s.
Elly: I obviously don't know what if any of this is true, & frankly, i
don't give a flying fuck. My sincerest sympathies go out to you that this
"s." person felt justified in airing your dirty laundry world-wide simply
because her pal felt burned in the whole situation. If you fell out of
love w/this josh guy, well, that happens. If he didn't get the message
until a couple weeks ago, well, that too happens. Whatever the situation,
remember that this is *your* life, & you make the decisions, no matter
what somebody else throws at you.
There may be ppl on here who eat up this post & write you off, but hey,
most of us are anonymous, faceless ppl whose given names you don't even
know. Fuck it. Do what you feel you need to do.
Raphrat: Stick by yr gal, my boy. After this sort of personal attack,
she'll likely need it. I would.
BTW, re the following quote:
>if you've hurt him so that he
>can't believe in love ever again, i swear i'll find you and make your
>life even more horrible than it is.
I'm sure Madison, WI isn't so small & "Josh's" circle of friends so vast
that you've no clue who this chickie-poo is. The above constitutes
assault (i don't think one has to jump to conclusions to interpret the
above as a threat), & i'd wager that the entire post could be construed
as slander, esp since it was posted to Usenet. If sure a bit of
a.g.SF-style research can yield the girl's service provider, the
postmaster of which should definitely receive a letter.
--
Lady Bathory
FUCK
OFF.
-eloquence-
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But I'll say this one thing.
That has to be one of the most impelling flames I have ever read. I
don't know any of the players mentioned but, for sheer mastery of the
medium, I am utterly impressed.
It's a shame she'll never know.
Fox
--
Choke on guilt that's far too good for you
/\_/\ F Say one word I'll laugh and bury you
\O O/ O Leave you in the place where you left me
\o/ X Garbage - As Heaven Is Wide
do not reply to this thread, let it die.
a few facts:
1. the "Josh Lenius" page at -eloquence-'s
URL was put up during the first month they
were going out.
2. since then Josh had been psychologically
abusing her and treating her like a lesser
individual, which escalated as the relationship
progressed.
3. i knew about all of this several months in
advance BEFORE C2.
4. i bear no personal ill will to Josh Lenius
who was always cordial to myself. the person
who wrote the "fools" post is NOT Josh Lenius,
so please do not email him.
5. the opinions of the one writing the "fools"
post are simply one side of the story. the side of a
friend of the one who got the short end of the stick.
at least Josh still has friends in Madison....
6. if you have not read the "fools" post, don't
bother. it is simply PUBLIC character assassination upon
an alt.gothic regular by one who's sole purpose
for logging onto the newsgroup was to slander.
once again,
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD. IT IS CAUSING MUCH PAIN TO
ONE PERSON WHO DOES NOT DESERVE IT.
_LET THIS THREAD DIE_
_______________________________THE RAPHRAT_______________________________
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I agree with Lady Bathory. Every story has at least two sides, this one
appears to have three. Elly doesn't have to justify her actions to
anyone, except herself, and if she is happy with the decisions that she's
made, then that's all that matters.
An attack of this manner is not only cowardly, but essentially useless.
It accomplishes nothing except to make all of us wonder what kind of
loser this "S" person is, and why isn't Josh out there fighting his own
battles? Even if he is as hurt as she says he is, even if everything she
says is true, is it really any of her business?
Shit happens, and everyone goes through emotional traumas like this one.
It's never enjoyable, but we ALL have been, or will be in a relationship
that breaks down. Posting a message like this one only makes matters far
worse for everyone involved.
Elly, although we've never met, or even corresponded through mail or on
this ng, you have my support; do what makes you happy, and be true to
yourself. In the end, that's all that really matters.
Sheryl
Don't read Usenet much, eh?
& no, i *don't* consider myself to truly know raphrat or elly, except via
email, or this josh fella at all. But i found the post to be a pathetic
attempt at personal slander & ranks down there on my flame-o-meter w/"I
know you are but what am i?" & "i'm rubber, you're glue."
Cheap shots, threats, & dragging personal life BS onto a national forum
are to my mind in NO way impressive. The entire thing was witless,
lacking in humourous zingers that defy comeback, verbose, & stylistically
poor. "Mastery of the medium?" Egads, man, get yr ass over to alt.flame &
obtain a frame of reference.
--
Lady Bathory
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Anubis is born the Phoenix..."
- Egyptian Proverb
Email: jmle...@students.wisc.edu
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elly and boo --
I'm really sorry that someone out there felt that the best form of seeking
revenge was to slander your names on usenet.
whatever did happen was none of our business and is something that needs
to be dealt with yourself in whatever way you felt justified in doing it.
Haveing been on the bad end of a bitter ex-lover I know how shitty this
is.
Whoever wrote this has a lot of gall and is obviously all the names he was
calling elly. If he was anything worth his shit he would have AT THE VERY
LEAST had the balls to post his name with it. If he was a true adult he
would have spoken with you directly and not felt that slandering you was
the "adult" route to go.
Whoever this is is no worse than the trolls on here.
I just want you to know this didn't do squat to what many of us think
about both of you.
oddlystrange
(who also thinks his little "threat" was inane)
well i award elly like *2 trillion* points for dumping this loser.
he's obviously really good at doing the mindfuck thing.
he won't be all that good at doing it here though.
sorry whoever you are your post gets no cookie from me. I never once say
elly hanign her dirty laundry up here.
thank-you for stinking up tha place.
oddlystrange
(who more than anything else despises people who think that mindfucking
people is a good way to hurt them)
Yes. I followed the soap opera. I guess writing a fucking novel was good
theapy for you. So, here is the response you didn't want.
"That was then, this is now; people change; so don't have a cow."
They have a drug for people like you. It's called prozac.
Good luck to you and Josh. I'm glad you've found someone.
P.S. people fall out of love sometimes, live with it.
[some stuff about dirty laundry (people love it when you lose...)[
> so someone cheated on your friend
> LET THEM WORK IT OUT
> YOU DONT NEED TO INTEREFERE THIS MUCH
> damn that pissed me off
> good job, troll god
i think i like erin. not only is nimue an *excellent* choice of account
names, but the idea that this whole thing really didnt need to be aired
here is quite agreeable to me.
thats all.
so i give her the official "hey! you stole my thoughts!" award of
the day from perkygoff world headquarters.
lurve
-joel
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v perkygoff world headquarters, sf, ca v
thats prolly as good thing
regardless of what is true, or how much
personal problems are PERSONAL
if you have such an incredibly problem with this person, why didnt you
PERSONALYLY email her?
were you that convinced that she would be more likely to read it on
an international newsgroup than in her own mailbox?
or are you really that interested in trying to make everyone possible
hate someone they may not even know
that is the shittiest and cruelest post ive ever seen
and wish i hadnt
and i didnt even read the last few pages, which i can only imagine
were even worse
so someone cheated on your friend
LET THEM WORK IT OUT
YOU DONT NEED TO INTEREFERE THIS MUCH
damn that pissed me off
good job, troll god
erin
>Cheap shots, threats, & dragging personal life BS onto a national forum
>are to my mind in NO way impressive. The entire thing was witless,
>lacking in humourous zingers that defy comeback, verbose, & stylistically
>poor. "Mastery of the medium?" Egads, man, get yr ass over to alt.flame &
>obtain a frame of reference.
OK, I'll admit I don't read many groups on the usenet so my 'frame of
reference' is a tad limited. I'll bow to your greater wisdom on this
one.
Fox
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/\_/\ F Fear! Chaos! Anarchy! Now that's FUN!
\O O/ O
\o/ X Top Dollar - The Crow
Please honor this,
I despise seeing my friends miserable.
It makes me ANGRY.
--TSM
PLEASE END THIS THREAD NOW.
>That has to be one of the most impelling flames I have ever read. I
>don't know any of the players mentioned but, for sheer mastery of the
>medium, I am utterly impressed.
Do U Jest,
or
Need U Get Out More?
Monkeys can Fling Shit 2.
Stay Intact,
- A
<oOo----------<>--------------<Wretched Design>--------------<>----------oOo>
Indeed, This Face A.Dominy-Cusraque
has been Burned by Tears Praefectus
My Lace is Tattered, & I Am On Fire... Cusr...@tiac.net
<oOo--------------<"Purveyors of Elegant Nastiness">---------------oOo>
>oddlystrange
>
>(who more than anything else despises people who think that mindfucking
>people is a good way to hurt them)
So, if Elly did call Josh for support after S.'s post (as he claims)
who would be doing the mindfucking?
I ask merely out of curiosity of course.
Fox
--
/\_/\ F "You never fail to restore my sense of humor and
\O O/ O my sense of superiority at the same time."
\o/ X
ugg. I'm usually silent, but I can't believe I wasted my time reading
this; what a collosal waste of disk space. It belongs on the bottom of
a bargain bin in Walmart with trashy novels.
As usual I concur w/ Cusraque & Lady Bathory on their comments.
-x
(christian)
-Leonora
If you're going to correspond about it , do it through email or
something...
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: *sigh*
: Alright, I suppose I should stand up from the back row and say
: something. Hello, yes, this is Joshua Lenius, the *one* that has been
: mentioned regarding the 'fools' thread, among other things.
Well hello Mr. Fancy Pants....
<twenty goth points and a used shower head for the first person to
correctly identify the quote>
From my position, which I deem as the most important side of the story, I
see some major problems with you and your friend's little posts, esp.
considering you never wanted to be contacted regarding this again. [1]
If you want to be left alone, it is best you do your best to leave the
other person alone. Attempts to "get back" at them on an international
forum look quite petty, despite any intentions to the contrary.
Many of us have been in nasty situations. I can discuss my ex and
problems I had with her, problems that were solved only by ignoring her.
I recommend you do the same.
: As a personal note, attempting to detach myself from situation as much
: as possible (very difficult, yes I know), I need to agree with Fox...
: deserved or not, painful or not, >I< thought it was a rather impelling
: flame...
Actually, in terms of raw flamage, it sucked. Too long and repetitive.
Add to it the fact that it was a petty stab in the back, it gets no point
and no cookie for little miss muffit.
: But again, I can recognize that hell hath no fury...
...like a woman scorned. Now how exactly has she been scorned? None of
Raph's and Elly's post were directed at her.
: One final note from myself to elly: Why did you call *me* for support
Because it's obvious that you are the only person who could intercede in
this situation. Elly or Raph talking to S. would be meaningless.
Despite S.'s statement, I quite believe she is still lurking here on the
group, trying to see what damage she caused. Rarely does someone who puts
that much into a post not stick around to see what happens. She's no
better than any other troll except that she really hurt a few of my
friends. For that, I will work hard to make her feel unwelcome. That is
something I do very rarely. Congratulations, S., you've worked hard more
this....
Vlad
1- "I asked you NOT to call me anymore." jmle...@students.wisc.edu
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>
> Now, following my own advice, who wants to talk about desserts?
>
> --
> Lady Bathory
Well, someone will prolly tell us to go to rec.food.cooking, or
rec.food.baking, but the girl with the big knives and the silly white hat
is always up for talk about food, or eating food, or playing with food...
I made a pretty cool black forest birthday cake for the guys from DHI
over the weekend. Cream cheese frosting and all.
Any favourites out there? Lady B? Christabel?
Cheers
Sheryl
(If I knew you were comin', I'd have baked a cake..."
Did you know that one definition for a fool is "A cold dessert made from
whipped cream mixed with fruit puree"?
& why am i responding to "the taboo thread", you ask? Because all you
peripherals are being hamhanded *idiots*. You want a thread to die? Don't
respond to it. Period. Even to peal out yr desperate plea of "please stop
responding to this thread." Or change 1.) the subject line, & 2.) the
topic of discussion. (You are at present reading a prime example.)
"fools" would have died Sunday w/no responses other than a smattering of
supportive rallies if a drove of well-meaners hadn't cascaded the
aforementioned sentence.
Truth is, if you *really* give shit one about a couple of ppl, you'll
start a million new threads on topics like "Describe your favorite PVC
clothing item!" or "My gothic orgasm" or some such. You'll stop
stealthily underscoring their hurt by implying yr own on-the-sly email
involvement by yeah-ditto-ing the 3-5 forerunners.
> Now, following my own advice, who wants to talk about desserts?
mmmmm....Creme Brulee....vanilla custard with a carmalized
sugar crust....white chocolate and berries all over the top...
Blast...CRAVING!!!!! Why can't that french place
deliver??
(ps Lady B you are the shit *grin*)
--
May all your evenings be irrationally enchanting,
Rosaleen Dhu
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In turmoil and torture we trust.
~~~~~OoO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~OoO~~~~~
"And he tells himself, it'll be ok....
happiness is just a life away"
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Mmmmm! My mom told me she was going to make a black forest cheesecake
for my birthday this weekend! <drool>
I've got a small can of green chilies that I'm going to throw in a
brownie mix one of these nights. Has anyone here ever done this? The
Frugal Gourmet highly recommends it, so I thought I'd give it a try.
I haven't a clue what it will taste like, but hey, would The Frugal
Gourmet lie???
-'Seph
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> I've got a small can of green chilies that I'm going to throw in a
> brownie mix one of these nights.
humm...sounds rather intimidating. Let us know how it
turns out.
What next? Cajun Cheesecake anyone? ;>
WooHoo!!
Oh.
You were just joking weren't you? :(
Awwwww, heck!
Cheers
Sheryl
Trying to decide if it's too much trouble to make biscotti today.
I think I'm going to make
someone a Cockroach jiggler. . .
--TSM
That reminds me of something fun a friend of mine
does whenever we're feeling creepy and we want to get
plastered (read: every other weekend).
She makes up a huge batch of cherry jello with the
ultra fun additives of vodka and chambord. After it's
set a bit she scoops the concoction into these pretty
little skull cups (the top shuts for easy transport
to the Den of Iniquity of choice).
Alchoholic sweet squishy BRAINS. Generally takes
only two before the world starts lookin' REAL purty.
Well, if you can believe The Frugal Gourmet ;) chocolate and chilies are
quite a popular combination in traditional, Mexican food. I did try his
suggestion of cocoa in your favorite chili recipe, and it really was pretty
good. I still can't imagine chilies in brownies, but I'll let you know.
Perhaps chocolate really does go with everything! (I mean if you can eat
it with ants, are chilies really that dramatic??? ;)
: What next? Cajun Cheesecake anyone? ;>
...a little onyeeeon...a little - oh hell, A LOT of wiiiiine...OOOOO-WEEEE!
OK, here's three easy ways to make black JELL-O.
1) buy it. JELL-O makes a black berry flavored JELL-O that isn't too bad,
or at least they did six months ago when I last bought it.
2) dye it. Black food coloring does exist although it is hard to find.
Also try using normal (red, green, blue) dyes and mixing it with various
JELL-O colors to make black, blood red, or whatever color you want.
TSM, as an art-major goth, probably has a better grasp of color theory
than I do and could give better instructions.
3) try it. Coffee jello. You have to do this from scratch and it is
actually dark brown, not black, but it tastes so good. Also, it is
the only jello with caffine in it :) First buy knox unflavored gelatin.
This is the part of JELL-O that makes it gel. It's usually in the
baking goods section or next to the JELL-O in the grocery store. Next
make a pot of coffee. Drink most, but let some sit on the warmer all
day and get good and strong. Use this as the boiling liquid to make the
jello. Add sugar too or it is a bit bitter.
: I think I'm going to make
: someone a Cockroach jiggler. . .
The coffee jello might work well for this. It has that shiny-brown
chitinous exoskeleton look you want to achieve for a good cheap scare.
: --TSM
-Breton(I can't believe I wrote a whole post on JELL-O)Bienvenue
PS: If any CMU goth (or any Pa goth) wants to send me some Apple Butter,
I'll mail you some Buffalo Wings or some other Buffalo only food item.