alt.gothic.fashion.faq 4/4
Trystan L. Bass
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3.0 Make-Up
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3.1 What are some good make-up brands?
From: AngelsFall
I find that the MAC brand works very well if you want your
make-up to stay on all night and for the next three nights ...
the mascara is lovely... it is very thick and never comes off ...
the eyeliner pencils are fun ... they also never come off and
look very nice ... they smudge very well ... they also have a
liquid eyeliner that you use like water colors (painting them
on with a paint bush) ... it looks ever too nice ...very nice
lines can be done ... (they sell the brushes there).
From: Miz Stewart
I've been using some of that Makeup Forever, and it is fucking
cool as all shit. I got some really nice black lipstick and
"multi-purpose" body paint -- it can be used as fingernail polish
(with a top coat of clear), eyeliner, lip color, hair paint, the
list goes on and on and on. I would recommend it because it comes
in every color of the rainbow, and a few unnatural ones as well.
They have some pretty neat-o metallic stuff too. It is pretty
spendy though, about $15 for lipstick and $18 for body paint.
According to the saleslady, Nordstrom sells it "exclusively."
They have a lot of other stuff too, green and lavender foundation,
funky fake eyelashes, and many other fine wares.
From: Louise Fong
Clinique is good if you have sensitive skin or you don't like
scented cosmetics. The loose powder is good for getting a very
pale look and they also have something called Beyond Shadow,
which is a cream eyeshadow. It layers on much better than
regular pressed powder eyeshadow, and doesn't rub off
(req.'s an eye makeup remover).
From: Cairo
I like the water-based white face by Kryolan. It's professional
stuff and last time I bought it, it was $5.00. Really easy to apply
and since it's water-based, you can thin it out and it's not likely
to clog pores. Check local theatrical supply shops for it. Oh,
one more thing, you should moisturize you skin before and
after application.
From: Emeraldas
Shiseido makes a foundation that makes the skin actually
lighter (temporarily). It's called "whiteness" or something.
Also, Manic Panic makes a good white foundation *and* white
powder. They also make foundation that's blue, yellow,
violet, green, or pink toned, to counterbalance one's skin tone.
They even make white lipstick and eyeshadow!
From: Marla Brunker
There is a type of very light green make-up that is used as an
undercoat for "regular" foundation since a thin layer tends to
even out reddish spots (zits, broken capillaries, etc.). It also
makes one look subtly paler.
From: Trystan L. Bass
Many department store make-up brands are coming out with
varieties of these concealer/foundations. They're designed
to even out the undertones in your skin. Experienced make-up
salespeople will know what color you should get to go with
your skin tone. I know MAC has this stuff, and it looks really
good. Cheapskate that I am, I use Bonnie Bell White White
Concealer either alone or under palest ivory foundation.
From: Mistress Cat
foundation: Estee Lauder's "Lucidity light-diffusing makeup,"
color: porcelain, is the lightest normal foundation I've found.
powder: L'Oreal's "Mattique," color: soft ivory, is practically
white, but just enough tan to be skin tone.
From: Rosaleen Dhu
I've had the best luck with Shiseido Natural Matte. I can't
remember the color code ... just ask the person at the counter
for the lightest one (yes, it's in department stores). It has the
added benefits of being oil free and SPF 8 sunscreen! Pair it
with Shiseido Translucence Powder.
From: max factor
[for dark skin tones] use a foundation/powder only two shades
lighter than your own ... goth is originality, not conformity,
(you don't need to be white). try max factor makeup for a
strikingly flawless finish. line eyes in black (try doing cat
eyes). use mascara or fake lashes for a lush richness. trash
the black lippy, instead line lips with black eyeliner (kohl,
not liquid) then apply a matte burgundy lipstick (try revlon's
colorstay) to heighten cheekbones use a bit of foundation one
or two shades darker than your natural under your makeup.
From: Margaret Rhodes
MAC Lipstick: Cyber, Photo, Viva Glam, Rubine, Dubonnet,
Diva. These are all really dark or deep red colors. MAC
lipsticks rule the world.
StudioFix foundation: C1 and N1 are their lightest colors.
These are matte opaque foundations that come in a compact
and have a powder finish.
Origins: "Bite your Lips" lipstains give a really nice flush to
your lips if you're going for a Victorian Goth look. They also
have really wonderful liquid foundation that also SMELLS really
great ... like honeysuckle.
Chanel: Great lipstick quads in compacts with a lipbrush --
"Berries" are their darkest. These are quite expensive though.
Vamp and Very Vamp lipsticks are extremely dark and of good
quality, although they will set you back $20 each.
Urban Decay: Lots of interesting colors. I like Bruise the most.
More From: Margaret Rhodes
In Soho there is a FACE Stockholm boutique. They have really
neat little pots of iridescent highlighter that can be applied
naturally or heavily, depending on the amount of drama desired.
They are $12 apiece, but were so lovely I bought three: One pure
white, one tinted lavender and one tinted with pink. I've never
seen anything like them and they make a very interesting, dramatic
eyeshadow, but also work well on lips and cheekbones.
This stuff is definitely worth checking out ... it also seems to
be fairly sweat proof and looks nice under club lighting. The
boutique phone number is (212) 334-3900.
From: Gachaman
Try to get your hands on Manic Panic. Raven black eyeshadow
and lipstick are the blackest you can get. Also check out Blood
Red and Black Rose lipsticks. They also have WHITE powder
compacts.
If there is a division of Ultima in your area, their Nakeds
eyeshadow #8 is pretty DAMN black. Best stuff I've used other
than Manic Panic. I think Shiseido (sic) also makes black
eyeshadow, a bit too sparkly for me though. Lancome makes a
pretty good gray for creating a more Morticia Addams look.
The best thing you can do for foundation is to mix your own
custom color. I made mine out of white stage make-up and
Cover Girl ivory foundation. I have a Mediterranean complexion,
so I can't to straight white without looking like a mime. Plain
baby powder is also good to layer over make-up to make it stay
longer and lighten your skin. If you don't want to try your hand
a mixing, look for a Prescriptives counter in your area. They
will custom make a color just for your skin.
Another essential I've found is lipstick darkener, which you
might be able to find at a beauty supply store. It's like a
transparent black for when you want your lipstick just a shade
darker. I use it almost every day.
From: Angela
Another good idea for makeup is white pancake makeup by
Ben Nye ... there are two shades, looks good when applied
correctly (takes practice), and the price is amazingly cheap
when you take into account that Manic Panic white base
(liquid) is over $7.00. In Milwaukee, the pancake base costs
about $7.50 and I've had mine for over 2 yrs.
From: Nightsky
I am not heavily into the Goth, but I do dabble in it. There
are some great cosmetic colors out there that differ from the
ordinary black. There is a lipstick from the Wet N Wild line
-- 517A I believe it is -- that looks like a regular metallic
bronze in the tube, but when you put it on, looks more like
a pewter with just a twinge of brown in it. Very cool. This
is a cheaper brand, so if you have trouble getting the lipstick
to stay on, use powder between layers of it. Try some sheer
opal nail enamel, like Nina French Opal, over your black for
something different. Try mixing black with silver polish --
just mix it a little bit, for kind of a marbly effect. (Actually,
you can do this with any color.) Just pour a little out of each
color onto a paper plate, dixie cup, or the like, and play around
with it. Don't forget to clean your brushes. Also, if you're
in the southern Massachusetts area, try the Hot Topic shop
at the Emerald Square Mall in North Attleboro. They carry
Urban Decay cosmetics, plus have their own line -- it's called
Morbid Makeup for the Living. Much like Urban Decay, but a
little easier on the wallet. Has a very cool color selection.
This shop is on the first floor of the mall.
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3.2 What are some good eyeliners?
From: Blk0rchid
I would recommend Almay eyeliner. It has major staying
power (16 hours), and I find it to be less harsh on the ol'
contacts than many of the other brands.
From: brendan
i use pretty much the cheapest available black liquid eyeliner,
artmatic, i think it's called. it stays on no matter how much you
sweat while dancing, and it doesn't run smeary around the eyes.
to get it off you pretty much have to use a cold cream or a q-tip
with warm water on it though.
From: Heidi Evans
I use Maybelline Lineworks. It looks great, but occasionally
has to be run under a tap if it gets clogged with eyeshadow.
It also costs $4.50 a tube, which seems pricey to me...
From: Malkavian
My personal fave eyeliner so far is the L'Oreal Superliner.
The felt-pen-like brush is much easier to use than bristle
brushes, and the liner is one of the best i've seen.
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3.3 What are some good lipsticks?
From: emyly
wet 'n wild -- i just discovered their halloween "fantasy
makers" line, with three shades of black lipstick (creme,
shimmer, pearl) and a black liquid lip color, blue lipstick,
glittery face and body paints...
From: Jillian Sutter
I went and got a tube of the Vamp lipstick. Great color, stays
on well...and Chanel uses rose oil in their lipsticks, so they
smell really neat.
From: Mooncrow
The best black lipstick I ever used was Almay's liquid black
eyeliner! Stays on until you take it off, but does tend to make
your lips feel (but not look) dried-up. Great if you like matte
black lips.
From: Verotika
I always found that MAC Media, with some black liner works
wonderfully. Plus, unlike other lipsticks, the media stays put
for hours (seriously).
From: Christabel La Motte
For black lipstick -- if you're on a budget, haunt drugstores
and Halloween shops: the Fantasy Makers black (plain
creme formula) is, well, decent for 99 cents. If you have a bit
more money to blow, Make Up Forever makes a lovely creamy
opaque black. I've also found a brand called "Lip Krayon"
(lipstick in pencil form, surprisingly creamy for the type) that
makes a fairly opaque black: however, it doesn't seem to last
as long, and the brand doesn't seem to be very well distributed.
If you're not dead-set on true black, a few other things to
consider: Black Opal, "Ebony Wine." A lovely, near-black purple
shade, about six bucks.
Chanel, "Rouge Noir" a.k.a. "Vamp" (the ORIGINAL stuff, not
Metallic Vamp or Very Vamp or the Vamp quads). If anyone
out there HASN'T seen this yet, it's a VERY dark oxblood shade.
Line your lips with a black kohl pencil instead of the Vamp
lipliner for a darker look. If you have to ask how much it costs,
believe me, you DON'T want to know... *sigh*
Wet 'n' Wild/Fantasy Makers, "Blackest Red." A Vamp knockoff.
OK, so it doesn't smell or taste or feel as nice as the Chanel, or
come in a pretty tube. For 99 cents, what do you expect? At
least it LOOKS good.
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3.4 What are some good black nail polishes?
From: Estelle
I have this nail polish called "Midnight" by Estee Lauder. It's
really pricey.. I don't remember how much it cost (probably
blocked it out of my memory), but it gives this lovely dark
purple effect. It is a dark.. dark purple that looks black from
afar, and to really get that dried blood affect you have to apply
about two thick coats. If you got the dough, and want a high
quality nail polish.. then go get some 'cause I *love* it and think
it's worth every penny.
From: Walter Keighron
My absolute favorite black polish is a shade called Black on
Black, manufactured by Mirage cosmetics under the brand name
Sinful. Also, even Wet n' Wild stays on a good long time
without chipping if you make sure nails are clean, buffed if
you have the time, and you apply a good base coat (as well as
top coat). Any old Revlon or Sally Hansen base works quite
well. It's really not as much work as it sounds. The polish
lasts ten times longer at least.
From: Sande
If you're in L.A. area, try NINA and look fer it in Whittier.
If you're in Boston, try Topstone Industries Professional
BLACK nail polish and look for it at Oona's (Newbury St.,
Hahvahd Sq.) $3.
From: melissa
I went out to get some Revlon Vixen polish, which is such a
lovely blood-red. I also spotted some cheapo-but-good Brucchi
polish in Silver Foil. Try this:
Put on a few coats of the Vixen (or other suitably bloody
shade). Then add a VERY thin coat of Silver Foil (or other
silver polish), leaving some of the red edges showing through.
You will look like you used your stainless steel nails to
eviscerate something and didn't clean up well enough. As
the silver wears down, the look gets more gruesome.
From: mocat
Find some deep purple nail polish, any brand (preferably
glittery), make sure it's a bright color, not pastel, but very
noticeable. Pile it on until you get a nice even coat of it, then
put a very thin coating of the cheapy wet-n-wild black on it, and
finish it off with a protective coating. Ends up looking better
than Vixen (or a similar color), I've had people come up to me and
ask me whose throat i ripped out recently. :) Also I kind of think
that painting your nails really bright pink and streaking it with a
good thick black nail polish looks really neat.
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4.0 Other Resources
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4.1 What other gothic fashion resources exist
on the World Wide Web?
alt.clothing.lingerie FAQ -- will answer all your questions
about corsets, among other things
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~matt/acl/
alt.fashion FAQ -- about fashion in general, has a detailed
hair-coloring FAQ, lists cosmetic company addresses and
phone numbers, links to fashion web sites, etc.
http://www.mindspring.com/~jstoner/alt.fashion/
alt.gothic FAQ -- basic goth info., plus some fashion stuff
ftp.maths.tcd.ie/pub/music/gothic/gothic-faq
http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Text/gothic-faq.html
alt.gothic.arts-and-crafts -- archived tips and suggestions from
a.g.f. for making pretty little goth things for around the house
http://www.haas.berkeley.edu/~tmiller/aga-a-c.htm
alt.sex.fetish.fashion FAQ -- extensive suppliers lists (England,
Europe & Far East, North America) including resources for
leather, bondage, PVC, corsets, shoes, toys
http://login.dknet.dk:80/~pg/fetish/
Dark Side of the Web -- probably all the gothic web links you'll
ever need, hundreds of 'em, updated frequently
http://www.cascade.net/darkweb.html
Dye It Black FAQ -- pretty good instructions for dying your
clothes black, plus dye resources and books
http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/b.rosenberg/goth/dye.faq.html
Greater Bay Area Costumer's Guild Home Page -- has a good
list of historical clothing and costume links
http://www.toreadors.com/costume/
Make-up Tips for the Bleak -- clever suggestions on how to look
oh-so-gothically pale and lovely
http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Text/makeup.html
Six Feet Under -- a clever do-it-yourself guide to gothic fashion,
for aspiring SewingGoths, plus archived info. from a.g.f.
http://www.haas.berkeley.edu/~tmiller/sixfeet.htm
Take a Bite -- gothic e-zine with lots of fashion tips, both
silly and serious
ftp.maths.tcd.ie/pub/music/gothic/TAB
http://www.crg.cs.nott.ac.uk/~rji/Gothic/TAB/tab.html
Vampyre Stores -- a small, yet international, listing of gothic
clothing and vampire oriented stores
http://www.vampyre.wis.net//vampyre/shops.html
Wicked Hair Dying Page -- tips for dying hair unnatural colors
and reviews of coloring products
http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~mizraith/dyeing.html
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5.0 Credits and Disclaimer
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CREDITS:
Any entry not followed by a name in brackets or preceded by
a name was written by Trystan L. Bass (tr...@toreadors.com).
The following people contributed information to this FAQ,
either directly or by posting to alt.gothic.fashion and
alt.gothic. I did not get express permission from all of
these people to reprint their words. If anyone wishes to
be deleted, please contact me and you will be deleted in
the next revision. Usually *several months* pass between
revisions, so be patient.
A Special Thanks to these Contributors who just keep
sending me stuff or posting really great things on the net!:
Cairo
Christabel La Motte
Jillian Sutter
Lorelle Anderson
Margaret Rhodes
All the Other Great Contributors:
Andrew Clegg, Angela, AngelsFall, Bitsy, Blk0rchid, blue girl,
brendan, Charles Gray, comet, crimson heart, Dark Dragon, Darren Grant,
dejavu, Demonica Del Rio, dogcow, Elaine Park, Emeraldas, emyly,
Erhnam Djinn, Estelle, evoL, feline, Gachaman, Gnat Hammerstrom,
GothGate, Hardrock, Heidi Evans, Ilen Zazueta-Audirac, Inge
Formenti, insijma, Jane Shaw, Jenn, jenni, joolz, JTudway, Julia,
Julie Eisenhardt, Juliet Wisner, Lacrima, Lady Bathory, Lana
Michelle, Louise Fong, M. Giordan, M. V. Webe, Malkavian, Marla
Brunker, max factor, melissa, Michael Saint, Mike Boning, Mistress Cat,
Miz Stewart, mocat, moonbb8, Mooncrow, Morganna, Nightsky, Nikki,
Niniane, Norman Padilla, Nyghtfall, otherguy, Otterley, platypus,
Rhiannon, Rosaleen Dhu, Sande, Scary Gary, ShadowFox, Talone
Feyehomme, Thom, Velvtnoir, Verotika, Walter Keighron, Waz
from Oz, Wozzeck, Wraatha, Zoe
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might be totally inaccurate, inappropriate, misguided, or just
plain silly and foolish. I take no responsibility for the veracity
of any information here, although I did try to check stuff out
first. As always, buyer beware, look before you leap, etc. And
remember, folks, this is a work in progress!
--Trystan L. Bass (tr...@toreadors.com)
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