"The Queen is a vulgarian..."
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Perhaps... But as far as art goes, I know I'd rather collect glass animals
than Old Masters!
I'm surprised at her musical tastes, though. Surely everyone likes SOME kind
of classical music? Me, I like Wagner, as we discussed last week. There's
nothing in this world like riding in a Mercedes down the Romantic Road
towards Hohenschwangau with the sun-roof open and Siegfried pouring out of
the stereo. You just lay your head back, close your eyes, feeling the sun
across your face, and listen as the driver sings along... *sigh*
But then, I'm a HUGE opera fan. I'm just really surprised that the Queen
isn't.
Are you surprised that she's no "culture vulture"? And what about you? What
do you like? (Sorry, but I like getting to know a little about my
fellow-posters) :)
Susan Cohen
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Sweet German wines are vulgar & classic dry are not?
And if you hate the taste of alcohol altogether?
That criterion is just dumb!
>
> Perhaps... But as far as art goes, I know I'd rather collect glass animals
> than Old Masters!
Hmmm, if I could afford Old Masters, I'd rather have those!!
I'd love just about anything by Monet, & a lot of Van Gogh's - yes, I like
the Impressionists. I like some of the pre-Raphaelites, but I also like what
I consider "expensive kitsch" like Leighton (i.e., pretty & evocative).
> I'm surprised at her musical tastes, though. Surely everyone likes SOME
kind
> of classical music? Me, I like Wagner, as we discussed last week. There's
> nothing in this world like riding in a Mercedes down the Romantic Road
> towards Hohenschwangau with the sun-roof open and Siegfried pouring out of
> the stereo. You just lay your head back, close your eyes, feeling the sun
> across your face, and listen as the driver sings along... *sigh*
(Is this where I point out that Wagner isn't Classical....? :-P)
>
> But then, I'm a HUGE opera fan. I'm just really surprised that the Queen
> isn't.
>
> Are you surprised that she's no "culture vulture"?
I just wonder if it's like what Philip says: he doesn't go to public
performances "because I don't want to feel too moved." It *could* be that
she loves it too much to enjoy people staring at her while she listens.
But I could be completely wrong.
And what about you? What
> do you like? (Sorry, but I like getting to know a little about my
> fellow-posters) :)
Musically, I'll listen to just about anything but country/western & rap.
SusanC
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> Sweet German wines are vulgar & classic dry are not?
> And if you hate the taste of alcohol altogether?
> That criterion is just dumb!
>
I agree here -- wine (and any alcohol really) is a personal taste, and
shouldn't be subject to the fashionistas. I rather thought that the
underlying implication here was that she'd be more at home with her sweet
German wine at an oompah band performance...
> >
> > Perhaps... But as far as art goes, I know I'd rather collect glass
animals
> > than Old Masters!
>
> Hmmm, if I could afford Old Masters, I'd rather have those!!
> I'd love just about anything by Monet, & a lot of Van Gogh's - yes, I like
> the Impressionists. I like some of the pre-Raphaelites, but I also like
what
> I consider "expensive kitsch" like Leighton (i.e., pretty & evocative).
This is what I like too -- Leighton, Sir Frank Dicksee (I have a print of
his Belle Dame Sans Merci in the kitchen -- in fact I have a number of
Belles Dames from various artists of this sort), Lawrence Alma-Tadema, etc.
>
> > I'm surprised at her musical tastes, though. Surely everyone likes SOME
> kind
> > of classical music? Me, I like Wagner, as we discussed last week.
There's
> > nothing in this world like riding in a Mercedes down the Romantic Road
> > towards Hohenschwangau with the sun-roof open and Siegfried pouring out
of
> > the stereo. You just lay your head back, close your eyes, feeling the
sun
> > across your face, and listen as the driver sings along... *sigh*
>
> (Is this where I point out that Wagner isn't Classical....? :-P)
Oh, he is to me! He's the ultimate classic composer in my world -- but
that's obviously because of my intemperate Ludwig II devotion! :)
> >
> > But then, I'm a HUGE opera fan. I'm just really surprised that the Queen
> > isn't.
> >
> > Are you surprised that she's no "culture vulture"?
>
> I just wonder if it's like what Philip says: he doesn't go to public
> performances "because I don't want to feel too moved." It *could* be that
> she loves it too much to enjoy people staring at her while she listens.
>
> But I could be completely wrong.
I hadn't thought of this, but I have to admit that going to a public concert
and having as much attention on me as on the stage would be more than a
little off-putting.
>
> And what about you? What
> > do you like? (Sorry, but I like getting to know a little about my
> > fellow-posters) :)
>
> Musically, I'll listen to just about anything but country/western & rap.
Count me out of country-and-western too, but some rap is good. And I find
myself especially liking Eminem -- The Real Slim Shady ought to be the theme
of agr, I think!
>
> SusanC
>
>
>
Susan Cohen
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> >
> > Sweet German wines are vulgar & classic dry are not?
> > And if you hate the taste of alcohol altogether?
> > That criterion is just dumb!
> >
>
> I agree here -- wine (and any alcohol really) is a personal taste, and
> shouldn't be subject to the fashionistas. I rather thought that the
> underlying implication here was that she'd be more at home with her sweet
> German wine at an oompah band performance...
>
And I *like* oompa bands. Tho' the atmosphere makes me nervous :-) (Someone
mentions "Beer Hall" & I automatically think "putsch".... (-: )
> > >
> > > Perhaps... But as far as art goes, I know I'd rather collect glass
> animals
> > > than Old Masters!
> >
> > Hmmm, if I could afford Old Masters, I'd rather have those!!
> > I'd love just about anything by Monet, & a lot of Van Gogh's - yes, I
like
> > the Impressionists. I like some of the pre-Raphaelites, but I also like
> what
> > I consider "expensive kitsch" like Leighton (i.e., pretty & evocative).
>
> This is what I like too -- Leighton, Sir Frank Dicksee (I have a print of
> his Belle Dame Sans Merci in the kitchen
The one where she's on a horse is a reddish gown?
-- in fact I have a number of
> Belles Dames from various artists of this sort), Lawrence Alma-Tadema,
etc.
>
Oh, his stuff is lovely, too.
> >
> > > I'm surprised at her musical tastes, though. Surely everyone likes
SOME
> > kind
> > > of classical music? Me, I like Wagner, as we discussed last week.
> There's
> > > nothing in this world like riding in a Mercedes down the Romantic Road
> > > towards Hohenschwangau with the sun-roof open and Siegfried pouring
out
> of
> > > the stereo. You just lay your head back, close your eyes, feeling the
> sun
> > > across your face, and listen as the driver sings along... *sigh*
> >
> > (Is this where I point out that Wagner isn't Classical....? :-P)
>
> Oh, he is to me! He's the ultimate classic composer in my world -- but
> that's obviously because of my intemperate Ludwig II devotion! :)
(I was being persnickety: Wager is considered a Romantic (when he's not
being considered a creep). Beethoven is both the last great Classical
coomposer & the first of the Romantics. His work spans the gap)
>
> > >
> > > But then, I'm a HUGE opera fan. I'm just really surprised that the
Queen
> > > isn't.
> > >
> > > Are you surprised that she's no "culture vulture"?
> >
> > I just wonder if it's like what Philip says: he doesn't go to public
> > performances "because I don't want to feel too moved." It *could* be
that
> > she loves it too much to enjoy people staring at her while she listens.
> >
> > But I could be completely wrong.
>
> I hadn't thought of this, but I have to admit that going to a public
concert
> and having as much attention on me as on the stage would be more than a
> little off-putting.
>
> >
> > And what about you? What
> > > do you like? (Sorry, but I like getting to know a little about my
> > > fellow-posters) :)
> >
> > Musically, I'll listen to just about anything but country/western & rap.
>
> Count me out of country-and-western too, but some rap is good. And I find
> myself especially liking Eminem -- The Real Slim Shady ought to be the
theme
> of agr, I think!
I'd have to look that up before I disa/gree.
Where would you put "Mambo #5", musically speaking?
SusanC
>
> >
> > SusanC
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Andy.3rd
>Musically, I'll listen to just about anything but country/western & rap.
>
>SusanC
Ahem... errr... Rap isn't music. ;)
CW on the other hand..... <G>
His Illustrious and Most Serene Jadedness, Andy, RSM
"Mrs. J. J. McHale- a wannabe "authority" and the Usenet's most promiscous
posting-whore"
Nynthlyfe9
myself especially liking Eminem -- The Real Slim Shady ought to be the theme
of agr, I think!
========================
:Penny!!!
Isnt Eminem a wonder?
I thought I was almost alone in my age group, when an NPR program pointed out
that there are many,many aging baby-boomers listening to eminem on the sly.
His lyrics Rock! I also like Kid Rock for a laugh, and love the outlaw genre
of country......Willie and Wylon and the Boyz!
actually for the longrest time my signature line was from an Eminem
song..."there must be a circus in town....." but this sig line is from
whitestripes,a new group from the UK
t
everyone knows it
from the Queen of England
to the Hounds of Hell
stephenmead
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> > > I'm surprised at her musical tastes, though. Surely everyone likes
SOME
> > kind
> > > of classical music? Me, I like Wagner, as we discussed last week.
> There's
> > > nothing in this world like riding in a Mercedes down the Romantic Road
> > > towards Hohenschwangau with the sun-roof open and Siegfried pouring
out
> of
> > > the stereo. You just lay your head back, close your eyes, feeling the
> sun
> > > across your face, and listen as the driver sings along... *sigh*
> >
> > (Is this where I point out that Wagner isn't Classical....? :-P)
>
> Oh, he is to me! He's the ultimate classic composer in my world -- but
> that's obviously because of my intemperate Ludwig II devotion! :)
>
Oooooooh, don't know what P means here, "Wagner isn't classical". Of course
he is! If you are referring to the fact that the period of music called
"classical" by musical historians is approximately 1750 -1800 and includes
Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven and therefore you believe the term should not be
applied to other periods, then Bach, Handel, Brahms, Tchaikovsky and all the
rest aren't classical either. But nobody uses the word in such a strict
sense in general usage, so anybody who wrote or writes music for opera
houses or symphony orchestras is classical, from Monteverdi to Phillip
Glass and that includes Wagner for sure.
I hope you don't take offence at my saying so, I don't mean to be pompous or
rude.
Tara O.
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> Perhaps... But as far as art goes, I know I'd rather collect glass animals
> than Old Masters!
I'd rather collect pastorals, lighthouses and victorian streetscapes from
totally unknowns myself. I also collect vintage and victorian music &
trinket boxes. It all depends on what gives you joy, otherwise why bother?
> I'm surprised at her musical tastes, though. Surely everyone likes SOME
kind
> of classical music?
None of my grandparents liked classical, nor my parents. I'm considered the
odd-duck for my musical tastes. I own a large collection of classical music
with modern to hard rock coming in second, big band third and
musical/showbiz tunes last (Doris Day for example). I'll listen to
Metallica or Linkin Park one minute then switch over to a classical cd the
next. I often go to the symphony for my night out...alone of course because
hubby also hates classical and chamber music :)
> But then, I'm a HUGE opera fan. I'm just really surprised that the Queen
> isn't.
I have never been able to appreciate opera. I've tried and tried but it
just won't happen.
> Are you surprised that she's no "culture vulture"? And what about you?
What
> do you like? (Sorry, but I like getting to know a little about my
> fellow-posters) :)
Not surprised. I think she's much more down-to-earth than many would think
and that may be what is considered the problem. You don't expect a monarch
to have the same tastes as someone living in a middle-class home with
middle-class tastes and furnishings. As for her penchant towards jigsaw
puzzles, she and I have something in common. I'm either reading, watching
old movies or (and sometimes.."also") doing a puzzle.
--
Tara
Holly W.
I'm not all that surprised that HM doesn't like classical music and
that she doesn't collect great works of art. She just seems like a
woman who's comfortable in her surroundings but isn't interested in
aesthetic things--unless it's a great racehorse.:) If I recall
correctly, though, she does like the "popular" music of the 1940's and
1950's--big band music and the songs from Rogers and Hammerstein
musicals in particular. I also think I read that she loves military
marches and John Phillips Sousa.
As for me, I grew up being dragged--oops, "taken"--to the symphony
as my parents always had season tickets and believed that children
should be encouraged to develop an interest in music. At first all I
learned was how to sit still and look interested, even when I was
bored out of my mind. But then I started to like it, especially
Chopin and Dvorak. Dvorak still remains one of my favorites, but I
also love Vivaldi and Haydn. And I will start crying whenever I hear
"Un Bel Di" from Madama Butterfly. As for other music, real
bluegrass, ABBA, Sheryl Crowe and Willie Nelson are favorites,and I am
a Gilbert and Sullivan fan.
Susan Cohen
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> >
> >Musically, I'll listen to just about anything but country/western & rap.
> >
> >SusanC
>
> Ahem... errr... Rap isn't music. ;)
THANK YOU! I've said this myself on more than one occasion, only to be
called, well, all sorts of things.
>
> CW on the other hand..... <G>
>
Don't get me started....
SusanC
Susan Cohen
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> >
> > Oh, he is to me! He's the ultimate classic composer in my world -- but
> > that's obviously because of my intemperate Ludwig II devotion! :)
> >
> Oooooooh, don't know what P means here,
That was no one *named* "P". That was a :-P
"Wagner isn't classical". Of course
> he is! If you are referring to the fact that the period of music called
> "classical" by musical historians is approximately 1750 -1800 and includes
> Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven and therefore you believe the term should not
be
> applied to other periods, then Bach, Handel, Brahms, Tchaikovsky and all
the
> rest aren't classical either.
Right. They're Baroque.
> But nobody uses the word in such a strict
> sense in general usage,
Well, nobody you know.
SusanC
Gioffreydo di '
========
I thought it was well known that she wasn't particularly interested in
the Arts. Personally I don't think that it has mattered because both
her sister and mother were great lovers of things cultural. I think
it was a good opportunity for the quite talented Princess Margaret to
immerse herself in something where she was not overshadowed by her
sister and perhaps the Queen felt so too? Trouble is, I guess, is
that now there's a bit of a void....
Gioff
Charlene
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I've heard opera defined as 'a guy who gets stabbed and instead of dying, he
sings.' Not a big fan of opera, but I don't consider myself any less
cultured because of it. Mozart, Bach, Beethoven--gotta love 'em. I went on a
big streak once with the Pre-Raphaelite painters (especially Edward
Burne-Jones), but I really like most of art, except for modern, including
pottery and china, painting and drawing, fashion and textiles. I adore
Sister Wendy. By the way--anyone out there read the DaVinci Code? I dare
anyone to take longer than two days to finish it, it's that exciting!
Charlene
Kelly
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> As for me, I grew up being dragged--oops, "taken"--to the symphony
> as my parents always had season tickets and believed that children
> should be encouraged to develop an interest in music. At first all I
> learned was how to sit still and look interested, even when I was
> bored out of my mind. But then I started to like it, especially
> Chopin and Dvorak. Dvorak still remains one of my favorites, but I
> also love Vivaldi and Haydn. And I will start crying whenever I hear
> "Un Bel Di" from Madama Butterfly. As for other music, real
> bluegrass, ABBA, Sheryl Crowe and Willie Nelson are favorites,and I am
> a Gilbert and Sullivan fan.
My parents took us to musicals when we were young -- they knew they couldn't
get 6 children to sit through the symphony, or opera. So we all have an
appreciation for musicals. I tried to get into opera -- one of my friends
invited me to Madama Butterfly, and at the end, when the old woman stabs
herself, I muttered "die already". I liked it in the beginning, but I have a
hard time sitting through anything that's 3 hours long. I took my nephews to
Hansel and Gretel -- it wasn't so bad, but it's not an experience I'd care
to repeat.
My high school Russian teacher got me hooked on Russian composers, like
Glinka, Borodin, Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky, Rimksy-Korsakoff, and Mussorgsky.
Mussorgsky's "Night on Bare/Bald Mountain" is my fave composition of all
time. And while I recognise that artists like Beethoven, Mendelssohn,
Mozart, Chopin, Bach, Brahms, and the like are all great artists, I've never
been able to "get into" their works.
Other music runs the gamut from country & western, heavy metal, hip-hop,
blues, jazz, pop, rap, alternative, progressive -- anything but dance,
trance, or electronica. I remember saying to my kid brother, as he was
getting in to the "music" of BT, "that's not music; hell, I can fiddle with
my computer". And he spouted off about how it was art and all this nonsense.
Kelly
--
What we see depends mainly on what we look for.
Atlantis Magazine
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I guess my problem with "culture vultures" is that they seem so determined
to set the standards to which we must all aspire in order to be considered
cultured/educated/sophisticated.
Obviously, the Queen has been exposed to all sorts of "culture" in its
various forms. And if she doesn't like any of it, then I can respect that. I
know nothing that bores me quite as rigid as ballet. And art speaks to me
hardly at all. I find my "culture" in literature and opera. I would never
have gone to an opera on my own, I think, but a friend of mine sings in the
chorus of Opera Pacific, and he gave me tickets to Rigoletto a few years
ago. I was RIVETED. It just oozed in and made sweet love to the big drama
queen inside me. :) I cannot get enough. This year, I saw Il Trovatore,
Abduction from the Seraglio and Turandot. I skipped La Boheme this season,
because once was enough of that and I saw it about four years ago. Next
season I will see Madame Butterfly, Cosi Fan Tutte and am REALLY looking
forward to the night when I'll see Pagliacci (a fave!) and Carmina Burana.
I am not a particular fan of the Windsors, but I do find that it rankles my
little plebian soul to have someone's personal tastes in what is essentially
entertainment being excoriated. I'm actually pleased to see that the Queen
(and most of the rest of us here) are not fashion's fools (to misquote
Shakespeare).
And who is this Germaine Greer anyway? :)
Andy.3rd
>Abduction from the Seraglio and Turandot. I skipped La Boheme this season,
>because once was enough of that and I saw it about four years ago. Next
>season I will see Madame Butterfly, Cosi Fan Tutte and am REALLY looking
>forward to the night when I'll see Pagliacci (a fave!) and Carmina Burana.
If you ever get the chance do NOT pass up Norma- especially if one of the
"Names" is doing it!
Lethal Injectn
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3102853.stm
>
>Perhaps... But as far as art goes, I know I'd rather collect glass animals
than Old Masters! >>
You're right in noting the subjective aspect of art. However, I thought the
article was trying to say that the Queen had an obligation --- by virtue of her
position and her abilities -- to increase the royal art gallery for the sake of
posterity and the country. To that extent, I agree with the article. The
Queen is in a unique position to add culturally important pieces to the royal
collection, pieces which will reflect the time or which could become important
later on. The nature of the royal gallery is such that, IMO, she is almost
like a guardian of artistic works to be enjoyed centuries from now by her
successors or by the nation. It is almost like a duty, a tradition from the
past to be carried on. I'm surprised she hasn't taken advantage of her
position and situation to add to it.
>But then, I'm a HUGE opera fan. I'm just really surprised that the Queen
isn't. >>
Opera seems to be a highly acquired habit so that small aspect doesn't surprise
me. I know many fans of classical music who are ambivalent about opera and I'm
just a small minority. Throughout my childhood, I shuddered at the opera
blazing in my house. I could appreciate a great voice like Jessie Norman's or
the famous male tenors but a whole opera? The way my father listened to it in
rapt fascination? Never. The last straw was seeing "Manon Lescaut" at the
Met. Utterly awful experience and my tush aches just at the memory. It took
much bullying, along with Carmen, the Barber of Seville and "O Fortuna" to make
me slink back warily.
>Are you surprised that she's no "culture vulture"? And what about you? What
do you like? (Sorry, but I like getting to know a little about my
fellow-posters) :) >>
I think it's a pity that she doesn't do more given her power and the
possibilities. Ultimately, however, it doesn't matter much given all her other
accomplishments. Then too, as other posters have commented, she seems very
down-to-earth and unpretentious in her likes. She isn't acting the hypocrite
by doing what she hates; she is actually being more genuine about her feelings.
BTW, what on earth is wrong with doing crossword puzzles? It is hardly a sign
of uncouth, uncivilized and unsophisticated tastes! It merely means the person
likes a verbal challenge. I thought that part was as irrelevant as the wine
comments. Illogically unrelated fluff!
As to your more personal questions: On my end, it's a broad range of things
musically: Gregorian chants, Depeche Mode, Beethoven, Mozart, Handel, Vivaldi,
and Bach. Beethoven makes me keel over and die!!!!!!!!!!! So does anything
involving the violin like one piece done by St. Saens (at least, I think it is
by him) and definitely Bach's Double Violin concerto.
On a more modern end: Depeche Mode (just one more time because I ADORE THEM!),
Gloria Gaynor, most 80s music, ABBA, Sisters of Mercy, Enigma, Sarah
McClaughlin, Billy Joel, old U2, old Elton John, Cause-and- Effect,
Technotronic, Captn. Hollywood Project, Billy Idol, George Michael, Bon Jovi
and some dance music. (Yikes, most of that is VERY embarassing to admit to!!!)
I also listen to a LOT of European music, from french groups and Dalida, to
Toto Cutugno, Eros Ramazotti, Mylene Farmer, Patricia Kaas, and Jeanne Mas.
As you could probably guess, rap, CW, Christian Gospel, heavy industrial or
heavy grunge is NOT part of my collection. Neither are the pop slut princesses
like Twitney Spears or J. Ho.
As for art, my favorite artist is Dante Gabriel Rossetti, followed very closely
by Monet, Van Gogh, Klimt, and then some pre-raphaelite painters.
Lethal Injectn
> am REALLY looking forward to the night when I'll see Pagliacci (a fave!) and
Carmina Burana. >>>>
Orff's "O Fortuna" segment of Carmina Burana is one of my most FAVORITE pieces
ever. In fact, I firmly blame "O Fortuna" for a MASSIVE speed ticket I got.
;)
I envy you for the chance to see it live. It gives me goosebumps all over
whenever I hear it.
Gioffreydo di '
> >
> And who is this Germaine Greer anyway? :)
=====
Dr Germaine Greer is an Australian feminist, famous for the book, The
Female Eunuch. She is actually a very intelligent woman and loves to
be controversial (remember her outcry when Cheri Blair got pregnant
[Leave her alone Tony!]. Sadly, I think she has become embittered
with her lot (or perhaps not *having* a 'lot'!
Gioff
Susan Cohen
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> Brahms and Tchaikovsky are not Baroque. But, you knew that. :)
Well, duh, yeah - sorry, I wasn't paying close enough attention. I read the
first two, really.
I suppose the real problem is that people use a capital letter when
referring to Classical music, but lump a great deal of music under the
"small c" that you can't her when you're speaking.
SusanC
Charlene
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> From: "Atlantis Magazine" pe...@atlantis-magazine.com
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> As for art, my favorite artist is Dante Gabriel Rossetti, followed very
closely
> by Monet, Van Gogh, Klimt, and then some pre-raphaelite painters.
>
Ah! I'm looking at 'Love Among the Ruins' even as I type. I think it's fine
if people say they 'hate' opera, as long as they've actually been to one so
they have a reference--certainly the Queen has attended vast amounts of
cultural events--but some people 'hate' without ever having tried. I
remember I was really kind of excited to attend Carmen, but then they jazzed
it up and instead of being full of bull fights and matadors, they had it set
in Castro's Cuba. Here I was, looking forward to seeing mantillas and lovely
gowns, and all I got was army fatigues and raised fists. Blah. In spite of
also seeing La Boheme, Don Giovanni, and The Magic Flute, I'll let opera for
the others.
Charlene
>
PK
You should be the Monarch, LI .... your taste is much more refined
than HM's !
I like much of the same music as you like but would have to add The
Cure, a spot of metal, Billy Ocean, Earth, wind and Fire, Hall and
Oates, Chopin, Franz Listz, BeeGees , E. Presley's Gospel and of
course much opera ... with Verdi as fave. In the art department, I
like your guys plus Manet, Camille Carot landscapes, Vermeer, Millais,
Berthe Morrisot, Matisse, Tissot, Rousseau, Landseer, Stubb's horses,
[especially 'WhistleJacket'],several surrealists, including Chagall,
back to Raphael and most recently , not very much; except
Bernice Pettit for sure.
I agree with your estimation of the Queen's responsibility to enlarge
the Royal art collection...I rather think she has been influenced by
the wrong people in that area. She loves azaleas, for instance, and
should seek out some contemporary flower paintings, O'Keefe, perhaps.
She and Phil adore musicals, with 'Oklahoma !' being their sentimental
favourite...they loved it in their youth.
The Queen also perfers 'plain cooking.'
JigSaws are my idea of nothing to do....I think it's Quite telling
that the Queen isn't at all fond of reading but prefers light telly.
Many would call her 'common' in those respects and a few call her a
Phillistine.
I liked the part of the article that said at least she doesn't have
intellectual pretensions like certain other members of her Family!!!
LOL
Karen Martin
Sponsored by
Sandy Hubbard and Andy Hatchett-Suppliers of Iniqitous Manure &
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Holly W.
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> > As for me, I grew up being dragged--oops, "taken"--to the symphony
> > as my parents always had season tickets and believed that children
> > should be encouraged to develop an interest in music. At first all I
> > learned was how to sit still and look interested, even when I was
> > bored out of my mind. But then I started to like it, especially
> > Chopin and Dvorak. Dvorak still remains one of my favorites, but I
> > also love Vivaldi and Haydn. And I will start crying whenever I hear
> > "Un Bel Di" from Madama Butterfly. As for other music, real
> > bluegrass, ABBA, Sheryl Crowe and Willie Nelson are favorites,and I am
> > a Gilbert and Sullivan fan.
>
> My parents took us to musicals when we were young -- they knew they couldn't
> get 6 children to sit through the symphony, or opera.
My mom and dad also took us to musical theatre--and I fell in love
with "South Pacific," "The Music Man," and Rodgers and Hammerstein's
"Cinderella." I collected as many musicals as I could on video, and
now I'm getting them on DVD. "Fiddler on the Roof" is my all-time
favorite musical!
So we all have an
> appreciation for musicals. I tried to get into opera -- one of my friends
> invited me to Madama Butterfly, and at the end, when the old woman stabs
> herself, I muttered "die already". I liked it in the beginning, but I have a
> hard time sitting through anything that's 3 hours long. I took my nephews to
> Hansel and Gretel -- it wasn't so bad, but it's not an experience I'd care
> to repeat.
>
> My high school Russian teacher got me hooked on Russian composers, like
> Glinka, Borodin, Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky, Rimksy-Korsakoff, and Mussorgsky.
> Mussorgsky's "Night on Bare/Bald Mountain" is my fave composition of all
> time.
I love that piece as well--along with Dvorak's Slavonic Dances,Opus
48, it is my favorite "rainy day" music which is guaranteed to lift
even the greyest day for me.
And while I recognise that artists like Beethoven, Mendelssohn,
> Mozart, Chopin, Bach, Brahms, and the like are all great artists, I've never
> been able to "get into" their works.
I "got into" Vivaldi because I used to play the viola in a high
school string quartet and really learned to appreciate his music. I
also love Bach but have never been able to really "get into" Brahms or
Liszt.
>
> Other music runs the gamut from country & western, heavy metal, hip-hop,
> blues, jazz, pop, rap, alternative, progressive -- anything but dance,
> trance, or electronica. I remember saying to my kid brother, as he was
> getting in to the "music" of BT, "that's not music; hell, I can fiddle with
> my computer". And he spouted off about how it was art and all this nonsense.
>
> Kelly
Electronica is not art as far as I'm concerned, although I do like
some of it in small doses!
Lethal Injectn
>Ah! I'm looking at 'Love Among the Ruins' even as I type. >>
The name didn't ring a bell with me at first so I looked it up and recognized
the painting. A beautiful piece and so evocative of the school/type. But, to
be honest, I prefer Rossetti's Monna Vanna, Persephone/Prosperine and
Ghirlandata.
In case other posters are curious about Rossetti, here are some links:
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/rossetti/beatrix.jpg
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/rossetti/ghirlandata.jpg
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/rossetti/monna-vanna.jpg
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/rossetti/prosperine.jpg
C.E. Metz-Longinette-Gahring
>
> Orff's "O Fortuna" segment of Carmina Burana is one of
> my most FAVORITE pieces ever. In fact, I firmly blame
> "O Fortuna" for a MASSIVE speed ticket I got.
OhJA. LOVE Orff's "O, Fortuna!"!!!! Love-it-love-it-LOVE-
IT. Also adore Gustav Holsts's "Die Planeten."
Und, natürlich, Wagners "Die Walkürenritt." :)
~ C.
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~ CEM-L-G
It might be nice, when everyone seems so terribly concerned
with praying for our enemies, if people remembered also to pray
for those who protect and defend us, thereby ensuring we have
freedoms to enjoy.
Jen Gutmaker
> From: "Atlantis Magazine" pe...@atlantis-magazine.com
>
>>
> isn't. >>
>
> Opera seems to be a highly acquired habit so that small aspect doesn't surprise
> me. I know many fans of classical music who are ambivalent about opera and I'm
> just a small minority.
I love it, although I admit that I am biased toward Italian opera over
German. I had season tickets to the Philadelphia Opera Company's
performances at the Academy of Music. I'm still annoyed that they
butchered the production of Carmen last season, I'm afraid (I like
French opera as well and am looking forward to their production of
Faust in another year or so). Essentially, they took the glamour out
of Carmen and set it in fascist era Spain, complete with drab, grey
costumes. Blech. I'm skipping the season tickets this fall, as they
are not producing anything of particular interest to me.
Throughout my childhood, I shuddered at the opera
> blazing in my house. I could appreciate a great voice like Jessie Norman's or
> the famous male tenors but a whole opera? The way my father listened to it in
> rapt fascination? Never. The last straw was seeing "Manon Lescaut" at the
> Met. Utterly awful experience and my tush aches just at the memory. It took
> much bullying, along with Carmen, the Barber of Seville and "O Fortuna" to make
> me slink back warily.
>
"O Fortuna" is quite a piece.
I'm a Puccini loyalist, so I shiver with delight upon hearing arias
from Madama Butterfly. "Nessun Dorma" from Turandot brings tears to my
eyes. I can listen to "O Mio Bambino Caro" from Gianni Schicci over
and over again.
> As to your more personal questions: On my end, it's a broad range of things
> musically: Gregorian chants, Depeche Mode, Beethoven, Mozart, Handel, Vivaldi,
> and Bach. Beethoven makes me keel over and die!!!!!!!!!!! So does anything
> involving the violin like one piece done by St. Saens (at least, I think it is
> by him) and definitely Bach's Double Violin concerto.
>
I enjoy Beethoven, especially the "Moonlight Sonata".
>
> As for art, my favorite artist is Dante Gabriel Rossetti, followed very closely
> by Monet, Van Gogh, Klimt, and then some pre-raphaelite painters.
I LOVE the pre-Raphaelites, especially Leighton and Waterhouse.
Jen Gutmaker
With regard to Carmen, UGH. That's similar to the Franco-inspired
production I saw last fall. Awful. They butchered it. Carmen is meant
to be glamorous and damn it, not set in the 20th century!
On a royal note, I've read that Empress Eugenie of France's mother,
Manuela, was the inspiring personality for Carmen (of the original
story).
JFlexer
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> lethal...@aol.com (Lethal Injectn) wrote in message
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> > From: "Atlantis Magazine" pe...@atlantis-magazine.com
> >
> >>
> > >But then, I'm a HUGE opera fan. I'm just really surprised that the
Queen
> > isn't. >>
> >
> > Opera seems to be a highly acquired habit so that small aspect doesn't
surprise
> > me. I know many fans of classical music who are ambivalent about opera
and I'm
> > just a small minority.
>
> I love it, although I admit that I am biased toward Italian opera over
> German.
I love Verde and Puccini and Mozart... I fell asleep two season's back
during Handel's Julius Caesar... I can't tolerate the heavy, repetitive
music with the disconnected vocals and nearly non-existent story... brrr...
and I've had considerable music training...
I LOVE La Boehme, Marriage of Figaro, Carmem... they are so clever - and
the stories are better...
I realize that they are often tragic, but some of the storylines are so bad,
they're humorous... I cannot imagine a woman in real life acting like
Aida... (but I liked the opera, more or less - except in the production I
saw that by the LA Opera, when they'd jump off the walls, there was clearly
a trampoline behind, as I saw a body part bounce back more than once.... it
was sooo funny, it looked like someone was trying to throw them back in!)
I find, when I see a new opera, I either LOVE it immediately, or cannot
abide by it...
I'd love to learn more and see more, but it is so expensive... and it is
pointless to see a cheaper production - you have to go to are 'real Opera'
to truly appreciate it.... the only thing worse than an inaccessible opera
is a badly performed opera...
-J
Nynthlyfe9
pointless to see a cheaper production - you have to go to are 'real Opera'
to truly appreciate it.... the only thing worse than an inaccessible opera
is a badly performed opera...
-J
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L A has changed so much.......50 years ago the only place one could see opera
was Pasadena,[and what a drive from Orange County that was.]
Today there are so many close places to see good, inexpensive Opera, including
Northridge, an excellent musicians college.
I think Opera is Hypnotic, and one is either hypnotized, or not.
Ballet, of course is my first love, and back in the 50s ballet was performed at
the Greek Theatre...another long schlep<sp>..