read Usenet much, eh?
& no, i *don't* consider myself to truly know raphrat or elly, except via
email, or this josh fella at all. But i found the post to be a pathetic
attempt at personal slander & ranks down there on my flame-o-meter w/"I
know you are but what am i?" & "i'm rubber, you're glue."
Cheap shots, threats, & dragging personal life BS onto a national forum
are to my mind in NO way impressive. The entire thing was witless,
lacking in humourous zingers that defy comeback, verbose, & stylistically
poor. "Mastery of the medium?" Egads, man, get yr ass over to alt.flame &
obtain a frame of reference.
--
Lady Bathory
Anubis
*sigh*
Alright, I suppose I should stand up from the back row and say
something. Hello, yes, this is Joshua Lenius, the *one* that has been
mentioned regarding the 'fools' thread, among other things. There are
just a few points I really need to bring up.
Even as I'm typing this, I'm debating whether or not I should hit the
"send" key... This is not my forum per se, and elly has already
expressed a severe distaste to the idea of me invading 'her' newsgroup.
Therefore please realize that I say what I say with extreme
apprehension, but again, I feel I must say something... Along those
lines, after reading some of the rather intriguing posts on here
(completely irrelevant of elly), I haven't decided whether or not I will
continue to read and/or post here. If I DO decide to post ever again,
it will be completely REGARDLESS of elly's presence and simply for my
own curiousity and interest. If I choose read this newsgroup, I have
just as much right (and enough sympathies) as anyone else to post here.
If you don't want me to read what you post, send it over e-mail.
*ahem*
First of all, just to clarify a bit, I asked my friend ("s.") NOT to
post anything on here. She has been a very close friend of mine for a
long time, and has followed my relationship with elly from start to
finish. I had merely told her of recent events and she wanted to see
what alt.gothic was like to get a first hand view of the situation...
In fact, I made her PROMISE not to post anything, which she chose to
forego. I still haven't had a chance to speak to her since it was
posted, but as of now I'm still not even sure what I'll say to her...
I'll speak more on "justice" later...
Secondly, there are NOT two sides to every story. There are as many
sides to a story as there are people on this planet, making that about
TWO TRILLION sides, non? There is NEVER a "right" and a "wrong" side to
take, and even if only ONE person in the entire world disagreed with the
other two trillion, that person is NO less right or wrong than the rest
of them. There is NO such thing as an absolute TRUTH when it comes to
judgements of right and wrong. Statements like "Josh had been
psychologically abusing her" and "youre [elly] such a fucking little
selfish, flighty, immature liar" and even "That has to be one of the
most impelling flames I have ever read." are ALL JUST OPINIONS BASED
UPON A SOLE VIEWPOINT...their own. NO ONE is right and NO ONE is wrong.
Unfortunately, often times people will neglect solid evidence of a
statement's validity and instead choose to believe the side that makes
them happiest. Whether or not this is "wrong"...who can say? It just
reflects how opinions can become seriously tainted by what a person's
heart tells them versus their mind. (But that's what makes a person a
person, non?) My point to this statement is that everyone operates from
the window of their own side. Boo has only ever seen elly's side, from
elly's mouth, as is true with the rest of you. I believe this is why my
friend said a lot of what she said; to inject a secondary viewpoint
into a one-sided conversation. Whether or not she had a "right" to do
that will never be answered.
Thirdly, elly has been airing her personal laundry on here for some
time now. I therefore hold nothing against my friend for deciding to
air some of the negative laundry. Again, I guess my friend read what
had been written and disliked the one-sidedness of it all. This is,
after all, a public newsgroup.
And Stained, I agree, elly does not have to justify her actions to
ANYONE. She DOES however, have to deal with the repercussions.
EVERYONE must take responsibility for their actions, and if someone
believes that have made the best choice, he or she should face the
consequences of it proudly and firmly. And as you can see, yes I WILL
fight my own battles here (no offense, please :).
And Boo, when you say that this thread is "CAUSING MUCH PAIN TO ONE
PERSON WHO DOES NOT DESERVE IT", bear in mind what I said about facing
the consequences of actions. The word "deserve" is a painfully loaded
term, and again two trillion people would all have two trillion
different opinions about whether or not elly "deserved" that post. All
I ask of anyone is that they face the consequences of their actions,
whatever they may be, justified or not. If elly believes in herself and
is resolute in her decisioins, that post should not have made her blink
an eye.
As a personal note, attempting to detach myself from situation as much
as possible (very difficult, yes I know), I need to agree with Fox...
deserved or not, painful or not, >I< thought it was a rather impelling
flame... But again, I can recognize that hell hath no fury...
One final note from myself to elly: Why did you call *me* for support
after reading that post? I asked you NOT to call me anymore. Can you
understand the annoying confusion that puts in my heart? I am NOT the
one for you to run to anymore. You threw that away.
Remember?
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oddlystrange
elly and boo --
I'm really sorry that someone out there felt that the best form of seeking
revenge was to slander your names on usenet.
whatever did happen was none of our business and is something that needs
to be dealt with yourself in whatever way you felt justified in doing it.
Haveing been on the bad end of a bitter ex-lover I know how shitty this
is.
Whoever wrote this has a lot of gall and is obviously all the names he was
calling elly. If he was anything worth his shit he would have AT THE VERY
LEAST had the balls to post his name with it. If he was a true adult he
would have spoken with you directly and not felt that slandering you was
the "adult" route to go.
Whoever this is is no worse than the trolls on here.
I just want you to know this didn't do squat to what many of us think
about both of you.
oddlystrange
(who also thinks his little "threat" was inane)
oddlystrange
Anubis (jmle...@students.wisc.edu) wrote:
well i award elly like *2 trillion* points for dumping this loser.
he's obviously really good at doing the mindfuck thing.
he won't be all that good at doing it here though.
sorry whoever you are your post gets no cookie from me. I never once say
elly hanign her dirty laundry up here.
thank-you for stinking up tha place.
oddlystrange
(who more than anything else despises people who think that mindfucking
people is a good way to hurt them)
Ren
s. wrote:
>
(published sob novel snipped)
> not true. i hope you live the rest of your life in total regret over
> your idiotic childisih decision. i hope you never EVER recover.
>
> s.
Yes. I followed the soap opera. I guess writing a fucking novel was good
theapy for you. So, here is the response you didn't want.
"That was then, this is now; people change; so don't have a cow."
They have a drug for people like you. It's called prozac.
Good luck to you and Josh. I'm glad you've found someone.
P.S. people fall out of love sometimes, live with it.
face iz white! eyes iz tired!
In article <4vr0at$b...@nomad.urich.edu>, nels...@urvax.urich.edu wrote:
[some stuff about dirty laundry (people love it when you lose...)[
> so someone cheated on your friend
> LET THEM WORK IT OUT
> YOU DONT NEED TO INTEREFERE THIS MUCH
> damn that pissed me off
> good job, troll god
i think i like erin. not only is nimue an *excellent* choice of account
names, but the idea that this whole thing really didnt need to be aired
here is quite agreeable to me.
thats all.
so i give her the official "hey! you stole my thoughts!" award of
the day from perkygoff world headquarters.
lurve
-joel
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NIMUE
> and by the way, i'm changing my return email address because im
going to write this one thing and then im off of here for good.
thats prolly as good thing
regardless of what is true, or how much
personal problems are PERSONAL
if you have such an incredibly problem with this person, why didnt you
PERSONALYLY email her?
were you that convinced that she would be more likely to read it on
an international newsgroup than in her own mailbox?
or are you really that interested in trying to make everyone possible
hate someone they may not even know
that is the shittiest and cruelest post ive ever seen
and wish i hadnt
and i didnt even read the last few pages, which i can only imagine
were even worse
so someone cheated on your friend
LET THEM WORK IT OUT
YOU DONT NEED TO INTEREFERE THIS MUCH
damn that pissed me off
good job, troll god
erin
Fox
Previously, Lady Bathory wrote:
>Cheap shots, threats, & dragging personal life BS onto a national forum
>are to my mind in NO way impressive. The entire thing was witless,
>lacking in humourous zingers that defy comeback, verbose, & stylistically
>poor. "Mastery of the medium?" Egads, man, get yr ass over to alt.flame &
>obtain a frame of reference.
OK, I'll admit I don't read many groups on the usenet so my 'frame of
reference' is a tad limited. I'll bow to your greater wisdom on this
one.
Fox
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\O O/ O
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William C Isenhour
Alright,
that was fun.
Everyone had their say?
Great.
Have everything off of your chests?
Wonderful.
I hereby declare this thread dead.
Please honor this,
I despise seeing my friends miserable.
It makes me ANGRY.
--TSM
Bradley W Zimmerman
PLEASE END THIS THREAD NOW.
A. Dominy-Cusraque
f...@scio.demon.co.uk (Fox) is Easy:
>That has to be one of the most impelling flames I have ever read. I
>don't know any of the players mentioned but, for sheer mastery of the
>medium, I am utterly impressed.
Do U Jest,
or
Need U Get Out More?
Monkeys can Fling Shit 2.
Stay Intact,
- A
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Indeed, This Face A.Dominy-Cusraque
has been Burned by Tears Praefectus
My Lace is Tattered, & I Am On Fire... Cusr...@tiac.net
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Fox
Previously, oddlystrange wrote:
>oddlystrange
>
>(who more than anything else despises people who think that mindfucking
>people is a good way to hurt them)
So, if Elly did call Josh for support after S.'s post (as he claims)
who would be doing the mindfucking?
I ask merely out of curiosity of course.
Fox
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\O O/ O my sense of superiority at the same time."
\o/ X
x
s. wrote:
>
> ok, i'm sorry, i promised i wouldn't do this, but after reading all
> that has been said here i NEED to say something.
ugg. I'm usually silent, but I can't believe I wasted my time reading
this; what a collosal waste of disk space. It belongs on the bottom of
a bargain bin in Walmart with trashy novels.
As usual I concur w/ Cusraque & Lady Bathory on their comments.
-x
(christian)
Leonora The KittenLady
STOP THIS THREAD...PLEASE...
-Leonora
If you're going to correspond about it , do it through email or
something...
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Ken Nagle
Also sprach Anubis:
: *sigh*
: Alright, I suppose I should stand up from the back row and say
: something. Hello, yes, this is Joshua Lenius, the *one* that has been
: mentioned regarding the 'fools' thread, among other things.
Well hello Mr. Fancy Pants....
<twenty goth points and a used shower head for the first person to
correctly identify the quote>
From my position, which I deem as the most important side of the story, I
see some major problems with you and your friend's little posts, esp.
considering you never wanted to be contacted regarding this again. [1]
If you want to be left alone, it is best you do your best to leave the
other person alone. Attempts to "get back" at them on an international
forum look quite petty, despite any intentions to the contrary.
Many of us have been in nasty situations. I can discuss my ex and
problems I had with her, problems that were solved only by ignoring her.
I recommend you do the same.
: As a personal note, attempting to detach myself from situation as much
: as possible (very difficult, yes I know), I need to agree with Fox...
: deserved or not, painful or not, >I< thought it was a rather impelling
: flame...
Actually, in terms of raw flamage, it sucked. Too long and repetitive.
Add to it the fact that it was a petty stab in the back, it gets no point
and no cookie for little miss muffit.
: But again, I can recognize that hell hath no fury...
...like a woman scorned. Now how exactly has she been scorned? None of
Raph's and Elly's post were directed at her.
: One final note from myself to elly: Why did you call *me* for support
Because it's obvious that you are the only person who could intercede in
this situation. Elly or Raph talking to S. would be meaningless.
Despite S.'s statement, I quite believe she is still lurking here on the
group, trying to see what damage she caused. Rarely does someone who puts
that much into a post not stick around to see what happens. She's no
better than any other troll except that she really hurt a few of my
friends. For that, I will work hard to make her feel unwelcome. That is
something I do very rarely. Congratulations, S., you've worked hard more
this....
Vlad
1- "I asked you NOT to call me anymore." jmle...@students.wisc.edu
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Stained
Lady Bathory wrote:
>
> Now, following my own advice, who wants to talk about desserts?
>
> --
> Lady Bathory
Well, someone will prolly tell us to go to rec.food.cooking, or
rec.food.baking, but the girl with the big knives and the silly white hat
is always up for talk about food, or eating food, or playing with food...
I made a pretty cool black forest birthday cake for the guys from DHI
over the weekend. Cream cheese frosting and all.
Any favourites out there? Lady B? Christabel?
Cheers
Sheryl
(If I knew you were comin', I'd have baked a cake..."
Lady Bathory
Did you know that one definition for a fool is "A cold dessert made from
whipped cream mixed with fruit puree"?
& why am i responding to "the taboo thread", you ask? Because all you
peripherals are being hamhanded *idiots*. You want a thread to die? Don't
respond to it. Period. Even to peal out yr desperate plea of "please stop
responding to this thread." Or change 1.) the subject line, & 2.) the
topic of discussion. (You are at present reading a prime example.)
"fools" would have died Sunday w/no responses other than a smattering of
supportive rallies if a drove of well-meaners hadn't cascaded the
aforementioned sentence.
Truth is, if you *really* give shit one about a couple of ppl, you'll
start a million new threads on topics like "Describe your favorite PVC
clothing item!" or "My gothic orgasm" or some such. You'll stop
stealthily underscoring their hurt by implying yr own on-the-sly email
involvement by yeah-ditto-ing the 3-5 forerunners.
Rosaleen Dhu
In article <5000n7$4...@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Lady Bathory
<rep...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> wrote:
> Now, following my own advice, who wants to talk about desserts?
mmmmm....Creme Brulee....vanilla custard with a carmalized
sugar crust....white chocolate and berries all over the top...
Blast...CRAVING!!!!! Why can't that french place
deliver??
(ps Lady B you are the shit *grin*)
--
May all your evenings be irrationally enchanting,
Rosaleen Dhu
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In turmoil and torture we trust.
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"And he tells himself, it'll be ok....
happiness is just a life away"
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Jen Radon
Stained (sta...@interlog.com) wrote:
: I made a pretty cool black forest birthday cake for the guys from DHI
Mmmmm! My mom told me she was going to make a black forest cheesecake
for my birthday this weekend! <drool>
I've got a small can of green chilies that I'm going to throw in a
brownie mix one of these nights. Has anyone here ever done this? The
Frugal Gourmet highly recommends it, so I thought I'd give it a try.
I haven't a clue what it will taste like, but hey, would The Frugal
Gourmet lie???
-'Seph
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Rosaleen Dhu
> I've got a small can of green chilies that I'm going to throw in a
> brownie mix one of these nights.
humm...sounds rather intimidating. Let us know how it
turns out.
What next? Cajun Cheesecake anyone? ;>
Stained
Jen Radon wrote:
>
> Jillian Sutter (unse...@wizards.com) wrote:
> : (See what you've started. Now I'm gonna have to go bake this weekend.)
>
> net.goth Bakeoff, anyone? <g>
WooHoo!!
Oh.
You were just joking weren't you? :(
Awwwww, heck!
Cheers
Sheryl
Trying to decide if it's too much trouble to make biscotti today.
William C Isenhour
Whatever happened to those instructions
on how to make black Jell-o?
I think I'm going to make
someone a Cockroach jiggler. . .
--TSM
Rosaleen Dhu
> William C Isenhour <wi...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Whatever happened to those instructions
> > on how to make black Jell-o?
That reminds me of something fun a friend of mine
does whenever we're feeling creepy and we want to get
plastered (read: every other weekend).
She makes up a huge batch of cherry jello with the
ultra fun additives of vodka and chambord. After it's
set a bit she scoops the concoction into these pretty
little skull cups (the top shuts for easy transport
to the Den of Iniquity of choice).
Alchoholic sweet squishy BRAINS. Generally takes
only two before the world starts lookin' REAL purty.
Jen Radon
Rosaleen Dhu (shado...@infoave.net) wrote:
: In article <5006v8$m...@vega.sysalt.com>, j...@sysalt.com (Jen Radon) wrote:
: > I've got a small can of green chilies that I'm going to throw in a
: > brownie mix one of these nights.
: humm...sounds rather intimidating. Let us know how it
: turns out.
Well, if you can believe The Frugal Gourmet ;) chocolate and chilies are
quite a popular combination in traditional, Mexican food. I did try his
suggestion of cocoa in your favorite chili recipe, and it really was pretty
good. I still can't imagine chilies in brownies, but I'll let you know.
Perhaps chocolate really does go with everything! (I mean if you can eat
it with ants, are chilies really that dramatic??? ;)
: What next? Cajun Cheesecake anyone? ;>
...a little onyeeeon...a little - oh hell, A LOT of wiiiiine...OOOOO-WEEEE!
Breton M Bienvenue
William C Isenhour (wi...@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: Whatever happened to those instructions
: on how to make black Jell-o?
OK, here's three easy ways to make black JELL-O.
1) buy it. JELL-O makes a black berry flavored JELL-O that isn't too bad,
or at least they did six months ago when I last bought it.
2) dye it. Black food coloring does exist although it is hard to find.
Also try using normal (red, green, blue) dyes and mixing it with various
JELL-O colors to make black, blood red, or whatever color you want.
TSM, as an art-major goth, probably has a better grasp of color theory
than I do and could give better instructions.
3) try it. Coffee jello. You have to do this from scratch and it is
actually dark brown, not black, but it tastes so good. Also, it is
the only jello with caffine in it :) First buy knox unflavored gelatin.
This is the part of JELL-O that makes it gel. It's usually in the
baking goods section or next to the JELL-O in the grocery store. Next
make a pot of coffee. Drink most, but let some sit on the warmer all
day and get good and strong. Use this as the boiling liquid to make the
jello. Add sugar too or it is a bit bitter.
: I think I'm going to make
: someone a Cockroach jiggler. . .
The coffee jello might work well for this. It has that shiny-brown
chitinous exoskeleton look you want to achieve for a good cheap scare.
: --TSM
-Breton(I can't believe I wrote a whole post on JELL-O)Bienvenue
PS: If any CMU goth (or any Pa goth) wants to send me some Apple Butter,
I'll mail you some Buffalo Wings or some other Buffalo only food item.