Semi-OT: The Miller Sisters
JAGUTMAKER
>From: lethal...@aol.com (Lethal Injectn)
>As you probably know, Chris Getty left the oldest Miller sister, Pia. So, 3
>"fabulous" marriages and 2 of them already shattered.
I think the main difference is that Chris Getty is the only one of the husbands
who isn't dependent on the Miller fortune.
JAGutmaker
SEAN
"Lethal Injectn" <lethal...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030709200539...@mb-m29.aol.com...
> It's definitely gossip and the Millers are indirectly associated with
royalty
> so here is the latest:
> 1--- the quiet separation between Alexandra and Alex von Furstenberg has
become
> pretty public. There is a picture of him with his new GF, Ali Kay, a
Columbia
> University student, at the very bottom of
> http://www.patrickmcmullan.com/site/e2003july04_dance.html. (If I may be
so
> catty, the new GF looks like she's 16 but, from what I hear, Alex
supposedly
> likes them very nubile. Meanwhile, he is getting puffier and chunkier with
> every day, IMO).
Wasn't he always?
snip to points
> 3---- A "Blind item" I read a while back claimed that some woman is making
a
> point of going through all 3 husbands of the Miller girls. I think I read
it
> on AGC but I can't recall. Given the 3 men in question, somehow I don't
find
> infidelity to be a huge stretch but the same woman???
You think that Pavlos would really cheat on his MC?
(Isn't that some sort of
> indirect stalking by the woman? lol)
She must really have it in for the fab 3. Wonder what they did to her.
> As you probably know, Chris Getty left the oldest Miller sister, Pia.
What was the story behind that? Poor guy (he was kind of cute). I somehow
get the impression that the Miller sister are not all the easiest to get
along with.
So, 3
> "fabulous" marriages and 2 of them already shattered. What do you think is
the
> chance of it being 3 out of 3? Personally, I think it's slim because I
think
> divorce is out of the question for the Greek RF,
There has been divorce in the family before.
>no matter how rocky things may
> be or may get. On the other hand, if Princess Anne could divorce, there is
no
> reason why MC couldn't, given that her father's money would permit her a
fresh
> start and, probably, a horde of suitors.
I don't think MC or her parents want for her to lose her title (even if it
is only one of pretension). After all, they paid good money for it.
Morevover, I get the impression that Chantal (the mother) really enjoys
being the mother-in-law of the future 'King' of Greece.
Anyway, they're still making babies together, so I doubt that the marriage
is in trouble yet.
Sean
SEAN
"JAGUTMAKER" <jagut...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Really? What about Furstenburg? Doesn't he stand to inherit his mother's
fashion empire? What is the financial status of his father, Egon?
Sean.~
G-B
Lethal Injectn wrote:
> It's definitely gossip and the Millers are indirectly associated with royalty
> so here is the latest:
> 1--- the quiet separation between Alexandra and Alex von Furstenberg has become
> pretty public. There is a picture of him with his new GF, Ali Kay, a Columbia
> University student, at the very bottom of
> http://www.patrickmcmullan.com/site/e2003july04_dance.html. (If I may be so
> catty, the new GF looks like she's 16 but, from what I hear, Alex supposedly
> likes them very nubile. Meanwhile, he is getting puffier and chunkier with
> every day, IMO).
The good life can do that to you, don't you know!
>
>
> There is also an article in today's NY which mentions him, his new GF and a
> "gaggle of models" on his step-father's yacht during a seemingly raucous party.
>
> Excerpt: "July 9, 2003 -- A SHIPMATE on Vivendi/Universal tycoon Barry Diller's
> yacht is in a coma after a drunken crew member crashed the ship's tender into
> the Sag Harbor marina.
>
> While fun-loving socialite Alex Von Furstenberg was partying on his
> stepfather's yacht with his new girlfriend and a gaggle of models, the help
> were apparently helping themselves, sources say.
>
> The Sag Harbor Police Dept. told PAGE SIX's Ian Spiegelman that Philip N.
> Darmon, 29, of Burwood, Australia, was arrested at 1:30 a.m. Sunday morning and
> charged with boating while intoxicated after crashing the tender into the
> marina breakwater at high speed. The injured crew member was airlifted to Stony
> Brook Hospital where one source reports him in a coma. A hospital rep could not
> confirm his condition.
My gosh! Someone from Burwood doing something like that! Unheard of! Burwood is
*very* suburban middle Australia in what's known as a *dry area* because there are
no pubs. I guess he was making up for that lack... But he will get into the
Guiness Book of records from it, that's for sure.... :)
>
>
> A rep for Diller, who was not on the vessel, declined to comment. But one
> person who was on board said partiers expected an accident of a different kind
> because a few drunken models were "doing dangerous things on jet skis."
> http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm
>
Sounds like it was some party, Salome! Gioff is having dangerous visions of leggy
models laying back on said jet skis reading Dante.......
>
>
> 2---- In the meantime, a message board I read says that Alex (female) is
> consoling herself with some chap called Tim Jeffries. You can see pictures of
> the two of them at
> http://www.rexfeatures.com/cgi-bin/r2show0?k=Alexandra
>
Is there anyone in the world left that Tim Jeffries *hasn't* been out with?
>
> 3---- A "Blind item" I read a while back claimed that some woman is making a
> point of going through all 3 husbands of the Miller girls. I think I read it
> on AGC but I can't recall. Given the 3 men in question, somehow I don't find
> infidelity to be a huge stretch but the same woman??? (Isn't that some sort of
> indirect stalking by the woman? lol)
Well she obviously woke up one day after another Furstenburg bash and thought "Gee,
I *really* need a goal in life.."
>
>
> As you probably know, Chris Getty left the oldest Miller sister, Pia. So, 3
> "fabulous" marriages and 2 of them already shattered. What do you think is the
> chance of it being 3 out of 3? Personally, I think it's slim because I think
> divorce is out of the question for the Greek RF, no matter how rocky things may
> be or may get. On the other hand, if Princess Anne could divorce, there is no
> reason why MC couldn't, given that her father's money would permit her a fresh
> start and, probably, a horde of suitors.
I think you're right there about MC - I doubt they would divorce. I don't think
the King or CPV would risk the money source... Whilst I know you want Alex
(female) to be the godmother to your children (g) it wouldn't surprise me if she
marries a few times. I think it is a shame though that Pia and CG split. They
seemed the most likeable - or perhaps I should say the most low key. Perhaps iit's
all a good advertisemnt for the idea of marrying for love or am I being heartless?
Gioff
SEAN
> From: "SEAN" seann...@here.com
>
> >>"Lethal Injectn" <lethal...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>Meanwhile, he is getting puffier and chunkier with every day, IMO).
>
> >Wasn't he always?
>
>
>
> >You think that Pavlos would really cheat on his MC?
>
Start dishing.
His
> father was a big womaniser too. He had an affair with Farah.
I suspected he was a womanizer, but then on the other hand he seemed so
devouted to his Anne-Marie.
Still, with the Shahbanou?? I mean, she seems so holie than thou. When was
this? How on earth does Anne-Marie tolerate her? Start dishing!!
> >She must really have it in for the fab 3. Wonder what they did to her.
>
> Me too. LOL.
>
> > I somehow get the impression that the Miller sister are not all the
easiest
> to get
> along with.
>
> By many accounts, Alex (female) is up there with drinking a gallon of
> Everclear. But if I was married to Alex (male), I'd probably WANT to
drink a
> gallon of Everclear.
>
>
> >There has been divorce in the family before.
> For the CP?
King George II & Queen Elisabeth in 1935.
> >I don't think MC or her parents want for her to lose her title (even if
it is
> only one of pretension). After all, they paid good money for it.
Morevover, I
> get the impression that Chantal (the mother) really enjoys being the
> mother-in-law of the future 'King' of Greece. >>
>
> I totally agree.
>
>
> >Anyway, they're still making babies together, so I doubt that the
marriage
> is in trouble yet.>>
>
> This is where I strongly disagree. "Making babies" is hardly indicative
of
> anything. The Shah would fly in the top callgirls from Madame Claude for
a
> night of pleasure before heaping them with gifts from Cartier and other
places.
> And he was doing this far before the birth of their/his last child,
Leila.
> All "making babies" means is that the couple is still having occasional
sex;
> not that the marriage is completely secure and healthy. Tons of couples
have
> sex, make up sex or even "I'm trying to fix things" sex, regardless of (or
> simply, because OF) the problems in the marriage.
Good points. However, do you see them actually making babies if they don't
intend on staying together (I mean, there is birth control). Btw, all this
talk about Madam Claude reminds me of something. About 3-4 years ago someone
here posted that she/he had heard from a credible source that one of the
current European consorts used to be a Madame Claude girl. They never said
who. Has anybody here heard of this rumour before?
G-B
SEAN wrote:
=====
You might be able to help with a question I have always been to polite to
ask. Where does Princess Titi or Tete von F fit in? I think she is US by
birth.
Gioff
G-B
>
> Good points. However, do you see them actually making babies if they don't
> intend on staying together (I mean, there is birth control). Btw, all this
> talk about Madam Claude reminds me of something. About 3-4 years ago someone
> here posted that she/he had heard from a credible source that one of the
> current European consorts used to be a Madame Claude girl. They never said
> who. Has anybody here heard of this rumour before?
====
No!!! But I want to hear more!
Gioff
G-B
Lethal Injectn wrote:
> From: G-B tarn...@lexicon.net
>
> >>Lethal Injectn wrote:
> >Meanwhile, he is getting puffier and chunkier with every day, IMO).
>
> >The good life can do that to you, don't you know! >
>
> Don't remind me. Everytime I see a picture of Nikola, I can't help but think
> "Damn!" He is starting to look like an aged Don Johnson or Kevin Costner. I'm
> crushed.
>
He is, isn't he? That's what I thought. Big shame because he was the best looking
of the lot, however he is, as you know, a Libra and we tend to go to fat at the
whiff of food...
>
> snip
>
> I always thought Pia was the best of the group. You're right, she *DID* and
> *DOES* try to be low key, something that speaks volumes in her favour, IMO.
> There is so little out there about her as compared to Alex the Ho. (Oooops,
> sorry. I slipped).
>
> Anyway, Pia's deliberate attempts to stay discreet and out of the media's
> glare, just added to the impression that she was the least.... umm... Millerish
> of the sisters. I am truly sorry for her because her marriage seemed to be the
> least planned, calculated, mercenary, fake, and/or unrealistic.
Exactly. I had this vision when MC married CPV of the congregation sitting there
(for a long time cause those Ortho. services go on and on) collectively thinking
"How many zeros will P be worth now...?"
Gioff
G-B
Lethal Injectn wrote:
> From: "SEAN" seann...@here.com
>
>
> >I don't think MC or her parents want for her to lose her title (even if it is
> only one of pretension). After all, they paid good money for it. Morevover, I
> get the impression that Chantal (the mother) really enjoys being the
> mother-in-law of the future 'King' of Greece. >>
>
> I totally agree.
>
====
Do either of you know what Chantel is like? Is she a devious scheming mother type
or quite a nice person who wan't the best for her girls. What about she and
father Miller? Do they get on?
Gioff
SEAN
"G-B" <tarn...@lexicon.net> wrote in message
news:3F0CD391...@lexicon.net...
I don't know. However, I recall hearing something about her spreading a
rumour that she was descendant from Inca royalty -- something about her
being the last Incan Princess (snort).
SEAN
> From: "SEAN" seann...@here.com
>
huge snip.
> The affair with Farah was around the Persepolis celebrations.
How did HIM the King of Kings react? Also, I'm surprised to learn that the
erstwhile empress isn't so holier than thou after all.
Anne-Marie took
> it as she did the rest: with resignation. I don't think a divorce was
really
> possible in her eyes and she had the children to consider. She weathered
the
> storm and I think their marriage is more solid now than it was then. Or
> perhaps "settled" and "comfortable" are better words.
>
>
>
> >Good points. However, do you see them actually making babies if they
don't
> intend on staying together (I mean, there is birth control). Btw, all
this
> talk about Madam Claude reminds me of something. About 3-4 years ago
someone
> here posted that she/he had heard from a credible source that one of the
> current European consorts used to be a Madame Claude girl. They never said
who.
> Has anybody here heard of this rumour before?
> >
>
> I have heard that. But it was in the vaguest of terms. I will ask my
parents
> and see what they know.
Please do.
Sean
SEAN
I'm not sure if I understand the question. Are you inquiring about her
citizenship?
Sean.
G-B
SEAN wrote:
====
Actually she looks a bit Incan and whilst she certainly is a duty free princess,
I dunno about the last Incan Princess bit....
Gioff
G-B
SEAN wrote:
====
No, just who she is with regard to Egon & Alexandre
Wull
And that was a long time ago.
Wull
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SEAN
She is part Peruvian, IIRC. The Incan Princess bit was just made up.
Sean.
SEAN
"Wull" <wjma...@datarecall.net> wrote in message
news:3F0CE9B8...@datarecall.net...
> The last Incan king was Atahaulpa (sp)?
> And that was a long time ago.
>
> Wull
Atahualpa (you were close). He died in 1533.
G-B
SEAN wrote:
=====
Maybe she made it up to impress C & AM :), you know, so they'd have something in
common to talk about :)
Gioff
G-B
Lethal Injectn wrote:
> From: "SEAN" seann...@here.com
>
> snip.
>
> >Still, with the Shahbanou?? I mean, she seems so holie than thou. When was
> this? How on earth does Anne-Marie tolerate her? Start dishing!! >
>
> The affair with Farah was around the Persepolis celebrations. Anne-Marie took
> it as she did the rest: with resignation. I don't think a divorce was really
> possible in her eyes and she had the children to consider. She weathered the
> storm and I think their marriage is more solid now than it was then. Or
> perhaps "settled" and "comfortable" are better words.
Dear oh dear with all that was going on during those celebrations, feasts,
processions, costume changes, nail filing and cake baking I'm surprised Farah had
time to scratch herself let alone a romp amongst the cushions in one the tents with
C... Any self respecting hostess of such a big get-together would have been
whacked off her head from valium or gin...
But you are right about the Greek tradition because every Greek I know has done the
same and doesn't seem to worry. But AM comes from a very stiff upper lip family
which no doubt went some way to helping her cope. Plus loving someone tends
sometimes to entail accepting some baggage.... She was, however, exceptionally
beautiful when she was young & I often wonder what the Greeks would think of her
now had her husband kept the throne.
Gioff
G-B
SEAN wrote:
=====
Obvious that Chantel has been a devotee of Balmoral Mineral Water
then... :)
Gioff
SEAN
Dr. Cecilie (Titi) Blaffer von Furstenberg is the former (2nd) wife of the
late Tassilo von Furstenberg. Tasilo, was the father of Eduard Egon (his
mother was Clara Agnelli) and grandfather of Alexander. I'm sure you know
that this branch of the Furstenberg family is a very, very junior line (in
fact, one could argue that Alexander is not entitled to the style of
Prince. Even for pretend).
Sean.
SEAN
snip.
> > She is part Peruvian, IIRC. The Incan Princess bit was just made up.
> >
> > Sean.
>
> =====
>
> Maybe she made it up to impress C & AM :), you know, so they'd have
something in
> common to talk about :)
>
> Gioff
Who knows. Probably just insecure about being nouveau rich.
G-B
SEAN wrote:
=====
Thanks Sean. No, I didn't know they were a junior, junior branch. I don't know
much about them, other than Titi. So by marriage is Titi (could be was - not
sure if she is still alive) actually a princess or technically not?
Gioff
G-B
SEAN wrote:
=====
That reminds me of a cushion I saw in Sydney a few months ago with cross
stitching - "I'd rather be nouveau riche than no riche at all" :)
Gioff
SEAN
Well, to begin with, the Furstenbergs are only princely by pretension. There
is no more empire.
But I *think* I know what you are asking. She was a 'princess' by marriage,
but she and her husband divorced (and he's now dead). I guess she could
still call herself princess.
Candide
> From: jagut...@aol.com
>
> >I think the main difference is that Chris Getty is the only one of
the
> husbands who isn't dependent on the Miller fortune.>>
>
billion
> fortune to Diane von F's two children since he has none of his own.
That would
> make Alex (male) phenomenally wealthy beyond what he will already
inherit from
> his mother, however much that will be.
What a gentleman says and what he does are two different things! *LOL*
Until the man dies I shouldn't be too confident on anything.
At least unlike Mrs. J. Kennedy Onasasis the widow Diller won't have a
pesky daughter cutting her and hers out of their share of the estate.
Candide
--
"I highly recommend worrying. It's much more effective than dieting."
_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+___+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+__+_+_+
William Powell - Actor
>
>
G-B
SEAN wrote:
=====
Thanks. She does, which is why I wondered if she could.
Gioff
Candide
news:em2Pa.21140$Ab1....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
snipped
>
> I don't think MC or her parents want for her to lose her title (even
if it
> is only one of pretension). After all, they paid good money for it.
> Morevover, I get the impression that Chantal (the mother) really
enjoys
> being the mother-in-law of the future 'King' of Greece.
>
> Sean
Don't know if CP will get the bag of tricks as "King" when his father
passes, as there is technically no throne to ascend to. IIRC CP remains
"Crown Prince" and will be the last as his father was the last king.
G-B
Candide wrote:
> "G-B" <tarn...@lexicon.net> wrote in message
> news:3F0CB9DC...@lexicon.net...
> snipped
> > I think you're right there about MC - I doubt they would divorce. I
> don't think
> > the King or CPV would risk the money source... Whilst I know you want
> Alex
> > (female) to be the godmother to your children (g) it wouldn't surprise
> me if she
> > marries a few times. I think it is a shame though that Pia and CG
> split. They
> > seemed the most likeable - or perhaps I should say the most low key.
> Perhaps iit's
> > all a good advertisemnt for the idea of marrying for love or am I
> being heartless?
> >
> > Gioff
>
> Don't think either Constantine nor CPV gets a monthly "check" from the
> Millers, more likely than not a nice dowry was paid. Perhaps MC gets an
> allowance from her father, but unlike ages ago all that a woman
> owns/receives is not under law her husband's property .
>
> The duty free business has not been going well for Mr. Miller post
> 9/11/01/War on Terror and then SARS in fact last I read his companies
> were posting disappointing profits so there may be some belt tightening
> going on.
>
> Candide
> --
> "I highly recommend worrying. It's much more effective than dieting."
> _+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+___+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+__+_+_+
> William Powell - Actor
=====
Yes, I meant the dowry and in time the inheritance which will then in time
be the GRF's.
I wish my belt-tightening was like theirs.... :)
Gioff
Candide
snipped
> Good points. However, do you see them actually making babies if they
don't
> intend on staying together (I mean, there is birth control).
Birth control is not always an option for religous or various other
reasons. For instance the wife may be perfectaly happy with the state of
her marriage and or just love having babies/children.
Wealthy/powerful men have been having "dallanices" outside of their
marriages for eons, and their wives have kept on producing children
thoughout. Sex and mere desire should not be muddled together, the
"ho's" get a good time, while the wife gets the house.
Btw, all this
> talk about Madam Claude reminds me of something. About 3-4 years ago
someone
> here posted that she/he had heard from a credible source that one of
the
> current European consorts used to be a Madame Claude girl. They never
said
> who. Has anybody here heard of this rumour before?
Think it was me that repeated the well travelled rumour that a Manhattan
Upper Eastside society matron used to be a Mme Claude girl. Everyone is
still guessing and so far no one has found out.
A man might arrange for his son to "experience" a Mme Claude girl, but
would draw the line on having her in his family.
Look at poor CP Felipe of Spain, his bit of fluff was only a model (ok
she modelled undergarments), but he was made to put her away and find
someone "suitable". Mind you, considering what has passed for royal
consort material in some of the Scandinavian countries, a Madame Claude
girl might be a step up.
G-B
Candide wrote:
=====
Ouch (or whatever that is in Norwegian)
I feel sorry for Felipe. I've read the Spanish people expect a lot as far
as a bride goes but also his mother. Don't know what the Kings view is
purported to be.
Gioff
G-B
Candide wrote:
> "G-B" <tarn...@lexicon.net> wrote in message
> news:3F0D190F...@lexicon.net...
> snipped
> > Ouch (or whatever that is in Norwegian)
> >
> > I feel sorry for Felipe. I've read the Spanish people expect a lot as
> far
> > as a bride goes but also his mother. Don't know what the Kings view
> is
> > purported to be.
> >
> > Gioff
>
> Spanish society, at least in some circles is still quite "ossified"
> IMHO. There is still much machismo and the notion a girl/woman is either
> one sort or another. The "other" sort is good for fun, but not marriage
> *period*.
>
> Nice girls from good families, convent or at least well schooled are the
> ones mothers are looking for as DILs. A girl with a questionable
> background is just not serviceable.
>
> Often think of the lines from the musical "Evita":
>
> Evita: "Did you hear that"? "They called me a whore, they actually
> called me a whore"
>
> Old Man " Senora Peron, it is an easy mistake, I'm still called an
> Admiral, yet I gave up the sea long ago".
>
> Spanish society also IMHO in certain areas is still run by women. That
> is while the husband takes care of bringing home the bacon, Senora runs
> the home front which includes bringing up the children and running the
> society end of things. Spanish men are much like Italians in which I
> mean they LOVE their mothers and respect them. Her word is usually law
> in certain matters and to anger or disappoint her is something to be
> avoided.
>
> The Charles/Diana/Camilla situation just would not have happened in
> Spain. It is also worth noting that crown princes of GB and several
> Scandinavian countries married or seem about to marry women that are by
> most measures unsuitable as consorts. Poor Felipe obviously has been
> told Spain will have no truck with that sort of thing, hence the quick
> exit of the underwear model.
====
But if they were truly 'in love', it must have been awful.
M-M of N has probably been the most controversial royal bride of recent
times but if someone's heart is with their partner and in the job ahead and
the country can be a bit accepting then you never know. Do you recall the
QEII talking about the soldier she met and telling him how brave he was? He
said that it was nothing and was all in the training. The Queen agreed and
said you can do a lot if you are properly trained and she hoped she had
been. I think the King & Queen of Norway handled their son's affair very
well in hindsight. Perhaps it helped that their courtship was fraught with
controversy too. I'm not saying that just anyone is suitable consort
material but with some give and some instruction a lot of women/men could
be.
Gioff
Andy.3rd
>Newsgroups: alt.gossip.royalty
>The Charles/Diana/Camilla situation just would not have happened in
>Spain. It is also worth noting that crown princes of GB and several
>Scandinavian countries married or seem about to marry women that are by
>most measures unsuitable as consorts. Poor Felipe obviously has been
>told Spain will have no truck with that sort of thing, hence the quick
>exit of the underwear model.
>
>
>
I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that the monarchy is so newly
re-established. At this point in time there are many Juan-Carlist but no one is
quite sure just how many real monarchist there are.
His Illustrious and Most Serene Jadedness, Andy, RSM
G-B
"Andy.3rd" wrote:
=====
Really? I didn't know that. I am not very au fait with the Spanish situation but
would like to hear more.
Gioff
JAGUTMAKER
>From: lethal...@aol.com (Lethal Injectn)
>I disagree. I've read that Barry Diller has pledged to leave his $1 billion
>fortune to Diane von F's two children since he has none of his own.
Ahhh, that I didn't know.
JAGutmaker
JAGUTMAKER
>here posted that she/he had heard from a credible source that one of the
>current European consorts used to be a Madame Claude girl.
I'd say it's a safe bet that it's not Sophia of Spain or Anne Marie of Greece.
<g>
JAGutmaker
Wull
and her marriage to Barry Diller.
Some years ago there was a Betsy V-F in social
circles. Who was she and what happened to her?
TIA
Wull
Wull
Jackie got more than she deserved.
JK was 100% gold-digger. She did not give one fig
about M. O.
Wull
Candide wrote:
> At least unlike Mrs. J. Kennedy Onasasis the widow Diller won't have a
> pesky daughter cutting her and hers out of their share of the estate.
>
> Candide
> --
> "I highly recommend worrying. It's much more effective than dieting."
> _+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+___+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+__+_+_+
> William Powell - Actor
> >
> >
Elisabet Bartram
> That reminds me of a cushion I saw in Sydney a few months ago with cross
> stitching - "I'd rather be nouveau riche than no riche at all" :)
Well, but this happened in Sydney. ;)
Elisabeta
>
> Gioff
Candide
than the cool,cultured beautiful widow of a famous American president?
By all accounts being married to AO was not exactly magic for Jackie
either, and one theory is AO only married her to annoy his long time
paramour Maria Callas. It says volumes that not too soon after their
marriage, AO was at Callas's door and probably her bed.
Candide
--
"I highly recommend worrying. It's much more effective than dieting."
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"Wull" <wjma...@datarecall.net> wrote in message
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SEAN
Candide
It was Jackie that put Onassis over on the world stage. True he had
heaps of money but hardly anyone wanted to know him or his shady family.
As for Christina she may have learned a thing or two from Jackie, as the
poor girl did not lead a very happy life and it remains to be seen how
her daughter will turn out now that she has come into her own.
Candide
--
"I highly recommend worrying. It's much more effective than dieting."
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William Powell - Actor
"Wull" <wjma...@datarecall.net> wrote in message
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SEAN
> "SEAN" <seann...@here.com> wrote in message
> news:wa3Pa.21144$Ab1....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
>
> snipped
>
> > Good points. However, do you see them actually making babies if they
> don't
> > intend on staying together (I mean, there is birth control).
>
> Birth control is not always an option for religous or various other
> reasons. For instance the wife may be perfectaly happy with the state of
> her marriage and or just love having babies/children.
>
> Wealthy/powerful men have been having "dallanices" outside of their
> marriages for eons, and their wives have kept on producing children
> thoughout.
Yes, yes, I know. I guess it was more wishful thinking on my part that
educated people wouldn't knowingly bring children into a marriage if that
marriage wasn't happy.
> Btw, all this
> > talk about Madam Claude reminds me of something. About 3-4 years ago
> someone
> > here posted that she/he had heard from a credible source that one of
> the
> > current European consorts used to be a Madame Claude girl. They never
> said
> > who. Has anybody here heard of this rumour before?
>
> Think it was me that repeated the well travelled rumour that a Manhattan
> Upper Eastside society matron used to be a Mme Claude girl. Everyone is
> still guessing and so far no one has found out.
Everyone is still guessing what? Her name or whether she really was? If it
is the latter, can you tell us who it is?
> A man might arrange for his son to "experience" a Mme Claude girl, but
> would draw the line on having her in his family.
Not from what I've heard. It is rumoured that several former Mme Claude
girls have married continental and British nobility and, like I said, it is
rumoured that one of the European consorts used to be a Mme Claude girl
(back in the 60s and 70s).
> Look at poor CP Felipe of Spain, his bit of fluff was only a model (ok
> she modelled undergarments), but he was made to put her away and find
> someone "suitable". Mind you, considering what has passed for royal
> consort material in some of the Scandinavian countries, a Madame Claude
> girl might be a step up.
Which Scandinavian countries ?? Norway? Mette-Marit had a child out of
marriage, but she *was* in a relationship with his father. Having a child
out of marriage or having pre-marital sex does not make one a less than a
prostitute. I think it is awful to condemn a woman for actually having the
courage to have her child while it would have been relatively easy for her
to choose the other option.
SEAN
> "G-B" <tarn...@lexicon.net> wrote in message
snip.
> Spanish society also IMHO in certain areas is still run by women. That
> is while the husband takes care of bringing home the bacon, Senora runs
> the home front which includes bringing up the children and running the
> society end of things. Spanish men are much like Italians in which I
> mean they LOVE their mothers and respect them. Her word is usually law
> in certain matters and to anger or disappoint her is something to be
> avoided.
>
> The Charles/Diana/Camilla situation just would not have happened in
> Spain.
Maybe not that whole situation, but there was the Isabel Sartorius affair.
Kelly
> snipped
> > I think you're right there about MC - I doubt they would divorce. I
> don't think
> > the King or CPV would risk the money source... Whilst I know you want
> Alex
> > (female) to be the godmother to your children (g) it wouldn't surprise
> me if she
> > marries a few times. I think it is a shame though that Pia and CG
> split. They
> > seemed the most likeable - or perhaps I should say the most low key.
> Perhaps iit's
> > all a good advertisemnt for the idea of marrying for love or am I
> being heartless?
> >
> > Gioff
>
> Don't think either Constantine nor CPV gets a monthly "check" from the
> Millers, more likely than not a nice dowry was paid. Perhaps MC gets an
> allowance from her father, but unlike ages ago all that a woman
> owns/receives is not under law her husband's property .
>
Everything I've read has stated that he gave MC a trust fund that he still
controls. So there actually was no "dowry" so to speak.
Kelly
--
What we see depends mainly on what we look for.
Susan Cohen
> I think it is awful to condemn a woman for actually having the
> courage to have her child while it would have been relatively easy for
her
> to choose the other option.
& it's always the same people condemning either option, too....
SusanC
Tara O.
>
> I went to school with a lot of Greeks from the top families and I was
always
> struck by how they seemed to think a "mere" sexual fling was wholly
separate
> from their relationship with a S.O.
I used to work for a company from Rome, doing a project in the US. Over the
space of 2.5 years, I spent 60 hours per week with more an average of 27
Italians. Incredible guys, treated me like gold, most were married, but I
know several cheated. I have to wonder if the idea that a fling=just sex
and should not have any bearing on the marriage isn't just specific to the
Greeks. It was the guys making excuses, the ones I'd talked to or heard
talking truly believed there's a world of difference and that a fling meant
no harm to the marriage and no insult to the wife. Kind of like a man has
to have his fun but it doesn't mean he doesn't love his wife.
--
Tara
Wull
this approximately 55 years ago after W.W.II. But
that is another story.
Wull
Jean Sue Libkind
nos...@yahoo.com wrote on 7/10/03 12:15 PM:
> I used to work for a company from Rome, doing a project in the US. Over the
> space of 2.5 years, I spent 60 hours per week with more an average of 27
> Italians. Incredible guys, treated me like gold, most were married, but I
> know several cheated. I have to wonder if the idea that a fling=just sex
> and should not have any bearing on the marriage isn't just specific to the
> Greeks. It was the guys making excuses, the ones I'd talked to or heard
> talking truly believed there's a world of difference and that a fling meant
> no harm to the marriage and no insult to the wife. Kind of like a man has
> to have his fun but it doesn't mean he doesn't love his wife.
>
It's the old "boys will be boys" defense.
js
Jean Sue Libkind
on 7/10/03 3:39 AM:
> Ouch (or whatever that is in Norwegian)
>
Uff da!
js
Tara O.
news:BB331C05.1423F%jea...@bookschlepper.com...
Wow my typing was way off. That was supposed to read:
"It wasn't the guys making excuses, the ones I'd talked to or heard
talking truly believed there's a world of difference and that a fling meant
no harm to the marriage and no insult to the wife. "
From what I could gather, the wife gets the respect, the home and the
children while the girlfriends just get sex and gifts. The first three
things the wife gets are considered by many Italian men to be all that is
important. Now the Italian-American men (not all but many) I knew in Philly
and NJ were cheaters and cared little for their wives outside of giving them
respect for being the mother of their children. That wasn't the case with
the men I worked with from Rome though.
--
Tara
Candide
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Ok girls, here we go: lesson 101 in Male Sex and Morality; most men are
totally and completely capable of divorcing sex from love. Sex is just
something they do, and quite often the person they are doing it with
means no more to them than yesterdays winning pool news. This fits in
nicely with the male "biological" heritage that makes the male of a
species go out and mate with as many females as he can, thus spreading
his genetic makeup far and wide.
Women for obvious biological reasons rather have the protection and
stability the "love" of a man brings. It means he is likely to stick
around to provide and protect her and the sprogs.
One of the best plays/movies about male infidelity is "The Women".
Beneath all the wisecracks and zingers there is some rather deep
understanding of how men and women, especially married men and women
relate to each other.
Mary's mother is quite right in telling her that Stephen's bit of fluff
is not taking anything from her, because she would have "felt" it long
ago. The girl represents no real threat to Mary, it is just her
husband's way of addressing his own perceived inadequacies. What is
threatened is Mary's pride, dare say that is the same with most every
woman who finds out her husband is stepping out on her. But as it is
pointed out to Mary by the sexy Miriam ( who seals Sylvia's husband from
her while she is busy minding everyone else's business ) salvaging one's
pride at the expense of losing the man you love is a pretty high price
to pay.
Mary's mother offers some great advice and insight into the female
psyche when she tells her not to confide her marital problems with her
girl friends; or they will see to it she looses her husband house and
home in the name of "friendship".
Quite a few women feel all lives/marriages ought to be lived by one set
of rules; I wouldn't put up with that sort of nonsense so why are you?
Witness the furore that erupted when Hillary Clinton chose to stay
by/with her husband after his public admittance of not only is affairs,
but that he lied to her and everyone else about them.
First came the rising chorus of "dump him" and when it became clear HC
was going to forgive and move on in her marriage, well that was more
than some could bear.
Candide
"The first man that can think up a good reason for being in love with
his wife and another woman, is going to win that prize they are always
handing out in Sweden"
+++++++++
"The Women" - Claire Booth-Luce
Candide
> From: "Candide" PityM...@bigfoot.com
>
> >>Don't think either Constantine nor CPV gets a monthly "check" from
the
> Millers, more likely than not a nice dowry was paid. Perhaps MC gets
an
> allowance from her father, but unlike ages ago all that a woman
owns/receives
> is not under law her husband's property .>>
>
some
> article that she is apparently worth £500 million which reads to me as
though
> she has actual control of the money. I'll have to find the article
again and
> post it.
>
> Regardless of the structure by which she gets her money, I'm sure
Pavlos has
> access to much of it because, like you, I can't imagine him getting a
monthly
> check from his wife!
*LOL* If only!!!!!!!
Perhaps the Millers settled an amount on CP as part of the marriage
contract/pre-nuptial agreement.
I'm also quite sure there are some funds put aside that Pavlos can't
kiss or kick out of MC in case her husband turned out to be a wastrel.
Candide
Lethal Injectn
>>I used to work for a company from Rome, doing a project in the US. Over the
space of 2.5 years, I spent 60 hours per week with more an average of 27
Italians. Incredible guys, treated me like gold, most were married, but I
know several cheated. I have to wonder if the idea that a fling=just sex and
should not have any bearing on the marriage isn't just specific to the Greeks.
It was the guys making excuses, the ones I'd talked to or heard talking truly
believed there's a world of difference and that a fling meant no harm to the
marriage and no insult to the wife. Kind of like a man has to have his fun but
it doesn't mean he doesn't love his wife.>>
I agree with you and I also agree that the attitude is not specific to Greeks.
But I'm still always taken aback to hear the explanation that some men (like
the Greeks I know) give. They believe it so thoroughly, say it with such
fervor, and think it is such elementary logic that.... Well, it's enough to
make you wonder if Black is White and White is Black.
Lethal Injectn
>"The first man that can think up a good reason for being in love with his wife
and another woman, is going to win that prize they are always handing out in
Sweden"
>+++++++++
>"The Women" - Claire Booth-Luce
Your quote is hysterical. They are showing "The Women" (the play, not the
movie) here and I was torn between seeing that or seeing "The Mousetrap." I
think I just decided. :)
Loreen
>Jackie got more than she deserved.
>
>JK was 100% gold-digger. She did not give one fig
>about M. O.
>
>Wull
Oh, please! Aristotle Onassis got the trophy bride of the century! She
deserved a widow's share without having to fight for it.
>^..^<
Loreen
>access to much of it because, like you, I can't imagine him getting a monthly
>check from his wife!
>
>
Oh, I sort of picture Pavlos and Marie Chantal like Burt Lancaster and Barbara
Stanwyck in "Sorry Wrong Number."
>^..^<
Andy.3rd
>Ok girls, here we go: lesson 101 in Male Sex and Morality; most men are
>totally and completely capable of divorcing sex from love. Sex is just
>something they do, and quite often the person they are doing it with
>means no more to them than yesterdays winning pool news
<snip of *wonderful* post>
Exactly so!
Love and sex have absolutely _*nothing*_ to do with each other. Women have been
misled to believe sex is an expression of love-it isn't. Sex is *not* how a man
expresses love. Once that is understood a relationship takes on a different and
much more solid footing.
His Illustrious and Most Serene Jadedness, Andy, RSM
G-B
Wull wrote:
====
There seems to be a lot of them......
Gioff
G-B
Candide wrote:
=====
A tragic life. I read a few biographies on the family and I have to say,
much as I desperately wanted to feel sorry for them, C in particular, I
ended up not doing so - well not wholeheartedly anyway. There's just tooooo
much self indulgence and almost no want to get on with life... One disaster
after another. In the end though, for once I felt glad I didn't have that
sort of lifestyle. The type of people who are drawn to you are just dismal.
Gioff
G-B
Loreen wrote:
=====
Maybe JO just loved souvlaki....
Gioff
G-B
Lethal Injectn wrote:
> From: "Candide" PityM...@bigfoot.com
>
> >>"Lethal Injectn" <lethal...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030709203117...@mb-m29.aol.com...
> > From: jagut...@aol.com
> >
> > >I think the main difference is that Chris Getty is the only one of the
> husbands who isn't dependent on the Miller fortune.>>
> >
> >> I disagree. I've read that Barry Diller has pledged to leave his $1 billion
> fortune to Diane von F's two children since he has none of his own. That would
> make Alex (male) phenomenally wealthy beyond what he will already inherit from
> his mother, however much that will be.>
>
> >What a gentleman says and what he does are two different things! *LOL*
> Until the man dies I shouldn't be too confident on anything.>
>
> LOL! You have a point. In this case, however, I think Diller will come
> through. Quite simply, his marriage is one of convenience between two old
> friends because he's apparently gay. My brother was at a party in the Hamptons
> either last weekend or the weekend before and Diller was there with some 20-ish
> young man with whom he was being quite physical. They left hand in hand to go
> to Diller's yacht which was parked at the Marina. My brother was rather
> surprised and asked if Diller was gay. He was told something like: "What? You
> seriously didn't know?? Everyone knows THAT!" (He was also told that the
> deckhands on his boat aren't necessarily chosen for their boating skills and
> that Mr. Diller is a behemoth in more than just his bank account.)
>
> So, anywhooo, the presumption seems to be that Diller gets DVF as a hostess for
> his parties and business affairs, she gets the money, and they both get the
> comfortable companionship of a good friend. The children end up getting $500
> million each.
>
> Not a bad arrangement if everyone is happy.
=====
True. These 'Hamptons' must get very crowded...everyone seems to go there - well
maybe not the demimonde... :)
Gioff
G-B
Lethal Injectn wrote:
> From: G-B tarn...@lexicon.net
>
> >>Lethal Injectn wrote:
>
> > From: "SEAN" seann...@here.com
> >
> > snip.
> >
> > >Still, with the Shahbanou?? I mean, she seems so holie than thou. When was
> > this? How on earth does Anne-Marie tolerate her? Start dishing!! >
> >
> > The affair with Farah was around the Persepolis celebrations. Anne-Marie
> took
> > it as she did the rest: with resignation. I don't think a divorce was really
> > possible in her eyes and she had the children to consider. She weathered the
> > storm and I think their marriage is more solid now than it was then. Or
> > perhaps "settled" and "comfortable" are better words.
>
> Dear oh dear with all that was going on during those celebrations, feasts,
> processions, costume changes, nail filing and cake baking I'm surprised Farah
> had
> time to scratch herself let alone a romp amongst the cushions in one the tents
> with
> C... Any self respecting hostess of such a big get-together would have been
> whacked off her head from valium or gin...>>
>
> When I said "around the Persepolis celebrations," I meant around the general
> time, not necessarily at the actual celebrations themselves. Sorry for my lack
> of clarity.
>
> As for the affair itself, she supposedly launched into it out of frustration
> with her husband's affairs/mistresses and, presumably, as a way of getting back
> at him. Since the 2 couples spent so much time with each other during that
> time, it must be have very awkward for Anne-Marie.
>
> BTW, another little bit of gossip concerning the 2 families: I grew up hearing
> how the Pahlavis financially supported Constantine and the Greek RF during the
> 70s and when they were in exile. Apparently, the Pahlavis sent money straight
> to their bank every few months or something. I don't know how much it was or
> how long the situation lasted but it certainly adds to the messiness of the
> whole thing.
=====
I've always wondered how the C's supported themselves, because I know the Danes
aren't super rich. I remember C being asked in a documentary how he did it but he
(quite rightly, I guess) refused to answer.
Gioff
G-B
"Tara O." wrote:
===
Yes. Thats's about the situration!
Gioff
G-B
Wull wrote:
====
Time for you to spill the beans Wull & get it off your chest! You can't carry
these things on (around?) your shoulders forever.... :)
Gioff
Wull
never read that title with the name
D. V-F.
Wull
G-B
Candide wrote:
Yep. That's how it seems to be. But as you say in different words, women
(most) instinctively protect their nests.
Gioff
G-B
Jean Sue Libkind wrote:
====
Tack för det!
Gioff
G-B
Elisabet Bartram wrote:
> G-B <tarn...@lexicon.net> wrote in message news:<3F0CFA5F...@lexicon.net>...
> > That reminds me of a cushion I saw in Sydney a few months ago with cross
> > stitching - "I'd rather be nouveau riche than no riche at all" :)
>
> Well, but this happened in Sydney. ;)
>
> Elisabeta
>
> >
> > Gioff
=====
Ooooooh Elisabeta, that hurt! Just as well I'm in Melbourne! :)
Gioff
Kelly
Rumour has it that the Greek shipping magnates discreetly hand over cash
several times a year.
Kelly
--
What we see depends mainly on what we look for.
Loreen
Or maybe she just had a thing for fabulously handsome men...lol
>^..^<
Loreen
>Danes
>> aren't super rich. I remember C being asked in a documentary how he did
>it but he
>> (quite rightly, I guess) refused to answer.
>>
>> Gioff
>>
>
>Rumour has it that the Greek shipping magnates discreetly hand over cash
>several times a year.
>
>Kelly
How pathetic. I can't imagine the humiliation of having to live like that.
Surely his self-esteem would be far better served if he had a legitimate job
and income.
>^..^<
Lethal Injectn
>>Or maybe she just had a thing for fabulously handsome men...lol
>
>>^..^<
I think Onassis had charisma and, probably, much charm. He also probably had
the magnetism which very powerful, driven, successful men sometimes have. But
"fabulously handsome"?
Lethal Injectn
MEOW - August DETAILS Mag
Posted by Diz on 7/10/2003, 5:47 pm
12.91.119.17
Just opened the mail and found an article in this magazine call "Deposed
Royalty-Aristocrats may no longer rule Europe countries, but their titles are
still worth a free ride in America". Five couples are shown the second picture
is of Pavlos and MC and the fifth picture is Alex boy with Nathalie Lyons. I
won't type all but the catty parts: "Stressing their connection to the English
crown, they named Prince William godfather of their second baby...(A report in
the Ottawa Citizen dryly noted that the event "marks yet another social triumph
for the baby's maternal grandparents, the duty free retail billionaire Robert
Miller and his wife, Chantal) But the joke was on them in June of 2001, when
they christened their third child,...in London. The British royals didn't turn
up because the christening had been scheduled on Election Day (trust a prince
not to know about elections). They had to make do with Queen Sofia of Spain,
Ernst of Hanover and a bunch of Bulgarians."
It mentions Alexandre and a recent altercation with the police outside of the
hotel where he is living since splitting with his heiress wife, they don't even
mention her name. But they do say "Meanwhile, his wife was running around
London with habitual modelizing playboy Tim Jeffries."
The article goes on about the "Junior International Club whose members are
elected by a committee that judges them on background, breeding and bucks...the
original JIC, a series of roaming social functions at Euro friendly clubs like
Au Bar was where duty-free heiress Marie-Chantal Miller, 33...got her taste for
nobility. The match harked back to the Gilded Age, when American robber barons
married their daughters off to cash-strapped European aristocrats. Princess
Marie-Chantal, as she is now known, could be called a modern-day Consuelo
Vanderbilt..."
It mentions Brown University having more than its share of on-campus royalty
and names some of the yet-to-be claimed princes and lords.
http://members4.boardhost.com/alexb247/msg/25359.html
Lethal Injectn
>>Oh, I sort of picture Pavlos and Marie Chantal like Burt Lancaster and
Barbara
Stanwyck in "Sorry Wrong Number."
>^..^< >>
That is a dreadful comparison. And I just love it. <g>
Lethal Injectn
>Exactly so!
>
>Love and sex have absolutely _*nothing*_ to do with each other. Women have
been misled to believe sex is an expression of love-it isn't.>>
Oh please! No-one thinks it's sex that shows love. It's diamonds, you big
silly!
<G>
Loreen
Read = sarcasm.
If she only had sex with him once, she deserved a reasonable widow's share of
his estate!
>^..^<
Loreen
>
>Surely his self-esteem would be far better served if he had a legitimate job
>and income.
>>^..^< >>
>
>better
>(even if barely) to take it from his former subjects than from another RF
>whose
>Queen he slept with. I can't explain it but something about that just seems
>very.... <shrug>
Living off *anyone* else's money in the manner that he does when he could
easily get a legitimate job is pathetic and shameful.
>^..^<
Lethal Injectn
> >>>>Or maybe she just had a thing for fabulously handsome men...lol
>>>
>>>>^..^<
>>>I think Onassis had charisma and, probably, much charm. He also probably
had the magnetism which very powerful, driven, successful men sometimes have.
But "fabulously handsome"? >
>Read = sarcasm.>
Phew! I'm relieved. But I didn't want to be rude because beauty (or
handsomeness, in this case) is in the eye of the beholder and, obviously,
Callas saw something in him.
>If she only had sex with him once, she deserved a reasonable widow's share of
his estate! >
>>^..^<
I don't disagree. However, wasn't there some sort of pre-nup which limited how
much she would receive? If so, then she should have received only what she was
entitled to under the agreement.
Wull
one time is a little excessive.
That is more than reasonable.
My favorite quote about AO was when he gave a
fabulous party and wore 6 inch high shoes. He was
about 5.5". A comment was made about his height
and when someone made a comment about his height,
one guest said, when he stands on his money, he is
taller than anybody, :-)
Wull
Wull
for less than the $25 million that she wanted.
Christina said, give her the damn 25 million and
never mention her name in front of me again.
Wull
Candide
> From: "Candide" PityM...@bigfoot.com> news:20030709203117...@mb-m29.aol.com...
> > From: jagut...@aol.com
> >
> > >I think the main difference is that Chris Getty is the only one of
the
> husbands who isn't dependent on the Miller fortune.>>
> >
And people still insist all marriges are based on hot and passionte
*LOVE*!
But as gays are now marrying and having children, wouldn't it be the
height of irony if Mr. Diller bolts frm DVF and marries a 20 something
guy and starts a family of his own?
Just how does one recover from that?
Candide
Candide
> From: "Candide" PityM...@bigfoot.com
>
> >"The first man that can think up a good reason for being in love with
his wife
> and another woman, is going to win that prize they are always handing
out in
> Sweden"
> >+++++++++
> >"The Women" - Claire Booth-Luce
>
>
> Your quote is hysterical. They are showing "The Women" (the play, not
the
> movie) here and I was torn between seeing that or seeing "The
Mousetrap." I
> think I just decided. :)
If the play is the new production by Issac Mizrahi (sp), you will love
it.
Gorgeous costumes and a fabulous cast, well at least the NYC cast was
with that tall blonde girl from "Third Rock from the Sun" as Edith.
The play is very different from the movie which had dialogue that was
toned down from Miss. Booth Luce's razor cutting wit.
In the play when Edith announces she's expecting again Mary zings:
"Edith I can't figure out if your careless or Catholic"!
Still just love the movie, have it on tape and watch it at least once a
month.
Candide
Candide
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Its called "Danger Money"!
If it were me I'd not only welcome a mistress, I'd cook Maria Callas
breakfast the next morning. Anything to get out of having to go
"upstairs".
Candide
Candide
> >Regardless of the structure by which she gets her money, I'm sure
Pavlos has
> >access to much of it because, like you, I can't imagine him getting a
monthly
> >check from his wife!
> >
> >
>
> Oh, I sort of picture Pavlos and Marie Chantal like Burt Lancaster and
Barbara
> Stanwyck in "Sorry Wrong Number."
>
> >^..^<
Too funny! Too, too funny.
MC lying in bed on the phone "I need a nurse, don't you understand I'm
not a well woman".
Candide
Jean Sue Libkind
lethal...@aol.com wrote on 7/10/03 8:19 PM:
> Oh please! No-one thinks it's sex that shows love. It's diamonds, you big
> silly!
> <G>
Yes, and big diamonds at that.
js
Jean Sue Libkind
lethal...@aol.com wrote on 7/10/03 7:54 PM:
> I think Onassis had charisma and, probably, much charm. He also probably had
> the magnetism which very powerful, driven, successful men sometimes have. But
> "fabulously handsome"?
Every Greek man I've met has charisma and charm.
js
Candide
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My personal favourite expression love is a document that begins with
"the property that begins....and extends to..... for a total of X
acres....." and is signed by an attorney and witnessed by a notary.
Nothing says personal security like real estate! *LOL*
Candide
Wull
At least you are honest.
BTW, I forgot to ask your age. I know so little
about you I can't even guess.
Wull