What Historical Royal Most Intrigues You?
Carol Farquhar
OK, I'll delurk again to pose a question totally unrelated
(so to speak) to Charles and Diana.
What past royal family member interests you the most?
I'm split between King Edward (?) and the Duke of
Windsor. I've often been curious about the
speculation that the DoW was sterile. I read
this in "The Fall of the House of Windsor. I
doubt some of the accuracy but the DoW did
die without issue. So, if he hadn't abdicated and remained
King and was sterile, who would have ascended the throne
after his death? Seems to me that Elizabeth would
still have become Queen.
Carol
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Carol Farquhar
carolf at advicom dot net
farquhar dash cc at redstone dot army dot mil
Nick
On 16 Dec 1997 09:57:23 -0600, car...@vespucci.advicom.net (Carol
Farquhar) wrote:
>OK, I'll delurk again to pose a question totally unrelated
>(so to speak) to Charles and Diana.
>
>What past royal family member interests you the most?
>I'm split between King Edward (?) and the Duke of
>Windsor. I've often been curious about the
>speculation that the DoW was sterile. I read
>this in "The Fall of the House of Windsor. I
>doubt some of the accuracy but the DoW did
>die without issue. So, if he hadn't abdicated and remained
>King and was sterile, who would have ascended the throne
>after his death? Seems to me that Elizabeth would
>still have become Queen.
Right. However, Elizabeth may very well have not married Phillip,
because that marriage was engineered by Mountbatten who desperately
wanted it. If she had married someone else, and had a child, that
child would be the Heir.
smith.
car...@vespucci.advicom.net (Carol Farquhar) wrote:
>OK, I'll delurk again to pose a question totally unrelated
>(so to speak) to Charles and Diana.
>
>What past royal family member interests you the most?
>I'm split between King Edward (?) and the Duke of
>Windsor. I've often been curious about the
>speculation that the DoW was sterile. I read
>this in "The Fall of the House of Windsor. I
>doubt some of the accuracy but the DoW did
>die without issue. So, if he hadn't abdicated and remained
>King and was sterile, who would have ascended the throne
>after his death? Seems to me that Elizabeth would
>still have become Queen.
>
>--
>Carol Farquhar
>carolf at advicom dot net
>farquhar dash cc at redstone dot army dot mil
--
Carol,that is a good question:
Since I am an American,the historical royals who interest me the
most are: Grace Kelly,Her Serene Highness of the Principality of
Monaco (she was a role model for me for motherhood) and also
the Duchess of Windsor who is *not* a role model for me,at least
I don't think she is :-)...if her marriage to the Duke of Windsor
was never consummated in the traditional sense,then I guess that
means she was not royal afterall,so that might mean she is not royal.
Donna
Patdwfsyte
In article <6768d3$8...@vespucci.advicom.net>, car...@vespucci.advicom.net
(Carol Farquhar) writes:
>
What past royal family member interests you the most?
I'm split between King
>Edward (?) and the Duke of
Windsor. I've often been curious about
>the
speculation that the DoW was sterile. I read
this in "The Fall of the
>House of Windsor. I
doubt some of the accuracy but the DoW did
die without
>issue. So, if he hadn't abdicated and remained
King and was sterile, who
>would have ascended the throne
after his death? Seems to me that Elizabeth
>would
still have become Queen.
Carol
I do not believe that as the Prince of Wales , David
,would have attempted to have any children outside of marriage with any of his
alliances. He did see Princess Marina of Greece for a short time in Paris but
there was no thought of having children as she was young and on the market for
one of the royal "boys" and needed to be " unspoiled treasure" but he returned
to his penchant for older married women . This was probably due to less fuss
surrounding the relationship with an aristocratic or noble man who had a dark
wife with clean lines and striking features . I believe that " David " did love
his married women , one at a time, and found such relationships much simpler to
manage and avoid the fuss which hit the modern Prince of Wales. There have been
the odd " lookalike " men claiming to be the sons of the Duke of Windsor as
well. I think that it would be fair to say that the Duke of Windsor never was
in a position in life to test out his ability to have children and so was most
likely a normal sexy man. ( much like famed author Greg King who is beyond the
norm in such technical judgements) { I will also say honestly that Peter Kurth
is a babe and one half as well }
Patricia
Marlene A. Koenig
Carol Farquhar <car...@vespucci.advicom.net> writes:
>speculation that the DoW was sterile. I read
>this in "The Fall of the House of Windsor. I
>doubt some of the accuracy but the DoW did
>die without issue. So, if he hadn't abdicated and remained
>King and was sterile, who would have ascended the throne
>after his death? Seems to me that Elizabeth would
>still have become Queen.
If the Duke of York still died in 1952, and his elder brother, the king
20 years later, Elizabeth would have been in the same position as
Victoria was -- she succeeded her uncle as her father died before her
(when she was an infant, infact),. The Gloucester story is nonsense
Morley
Nick <cho...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<3496a7e0...@news.spectranet.ca>...
> On 16 Dec 1997 09:57:23 -0600, car...@vespucci.advicom.net (Carol
> Farquhar) wrote:
>
> >OK, I'll delurk again to pose a question totally unrelated
> >(so to speak) to Charles and Diana.
> >
> >What past royal family member interests you the most?
> >I'm split between King Edward (?) and the Duke of
> >Windsor. I've often been curious about the
> >speculation that the DoW was sterile. I read
> >this in "The Fall of the House of Windsor. I
> >doubt some of the accuracy but the DoW did
> >die without issue. So, if he hadn't abdicated and remained
> >King and was sterile, who would have ascended the throne
> >after his death? Seems to me that Elizabeth would
> >still have become Queen.
>
> Right. However, Elizabeth may very well have not married Phillip,
> because that marriage was engineered by Mountbatten who desperately
> wanted it. If she had married someone else, and had a child, that
> child would be the Heir.
The claims about Mountbatten's engineering of the Philip-Elizabeth marriage
are certainly heavily reported and there were also claims that he had hoped
to introduce India Hicks as a suitable bride for the PoW. There seems
little doubt however, that Princess Elizabeth was deeply in love with
Prince Philip and quite determined to marry him. If I remember rightly my
reading on the matter (I was quite young when it all happened, says she
coyly!) the late King took the Princess away on a Tour to give her time for
reflection, as he was rather anxious that her decision had been made too
quickly and too young. Morley
MysteryGde
>>>I doubt some of the accuracy but the DoW did
>>>die without issue.
I think it would probably be more accurate to speculate that it was Wallis who
may have been sterile -- she was married a couple of times before and didn't
have children, while the Duke was never married before so there's no reason why
he should have had children (of course, Wallis may well have decided she didn't
want children, but that's another story).Then, by the time Wallis and Edward
married, I believe they were both in their forties (is this correct?) and
doctors at that time strongly discouraged women from having children at such a
"late" age.
I have heard, though, that Edward was rather underwhelming physically (royal
biographers quote friends who used to go to school with him and saw him naked),
so IF THIS IS TRUE, that may be were the stories about his being sterile
started.
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Marlene A. Koenig
"Morley" <sw...@farm.demon.co.uk> writes:
>to introduce India Hicks as a suitable bride for the PoW. There seems
India was one of the bridal attendants at Charles and Diana's wedding
Susan Cohen
Marlene A. Koenig wrote:
The Amanda/Charles alliance was a pet project of the late Earl Mountbatten
of Burma, who wanted a descendant of his on the English throne. Dynast
though he was, Prince Philip saw no problem with the situation, as it would
have given Charles a working partner who understood how "things were."
Charles, however, was not in love with Amanda, & the idea of the match
didn't survive Mountbatten.
Morley
Thanks Marlene. Of course. India would have taken the words 'child bride'
into another dimension altogether!
Marlene A. Koenig <mako...@delphi.com> wrote in article
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Carol Farquhar
myste...@aol.com (MysteryGde) writes:
>I have heard, though, that Edward was rather underwhelming physically (royal
>biographers quote friends who used to go to school with him and saw him naked),
>so IF THIS IS TRUE, that may be were the stories about his being sterile
>started.
I read that the DoW had mumps while a teenager and this rendered him
sterile and delayed physical maturity. I question the accuracy
of the source I read, is there any confirmation to the mumps question ?
Marlene A. Koenig
Ml7601 <ml7...@aol.com> writes:
>I have seen Peter Kurth on TV and must concur, he is *two* babes on the rating
>scale...(drool) :-).....does anyone know if he is married, I understand he
>posts to ATR sometimes.........
He's not married at this time -- and he's even better looking in real
life (He's a good friend of mine)
Ml7601
On Tue, Dec 16, 1997 12:48 EST, patdw...@aol.com (Patdwfsyte) wrote:
>most
>likely a normal sexy man. ( much like famed author Greg King who is beyond
>the
>norm in such technical judgements) { I will also say honestly that Peter
>Kurth
>is a babe and one half as well }
>
>Patricia
I have seen Peter Kurth on TV and must concur, he is *two* babes on the rating
scale...(drool) :-).....does anyone know if he is married, I understand he
posts to ATR sometimes.........
Mel
Susan Cohen
I made a silly mistake in here -
Susan Cohen wrote:
> The Amanda/Charles alliance was a pet project of the late Earl Mountbatten
> of Burma, who wanted a descendant of his on the English throne. Dynast
> though he was,
the "he" actually refers to Mountbatten.
Patdwfsyte
Susan Cohen wrote:
.................being at alt.gossip means always having
to be silly .
Patricia
smith.
Susan Cohen <ze...@smart.net> wrote:
>I made a silly mistake in here -
>
>Susan Cohen wrote:
>
>> The Amanda/Charles alliance was a pet project of the late Earl Mountbatten
>> of Burma, who wanted a descendant of his on the English throne. Dynast
>> though he was,
>
>the "he" actually refers to Mountbatten.
>
>> Prince Philip saw no problem with the situation, as it would
>> have given Charles a working partner who understood how "things were."
>> Charles, however, was not in love with Amanda, & the idea of the match
>> didn't survive Mountbatten.
>
>
>
And they are closely related,oh I forgot,that is a plus,not
a minus.
Patdwfsyte
In article <67bn8b$mp5$9...@204.179.92.96>, "smith." <st...@magpage.com.nospam>
writes:
> Prince Philip saw no problem with the situation, as it would
>> have given
>Charles a working partner who understood how "things were."
>> Charles,
>however, was not in love with Amanda, & the idea of the match
>> didn't
>survive Mountbatten.
>
>
>
And they are closely related,oh I forgot,that
>is a plus,not
a minus.
Prince Charles thought that she was not good looking
and was too fat , in fact later after the media printed such thoughts later
with a Palace denial following Amanda sucessfully sued the publication which
repeated Charles' too fat remark. Cool Prince , always the right phrase on the
tip of his tongue.
Patricia
smith.
Not good looking enough and too fat,oh I love it....
What did he say about Tricia Nixon and Caroline of Monaco?
I bet he wanted a Bond girl in his fantasies! He did date an
actress,Susan George? And she was a friend of Kanga? DSS
Susan Cohen
Ml7601 wrote:
Why is it that I always miss these specials? Of course, I'm more just curious to
see what everyone looks like, but it is maddening!
Susan