Starring Roles
fiona
although she seemed much older, and was so dynamic; so passionate. She
seemed to have such a breadth of life experience and philosophical outlook
that I was quite taken with her. I got to know her two separate ways, which
was quite cool - one as this older girl in school whom I occasionally spoke
to because of the drama club, and the other by writing messages on the
benches in the science lab to a mystery correspondent, who later turned out
to be Carole: I responded to an interesting phrase she'd inscribed, in my
naive frame of mind thinking the writer very poetic and astute, later
discovering the words to be lyrics from a song (by her open admission).
Excited, I had a short term of communication with this mystery student, each
leaving the other little messages on a free space in the wood - a bit like
Usenet, I guess - and eventually amalgamated the two persons into one,
managing to have a couple of brief conversations with this inspiring girl
before she left the school.
Over the years, I've adopted a number of role models, and to varying
degrees. When I was 16, I found in a girl a year older an enthusiasm and
drive, mixed with such a lack of fear of the unknown, that I could not help
but admire. I remember thinking that I would benefit greatly from a
friendship with her; one formed quite naturally, and is still strong to this
day.
Then coming to university I met a girl who had great strength of
character, and was so self-assured that I longed to be like her. Again, I
barely knew her, but she just commanded my respect immediately, possessing a
compelling air of elegance and certainty.
As I settled into my eighteenth year, I formed slightly healthier
attitudes towards these and other inspiring women, both as I grew in my own
self-confidence, forming my own goals and matters of importance and casting
aside some of the glamour these girls held simply from having troubled or
rather independent youths (thus developing mature perspectives sooner, as I
saw it), as well as seeing them in a variety of lights, and finding myself
able to regard them as peers, no longer as superiors (again, this bears
similarities with a.g. :) ).
And now, I still meet them. Women who affect me, my perception, and most
notably, my self-perception; I wonder if I will always meet them. And I hope
I do, if only to ensure the promise of perpetual evolvement and
self-discovery. I met one the other week at a party, a woman who is married
and who has a glorious public rapport with her husband - they are clearly
very much in love, yet held their own independently, never needing to rely
on each other for assurance or confidence. But what struck me more was that
this woman was interested in _me_. She asked about my life, my thoughts, my
goals, and even suggested we meet up when I move to London, that being her
usual place of residence. This woman, easily 8 years my senior, who lives a
life I thought only existed in magazines, thinks I have something to offer
her. Well I never. :)
fiona
"Be pleasant until ten o'clock in the morning and the rest of the day will
take care of itself."
--Elbert Hubbard
Jennie
> It first happened, to my full awareness, when I was 12. She was 16,
> although she seemed much older, and was so dynamic; so passionate. She
> seemed to have such a breadth of life experience and philosophical outlook
> that I was quite taken with her.
Was it just her, or was it (also) what she represented? The
comparative freedoms enjoyed by a sixteen year old can seem tremendously
glamourous and exciting to someone aged twelve.
I think that, when one is young, it's often easier to get excited
about the ideas and philosophies of teenagers than about those of older
people, because they're more accessible, more immediate, more closely
related to one's own experiences. Also, teenagers often still have that
frenetic youthful energy which older people mysteriously lack (or don't
put to such trivial uses).
> I got to know her two separate ways, which was quite cool - one as this
> older girl in school whom I occasionally spoke to because of the drama
> club, and the other by writing messages on the benches in the science
> lab to a mystery correspondent, who later turned out to be Carole:
Ooh. That's terribly romantic (and I don't mean that in the
soppy sense). Mysterious and exciting, and all that.
I've had occasional correspondences based on notes left in the
drawers of tables in my local pub. Most people are shy of saying very
much, though. I just find it fascinating to talk to people that way, when
I've less idea who they are than I might have on usenet; when I know it's
quite possible that we're actually already friends, or that we walk past
each other several times a week, but our secret communication is entirely
esoteric and isolated.
Of course, conversations via grafitti are far from unusual. In
the Thirteenth Note, they've been used for flirtation, for advertising
bands, and for ordering everyone to go and see 'Donnie Darko' at the
cinema. There used to be an ongoing lesbian problem page on the walls of
toilets underneath my old office at the university, and I understand that
two couples formed as a result of it. Eventually, of course, some fucker
repainted the place, with no concern for the community which had come to
depend upon it.
> Then coming to university I met a girl who had great strength of
> character, and was so self-assured that I longed to be like her. Again, I
> barely knew her, but she just commanded my respect immediately, possessing a
> compelling air of elegance and certainty.
Several of these reminiscences seem to hinge on your attraction
to confidence in others, and to have occurred at times when you were
probably lacking in confidence yourself. Do you think that's the major
factor in it? Were you hoping to learn how to be certain yourself? Did it
work, at all?
> As I settled into my eighteenth year, I formed slightly healthier
> attitudes towards these and other inspiring women
Why do you think of your earlier attitudes as unhealthy, and
who were they unhealthy for? Did they damage you? Were you disturbed by
your (potential) dependence on them?
> And now, I still meet them. Women who affect me, my perception, and most
> notably, my self-perception; I wonder if I will always meet them.
Do you encounter men who affect you in this way, or would you
be inclined to have different feelings about men with those qualities?
> on each other for assurance or confidence. But what struck me more was that
> this woman was interested in _me_. She asked about my life, my thoughts, my
> goals, and even suggested we meet up when I move to London, that being her
> usual place of residence. This woman, easily 8 years my senior, who lives a
> life I thought only existed in magazines, thinks I have something to offer
> her. Well I never. :)
As one gets older, well, eight years ceases to seem like
terribly much. I have quite a few friends that much younger than me, and
it's only rarely that it's an issue (other things, like different
nationalities and religions, do more to create distance between us).
I'm sure you're already aware that you underrate yourself. You
might be missing something else, too, though. Glamour doesn't exist in
things which are familiar. I suspect the woman you met would find nothing
especially glamourous about people living very similar lifestyles to her
own; she may well be more interested in the variable perspectives and
ideas to be gained from conversation with somebody different.
Jennie
--
Jennie Kermode jen...@innocent.com
http://www.triffid.demon.co.uk/jennie
fiona
>> fiona wrote:
> > It first happened, to my full awareness, when I was 12. She was16,
> > although she seemed much older, and was so dynamic; so passionate. She
> > seemed to have such a breadth of life experience and philosophical
> > outlook that I was quite taken with her.
> Was it just her, or was it (also) what she represented? The
> comparative freedoms enjoyed by a sixteen year old can seem tremendously
> glamourous and exciting to someone aged twelve.
Well, I think it was her in particular, given that I did know quite a few
people who were older than me at that time. And I didn't romanticise her
until I found out that she had been my mystery correspondent - I think the
order of events is important. She told me that her dad was in prison, that
she was going to write a novel all about her life while she was still young,
and other wee things which made her exciting in my eyes. However, she told
me all this in person, after I'd matched her to the girl whom I wrote to via
the science bench; now I think about, writing etched in the wood soon turned
into paper notes stuffed into the empty cupboard at my knees. Anyway, I
think hearing the 'exciting' things once I had merged the two people, and
just before she left school, which meant I would lose touch with her, made
her into this glamourised figure whom I never got to know as a real person,
with everyday concerns and common experiences, and so she seemed fantastic,
in the literal sense. I remember desperately asking her for her surname, so
that I could always look out for her autobiography. And although she never
spoke of suicide, or a finite future in any way, I recall a notion of her
and death that I can't quite explain, nor discern its origins - perhaps it's
another aspect of my perception of her as someone living in another world.
> > Then coming to university I met a girl who had great strength of
> > character, and was so self-assured that I longed to be like her. Again,
> > I barely knew her, but she just commanded my respect immediately,
> > possessing a compelling air of elegance and certainty.
> Several of these reminiscences seem to hinge on your attraction
> to confidence in others, and to have occurred at times when you were
> probably lacking in confidence yourself. Do you think that's the major
> factor in it? Were you hoping to learn how to be certain yourself? Did it
> work, at all?
Oh yes, I think it's entirely based around confidence. I don't recall
feeling like I was lacking it, but I didn't have the self-assurance that
these girls had. For a long time I would respond to questions with the
accepted 'respected' answers, best demonstrated by my picking only the names
of the popular CDs in my collection when asked for my music tastes, for
example. It was quite a while before I realised that the people I respected
were the ones who gave their own answers and opinions unapologetically, and
that, in order to be someone who was perceived by myself and others the way
I perceived these girls, I had to be unafraid of expressing myself honestly,
and as a side-line/practical step, I had to broaden my knowledge and
experience-base in order to be able to do so thoughtfully. It's a lingering
part of that mentality that keeps me slightly nervous about posting. :)
And of course, some of it was easy - to be able to hold and express an
informed opinion on a topical subject was fine, but what I was envious of
were the experiences. One girl's parents had moved when she was 16, so she
had developed a self-sufficiency which I admired. Obviously with the first
girl having a father in prison, she'd toughened up emotionally. Now, of
course I know these things do not necessarily tally, nor are they the only
ways to achieve the self-assurance that I respected, but to my mind, there
was a direct correlation. Also, these girls knew about things I didn't have
the first clue about - why had I not come across/ thought to research x? I'm
always interested in _why_ people know what they do, or where the initiative
to learn about them originated. Of course, some of this was a general thing
about starting university, and thinking that most of the people I met knew
an awful lot more than me, rather than just my specific role models.
> > As I settled into my eighteenth year, I formed slightly healthier
> > attitudes towards these and other inspiring women
> Why do you think of your earlier attitudes as unhealthy, and
> who were they unhealthy for? Did they damage you? Were you disturbed by
> your (potential) dependence on them?
I deem them unhealthy because they made me dissatisfied with my life. I
found myself ungrateful for my loving, stable upbringing, thinking a
tormented youth was the only way to achieve the persona I wanted to have.
Plus, they made me underestimate other people, not bothering to get to know
people who seemed, well, average.
And when I say my attitudes became healthier, I mean that across the board -
I saw the depth in afore-labelled 'average' people; I formed friendships
with women whom I found myself starting to respect, which enabled me to
identify what I liked about them, and to enter into a mutually rewarding
relationship, rather than creating a gulf between me and them; and I saw
that the women whom I'd placed leagues above me were only human,
acknowledging that they too had faults and weaknesses.
> > And now, I still meet them. Women who affect me, my perception, and >
> most notably, my self-perception; I wonder if I will always meet them.
> Do you encounter men who affect you in this way, or would you
> be inclined to have different feelings about men with those qualities?
Not in the same way - I simply fancy men who inspire me. :)
> > But what struck me more was that this woman was interested in _me_.
> > She asked about my life, my thoughts, my goals,
> I'm sure you're already aware that you underrate yourself. You
> might be missing something else, too, though. Glamour doesn't exist in
> things which are familiar. I suspect the woman you met would find nothing
> especially glamourous about people living very similar lifestyles to her
> own; she may well be more interested in the variable perspectives and
> ideas to be gained from conversation with somebody different.
Good point - I think for so long I found myself drawn to people who seemed
to represent something which I aspired to, rather than who simply interested
me for interest's sake. Maybe that's what the problem was - I didn't realise
that I could appreciate someone without needing to mimic her. These women
formed my aspirations, rather than happened to match them, and I think now
I've grown out of what was perhaps nothing more than a childish sense of
greed: I want what you have, in essence.
Thanks Jennie - this wasn't necessarily something that was concerning me,
but it's been nice to make a bit more sense out of it.
fiona
"Advice to children crossing the street: damn the lights. Watch the cars.
The lights ain't never killed nobody."
-- Moms Mabley
Jennie
> order of events is important. She told me that her dad was in prison, that
> she was going to write a novel all about her life while she was still young,
> and other wee things which made her exciting in my eyes.
Watching Spike Lee's '25th Hour' today, I was thinking about
people I know who've been in prison and about the tendency of some young
people (even those not themselves disposed to criminality) to consider it
glamorous. I've always regarded it with a sort of aching misery. An
acquaintance of mine got out last year after doing a year and a half for
perjury (I have reason to believe him innocent), and it was odd seeing how
he'd changed, how his hair had gone white... but he seemed more alive,
somehow, vibrantly happy, being back with his family. Prison destroys a
lot of people, and makes others realise just what life on the outside is
worth. But it's one of those strange dividing lines in life... strange, to
me, to be given to understand that most people never (knowingly) meet
anyone who has been in prison, just as they never (knowingly) come into
contact with serious mental illness.
Another guy I knew, Skippy, got eleven years for concern, for
dealing acid and speed. He was young and obnoxious and prison was going to
be rough for him. They picked him up almost accidentally whilst looking
for somebody else. The arresting officer offered his condolences. Life can
just happen like that, pick someone up all of a sudden and wipe out his youth.
> Oh yes, I think it's entirely based around confidence. I don't recall
> feeling like I was lacking it, but I didn't have the self-assurance that
> these girls had.
It's one thing to be able to function perfectly well day to day
in ordinary society; another, I suppose, to feel able to take on new
things oo to take extraordinary actions.
I have very rarely felt overwhelmed by the confidence of others;
those who've had that effect have all been media types, people who've
required it to do their jobs, yet for whom, on other levels, it has
obviously been a social handicap. I found one-time 'Doctor Who' Tom Baker
quite terrifying (in person), though I also liked him. I don't think it's
easy for such people to survive in most professions. People admire them,
but find them overbearing, obnoxious oo exhausting.
> For a long time I would respond to questions with the accepted
> 'respected' answers, best demonstrated by my picking only the names of
> the popular CDs in my collection when asked for my music tastes, for example.
Heh. I used to try and do that, but I was never sure what the
right answers were supposed to be. :\
> that, in order to be someone who was perceived by myself and others the way
> I perceived these girls, I had to be unafraid of expressing myself honestly,
Not everyone goes in for that sort of thing, but personally I'm
very fond of it, if only because I find all that dithering and bullshit of
which most people are so fond to be a waste of time. I'm far too impatient
to listen to people talk about their false selves and unreal interests.
> and as a side-line/practical step, I had to broaden my knowledge and
> experience-base in order to be able to do so thoughtfully. It's a lingering
> part of that mentality that keeps me slightly nervous about posting. :)
Interacting with others thoughtfully is about applying what one
knows; it does not always require one to know a great deal.
> And of course, some of it was easy - to be able to hold and express an
> informed opinion on a topical subject was fine, but what I was envious of
> were the experiences. One girl's parents had moved when she was 16, so she
> had developed a self-sufficiency which I admired. Obviously with the first
> girl having a father in prison, she'd toughened up emotionally.
I guess that's more of a barrier for a lot of young people
wishing to socialise with older ones oo with those who seem more
sophisticated and glamourous. I've heard people here protest that they
don't really have any _stuff_ to share. I guess the only answer to that
(apart from living for longer and perhaps faster, which is not always
wise) is to focus on the interesting aspects of small experiences. Rufus'
polls here about what people have on their bedside tables were always very
popular and showed that lots of people had interesting stories to tell
about their favourite soft animals, clocks and ornaments. What matters in
storytelling is not confined to an unusual subject; evocative writing and
passion can be at least as compelling.
> was a direct correlation. Also, these girls knew about things I didn't have
> the first clue about - why had I not come across/ thought to research x? I'm
> always interested in _why_ people know what they do, or where the initiative
> to learn about them originated.
An awful lot of people here are learned (in their particular
areas) simply as a result of boredom. Goths seem inclined to learn when
there is nothing else to do.
> Of course, some of this was a general thing
> about starting university, and thinking that most of the people I met knew
> an awful lot more than me, rather than just my specific role models.
It's an inspiring illusion while it lasts... <sigh>
>> Do you encounter men who affect you in this way, or would you
>> be inclined to have different feelings about men with those qualities?
> Not in the same way - I simply fancy men who inspire me. :)
I had wondered if that might get in the way. ;)
Joe Brenner
> fiona wrote:
>> order of events is important. She told me that her dad was in prison, that
>> she was going to write a novel all about her life while she was still young,
>> and other wee things which made her exciting in my eyes.
> Watching Spike Lee's '25th Hour' today, I was thinking about
>people I know who've been in prison and about the tendency of some young
>people (even those not themselves disposed to criminality) to consider it
>glamorous. I've always regarded it with a sort of aching misery.
I've been reading a bunch of beat generation history lately,
when I realized that the wikipedia entry on the subject needed
some work:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_Generation
One of the things that clearly energized these people is the
idea that the underclass was living a more authentic
existence than the mundanes. They seemed to think there was
something cool about hanging out with petty criminals and
drug addicts like Herbert Huncke. Part of Ginsberg's story:
he was riding in a stolen car full of stolen goods, the
driver had to run for it from the cops, got into an
accident, Ginsberg escapes on foot, calls home to get Huncke
to clean up the stolen goods he's got stashed in their
apartment before the cops get there, Huncke doesn't get it,
and they all get arrested... Huncke ends up doing time, but
Ginsberg pleads insanity and checks into a psychiatric
ward (which is where he meets Carl Soloman). This stuff
just doesn't sound "romantic" to me at this point, it sounds
fucking stupid.
It's not entirely clear to me where they got the nutty idea
that it was cool to be criminal... Gangster movies?
The Jazz music scene?
You could say it's because of an interest in illegal drugs,
but it seems equally likely to me that they got interested
in the drugs because they were illegal.
>An acquaintance of mine got out last year after doing a
>year and a half for perjury (I have reason to believe him
>innocent), and it was odd seeing how he'd changed, how his
>hair had gone white... but he seemed more alive, somehow,
>vibrantly happy, being back with his family. Prison
>destroys a lot of people, and makes others realise just
>what life on the outside is worth. But it's one of those
>strange dividing lines in life...
Lucien Carr (who originally introduced Kerouac, Ginsberg and
Burroughs) went straight after doing time for manslaughter,
and dropped out of the beat scene.
Gregory Corso started writing poetry while doing time for
burglary, and when he got out he met Ginsberg and turned
into one of the core members of the crew.
Albatross
> I've been reading a bunch of beat generation history lately,
> when I realized that the wikipedia entry on the subject needed
> some work:
Dr Science might help out some.
Q: Dr Science, what is or was the Beat Generation?
A: When a writer has a substance abuse problem, he or she can either
address the problem directly or develop an aesthetic to justify the
dysfunction. During the fifties and early sixties the Beats were
especially effective at the latter, and many a career has been
launched by a minor talent who found a way of celebrating dissipation.
To this day, universities and colleges all across the country hire
these aging frauds to tell the same old stories about Jack and Neal
and Bill, and the time they all drank this or took that and then went
somewhere and narrowly escaped getting arrested. Oh yes, and they were
all naked, or at least Allen was. Fascinating.
~
Joe Brenner
>Q: Dr Science, what is or was the Beat Generation?
>A: When a writer has a substance abuse problem, he or she can either
>address the problem directly or develop an aesthetic to justify the
>dysfunction.
But the beats were clearly fairly warped characters before
the substance abuse routine turned some of them into total
waste cases.
>During the fifties and early sixties the Beats were
>especially effective at the latter, and many a career has been
>launched by a minor talent who found a way of celebrating dissipation.
Gary Snyder appears to be an exception to this. He also
strikes me as being one of the more interesting characters
from that circle...
>To this day, universities and colleges all across the country hire
>these aging frauds to tell the same old stories about Jack and Neal
>and Bill,
Call them frauds if you like, but compared to many a
literary academic they're beacons of truth:
erithromycin
>Jennie wrote:
>>I've had occasional correspondences based on notes left in the
>>drawers of tables in my local pub. Most people are shy of saying very
>>much, though. I just find it fascinating to talk to people that way, when
>>I've less idea who they are than I might have on usenet; when I know it's
>>quite possible that we're actually already friends, or that we walk past
>>each other several times a week, but our secret communication is entirely
>>esoteric and isolated.
>christ, jennie. you really do live in a fairy tale. and i mean that in
>the nicest possible sense.
Most of us do, don't we? We talk to invisible strangers through bits of
glass, or at least expensive plastics. Jennie sometimes appears to be a
changeling. I'm |middle class|. Donald has the blood of Kings, and someone
else entirely too. The world is full of these tiny little things, and some
of us, I think, are just lucky enough to notice them.
What have you lot seen lately?
--
erith - .sig
Nyx
news:3ef472ba$0$29356$afc3...@news.ukonline.co.uk:
> Most of us do, don't we? We talk to invisible strangers through bits
> of glass, or at least expensive plastics. Jennie sometimes appears to
> be a changeling. I'm |middle class|. Donald has the blood of Kings,
> and someone else entirely too. The world is full of these tiny little
> things, and some of us, I think, are just lucky enough to notice them.
I'm a pirate. Arrrgghh.
Nyx
--
"So what's the point of robbery when nothing is worth taking?" Adam Ant.
www.weirdco.com www.sxxxy.org
Laura M. Parkinson
>"erithromycin" <erithr...@ananzi.co.za> wrote in
>news:3ef472ba$0$29356$afc3...@news.ukonline.co.uk:
>
>> Most of us do, don't we? We talk to invisible strangers through bits
>> of glass, or at least expensive plastics. Jennie sometimes appears to
>> be a changeling. I'm |middle class|. Donald has the blood of Kings,
>> and someone else entirely too. The world is full of these tiny little
>> things, and some of us, I think, are just lucky enough to notice them.
>
>I'm a pirate. Arrrgghh.
Shouldn't that be "Ahhrrrrrr"?
I wanna be... um... I wanna be an elf!
Oh no, sorry, that's "I *want* an elf." My bad.
Edvamp
Oh no, sorry, that's "I *want* an elf." My bad. >>
Heh, I still want to know who was watching my life so intently when they made
Shrek? :)
Ever and Always
Edvamp
If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.
www.insidecx.com
Nyx
news:20030621173206...@mb-m19.aol.com:
> Heh, I still want to know who was watching my life so intently when
> they made Shrek? :)
You have a Donkey?
Grendel Mat
<lpark...@mindspring.com> writes:
>I wanna be... um... I wanna be an elf!
>
>Oh no, sorry, that's "I *want* an elf." My bad.
>
>
hey... my 4' 11" ex-fiancee is some native american breed of pixie!
Nyx
news:20030621224536...@mb-m20.aol.com:
> hey... my 4' 11" ex-fiancee is some native american breed of pixie!
And seeing what she did to you reaffirms my belief in the evil fey.
Grendel Mat
writes:
> hey... my 4' 11" ex-fiancee is some native american breed of pixie!
>
>And seeing what she did to you reaffirms my belief in the evil fey.
>
>Nyx
>
point taken and confirmed. But she's still cute as heck...
and I, unfortunately, think I still love her. The warrant for her arrest will
be issued tomorrow.
The Emperor Penguin
> writes:
>
> > hey... my 4' 11" ex-fiancee is some native american breed of pixie!
> >
> >And seeing what she did to you reaffirms my belief in the evil fey.
>
>
> and I, unfortunately, think I still love her. The warrant for her arrest will
> be issued tomorrow.
One for the .sig files there.
One occasionally reads crappy tabloid magazines with their "My man ran
off with the milkman/a stripper/my sister/my daughter/a frozen
chicken[1] - but I took him back!" stories. Your last sentance makes
a refreshing change - if only because it says everything you need to
say without resorting to two pages of crappy tabloid magazine writing.
~~~
The Emperor Penguin
1 - The frozen chicken one is actually a real story seen in a recent
UK magazine. More disturbing still is that it (allegedly) happened in
Glasgow. But the people in the photos looked suspiciosly familiar
from daytime chat shows.
The Emperor Penguin
> writes:
>
> > hey... my 4' 11" ex-fiancee is some native american breed of pixie!
> >
> >And seeing what she did to you reaffirms my belief in the evil fey.
>
>
> and I, unfortunately, think I still love her. The warrant for her arrest will
> be issued tomorrow.
One for the .sig files there.
Grendel Mat
emperor...@virgin.net (The Emperor Penguin) writes:
>>I think I still love her. The warrant for her arrest will
>> be issued tomorrow.
>
>One for the .sig files there.
>
>One occasionally reads crappy tabloid magazines with their "My man ran
>off with the milkman/a stripper/my sister/my daughter/a frozen
>chicken[1] - but I took him back!" stories. Your last sentance makes
>a refreshing change - if only because it says everything you need to
>say without resorting to two pages of crappy tabloid magazine writing.
>
>~~~
>The Emperor Penguin
>
>1 - The frozen chicken one is actually a real story seen in a recent
>UK magazine. More disturbing still is that it (allegedly) happened in
>Glasgow. But the people in the photos looked suspiciosly familiar
>from daytime chat shows.
>
LMAO
Grendel Mat
<ns_de_cybax_yahoo.com_not.re...@news.newsguy.com>,
--nightshade-- <ns_de_cybax_yahoo...@microsoft.com> writes:
> Most of us do, don't we?
>
>perhaps, but most of us forget to notice it, or have largely forgotten
>how. therein lies the trick, no?
>
>
>--nightshade--
uhm... can you cut me a line of that pixie dust?
Grendel Mat
<ns_de_cybax_yahoo.com_not.re...@news.comcast.gi
ganews.com>, --nightshade-- <ns_de_cybax_yahoo...@microsoft.com>
writes:
>> and I, unfortunately, think I still love her. The warrant for her arrest
>> will be issued tomorrow.
>
>aw, man. take it back. that's _so_ Springer.
>
>
>--nightshade--
yeah.. and I love the ironic tone of it.
seriously, the warrant has been issued. But I do feel a twinge of guilt.
nope.. just gas.
erithromycin
>erith:
>>Most of us do, don't we? We talk to invisible strangers through bits
>>of glass, or at least expensive plastics. Jennie sometimes appears to
>>be a changeling. I'm |middle class|. Donald has the blood of Kings,
>>and someone else entirely too. The world is full of these tiny little
>>things, and some of us, I think, are just lucky enough to notice them.
>I'm a pirate. Arrrgghh.
Parrot. Not ferret. Parrot.
--
erith - .sig
erithromycin
>erithromycin wrote:
>>--nightshade--
>>>Jennie wrote:
>>>>I've had occasional correspondences based on notes left in the drawers
>>>>of tables in my local pub. Most people are shy of saying very much,
>>>>though. I just find it fascinating to talk to people that way, when
>>>>I've less idea who they are than I might have on usenet; when I know
>>>>it's quite possible that we're actually already friends, or that we
>>>>walk past each other several times a week, but our secret
>>>>communication is entirely esoteric and isolated.
>>>christ, jennie. you really do live in a fairy tale. and i mean that
>>>in the nicest possible sense.
>>Most of us do, don't we?
>perhaps, but most of us forget to notice it, or have largely forgotten
>how. therein lies the trick, no?
See the world through the eyes of a child without surgery.
--
erith - .sig
Nyx
$afc3...@news.ukonline.co.uk:
>>I'm a pirate. Arrrgghh.
>
> Parrot. Not ferret. Parrot.
I'm a rebel pirate. I have ferrets on my shoulder.
Jennie
> I'm a rebel pirate. I have ferrets on my shoulder.
Do they say "Pieces of eight"?
Nyx
news:slrnbg46rh...@penelope.triffid.demon.co.uk:
> In article <Xns93AB8793...@206.127.4.25>, Nyx wrote:
>> I'm a rebel pirate. I have ferrets on my shoulder.
>
> Do they say "Pieces of eight"?
No, but they do steal shiny things. Also bras and candy. There are little
ferret hidy-holes all over the house stuffed with bras, candy and shiny
things.
Tiny Human Ferret
> In article <Xns93AB8793...@206.127.4.25>, Nyx wrote:
>
>>I'm a rebel pirate. I have ferrets on my shoulder.
>
>
> Do they say "Pieces of eight"?
Arr, pieces o' aight, arrr.
Whisky-Dave
"Nyx" <xao...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93ABD7AC...@206.127.4.25...
> Jennie <jen...@penelope.triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> news:slrnbg46rh...@penelope.triffid.demon.co.uk:
>
> > In article <Xns93AB8793...@206.127.4.25>, Nyx wrote:
> >> I'm a rebel pirate. I have ferrets on my shoulder.
> >
> > Do they say "Pieces of eight"?
>
> No, but they do steal shiny things. Also bras and candy.
>There are little
> ferret hidy-holes all over the house stuffed with bras, candy and shiny
> things.
Sounds more like a Goths bedroom to ;-)
trizia
I so want a ferret, but i don't know what the cats would think. One
of my uncles had ferrets but they were evil, bitey, hunting beasts,
not pets.
If I ever get a ferret he/she will be called 'sausage'.
-----
Trizia
Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there with open arms
Jennie
> No, but they do steal shiny things. Also bras and candy. There are little
> ferret hidy-holes all over the house stuffed with bras, candy and shiny
> things.
My rat, Charlotte, used to steal money because it was shiny (or
had shiny bits on it, in the case of notes), smelled of lots of different
people and was clearly valued by humans. Whenever we were really short,
we'd raid her nest (we could've considered it housekeeping fees, given the
rest of what we cleaned from there). She also collected bits of shiny
paper, cough sweets (to lick just a little when she had a cold or wanted
to get high), and small pictures of goth bands which had become detached
from magazines. She had Libitina on her wall for a year.
Nyx
news:5om5gv4ip34fmiu93...@4ax.com:
> I so want a ferret, but i don't know what the cats would think. One
> of my uncles had ferrets but they were evil, bitey, hunting beasts,
> not pets.
Mine get along fine with the cats. The cats seem to regard them as the best
cat toy ever. They just sit and watch them most of the time. And the
ferrets are tough enough to fight back but not so aggressive that they hurt
the cats.
Whisky-Dave
"trizia" <ir...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:5om5gv4ip34fmiu93...@4ax.com...
> If I ever get a ferret he/she will be called 'sausage'.
There's got to be a reason for this, but should we know :)
trizia
When I was on holiday in Wales ages ago some stoats ran across the
road and the remark was made 'Oh, sausages on legs'
Grendel Mat
writes:
>No, but they do steal shiny things. Also bras and candy. There are little
>ferret hidy-holes all over the house stuffed with bras, candy and shiny
>things.
>
>Nyx
Like all good children should
Grendel.
Grendel Mat
<ns_de_cybax_yahoo.com_not.re...@news.comcast.gi
ganews.com>, --nightshade-- <ns_de_cybax_yahoo...@microsoft.com>
writes:
>no can do, sparky. the cupboards are bare.
>
>
>--nightshade--
>
damn.
Grendel.
Grendel Mat
<jen...@penelope.triffid.demon.co.uk> writes:
>> I'm a rebel pirate. I have ferrets on my shoulder.
>
> Do they say "Pieces of eight"?
>
> Jennie
>
*ROFLMTT!!*
Tiny Human Ferret
You'd last longer if you kept it in your breast.
erithromycin
>erithromycin wrote:
>>Nyx:
>>>erith:
>>>>Most of us do, don't we? We talk to invisible strangers through bits
>>>>of glass, or at least expensive plastics.
>mirror, mirror, on the 'net. who's the fairest that you've met?
Me.
>>>>Jennie sometimes appears to be a changeling.
>sprouted a tail, has she?
No, that's Khaining, an acquaintance of mine and a friend of jennie's.
>>>>I'm |middle class|.
>actually, it appears as though you're stuck in the middle of a pipeline.
>that's more _working_class_. or is that an ncurses thing? [1]
It was an |absolute|.
>>>>Donald has the blood of Kings, and someone else entirely too.
>has he a collection? does he bleed present-day statesmen for fun in his
>spare time?
He's something like 743 in line for the throne, and has had a bone marrow
transplant. That counts for both.
>>>>The world is full of these tiny little things,
>wot, ferrets?
Bacterium!
>>>>and some of us, I think, are just lucky enough to notice them.
>>>I'm a pirate. Arrrgghh.
>>Parrot. Not ferret. Parrot.
>a pyrite for your pirate?
There's Glod in them thar whales!
--
erith - geese!
erithromycin
>erith:
>>--ns--
>>>perhaps, but most of us forget to notice it, or have largely forgotten
>>>how. therein lies the trick, no?
>>See the world through the eyes of a child without surgery.
>and keep the heart of a youngster in a jar on one's desk, no?
Yes, that's the one. Oh, and remembering that being hung like an elephant
requires steel cables and a crane.
--
erith - justice!
Jennie
> --nightshade--
>>erithromycin wrote:
I was sometimes called 'tacharra' as a kid. :\
I don't know if it was because of my pointy ears, or my large
eyes, or the fact that some people thought I ought to have been left in
the warming-pan.
>>sprouted a tail, has she?
There are lumps of calcium in my hips and arse as much as three
inches across. I think perhaps they are forming into an ankylosaur-style
club tail which will one day emerge and enable me to beat my enemies to
death. In the meantime, though they're damned uncomfortable, they function
quite effectively as subdermal armour.
> No, that's Khaining, an acquaintance of mine and a friend of jennie's.
She used to post here as lil_fuzzy_ki10. Her tail is six bones
longer than is normal for humans, and it's curled around under the skin of
her back, properly muscled, wriggling independently from time to time.
Perhaps one day she'll get it released. It would need skin grafts (skin
technology is improving vastly at the moment), but it ought to be able to
function effectively as a fifth limb.
>>>>>Donald has the blood of Kings, and someone else entirely too.
>>has he a collection? does he bleed present-day statesmen for fun in his
>>spare time?
> He's something like 743 in line for the throne, and has had a bone marrow
> transplant. That counts for both.
The number of one's lineage always depends on which houses are
in favour at any given time. Donald is directly in line from King Malcolm,
but, of course, the throne has effectively been usurped several times
since then.
I have no idea about the lineage of his donor.
erithromycin
>erithromycin wrote:
>>--nightshade--
>>>erithromycin wrote:
>>>>>>Jennie sometimes appears to be a changeling.
> I was sometimes called 'tacharra' as a kid. :\
> I don't know if it was because of my pointy ears, or my large
>eyes, or the fact that some people thought I ought to have been left in
>the warming-pan.
Would you fit in a warming-pan?
>>>sprouted a tail, has she?
> There are lumps of calcium in my hips and arse as much as three
>inches across. I think perhaps they are forming into an ankylosaur-style
>club tail which will one day emerge and enable me to beat my enemies to
>death. In the meantime, though they're damned uncomfortable, they function
>quite effectively as subdermal armour.
Unless you hit them just right, so they distribute the force across an area
rather than disperse it.
>>>>>>Donald has the blood of Kings, and someone else entirely too.
>>>has he a collection? does he bleed present-day statesmen for fun in his
>>>spare time?
>>He's something like 743 in line for the throne, and has had a bone marrow
>>transplant. That counts for both.
>The number of one's lineage always depends on which houses are
>in favour at any given time. Donald is directly in line from King Malcolm,
>but, of course, the throne has effectively been usurped several times
>since then.
Well, yes, but you just need to kill all the other houses first.
>I have no idea about the lineage of his donor.
Could you find out?
--
erith - .sig
Jennie
> Jennie:
>> I was sometimes called 'tacharra' as a kid. :\
>> I don't know if it was because of my pointy ears, or my large
>>eyes, or the fact that some people thought I ought to have been left in
>>the warming-pan.
> Would you fit in a warming-pan?
When I was a baby, aye. The idea is that if a mother leaves a
changeling baby in the warming pan, the changeling's mother will rush in
to save it at the last minute, at which point she will be obliged to
return the human mother's own baby.
>>I have no idea about the lineage of his donor.
> Could you find out?
No. I don't know if we're ever going to know the guy's name.
Doctors don't like donors getting attached to people who may still die
from their illnesses. Losing someobody who is alive because of one, and
who carries one's own dna, is not an easy thing to cope with. We might
learn more about Donald's donor in four years, when (with luck) Donald
will have been cancer free for longer than the time it took for his cancer
to resurface last time.
Tiny Human Ferret
> Jennie wrote:
>
>>erithromycin wrote:
>>
>>>--nightshade--
>>>
>>>>erithromycin wrote:
>>>
>
>> I was sometimes called 'tacharra' as a kid. :\
>> I don't know if it was because of my pointy ears, or my large
>>eyes, or the fact that some people thought I ought to have been left in
>>the warming-pan.
>
>
Elves and/or Fae in England and the "english celtic nations", also in the
Norse tales, the German "gnomes" and "kobolds" are quite similar.
In a lot of the Old World there are legends -- quite pervasively so -- of
"another people" who are to most appearances generally human, though as best
I can glean they don't consider themselves such. Generally they were thought
to be indifferent to and aloof from humans, at best, in most cases, and
rather hostile to varying degrees otherwise.
Most of the cultures that have such legends/myths believe in the
"changeling". This is a sort of baby-swap, where the child of one of "the
others" is left to be raised by the human mother, whose child is stolen to
be raised by one of "the others".[1]
Generally this sort of thing turns out rather badly; the changeling left on
the human mother generally becomes rather difficult, if not an actual
calamity visited on the parent. IIRC the human infant doesn't fare all that
well, though usually if a changeling is left, little actual harm befalls the
human infant. Again IIRC the human infant may be kept under a spell that
preserves it on ice, as it were; it is said that time passes differently in
Alfheim or "under the gnome's mountain".
In countries where such beliefs were ingrained, commonly there were tests
devised to determine whether some child -- who wasn't all that was expected
-- could be tested to see if it was a changeling. Heating up an infant (for
instance in a warming-pan, a "bedwarmer" if you remember those) was thought
to be a sure way to bring the mother of the changeling to the rescue of her
child. Various stories suggest that she'd also return the human child as she
rescued her own. Others seem less kindly disposed, being so angry at the
exposure (and through such means) that they re-exchange the children and
leave a nasty curse on the human child or the human family, or at the very
least, return the human baby into the fire at the moment that their own
changeling child begins to burn in the warming-pan test.
A bit like witch-dunking is thought to have been an excuse to seize lands or
properties from old women, some have forwarded the theory that the
warming-pan test might be though of as an explanation for child-abuse
involving burnings of toddlers (especially to teach them to not play with fire).
Ref:
1. See also Burroughs, Edgar R., _Tarzan of the Apes_
Tiny Human Ferret
> Jennie wrote:
<snips, sorry to double-respond>
>> She used to post here as lil_fuzzy_ki10. Her tail is six bones
>>longer than is normal for humans, and it's curled around under the skin
>>of her back, properly muscled, wriggling independently from time to
>>time.
>
>
> that sounds positively charming, provided it's not a discomfort. how do
> we get that entered into the main tributary feeding the human gene pool?
Perhaps you should consult some of the old (probably banned for non-PC)
books of legends, especially those amounting to ethnic slanders. There was
one such ethnic slander against Jews which was circulated in the Germanies
and in Russiya, which alleged that a Jew could always be discovered by a
scar on the buttocks where their vestigial tails had been removed, or if
they were too poor to have them removed, by the vestigial tail itself. Of
course this is CRAP.
Still, having a tail might not be the best idea, a lot of chairs would have
to be re-designed and doubtless a lot of re-engineering might be necessary
if you wanted to preserve upright posture. So far as I know, the only
genuinely bipedal primates with tails are some varieties of Lemur, and they
don't walk nor run, they sort of skip or hop and IIRC their tails aren't
very prehensile.
Tiny Human Ferret
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
>>--nightshade-- wrote:
>>
>>>erithromycin wrote:
>>
>
>>>>See the world through the eyes of a child without surgery.
>>>
>
>>>and keep the heart of a youngster in a jar on one's desk, no?
>>
>
>>You'd last longer if you kept it in your breast.
>
>
Um as in "chest" but that word also is ambiguous, as in "wood chest" rather
than "jar".
erithromycin
>erithromycin wrote:
>>Yes, that's the one. Oh, and remembering that being hung like an elephant
>>requires steel cables and a crane.
>sounds painful. for all involved.
It's a true story [or at least one that was presented to me as true]. I
think it was Barnum's circus that had an elephant rampage through a town and
kill someone, so they hung it by the neck until it was dead. Almost on par
with the village that killed a monkey because they thought it a frenchman.
--
erith - .sig
Zoe Selengut
Part of a long and proud tradition.
http://www.psyeta.org/sa/sa2.1/beirne.html
Excerpt: "[...]... the public execution in 1386 of an infanticidal sow
in the French city of Falaise. Having been duly tried in a court of
law, presided over by a judge with counsel attending, the sow was
dressed in human clothes, mutilated in the head and hind legs, and
executed in the public square by an official hangman ("maître des
hautes oeuvres") on whom had been bestowed a pair of new gloves
befitting the solemnity of the occasion (p. 140). Sometimes the
condemned were even offered pardons or clemency. Evans (pp. 153-154;
and see Westermarck, 1906, 1, p. 257) mentions how youth could be
grounds for acquittal, as was so in the prosecution of a sow and her
six piglets for having murdered and partly devoured a child. Here, the
sow was sentenced to death, but the piglets were acquitted on account
of their youth and their mother's bad example."
Zoe
Jennie
news.newsguy.com>, --nightshade-- wrote:
> Jennie wrote:
>> She used to post here as lil_fuzzy_ki10. Her tail is six bones
>> longer than is normal for humans, and it's curled around under the skin
>> of her back, properly muscled, wriggling independently from time to time.
> that sounds positively charming, provided it's not a discomfort. how do
> we get that entered into the main tributary feeding the human gene pool?
Her partner is another person made of recessive genes, so it
might be that she manages to pass it on to their children.
>> Perhaps one day she'll get it released. It would need skin grafts (skin
>> technology is improving vastly at the moment), but it ought to be able
>> to function effectively as a fifth limb.
> involuntary, or consciously controlled?
She can control it consciously, but sometimes it moves by
itself, eg: when she's surprised.
> i am curious, and this isn't only in relation to you, because it's crossed
> my mind with others in the past: doesn't it bother you to be constantly
> speaking of People without them present? i always feel like we're typing
> in hushed tones.
I only ever say things about (named) other people if those people
have themselves talked about those things in public (and not just to close
friends). Donald occasionally reads over my shoulder anyway, or gets a.g.
gossip passed on to him, which is why every now and then I add his stated
opinion to a discussion, since he'd never get round to posting it himself.
entitything
> --nightshade-- wrote:
> > Jennie wrote:
>
>
> >> She used to post here as lil_fuzzy_ki10. Her tail is six bones
> >>longer than is normal for humans, and it's curled around under the skin
> >>of her back, properly muscled, wriggling independently from time to
> >>time.
> >
I am slightly jealous.
>
>
> Still, having a tail might not be the best idea, a lot of chairs would have
> to be re-designed and doubtless a lot of re-engineering might be necessary
> if you wanted to preserve upright posture. So far as I know, the only
> genuinely bipedal primates with tails are some varieties of Lemur, and they
> don't walk nor run, they sort of skip or hop and IIRC their tails aren't
> very prehensile.
The restriction of bipedality in other primates lies in the hips, not
the tail itself. As long as her hips are constructed like everyone
else's, the only thing the tail might affect would be balance, and
even if it's released she could just keep it curled close when
walking. In humans the bipedality is more likely to interfere with the
tail than the other way around, I think. I'm sure there is a problem
with chairs though. Unexplained and chronic tailbone pain is
remarkably common among people without extra tail, and they probably
have a similar difficulty with "human chairs". Inflatable "donuts" are
made for people to sit down without putting uncomfortable pressure on
the tailbone. The 'proper' way to sit, anyway, is forward and resting
on the (?)ischial tuberosities(?) without pressure on the tailbone,
but for most people that takes training.
Wow, I've just talked a lot about nothing. What a surprise. :)
Kereth, who is addicted to silly academic blather
Tiny Human Ferret
I was one of those folks suffering "unexplained and chronic tailbone pain".
Believe it or not, it's quite possible to get the remaining ligaments (which
attach to the coccyx etc) a bit out of place. It's also possible to get them
back into place.
Though you might think this is an odd explanation of how I got "cured" --
call it relief if you'd like -- but to leave out all of the odd bits, I
stood up a bit too quickly in a shower-bath, and caught the tip of my coccyx
on the bottom of the extending bath-spout as I stood. Amazingly, a lot of
pain went away, that is, the endless dull ache faded quite a bit even though
I now had a nicely lacerated butt. Eventually I got the idea of cracking my
coccyx in the same way one cracks their knuckles. End of pain, end of story.
>
> Wow, I've just talked a lot about nothing. What a surprise. :)
>
> Kereth, who is addicted to silly academic blather
I believe I may have paid you back in full.
--
Be kind to your neighbors, even | "Global domination, of course!"
though they be transgenic chimerae. | -- The Brain
"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive
positions and have a tremendous impact on history." -- Dan Quayle
Whisky-Dave
> Eventually I got the idea of cracking my
> coccyx in the same way one cracks their knuckles. End of pain, end of
story.
Sounds like a good party trick, what do you do for an encore ?
entitything
> entitything wrote:
> > Tiny Human Ferret <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message news:<3F0C159C...@earthops.net>...
> I was one of those folks suffering "unexplained and chronic tailbone pain".
> Believe it or not, it's quite possible to get the remaining ligaments (which
> attach to the coccyx etc) a bit out of place. It's also possible to get them
> back into place.
>
> Though you might think this is an odd explanation of how I got "cured" --
> call it relief if you'd like -- but to leave out all of the odd bits, I
> stood up a bit too quickly in a shower-bath, and caught the tip of my coccyx
> on the bottom of the extending bath-spout as I stood. Amazingly, a lot of
> pain went away, that is, the endless dull ache faded quite a bit even though
> I now had a nicely lacerated butt. Eventually I got the idea of cracking my
> coccyx in the same way one cracks their knuckles. End of pain, end of story.
>
More nothing:
I've worked for chiropractors, off and on, for several years, besides
studying acupuncture, and you might be relieved to know that what
you've so carefully not described is a pretty standard chiropractic
treatment for the problem. Acupuncturists trained in China know it,
but the risk of lawsuits here is just a little too great (besides the
fact that chiros generally froth at the mouth when they hear about
acupuncturists performing "their" techniques), so they generally
resort to measures for relief of pain rather than actually mobilizing
the coccyx to relieve the problem. Chiros themselves have trouble
getting people to believe that this particular therapy works, and many
states have laws against chiros doing anything "invasive", which rule
out this technique as well as many through-the-mouth adjustments for
treatment of TMJ.
> I believe I may have paid you back in full.
Tag, you're it.
Kereth
Tiny Human Ferret
Considering what it took to get it to "crack" back into place, that goodness
it's stayed put and hasn't had to be re-done. Really, it was a bit more like
what one does after getting one's fingers "jammed" playing basketball. A bit
closer to a controlled dislocation and then re-location. Damn if I could
really describe it, IIRC it pretty much involved bending myself in half
backwards, and the other part of it probably looked a lot like a cat licking
its arse. Felt much better afterwards, tho'.
Tiny Human Ferret
Not to mention that most States also have laws against chiropractors using
sedatives, and most non-sedated patients simply can't muster the state of
relaxation required for a mobilization of the coccyx once they see someone
reaching for their nether regions with a big pair of padded pliers[1]. ;-o
>
>
>>I believe I may have paid you back in full.
>
>
> Tag, you're it.
Actually I'd like to pick yer braaaains for more info about the TMJ
adjustment. Sometimes I suspect that about the only way I'm going to get my
TMJ-related problems fixed will involve someone pretty much ripping my jaw
off of my face and banging my face back into shape with the detached part
and then reinserting the jaw.
--klaatu, generally suspicious of the efficacy of medical treatments that
don't involve either carefully-moderated violence or patients being made to
look uncomfortable and silly
Refs:
1. And let's _not_ have anyone mutter "where's my cookie!?" "WHAM!"
entitything
> entitything wrote:
> > Tiny Human Ferret <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message news:<3F11FA40...@earthops.net>...
> >
> >>entitything wrote:
> >>
> >>>Tiny Human Ferret <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message news:<3F0C159C...@earthops.net>...
> >
> > More nothing:
> >
> > I've worked for chiropractors, off and on, for several years, besides
> > studying acupuncture, and you might be relieved to know that what
> > you've so carefully not described is a pretty standard chiropractic
> > treatment for the problem. Acupuncturists trained in China know it,
> > but the risk of lawsuits here is just a little too great (besides the
> > fact that chiros generally froth at the mouth when they hear about
> > acupuncturists performing "their" techniques), so they generally
> > resort to measures for relief of pain rather than actually mobilizing
> > the coccyx to relieve the problem. Chiros themselves have trouble
> > getting people to believe that this particular therapy works, and many
> > states have laws against chiros doing anything "invasive", which rule
> > out this technique as well as many through-the-mouth adjustments for
> > treatment of TMJ.
>
> Not to mention that most States also have laws against chiropractors using
> sedatives, and most non-sedated patients simply can't muster the state of
> relaxation required for a mobilization of the coccyx once they see someone
> reaching for their nether regions with a big pair of padded pliers[1]. ;-o
Oh, a gloved hand would do it. Most people don't really want to stand
for that either, unless the pain has gotten crippling, but it's more
the idea of the procedure than any actual discomfort.
I assisted at a manipulation under anaesthesia once, and as I
understand it as long as you have a certified anaesthesiologist
administering, it's legal in Florida. But MUA is a little over the top
for a simple coccygeal subluxation.
>
>
> Actually I'd like to pick yer braaaains for more info about the TMJ
> adjustment. Sometimes I suspect that about the only way I'm going to get my
> TMJ-related problems fixed will involve someone pretty much ripping my jaw
> off of my face and banging my face back into shape with the detached part
> and then reinserting the jaw.
The adjustment is typically somewhat painful. The technique relaxes
the muscles which pull the jaw out of alignment, pushes the jaw back
into place, and over time I think maybe it helps tone the muscles that
keep the jaw in place, but I'm not sure about that. One hand
administers pressure through the mouth against the back of the jaw,
while the other applies simultaneous pressure against the outside.
This must be held for a period of time; thirty seconds should do it.
It also has to be done on each side. I'm afraid I don't know how to
explain the treatment precisely enough to let you perform it yourself,
but you probably won't hurt yourself badly with a little
experimentation. Just don't overdo it.
>
> --klaatu, generally suspicious of the efficacy of medical treatments that
> don't involve either carefully-moderated violence or patients being made to
> look uncomfortable and silly
It's why acupuncture works so well. Patients make themselves better so
they don't ever have to lie still for twenty minutes with needles all
over them again. :)
Kereth,
generally suspicious of medical treatments that include a detailed
analysis of every detail of a person's blood workup but don't consider
what they ate for breakfast that morning.
Whisky-Dave
> Whisky-Dave wrote:
> > "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F11FA40...@earthops.net...
> >
> > Sounds like a good party trick, what do you do for an encore ?
>
> Considering what it took to get it to "crack" back into place, that
goodness
> it's stayed put and hasn't had to be re-done. Really, it was a bit more
like
> what one does after getting one's fingers "jammed" playing basketball.
Well now you've lost me totaly, haven't play basket ball in ......
> A bit
> closer to a controlled dislocation and then re-location.
A friend can do that with her back she just twists her shoulders a bit and
all manor
of strange cracking noises can be heard, quite scary.
Damn if I could
> and the other part of it probably looked a lot like a cat licking
> its arse. Felt much better afterwards, tho'.
So it is a good party trick .. Look I can do what my cat does. :)
~Fianna
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> Refs:
> 1. And let's _not_ have anyone mutter "where's my cookie!?" "WHAM!"
I can't believe that someone else knows that joke.
Kat
Tiny Human Ferret
That joke is so old that it's been forgotten and resurrected at least three
times in my recollection. Hell, it's probably as old as "the pigeon drop".
Peter H. Coffin
I can't believe that everyone else doesn't know that joke.
--
"Meet it is I set it down
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain"
~Fianna
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> ~Fianna wrote:
> > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >>Refs:
> >>1. And let's _not_ have anyone mutter "where's my cookie!?" "WHAM!"
> >
> >
> > I can't believe that someone else knows that joke.
>
> That joke is so old that it's been forgotten and resurrected at least
three
> times in my recollection. Hell, it's probably as old as "the pigeon drop".
Yes, but it's such an awful joke that I only assumed that most people didn't
have friends so cruel as to inflict it upon them.
Kat
Jennie
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:46:07 -0700, ~Fianna wrote:
>> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>>> 1. And let's _not_ have anyone mutter "where's my cookie!?" "WHAM!"
>> I can't believe that someone else knows that joke.
> I can't believe that everyone else doesn't know that joke.
~Fianna
> Peter H. Coffin wrote:
> > ~Fianna wrote:
> >> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >>> 1. And let's _not_ have anyone mutter "where's my cookie!?" "WHAM!"
>
> >> I can't believe that someone else knows that joke.
>
> > I can't believe that everyone else doesn't know that joke.
>
> I don't know that joke. Is it a US joke?
It must be. And count your blessings, it's horrid.
Kat
Peter H. Coffin
> In article <slrnbhdf73....@othin.ninehells.com>, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:46:07 -0700, ~Fianna wrote:
>>> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>>>> 1. And let's _not_ have anyone mutter "where's my cookie!?" "WHAM!"
>
>>> I can't believe that someone else knows that joke.
>
>> I can't believe that everyone else doesn't know that joke.
>
> I don't know that joke. Is it a US joke?
Possibly, though it's certainly adaptable for any culture.
Anyone wanna take a crack at it, or should I tell it?
--
62. I will design fortress hallways with no alcoves or protruding structural
supports which intruders could use for cover in a firefight.
--Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil Overlord
Tiny Human Ferret
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:17:26 +0100, Jennie wrote:
>
>>In article <slrnbhdf73....@othin.ninehells.com>, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:46:07 -0700, ~Fianna wrote:
>>>
>>>>Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>I can't believe that someone else knows that joke.
>>>
>>
>>
>>>I can't believe that everyone else doesn't know that joke.
>>
>>
>> I don't know that joke. Is it a US joke?
>
>
> Possibly, though it's certainly adaptable for any culture.
>
> Anyone wanna take a crack at it, or should I tell it?
>
Grr, arrgh.
A guy goes to the doctor, says, "doc, I don't feel so good. I'm hungry all
of the time, and I eat and eat and eat, and I'm still losing weight".
So the doctor pokes and prods and says, "okay, here's the problem, you've
got a tapeworm, pretty big one too, I'd say".
The guy says, "okay, so what do I do?"
The doctor says, "go home, don't eat anything, come back tomorrow".
The next day, the guy shows up, says he feels like he's starving. "That's
okay," says the doctor, "the tapeworm is starving too. Pull down your
pants." There is a tray in the office, with a small bowl of oatmeal, an
apple, and a cookie.
The doctor packs the oatmeal into the guy's asshole, waits a minute, and
shoves in the apple. Then he waits another minute and shoves in the cookie.
Then he tells the guy to come back tomorrow.
The next day, the guy comes back, the doctor tells him, "pull down your pants".
The doctor packs the oatmeal into the guy's asshole, waits a minute, and
shoves in the apple. Then he waits another minute and shoves in the cookie.
Then he tells the guy to come back tomorrow.
This goes on for a week. The guy comes in on the last day and says, "doc you
really gotta do something, I'm totally starving to death, I don't think I
can take it anymore".
"Relax," says the doctor, and the guy notices that on the tray in the
doctor's office is a bowl of oatmeal, an apple, and a big rubber mallet.
"Pull down your pants," says the doctor.
The doctor packs the oatmeal into the guy's ass, and waits a minute. Then he
packs the apple into the guy's ass, picks up the hammer and waits.
A minute goes by. And another minute goes by. And another minute goes by,
and the tapeworm sticks its head out and says "where's my cookie?" WHAM!
Jennie
> A minute goes by. And another minute goes by. And another minute goes by,
> and the tapeworm sticks its head out and says "where's my cookie?" WHAM!
Ah, I see. Thank you for enlightening me. :)
I guess, after that, the remainder of the tapeworm retreats back
into the body cavity and goes into a frantic egg laying phase, right?
Tiny Human Ferret
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
>>--nightshade-- wrote:
>>
>>>Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>>>
>>>>--nightshade-- wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>erithromycin wrote:
>>>>
>
>>>>>>See the world through the eyes of a child without surgery.
>>>>>
>
>>>>>and keep the heart of a youngster in a jar on one's desk, no?
>>>>
>
>>>>You'd last longer if you kept it in your breast.
>>>
>
>>>for the time being, i'm reasonably satisfied with the parts i have.
>>
>
>>Um as in "chest"
>
>
> order, and i'd rather not go fooling with them while that's the case.
> neither for the eyes of a child, nor a youthful heart.
Tell me about it!
major parts replacement is NOT elective surgery. emergency only.
Tiny Human Ferret
> Zoe Selengut wrote:
>
>
>>Excerpt: "[...]... the public execution in 1386 of an infanticidal sow
>>in the French city of Falaise. Having been duly tried in a court of law,
>>presided over by a judge with counsel attending, the sow was dressed in
>>human clothes, mutilated in the head and hind legs, and executed in the
>>public square by an official hangman ("maître des hautes oeuvres") on
>>whom had been bestowed a pair of new gloves befitting the solemnity of
>>the occasion (p. 140). Sometimes the condemned were even offered pardons
>>or clemency. Evans (pp. 153-154; and see Westermarck, 1906, 1, p. 257)
>>mentions how youth could be grounds for acquittal, as was so in the
>>prosecution of a sow and her six piglets for having murdered and partly
>>devoured a child. Here, the sow was sentenced to death, but the piglets
>>were acquitted on account of their youth and their mother's bad
>>example."
>
>
> silliness in prosecuting animals as humans, really, or in recognizing the
> inabilities of some to make rational, informed moral desicisions, than the
> obvious omitted concept of the inability of a full-grown pig to
> rationalize on the same level as a human. in this case, if the sow had
> done the actual muderous act, then it is a treacherous creature with
> antisocial tendencies, that could act so in the future, an in the interest
> of the safety of society, putting it down might be the responsible thing
> to do (esp. e.g. had rabies been involved.) the piglets, OTOH, almost
> certainly knew nothing of what they had been involved in, and ought only
> to be watched for fear they had developed a taste for human blood.
Considering the general high intelligence of Pigs, you may have more of a
point than you'd thought.
But about Pigs:
I was maybe 11 or 12 or so, went to the County Ag Fair. Bored with the
carnival rides, I checked out the stalls. My dad being a Kansas boy, he
probably spent most of his time checking out the livestock and farm
equipment etc. So it wasn't much of a surpise that I ran into him while I
was checking out the pigs.
I was about halfway up on one of the fences making up the stalls, marvelling
at what just about had to be the Biggest Pig On Earth. A huge Poland sow
(IIRC), it had to weigh about 800 pounds (I guessed) and it was suckling its
piglets and not taking its eye off me for a second.
So my dad comes up behind me and says "don't fall in there", which of course
I almost did. "Why not?" I asked Dad, "what's it going to do, eat me?"
"Might," he allowed. "Pretty likely it'll try." I didn't exactly believe him
but then again, even if the damned thing sat on me I could get hurt pretty
bad. So I didn't fall in.
Later I ran across this or that Pig here and there, and always got the same
general advice to steer clear of them unless I knew what I was doing. And
every now and then I'd get a little anecdote about them. A Veteran told me
about witnessing the aftermath of a napalming in Vietnam, in which he'd been
treated to the interesting sight of pigs eating roast people. I heard
other things as well, but the general lesson was to the effect that if there
weren't something (like other people, generally) preventing it, pigs would
be perfectly happy to chow down on anyone. And apparently they have been
known to be fairly ingenious about doing it, if not necessarily getting away
with doing it. The impression that I got was that while some animals might
kill and eat you, they'd just be animals doing what came naturally. However,
I also was given the impression that pigs could definitely have applied to
them the term "murderous".
Tiny Human Ferret
<snips>
> well, i wasn't asking for a fifth arm or anything. and i don't think that
> a short tail would interfere with the ability to walk upright.
I think that it would result in a great many tests of patience, especially
while grocery-shopping.
"OWW!"
"Now junior, don't yank on the nice person's tail..."
"Grr mutter." /--ns-- lashes offended tail furiously...
Matthew King
> Excerpt: "[...]... the public execution in 1386 of an infanticidal sow
> in the French city of Falaise. Having been duly tried in a court of
> law, presided over by a judge with counsel attending
I saw a movie maybe six or seven years ago about the trial of a pig. I
think it was called The Advocate, and I think it was in French.
Matthew-King---Toronto---Canada---Have-you-come-here-to-play-Jesus-
----------------------------------to-the-lepers-in-your-head?--U2--
Matthew King
> I guess, after that, the remainder of the tapeworm retreats back
> into the body cavity and goes into a frantic egg laying phase, right?
Nah. Then the horse looks at the doctor and says, "Holy shit, a talking
tapeworm!"
Matthew
Matthew-King---Toronto---Canada---Have-you-come-here-to-play-Jesus-
----------------------------------to-the-lepers-in-your-head?--U2--
entitything
> In article <3F194F9C...@earthops.net>, Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > A minute goes by. And another minute goes by. And another minute goes by,
> > and the tapeworm sticks its head out and says "where's my cookie?" WHAM!
>
> Ah, I see. Thank you for enlightening me. :)
> I guess, after that, the remainder of the tapeworm retreats back
> into the body cavity and goes into a frantic egg laying phase, right?
Clearly. And then it teaches all its offspring the joke, only now it
has more of the character of a grim "One day we will destroy our
oppressors and retake the holy land" kind of legend, the little
tapeworms never fall for that sort of thing again, and eventually take
over the human host and, being some sort of bizarro mutant strain of
tapeworm that speaks english, gets elected president and conquers the
earth. The colony puts to death all medical personnel, plunging the
world into a new dark age, and ultimately proving to the Original
Physician, who was a pervy quack anyway, that pervy quacks always get
what's coming to them in the end.
Anyone who would like to attempt to rewrite the above, with more
superfluous commas, may.
Kereth
Jennie
> I saw a movie maybe six or seven years ago about the trial of a pig. I
> think it was called The Advocate, and I think it was in French.
There is one such entitled 'The Hour of the Pig', but it may
have different titles in different countries.
Jennie
> other things as well, but the general lesson was to the effect that if there
> weren't something (like other people, generally) preventing it, pigs would
> be perfectly happy to chow down on anyone.
Pig and human meat is very similar; that's why their meat is so
nutritious for us, and so tasty. For the same reason, our meat is
especially tasty and nutritious for them. Because they have the better
sense of smell, we might as well be sizzling bacon walking around and
asking for it.
Besides this, pigs aren't stupid. Some of them figure out the
probable reason for their captivity, and try to escape oo try to get revenge.
Tiny Human Ferret
> In article <3F1AB660...@earthops.net>, Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
>>other things as well, but the general lesson was to the effect that if there
>>weren't something (like other people, generally) preventing it, pigs would
>>be perfectly happy to chow down on anyone.
>
>
> Pig and human meat is very similar; that's why their meat is so
> nutritious for us, and so tasty. For the same reason, our meat is
> especially tasty and nutritious for them. Because they have the better
> sense of smell, we might as well be sizzling bacon walking around and
> asking for it.
> Besides this, pigs aren't stupid. Some of them figure out the
> probable reason for their captivity, and try to escape oo try to get revenge.
All the more reason, I suppose, that a murderous pig ought to be tried for
Murder rather than simply being put down. Of course, it's not as if Swine
are going to comprehend the intricacies of the legal system, but perhaps
they're intelligent enough to understand that people are talking about what
the Pig had done. And perhaps if there were other Pigs present who had some
idea of what had happened, once they saw that it wasn't all just butchery in
the end no matter what you'd done, they might tend to keep away from the
Murdering.
then again, considering that in the end it _is_ just a trip to the knackers,
it might be just a bit more of a farce to pretend to serving justice.
All in all, seriously, if Pigs are all that smart, if we're having Roast
Piglet simply because that's the piglet that happened to be there when we
felt the need for piglet, why should we hold it against a Pig who happened
to feel the need for raw infant simply because there was an infant right
there when the Pig felt the need.
Of course the pig has to die, but what the hell, it was going to die anyway
and probably knew it. And of course the pig is probably thinking "of course
they have to die" but we're just a bit more organized about killing pigs
than pigs are organized about killing us.
I suppose we could just all swear off eating pigs, but somehow I doubt that
the pigs would do the same.
--klaatu, been a long long time since I ate pork, but I'm still not turning
my back on any damn pigs
Tiny Human Ferret
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
>
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>I was about halfway up on one of the fences making up the stalls,
>>marvelling at what just about had to be the Biggest Pig On Earth.
>>A huge Poland sow (IIRC), it had to weigh about 800 pounds (I
>>guessed) and it was suckling its piglets and not taking its eye
>>off me for a second.
>
>
Probably not.
>>So my dad comes up behind me and says "don't fall in there", which
>>of course I almost did. "Why not?" I asked Dad, "what's it going
>>to do, eat me?"
>
>
>>"Might," he allowed. "Pretty likely it'll try." I didn't exactly
>>believe him but then again, even if the damned thing sat on me I
>>could get hurt pretty bad. So I didn't fall in.
>
>
> aren't pigs omnivorous? at any rate, swine are more or less
> domesticated boar, which are nasty critters.
They're exactly the European Boar and not all that domesticated. Pigs go
feral very easily, and are generally nothing to trifle with once they've
gone feral. The people that hunt them with spears are either very skilled
and very strong, or they're lucky maniacs, to succeed.
Pigs and people eat just about the exact same things, in about the same
amounts. It's been suggested that the bans on pigs in various cultures have
to do more with the fact that those cultures originated in regions where the
competition for food between pigs (even domesticated) and humans would have
left not quite enough for either. And since people had the weapons, the pigs
got driven out.
>>I heard other things as well, but the general lesson was to the
>>effect that if there weren't something (like other people,
>>generally) preventing it, pigs would be perfectly happy to chow
>>down on anyone. And apparently they have been known to be fairly
>>ingenious about doing it,
>
>
> they're not dumb.
No, they are thought by some to be rather smarter than dogs, somewhere up
around the level of cetaceans or hominoid apes. Plus, they are rather
organized and very social animals.
>>if not necessarily getting away with doing it.
>
>
> only because they've no escape.
Well, if they can escape to the wild, which many have...
>>The impression that I got was that while some animals might kill
>>and eat you, they'd just be animals doing what came naturally.
>>However, I also was given the impression that pigs could
>>definitely have applied to them the term "murderous".
>
>
> but in their own morality, is it not justifiable?
Feh, swine aren't exactly known for morals.
> swine morality. heh. everything comes back to politics.
It may interest you to know that pigs and humans both have vermiform
appendixes and wisdom teeth. The rest of the hominoid apes have neither.
Take that as you will.
trizia
<ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>Pigs and people eat just about the exact same things, in about the same
>amounts. It's been suggested that the bans on pigs in various cultures have
>to do more with the fact that those cultures originated in regions where the
>competition for food between pigs (even domesticated) and humans would have
>left not quite enough for either. And since people had the weapons, the pigs
>got driven out.
>
>
Arm the pigs!!!!!
-----
Trizia
Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there with open arms
PapaD
in message
news:ns_de_cybax__yahoo.com_not.re...@news.newsguy
.com...
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> aren't pigs omnivorous? at any rate, swine are more or less
> domesticated boar, which are nasty critters.
I like hunting boar. They hunt back.
PP
Tiny Human Ferret
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:53:29 -0400, Tiny Human Ferret
> <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Pigs and people eat just about the exact same things, in about the same
>>amounts. It's been suggested that the bans on pigs in various cultures have
>>to do more with the fact that those cultures originated in regions where the
>>competition for food between pigs (even domesticated) and humans would have
>>left not quite enough for either. And since people had the weapons, the pigs
>>got driven out.
>>
>>
>
> Arm the pigs!!!!!
Razor sharp slashing tusks and a 200-percent outweighing isn't enough?
Tiny Human Ferret
Some days you get the boar, some days the boar gets you.
Whisky-Dave
"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
news:3F1EBF36...@earthops.net...
> > I like hunting boar. They hunt back.
>
> Some days you get the boar, some days the boar gets you.
>
Yawn, All very bo'a'ring can we talk about Goth things :)
trizia
<ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>trizia wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:53:29 -0400, Tiny Human Ferret
>> <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Pigs and people eat just about the exact same things, in about the same
>>>amounts. It's been suggested that the bans on pigs in various cultures have
>>>to do more with the fact that those cultures originated in regions where the
>>>competition for food between pigs (even domesticated) and humans would have
>>>left not quite enough for either. And since people had the weapons, the pigs
>>>got driven out.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Arm the pigs!!!!!
>
>Razor sharp slashing tusks and a 200-percent outweighing isn't enough?
Nah, I want them to have lots of guns - Beretta 93R, SIG P226, FN
P-90 (because it looks so wierd), Steyr TMP, SIG SSG-3000, Dragunov.
And then some artillary too :-)
The tusks are just for close combat.
Jennie
> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
> news:3F1EBF36...@earthops.net...
> Yawn, All very bo'a'ring can we talk about Goth things :)
I'm sure man-eating swine are at least goth_ic_.
Tiny Human Ferret
> In article <bfokj4$l7s$1...@beta.qmul.ac.uk>, Whisky-Dave wrote:
>
>>"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
>>news:3F1EBF36...@earthops.net...
>>
>>>Some days you get the boar, some days the boar gets you.
>>
>
>>Yawn, All very bo'a'ring can we talk about Goth things :)
>
>
> I'm sure man-eating swine are at least goth_ic_.
I suppose that man-eating anything are GAF.
Sort of the definition of gothic in literature, eh?
The Emperor Penguin
> >>>Some days you get the boar, some days the boar gets you.
> >>Yawn, All very bo'a'ring can we talk about Goth things :)
> > I'm sure man-eating swine are at least goth_ic_.
> I suppose that man-eating anything are GAF.
Now become a bit of a non-sequituer, perhaps (I have been unable to
post for the past week or so when this was more relevant) but
anyway...
You do know that if you rub a pig on its belly it'll roll over and lie
there in a state of ecstatic bliss, with a little piggy smile on its
face. I've tried it with semi-wild Tamworths - it works.
~~~
The Emperor Penguin
Tiny Human Ferret
> Tiny Human Ferret <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote
>
>>Jennie wrote:
>>
>>>Whisky-Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote
>>>
>
>>>>>Some days you get the boar, some days the boar gets you.
>>>>
>
>>>>Yawn, All very bo'a'ring can we talk about Goth things :)
>>>
>
>
>>> I'm sure man-eating swine are at least goth_ic_.
>>
>
>
>>I suppose that man-eating anything are GAF.
>
>
> Now become a bit of a non-sequituer, perhaps (I have been unable to
> post for the past week or so when this was more relevant) but
> anyway...
>
> You do know that if you rub a pig on its belly it'll roll over and lie
> there in a state of ecstatic bliss, with a little piggy smile on its
> face. I've tried it with semi-wild Tamworths - it works.
Of course, one has to determine what would be the proper approach to rubbing
the tummy of something with razor-sharp tusks and plenty of weight and
agility to swing them.
Maybe extreme flattery?
Whisky-Dave
"The Emperor Penguin" <emperor...@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:2cab4ea6.03073...@posting.google.com...
> You do know that if you rub a pig on its belly it'll roll over and lie
> there in a state of ecstatic bliss, with a little piggy smile on its
> face. I've tried it with semi-wild Tamworths - it works.
Yeah well that's something I've always wanted to know,
well lifes complete now, nothing else left I guess......
Good Bye world, it was nice knowing you. :)
The Emperor Penguin
> > there in a state of ecstatic bliss, with a little piggy smile on its
> > face. I've tried it with semi-wild Tamworths - it works.
>
> Yeah well that's something I've always wanted to know,
> well lifes complete now, nothing else left I guess......
>
> Good Bye world, it was nice knowing you. :)
Bye then.
Oh and if you're going to go, how about following Trizia's suggestion
& filming the results. I'd pay for the video.
~~~
The Emperor Penguin
Whisky-Dave
"The Emperor Penguin" <emperor...@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:2cab4ea6.03073...@posting.google.com...
> "Whisky-Dave" <whisk...@final.front.ear> wrote
> Oh and if you're going to go, how about following Trizia's suggestion
> & filming the results. I'd pay for the video.
Video's to 20th Century for me, but if your offering to by a camcorder.....
The canon 650i will do thanks.
The Emperor Penguin
>
> > Oh and if you're going to go, how about following Trizia's suggestion
> > & filming the results. I'd pay for the video.
>
> Video's to 20th Century for me, but if your offering to by a camcorder.....
> The canon 650i will do thanks.
Digital video is still video. 35mm is still, technically, video,
insofar as it aint audio. All of which is by way of saying - NO. I
am not buying you a 650i. Not until I can afford a Nikon D2H for
myself. Or hell freezes over, which might be sooner.
By the way, the pig tickling thing is apparently related to the way
pigeons are "hypnotised" by turning them onto their backs.
~~~
The Emperor Penguin
Jennie
> By the way, the pig tickling thing is apparently related to the way
> pigeons are "hypnotised" by turning them onto their backs.
That works with lots of animals. Even sharks on their backs
become sleepy and still.
Nyx
news:slrnbintvu...@penelope.triffid.demon.co.uk:
> That works with lots of animals. Even sharks on their backs
> become sleepy and still.
You hypnotize ferrets by holding them under their arms and letting their
legs dangle, while swinging them back and forth.
Nyx
--
The Dude: Fortunately, I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh,
regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber.
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The Emperor Penguin
> Jennie <jen...@penelope.triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > That works with lots of animals. Even sharks on their backs
> > become sleepy and still.
>
> You hypnotize ferrets by holding them under their arms and letting their
> legs dangle, while swinging them back and forth.
Isn't that just them getting seasick, closing their eyes and holding
very still, while hoping it all goes away soon?
~~~
The Emperor Penguin
Nyx
news:2cab4ea6.0308...@posting.google.com:
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> Isn't that just them getting seasick, closing their eyes and holding
> very still, while hoping it all goes away soon?
They don't close thier eyes. They just stare off into space and think of
England, or something.
Jennie
2305060...@news.comcast.giganews.com>, --nightshade-- wrote:
> Jennie wrote:
>> That works with lots of animals. Even sharks on their backs
>> become sleepy and still.
> fundamental flaw in higher life forms. do we know why this is the case?
> does it serve any purpose?
It might be a sexual thing. In egg laying fish, sexual contact
consists of the male rubbing against the female's belly in a attempt to
trigger the release of eggs she's carrying. If he can manage it, the best
way for him to do this is with his own belly or lower flanks, so that
he'll be in the right position to release his sperm onto the eggs when
they emerge. In live bearing fish (like sharks), the male usually nuzzles
the underside of the female to make her receptive before he inserts his
sperm. Typically, where such a feature is present in one sex and does not
represent a great disadvantage (iirc, only primates catch fish by tickling
their bellies, and primates wouldn't have been around when these
mechanisms developed) then it tends to show up in the other sex too,
though sometimes to a lesser degree. And since we're all evolved from
fish-like organisms... perhaps this is a characteristic which many animals
had no reason to lose. In mammals, it would help females to feel happy
about being suckled by young.
As for being upside down specifically, I would expect it's
related, but we also have to consider the disruption to balance organs
which just aren't designed to cope with that sort of thing. Most fish on
their backs will struggle for a while and then become still. I suspect
this is equivalent to the way that humans with severe car sickness can
suffer sufficient nausea that they faint. The faint ends other forms of
physical panic which may be dangerous if they go on for too long.
Tiny Human Ferret
> Nyx wrote:
>
>
>>You hypnotize ferrets by holding them under their arms and letting their
>>legs dangle, while swinging them back and forth.
>
>
Not this one, when dangled and swung, as a rule I get bilious rather than
sleepy.
Whisky-Dave
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> i wonder, then, sharks being rather ancient creatures, if this isn't some
> fundamental flaw in higher life forms. do we know why this is the case?
> does it serve any purpose?
Well some birds also lay on their backs and pretend to be dead as it
puts some preditors off because they don't like eating stuff that's been
dead to
long, I thik there's a snake that gives of the smell of rotting flesh to
further
put of the predator.
Although it must depend on the predator can't see it working with hyenas
or vultures. I also remember something about the small of rotting flesh
being 'nasty' to us humans as a primitive sign that it shouldn't come
anywhere near our mouths and that's why the smell is so strong/bad
which is due to the dangerous bacteria present.
Doesn't explain marmite or parmesan cheese though. :)
> appear dead, and perhaps thus less-than-appetizing? though, some
> critters, when on their back, appear more appetizing...
No comment luv ;-)
Edvamp
puts some preditors off because they don't like eating stuff that's been
dead to
long, >>
Sounds like some girls I know.
Does this work at clubs?
Ever and Always
Edvamp
If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.
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Tiny Human Ferret
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
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>>
>>>Nyx wrote:
>>
>
>>>>You hypnotize ferrets by holding them under their arms and letting their
>>>>legs dangle, while swinging them back and forth.
>>>
>
>>>klaatu, this true of all ferrets?
>>
>
>>Not this one, when dangled and swung, as a rule I get bilious rather than
>>sleepy.
>
>
> neck (a handle for their parents), and i've seen rabbits go limp when
> being carried by a cat in the same manner, but as prey. likely a good
> response to appear dead, so as to have the chance to bolt if the
> opportunity presents itself.
"A good response to appear dead..." Once again, you have outdone yourself in
explaining Goth.
Whisky-Dave
"Edvamp" <edv...@aol.comKILLKILL> wrote in message
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> << Well some birds also lay on their backs and pretend to be dead as it
> puts some preditors off because they don't like eating stuff that's been
> dead to
> long, >>
>
>
> Sounds like some girls I know.
>
> Does this work at clubs?
>
Not in the Necrophilia type ones, but then again I just find them dead
boring :)
Jennie
> --nightshade-- wrote:
>> neck (a handle for their parents), and i've seen rabbits go limp when
>> being carried by a cat in the same manner, but as prey. likely a good
>> response to appear dead, so as to have the chance to bolt if the
>> opportunity presents itself.
> "A good response to appear dead..." Once again, you have outdone yourself in
> explaining Goth.
Do goths frequently go limp around you?
Tiny Human Ferret
> In article <3F30F48D...@earthops.net>, Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
>>--nightshade-- wrote:
>>
>>>neck (a handle for their parents), and i've seen rabbits go limp when
>>>being carried by a cat in the same manner, but as prey. likely a good
>>>response to appear dead, so as to have the chance to bolt if the
>>>opportunity presents itself.
>>
>
>
>>"A good response to appear dead..." Once again, you have outdone yourself in
>>explaining Goth.
>
>
> Do goths frequently go limp around you?
No, but then again I am not dangling them by the nape, either.
I suppose both of us will have to remember to use our <sarcasm> tags.