Hollywood women
Linda Jocelyn
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> We watched this programme on TV last night and I hope I'm not being
> rude when I say that we were absolutely staggered at the amount of
> make up all of them were wearing. It really did have that 'put on
> with a trowel' appearance. And their hair was so stiff and unnatural -
> it never moved!
> Most of them were associated with the film world and theatre people
> can sometimes feel 'naked' without all the slap on! Maybe that
> explains it. But it did make me wonder if women in USA generally tend
> to wear more make up than European women do - not to that degree,
> necessarily! - and if that's why I've seen a few people comment that
> e.g. Mette-Marit looks pale and washed out to them?
> --
> Sacha
A friend of mine saw the late Princess of Wales when she and Charles first
came to Australia and I remember her commenting on just how much make up
that Diana had on.
Linda
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loki
> looked particularly heavily made up, except on one or two mistaken
> occasions but these women were so heavily plastered, it was as if we
> were looking at paintings - one could see the actual lines drawn by
> eyes pencils, eyebrow pencils, eyeshadows, blusher, lipliner etc.
> There was no blending of lines, colours.
> --
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
Well, judging by what I see daily in the business world here and what
I have seen on trips to the UK, I'd say that American women do wear
more makeup. I know that when I wore what was a normal amount
to me, that I felt overly made up when I was in the UK and I don't
wear a lot of makeup by US standards and what I do wear is very
natural.
It's not just amounts though, it's colors. The same holds for clothing.
I noticed that, for business anyway, colors there are more subdued. My
bright blue, bright teal and bright purple suits which all felt perfectly
normal here were garish there. Pastels that feel girlish here felt fine
there.
The other differences seemed to be in manicures and pedicures. They
are becoming more popular there than they were on my first visit
but artificial nails are normal here and not nearly so much so there. The
choices of polish are different as well.
Oh, and hair is different. It's cut differently and more "wash and wear"
there judging from appearances. Spending time each morning, doing
a blow dry and using a curling iron didn't seem to be on the agenda
of any of the women I saw. They all looked lovely, but far more
natural than we do here.
Loki
brit
: It's not just amounts though, it's colors. The same holds for clothing.
:
: I noticed that, for business anyway, colors there are more subdued. My
: bright blue, bright teal and bright purple suits which all felt perfectly
: normal here were garish there. Pastels that feel girlish here felt fine
: there.
:
: The other differences seemed to be in manicures and pedicures. They
: are becoming more popular there than they were on my first visit
: but artificial nails are normal here and not nearly so much so there. The
: choices of polish are different as well.
:
:
: Loki
A South African friend of mine who works in a big London Hotel, said they
can spot the older American woman a mile off, way before they speak, because
of the artificial nails, shiny 'shell' suits,(or some other flashy attire
with rhinestones attached!!) and sneakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brit
loki
> A South African friend of mine who works in a big London Hotel, said they
> can spot the older American woman a mile off, way before they speak,
because
> of the artificial nails, shiny 'shell' suits,(or some other flashy attire
> with rhinestones attached!!) and sneakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not sure what you mean by "shell" suits. Do you mean those awful warm up
thingies that a certain generation wears?
Fortunately, I stopped the artificial nail thing early on due to a fungus
infection. These days it's my own nails and a pale, sheer pink on them if
anything and I wear them fashionably short. <grin>
I know what you mean though. It dates and ages a woman too. Oh, and lot's
and lot's of gold jewelry is generally present.
Loki
Wull
accused of female bashing. I am assuming it is ok when it
is one of your own.
Wull
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HSanders
Sacha, jump write in and tell everyone how long you wear your nails and what
color you polish them.
Hal
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brit
> I liked the 'look'of the nails..(mine were never that hideously long
anyway) but when I stopped having them done..(all that time in the nail
salon nearly drove me insane!!!)..my nails underneath were totally
wrecked..I stopped the acrylic over two years ago, and my nails are still
weak..and break off when they get a white bit on the top!! Bloody
annoying!!!
brit
yaffaDina1
> If I had said what brit and loki are saying I would be
> accused of female bashing. I am assuming it is ok when it
> is one of your own.
>
> Wull
Well, maybe -- but better safe than sorry, eh Wull?
yD
brit
. Big hair is absolutely right out and is in
> fact, considered a bit laughable.
> The women we saw on telly were immensely smart and quite beautifully
> turned out, very stylish clothes but to me, the colours were
> over-bright. BUT they're living in a much warmer climate and I think
> that influences such things a lot.
> Your explanations go a long way to helping me understand why what I
> see as normal European fashion is considered a bit dreary and too
> understated in the eyes of American women.
> --
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
You just have to compare Brit TV with American TV,especially the
SOAPS>>(your favourite Sacha!!! haha) The women on Days or Hospital or
Passions..(UGH!!) rarely are seen without makeup or hair done..wheras check
out Corrie or EE and you'll see lots of un madeup faces, and scraggy
hairdos..
I'm not saying one is better than the other, but I do think Brit soaps are
more REAL! Not everyone is rich, not evryone is ggodlooking, and not
everyone is model slim....
brit
Susan Cohen
Linda Jocelyn wrote:
When you are prepared to be photographed all the time,
you do end up wearing more make-up than not.
I think this is one of the reasons Camilla always come
across as "plain", because she seems to wear no make-up
whatsoever.
SusanC
Susan Cohen
HSanders wrote:
> Ok, Wull, if you feel so left out of the conversation among Loki, Brit and
> Sacha, jump write in and tell everyone how long you wear your nails and what
> color you polish them.
>
> Hal
<sarcasm/smart-alec alert>
I thought we were American bashing?
SusanC, who knows damned well we're only discussing
specific women who dress as described, not women in general
Susan Cohen
Sacha wrote:
> Interesting those are your observations and I think they're accurate
> ones. Business wear here seems to be black, grey with a touch of
> colour here
Ah, but this is the result of a different cultural differnce!
Women have beenin the marketplace longer over here.
In the 70's, "Dress for Success" books (yes, I have one - it's
an invaluable peice of costume history) all counselled navy,
bue, grey, with only a touch of color - all of which was
supposed to let women blend in, but be non-threatening.
There were even specific instructions for "cute" women:
wear glasses, severe cut coats... And tall women had to
disobey half the rules set out for other women, because we
were already too imposing for the male business world.
So I guess the book is an invaluable piece of *social* history....
> and there, manicures are nothing like as popular as they
> are in USA. I've read of women in USA getting two or three a week - I
> know women who haven't had one in 3 years!
I've had exactly one manicure in my life, and it was sloppy,
unprofessional and I could never see the value in them in the
first place. But I was getting married, and figured I wouldn't
have time to do my own nails.
Little did I know that it would take me more time to go to the
d----- salon, get it done - and then several hours to re-do it
when she a) didn't do it right b) sent me out with wet nails so
the other ones got messed up. Luckily, we hadn't paid her yet.
It's cheaper to buy several bottles of polish which will last you
for *months* than it is to get one manicure which won't even
last two weeks. Okay, so I'm lucky, I have nicely shaped nails.
(How's *that* for a rant??)
> And yes, the hair is more
> 'wash and wear' here. Big hair is absolutely right out and is in
> fact, considered a bit laughable.
Hmm. I thought it was "out" here as well, with the drowned-cat look
of straight, straight hair being in? (The last "in" look was the "combed
with an egg-beater" look that I detested)
> The women we saw on telly were immensely smart and quite beautifully
> turned out, very stylish clothes but to me, the colours were
> over-bright. BUT they're living in a much warmer climate and I think
> that influences such things a lot.
> Your explanations go a long way to helping me understand why what I
> see as normal European fashion is considered a bit dreary and too
> understated in the eyes of American women.
> --
> Sacha
But why is it that European runways always look like freak shows?
SusanC
HSanders
Hal
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JFlexer
>
>
> Sacha wrote:
<SNIP>
>
> > And yes, the hair is more
> > 'wash and wear' here. Big hair is absolutely right out and is in
> > fact, considered a bit laughable.
>
> Hmm. I thought it was "out" here as well, with the drowned-cat look
> of straight, straight hair being in? (The last "in" look was the "combed
> with an egg-beater" look that I detested)
<snip>
> But why is it that European runways always look like freak shows?
>
> SusanC
And don't forget the
"grab-random-bunches-of-hair-and-put-them-in-a-barrette/clip" look...
gawd-awful...
Martha Tassi
"Sacha" <sa...@nospamgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> We watched this programme on TV last night and I hope I'm not being
> rude when I say that we were absolutely staggered at the amount of
> make up all of them were wearing. It really did have that 'put on
> with a trowel' appearance. And their hair was so stiff and unnatural -
> it never moved!
> Most of them were associated with the film world and theatre people
> can sometimes feel 'naked' without all the slap on! Maybe that
> explains it. But it did make me wonder if women in USA generally tend
> to wear more make up than European women do - not to that degree,
> necessarily! - and if that's why I've seen a few people comment that
> e.g. Mette-Marit looks pale and washed out to them?
> --
> Sacha
==========
She doesn't just look washed out, she looks undone. I prefer a more natural
look, but not so "natural" it looks like the person went to no effort
whatsoever.
That being said, I get my nails done every three weeks (pink & whites), my
hair every six weeks (trim, color and highlights), wear makeup every day and
for jewelry wear a wedding ring, a watch and small earrings.
-Martha
==========
Gary Holtzman
> Sacha wrote:
>
> > Interesting those are your observations and I think they're accurate
> > ones. Business wear here seems to be black, grey with a touch of
> > colour here
>
> Ah, but this is the result of a different cultural differnce!
> Women have beenin the marketplace longer over here.
> In the 70's, "Dress for Success" books (yes, I have one - it's
> an invaluable peice of costume history) all counselled navy,
> bue, grey, with only a touch of color - all of which was
> supposed to let women blend in, but be non-threatening.
But of course, standards for business dress among US men have changed
considerably since then as well; much more bright colors, "business casual"
outfits, etc. All of this most regrettable, and not limited by gender, in my
reactionary opinion...
--
Gary Holtzman
-------------------- http://NewsReader.Com/ --------------------
Martha Tassi
> nobody would be seen dead in, yes. A lot of gold jewellery and a deep
> tan are just SO not the thing and as to fingernails, long ones are
> certainly worn by plenty of people but are not 'posh'. ;-) The, er,
> posh length, is such that if you hold your palm towards you, you can
> barely/just see the tips of your finger nails.
> The customs of different countries are extremely interesting and they
> have manifested themselves in dress and fashion for centuries.
> --
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
========
I suppose those of us who are naturally tan will never be posh. sigh.
-Martha
========
loki
>
> To us, shell suits are those sort of nylon track suit thingies that
> nobody would be seen dead in, yes. A lot of gold jewellery and a deep
> tan are just SO not the thing and as to fingernails, long ones are
> certainly worn by plenty of people but are not 'posh'. ;-) The, er,
> posh length, is such that if you hold your palm towards you, you can
> barely/just see the tips of your finger nails.
> The customs of different countries are extremely interesting and they
> have manifested themselves in dress and fashion for centuries.
Well, the track suits, the gold jewelry and the long, artificial nails are
*not* posh here either but they are very popular. <sigh>
Loki
Linda Jocelyn
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:25:36 GMT, "Martha Tassi" <mta...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Sacha" <sa...@nospamgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:h9ol9ukmk0511pvla...@4ax.com...
> >> We watched this programme on TV last night and I hope I'm not being
> >> rude when I say that we were absolutely staggered at the amount of
> >> make up all of them were wearing. It really did have that 'put on
> >> with a trowel' appearance. And their hair was so stiff and unnatural -
> >> it never moved!
> >> Most of them were associated with the film world and theatre people
> >> can sometimes feel 'naked' without all the slap on! Maybe that
> >> explains it. But it did make me wonder if women in USA generally tend
> >> to wear more make up than European women do - not to that degree,
> >> necessarily! - and if that's why I've seen a few people comment that
> >> e.g. Mette-Marit looks pale and washed out to them?
> >> --
> >> Sacha
> >> (remove spamtrap)
> >
> >
> >==========
> >
> >She doesn't just look washed out, she looks undone. I prefer a more
natural
> >look, but not so "natural" it looks like the person went to no effort
> >whatsoever.
>
> It can sort of take someone over, if they're as pale as she is.
> >
> >That being said, I get my nails done every three weeks (pink & whites),
my
> >hair every six weeks (trim, color and highlights), wear makeup every day
and
> >for jewelry wear a wedding ring, a watch and small earrings.
> >
> >-Martha
> >
>
> anything to their hair would do as you do, every 6 weeks or so and my
> daily jewellery is as you describe. ;-)
> --
> Sacha
Hairdressers here in Australia recommend having your hair cut every six
weeks. Also, I just wear a watch, gold ear rings (two in each ear) and a
thin gold necklace. I'm afraid that I am a bit slack with the makeup and
only wear it on special occasions (eg dates:-)).
Linda
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Martha Tassi
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:25:36 GMT, "Martha Tassi" <mta...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >news:h9ol9ukmk0511pvla...@4ax.com...
> >> We watched this programme on TV last night and I hope I'm not being
> >> rude when I say that we were absolutely staggered at the amount of
> >> make up all of them were wearing. It really did have that 'put on
> >> with a trowel' appearance. And their hair was so stiff and unnatural -
> >> it never moved!
> >> Most of them were associated with the film world and theatre people
> >> can sometimes feel 'naked' without all the slap on! Maybe that
> >> explains it. But it did make me wonder if women in USA generally tend
> >> to wear more make up than European women do - not to that degree,
> >> necessarily! - and if that's why I've seen a few people comment that
> >> e.g. Mette-Marit looks pale and washed out to them?
> >> --
> >> Sacha
> >> (remove spamtrap)
> >
> >
> >==========
> >
> >She doesn't just look washed out, she looks undone. I prefer a more
natural
> >look, but not so "natural" it looks like the person went to no effort
> >whatsoever.
>
> It can sort of take someone over, if they're as pale as she is.
> >
my
> >hair every six weeks (trim, color and highlights), wear makeup every day
and
> >for jewelry wear a wedding ring, a watch and small earrings.
> >
> >-Martha
> >
>
> anything to their hair would do as you do, every 6 weeks or so and my
> daily jewellery is as you describe. ;-)
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
==========
That's like a French manicure - pink & white being the natural nail colors.
-Martha
==========
C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring
> > Sacha wrote:
> >
> > But it did make me wonder if women in USA generally tend
> > to wear more make up than European women do - not to
> > that degree, necessarily!
I think that American women do wear more make-up than our
European counter-parts. When I was in Germany, German
friends expressed some surprise that I wasn't wearing what
they called the "war paint" (like American Indians) they'd come
to associate with American women and make-up.
For some reason, some seem to think it fashionable to wear
what I associate with "theatre make-up." I am reminded of a
picture taken of the actress Joan Collins when she was in the
midst of divorcing Boy Toy Husband Number Four. She
was sitting in the courtroom, holding a rose to her nose and
looking pensive. Her make-up, perhaps suitable for a photo
shoot or filming, was *scary*. She looked like a caricature.
> > and if that's why I've seen a few people comment that
> > e.g. Mette-Marit looks pale and washed out to them?
There is also the fashion of "heroin chic," where the intent
is to appear ghostly white. Personally, I think it makes people
look moribund and/or tubercular. Mette-Marit seems to have
naturally pale and translucent skin, but it washes out in the
glare of klieg lights and the barrage of camera lights flashing.
> Linda wrote:
>
> A friend of mine saw the late Princess of Wales when she
> and Charles first came to Australia and I remember her
> commenting on just how much make up that Diana had on.
PJ Jephson observed in his book "Shadows of a Princess" that
the late Princess of Wales' famed "cream and rose complexion"
was not as perfect close-up as it appeared. It was not a
bitchy comment, just an observation. He said she went about
her duties in ghastly heat sometimes, the make-up just pouring
off her, and never complained.
From what I understand from other sources, the late Princess
had rosacea, a skin condition that causes facial skin to appear
flushed (as if the person is constantly blushing) sunburned or
even like acne. Of course, there were times when Diana *was*
sunburned, blushing or had an inconvenient pimple aside from
rosacea. Diana may have attempted to cover up her rosacea
with heavy make-up... people who have rosacea often do.
Diana was being constantly observed and photographed - she
would have naturally wanted to look her best, and rosacea
would have made her skin appear blotchy, chapped and "broken
out."
My younger sister, who adored Diana, was thrilled to learn
she had rosacea, as she does, too. There are medicines and
creams used to treat rosacea, but it's unpleasant to have.
~ C.
--
--
- CEM-L-G
GOD BLESS AMERICA and ALL those who PROTECT and DEFEND her!
C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring
>
> Oh, not at all! One of my daughters would kill to be like that. ;-)
> She has extremely fair skin and it's very hard for her to tan without
> burning. The other has olive-y Med. type skin and goes the most
> gorgeous golden colour.
> What is 'common' nowadays is that really baked mahogany skin that
> people used to aspire to in the 60s, particularly. I think it's
> because we're so much more health aware about skin cancer now.
Unless these people have Mediterranean bloodlines, too much sun
on fair skin, while it may end up becoming darker, also tends to
get more "leathery." This not to say us Med types can't get leathery,
either... ;)
> Whenever I see pictures of American women they all seem to be that
> lovely golden tan, too.
The wonders of photo retouching. According to the magazines, not
only do all women have flawless skin of different shades, but
often incredibly long limbs and tiny waists... I have a friend who
worked in magazines in New York who said that she personally
witnessed Helen Gurley Brown, "with her own delicate little hand"
lengthen a model's legs in a photograph.
> I know we're all supposed to wear Factor 320 every day of the year
> but there's no doubt some degree of tanning makes you *feel*
> better. ;-)
It certainly makes me feel better. I am of the school that, due to
genes, etc usw, I am going to look like what I am going to look
like, barring tragedy or misfortune. And I'd rather live life than
sit in the dark, eating granola and having colonics, in an attempt
to look forever fifteen.
MOMA SHARP
I wouldn't say that Tammy Faye Baker -----represents the average American
women...What I thought looked strange in England was the mahogany red some
women dyed their hair.
Jean Sue Libkind
>
>-Martha
>
>>
Maybe.... but also deeply resented by some of us. I am like fine wine: I can be
white or I can be red.
+=+=+=
jea...@bookschlepper.com
RCLOVELY
>sit in the dark, eating granola and having colonics, in an attempt
>to look forever fifteen.
>
Fifteen! hell, I would just like to look fourty again!
RC
C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring
> > Candace wrote:
> >
> > And I'd rather live life than sit in the dark, eating granola and
> > having colonics, in an attempt to look forever fifteen.
> RCLovely wrote:
>
> Fifteen! Hell, I would just like to look forty again!
Oh, I've looooooong passed fifteen (twenty years ago, to
be exact ;) and haven't looked fifteen since I was twenty.
There's something to be said for women who are what they are,
and take what Nature has given them and "keep a shine on it."
Nothing is worse than the sight of a woman determined NOT to
age gracefully. It's one thing, like I said, to "keep a shine" on
what one has, or *conservatively* keep things discreetly "in
check."
However, facial skin surgically tugged so tightly that it appears
there may be a top-knot of skin at the back of the head, on a
mature woman wearing an outfit that Britney Spears shouldn't
wear... just ick. I have seen women who look like it might take
surgical intervention just to be able to *blink*.
Age has nothing to do with beauty. Catherine Denueve is still
outrageously gorgeous, and she is in her late-fifties. I imagine
she'll always be outrageously gorgeous, even when she is in
her nineties. Something tells me Ms Denueve has smoked (or
has been around plenty of people who have) has been known
to eat an éclair and has worn a bikini on a beach not slathered
in SPF 400 at some point in her lifetime. Vive la femme! :)
Tom
laura mercier did dianas makeup when she was in nyc for the dresses
preview and said that she had flawless skin and it was amazingly
youthful for her 36 years. she didnt drink or smoke and the only
damage she did to her skin (beside the bulimia) was her love of the
sun but that wouldnt have shown up until at least 45. during the
height of her illness her skin would have appeared sallow and she
probably compensated with a lot of foundation.
Tina Kramer
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:34:37 -0600, "C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring"
> <walkuere@hanging_out_in_Walhalla.de> wrote:
>
> >> Sacha wrote:
SNIP
> OTOH, tonight we saw Celine Dion on the Michael Parkinson show and she
> had that sort of tan. It's the first time I've seen her 'in the flesh
> on telly'. ;-)) Now - she too, had a lot of make up on but I
> supposed that was her 'performing make up'.
> You mentioned Joan Collins in an earlier post and I read an article
> just very recently in which the writer remarked that Joan's make up is
> definitely for the photographers because up close, it's well above
> what anyone would usually wear.
> >
> >> I know we're all supposed to wear Factor 320 every day of the year
> >> but there's no doubt some degree of tanning makes you *feel*
> >> better. ;-)
> >
> >It certainly makes me feel better. I am of the school that, due to
> >genes, etc usw, I am going to look like what I am going to look
> >like, barring tragedy or misfortune. And I'd rather live life than
> >sit in the dark, eating granola and having colonics, in an attempt
> >to look forever fifteen.
> >
> >~ C.
>
> Bingo!
> --
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
I once watched an afternoon talk show which was about the beauty secrets of
"ageless" stars. Among the guests were Ali MacGraw and Joan Collins.
MacGraw said she kept her youthful complexion by never wearing makeup except
if she had to. Collins said that wearing a lot of makeup helped keep her
complexion good since it kept her exposure to the sun down.
Tina
Susan Cohen
HSanders wrote:
> Susan: I believe you intended to reply to Wull not to my post as it appears.
It was merely a comment, but certainly not aimed at you, no.
Susan
Susan Cohen
Sacha wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:18:49 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >HSanders wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, Wull, if you feel so left out of the conversation among Loki, Brit and
> >> Sacha, jump write in and tell everyone how long you wear your nails and what
> >> color you polish them.
> >>
> >> Hal
> >
> ><sarcasm/smart-alec alert>
> >I thought we were American bashing?
> >
> >SusanC, who knows damned well we're only discussing
> >specific women who dress as described, not women in general
> >
> <snip>
>
> American bashing? Good grief, I really do hope not. That was not my
> intention at all.
Of course - that's why I said "smart-alec/sarcasm alert".
I knew that.
I knew that as well as I knew that we weren't "woman bashing" either
> I'm just trying to feed my curiosity!
I know!!
SusanC
>
> --
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
Susan Cohen
"C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring" wrote:
> > Sacha wrote:
> >
> > Oh, not at all! One of my daughters would kill to be like that. ;-)
> > She has extremely fair skin and it's very hard for her to tan without
> > burning. The other has olive-y Med. type skin and goes the most
> > gorgeous golden colour.
> > What is 'common' nowadays is that really baked mahogany skin that
> > people used to aspire to in the 60s, particularly. I think it's
> > because we're so much more health aware about skin cancer now.
>
> Unless these people have Mediterranean bloodlines, too much sun
> on fair skin, while it may end up becoming darker, also tends to
> get more "leathery."
Some of us just get sun-poisoning.
> This not to say us Med types can't get leathery,
> either... ;)
>
> > Whenever I see pictures of American women they all seem to be that
> > lovely golden tan, too.
>
> The wonders of photo retouching. According to the magazines, not
> only do all women have flawless skin of different shades, but
> often incredibly long limbs and tiny waists... I have a friend who
> worked in magazines in New York who said that she personally
> witnessed Helen Gurley Brown, "with her own delicate little hand"
> lengthen a model's legs in a photograph.
I saw a program with a segment onjust how they do all that.
Sickening. The only thing worse is to see them take chain-saws
to the department-store mennquins. Just too symbolic.
> > I know we're all supposed to wear Factor 320 every day of the year
> > but there's no doubt some degree of tanning makes you *feel*
> > better. ;-)
>
> It certainly makes me feel better. I am of the school that, due to
> genes, etc usw, I am going to look like what I am going to look
> like, barring tragedy or misfortune. And I'd rather live life than
> sit in the dark, eating granola and having colonics, in an attempt
> to look forever fifteen.
I used to have a doctor who would constantly lecture me about sun,
and why couldn't I go to Hawaii for a few weeks (I nearly made a
crack about his fees at that point), and in the end, had to give him
a lesson about Ireland and the bogs....
Tanning is a chore and waste for me - SPF 30 is my friend.
SusanC
Susan Cohen
loki wrote:
I've always been very lucky that I could never find any long enough
to fit me, because they are tacky, flashy and, in tropical colors, I
probably wouldn't wear anything else (-: Of course, when they were
in fashion, they were too expensive. Now that they are out of fashion,
I can't find them anyway. So everyone can breathe a sigh of relief.
SusanC
Susan Cohen
Sacha wrote:
> Most of the female friends I have are into gardening and frankly,
> there's just no point in having an expensive manicure if you spend a
> lot of your time halfway up your wrists in mud. And no, you can't
> wear gloves and really *get down* to it!
Ah. I have to wear gloves, as my gardening consists entirely of roses.
SusanC
Candide
The only time my hands touch water glove-less is for personal hygiene! *LOL* I
own more gloves for various purposes than Hyacinth Bucket! Used to try
gardening sans gloves,but those nicks and scrapes caused havoc with my hands,so
now it's back to gloves.
Speaking of gloves,is it still the fashion on "the other side of the pond" for
ladies to wear gloves and hats when going out/into town?
Although it is said the skin on a woman's bosom and décolletage is another great
indicator. Nothing is more bizarre looking than some Park Avenue matron with
facial skin pulled tighter than a drum and then a leathery neck and bosom that
looks like lizard skin.
Saw some snaps of Joan Collins taken when she was her for Liz's wedding. Someone
really ought to tell her Dynasty is long over and she ought to put aside the
wigs,heavy make-up,etc and just accept she is not the hottest thing in shoe
leather anymore.
Hollywood women do not have a monopoly on strange looks as they try to defeat
Mr. Gravity. One should see some of the creatures on Park,Madison and Fifth
avenues in New York City. Walking skeletons with either Jackie O bouffant
hair,or long manes of flowing hair (freshly blown dry each morning of course).
Facial skin pulled so taut its almost transparent. Cannot make certain facial
expressions due to Botox injections around their eyes and forehead. Lips!
Don't get me started on those lips! They look like someone took a cricket
mallet and whacked them in the face.
Add all of the above to the fact these women are size 0,1,2 and 4's (with fours
being considered fat). It's heartbreaking to see some dowager laden down with
the latest Chanel creation trying to stand up right and walk when she weighs all
of 100lb or so. Gangly knees,skinny legs, big heads on stick bodies. It's just
too scary.
Candide
Susan Cohen
Candide wrote:
> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@hers.com> wrote in message
> news:3C9D3F40...@hers.com...
> >
> >
> > Sacha wrote:
> >
> > > Most of the female friends I have are into gardening and frankly,
> > > there's just no point in having an expensive manicure if you spend a
> > > lot of your time halfway up your wrists in mud. And no, you can't
> > > wear gloves and really *get down* to it!
> >
> > Ah. I have to wear gloves, as my gardening consists entirely of roses.
> >
> > SusanC
> ++++++++++++++++++++
> The only time my hands touch water glove-less is for personal hygiene! *LOL* I
> own more gloves for various purposes than Hyacinth Bucket! Used to try
> gardening sans gloves,but those nicks and scrapes caused havoc with my hands,so
> now it's back to gloves.
>
> Speaking of gloves,is it still the fashion on "the other side of the pond" for
> ladies to wear gloves and hats when going out/into town?
Which other side? The US side or the British side?
In the US, I don't see anyone wearing gloves but
prom girls.
> Although it is said the skin on a woman's bosom and décolletage is another great
> indicator. Nothing is more bizarre looking than some Park Avenue matron with
> facial skin pulled tighter than a drum and then a leathery neck and bosom that
> looks like lizard skin.
The neck. The neck is the giveaway.
SusanC
Penny
"Linda Jocelyn" <ljoc...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:VsDm8.17414$uR5....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > We watched this programme on TV last night and I hope I'm not being
> > rude when I say that we were absolutely staggered at the amount of
> > make up all of them were wearing. It really did have that 'put on
> > with a trowel' appearance. And their hair was so stiff and unnatural -
> > it never moved!
> > Most of them were associated with the film world and theatre people
> > can sometimes feel 'naked' without all the slap on! Maybe that
> > to wear more make up than European women do - not to that degree,
> > e.g. Mette-Marit looks pale and washed out to them?
> > Sacha
>
> A friend of mine saw the late Princess of Wales when she and Charles first
> came to Australia and I remember her commenting on just how much make up
> that Diana had on.
>
> Private replies ljoc...@bigpond.com
I've just pulled out my photos that I took when Charles and Diana came to
Canberra on that first visit (in 1983). Diana did not seem to be wearing
much make up. She looked quite natural.
Penny
Tara O.
news:h9ol9ukmk0511pvla...@4ax.com...
> We watched this programme on TV last night and I hope I'm not being
> rude when I say that we were absolutely staggered at the amount of
> make up all of them were wearing. It really did have that 'put on
> with a trowel' appearance. And their hair was so stiff and unnatural -
> it never moved!
> Most of them were associated with the film world and theatre people
> can sometimes feel 'naked' without all the slap on! Maybe that
> explains it. But it did make me wonder if women in USA generally tend
> to wear more make up than European women do - not to that degree,
> necessarily! - and if that's why I've seen a few people comment that
> e.g. Mette-Marit looks pale and washed out to them?
> --
> Sacha
Hollywood women are only comparative to UK film stars. They are a breed
unto themselves IMO. They also don't do their own hair & makeup, its done
for them whenever they are to appear in an interview (usually) or especially
for an awards show. Most Hollywood women that I've seen in smalltime
interviews at their homes are usually dressed comfortably with little or no
makeup and look like they would everyday at home. I think the worst abusers
of makeup are our senior citizens. I don't know if its the generation they
came from or if the extra makeup is being used to hide age but most seniors
I've known tend to put on WAY too much makeup as well as perfume.
Tara
loki
> Hollywood women are only comparative to UK film stars. They are a breed
> unto themselves IMO. They also don't do their own hair & makeup, its done
> for them whenever they are to appear in an interview (usually) or
especially
> for an awards show. Most Hollywood women that I've seen in smalltime
> interviews at their homes are usually dressed comfortably with little or
no
> makeup and look like they would everyday at home. I think the worst
abusers
> of makeup are our senior citizens. I don't know if its the generation
they
> came from or if the extra makeup is being used to hide age but most
seniors
> I've known tend to put on WAY too much makeup as well as perfume.
I think much of this is indeed the generation they are from, but also that
they don't adjust their makeup as their hair lightens and their skin tones
change.
Women have a tendency to stay with the hairstyles and makeup they wore
in their youth or what they consider their most attractive age. They don't
realize that they should adjust both every few years.
I am constantly taken for at least 10 years younger than I really am
(sometimes as much as 15) mostly due to the fact that I wear current
styles of hair, makeup, jewelry and clothes. Nothing too young, but
changing over to silver rather than gold jewelry and wearing minimal
amounts in current styles, having a hair stylist I trust who keeps the
hair classic but still current, and an aunt who is a former model to
advise on clothes and makeup helps considerably...
Loki
C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring
> >
> > Hollywood women do not have a monopoly on strange looks as they
> > try to defeat Mr. Gravity. One should see some of the creatures on Park,
> > Madison and Fifth avenues in New York City.
Any major American city, to include my hometown of Saint Louis...
> Sacha wrote:
>
> You've conjured up a really gut-churning picture!
Candide has conjured an accurate picture, alas... There are too many
American women who are obsessed with maintaining the appearance
of youth, even if the "effect" is actually far from their "intent."
I can't tell you how many women I have seen peer into one another's
faces, mentally calculating comparisons. Does X look thinner?
Younger? Then possessions get tallied: Better jewellery? Nicer
car/house/clothes? More successful husband/significant other/partner?
For the kind of personality that lives to compete, nothing is too
insignificant/mundane/commonplace to compare.
The personalities can be just as scary. No one can say "isn't the
ring Candide's boyfriend/husband/significant other/mother/father/
sister/brother gave her for their engagement/their anniversary/'just
because'/college graduation/from her grandmother/her birthday
lovely?" Often, the topic "becomes": "who does Candide think
she is?" "Oh, Candide's just *dying* for someone to notice her
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing..." "It's [too big/ostentatious/tacky/rather small/not
as nice as she thinks it is."
This can be applied to anything: a car, a university acceptance
letter, a new abode, an article of clothing, just about anything...
Beware those "Death's Head" smiles... for usually, they belie very
sharp teeth!
;)
C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring
>
> I've just pulled out my photos that I took when Charles and
> Diana came to Canberra on that first visit (in 1983). Diana
> did not seem to be wearing much make up. She looked quite
> natural.
Diana had FABULOUS make-up, and of course, it was applied
by professionals, who weren't going to allow her to go out in
public looking like Dr. Frank N. Furter of the "Rocky Horror
Picture Show." The goal was always to make her appear as if
she was always, absolutely *naturally* gorgeous (and, inarguably,
Diana had beauty with which to work.)
Rosacea comes and goes and has "flare ups" and can be affected
by things like heat and stress. Diana could indeed have enjoyed
flawless skin at some times, and had a "flare up" at others, requiring
her to have to resort to more make-up than at other times. How
many times did the camera manage to capture Diana looking crispy-
fried from the sun - which *did* happen? By the time Diana was
in front of the cameras, whomever did her make-up had "evened
out" a sunburn.
Diana had few "make-up faux pas" - such as the royal blue eyeliner
on the inside of her lower lids - but she was so gaspingly beautiful
she could pull it off.
I really don't think the pictures taken by Patrick Demarchelier of
Diana could ever be equaled.
Susan Cohen
"C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring" wrote:
> For the kind of personality that lives to compete, nothing is too
> insignificant/mundane/commonplace to compare.
>
> The personalities can be just as scary. No one can say "isn't the
> ring Candide's boyfriend/husband/significant other/mother/father/
> sister/brother gave her for their engagement/their anniversary/'just
> because'/college graduation/from her grandmother/her birthday
> lovely?" Often, the topic "becomes": "who does Candide think
> she is?" "Oh, Candide's just *dying* for someone to notice her
> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing..." "It's [too big/ostentatious/tacky/rather small/not
> as nice as she thinks it is."
Remidns me of my friend's engagement, when she gushed with
pride and love about the "ice cube" her fiance had gotten her.
It was a lovely ring - beautiful fire, probably a better "color"
then mine - but it was half the size of mine.
I remember sliding my hand alongside my thigh, just so no one
would see it while I admired hers...
Of course, when someone did notice, we all made jokes
about it "Well, my fiance is bigger than hers, so...."
At which point I shot back, "Yeah, he *weighs* more..."
(Of course, he's much taller than my husband, but, y'know,
"Stan' By Yer Man" & all that...)
I suppose we're all anti-competitively competitive....
SusanC
Susan Cohen
"C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring" wrote:
> Diana had few "make-up faux pas" - such as the royal blue eyeliner
> on the inside of her lower lids
I had read that she picked that up from Liz Taylor, but that
also sounds like a Hollywood urban legend.
> - but she was so gaspingly beautiful
> she could pull it off.
And even *she* hated her nose!
> I really don't think the pictures taken by Patrick Demarchelier of
> Diana could ever be equaled.
I have found that some of the Snowden pictures early on
look faked/posed...I dunno - I neverliked them much. :-(
SusanC
Susan Cohen
Sacha wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:40:47 -0500, "Tara O." <tara...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> I don't know if its the generation they
> >came from or if the extra makeup is being used to hide age but most seniors
> >I've known tend to put on WAY too much makeup as well as perfume.
> >
> >Tara
> >
>
> These women weren't actresses but were connected with the film
> industry in one way or another IIRC. And yes, they were certainly
> 'women of a certain age', as the French so gracefully say. ;-) I
> think you've probably explained it to me.
> --
> Sacha
I t has just dawned on me.
As people age, their olfactory systems can lose effectveness -
hence the loads of perfume.
*And* we've all heard the jokes about the old folks with the
60 watt bulbs - that's their eyesight going, and them not realizing
that it's the 60 watt bulbs - which explains all the make-up as
well.
Theres also the thought that a softer light hides what people may
not want to see, which is great *after* you;ve applied the make-up -
but it shoul dnever be done theother way around. Which, I suspect,
it too often is.
The older I get, the more sympathetic I want to make myself to
the people I hope not to be one day....
SusanC
C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring
> Susan Cohen wrote:
>
> I have found that some of the Snowdon pictures early on
> look faked/posed...I dunno - I never liked them much. :-(
I liked the famous engagement picture, with both of them in
open-collared blue oxford-cloth shirts with Diana's arms
around Charles' neck and her hand placed just so to show
off the dazzling ring.
However, I *really* didn't like the Snowdon pictures he
took towards the end of Diana's Life. He took a series of
her in the gowns she would auction, to include the one used on
the official Royal website. While it's true that Diana was no
longer so skeletal (looking MUCH healthier) and so many
of the gowns no longer truly fit (I'm told many could not longer
be zipped up and were secured for the photo shoot in other
ways) the angles were simply unflattering. While, as I wrote
before, though Diana was no longer so skeletal, she was
*never* a fat woman, and some of these pictures just are just
not flattering at all, taken at odd angles and in weird lighting.
As a professional photographer of no small renown, Snowdon
would have known *exactly* what he was doing. I always
wondered if there was not some kind of "subtle revenge" at
play here - taking pictures of Diana that were not showing her
to her best advantage.
A magnificent portrait Snowdon took of Diana is the one
where she is wearing a black (or the deepest midnight blue)
gown with a deep V-neck, possibly of velvet. She is seated,
and her hands are clasped in her lap; her only jewellery are
her wedding and engagement rings, pearl earrings and pearl
bracelet. Her face is half in shadow, and it is truly a lovely
portrait, very romantic.
One thing I've noticed about Snowdon's portraits is that many
pictures make the skin beneath the eyes look crepe-y and
wrinkled - even in very young women, such as Diana's twenty-
first birthday portrait (in the lace blouse, which was so lovely
otherwise) and pictures of the young Lady Helen Windsor and
even the young Lady Ella (Gabriella.)
Karen Horn
:> But why is it that European runways always look like freak shows?
:>
I think ALL those runway things look like freak shows!
Have you EVER in real life seen a woman walking down the street with one tit
hanging out and the other behind a maidenform conical bra and a maxi
dress with a slit up the navel? Neither have I.
Karen
Tom
wrote in >
> I really don't think the pictures taken by Patrick Demarchelier of
> Diana could ever be equaled.
>
> ~ C.
>
> --
i saw his photographs of diana at a gallery in nyc and they were
incredible. interestingly this is the same photographer who gwyneth
paltrow says betrayed her by photographing her (semi) nude and then
publishing the pictures in harpers bazaar. mario testino captured
diana at her best too. dianas more formal portraits never were as
lovely, as example snowden never got it right. some of the
photographs he took for the christies catalog were downright scary.
lighting, angle, resolution, it all seemed wrong. the only benefit in
my mind was it really showed diana and all her flaws, yet she was
still young and lovely and could get away with the harsh lighting and
the very focused lens.
Karen Horn
:
: I can't tell you how many women I have seen peer into one another's
: faces, mentally calculating comparisons. Does X look thinner?
: Younger? Then possessions get tallied: Better jewellery? Nicer
: car/house/clothes? More successful husband/significant other/partner?
:
: For the kind of personality that lives to compete, nothing is too
: insignificant/mundane/commonplace to compare.
:
: The personalities can be just as scary. No one can say "isn't the
: ring Candide's boyfriend/husband/significant other/mother/father/
: sister/brother gave her for their engagement/their anniversary/'just
: because'/college graduation/from her grandmother/her birthday
: lovely?" Often, the topic "becomes": "who does Candide think
: she is?" "Oh, Candide's just *dying* for someone to notice her
: riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing..." "It's [too big/ostentatious/tacky/rather small/not
: as nice as she thinks it is."
:
: This can be applied to anything: a car, a university acceptance
: letter, a new abode, an article of clothing, just about anything...
:
: Beware those "Death's Head" smiles... for usually, they belie very
: sharp teeth!
:
: ;)
:
: ~ C.
ROTFLMAO! You've been re-reading BONFIRE OF VANITIES, I see. ;-D
Karen
Martha Tassi
> >> To us, shell suits are those sort of nylon track suit thingies that
> >> nobody would be seen dead in, yes. A lot of gold jewellery and a deep
> >> tan are just SO not the thing and as to fingernails, long ones are
> >> certainly worn by plenty of people but are not 'posh'. ;-) The, er,
> >> posh length, is such that if you hold your palm towards you, you can
> >> barely/just see the tips of your finger nails.
> >> The customs of different countries are extremely interesting and they
> >> have manifested themselves in dress and fashion for centuries.
> >> --
> >> Sacha
> >> (remove spamtrap)
> >
> >
> >
> >========
> >
> >I suppose those of us who are naturally tan will never be posh. sigh.
> >
> >-Martha
> >
> >========
> >
> Oh, not at all! One of my daughters would kill to be like that. ;-)
> She has extremely fair skin and it's very hard for her to tan without
> burning. The other has olive-y Med. type skin and goes the most
> gorgeous golden colour.
> What is 'common' nowadays is that really baked mahogany skin that
> people used to aspire to in the 60s, particularly. I think it's
> because we're so much more health aware about skin cancer now.
> Whenever I see pictures of American women they all seem to be that
> lovely golden tan, too. I know we're all supposed to wear Factor 320
> every day of the year but there's no doubt some degree of tanning
> makes you *feel* better. ;-)
> --
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
==========
I'm medium olive-complected, but tan very quickly. There is a down side to
that - I get funny tan lines so I have to wear sunblock most of the year.
-Martha
==========
Martha Tassi
> >
> >-Martha
> >
> >>
>
>
can be
> white or I can be red.
>
> +=+=+=
My husband is the same - he turns dayglo pink after ten minutes in the sun.
If it's any consolation, the same skin that tans very quickly is also prone
to have inconvenient tan lines. Also, little scratches and bumps take
forever to erase. My skin holds a scar for months.
-Martha
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Martha Tassi
"Tara O." <tara...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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=========
With age comes diminished eyesight and sense of smell. Perhaps the ladies
aren't aware of being overdone.
-Martha
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Martha Tassi
> than the rest of the tan?
> --
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
===========
The difference between the area exposed to the sun and that covered by
clothing - that's a tan line.
-Martha
===========
Martha Tassi
> ;-) The daughter that finds it hard to get a tan, insists on wearing
> a watch when she's in the sun, so that she can take it off later to
> prove she has actually been outside. ;-))
> --
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
========
It takes me about 10 minutes to get a tan line. Here it's not considered a
good thing. We take our tans seriously and the skin should be evenly tanned
with no visable lines.
-Martha
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Susan Cohen
Karen Horn wrote:
> JFlexer <jef...@fake.address.aol.com> wrote:
> :> But why is it that European runways always look like freak shows?
(Actually, I wrote this.... Not that I'm complaining....)
> :>
>
> I think ALL those runway things look like freak shows!
>
> Have you EVER in real life seen a woman walking down the street with one tit
> hanging out and the other behind a maidenform conical bra and a maxi
> dress with a slit up the navel? Neither have I.
>
> Karen
Not anyone I wouldn't try to send to an emergency room
for having been attacked, no.
(And I can beat this. I once saw a woman locked into a metal tubular
rectagle that forced her to crab-walk (but forward) down a runway
that had a "stream", in a catsuit, her eyes made up differently from one
another, and part of her hair sticking out in tufts. I think there was
chunky confetti blowing around, but you'll understand if I didn't
notice it overmuch....)
Susan
Susan Cohen
Varda Ullman Novick wrote:
> I've seen candid pictures of Charles in which he looks like he
> also suffers from Rosacea.
Oh, yes, I'm sure he has it.
SusanC
Susan Cohen
Sacha wrote:
> His complexion is *very* weatherbeaten, I'd say. No Factor 25 in
> *his* bathroom cupboard. ;-)
> --
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
I'll never forget the description of a visitor to Highgrove who was
astounded to see some poor gardener working in the cold drizzle -
they couldn't believe Charles would insist on such a horrible thing -
and then, of course, they found out that it was Charles, *himself*....
SusanC
Jean Sue Libkind
of makeup are our senior citizens. I don't know if its the generation they
came from or if the extra makeup is being used to hide age but most seniors
I've known tend to put on WAY too much makeup as well as perfume.
Tara >>
Actually, I think they just don't see well enough to know how bright the
make-up is. And they may not see the vividness of the colors either. Norman
Rockwell, the artist/illustrator, painted in very bright colors at the end of
his life because he could not see subtlety of tones.
+=+=+=
jea...@bookschlepper.com
Martha Tassi
> lot of very private gardens round your way........
> --
> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
===========
Private backyards are common here, so are tanning salons. I prefer to save
my skin and use sunless tanning lotion. I can get tan overnight without
having to fry myself.
-Martha
===========
Candide
Our noses become used to familiar scents and thus many women,not just women of a
certain age drench themselves in their favorite scent. While a tiny amount can
make an impression on the rest of us,they because they've been wearing "Fracas"
for ages cannot smell it,so they think no one else can either hence the pouring
on of more scent.
As for make-up I truly believe some women get stuck in a time warp and believe
they are still young gels who can carry off extremes of heavy make-up. Heavy
green eye shadow,dark liquid eye-liner,false eye-lashes and tons of rouge may
have been a big hit in the 60's,but its terribly dated now.
Also many older women cling to foundations/powders/cosmetics they started using
as young gels/women. Hence Max-Factor still doing a brisk business selling
Pan-Stick (a ghastly heavy base foundation),and Coty in Air-Spun powder (the
smell makes me gag,but grandma-ma loved it). Formulas have changed since
then,but many women won't be parted with their favorite brands/colors.
Know of several elderly ladies who have worn the same lipstick shade since
Eisenhower was in office, and will search from here to Katmandu to find more of
it.
Candide
_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+__+_+__+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_
The ocean is the river's goal,
a need to leave the water knows
We're closer now than light years to go.
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"Find The River" REM
"Jean Sue Libkind" <jea...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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Karen Horn
: My husband is the same - he turns dayglo pink after ten minutes in the sun.
: If it's any consolation, the same skin that tans very quickly is also prone
: to have inconvenient tan lines. Also, little scratches and bumps take
: forever to erase. My skin holds a scar for months.
:
: -Martha
: ============
Ditto---300 years in this country almost and you'd think ONE of my ancestors
could have married a Mediterranean or somesuch to get some color so
I wouldn't look transparent. [Well, not quite that bad, but even with
the sunshine I do get from just walking around in SoCal you'd think I'd
photograph just a tad darker than cream colored paper.]
Karen
Karen Horn
:
: It takes me about 10 minutes to get a tan line. Here it's not considered a
: good thing. We take our tans seriously and the skin should be evenly tanned
: with no visable lines.
:
: -Martha
Right. Buck nekkid is best.
Karen
;-D
Karen Horn
:
:
:
:> JFlexer <jef...@fake.address.aol.com> wrote:
:> :> But why is it that European runways always look like freak shows?
:
: (Actually, I wrote this.... Not that I'm complaining....)
Oops! Sorry, Susan!
:
:> :>
:>
:> I think ALL those runway things look like freak shows!
:>
:> Have you EVER in real life seen a woman walking down the street with one tit
:> hanging out and the other behind a maidenform conical bra and a maxi
:> dress with a slit up the navel? Neither have I.
:>
:> Karen
:
: Not anyone I wouldn't try to send to an emergency room
: for having been attacked, no.
:
: (And I can beat this. I once saw a woman locked into a metal tubular
: rectagle that forced her to crab-walk (but forward) down a runway
: that had a "stream", in a catsuit, her eyes made up differently from one
: another, and part of her hair sticking out in tufts. I think there was
: chunky confetti blowing around, but you'll understand if I didn't
: notice it overmuch....)
:
: Susan
She wasn't in a production of CATS was she? Anyway, my "WTF" moment
while watching the snippets of fashion shows they put on the "style segments"
of the news are the totally unconcerned "yes, you can see my nipples
through this gossamer fabric and I don't care because putting this
top on is a total concession" expressions the models have on their
faces. I think "does your mother know you are walking around in public
looking like a total slut?"
Karen
Karen Horn
: On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 05:47:25 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com>
: wrote:
:
:>
:>
: That happened to my ex-father in law. The visitor, who had never met
: him before, would NOT believe he was who he said he was. ;-)
: --
: Sacha
: (remove spamtrap)
Shades of Fred Astaire and DAMSEL IN DISTRESS!
Karen
Jean Sue Libkind
>of makeup are our senior citizens. I don't know if its the generation they
>came from or if the extra makeup is being used to hide age but most seniors
>I've known tend to put on WAY too much makeup as well as perfume.
>
>Tara >>
>
>
>Actually, I think they just don't see well enough to know how bright the
>make-up is. And they may not see the vividness of the colors either. Norman
>Rockwell, the artist/illustrator, painted in very bright colors at the end of
>his life because he could not see subtlety of tones.
>
>+=+=+=
>jea...@bookschlepper.com
In the TV programme we saw, some, if not most, were our age.
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Sacha
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I rest my case ;-)
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jea...@bookschlepper.com
C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring
>
> Right. Buck nekkid is best.
I'm told that "naked" is the state of being unclothed, while "nekkid"
is the state of being unclothed "and up to something" (so to speak ;)
Tara O.
in message news:epFtk7H1BHA.2152@cpimsnntpa03...
> > Karen Horn wrote:
> >
> > Right. Buck nekkid is best.
>
> I'm told that "naked" is the state of being unclothed, while "nekkid"
> is the state of being unclothed "and up to something" (so to speak ;)
I guess it depends on who you talk to. Those born and bred SCarolinians
from the country speak the word naked as nekkid as though that's how its
supposed to sound. However, the latter does tend to sound more wicked than
former.
Tara
C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring
> > > Karen Horn wrote:
> > >
> > > Right. Buck nekkid is best.
> > Candace wrote:
> >
> > I'm told that "naked" is the state of being unclothed, while "nekkid"
> > is the state of being unclothed "and up to something" (so to speak ;)
> Tara O. wrote:
>
> I guess it depends on who you talk to. Those born and bred
> SCarolinians from the country speak the word naked as nekkid as
> though that's how its supposed to sound. However, the latter does
> tend to sound more wicked than former.
Exactly! :)
"Tara sunbathed naked on the nude beaches of Saint Tropez" sounds
ho-hum next to "Tara was buck-nekkid on the nekkid-beaches in
the South of France!" The former is just Tara without her clothes on,
trying to get an even tan without frying something sensitive. The latter
makes it sound like Tara is the wicked lady having unseemly amounts
of fun, possibly draped in "daytime diamonds" and sipping a Mai-Tai
while a muscled beach boy rubs coconut-scented oil on her bronzing
behind, and one just KNOWS that Tara is naughty, naughty, naughty.
brit
: > I'm told that "naked" is the state of being unclothed, while "nekkid"
: > is the state of being unclothed "and up to something" (so to speak ;)
:
: I guess it depends on who you talk to. Those born and bred SCarolinians
: from the country speak the word naked as nekkid as though that's how its
: supposed to sound. However, the latter does tend to sound more wicked
than
: former.
:
: Tara
:
: I always used to say I was ''knackered'..(being tierd and weary)until a
friend thought I was saying naked and wondered why I was telling her that
over the telephone!!!
brit
Susan Cohen
brit wrote:
And over here "knackered" means "slaughtered". Animal are knackered!!
SusanC
Martha Tassi
============
My kids have olive skin. My son is dark, my daughter is much lighter
complected. Each one's coloring looks just right on them.
-Martha
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Susan Cohen
Sacha wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:26:44 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com>
> wrote:
>
> >And over here "knackered" means "slaughtered". Animal are knackered!!
> >
> >SusanC
>
> It does here, too as in "knacker's yard".
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> Sacha
> (remove spamtrap)
That's what I thought, but figured, "Hey, I've been wrong before..."
(now that I think about it, I may have said something wrong here, too -
I think knackered *is* an English expression for "slaughtered", and
*not* an American one....)
SusanC
Karen Horn
:> Karen Horn wrote:
:>
:> Right. Buck nekkid is best.
:
: I'm told that "naked" is the state of being unclothed, while "nekkid"
: is the state of being unclothed "and up to something" (so to speak ;)
:
: ~ C.
Yup. Just being a tad more exhibitionist about it!
;-D
KAren
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Karen Horn
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That or "parading around." ;-D They never just "walk around nude"
they "parade around nekkid."
Karen