New Picture of HM on Canada $20 note
Breton
Sept. The new bill features a new portrait of HM, and incorporates a
substantial number of anti- counterfeiting measures. The link below
gives more info, unfortunately excluding any info on the artwork
relating to HM.
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/banknotes/general/character/2001-05_20.htm
poetman
>The Royal Canadian Mint will be issuing a new $20 note by the end of Sept.
Ha ha ha!!! Nice one. Let's keep rubbing salt into the wounds of any Indians
over there who still have the audacity to call the English 'murdering
land-grabbers'. Long live the Queen - God bless her!
Christopher Buyers
English?
I thought there were a fair proportion of Scots and French?
poetman
>English? I thought there were a fair proportion of Scots and French?
Well, as far as I know the French occupied a little land here and there
solely to enable harmonious trading with the Indians. The French got their
nuggets of pure gold - and the Indians were more than happy with their
coloured beads from Paris. Everything was idyllic - until the English walked
up the beaches with their suitcases filled with Bibles looking for a piece
of the cake. That's when the fighting and slaughtering started. Even today
there are demonstrations when the Queen graces Canada with a royal visit.
The protesters usually line the streets with their backs to the road. One
can only imagine how they must feel when seeing that face staring out from
every banknote. As for the Scots - I think they were more interested in
where their next haggis was coming from.
Lee Montgomery
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> Christopher Buyers wrote:
>>English? I thought there were a fair proportion of Scots and French?
>
> Everything was idyllic - until
> the English walked up the beaches with their suitcases filled with
> Bibles looking for a piece of the cake. That's when the fighting and
> slaughtering started.
Well-versed in Canadian history, are you?
> Even today there are demonstrations when the
> Queen graces Canada with a royal visit. The protesters usually line
> the streets with their backs to the road.
That's very odd; having seen HM The Queen in Canada a number of times, my
impression was that the protesters usually demonstrate their disapproval
by energetically waving small paper Canadian flags and striking the palms
of their hands together rhythmically. Every now and then, a particularly
incensed citizen will feel moved to shout that revolutionary slogan, "God
Save Yer Majesty!". But then, I can only speak for the Canada that lies
largely between the Atlantic and Pacific north of the 49th parallel.
Perhaps you were referring to another.
> One can only imagine how
> they must feel when seeing that face staring out from every banknote.
Indeed, just as you say, one can only imagine.
Shaun Redmond
another missed opportunity to promote Canadian Heroes or history - why
the Queen - why not someone who did something for Canada, like David
Thompson the mapmaker or better still Tecumseh the Indian Chief.
History tells us that Canada would not have existed had it not been
for this Chief (from the USA) who led the Natives against the American
Forces. Even Thompson was married to a Native – so a meeting of the
old and new worlds.
Surely after all these years it's time for Canada to start
commemorating their own and not the Queen who does not live here and
didn't come from here.
I support the Monarchy and Queen, as a figure head – but let's
promote Canada, its people and culture
Shaun
Breton
> Christopher Buyers wrote:
> >English? I thought there were a fair proportion of Scots and French?
>
> Well, as far as I know the French occupied a little land here and there
> solely to enable harmonious trading with the Indians. The French got their
> nuggets of pure gold - and the Indians were more than happy with their
> coloured beads from Paris. Everything was idyllic - until the English walked
> up the beaches with their suitcases filled with Bibles looking for a piece
> of the cake. That's when the fighting and slaughtering started.
Normally I don't respond to trolls, but, just for the record:
The original French settlers were also busy converting the "Indians"
to Catholicism. The English didn't "walk up the beach". French Canada
was attacked because Britain was at war with the French, and in war
one of the things you do is attack your opponent's possessions. After
New France was ceded to Britain, both the Indians AND the
French-speaking settlors' rights were recognized by the Crown. So the
only fighting and slaughtering was a military battle between the
English and the French. The Indians, per se, were not involved.
> Even today
> there are demonstrations when the Queen graces Canada with a royal visit.
> The protesters usually line the streets with their backs to the road. One
> can only imagine how they must feel when seeing that face staring out from
> every banknote.
Laughingly wrong! I can't remember the last time there was a demo
against HM's presence, although it is true she hasn't visited Quebec
in a long time and there were demos. It has to be said, though, that
few in Quebec doubt the integrity etc of HM. Some do see her as
embodying the "conquest" and not being Canadian enough. However, I can
assure you that her picture on the $20 bill is not controversial at
all. Like any of us, the French speakers know who their head of state
is. They may want to change that, but, for now, there is no opposition
to her image being on our money (in fact, on every coin as well).
> where their next haggis was coming from.
On the contrary: the Scots immigrants to Montreal became wealthy
entrepreneurs, bankers, and so forth. They were probably better off
than the English.
Breton
Armin Arm
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> Surely after all these years it's time for Canada to start
> commemorating their own and not the Queen who does not live here and
> didn't come from here.
That can't be done elsewhere than on the currency, eh?
> I support the Monarchy and Queen, as a figure head – but let's
> promote Canada, its people and culture
As a figurehead whose portrait no longer hangs in schools, post offices
or government offices, is not mentioned in the Oath of Citizenship or the
Oath of Allegiance taken by MPs, government officials and military
officers, and whose image does not appear on the money. Some figurehead.
Some monarchy.
No thanks. We don't need to start putting dead presidents on our money.
I don't acutally believe there is much need to promote Canada, its people
and culture any more than is already done - Canada, its people and its
culture are strong, vibrant and secure, whatever the worryworts say.
What we need to do is celebrate ourselves - not our "land", but the
heritage and institutions that make us what we are. And the insitution
and heritage central to that identity is the one represented by that lady
whose face appears on (some of) our money. My Canada includes the
monarchy.
Armin Arm
> why not someone who did something for Canada
One more thing - I take it you are implying that in the fifty-two years of
her reign as Canada's queen, Elizabeth II has not done something for her
country?
h.sanders
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> old and new worlds.
> > Surely after all these years it's time for Canada to start
> commemorating their own and not the Queen who does not live here and
> didn't come from here.
>
> promote Canada, its people and culture
> >
> Shaun
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Maybe you could start with Alan Thicke.
Hal S.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
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> another missed opportunity to promote Canadian Heroes or history - why
> the Queen - why not someone who did something for Canada, like David
> Thompson the mapmaker or better still Tecumseh the Indian Chief.
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> Surely after all these years it's time for Canada to start
> commemorating their own and not the Queen who does not live here and
> didn't come from here.
>
> I support the Monarchy and Queen, as a figure head - but let's
> promote Canada, its people and culture
Apparently Shaun has never seen Canadian banknotes. The $5, $10, and $100
notes feature portraits of former prime ministers (Sir Wilfrid Laurier, Sir
John A. Macdonald, and Sir Robert Laird Borden respectively). There's a new
$50 bill coming out this fall, and I'm not sure whose portrait will be on
that one (Mackenzie King was on the old one). Canada no longer prints $1 or
$2 notes.
The back side of each note shows a Canadian theme: children playing in the
snow, "remembrance and peacekeeping", "arts and culture" on the $20
(sculpture of the late great Haida artist Bill Reid and a quotation from a
novel of Gabrielle Roy), "exploration and innovation" (acheivements in
cartography and communications).
In 1986 the bank note series featured the "birds of Canada" on the back
sides and the usual portraits of prime ministers and Her Majesty on the
front: robins, kingfisher, osprey, loon, snowy owl, Canada goose, and pine
grosbeaks (on the $1000 bill). I don't think Canada prints denominations
larger than $100 any more.
And so it goes. I won't try anyone's patience by describing them all, but
from 1954 onward they often quite beautiful and depictive of the country. If
we actually look at the historic Canadian bank notes, we find wonderful
references to Canadian figures, scenes, national monuments (Parliament Hill
on the 1969-1979 $1 bill, for example), and achievements. And Her Majesty is
still among them.
It was, btw, the original design of this last named series called for Her
Majesty's portrait on all denominations, but the Minister of Finance asked
for the inclusion of ministerial portraits to enhance nationa identity.
And while I'm at it, I might as well mention the 1935 series, which was
issued in French and English versions (all subsequent series have been
bilingual). It also featured portraits of members of the Royal Family, His
Majesty George V, Her Majesty Queen Mary, Edward Prince of Wales, Princess
Mary, Princess Elizabeth, the Duke of York, the Duke of Gloucester, and a
couple of prime ministers (the first PM and the first French-Canadian PM) to
fill out the run.
--
Frank in Seattle
___________
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Gillian White
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> Apparently Shaun has never seen Canadian banknotes. The $5, $10, and $100
> notes feature portraits of former prime ministers (Sir Wilfrid Laurier,
Sir
> John A. Macdonald, and Sir Robert Laird Borden respectively). There's a
new
> $50 bill coming out this fall, and I'm not sure whose portrait will be on
> that one (Mackenzie King was on the old one). Canada no longer prints $1
or
> $2 notes.
I suspect that Mackenzie King will be on the new one as well. They haven't
changed the basic content on any of the other new notes, although they have
greatly improved the portraits :-)
> And so it goes. I won't try anyone's patience by describing them all, but
> from 1954 onward they often quite beautiful and depictive of the country.
If
> we actually look at the historic Canadian bank notes, we find wonderful
> references to Canadian figures, scenes, national monuments (Parliament
Hill
> on the 1969-1979 $1 bill, for example), and achievements. And Her Majesty
is
> still among them.
The Bank of Canada website describes the different bill series :
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/banknotes/general/character/
I love the 1969 - 1979 series of bills - they look like 'proper' money,
unlike some current currencies, which look as if they were produced on an
inkjet printer :-) We still get them from time to time, usually in
remarkably good condition.
This is a particular favourite of mine from the 1935 series :
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/banknotes/general/character/1935_20.htm. Do
you think they knew then that this little girl was the future Head of State?
Gillian
poetman
>Normally I don't respond to trolls, . . .
Just my bad luck - huh?
>. . . but, just for the record: . . . the only fighting and slaughtering
was a military battle between the English and the French. The Indians, per
se, were not involved.
The peaceful Beothuk Indians were "shot down like deer" by the English
invading Canada - just for the record. But no doubt the history books are
just yarns written by those damned trolls.
>Laughingly wrong! I can't remember the last time there was a demo against
HM's presence, although it is true she hasn't visited Quebec in a long time
and there were demos.
Well, she's not a regular visitor to Quebec - especially after the welcome
she got in 1964. Over two decades passed before she picked up the courage to
give it another try. And you laugh?
>. . . Scots immigrants to Montreal became wealthy entrepreneurs, bankers,
and so forth.
I know. Anything but manual work. Not much changes does it.
Shaun Redmond
Shaun has indeed seen Canadian banknotes! That's why he suggests
putting some Aboriginal Canadians on them (or related Aboriginal
people). Seems that are always left out when it come to things like
that. At least the RCMP made it on a $50.00, maybe Jerry Potts was
amongst them, every generation of his family have served in the Force
since he first brought the NWMP out west, he was a Metis Scout - I
happen to like the Monarchy and as a Canadian Forces Officer have
sworn my allegiance to HM the Queen. But as a Aboriginal Canadian I
think we missed another chance to promote Canada's Native People. Our
Queen gets lots of attention - she is on all the small change in my
pocket, which seems to be the bulk of the money I have left after
paying the bills etc (yes I even pay the Tax man). As for Politicians
- you can keep them - you mention Sir John A. who sent his Armies into
our Territory and had such great accomplishments as using the Gattling
Gun on my people. My Mohawk Brothers were allies to the Crown not it's
Subjects. My own people are counted amongst Canada's First Peoples but
we are Canadians First. It would be nice to be included in Canada's
multicultural makeup, but to date we have hundreds of years of
colonialism and assimilation. What better way to promote Canada's
people by putting some famous Natives on the front of our Bills
Shaun
George Lucki
I agree with you about the need to celebrate our Aboriginal heritage. It is
inconceivable to think of Canada without reference to the First Nations. I
think if you look at the back of the $20 bill in question you will be
pleased to see the some beautiful Aboriginal themes as found in the
brilliant contemporary Haida art, of the late Bill Reid. This is a start.
Perhaps we'll eventually see Louis Riel (hanged as a traitor and honoured as
a hero) gracing one of the bills. But, I think it is unfair to criticize
this $20 bill when it does finally break new ground in recognizing the
reality of Canada's First Nations.
Kind regards, George Lucki
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/banknotes/general/character/2001-05_20b.htm
The following is taken from that page:
The artwork of Bill Reid (1920-1998), inspired by the Haida culture of
Canada's northwest coast, was chosen to represent this theme.
Internationally recognized as one of Canada's most accomplished artists,
Bill Reid embraced many art forms during his career. His magnificent works
range from the intricate to the monumental-woodcarvings, exquisite
jewellery, beautiful prints, and massive sculptures. Depicted on the new $20
note are The Spirit of Haida Gwaii, The Raven and the First Men, The Grizzly
Bear, and Mythic Messengers. Bill Reid was a mentor, and his work continues
to inspire Canadian artists in all fields.
The accompanying quote is an excerpt from Gabrielle Roy's novel, The Hidden
Mountain* and reminds us that arts and culture define who we are, as well as
the system of beliefs, values, and customs that we share.
* This quote was used by permission, McClelland & Stewart Ltd. The Canadian
Publishers.
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Frank R.A.J. Maloney
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Probably not since Edward Prince of Wales is also portrayed in the same
series. The Duke of York certainly wasn't expecting to be king in 1935. I do
like the royal family other than the sovereign and his consort be depicted
in this series. What I don't like is the very boring allegories on the back
sides. Allegories haven't engaged my imagination since "Pilgrim's Progress"
and "The Faerie Queene".
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
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I was lucky enough to see a version of The Spirit of Haida Gwaii on display
outside the Emily Carr School in Vancouver (an earlier version is at the
Canadian Embassy in Washington) as well as Raven and the First Men at the
University of British Columbia's Museum of Anthropology, as well as numerous
other works at various venues. There's a memorial page dedicated to Reid at
the Museum of Civilization's web site,
http://www.civilisations.ca/aborig/reid/reid01e.html , for those interested.
I would certainly endorse the idea of trading a few PMs for some First
Nation people as long as there's still room for Her Majesty on one of more
widely circulated bills.
George Lucki
Dear Frank in Seattle
I'm in absolute agreement with what you say. Yes - anyone visiting the
Vancouver Canada area should take the time to see Bill Reid's work at the
UBC Museum of Anthropology - and even more take some time to explore and
learn more about the rich heritage of the Coastal nations.
Kind regards,
George in Edmonton
Rafal Heydel-Mankoo
> "poetman" <su...@online.no> wrote in message news:<BCGYc.4049$WW4....@news4.e.nsc.no>...
> > Christopher Buyers wrote:
> > >English? I thought there were a fair proportion of Scots and French?
> >
> > Well, as far as I know the French occupied a little land here and there
> > solely to enable harmonious trading with the Indians. The French got their
> > nuggets of pure gold - and the Indians were more than happy with their
> > coloured beads from Paris. Everything was idyllic - until the English walked
> > up the beaches with their suitcases filled with Bibles looking for a piece
> > of the cake. That's when the fighting and slaughtering started. Even today
> > there are demonstrations when the Queen graces Canada with a royal visit.
> > The protesters usually line the streets with their backs to the road. One
> > can only imagine how they must feel when seeing that face staring out from
> > every banknote. As for the Scots - I think they were more interested in
> > where their next haggis was coming from.
>
>
>
> another missed opportunity to promote Canadian Heroes or history - why
> the Queen - why not someone who did something for Canada, like David
> Thompson the mapmaker or better still Tecumseh the Indian Chief.
> History tells us that Canada would not have existed had it not been
> for this Chief (from the USA) who led the Natives against the American
> old and new worlds.
>
> Surely after all these years it's time for Canada to start
> commemorating their own and not the Queen who does not live here and
> didn't come from here.
The Queen only appears on the $20. The 5,10,50 and 100 bills display
other famous canadians (Laurier, Macdonald, Mackenzie King and
Borden).
>
> I support the Monarchy and Queen, as a figure head ? but let's
> promote Canada, its people and culture
Canada does promote its people and culture. However the monarchy is
part of Canadian culture and the Queen is the Sovereign of the
Canadian people.
Personally I would prefer the Sovereign to appear on the front of
every bill rather than just the $20 bill. The back of the bill should
be used to feature famous Canadians.
Breton
> Breton wrote:
> >Normally I don't respond to trolls, . . .
>
> Just my bad luck - huh?
>
> >. . . but, just for the record: . . . the only fighting and slaughtering
> was a military battle between the English and the French. The Indians, per
> se, were not involved.
>
> The peaceful Beothuk Indians were "shot down like deer" by the English
> invading Canada - just for the record. But no doubt the history books are
> just yarns written by those damned trolls.
The Beothuks were in Newfoundland, not Quebec, and their demise had
nothing to do with New France.
> >Laughingly wrong! I can't remember the last time there was a demo against
> HM's presence, although it is true she hasn't visited Quebec in a long time
> and there were demos.
>
> Well, she's not a regular visitor to Quebec - especially after the welcome
> she got in 1964. Over two decades passed before she picked up the courage to
> give it another try. And you laugh?
Again, wrong. She visited Montreal again in 1967 when Expo 67 was on,
and again in 1976 to open the Montreal Olympics. so yes, I laugh. Try
again.
> >. . . Scots immigrants to Montreal became wealthy entrepreneurs, bankers,
> and so forth.
>
> I know. Anything but manual work. Not much changes does it.
What's your point?
Breton
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