> The Earl of Wessex has now been appointed Colonel of the Royal Wessex
> Yeomanry.
is this a military unit? I had thought he was deferring from such
appointments but was under pressure to accept some; with the QM and PM gone,
the family is running out of people to honor regiments with, it seems.
js
It's part of the TA, I think (Territorial Army) which is a sort of Reserve.
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Sacha
His wife has also received an appointment:
Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps, of which Princess Margaret
was formerly Colonel.
PK
and more information will be found at:
www.regiments.org/milhidt/uk/cav-yeo/england/3Wessex.htm
Clicking on the right of 'Honorary Colonels': 'Index of Royal Colonels'
and then clicking on their names will show that the Queen is Honorary
Colonel (or equivalent) of 89 British and Commonwealth military units,
and Prince Charles, 26 - so far!
Gordon
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"The Earl of Wessex has now been appointed Colonel of the Royal Wessex
Yeomanry."
This is a bit rich considering the royal wimp couldn't hack it for more than
a few months in the Royal Marines before he chickened out.
The first time he's seen in uniform his chest will be festooned with an
array of honours and awards the royals exchange between each other..
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Can't agree with that. Edward isn't the Royal wimp...at least he knows
his mind and is able to ACT upon it, popular or not.
PK
Edward doesn't mind taking flack for his decisions nor telling the
press and his oldest Brother to leave his Wife alone.
The eldest is the wimp who was said to have been a great pain in the
neck to officers in the RN who had to babysit for several years and
prop him up....a man who never stands up for another person nor is
capable of an independent decision.
PK
> Can't agree with that. Edward isn't the Royal wimp...at least he knows
> his mind and is able to ACT upon it, popular or not.
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....And I wonder how long many critics of Prince Edward would have lasted in
the Royal Marines. Many volunteer, few make it. Surely we should all know
by now that average toughness, even much better than average toughness, is
still not enough for that elite unit.
We live in trouble times for anyone who might be considered a 'prominent'
person in any way. How many 'wimps' would run the possible risk, almost
daily, of being a terrorist sniper's target. And don't tell me that there
are always armed police in attendance. We have all seen the exposed nature
of these 'royal walkabouts'. If Edward - or any members of the Royal
Family, for that matter - were the selected target, a determined, suicidal
gunman, or a suicide bomber in the crowd, would risk an attempt on their
lives.
G. Roberts
Gee! Life's tough being a royal.
Let's give him a medal.
Reiver
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It was courageous of him to decide to come out of the Royal Marines because
it was a hard decision to take, knowing that he would be the focus of a lot
of nasty gossip. I think it's a shame he decided on that regiment in the
first place and I also think it's a shame he didn't stay in. But to admit
publicly to having made a bad career choice took guts.
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Sacha
> Can't agree with that. Edward isn't the Royal wimp...at least he knows
> his mind and is able to ACT upon it, popular or not.
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I often wonder how long many critics of Edward would have lasted in the
Royal Marines? We all know that to aspire entry into this elite branch of
the services one has to be exceptionally tough. It tends to be conveniently
forgotten that Prince Edward had already passed the necessary entrance
fitness tests and had then served three years part-time in the Marines
whilst at University before deciding, after a further four months full-time
service, that he did not wish to make it a lifetime career.
As we all know, even for 'ordinary' people sudden death can come slamming in
from the sky and a short, rush-hour bus journey can be into eternity. And
those who - for whatever reason and to whatever degree of office - are
considered 'prominent', the risk of a being a terrorist's target is much
greater. Prince Edward is hardly a 'wimp' when - along with other members
of the Royal Family - he puts himself almost daily into a possible firing
line. And don't tell me that he and the Royal Family have armed police in
attendance. We have all seen those 'royal walk-abouts'. They are a
security nightmare! Who knows when one of them will be on a fanatic's
target list for that day, determined at any cost to gain a passport to
Paradise?
Returning to the 'wimp' accusation. When I was called up, an old soldier
gave me this advice: "Never volunteer for anything, always keep your head
down, and remember that a foxhole can never be too deep"! Edward not only
sticks his head above the parapet, he stands up and walks along it!
G. Roberts
When you were "called up!" You mean you didn't volunteer when your king and
country needed you. A reluctant warrior indeed!
But I expect the Wessex Yeomanry'll be honoured to have a royal as their
colonel even if he couldn't be a soldier himself. I seem to recall that the
Yeomanry were traditionally recruited from the huntin' and shootin'
fraternity .I never soldiered (after volunteering) with the Yeomanry but I'm
sure they were good chaps.
Walking the parapet indeed! You're an incurable romantic GR and most
incurable romantics I've met are old women.
His mother will next be making him an admiral and what parapet will he walk
on a ship me wonders! And when made Marshall of the Royal Air Force he's
really gonna be stuck for parapets.
Walks the parapet. Ye Gods!
Reiver
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Are you implying that Randy Andy and wot's 'er name are at it?
Mind you. I wouldn't be surprised.
Reiver
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> When you were "called up!" You mean you didn't volunteer when your king
and
> country needed you. A reluctant warrior indeed!
> Reiver
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Well, since you ask, I did volunteer at 13+ for the Durham Light Infantry
(school leaving age was then 14 and I would have been eligible to enter the
Army as a Boy Soldier), but the Recruiting Sergeant recommended otherwise.
He pointed out that it would have to be in another regiment where I could
learn a 'trade' and it would also mean that I would have to sign up for 21
years. However, if I wanted to serve my King and Country, all I really
needed to do was wait a few years and get an education; my time would come.
Which it did! All in all, I was in the services for five years eight
months: in the Royal Artillery and in the Durham Light Infantry.
I have a lot of respect for the apparent 'wimps' of this world who, when
push came to shove, could hurl a granade - or even a well-placed, empty beer
bottle when amunition ran out! - like the fittest, regular soldier.
Out of interest, how long were you in the Services?
G. Roberts
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I rarely talk about the days I trailed a musket. Sufficient to say that I
hurled a few 36's, bruised my shoulder with the PIAT and emptied a few beer
bottles. (When we could get it.)
But that was many years ago when I was green enough to drink the loyal
toast.
And the old soldier gave you good advice about keeping your head down. We
had a saying, "old soldier = windy soldier." As you say thay never
volunteered for anything.
Sorry I called you an old woman. If you were in the DLIs you must (have
been) a good chap.What happened?
Reiver
I too left school when I was 14.
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Good points all.
Edward is quite the Star here in the States. His "Crown and Country"
series is considered top-notch entertainment and very well presented.
Children are fond of the films as well because of the naturalness of
the True stories [although he might throw in a haunting of Hampton
Court or two just for fun] and the casual way in which they are
presented....not as Lessons but as the Great Unfolding of a Glittering
and Gory History that they indeed are.
http://www.kqed.org/programs/program-landing.jsp?progID=7859
Just made me think of the shots of Swann Upping...and the awful
stories in the papers at the weekend concerning the Barbecuing of HM's
protected creatures. I must add that if refugees or anyone else for
that matter is hungry, they must somehow be provided for so that they
might not be tempted to resort to theft and worse...I know that's not
realistic, but it should be!!
PK
And this is the chap who said he wouldn't capitalise on his royal
connections. It's the only way the Wimp can make it. And remember the
St.Andrew's University betrayal?
Reiver
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I didn't intend to give the impression I *left* school at 14. I had failed
the 11+ and went to (what they called in County Durham then) the local
Senior School. At 13+ I was at a career loose end, so that's why I went
along to the Recruiting Office. It was very fortunate that I was turned
away. A few weeks later I found that I had won a 14+ place in the grammar
school! And escaped 21 years in the Army!
Not that I have anything against the Army. Our elder daughter is a
commissioned officer. The Army is a great career - especially in peacetime.
But one should always bear in mind that one day you might have to meet nasty
people who do not necessarily have your enduring best health in mind !!!
G. Roberts
I didn't read about THAT !! Someone bar-b-qued a royal swan ?
Well, we must agree to disagree about the monarchy and I look forward to
more cut and thrust.
Now had the Earl of Wessex been made a Kentucky Fried Chicken colonel I'd
have no objection and in fact I'd consider it quite appropriate.
(My earlier reference to "chickening out of his military training.")
In spite of all his advantages he still hasn't succeeded in anything and
it's rumoured that he even required medical help to become a daddy. I still
think he's a Wimp.
Reiver
I see you have a commissioned daughter. I went to 164 Infantry OCTU from
Parkhall Camp, Oswestry. (Previously a R.A. camp - Heavy Ack Ack Mobile I
seem to recall..)
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> Reiver
> I see you have a commissioned daughter. I went to 164 Infantry OCTU from
> Parkhall Camp, Oswestry. (Previously a R.A. camp - Heavy Ack Ack Mobile I
> seem to recall..)
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Did my basic training there. Only saw 25-pounders at Parkhall - which we
trained on (and shouted "bang") and polished. (The proper bangs were
reserved for Trawsfynydd!)
It's all gone now. Not even a single brick of a single 'spider' to be seen
when I last drove past. Just open fields on either side of the Oswestry
bypass, which seems to cut a swathe through the site. It was hard to get
any true bearings. But the huge Iron Age fort with its multi-ringed
defences still dominates the landscape. (It looked so deceptively close
that one Sunday afternoon I thought I would take an hour's, bee-line,
pleasant stroll to the top and back. It took me four hours to negotiate the
boggy ditches and steep ramparts. Missed tea *and* had to spend the rest of
the evening sponging, cleaning, drying and pressing my muddy trousers!)
Now you know why I failed WOSB. Soggy boots! (And they still are!!)
Gordon
Ah! Tinkers (Green) Halt. I recall we, naughtily, used to travel without a
railway ticket and at Tinkers Halt the carriage doors on the fields side
would open and disgorge dozens of ticket collector dodgers and very few
doors on the platform side would open and those with legitimate passes would
alight.
I don't recollect much about Parkhall Camp. I recall the spider
accommodation, Whittington Castle (I walked out with a local girl whose
father was caretaker (or something) there. the proximity of a hospital and a
canal. We had our passing out shindig in an hotel in Oswestry We also did
infantry training at Trawsfynydd and elsewhere.. I did WOSB at Saighton
Camp near Chester, 148 pre-OCTU at Wrotham in Kent and then 164 OCTU at
Trentham Park, Staffs.
Reiver
I still think Edward's a Wimp.We did a battle camp with the Royal Marines at
Bridestow (??) on Dartmoor in mid winter.. One of my less disgusting
memories was using snowballs in lieu of toilet paper. That would have
chilled the royal bum. (The pun on bum is intentional.)
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> Ah! Tinkers (Green) Halt. I recall we, naughtily, used to travel without a
> railway ticket and at Tinkers Halt the carriage doors on the fields side
> would open and disgorge dozens of ticket collector dodgers and very few
> doors on the platform side would open and those with legitimate passes
would
> alight.
>
> I don't recollect much about Parkhall Camp. I recall the spider
> accommodation, Whittington Castle (I walked out with a local girl whose
> father was caretaker (or something) there. the proximity of a hospital and
a
> canal. We had our passing out shindig in an hotel in Oswestry We also did
> infantry training at Trawsfynydd and elsewhere.. I did WOSB at Saighton
> Camp near Chester, 148 pre-OCTU at Wrotham in Kent and then 164 OCTU at
> Trentham Park, Staffs.
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> Reiver
> I still think Edward's a Wimp.We did a battle camp with the Royal Marines
at
> Bridestow (??) on Dartmoor in mid winter.. One of my less disgusting
> memories was using snowballs in lieu of toilet paper. That would have
> chilled the royal bum. (The pun on bum is intentional.)
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Would that be Bridestowe at Okehampton? You weren't very enterprising! A
right, thick shower of bums you all were! If you'd grubbed down through the
snow you would have found grass or moss (like the Saami). Much, much softer
and more efficacious. Or you could have torn a handkerchief and (as the
Romans did with their personal sponges), washed it out in the snow for later
use.
Look, my old plunderer, you and I know that if you are not blessed with the
stamina of a sea-faring Charles Atlas, choosing to go into the Royal Marines
is probably one of the two worse choices of having a military career. The
other one would have been the Paras. Now, I don't know what County
regiments were still extant at the time, but he could have made a thoroughly
decent officer had he been in, say, the Somerset Light Infantry (now a coy.
of the Wessex Regiment, I believe) or the Royal Green Jackets or whatever.
Or in the Royal Artillery, or REME. If he had any aptitude for languages
such as Russian, after gaining his degree he could have gone into the RIC
(if that still exists). But, no. It had to be a regiment with some
perceived prestige. And, I suppose, with our national snobbery, had he gone
into a County regiment etc., can't you just hear the criticism and read the
sniping in the press?
My wife and I went to see the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh when they came
to Liverpool last year. Castle Street was packed and people were standing
in every window and on balconies. Some were even climbing up the walls to
get a better view. It really was a security nightmare! I thought, if I'd
been in their position, I wouldn't even get out of bed these days! But
people expect royal walkabouts, so they are given royal walkabouts, *all*
the Royal Family oblige with walkabouts, the whatever the potential danger.
Would *you* risk that on almost a daily basis? Or would you rather adopt a
"wimpish" approach and just keep your head down?
G. Roberts
(PS A point from that earlier response of yours. Don't you know what a
parapet is? That's the demarcation line of sand-bag topped earth between a
trench and the stinking obstacle course of empty ammo boxes, beer crates,
compo-ration debris, beer bottles and other s..t littering the slope below!)
Which means that Edward must have some of the stuff, as he *completed* his
training. He just decided it wasn't the life for him.
SusanC
Thank you for explaining to me the meaning of the word "parapet." Gordon.
How silly of me to try to imagine a parapet on an aeroplane!
By the way, I didn't say I was IN the Royal Marines. I said we did a battle
camp WITH the Royal Marines.
But no more talk about the war please.
So you went to Liverpool to see your beloved Royal Family. Was this a local
government beano?
I once lived in the David Lewis Working Mens Hostel in Nile Street so I
happen to know Liverpool. And, before that, Princess Landing Stage in
particular.
I've often wondered about the medals adorning the royal breasts but now I
can understand that they award themselves, and each other, a decoration
after every walkabout. And, My Golly! after the dangers they face and you
so graphically describe I think they deserve 'em..I'm going to award myself
one for crossing the street tomorrow.
Reiver
Edward is still a Wimp!
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Unadorned, quoted information from Army sources:
Ref.: www.royalmarinesofficialsite.co.uk
"HRH The Prince Edward, Served 1983 - 1887"
Ref.: www.regiments.org/milhist/biography/royals/1964edwW.htm
"Military Service:
1983 2nd Lieutenant, Royal Marines
1987 resigned commission"
G. Roberts
Oh, even longer than I thought. Thanks, Gordon.
It only would have taken me 3 years to complete my Army Officer training.
Then again, I had my first two years compressed.
SusanC
> He did not complete his training. He wasn't in the Marines long enough.How
> long do you think it takes to be trained as an officer - let alone the
> Marine training?
> He's a Wimp.
> Reiver
So, how long were you in service?
js
>
It may be that I have much to be modest about but modesty really does
inhibit me from telling war stories. Or "swinging the lamp." or "shooting a
line." or just pure "bullshitting."
Sufficient to say that I trailed a pike for many years and fought in two
theatres (including The Pavilion in Glasgow) but one of our fiercest
engagements was outside the "Hole in the Wall," pub in Torquay with some
American paratroopers. (We lost that one.)
But to get back to that other warrior, Edward. I dunno but I think he was on
a 30 weeks Royal Marines Commando course of which he completed 12. OK. So
he realised that a military career was not to his liking and he is
applauded, by some, for throwing in the towel.
It would have been better had he completed the course and then resigned or,
at least, persevere with the course until his instructors realised that he
is a Wimp and scrubbed him. But to admit that he couldn't hack it is
tantamount to admitting that he's weak or, to use an infamous RAF label,
"lacking moral fibre."
Now Mummy has made him Honorary Colonel of some obscure formation. It
figures.
Reiver--------------------------------------------------
>> So, how long were you in service?
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>> js
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> It may be that I have much to be modest about but modesty really does
> inhibit me from telling war stories. Or "swinging the lamp." or "shooting a
> line." or just pure "bullshitting."
>
Apparently not.
js
PK
>
"So, how long were you in service?" asks Jean Sue Libkind
Now that's a question that one may ask a servant girl or even a butler but
I'll suppose that you mean to enquire how long I served in the Armed Forces.
Let's have a little fun and you can work it out for yourself:........
My two mates and I staggered into the Recruiting Office to take the King's
Shilling.
One of my mates is called Mortis and he went into the Royal Air Force and
trained as a rigger. We fondly referred to him as Rigor Mortis.
My other mate is called Pontius and he too went into the Royal Air Force and
trained as a pilot. We proudly referred to him as Pontius Pilate.
I joined the Army and my two mates pityingly referred to me as the "Poor
Bugger."
So, I was in the Army when Pontius was a pilot and Mortis was a rigger and I
didn't leave the Army until the blue birds were safely flying over the white
cliffs of Dover.
So, Sue, as said, you can work it out for thyself.
Reiver
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Then you are only around + or - 80? That's a disappointment.With your name
Reiver and your talk about trailing a pike I thought that you had taken part
at Flodden in 1513. Or did you really mean that when you were in the forces
you went around dragging a poached fish behind you?
To return to Jean Sue Libkind's question, how long were you really in the
armed forces?
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Wull
And why would anyone want to learn Welsh? Why go to the bother of
learning a language that should have died a 100 years ago? It is
taxpayers money that is keeping this fossilised shit alive in the
twenty first century, not its popularity. As a language it developed
from the animal grunts of the natives as a way for sexually deviant
Welsh hill farmers to tell each other where the pretty and willing
sheep could be found. It is useless in this day and age, and is only
spoken by inbred locals in mid Wales and pretentious pricks on message
boards. So why do the English continue to support a country full of
whining, self-pitying ingrates, all sucking on the tit of the welfare
state? Maybe it is that no self respecting Englishman would like the
idea that by taking away our tax subsidies from our poor relations
across the border, we would create the only third world country in
Western Europe. The thought of UN aid flights going over English air
space to drop food aid into Wales would be shameful. Here's another
reason, even poor white trash, poor black trash, or poor yellow trash
have to have someone to look down on. Visit Wales, and then count your
blessings when you leave. The country is a waste of a decent land fill
site, and the people are a waste of live targets for the English
hunting fraternity. Cymru Am Byth? Only for as long as your English
benefactors allow, my little Welsh dick splash.
An Englishman. Proud of my country, proud of my Queen, embarrassed by
our subject races.
I know you can do and say what you will. But you
should be embarrassed to write that post in a news
group made up of many people who are not
Englishmen.
As a matter of fact I have a suspicion that many
of the Englishmen (and women) here also think you
are full of crap.
Wull
john bull wrote:
'a bunch of childish drivel'
> john bull wrote:
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That the best you got dick splash? Just proof that carrying sheep
genes rots the brains. But even some of your backward tribe have
realised that the Welsh language is fossilised shit that hasn't
advanced in centuries and survives by taking from the English. Your
language and your race are a perfect match. Both parasites.
C: Faint o athrawon prifysgol sydd rhaid am newid bwlb golau?
A: Pedwar cant ac un. Un i wneud y gwaith, a phedwar cant i sefyll
mewn pwllgor yn Aberystwyth i gael gair am "ffilament".
I'll translate from the primitive mouth knitting to a real language
for the normal people on this board.
Q: How many Welsh academics does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Four hundred and one. One to change the bulb and 400 to sit on a
committee in Aberystwyth to find a word for "filament".
J.B.
What's English for "filament"?
G.R.