A Musical Revelation
The Exiled, V.2.0
For a while now I've been kinda disappointed by most...electropop?
darkwave? dunno what it's being called now, but the electronic stuff
with dude singing melodically. It seems the name changes every week.
Ah, yes, synthpop!
Now, my disappointment is alleviated by a few peeps. Mark Nicholas'
performance on IPM last night was nothing short of fun and amusing,
with skill being shown.
But most everybody else? I'm hearing better when watching "Magical
Trevor" on the Weebl and Bob site.
That is sad.
Anyhow, tired, sleep deping, going to bed after 12-hour worknight.
Regards,
The Exiled, V.2.0
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<thiscrownofblacki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey, just had a brainstorm.
> For a while now I've been kinda disappointed by most...electropop?
> darkwave?
I stumbled across a new term (to me) this weekend: Gothtronica
WTF....
Okay, folks, we need to stop it with the 5 million subcategories. I
hereby declare that going forward I will categorize all "goth" music
by one of the following labels:
1. Stompy
2. Oontyz
3. Swirly
4. GEEEETARS
That is all.
-Sil
Trid
Keytars?
Trid
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The Exiled, V.2.0
>On Jun 10, 9:55 am, "The Exiled, V.2.0"
><thiscrownofblacki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey, just had a brainstorm.
>> For a while now I've been kinda disappointed by most...electropop?
>> darkwave?
>
>I stumbled across a new term (to me) this weekend: Gothtronica
>WTF....
*blink*
>Okay, folks, we need to stop it with the 5 million subcategories. I
>hereby declare that going forward I will categorize all "goth" music
>by one of the following labels:
>
>1. Stompy
>2. Oontyz
>3. Swirly
>4. GEEEETARS
>
>That is all.
I agree.
I am still working on that blasted GothCode, which I am renaming into
the net.goth.code for its current incarnation. I figure that if Synic
gave me permission to redo it back in 2001, then I still have it.
One of the things that will be redone very simply is the blasted music
list. I think your categories should apply.
Lord, people.
(No, I will not talk about net.goth.code until it's finished. Which
won't be till after DragonCon.)
vacant...@gmail.com
I nominate #5 - twangy (for the goth folk/gothibilly persuasion). It
may not have guitars, per se....
And have to ask, with hat in hand, what the hell is oontyz? I assume
it is electro of some sort?
Trid
#6 - Theramin
#7 - Horror movie soundbites
Trid
-avoiding actual *work* at all costs today
Satori
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I believe that's a typo and should be "oontzy"... which would be music whose
beat goes "oontz oontz oontz oontz"...
vacant...@gmail.com
> I believe that's a typo and should be "oontzy"... which would be music whose
> beat goes "oontz oontz oontz oontz"...
ROTFLMAO... I had She Wants Revenge - Spend the Night playing when I
read that... that described the beat perfectly.
As for trid's suggestion -
> #6 - Theramin
> #7 - Horror movie soundbites
How about "spoOOky"? That kind of captures the spooky wailing
stereotypical to both....
(PS - ever hear the Goblins soundtrack complilation? Fun stuff from
70s horror movies).
Oct'avian
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> I believe that's a typo and should be "oontzy"... which would be music
> whose beat goes "oontz oontz oontz oontz"...
Did you see the guy with the black t-shirt that had a red not sign around
the white letters:
oontz
oontz
oontz
Tres brilliant
~Oct'avian (I do agree that it serves a time and a place, but it is not on
repeat at your local club)
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Oct'avian
> whose beat goes "oontz oontz oontz oontz"...
Did you see the guy with the black t-shirt that had a red not sign around
Dizzy
> 2. Oontyz
> 3. Swirly
> 4. GEEEETARS
>
> That is all.
Swirly and GEEEEEETARS are pretty easy to pick out. What defining point
splits stompy and oontzy? I can pick out oontzy (though I may want to
compare notes and see if everyone uses the same "oontz"), but I'm trying
to come up with a good example of stompy that isn't guitars or oontzy...
anyone have a few examples?
--
~Dizzy, oontzy more often than not
Trid
wrote:
> Did you see the guy with the black t-shirt that had a red not sign around
> the white letters:
>
> oontz
> oontz
> oontz
>
> Tres brilliant
I'm still kicking myself for neglecting to bring one of my favorite
tee shirts to C13.
The front reads:
OONTZ
STOMP
MOPE
CHAT
REPEAT
Tony Tribby, one of the club/concert promoters in DC made some of THE
best shirts ever...I still wear them even though I left DC 5 years
ago.
Trid
-tee shirt and bumper sticker whore
Trid
> Swirly and GEEEEEETARS are pretty easy to pick out. What defining point
> splits stompy and oontzy? I can pick out oontzy (though I may want to
> compare notes and see if everyone uses the same "oontz"), but I'm trying
> to come up with a good example of stompy that isn't guitars or oontzy...
> anyone have a few examples?
Um...
Oontz, Oontz, Oontz, Oontz
Jugga... Jugga
Oontz, Oontz, Oontz, Oontz
Jugga... Jugga
Oontz, Oontz, Oontz, Oontz
Jugga... jugga...jugga jigga wugga
Oontz, Oontz, Oontz, Oontz...
er...a la FLA...sorta?
Trid
-much funnier when Strong Bad does it
w0rl0ck
> Swirly and GEEEEEETARS are pretty easy to pick out. What defining point
> splits stompy and oontzy? I can pick out oontzy (though I may want to
> compare notes and see if everyone uses the same "oontz"), but I'm trying
> to come up with a good example of stompy that isn't guitars or oontzy...
> anyone have a few examples?
Stompy:
"Three... you catch the maaaan. Doomp doomp doo-doo-doo-doomp."
Oontzy:
"I'm not afraid! Oontz, oontz, oontz. Swords!"
Or something like that. Incidentally, I'm supposed to go see VNV and
Imperative Reaction in two days at the House of Blues here in NOLA.
I'm already feeling a bit nauseous. Though I'm more of a GEEEEEETARS
guy, I like both bands okay... it's really the claustrophobic,
crowded, hot environment at HOB that has be queasy - C5 veterans can
attest to how uncomfortable the venue is. When did I get too old to
enjoy a good close, sweaty live show? Despite the controversy, I much
more enjoyed Skinny Puppy at C13, in a nice open high-ceilinged area,
with the right kind of people, than seeing them at the HOB a couple
years ago with local fratboys and sweaty standing room only.
Brian
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"Trid" <triddl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm still kicking myself for neglecting to bring one of my favorite
> tee shirts to C13.
I need to find one that describes the intense stomp dancing that I di which
leads me breathless almost to the point of passing out after 1 1/2 songs
(especially with the length of a good song!)
> Tony Tribby, one of the club/concert promoters in DC made some of THE
> best shirts ever...I still wear them even though I left DC 5 years
> ago.
>
> Trid
> -tee shirt and bumper sticker whore
I don't have much on the back of my car, but here's what I do have:
- Ribbon in multi-colored jigsaw pieces which says "Autism Awareness"
- Ribbon (that used to be) yellow that has printed: 'Support our Troops' and
handwritten in sharpie 'Impeach Bush'
- White background black simple block text: "You tailgate, I slow down. Got
it?"
~Oct'avian
Oct'avian
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> Or something like that. Incidentally, I'm supposed to go see VNV and
> Imperative Reaction in two days at the House of Blues here in NOLA. I'm
> already feeling a bit nauseous. Though I'm more of a GEEEEEETARS guy, I
> like both bands okay... it's really the claustrophobic, crowded, hot
> environment at HOB that has be queasy - C5 veterans can attest to how
> uncomfortable the venue is. When did I get too old to enjoy a good close,
> sweaty live show? Despite the controversy, I much more enjoyed Skinny
> Puppy at C13, in a nice open high-ceilinged area, with the right kind of
> people, than seeing them at the HOB a couple years ago with local fratboys
> and sweaty standing room only.
VNV is coming through here on the 29th. I'm looking forward to seeing And
One who is playing with them :) I like VNV, but I'm not sure that live in
concert will be good for me? I like to listen to them in certain ways and
I'm not sure it'll fit in a concert setting, but we'll see :)
The Exiled, V.2.0
wrote:
>attest to how uncomfortable the venue is. When did I get too old to
>enjoy a good close, sweaty live show? Despite the controversy, I much
>more enjoyed Skinny Puppy at C13, in a nice open high-ceilinged area,
>with the right kind of people, than seeing them at the HOB a couple
>years ago with local fratboys and sweaty standing room only.
S'all right. At least you can enjoy live shows.
Me, I avoid them as much as possible.
vacant...@gmail.com
wrote:
> - White background black simple block text: "You tailgate, I slow down. Got
> it?"
Sticks are perfect for that... you downshift and there are no
brakelights to warn them.
Just something to keep in mind when you don't want to go to work and
want to buy a new car....
(and want to risk traction, but hey... nothing is perfect).
w0rl0ck
> VNV is coming through here on the 29th. I'm looking forward to seeing And
> One who is playing with them :) I like VNV, but I'm not sure that live in
> concert will be good for me? I like to listen to them in certain ways and
> I'm not sure it'll fit in a concert setting, but we'll see :)
I actually only really care for VNV live. I think the live show is
much more enjoyable than their studio stuff... I listen to the CDs
primarily to help my head remember the live show. But, I still have
fuzzies from seeing them in a warehouse gig in LA (I think with
Imperative Reaction and Pulse Legion), pre-Empires... hasn't been
quite the same since, but it can still be enjoyable.
c14...@gmail.com
> Stompy:
> "Three... you catch the maaaan. Doomp doomp doo-doo-doo-doomp."
>
> Oontzy:
> "I'm not afraid! Oontz, oontz, oontz. Swords!"
Aye, that's it.
Stompy is old school industrial
Oontzy (yes, I typo'ed earlier) is synthpop stuff
-Sil
Peter H. Coffin
> Dizzy wrote:
>> Swirly and GEEEEEETARS are pretty easy to pick out. What defining point
>> splits stompy and oontzy? I can pick out oontzy (though I may want to
>> compare notes and see if everyone uses the same "oontz"), but I'm trying
>> to come up with a good example of stompy that isn't guitars or oontzy...
>> anyone have a few examples?
>
> Stompy:
> "Three... you catch the maaaan. Doomp doomp doo-doo-doo-doomp."
>
> Oontzy:
> "I'm not afraid! Oontz, oontz, oontz. Swords!"
Interestingly, this is EXACTLY the contrast I was about to post, right
down to the track.
Good thing I decided to finish reading the thread.
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eveofdestruction
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>
> I believe that's a typo and should be "oontzy"... which would be music
> whose beat goes "oontz oontz oontz oontz"...
>
Which, when I have had a few drinks, causes an overwhelming urge to "raise
the roof".
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eveofdestruction
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> Oct'avian wrote:
>> VNV is coming through here on the 29th. I'm looking forward to
>> seeing And One who is playing with them :) I like VNV, but I'm not
>> sure that live in concert will be good for me? I like to listen to
>> them in certain ways and I'm not sure it'll fit in a concert setting,
>> but we'll see :)
>
> I actually only really care for VNV live. I think the live show is
> much more enjoyable than their studio stuff... I listen to the CDs
> primarily to help my head remember the live show. But, I still have
> fuzzies from seeing them in a warehouse gig in LA (I think with
> Imperative Reaction and Pulse Legion), pre-Empires... hasn't been
> quite the same since, but it can still be enjoyable.
>
> Brian
>
Pulse Legion? Wow, I remember seeing them at tons of gigs back when
they were a local Honolulu Band. They used to do this really long
instrumental intro where they said "Pulse Legion" over and over again
for like 5 minutes in a way that would have us giggling and saying,
"Sexual Chocolate". Ah, good times.
Shannon - Sexual Chocolate
Macross Actual
> w0rl0ck <w0r...@diavoloweb.com> wrote in
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>
>> Oct'avian wrote:
>>> VNV is coming through here on the 29th. I'm looking forward to
>>> seeing And One who is playing with them :) I like VNV, but I'm not
>>> sure that live in concert will be good for me? I like to listen to
>>> them in certain ways and I'm not sure it'll fit in a concert setting,
>>> but we'll see :)
>> I actually only really care for VNV live. I think the live show is
>> much more enjoyable than their studio stuff... I listen to the CDs
>> primarily to help my head remember the live show. But, I still have
>> fuzzies from seeing them in a warehouse gig in LA (I think with
>> Imperative Reaction and Pulse Legion), pre-Empires... hasn't been
>> quite the same since, but it can still be enjoyable.
The whole VNV "live" show is played from disk? The synths they have on stage
are generally plugged into power to turn the lights on and that is it.
Essentially what you get on your albums is the exact same thing you hear on
the venue soundsystem.
Best VNV gig ever was Detroit... the cdplayer was sitting on top of one of
the roadcases the rental gear arrived in. either the disk was smudged or a
drunk bumped the road case in the middle of a song and the track stopped
dead for about 3 seconds while the player re-aligned itself.
-///
w0rl0ck
> The whole VNV "live" show is played from disk? The synths they have on
> stage are generally plugged into power to turn the lights on and that is
> it. Essentially what you get on your albums is the exact same thing you
> hear on the venue soundsystem.
Well, I was pretty drunk last time I saw them... so it could have been
the beer-headphones talking. But, they still sing along and make big
V-hands, right? It seems like they usually sound a bit raw live, which
I like better than the studio-smooth sound. I'd be willing to concede
that the beats are pre-recorded, of course. What synthpop band worth
its salt would create live beats... how would they even do that? It's
not as if there is a physical instrument they could strike that would
make a booming or beating sound...
...eh, sorry, the sarcasm isn't really working today... I woke up with
coffee sans Tullamore Dew.
> Best VNV gig ever was Detroit... the cdplayer was sitting on top of one
> of the roadcases the rental gear arrived in. either the disk was smudged
> or a drunk bumped the road case in the middle of a song and the track
> stopped dead for about 3 seconds while the player re-aligned itself.
Ha!
Oct'avian
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> The whole VNV "live" show is played from disk?
<snip>
> Best VNV gig ever was Detroit... the cdplayer was sitting on top of one of
> the roadcases the rental gear arrived in. either the disk was smudged or a
> drunk bumped the road case in the middle of a song and the track stopped
> dead for about 3 seconds while the player re-aligned itself.
That's... just... horrible....
~Oct'avian (still looking forward to And One)
((what good is a live performance if it isn't live.. :( ))
Oct'avian
> What synthpop band worth its salt would create live beats... how would
> they even do that? It's not as if there is a physical instrument they
> could strike that would make a booming or beating sound...
>
> ...eh, sorry, the sarcasm isn't really working today... I woke up with
> coffee sans Tullamore Dew.
*shrug* I alays thought that there was too much pre-recorded stuff going
for live bands, even in the synthpop variety. To me, if it is a live
concert, they should be able to re-create the music live ;) That also means
that some bands just would be club/home music and not tour-able, for that
very reason, which is okay with me.
I understand that tracks are created electronically, though you should be
able to re-create the creation on stage too :) Like an old-school DJ that's
doing effects to a song right there instead of with software to play a mixed
version later (like slowing down or adding in effects).
meh
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> Macross Actual wrote:
> > The whole VNV "live" show is played from disk? The synths they have on
> > stage are generally plugged into power to turn the lights on and that is
> > it. Essentially what you get on your albums is the exact same thing you
> > hear on the venue soundsystem.
> Well, I was pretty drunk last time I saw them... so it could have been
> the beer-headphones talking. But, they still sing along and make big
> V-hands, right? It seems like they usually sound a bit raw live, which
I recall they sing live too... The beats are pre-recorded... The back
part of the audience was dancing their asses off after a few songs,
because there wasn't much action to see and we had more fun that way
anyway.
Good concert, but then again I got sick of rushing the stage and
staring at musicians a long time ago. Either drink and dance, or
drink and sit while enjoying the tunes.
Of course then there's Cruxshadows, who likes to sneak around the
audience...
Once, ages ago, I was offered a chance to be a part of a synthband's
concert because "It's all pre-recorded anyway and we're playing at a
women's college so you could just poke the instruments and look
cute." Turned him down. Damn I was stupid.
Oct'avian
"Macross Actual" <macr...@trap.digital+angel.c0m> wrote in message
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> The whole VNV "live" show is played from disk?
<snip>
> Best VNV gig ever was Detroit... the cdplayer was sitting on top of one of
> the roadcases the rental gear arrived in. either the disk was smudged or a
> drunk bumped the road case in the middle of a song and the track stopped
> dead for about 3 seconds while the player re-aligned itself.
That's... just... horrible....
~Oct'avian (still looking forward to And One)
((what good is a live performance if it isn't live.. :( ))
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<thiscrownofblacki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey, just had a brainstorm.
> For a while now I've been kinda disappointed by most...electropop?
> darkwave? dunno what it's being called now, but the electronic stuff
> with dude singing melodically. It seems the name changes every week.
> Ah, yes, synthpop!
Yerp, its all sounding about the same to me lately and I love the
stuff. Then again I've been getting more into the stuff like
Attrition, Die Form, Ego Likeness, Collide, Wench...etc. Stuff that's
still electronic but its not annoying repetitious electronic. Its
being actually creative in its application of its tools. DJ Kangal
came up with a cool term for it, which was "post-goth". :)
However I do prefer using terms like stompy, oontzy, swirly and
ROCKINS!!! cause it fits how I dance to it better.
Calhoun, who's impression of the last VNV turned me off from them for
good.
Sheila Marie
Incidentally, I'm supposed to go see VNV and
> Imperative Reaction in two days at the House of Blues here in NOLA. I'm
> already feeling a bit nauseous. Though I'm more of a GEEEEEETARS guy, I
> like both bands okay... it's really the claustrophobic, crowded, hot
> environment at HOB that has be queasy - C5 veterans can attest to how
> uncomfortable the venue is. When did I get too old to enjoy a good close,
> sweaty live show? Despite the controversy, I much more enjoyed Skinny
> Puppy at C13, in a nice open high-ceilinged area, with the right kind of
> people, than seeing them at the HOB a couple years ago with local fratboys
> and sweaty standing room only.
I usually head upstairs and get close to the rail just above the VIP seating
or go on the floor and stand near the mosh pit. I know, no pit at a VNV
Nation show leaving upstairs as the only option. [1]
I don't know if the HOB in Orlando is bigger than the one in NOLA, but I've
never felt crowded in Orlando. I do recall feeling crowded in NOLA. They
have the same general arrangement, but maybe since the Orlando was custom
built instead of a retrofit into an existing building, they were able to
make it roomier?
Sheila Marie
[1] had to go all "mosh pit" on some dude at a TKK show in the NOLA HOB
because he tried to stand in front of me when I was at the rail & had been
there since way before the show started.
w0rl0ck
> On Jun 10, 6:55 am, "The Exiled, V.2.0"
> <thiscrownofblacki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey, just had a brainstorm.
>> For a while now I've been kinda disappointed by most...electropop?
>> darkwave? dunno what it's being called now, but the electronic stuff
>> with dude singing melodically. It seems the name changes every week.
>> Ah, yes, synthpop!
>
> Yerp, its all sounding about the same to me lately and I love the
> stuff. Then again I've been getting more into the stuff like
> Attrition, Die Form, Ego Likeness, Collide, Wench...etc. Stuff that's
> still electronic but its not annoying repetitious electronic. Its
> being actually creative in its application of its tools. DJ Kangal
> came up with a cool term for it, which was "post-goth". :)
Both Gwen and I are becoming fairly earnest Ego Likeness fans. Donna
and Steven were actually just here in New Orleans last weekend... I
think just for vacation, not for a gig. At Aunt Tiki's bar, while Gwen
and Vinnie kidnapped Donna to show her the Lalaurie mansion around the
corner, Steven and I ended up talking about old bands like FoTN and
Faith No More (strangely) and - of all things - Tangerine Dream. Ah...
I love me some Stratosfear.
Steven is also quite a good artist; he showed me his sketchbook (for
lack of a better word) which began life as some sort of pocket
technical guide, but on the right hand pages he had created very cool,
colorful art on a small scale. It reminded me a bit of Clive Barker's
illustrations. I think he also posts art on their LJ, so if you're
interested...
Anyway, they're nice folk and sound good, too. You might also check
out Steven's side project at http://www.hopefulmachines.net.
Cheers
Macross Actual
> "Macross Actual" <macr...@trap.digital+angel.c0m> wrote in message
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>
> <snip>
>> Best VNV gig ever was Detroit... the cdplayer was sitting on top of one of
>> the roadcases the rental gear arrived in. either the disk was smudged or a
>> drunk bumped the road case in the middle of a song and the track stopped
>> dead for about 3 seconds while the player re-aligned itself.
>
> That's... just... horrible....
>
> ~Oct'avian (still looking forward to And One)
> ((what good is a live performance if it isn't live.. :( ))
Consistent, I spose. I understand for them to "perform" onstage rocking
protools it would just look like two guys checking their email... and I
spose if they tried to adapt it to fit a live stage the simple minded
droolers would freak the fuck out.
I have seen it done successfully by many electronic acts, thou... boole
comes to mind immediately with the brass and such. Heavy Water Factory was
another digital act that transformed into a killer live show.
oh well. What I like and what sells to the mass market are two different
things.
-///
Macross Actual
>
> Yerp, its all sounding about the same to me lately and I love the
> stuff. Then again I've been getting more into the stuff like
> Attrition, Die Form, Ego Likeness, Collide, Wench...etc. Stuff that's
> still electronic but its not annoying repetitious electronic. Its
> being actually creative in its application of its tools. DJ Kangal
> came up with a cool term for it, which was "post-goth". :)
POST GOTH. nice. I'm gonna write that one down.
I effin adore Ego Likeness. theyve got a good variety to them. Poetry nerds
will appreciate that theyve published some written works to accompany the
music as well. Reminds me a lot of the multi-talented powerhouse that is
faith & the muse.
Attrition is touring the states again in a week or three with High Blue
Star. Martin's still doing his thing and Laura, his backup and the lead for
HBS has one hell of a set of pipes on her. Theyre worth checking out ina
smokey club.
(as an aside, They'll be hanging out at IPM for a special sunday brunch
broadcast in July too. )
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>>
> Of course then there's Cruxshadows, who likes to sneak around the
> audience...
While it's gotten to be patented shtick, I still love watching Rogue fuck
off and wander around...a few minutes go by and someone snaps out of a daze
to start looking about, wondering where the spikey haired fellow who was
singing has gone.. and BOO Rogue pops up behind the unsuspecting goff.
While I miss the original line up, I can understand totally how touring
almost constantly for years on end would wear a person out. I spose the
Cruxshadows are our gothic equivalent of Iron Maiden.
> Once, ages ago, I was offered a chance to be a part of a synthband's
> concert because "It's all pre-recorded anyway and we're playing at a
> women's college so you could just poke the instruments and look
> cute." Turned him down. Damn I was stupid.
Yeah that was definitely the wrong answer. I'd do it for a lark, specially
at a women's college. hello.
kantrip
>
> Anyway, they're nice folk and sound good, too. You might also check
> out Steven's side project athttp://www.hopefulmachines.net.
I'm actually quite enamoured with his art and its not surprising he
brought up Tangerine Dream. Hopeful Machines has that sound/essence
behind it and is always a treat to listen to honestly.
That what I mean about using the tools creatively. You have something
that goes "Beep" and "oontz". Now figure out how to make other noises
with it. It has that spirit of when Gary Numan or 808 State or New
Order would crack open their gear and rewire it to screw with the
factory presets.
Calhoun
kantrip
wrote:
>
> Attrition is touring the states again in a week or three with High Blue
> Star. Martin's still doing his thing and Laura, his backup and the lead for
> HBS has one hell of a set of pipes on her. Theyre worth checking out ina
> smokey club.
>
> (as an aside, They'll be hanging out at IPM for a special sunday brunch
> broadcast in July too. )
I'm pissed because there's not a Seattle date for it honestly. Since
HBS usually will play with Attrition for their tours since Laurie
joined up its always been a very cool show to attend. Hearing a more
spacey and industrial project like HBS and going into something more
dark and earthy like Attrition.
I'll have to check out that IPM when you have them on.
Calhoun
kantrip
wrote:
> While it's gotten to be patented shtick, I still love watching Rogue fuck
> off and wander around...a few minutes go by and someone snaps out of a daze
> to start looking about, wondering where the spikey haired fellow who was
> singing has gone.. and BOO Rogue pops up behind the unsuspecting goff.
>
That and the acrobatics. Its one thing to see him just climb up into
the rafters at a club, but looking at pics from the show in China and
seeing how he climbed that massive rig they build for him was a bit
silly. Still there is nothing as more satisfyingly silly as the
"gothic hoe-down" during Deception. he he he.
Calhoun
Axel
wrote:
> What synthpop band worth
>its salt would create live beats...
Mortmain does.
http://www.mortmain.com/
> how would they even do that?
Fucked if I know how, but Len is both brilliant & supremely weird.
--
Axel... ...Kallisti
"Everything is true, even false things" -Malaclypse the Younger
"How can that be?" "Don't ask me, man, I didn't do it."
<ax...@eol.ca>
Calhoun/DJ Kantrip
would create live beats...
>
> Mortmain does.
> http://www.mortmain.com/
>
>> how would they even do that?
>
> Fucked if I know how, but Len is both brilliant & supremely weird.
I'll have to check this out. I remember reading in a book recently about
how early Disco DJs would get really talented drummers and have battles
with the live drummer switching off through out the night and see who could
go faster. So I don't doubt its possible, nor would it be boring to watch.
Calhoun
"Watch the vein in his head begin to throb when he hits 160 BPM"
Lady Cat
<vacantpret...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 11, 5:22 pm, "Satori" <dwisno...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > I believe that's a typo and should be "oontzy"... which would be music whose
> > beat goes "oontz oontz oontz oontz"...
>
> read that... that described the beat perfectly.
>
> As for trid's suggestion -
>
> > #6 - Theramin
> > #7 - Horror movie soundbites
>
> How about "spoOOky"? That kind of captures the spooky wailing
> stereotypical to both....
> (PS - ever hear the Goblins soundtrack complilation? Fun stuff from
> 70s horror movies).
So what would Ethereal music be? What classification is Concrete
Blondes "Bloodletting"? Midnight Syndicate?
Stuck in the past........Lady Cat
Oct'avian
"Calhoun/DJ Kantrip" <kan...@darkbohemia.net> wrote in message
news:z00dw3x9282b.127as9anux9ho$.dlg@40tude.net...
> I'll have to check this out. I remember reading in a book recently about
> how early Disco DJs would get really talented drummers and have battles
> with the live drummer switching off through out the night and see who
> could
> go faster. So I don't doubt its possible, nor would it be boring to
> watch.
now THAT would be a mix contest worth watching without participating in!!
~Oct'avian
Jennie Kermode
> Last episode Macross Actual <macr...@trap.digital+angel.c0m> said:
>>While I miss the original line up, I can understand totally how touring
>>almost constantly for years on end would wear a person out. I spose the
>>Cruxshadows are our gothic equivalent of Iron Maiden.
> What? Boring and crap?
> (This is my honestly held opinion)
I'm with you on that one. I often feel as if much of the
modern goth music scene is built around a conspiracy of silence, with
everyone politely pretending to agree that they think these bands are
talented. But then, the other day I took a wander through the 'gothic'
sections of some download sites and got a glimpse of what else is out
there. By the end of it I was ready to run screaming back to the likes
of the Cruxshadows.
Jennie
--
Jennie Kermode jen...@innocent.com
http://www.triffid.demon.co.uk/jennie
whisky-dave
"Jennie Kermode" <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:slrnf8ndvq.66v...@laocoon.triffid.demon.co.uk...
> On 2007-07-04, Greylock <Greylock_NOTT...@vurt.net> wrote:
>> Last episode Macross Actual <macr...@trap.digital+angel.c0m> said:
>>>While I miss the original line up, I can understand totally how touring
>>>almost constantly for years on end would wear a person out. I spose the
>>>Cruxshadows are our gothic equivalent of Iron Maiden.
>
>> What? Boring and crap?
>> (This is my honestly held opinion)
>
> I'm with you on that one. I often feel as if much of the
> modern goth music scene is built around a conspiracy of silence,
Would that be deathly silence :)
> with
> everyone politely pretending to agree that they think these bands are
> talented.
For me thatdoesn't really matter, either I like the 'music' or I don't
whether or not they are talented is irrelivant.
>But then, the other day I took a wander through the 'gothic'
> sections of some download sites and got a glimpse of what else is out
> there.
I haven't bothered for quite a while now.
Although I do quite like some VNV but I don';t give a shit whether or not
they are talented or what grade they got at uni. and if you ask me any
of the members names I wouldn't havea clue. Do they wear black ?
Elder
"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk says...
> By the end of it I was ready to run screaming back to the likes
> of the Cruxshadows.
>
>
>
back together, The Cult reformed, Bauhaus toured, America is stockpiling
nukes, russia is threatening to point weapons at the west, recent
devolution referenda for Scotland (different outcome this time though),
and a UK labour government that is struggling as interest rates rise,
and the tories try to do something new to get in, and in some areas
rubbish is piling up in the streets.
I'm old enough to get a feeling of Deja Vu.
--
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
vacant...@gmail.com
> Remember, The Mission have a new Album out, Balaam and the angel are
> back together, The Cult reformed
Nothing really to say... I'm just giddy someone is talking about
current music on here.
> America is stockpiling nukes, russia is threatening to point weapons at the west, recent
> devolution referenda for Scotland (different outcome this time though),
> and a UK labour government that is struggling as interest rates rise,
> and the tories try to do something new to get in, and in some areas
> rubbish is piling up in the streets.
> I'm old enough to get a feeling of Deja Vu.
Next, Time magazine will have a magazine article declaring that Hip-
Hop is dead? (Hip-hop being the disco of the new millenium, IMHO).
Only problem is that I can't really see punk being trotted out as the
next new thing... again... since it has been done to death twice
before... and honestly, there's only so much you can do with two
freakin chords.
I guess Indie will be thrust into the mainlight, and we'll all pretend
it actually is something new, instead of recycled puree of the 80s?
Hell, even the name is recycled. At least emo has an original name.
Stupid, but original.
Maybe big band will make a come back...
Elder
vacant...@gmail.com says...
>
> I guess Indie will be thrust into the mainlight, and we'll all pretend
> it actually is something new, instead of recycled puree of the 80s?
You mean, Blur and the Verve announcing reforming and the Happy Mondays
having a new Album "Uncle dysfunctional" and a new single Jelly Bean
out.
> Hell, even the name is recycled. At least emo has an original name.
>
> Stupid, but original.
>
> Maybe big band will make a come back...
I'm going to see Acker Bilk and the Paramount Jazz Band next month at a
free gig as part of the local culture festival.
John Carr
> On Jul 5, 4:14 pm, Elder <carl.rob...@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote:
> Maybe big band will make a come back...
Oy - I hope so - it'd be about damn time. I thought it'd come back with
jump jive and swing got big in the 90s, but it fizzled before big band
could come back also.
I'm still crossing my fingers...
Nyx
news:MPG.20f7617d5...@news.individual.net:
>
> I'm old enough to get a feeling of Deja Vu.
Comforting, isn't it? All that prep work I did for the end of the world
might be useful after all.
I think I might build a fallout shelter below the basement.
Nyx
Nyx
news:1183668497.9...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> Hell, even the name is recycled. At least emo has an original name.
They stole it from Emo Phillips.
Nyx
Peter H. Coffin
> Maybe big band will make a come back...
I endorse this product or service.
1938-1945 had some GREAT music.
Oh yeah, The Glenn Miller Orchestra is touring.
http://www.glennmillerorchestra.com/itinerary.html
--
15. I will never employ any device with a digital countdown. If I find that
such a device is absolutely unavoidable, I will set it to activate when
the counter reaches 117 and the hero is just putting his plan into action.
--Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil Overlord
Nyx
news:slrnf8qs6q...@abyss.ninehells.com:
> Oh yeah, The Glenn Miller Orchestra is touring.
Zombie Glenn Miller? I thought they never found the body.
Nyx
Jennie Kermode
> Maybe big band will make a come back...
Big band came back last year, and the year before that. It was
all over the mainstream press. But nobody could be bothered to listen to
it.
Prince is showing us the future, giving hisnext album away in a
newspaper. He'll make a lot more money that way, fans will save money,
and the Music Industry willlose out, hence all their incoherent whining
about how 'irresponsible' he's being. No wonder they're trying to
promote emo; one can totally imagine them listening to it.
Dr. Frank N. Furter
> "Jennie Kermode" <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:slrnf8ndvq.66v...@laocoon.triffid.demon.co.uk...
>
> >> Last episode Macross Actual <macro...@trap.digital+angel.c0m> said:
> >>>While I miss the original line up, I can understand totally how touring
> >>>almost constantly for years on end would wear a person out. I spose the
> >>>Cruxshadows are our gothic equivalent of Iron Maiden.
>
> >> What? Boring and crap?
> >> (This is my honestly held opinion)
>
> > I'm with you on that one. I often feel as if much of the
> > modern goth music scene is built around a conspiracy of silence,
>
> Would that be deathly silence :)
>
I refer you to my t-shirt that says, "OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ" - inside a
red circle, with a line drawn through the text. Plenty of us hold out
for actual good, moving music, made by human hands and with lyrics
that actually scan. A few of us are aggressive enough about it to
promote club nights.
ObPlug: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1409/635487649_4b48300562_b.jpg
> > with
> > everyone politely pretending to agree that they think these bands are
> > talented.
I think that phenomenon is a symptom of the scene's longstnading
infestation by people who don't actually care about music or the
aesthetic as long as they can know enough about it to seem cool. Also
people who don't really care whether the music reflects the aesthetic
so long as they can dance to its broken washing machine beat.
> I haven't bothered for quite a while now.
> Although I do quite like some VNV but I don';t give a shit whether or not
> they are talented or what grade they got at uni. and if you ask me any
> of the members names I wouldn't havea clue. Do they wear black ?
Yes, but only because they make track suits for fat people in black.
- Dr. Frank N. Furter
- A Scientist
The Exiled, V.2.0
And this is why I am a fan of gothic rock, deathrock, psychobilly, and
gothabily. At least it has some guitar in it. I'm getting to where I
actively dislike most 'gothic' electronic music, mainly because I
can't tell the difference between it and, well, Ace of Base.
Regards,
The Exiled, V.2.0
---
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AIM: BlackIronCrown
---
The Exiled, V.2.0
<carl....@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote:
>In article <slrnf8ndvq.66v...@laocoon.triffid.demon.co.uk>,
>"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk says...
>> By the end of it I was ready to run screaming back to the likes
>> of the Cruxshadows.
>>
>>
>>
>Remember, The Mission have a new Album out, Balaam and the angel are
>back together, The Cult reformed, Bauhaus toured, America is stockpiling
>nukes, russia is threatening to point weapons at the west, recent
>devolution referenda for Scotland (different outcome this time though),
>and a UK labour government that is struggling as interest rates rise,
>and the tories try to do something new to get in, and in some areas
>rubbish is piling up in the streets.
>
>I'm old enough to get a feeling of Deja Vu.
*laughs*
My fucking God, that's the best post I've read in the while. You're
absolutely correcton it (or at least, as far as America and the music
are concerned).
Maybe we need another Cold War to get back to our roots.
vacant...@gmail.com
<thiscrownofblacki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And this is why I am a fan of gothic rock, deathrock, psychobilly, and
> gothabily. At least it has some guitar in it. I'm getting to where I
> actively dislike most 'gothic' electronic music, mainly because I
> can't tell the difference between it and, well, Ace of Base.
I'm a fan of both guitar and electronic *shrugs*
And of strings, brass, metal drums, grinders, tape loops, two lead
pipes....
vacant...@gmail.com
<his.majesty.king....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I refer you to my t-shirt that says, "OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ" - inside a
> red circle, with a line drawn through the text. Plenty of us hold out
> for actual good, moving music, made by human hands and with lyrics
> that actually scan. A few of us are aggressive enough about it to
> promote club nights.
If it has a guitar then it is good, moving music, made by human hands
with lyrics that scan.
If it does not have a guitar, it does not have these elements.
I know you are probably not actually that absolute, but seriously...
there is good electro and there is crappy insipid gothrawk. And the
converse is true.
I think the club bias comes from electro filling the dancefloor, while
goth can be harder to dance too.
And not only is the dancefloor more crowded, but the electro club can
be more crowded too. Let's assume people go to clubs to meet other
people and to dance. If you have music that fills both needs, then
I'd suspect the primarily electro club would be more full, assuming
most people like both goth and electro. People still like goth, they
just listen to it in different situations.
I'm suggesting this because I've talked to a lot of people who say "I
love this song, but it's so hard to dance to" when a goth song comes
on. You rarely hear that said about an electro song.
So maybe what we need is more "goth dancing 101" vidoes on youtube :-
D C'mon people, the ones up there are mostly pathetic.
And I see the 'old forms' of goth dancing less and less these days...
we're going back to the 'breeder 2 step'... complete with beer bottle.
Peter H. Coffin
> And this is why I am a fan of gothic rock, deathrock, psychobilly, and
> gothabily. At least it has some guitar in it. I'm getting to where I
> actively dislike most 'gothic' electronic music, mainly because I
> can't tell the difference between it and, well, Ace of Base.
Ace of Base doesn't have cookie monster vocals.
--
38. If an enemy I have just killed has a younger sibling or offspring
anywhere, I will find them and have them killed immediately, instead of
waiting for them to grow up harboring feelings of vengeance towards me in
my old age. --Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil Overlord
John Carr
> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:09:32 -0400, The Exiled, V.2.0 wrote:
>> And this is why I am a fan of gothic rock, deathrock, psychobilly, and
>> gothabily. At least it has some guitar in it. I'm getting to where I
>> actively dislike most 'gothic' electronic music, mainly because I
>> can't tell the difference between it and, well, Ace of Base.
> Ace of Base doesn't have cookie monster vocals.
If only it did though... <swoon>
Tiny Human Ferret
> On 2007-07-05, vacant...@gmail.com <vacant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Maybe big band will make a come back...
>
> Big band came back last year, and the year before that. It was
> all over the mainstream press. But nobody could be bothered to listen to
> it.
> Prince is showing us the future, giving hisnext album away in a
> newspaper. He'll make a lot more money that way, fans will save money,
> and the Music Industry willlose out, hence all their incoherent whining
> about how 'irresponsible' he's being. No wonder they're trying to
> promote emo; one can totally imagine them listening to it.
You do know that we love you for that sort of remark. ;)
I'm getting the picture that Emo is more or less Goth without it being an
actual counterculture. Emo is meant to be the mainstream of the next
generation. The only thing that can save people from their own inner
darkness is buying lots of product. Unlike probably most Goths, Emos will
probably subscribe wholesale to this sort of thing.
--
nam primi in omnibus proeliis oculi vincuntur.
Tiny Human Ferret
You guys. I swear.
Get thee hence to teh google and enter "atkins burton lee" and you should
find the video of their performance on the Larry King Live show of "I Got a
Woman". Now _that_ should make you swoon.
I've been playing guitar for about 30 years... and I know good when I see
and hear it. These aren't good, these are god.
Axel
>Only problem is that I can't really see punk being trotted out as the
>next new thing... again... since it has been done to death twice
>before... and honestly, there's only so much you can do with two
>freakin chords.
There's THREE chords in proper punk rock - A, E & G
Makes all the difference in the world.
--
Axel... ...Kallisti
"Everything is true, even false things" -Malaclypse the Younger
"How can that be?" "Don't ask me, man, I didn't do it."
<ax...@eol.ca>
Dr. Frank N. Furter
<vacantpret...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 5:13 am, "Dr. Frank N. Furter"
>
> <his.majesty.king....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I refer you to my t-shirt that says, "OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ" - inside a
> > red circle, with a line drawn through the text. Plenty of us hold out
> > for actual good, moving music, made by human hands and with lyrics
> > that actually scan. A few of us are aggressive enough about it to
> > promote club nights.
>
> If it has a guitar then it is good, moving music, made by human hands
> with lyrics that scan.
>
> If it does not have a guitar, it does not have these elements.
Not my point at all. I've posted a playlist or two here, and though
they change from time to time I think you'd find that a good deal of
what I play has no guitars in it. Playing something like, say,
Scarlet Life doesn't bother me at all. VNV, however, are the epitome
of everything that can be done wrong with electronic dance music.
They're the EBM equivalent of Two Times Two (obscure reference, I
know, but their videos left me scarred for life).
> I know you are probably not actually that absolute, but seriously...
> there is good electro and there is crappy insipid gothrawk. And the
> converse is true.
Why is it that every time someone points out that most EBM is pure
crap, someone feels obliged to point out that "most" does not mean
"all?" I knew that, thank you.
> I think the club bias comes from electro filling the dancefloor, while
> goth can be harder to dance too.
You've been to different clubs than I have. What I've seen is
synthpop emptying the dance floor 80% of the time unless it's a really
overplayed, familiar song, while at least the goth regulars at any
club will sometimes dance to things they haven't heard. I played a
relatively new Azam Ali song at my last club night that filled the
dance floor (it had no guitars in it, I concede), and I guarantee that
I was the only one in the room who could name the tune.
> And not only is the dancefloor more crowded, but the electro club can
> be more crowded too.
Generally with people who saw the word "goth" on the flyer and
expected or hoped for something that reflected that word.
> Let's assume people go to clubs to meet other
> people and to dance. If you have music that fills both needs, then
> I'd suspect the primarily electro club would be more full, assuming
> most people like both goth and electro. People still like goth, they
> just listen to it in different situations.
The goth scene got along without raver beats just fine for 20 years.
People danced. We've all had different experiences, but since EBM
started filling the clubs, I've watched the New Orleans scene, which
used to support three different clubs, seven days a week, each of
which charged a $5 cover, shrink to the point that it can barely
support one weekly no-cover night. That's a 95%-plus decline in
things to do. My own experience helping to run a monthly no-EBM event
shows that the demand for goth music to dance to is still very
strong.
>
> I'm suggesting this because I've talked to a lot of people who say "I
> love this song, but it's so hard to dance to" when a goth song comes
> on. You rarely hear that said about an electro song.
Because goths just complain about that music sucking. The fact that
we don't want to dance to it is assumed.
Nyx
news:1183939649.3...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
> Why is it that every time someone points out that most EBM is pure
> crap, someone feels obliged to point out that "most" does not mean
> "all?" I knew that, thank you.
Some large percentage of everything is crap. I can never figure out what
the percentage is. On bad days I'm sure it's 99.9999%. On good days I'd say
it's closer to 70%
Nyx
Peter H. Coffin
Sturgeon claims 90%. That's good enough for one significant digit.
--
70. When my guards split up to search for intruders, they will always travel in
groups of at least two. They will be trained so that if one of them
disappears mysteriously while on patrol, the other will immediately call
for backup, instead of quizzically peering around a corner. --Overlord
Tiny Human Ferret
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:32:33 GMT, Nyx wrote:
>> "Dr. Frank N. Furter" <his.majest...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:1183939649.3...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> Why is it that every time someone points out that most EBM is pure
>>> crap, someone feels obliged to point out that "most" does not mean
>>> "all?" I knew that, thank you.
>>
>> Some large percentage of everything is crap. I can never figure out what
>> the percentage is. On bad days I'm sure it's 99.9999%. On good days I'd say
>> it's closer to 70%
>
> Sturgeon claims 90%. That's good enough for one significant digit.
Usually he's quoted as "99 percent of it's crap. Hell, 99 percent of
_everything_ is crap!"
He was referring to what he found in the "slush pile" at his new editorial job.
I happen to like the episode of "the Simpsons" that came out right after the
FCC decision which basically said "freedom of speech is paramount and you
can cuss if you want as long as it's not egregiously prurient".
The sign in the scene said something like "Dr Sturgeon's All-Natural Manure
Fertilizer Products: 99 Percent of Everything is CRAP".
"Huh huh huh HUH! Truth in advertising at LAST!"
</ bart>
Dr. Frank N. Furter
wrote:
> Last episode "Dr. Frank N. Furter" <his.majesty.king....@gmail.com> said:
>
> >Playing something like, say, Scarlet Life doesn't bother me at all.
>
You mean? No, Scarlet Life are a successor project by Preston Klik
(sp?) who wrote the music for My Scarlet Life, and with a different
singer. Julie Axis and MSL's other singer moved on to different
projects - Jute in particular is very good.
>
> > VNV, however, are the epitome of everything that can be done wrong with electronic dance music.
>
> Brother, Have you met Combichrist yet?
Yes. See the look Kourtney's giving me in this photo:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gideon_stargrave/133117232/in/set-72057594111068754/
Don't like their music either, but they bother me less.
Dr. Frank N. Furter
wrote:
> Last episode "The Exiled, V.2.0" <thiscrownofblacki...@gmail.com> said:
>
> >And this is why I am a fan of gothic rock, deathrock, psychobilly, and
> >gothabily.
>
> Discuss.
Usually true. However I thoroughly enjoy the Danish variety as well
as the classics like Bo Diddley and Elvis, and of course the Cramps
are anything but dull when they're at their best (I've never quite
understood the British idolization of the Meteors). Few bands write
music as intricate and gorgeous as the HorrorPops and Nekromantix
can. It's a matter of taste, of course, and I don't like the many
dull wallowers in that genre any more than I imagine you do - it's
just that I appreciate the exceptions.
Siobhan
<his.majest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Usually true. However I thoroughly enjoy the Danish variety as well
>as the classics like Bo Diddley and Elvis, and of course the Cramps
>are anything but dull when they're at their best (I've never quite
>understood the British idolization of the Meteors). Few bands write
>music as intricate and gorgeous as the HorrorPops and Nekromantix
>can. It's a matter of taste, of course, and I don't like the many
>dull wallowers in that genre any more than I imagine you do - it's
>just that I appreciate the exceptions.
My biggest issue with rockabilly is how many bands claim that's what
they are playing when actually they are just a straight-ahead bar rock
band.
I *like* rock bands. I enjoy their gigs. I just wish they'd stop
telling people they're rockabilly when they're n ot, it confuses
people.
(Mind you, most of the people in Toronto can't tell the difference
anyway.)
Siobhan
Panurge
> Next, Time magazine will have a magazine article declaring that Hip-
> Hop is dead? (Hip-hop being the disco of the new millenium, IMHO).
Huh? Hip-hop has been around for a quarter-century, largely in the same form.
The fix is in; the hip consensus has long since spoken and there's no sense of a
new hip consensus to replace the one that formed in the wake of punk.
> Only problem is that I can't really see punk being trotted out as the
> next new thing... again... since it has been done to death twice
> before... and honestly, there's only so much you can do with two
> freakin chords.
Why not? That never stopped it before. Again, the fix is in.
> I guess Indie will be thrust into the mainlight, and we'll all pretend
> it actually is something new, instead of recycled puree of the 80s?
Heck, even back then it was recycled puree of 1965. ...Well, OK, that's unfair,
but it certainly had that stench about it. But *again*, the fix is in.
> Maybe big band will make a come back...
We had that. Remember Big Bad Voodoo Daddy?
--
"There is no excellent beauty which hath not some
strangeness in the proportion." --Sir Francis Bacon
Panurge
> Last episode Macross Actual <macr...@trap.digital+angel.c0m> said:
> >Consistent, I spose. I understand for them to "perform" onstage rocking
> >protools it would just look like two guys checking their email...
I dunno--I always liked that sort of Freak Scientist Operating The Big Tech
quality. You saw some of that in the '70s with bands like Tangerine Dream and
such. You didn't even have to *watch* them, just listen to the music.
Peter H. Coffin
> "vacant...@gmail.com" <vacant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Maybe big band will make a come back...
>
> We had that. Remember Big Bad Voodoo Daddy?
Nine makes a "big band" these days? Glenn Miller Orchestra's got 17 not
including the singers...
--
6. I will not gloat over my enemies' predicament before killing them.
Nyx
news:panurge-408B3D...@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
> Huh? Hip-hop has been around for a quarter-century, largely in the
> same form. The fix is in; the hip consensus has long since spoken and
> there's no sense of a new hip consensus to replace the one that formed
> in the wake of punk.
Such things come along quickly, though. Punk was created by a few hundred
people and did most of it's work in the first year, probably. Then it was
taken up by imitators and innovators around the world. It's been feeding of
itself all that time.
Grunge, while arguably a sub-gere of punk and another of the waves that
ripple back from the first big splash of punk (and, from another, equally
valid point of view, a mix of punk and metal) but Grunge happened among a
few hundred people in Seattle. Most of it's best stuff was done in a year
or so. Mother Love Bone, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden all did their best
work early on.
A revolution could be out there happening right now, and we might not know
about it. But that's increasingly less likely in the days of the internet.
If something happens ten thousand bloggers are talking about it in a few
days. Pre-internet it took a few years for anyone to hear of Jimi Hendrix.
If he were 17 now he'd be shredding on youtube.
I don't think there is though. I'm always searching for the next revolution
and I haven't heard shit
Nyx
Nyx
news:slrnfc7cab....@abyss.ninehells.com:
> Nine makes a "big band" these days? Glenn Miller Orchestra's got 17 not
> including the singers...
>
How about the Brian Setzer Orchestra, then?
Big Band comeback was about 95, 96. So that's actually been long enough you
could have another, more ironic, comeback.
The next big trend we have scheduled is transvestites doing Southern Hip
Hop.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rGrqW3nx5HM
Nyx
Peter H. Coffin
> "Peter H. Coffin" <hel...@ninehells.com> wrote in
> news:slrnfc7cab....@abyss.ninehells.com:
>
>> Nine makes a "big band" these days? Glenn Miller Orchestra's got 17 not
>> including the singers...
>>
>
> How about the Brian Setzer Orchestra, then?
THAT may qualify.
> Big Band comeback was about 95, 96. So that's actually been long enough you
> could have another, more ironic, comeback.
Glenn Miller Orchestra's touring this summer. Would being *less* ironic
be some sort of counter-ironic as well, just to fuck with people?
> The next big trend we have scheduled is transvestites doing Southern Hip
> Hop.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=rGrqW3nx5HM
Dude, I haven't even had breakfast yet.
whisky-dave
"Peter H. Coffin" <hel...@ninehells.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:39:47 -0400, Panurge wrote:
>> "vacant...@gmail.com" <vacant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Maybe big band will make a come back...
>>
>> We had that. Remember Big Bad Voodoo Daddy?
>
> Nine makes a "big band" these days? Glenn Miller Orchestra's got 17 not
> including the singers...
>
The LSO has a few players,
http://lso.co.uk/aboutus/abouttheorchestra/players
in fact they've even played stuff written by Queen ;)
Panurge
> > Big Band comeback was about 95, 96. So that's actually been long enough you
> > could have another, more ironic, comeback.
Don't you mean "*even* more ironic"?
>
> Glenn Miller Orchestra's touring this summer. Would being *less* ironic
> be some sort of counter-ironic as well, just to fuck with people?
How else could you be "counter-ironic"?
FWIW, since I think I've finally got my hair band (though of course I'm really
just one-fourth of it), we'll see what I can do. I guess any hair band has a
bit of, well, not irony, but a certain *awareness of its position* about it.
whisky-dave
"Panurge" <pan...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter H. Coffin" <hel...@ninehells.com> wrote:
>
>> > Big Band comeback was about 95, 96. So that's actually been long enough
>> > you
>> > could have another, more ironic, comeback.
>
> Don't you mean "*even* more ironic"?
>>
>> Glenn Miller Orchestra's touring this summer. Would being *less* ironic
>> be some sort of counter-ironic as well, just to fuck with people?
>
> How else could you be "counter-ironic"?
>
> FWIW, since I think I've finally got my hair band (though of course I'm
> really
> just one-fourth of it), we'll see what I can do. I guess any hair band
> has a
> bit of, well, not irony, but a certain *awareness of its position* about
> it.
Will you be playing hair guitar ? ;-)
Calhoun/DJ Kantrip
> Why not? That never stopped it before. Again, the fix is in.
>
True. Honestly my thought is that EBM/Synthpop is gonna be the next one
dragged out. Its about time MTV did their ring around the keyboards again.
Plus with the side project from AFI's Davey Havoc, Blaqk Audio, actually
not being too bad, its gonna get all those Hot Topic kiddies scrambling for
similar stuff probably. I dunno but its an idea that was being kicked
about by a few people in another forum I'm on lately.
Calhoun
Dr. Frank N. Furter
wrote:
If that happens it might have beneficial effects: it will finally show
how little credibility and substance woollygogglehead music has, and
through commercial acceptance the genre may become so unhip that it
will finally stop being played in goth clubs, where it never belonged
in the first place. And, bands like Xymox might stop trying to sell
out to it and get back to making acceptable music again.
Panurge
> Will you be playing hair guitar ? ;-)
:-) Bass, actually, plus probably some keys and some acoustic on one or two
tunes.