The other shoe drops! /Was Lutheran Church
PK
> > lyrics - Eleanor Rigby, for instance, is a most peculiar song.
>
> Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
>
> 'Imagine no possesions,
> I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> He certainly couldn't !! Nor could Yokie..
> The whole concept of this song is explained in the book 'Left Behind',
> which I neither applaud or boo.
> 'No religion too'
>
> http://www.merseyworld.com/imagine/lyrics/imagine.htm
PK
You are aware that most atheists don't worship Satan? In fact, by
definition, atheists don't even believe in the devil. God, what
massive idiocy.
jlk7e
Hahahahahahahhahaha....God??? In an atheist declaration!??!?! You must
perform at Comedy Central. Thanks...we were long over due for a
laugh!!
Here's a Clue to be getting on with....
Lucifer WORSHIPS atheists. You'll twig in time.
PK
Atlantis Magazine
"PK" <p...@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
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> > > Furthermore, there is an 'anti-Christian' spirit in many of the
Beatles
> > > lyrics - Eleanor Rigby, for instance, is a most peculiar song.
> >
> > Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
> >
> > 'Imagine no possesions,
> > I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> > He certainly couldn't !! Nor could Yokie..
Her name is "Yoko." Use it.
Holly W.
Umm, PK, I think you're the one who hasn't "twigged" it, cookie. In
order for people to believe Satan exists, and therefore worship
him,they have to believe God exists. If people are atheists, they
don't believe God exists so therefore they cannot believe Satan
exists...so why on earth would Satan (if he exists) want atheists
around? They don't believe in *any* religion, and Satanism is
certainly a religion... what a silly woman you are...
jlk7e
> > > lyrics - Eleanor Rigby, for instance, is a most peculiar song.
> >
> > Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
> >
> > 'Imagine no possesions,
> > I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> > He certainly couldn't !! Nor could Yokie..
> > The whole concept of this song is explained in the book 'Left Behind',
> > which I neither applaud or boo.
> > 'No religion too'
> >
> > http://www.merseyworld.com/imagine/lyrics/imagine.htm
>
> PK
>
> You are aware that most atheists don't worship Satan? In fact, by
> definition, atheists don't even believe in the devil. God, what
> massive idiocy.
>
> jlk7e
>
> Hahahahahahahhahaha....God??? In an atheist declaration!??!?! You must
> perform at Comedy Central. Thanks...we were long over due for a
> laugh!!
I am not an atheist. I'm an agnostic. And neither state should
prevent people from being able to use common expressions. And if God
exists, I suspects he's laughing at you a lot more than at me.
> Here's a Clue to be getting on with....
> Lucifer WORSHIPS atheists. You'll twig in time.
You do realize that such a claim is utterly unconvincing to somebody
who doesn't already believe in God and the devil? You see, I don't
believe that there is a devil, and so, your argument that the devil
likes me because I'm (supposedly) an atheist has no effect upon me.
It's like telling me that Santa Claus hates me. Especially since
there are likely a lot of believers who don't buy your intolerant
bullshit.
Nynthlyfe9
===============
While she may be a silly woman, the above post does not go to that premise,
unless you think all right-wing Christians "silly".
The belief is that Satan loves atheists and agnostics {worships I think was the
v.} because their souls are coming to him in the end. They have turned their
faces from God's love, and left an empty chasm....they also,by declaring
themselves agnostic/atheisists are helping to spread deniabilty of God.
Dont listen to Born Agains, do you?
t
everyone knows it
from the Queen of England
to the Hounds of Hell
Susan Cohen
"Atlantis Magazine" <pe...@atlantis-magazine.com> wrote in message
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I think monks & nuns who take vows of poverty would be awfully shocked to
find that they are unChristian.
SusanC
>
>
PK
Time for your nap...and a fresh nappie.
PK
I SAID NOTHING ABOUT SATAN WORSHIP OR ATHEISTS>>>>>IT WAS JLK7E who
mentioned ATHEISTS to me.......
You continue to demonstrate that you aren't coherent. TRY to
comprehend words, please.
TIA
PK
> p...@e-garfield.com (PK) wrote in message news:<779e0422.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > Furthermore, there is an 'anti-Christian' spirit in many of the Beatles
> > > > lyrics - Eleanor Rigby, for instance, is a most peculiar song.
> > >
> > > Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
> > >
> > > 'Imagine no possesions,
> > > I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> > > He certainly couldn't !! Nor could Yokie..
> > > The whole concept of this song is explained in the book 'Left Behind',
> > > which I neither applaud or boo.
> > > 'No religion too'
> > >
> > > http://www.merseyworld.com/imagine/lyrics/imagine.htm
> >
> > PK
> >
> > You are aware that most atheists don't worship Satan? In fact, by
> > definition, atheists don't even believe in the devil. God, what
> > massive idiocy.
> >
> > jlk7e
> >
> > Hahahahahahahhahaha....God??? In an atheist declaration!??!?! You must
> > perform at Comedy Central. Thanks...we were long over due for a
> > laugh!!
>
> I am not an atheist. I'm an agnostic.
I did NOT say YOU are ANYONE was an atheist. YOU brought up
atheists...not ME. Nothing I have said pertains to Atheists....try to
absorb that much, please.
Please stop going on about satan and atheists and devil worship TO ME.
I'm not interested in those topics...
PK
Holly W.
Yes, actually, it does. Why on earth would Satan worship anyone who
doesn't believe in him? And as he is supposed to be a supernatural
being, why would he worship mere humanity? That makes no sense
whatsoever and therefore PK's statement is a silly one at best. And
what makes her silly herself is that she believes that she is making
sense when she is not,and then claims others aren't making sense when,
in fact, they are.
> unless you think all right-wing Christians "silly".
There's that vast generalization again... I'm speaking of PK, and
only PK. She is the one who made a particularly silly statement by
claiming "Lucifer worships atheists."
> The belief is that Satan loves atheists and agnostics {worships I think was the
> v.} because their souls are coming to him in the end.
Yes, thanks, I'm familiar with that belief--and it's an erroneous one
at best. Atheists don't believe in any religion, Satanism included.
Hence the term "atheism."
They have turned their
> faces from God's love, and left an empty chasm
Not according to to true atheism. Atheists haven't turned from God's
love because they don't believe in God, or in any god for that matter.
So how can there be an empty chasm when according to that particular
line of thought a Divine Being doesn't exist at all?
....they also,by declaring
> themselves agnostic/atheisists are helping to spread deniabilty of God.
And the deniability of Satan as well. Why? Satanism is just as much
a religion as Christianity. Why is that? Because it demands the
belief of a higher and more powerful figure than Man, ie, a divine
being. Atheists don't believe in divine beings,so how on earth can
they believe in Satan who is supposed to be a supernatural being?
> Dont listen to Born Agains, do you?
> t
Listening to born-again Christians is one thing; believing in what
many of them say is something else. Please don't assume I'm not
familiar with the rhetoric of fundamentalism just because I don't
believe in it.
Holly W.
St. Francis, for starters... and Mother Teresa for enders...
jlk7e
> ===============
> While she may be a silly woman, the above post does not go to that premise,
> unless you think all right-wing Christians "silly".
I'd be willing to go with that, although I don't think that's really
where the silliness comes in.
> The belief is that Satan loves atheists and agnostics {worships I think was the
> v.} because their souls are coming to him in the end. They have turned their
> faces from God's love, and left an empty chasm....they also,by declaring
> themselves agnostic/atheisists are helping to spread deniabilty of God.
> Dont listen to Born Agains, do you?
I think what's really silly is the premise that such a claim is
convincing to anyone who doesn't already accept a right wing Christian
viewpoint, and particularly that it might be convincing to agnostics
or (especially) atheists.
Holly W.
Then why did you bring them up in the first place?
Holly W.
Umm, I really think you need to re-read what you wrote that started
the whole thread (it appears at the top of this thread as well):
"Here's a Clue to be getting on with....
Lucifer WORSHIPS atheists. You'll twig in time."
By golly, there you are mentioning Lucifer and atheists, right at the
very top of this post in which you claim you didn't... I don't think
I'm the one who needs to learn to comprehend anything!;)
Jean Sue Libkind
Holl...@yahoo.com wrote on 7/11/03 1:58 AM:
>> Dont listen to Born Agains, do you?
>> t
>
> Listening to born-again Christians is one thing; believing in what
> many of them say is something else. Please don't assume I'm not
> familiar with the rhetoric of fundamentalism just because I don't
> believe in it.
Wonderful post, Holly, and so much more moderate than I would have been. My
answer to "t's" question is simply, "NO."
js
Susan Cohen
"Holly W." <Holl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> By golly, there you are mentioning Lucifer and atheists, right at the
> very top of this post in which you claim you didn't... I don't think
> I'm the one who needs to learn to comprehend anything!;)
Lucifer worships? I thought the point was for him to get people to worship
him!
Of course, I could have been given wrong information.
SusanC
jlk7e
You were talking about the lyrics to "Imagine", in response to
mhlife's comment that they were messages about Satan. What about
"Imagine" puzzled you, exactly? I assumed it was all those atheist
lines like "Imagine there's no heaven, I wonder if you could; no hell
below us, above us only sky". And so forth. Since your comment
seemed to be supporting mhlife's claim that the Beatles were
Satanists, I was noting that nothing in the lyrics to that song would
support claims of satanism, unless you assume that atheists worship
satan.
Nynthlyfe9
>> t
>
> Listening to born-again Christians is one thing; believing in what
> many of them say is something else. Please don't assume I'm not
> familiar with the rhetoric of fundamentalism just because I don't
> believe in it.
Wonderful post, Holly, and so much more moderate than I would have been. My
answer to "t's" question is simply, "NO."
js
----------------
Actually Holly's post completely evaded the point I was making.....
I enjoy listening, and talking about religion......and some of my closest
friends are B.As...IMO, they sail perilously close to the heresy of Manichism,
butit woulnd be heresy to them,would it?
Some B.A.s I admit are like Susan C's posts......A bad wreck on the highway you
want to avoid looking at, but at which you still must peek.
A statement made by one of the most fervent B.A.s I know[and in dead
seriousness also]..." there are few things most B.A.s agree on except
Abortion[against it :)],...OH!, and gun control of course!"...???????????
Nynthlyfe9
> While she may be a silly woman, the above post does not go to that premise,
> unless you think all right-wing Christians "silly".
I'd be willing to go with that, although I don't think that's really
where the silliness comes in.
> The belief is that Satan loves atheists and agnostics {worships I think was
the
> v.} because their souls are coming to him in the end. They have turned their
> faces from God's love, and left an empty chasm....they also,by declaring
> themselves agnostic/atheisists are helping to spread deniabilty of God.
> Dont listen to Born Agains, do you?
I think what's really silly is the premise that such a claim is
convincing to anyone who doesn't already accept a right wing Christian
viewpoint, and particularly that it might be convincing to agnostics
or (especially) atheists.
=================
From that
POV you are correct, but I am not sure she was trying to convince....
Most B.A.s I know, just pronounce *their* truth, as if it were the *only*
truth, and then close their ears.
That in itself does not make them "silly"...maddening,impossible,exasperating,
boring and perhaps even Pig -headed,but I think "silly" the wrong adj. to apply
to any True Believers religion.....even those who beloieve in the great
Pumpkin.
Jean Sue Libkind
nynth...@aol.com wrote on 7/11/03 2:24 PM:
> I enjoy listening, and talking about religion......and some of my closest
> friends are B.As.
So do I but at my age I choose to do it with reasonable people only. Life
is short.... I lived in the South for four years and had it up to my armpits
with B.A.s, especially after they circulated a petition in the neighborhood
of our Fellowship that all Unitarians go to Hell.
Hard to go somewhere you don't believe exists.
--
jeansue
"I don't fear hell and I don't look forward to heaven"--Katharine Hepburn.
Holly W.
> > Dont listen to Born Agains, do you?
> >> t
> >
> > Listening to born-again Christians is one thing; believing in what
> > many of them say is something else. Please don't assume I'm not
> > familiar with the rhetoric of fundamentalism just because I don't
> > believe in it.
>
>
> Wonderful post, Holly, and so much more moderate than I would have been. My
> answer to "t's" question is simply, "NO."
>
> js
>
>
> ----------------
> Actually Holly's post completely evaded the point I was making.....
Then please clarify your point. This is what I got out of your post:
1. That my response to PK did not lead to the premise that she is a
silly woman. I showed how she was a silly woman, so I don't think I
evaded the point you made here.
2.That the only way I could say PK was silly was to say all right-wing
Christians were silly. That's a false statement, logically, and it's
not one that I would ever make--in case you haven't noticed, I don't
like making vast and sweeping generalizations. I did not think it
needed an in-depth reply because it was not germane to my argument and
it didn't seem to make any sense within what I understand your
argument to be at this point in your post, ie, that all right-wing
Christians think the way PK does. That simply is not true and I
didn't understand why you'd be making a point that had nothing to do
with what I'd actually written.
3. That born-again Christians believe turning from God--ie, atheism as
they understand it--means that Satan loves atheists because their
souls will be his. Again, this wasn't exactly germane to my argument,
but I answered as well as I could by pointing out the fallacy of this
belief and why PK's statement to the effect that "Lucifer worships
atheists" was silly.
4. That atheists deny God, and spread that denial. Well, once again,
I addressed that and explained it as well as I could by pointing out
this is another fallacy--atheists can't deny something they don't
believe in, and since they don't believe in religion then they cannot
believe in either God or Satan.
5.That I don't listen to born-again Christians. I stated that I
listened to them, but I didn't believe in the rhetoric of
fundamentalism.
Now, please tell me what point did I miss or fail to address?
Holly W.
and she was even sillier trying to make it stick. I wasn't talking
about born-again Christians or fundamentalist Christians, or anything
that you seemed to assume I was talking about. I was only talking
about PK and her absurd statement about Lucifer worshipping atheists.
Once again, this was not a vast and general point I made, it was
specific to the situation and the person.
Holly W.
Hey, don't ask me,I don't believe in him!;)
Susan Cohen
Don't expect a straight answer.
Just from what she posts below, it is clear that she is posting only to see
the sound of her own voice.
SusanC
> >
> >
> > I enjoy listening, and talking about religion......and some of my
closest
> > friends are B.As...IMO, they sail perilously close to the heresy of
Manichism,
> > butit woulnd be heresy to them,would it?
> > Some B.A.s I admit are like Susan C's posts......A bad wreck on the
highway you
> > want to avoid looking at, but at which you still must peek.
Do grow up. Please. If only for your own sake.
PK
Wrong! Jk44pe or whatever his name is MENTIONED THEM to ME and I was only replying.
PK
PK
No I was not talking about the lyrics in reference to satan...I was
talking about the NO RELIGION bit...I emphasized that and that Lennon
was a money hungry bloke....Materialistic...
I will say Sorry to you becuase I think you genuinely misunderstood
me...and I can see why..now that you've elaborated. That the usual
harridans saw fit to go for the jugular over naught but their
blinkered comprehension added to my frustration at once again having
MY words twisted into THEIR perversion of fact.
Thank you for your honesty and the explanation.
PK
Holly W.
> in article 20030711142453...@mb-m22.aol.com, Nynthlyfe9 at
> nynth...@aol.com wrote on 7/11/03 2:24 PM:
>
> > I enjoy listening, and talking about religion......and some of my closest
> > friends are B.As.
>
> So do I but at my age I choose to do it with reasonable people only. Life
> is short.... I lived in the South for four years and had it up to my armpits
> with B.A.s, especially after they circulated a petition in the neighborhood
> of our Fellowship that all Unitarians go to Hell.
>
> Hard to go somewhere you don't believe exists.
I had someone in the South (in the same town you and I lived in at
different times) ask me once if the Episcopal Church I attended was a
Christian one. The questioner didn't understand why I started
laughing and couldn't stop.;)
jlk7e
> Teri, you missed the point I was making. PK's statement was silly,
> and she was even sillier trying to make it stick. I wasn't talking
> about born-again Christians or fundamentalist Christians, or anything
> that you seemed to assume I was talking about. I was only talking
> about PK and her absurd statement about Lucifer worshipping atheists.
> Once again, this was not a vast and general point I made, it was
> specific to the situation and the person.
Hmm... if there were a Satan, and he works as fundamentalist
Christians believe him to, I imagine that atheists, especially
proselytizing atheists, would be useful to him, since they're going to
hell, and possibly taking others with them by their efforts. I doubt
he would worship them, because that would be pretty silly. What I
objected to was much more the fact that PK seems to feel that bald
assertion based on faulty premises is a valid form of argument.
Kendra
I've been asked if Catholics are Christian.
Nynthlyfe9
-----------------
ok. I misunderstood.
PK
PK
priapus...@hotmail.com
> ===============
> > > While she may be a silly woman, the above post does not go to that premise,
> > > unless you think all right-wing Christians "silly".
>
>
all have a few silly opinions, but that doesn't necessarily make us
silly people or silly about everything. Personally I feel that it's
pretty silly to think that any story about magic is inspired by
Lucifer. Harry Potter, the Wizard of Oz, the old US sitcom Bewitched,
all works of Satan and if you read or watch them you put your soul
into mortal danger.That's just about as silly as it's possible to get
IMO but it doesn't mean that everything else you may believe is silly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jean Sue Libkind
ken...@mail.earlychildhood.com wrote on 7/11/03 9:54 PM:
I've had to explain to a Catholic that Protestants were Christian.
It's the "only us" sin-drome.
js
Holly W.
PK, people responded to what you actually wrote. No twisting of
words, nothing. You wrote that "Lucifer worships atheists." It's on
record, so please stop denying that you wrote this.
And,btw, who are the "harridans" you are referring to?
> PK
Holly W.
> > nynth...@aol.com (Nynthlyfe9) wrote in message news:<20030711143127...@mb-m22.aol.com>...
>
> > Teri, you missed the point I was making. PK's statement was silly,
> > and she was even sillier trying to make it stick. I wasn't talking
> > about born-again Christians or fundamentalist Christians, or anything
> > that you seemed to assume I was talking about. I was only talking
> > about PK and her absurd statement about Lucifer worshipping atheists.
> > Once again, this was not a vast and general point I made, it was
> > specific to the situation and the person.
>
> Hmm... if there were a Satan, and he works as fundamentalist
> Christians believe him to, I imagine that atheists, especially
> proselytizing atheists, would be useful to him, since they're going to
> hell, and possibly taking others with them by their efforts. I doubt
> he would worship them, because that would be pretty silly.
This is what I thought.
What I
> objected to was much more the fact that PK seems to feel that bald
> assertion based on faulty premises is a valid form of argument.
Again, I agree about this as well.
mhlife
"jlk7e" <jl...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:bdf17ac8.03071...@posting.google.com...
> You were talking about the lyrics to "Imagine", in response to
> mhlife's comment that they were messages about Satan<<<
_____________
Please don't ascribe comments to me that are not mine.
I have never said that the Fab Four were Satanists, neither have I even
mentioned the lyrics to 'Imagine'!
What I said was that the Beatles included hidden messages in some of their
album tacks - which, when played backwards, reveal coherent messages such as
'Satan is god', and 'Legalise marijuana
I have heard these myself - so your denials (you must be a fan) don't, I'm
afraid, cut any ice with me.
Further, I'm old enough to remember Lennon stating that the Beatles were,
'More popular than Jesus'. Well, Lennon's soul is now in Hell, and the Lord
Jesus still reigns on the right hand of the Father - and will come again to
judge both the living and the dead.
If it's all the same to you, I'll put my trust in Him, rather than a drug
addled pretentious hypocrite who wrote songs deriding 'possessions' in the
back of his Rolls Royce......
mhlife
> PK, people responded to what you actually wrote. No twisting of
> words, nothing. You wrote that "Lucifer worships atheists." It's on
> record, so please stop denying that you wrote this.>
_____________
If you were not so utterly determined to find fault with *everything* that
PK writes, you would see that she is, in essence, perfectly correct.
The devil has only one aim - and that is drag as many souls into damnation
with him before his allotted time comes to an end and, that being so, he
endorses *anything* that is not of God - including atheism. It's not
important to him *how* people get to Hell - merely that they die unsaved.
Don't ever make the mistake of thinking about him in terms of a caricature
holding a toasting fork and swishing pointed tail! - we are dealing with a
being of stupendous power, incalculable malice and unimaginable evil.
A fallen being with such authority that even the angels dare not rebuke him
directly - but say, 'The Lord rebuke thee"
The bible teaches us that God 'is love' - not 'loving' , but 'Love' itself.
Without God their is no love, can be no love, will be no love. Without God
there is only terror, fear, hatred, cruelty, and agonising torment.
People sometimes talk of 'hell on earth' - rubbish! Even in the most
terrible circumstance of life their is hope. even amidst cruelty one can
find love - and it's only because, fallen sinful world though this might be,
it still contains the presence of God, and because of His presence we are
able to love and care for others.
do you love your children?, your mother, your father, your wife, or husband?
If so, you are only able to do so because of the presence of God in this
world. Without God there is no love - and no capacity to love others.
That, sadly, is what Hell will be like - an eternity of damnation where none
can love or be loved - where the child wishes the parent only the purest
evil, and the parent seeks only to inflict pain upon the child.
It will be like that because there will be no presence of God in Hell.
It's very sobering stuff if you allow yourself to think about it.
Wull
sometimes it gets the best of me.
mhlife wrote:
> Don't ever make the mistake of thinking about him in terms of a caricature
> holding a toasting fork and swishing pointed tail! - we are dealing with a
> being of stupendous power, incalculable malice and unimaginable evil.
Hmmmmmm, I have an idea who fits this description
best? And I am really surprised at the swishing
remark, :-)
> That, sadly, is what Hell will be like - an eternity of damnation where none
> can love or be loved - where the child wishes the parent only the purest
> evil, and the parent seeks only to inflict pain upon the child.
Where did you get the concept of what hell is? Are
you now claiming to be omniscient? If there is
such a state, I don't think you will know till you
get there.
>
> It will be like that because there will be no presence of God in Hell.
If there is a hell, that is what it shall be 'the
absence of G_D'
That concept would fit all religions.
Wull
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PK
> > > > > > Furthermore, there is an 'anti-Christian' spirit in many of the Beatles
> > > > > > lyrics - Eleanor Rigby, for instance, is a most peculiar song.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
> > > > >
> > > > > 'Imagine no possesions,
> > > > > I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> > > > > He certainly couldn't !! Nor could Yokie..
> > > > > The whole concept of this song is explained in the book 'Left Behind',
> > > > > which I neither applaud or boo.
> > > > > 'No religion too'
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.merseyworld.com/imagine/lyrics/imagine.htm
> > > >
> > > > PK
> > > >
> > > > You are aware that most atheists don't worship Satan? In fact, by
> > > > definition, atheists don't even believe in the devil. God, what
> > > > massive idiocy.
> > > >
> > > > jlk7e
> > > >
> > > > Hahahahahahahhahaha....God??? In an atheist declaration!??!?! You must
> > > > perform at Comedy Central. Thanks...we were long over due for a
> > > > laugh!!
> > >
> >
> > I did NOT say YOU are ANYONE was an atheist. YOU brought up
> > atheists...not ME. Nothing I have said pertains to Atheists....try to
> > absorb that much, please.
> > Please stop going on about satan and atheists and devil worship TO ME.
> > I'm not interested in those topics...
> >
> > PK
>
> Then why did you bring them up in the first place?
You must be pretending...no one can be as stupid as you appear to be.
The two men brought up the subject.
PK
julian
> p...@e-garfield.com (PK) wrote in message news:<779e0422.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > Furthermore, there is an 'anti-Christian' spirit in many of the Beatles
> > > > lyrics - Eleanor Rigby, for instance, is a most peculiar song.
> > >
> > > Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
> > >
> > > 'Imagine no possesions,
> > > I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> > > He certainly couldn't !! Nor could Yokie..
> > > The whole concept of this song is explained in the book 'Left Behind',
> > > which I neither applaud or boo.
> > > 'No religion too'
> > >
> > > http://www.merseyworld.com/imagine/lyrics/imagine.htm
> >
> > PK
> >
> > You are aware that most atheists don't worship Satan? In fact, by
> > definition, atheists don't even believe in the devil. God, what
> > massive idiocy.
> >
> > jlk7e
======================================
Of course atheists don't worship Satan. Excuse me, but where was that
ever stated? I think you're deliberately distorting other people's
words for your own evident immediate and ongoing objectives here. A
valid point which has already been made clear to you by someone else
about all this: from a Christian perspective, and one which includes
the acknowledgement that the Devil *does* exist, it's perfectly
reasonable to conclude that every human soul that turns away from God
is one which the Devil would delight in. And no, I'm not a born-again
Christian, but then it doesn't require being a born-again Christian to
understand the logic they would follow from within their particular
framework of belief. To understand here is not necessarily to agree.
> > Hahahahahahahhahaha....God??? In an atheist declaration!??!?! You must
> > perform at Comedy Central. Thanks...we were long over due for a
> > laugh!!
>
> I am not an atheist. I'm an agnostic. And neither state should
> prevent people from being able to use common expressions. And if God
> exists, I suspects he's laughing at you a lot more than at me.
>
> > Here's a Clue to be getting on with....
> > Lucifer WORSHIPS atheists. You'll twig in time.
>
> You do realize that such a claim is utterly unconvincing to somebody
> who doesn't already believe in God and the devil? You see, I don't
> believe that there is a devil, and so, your argument that the devil
> likes me because I'm (supposedly) an atheist has no effect upon me.
> It's like telling me that Santa Claus hates me. Especially since
> there are likely a lot of believers who don't buy your intolerant
> bullshit.
Holly W.
Sigh, again, your words: "Lucifer loves atheists." You wrote this,
not me, pumpkin. No matter how much you deny it, you wrote it. I'm
not the stupid one here, lovey.
Nynthlyfe9
>
> PK
Sigh, again, your words: "Lucifer loves atheists." You wrote this,
not me, pumpkin. No matter how much you deny it, you wrote it. I'm
not the stupid one here, lovey.
----------------
Now I am confused.
I thought the verb you[all] were appalled at was.....W O R S H I P.
t
Holly W.
How can I be wrong when what you wrote is at the very top of this
post? And is clearly labeled as being from you? Take a look. Or,
failing that, take a look at what you posted at the very start of this
thread, because it's there as well, unaltered and all your own words.
>Jk44pe or whatever his name is MENTIONED THEM to ME and I was only
replying.
Umm, PK, whether you realize it or not, you are proving my point that
you are a silly woman. You stated--not anyone else, just you
yourself--that "Lucifer WORSHIPS atheists." Now,that's a direct quote
from your post above, so why deny that you didn't mention them? It
doesn't matter if someone else mentioned them as well; you're denying
that you ever wrote what, in fact, you did write. And "only replying"
doesn't absolve you of the responsibility of your own words. You
wrote them, not anyone else.
Holly W.
How can I be wrong when what you wrote is at the very top of this
post? And is clearly labeled as being from you? Take a look. Or,
failing that, take a look at what you posted at the very start of this
thread, because it's there as well, unaltered and all your own words.
>Jk44pe or whatever his name is MENTIONED THEM to ME and I was only
replying.
Umm, PK, whether you realize it or not, you are proving my point that
priapus...@hotmail.com
> I try not to reply to your twisted concepts, but
> sometimes it gets the best of me.
>
> mhlife wrote:
>
> > Don't ever make the mistake of thinking about him in terms of a caricature
> > holding a toasting fork and swishing pointed tail! - we are dealing with a
> > being of stupendous power, incalculable malice and unimaginable evil.
>
> Hmmmmmm, I have an idea who fits this description
> best? And I am really surprised at the swishing
> remark, :-)
>
>
> > That, sadly, is what Hell will be like - an eternity of damnation where none
> > can love or be loved - where the child wishes the parent only the purest
> > evil, and the parent seeks only to inflict pain upon the child.
>
> Where did you get the concept of what hell is? Are
> you now claiming to be omniscient? If there is
> such a state, I don't think you will know till you
> get there.
>
> >
> > It will be like that because there will be no presence of God in Hell.
>
> If there is a hell, that is what it shall be 'the
> absence of G_D'
>
> That concept would fit all religions.
>
> Wull
>
>
let him blaze away, but does anybody know why this guy mhlife (if it
is a guy) chooses such an odd pulpit to preach his hellfire and
damnation sermons from as this royalty gossip group? Or does he do it
all over the internet? And from some things he's said I gather that
he's British, which is really weird as nobody in Britain, not even the
Church of England, believes in hell anymore, although I know a lot of
Americans do. You meet some people in England who believe in God but I
have never met or heard of anybody here who believes in Satan.
Hey mhlife, I bet they have yahoo groups for occultists or even
"perverts"!Don't you think they might be more suitable congregations
than royal watchers for your sermons? But do carry on as you like, I
was just wondering.
PK
> jl...@juno.com (jlk7e) wrote in message news:<bdf17ac8.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > p...@e-garfield.com (PK) wrote in message news:<779e0422.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > > Furthermore, there is an 'anti-Christian' spirit in many of the Beatles
> > > > > lyrics - Eleanor Rigby, for instance, is a most peculiar song.
> > > >
> > > > Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
> > > >
> > > > 'Imagine no possesions,
> > > > I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> > > > He certainly couldn't !! Nor could Yokie..
> > > > The whole concept of this song is explained in the book 'Left Behind',
> > > > which I neither applaud or boo.
> > > > 'No religion too'
> > > >
> > > > http://www.merseyworld.com/imagine/lyrics/imagine.htm
> > >
> > > PK
> > >
> > > You are aware that most atheists don't worship Satan? In fact, by
> > > definition, atheists don't even believe in the devil. God, what
> > > massive idiocy.
> > >
> > > jlk7e
>
> ======================================
>
> Of course atheists don't worship Satan. Excuse me, but where was that
> ever stated?
Excuse me as well Julian but what we have here are perverters of the
truth and every word we post...not content to understand little and
moan a lot, they use Double Talk as bait. Of course none of them can
tell us where that oft repeated axiom was stated...because it
wasn't...it's all part and parcel of their intolerance of freedom of
speech.
I think you're deliberately distorting other people's
> words for your own evident immediate and ongoing objectives here.
Exactly, and for the evident pleasure they derive from being stroppy.
A
> valid point which has already been made clear to you by someone else
> about all this: from a Christian perspective, and one which includes
> the acknowledgement that the Devil *does* exist, it's perfectly
> reasonable to conclude that every human soul that turns away from God
> is one which the Devil would delight in. And no, I'm not a born-again
> Christian, but then it doesn't require being a born-again Christian to
> understand the logic they would follow from within their particular
> framework of belief. To understand here is not necessarily to agree.
Too right...anyone with half a brain would have assimilated the finely
detailed explanations so generously put forward. Pardon me for
thinking it was a simple misunderstanding instead of what you've made
plain...that it's a deliberate distortion for their own need to war
and then cry wolf!
>
PK
> > p...@e-garfield.com (PK) wrote in message news:<779e0422.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > > Furthermore, there is an 'anti-Christian' spirit in many of the Beatles
> > > > > lyrics - Eleanor Rigby, for instance, is a most peculiar song.
> > > >
> > > > Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
> > > >
> > > > 'Imagine no possesions,
> > > > I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> > > > He certainly couldn't !! Nor could Yokie..
> > > > The whole concept of this song is explained in the book 'Left Behind',
> > > > which I neither applaud or boo.
> > > > 'No religion too'
> > > >
> > > > http://www.merseyworld.com/imagine/lyrics/imagine.htm
> > >
> > > PK
> > >
> > > You are aware that most atheists don't worship Satan? In fact, by
> > > definition, atheists don't even believe in the devil. God, what
> > > massive idiocy.
> > >
> > > jlk7e
>
> ======================================
>
> Of course atheists don't worship Satan. Excuse me, but where was that
> ever stated?
Excuse me as well Julian but what we have here are perverters of the
truth and every word we post...not content to understand little and
moan a lot, they use Double Talk as bait. Of course none of them can
tell us where that oft repeated axiom was stated...because it
wasn't...it's all part and parcel of their intolerance of freedom of
speech.
I think you're deliberately distorting other people's
> words for your own evident immediate and ongoing objectives here.
Exactly, and for the evident pleasure they derive from being stroppy.
A
> valid point which has already been made clear to you by someone else
> about all this: from a Christian perspective, and one which includes
> the acknowledgement that the Devil *does* exist, it's perfectly
> reasonable to conclude that every human soul that turns away from God
> is one which the Devil would delight in. And no, I'm not a born-again
> Christian, but then it doesn't require being a born-again Christian to
> understand the logic they would follow from within their particular
> framework of belief. To understand here is not necessarily to agree.
Too right...anyone with half a brain would have assimilated the finely
detailed explanations so generously put forward. Pardon me for
thinking it was a simple misunderstanding instead of what you've made
plain...that it's a deliberate distortion for their own need to war
and then cry wolf! Well spotted Julian.
>
PK
Now there's a meaningful creed! A Classic sentence if ever there was
one.
It all harks back to phonics, Rev-Doc. Learning to read and comprehend
has become a lost art to the generations bereft of dog-ee for doggie ,
and the inability to sound out words. They're so busy trying to read
the words, they lose the meaning OR obscure it for their own intents.
Sacha
> > "PK" <p...@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
> > news:779e0422.03071...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > Furthermore, there is an 'anti-Christian' spirit in many of the
> Beatles
> > > > > lyrics - Eleanor Rigby, for instance, is a most peculiar song.
> > > >
> > > > Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
> > > >
> > > > 'Imagine no possesions,
> > > > I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> > > > He certainly couldn't !! Nor could Yokie..
> >
>
> Time for your nap...and a fresh nappie.
Oh dear, PK. People who live in glasshouses shouldn't strip off.
This instruction about 'Yoko' from the woman who calls the Prince of
Wales "Chazza" and "Biig Ears" and "Chuck" and Mrs Parker Bowles
"Cams" or "Milly"? Tut tut
Jean Sue Libkind
Holl...@yahoo.com wrote on 7/13/03 9:18 AM:
> you are a silly woman. You stated--not anyone else, just you
> yourself--that "Lucifer WORSHIPS atheists." Now,that's a direct quote
> from your post above, so why deny that you didn't mention them? It
> doesn't matter if someone else mentioned them as well; you're denying
> that you ever wrote what, in fact, you did write. And "only replying"
> doesn't absolve you of the responsibility of your own words. You
> wrote them, not anyone else.
"PK" means never having to say you're sorry.
js
Holly W.
> > The two men brought up the subject.
> >
> > PK
>
> Sigh, again, your words: "Lucifer loves atheists." You wrote this,
> not me, pumpkin. No matter how much you deny it, you wrote it. I'm
> not the stupid one here, lovey.
>
>
> ----------------
> Now I am confused.
> I thought the verb you[all] were appalled at was.....W O R S H I P.
>
> t
"Lucifer WORSHIPS atheists." Mea culpa on that...now let's see if she
will actually acknowledge what she, in fact did write... And no, I
wouldn't say I was "appalled" at the word "worship"; I was merely
puzzled as to why PK would make a silly statement based on a false
premise.
julian
===============================================
You might not like what he has to say, but belief in the devil is
hardly out the window, and I'm not sure where you're inferring that
from. I've seen and heard born-again groups in the U.K. who make it
very evident in what they say in public that they believe in the
devil's existence. Additionally, of course, most mainstream religions
haven't disavowed the existence of the devil in their interepretation
of Christian theology, so where do you draw that religious
establishments don't believe in hell or the devil? Just because
fundamentalism is very vocal in the U.S. doesn't mean that "nobody in
Britain...believes in hell anymore." Hardly true. Aside from which,
there are those who do claim to be satanists or devil worshippers and
have even formally organised themselves, e.g., the British Occult
Society which has a history of grave robbery to obtain corpses for
their satanic rituals.
Wull
existence of the devil had anything whatsoever to
do with any religion. You are reading it as if I
was talking from a Christian viewpoint. Please do
not put words in my mouth, thank you.
julian
Exactly. If anyone wanted a rational discussion about the presence of
the devil in Christian theology, he would have answered that. But
don't look to him to try and make his case--because he doesn't have
one. Furthermore, the recognition of the Devil in Christian belief is
hardly limited even to so-called fundamentalist thought.
julian
> Julian, I never said my statement about the
> existence of the devil had anything whatsoever to
> do with any religion. You are reading it as if I
> was talking from a Christian viewpoint. Please do
> not put words in my mouth, thank you.
======================================
I was responding to what the poster PriapusMaximus said, not your
statement. Specifically, that nobody in the U.K. believes in hell
anymore.
PK
Of course. ALL Christians accept that there is a Devil...Fundalmentalists indeed!
PK
PK
> p...@e-garfield.com (PK) wrote in message news:<779e0422.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > "Atlantis Magazine" <pe...@atlantis-magazine.com> wrote in message news:<aTjPa.40406$C83.3...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> > > "PK" <p...@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
> > > news:779e0422.03071...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > Furthermore, there is an 'anti-Christian' spirit in many of the
> Beatles
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
> > > > >
> > > > > 'Imagine no possesions,
> > > > > I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> > >
> > > Her name is "Yoko." Use it. Written by Penny from Atlantis mag
> >
> > Time for your nap...and a fresh nappie. Written by PK
>
> Oh dear, PK. People who live in glasshouses shouldn't strip off.
> This instruction about 'Yoko' from the woman who calls the Prince of
> Wales "Chazza" and "Biig Ears" and "Chuck" and Mrs Parker Bowles
Now you think I am Penny!!! Hopeless and quite tiresome.
I have never called Chazza, His Nibs, Martyr of Posh Schools by the
name of 'Chuck' which appears to be yet another figment flating around
your cranium cavity.
PK
sacha Hubbard
p...@e-garfield.com wrote on 14/7/03 2:47 am:
Oh yes, you have PK. But perhaps it was when you were being Chloe or Norina,
or DRM or BZ..............
Nonetheless, there you go again - with your above reply the other foot must
have holes in it now.
Strange how "Her name is Yoko use it" segues neatly into "Chazza, His Nibs",
etc. etc, isn't it? From someone who instructs others not to use childish
name-calling, that is.
--
Sacha
priapus...@hotmail.com
> > Wull <wjma...@datarecall.net> wrote in message news:<3F105EE6...@datarecall.net>...
> > Not that I mind, because after all you can just not read his posts so
> > let him blaze away, but does anybody know why this guy mhlife (if it
> > is a guy) chooses such an odd pulpit to preach his hellfire and
> > damnation sermons from as this royalty gossip group? Or does he do it
> > all over the internet? And from some things he's said I gather that
> > he's British, which is really weird as nobody in Britain, not even the
> > Church of England, believes in hell anymore, although I know a lot of
> > Americans do. You meet some people in England who believe in God but I
> > have never met or heard of anybody here who believes in Satan.
>
> ===============================================
>
> You might not like what he has to say, but belief in the devil is
> hardly out the window, and I'm not sure where you're inferring that
> from. I've seen and heard born-again groups in the U.K. who make it
> very evident in what they say in public that they believe in the
> devil's existence. Additionally, of course, most mainstream religions
> haven't disavowed the existence of the devil in their interepretation
> of Christian theology, so where do you draw that religious
> establishments don't believe in hell or the devil? Just because
> fundamentalism is very vocal in the U.S. doesn't mean that "nobody in
> Britain...believes in hell anymore." Hardly true. Aside from which,
> there are those who do claim to be satanists or devil worshippers and
> have even formally organised themselves, e.g., the British Occult
> Society which has a history of grave robbery to obtain corpses for
> their satanic rituals.
>
ago and disavowed belief in hell. While I realise that there must be
born again Christians or Satanists in the Uk somewhere, I have never
personally met or even heard of a single one.
> >
Holly W.
No, sweetheart, not "ALL" Christians accept that premise at all.
Please stop making this assumption because it is, in fact, an invalid
one. DO you know "all" Christians? If not, then how on earth can you
know what they all believe?
Atlantis Magazine
"sacha Hubbard" <sa...@xgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:BB38A43D.37B%sa...@xgarden506.fsnet.co.uk...
Not sure where the misunderstanding -- if any -- is here, but for clarity's
sake I'd like to say that it was me who said "Her name is Yoko. Use it."
The poster currenty called "PK" has a habit of using nicknames that just
grates on my nerves. Having lived in Wales for several years -- and having
family scattered far and wide over there -- I have some little experience
with "being British," and I have to say that I have NEVER heard even one
British person call Prince Charles "Chazza" or Camilla "Cams" or "Milly," or
even Sophie the relatively harmless "Soph." (I think, though, that I have
seen Charles called Chazza on the front page of the Sun -- but isn't that
the worst kind of tabloid? I don't know, we didn't have it at home). I find
it most un-British in fact -- and in PK's case, I find it a fracture in her
claim to be oh-so-English. And that irritates me on another level, because
there's nothing wrong with being whatever you are, be it American, British,
French, Australian, whatever. Why the posing?
On another level -- and maybe just to me -- nicknames are a rather intimate
item, something a good friend or a relative might use. Otherwise it just
smacks of more petty posing and general vulgarity -- as underlined by her
response to me about nap-time and nappy-changing.
Normally I don't read her posts. But I was following this thread with some
interest to see if anyone would make the natural observation about Imagine:
That the ultimate irony of the song is that to have a perfectly peaceful,
Christ-like world, first we would have to do away with religion -- then
perhaps we would find the "brotherhood of man."
Calling Yoko Ono "Yokie" just danced on my last raw PK nerve. Yoko Ono is a
woman who has done much good in the world with her fortune and influence --
and she has done it quietly. She has gone through the appalling experience
of seeing her husband murdered right in front of her -- yet she has raised
their son without bitterness to be a useful member of society. She has
earned the right to be called by her name, and not some vulgar, cheap-shot,
ridiculous shorthand.
But people can post however they like, I suppose. I should ahve kept this
particular opinion to myself.
Penny
Breton
> Not that I mind, because after all you can just not read his posts so
> let him blaze away, but does anybody know why this guy mhlife (if it
> is a guy) chooses such an odd pulpit to preach his hellfire and
> damnation sermons from as this royalty gossip group? Or does he do it
> all over the internet? And from some things he's said I gather that
> he's British, which is really weird as nobody in Britain, not even the
> Church of England, believes in hell anymore, although I know a lot of
> Americans do. You meet some people in England who believe in God but I
> have never met or heard of anybody here who believes in Satan.
> Hey mhlife, I bet they have yahoo groups for occultists or even
> "perverts"!Don't you think they might be more suitable congregations
> than royal watchers for your sermons? But do carry on as you like, I
> was just wondering.
Mhlife (actually Phil) is a troll. The purpose of the post was to
attract flames. An equally effective strategy would be for Phil to
post agnostic material in hopes of attracting flames from believers.
In other words, the content of the message is unimportant; only the
responses are.
sacha Hubbard
Magazine at pe...@atlantis-magazine.com wrote on 14/7/03 7:30 pm:
Then I apologise to PK for thinking she had said what you said. I'm afraid
that injudicious snipping does make for such mistakes.
--
Sacha
Breton
> Of course atheists don't worship Satan. Excuse me, but where was that
> ever stated? I think you're deliberately distorting other people's
> words for your own evident immediate and ongoing objectives here.
No. PK make the statement that atheists worship Lucifer in the post
that started this thread.
Nick
jlk7e
> > Of course atheists don't worship Satan. Excuse me, but where was that
> > ever stated?
>
> Excuse me as well Julian but what we have here are perverters of the
> truth and every word we post...not content to understand little and
> moan a lot, they use Double Talk as bait. Of course none of them can
> tell us where that oft repeated axiom was stated...because it
> wasn't...it's all part and parcel of their intolerance of freedom of
> speech.
I've already explained what I meant when I wrote my original
statement. The original discussion was of "backwards masking" in the
Beatles' music, and whether or not they had sold their souls to Satan,
a case which was being argued by mhlife. You, seemingly, came to
mhlife's support, and mentioned the lyrics to "Imagine". The lyrics
of "Imagine" contain no support for the theory that John Lennon had
sold his soul to Satan, unless one assumes that atheists are, in fact,
secretly satanists. Otherwise, it was simply a non-sequitur. I made
the assumption (apparently incorrect) that you were actually making a
substantive comment on the topic of the ongoing argument between
mhlife and myself, and responded to it as such. Now I realize that
you were simply making a gratuitous and irrelevant snipe at John
Lennon's having a lot of money, and so, I apologize for
misunderstanding your words, which, while perhaps more vapid and
off-topic than I imagined, did not imply what I thought they did.
> I think you're deliberately distorting other people's
> > words for your own evident immediate and ongoing objectives here.
>
> Exactly, and for the evident pleasure they derive from being stroppy.
>
> A
> > valid point which has already been made clear to you by someone else
> > about all this: from a Christian perspective, and one which includes
> > the acknowledgement that the Devil *does* exist, it's perfectly
> > reasonable to conclude that every human soul that turns away from God
> > is one which the Devil would delight in. And no, I'm not a born-again
> > Christian, but then it doesn't require being a born-again Christian to
> > understand the logic they would follow from within their particular
> > framework of belief. To understand here is not necessarily to agree.
>
> Too right...anyone with half a brain would have assimilated the finely
> detailed explanations so generously put forward. Pardon me for
> thinking it was a simple misunderstanding instead of what you've made
> plain...that it's a deliberate distortion for their own need to war
> and then cry wolf! Well spotted Julian.
Can I take this opportunity to note that this newsgroup is a monstrous
place, and that PK is by far the most obnoxious offender in this
regard. How many distinct threads has PK started to go on about
various supposed personal slights? What percentage of her(?) posts
consist of personal attacks on the motives of other posters? I enjoy
a good argument as much as anybody, but a collection of personal
insults hurled between people who've never even met each other does
not so qualify.
Holly W.
Actually, she wrote "Lucifer WORSHIPS atheists," not the other way
around. I've been trying to get her to admit to what she wrote for the
past few days, but so far she's been denying it left, right, and all
over despite the fact that her post is right there for all to see.
And she wonders why I call her silly...
Wull
pretty silly.
Lucifer worships no one, if he exists that is.
Atheists worship no one either.
So it is a tempest in a teapot.
I do not understand why a certain few people in
agr that seem to hate PK, yet they keep posting to
her? I do not post to people that I don't like,
unless they go over the line. I treat people that
I hate (which I don't) by ignoring them as if they
do not exist. It is much nicer to post to and
about people that one likes or respects.
Wull
Loreen
>agr that seem to hate PK, yet they keep posting to
>her? I do not post to people that I don't like,
>unless they go over the line. I treat people that
>I hate (which I don't) by ignoring them as if they
>do not exist. It is much nicer to post to and
>about people that one likes or respects.
>
>Wull
They must be adrenaline junkies...gives them a rush.
>^..^<
julian
=============================================================
I also wrote in that post that you conveniently snipped:
A valid point which has already been made clear to you by someone else
about all this: from a Christian perspective, and one which includes
the acknowledgement that the Devil *does* exist, it's perfectly
reasonable to conclude that every human soul that turns away from God
is one which the Devil would delight in. And no, I'm not a born-again
Christian, but then it doesn't require being a born-again Christian to
understand the logic they would follow from within their particular
framework of belief. To understand here is not necessarily to agree.
..which in fact is the main point I'm making. If everyone except PK
"knows" that atheists "don't worship the devil", then why would anyone
be so bothered about it? What in theory Satan's attitude would be
toward atheists, on the other hand, does provide some food for
thought.
sacha Hubbard
owned...@aol.comnospam wrote on 16/7/03 12:10 am:
Both you and Wull post disgustingly to anybody that happens to take your
fancy at the time. There is never an argument on agr that won't find Wull
making it worse or you having a dig at someone. Never, ever. You two, with
your pal PK, are three of the nastiest and most mendacious people ever
encountered on a newsgroup, so to read you both trying to take a
non-existent moral high ground is gut-wrenchingly nauseating. Wull treats
people he hates by ignoring them - I've never read such a barefaced lie on
agr. He can't *resist* the people he dislikes - it's almost sexual with him.
Look at what he called Jean Sue and tell me that's 'ignoring'. He's a vile
and foul-mouthed man and you're just one of the very few who like jumping on
the same bandwagon. If it's someone sticking up for themselves or disputing
PK's lies, it's meat and drink to your particular hate-mill.
--
Sacha
Wull
applies directly to you SH. It is sort of like
self analysis on your part and projecting to the
posters you love to love.
You just cannot stay away from sexual comments can
you? It appears that you are the one with a
problem.
I have not posted to JS since her snotty, bitchy
post that I replied to, or haven't you noticed?
Since you thought my post to her was appalling,
why no comment on her reply??? Surely you and she
have some sexual comment about that one, but I
never saw it.
I have let you alone for ages and ages but you
always like to rekindle the flames.
I don't feel like increasing your love of conflict
and animosity, so I will henceforth ignore you.
You seem to get too much of a rush from my posts
and I would not want to increase your chances of a
cardiac arrest so please skip my posts. Remember
you are no spring chicken anymore and all that
added weight doesn't help either.
Adios
Wull
Wull
looked the lying comment in my first answer.
I am not answering for BZ or Loreen only myself.
Your including them in the post was beyond the
pale IMO.
I never lie and you saying that I do or did only
increases the horrible nature of your persona.
So, you big , fat jersey cow, why don't you go
back to eating grass and other cud. Grass is not
as fattening and we all know you do need a little
slimming down.
So how do you like the personal attacks now? You
can't say you did not ask for it.
As a matter of fact, you seem to thrive on it.
Perhaps it is too many calories for you, LOL
Wull
Andy.3rd
{this is gonna be good!}
His Illustrious and Most Serene Jadedness, Andy, RSM
sacha Hubbard
agh...@aol.commotion wrote on 16/7/03 1:35 pm:
> Lawn Chairs! Iced Tea! Goodies and Munchies!
>
> {this is gonna be good!}
>
>
>
> His Illustrious and Most Serene Jadedness, Andy, RSM
>
>
>
Not on my part it's not. I've said what I think and I'm leaving it at that.
Those 3 are foul and disgusting and I am so glad that Wull has just gone
right ahead and proved that fact.
That has given me all the satisfaction I'll ever need from that foul-mouthed
bigot.
--
Sacha
Wull
thrower full blast and expects no reply.
The queen of foul and disgusting complaining about
that same MO.
The post I made about replying to people one does
not like proves my point. She loves to agitate
especially when things are dull.
Wull
yaffaDina1
Is this a joke? Are you forgetting Andy's obsession with PK --
*quite* the nastiest sexuality-oriented posts on any group I've ever
checked out, let alone subscribed to for any length of time. And as
you know, I believe it was Andy who posted under a different name to
me -- pretending to be a British Jewish 'lad' for the single purpose
of a nasty jab at Wull, who lags well behind His Loathsomeness in
terms of a foul mouth, a foul mind and an evil pechant for knowing
where PK is at any given time. As to sticking up for yourself, I
think you're confused between that and a manic rage when it comes to
anyone who disagrees with you. Moral high ground? -- I can only
imagine that it must look different when viewed from the ground!
yD
yaffaDina1
Or something!
yD
Andy.3rd
>you know, I believe it was Andy who posted under a different name to
>me -- pretending to be a British Jewish 'lad' for the single purpose
>of a nasty jab at Wull, who lags well behind His Loathsomeness in
>terms of a foul mouth, a foul mind and an evil pechant for knowing
>where PK is at any given time.
No Annie- It wasn't me pretending to be a British Jewish "lad". I've spent
waaay too much time developing and nurturing this persona to casr ir aside...
besides, what would be the point? I'm *quite* capable of getting in any nasty
jabs at Wull or anyone else under my known personality-why should I want
another?
Oh.. and if mine are the nastiest sexuality-orientated posts you've ever read I
can send you a whole list of groups where they would be laughed at as being too
prudish!
PK
> owned...@aol.comnospam wrote on 16/7/03 12:10 am:
>
> >> I do not understand why a certain few people in
> >> agr that seem to hate PK, yet they keep posting to
> >> her? I do not post to people that I don't like,
> >> unless they go over the line. I treat people that
> >> I hate (which I don't) by ignoring them as if they
> >> do not exist. It is much nicer to post to and
> >> about people that one likes or respects.
> >>
> >> Wull
> >
> > They must be adrenaline junkies...gives them a rush.
> >> ^..^<
>
> Both you and Wull post disgustingly to anybody that happens to take your
It is You, Sacha, who can get along with no one but trolls, freaks,
criminals, free-loaders, posers and jerks. I know of at least 10
Decent , intelligent, NORMAL human beings who YOU personally drove
from this group with the everlasting puke that flies off your dirty
digits and onto this board. Plenty of posters know it to be true.
People who were still here last time I was posting here left after I
left and have vowed never to post at agr whilst you remain.
Some of the Knowledgable people you have driven away remain in touch
with some of us and some of them post on other boards whilst some of
them were so turned off by your sickening behavior and words, they
have sworn off boards for good.PK
Wull treats people he hates by ignoring them - I've never read such a
barefaced lie on agr. He can't *resist* the people he dislikes - it's
almost sexual with him. Sacha
You mean sexual with you....Your fantasies of Wull are quite the turn
off, strictly abhorrent...This one for example:
"He clearly gets some kind of weird masturbatory kick " Sacha
Then Sacha, he has to turn around and tell you He won't discuss sex
with you...but you can't leave it or him alone. PK
He's a vile and foul-mouthed man and you're just one of the very few
who like jumping on the same bandwagon. Sacha
It's down to your petty jealousies again...Wull has many friends on
this news group, can't say the same for you...You are right in the
Middle of Every dispute with your venomous drivel, whilst he is more
of an observer and of Course Loreen is so far above you Morally,
Physically, Mentally, Intellectually, Professionally, Socially,
Culturally and in every other positive way it drives you utterly mad.
Yawn
PK
Loreen
>> >agr that seem to hate PK, yet they keep posting to
>> >her? I do not post to people that I don't like,
>> >unless they go over the line. I treat people that
>> >I hate (which I don't) by ignoring them as if they
>> >do not exist. It is much nicer to post to and
>> >about people that one likes or respects.
>> >
>> >Wull
>>
>> They must be adrenaline junkies...gives them a rush.
>> >^..^<
>
>Or something!
>yD
Yes...LOL...or something!
>^..^<
PK
>
> I do not understand why a certain few people in
> agr that seem to hate PK, yet they keep posting to
> her? I do not post to people that I don't like,
> unless they go over the line. I treat people that
> I hate (which I don't) by ignoring them as if they
> do not exist. It is much nicer to post to and
> about people that one likes or respects.
>
> Wull
>
Fortunately Wull, it is a 'certain few', whose favour I don't wish to
curry on any account...in fact to be 'their friend' would be a Badge
of Dishonour.
They are the Prince of Wales Groupies who turn people away from him in
droves with their squalid mindsets and I use the word 'mind' loosely
in the circs. All their vulgarity and ignorance combined cannot quote
One half sentence correctly!
Wales wouldn't deign to spit on the lot of them.
When they reply to me, I'm afraid it's their weakness.
True, I'd rather exchange pleasantries and have civilized
debates...but these dweebs , the certain few, only know how to shoot
the messenger or slam an opponent's Person, not how to uphold their
position. Good job there ARE some jolly nice people about.
PK
PK
No I didn't.
Need glasses?
PK
I didn't deny writing that, in fact I pointed out that's what I
**had** written in reply to The Two Men who brought up the topics of
atheists and satan...Your lie/mistake/whatever is that **I** brought
those topics up, which I did not.
IF you still can't grasp, it, just let it go...it's trivial!!!!!!!!!
Loreen
>**had** written in reply to The Two Men who brought up the topics of
>atheists and satan...Your lie/mistake/whatever is that **I** brought
>those topics up, which I did not.
>IF you still can't grasp, it, just let it go...it's trivial!!!!!!!!!
The point surely is that when you wrote "Lucifer worships atheists" you were
not speaking *literally* but instead meant "holds them dear" for the obvious
reason that they deny God.
I would add that this is just another perfect example of the need of certain
people to intentionally obfuscate what you have written. Surely, those who
continue to beat this horse are not THAT ignorant!
Then again, maybe they are <sigh>
>^..^<
Nynthlyfe9
{this is gonna be good!}
His Illustrious and Most Serene Jadedness, Andy, RSM
------------------------------------------------
I was thinking the same thing.
I guess we are adrenline junkies. :(
And honestly, this morning as I was booting the computer I thought" how nice we
are all behaving ourselves on agr"!
t
:)
everyone knows it
from the Queen of England
to the Hounds of Hell
yaffaDina1
> >I didn't deny writing that, in fact I pointed out that's what I
> >**had** written in reply to The Two Men who brought up the topics of
> >atheists and satan...Your lie/mistake/whatever is that **I** brought
> >those topics up, which I did not.
> >IF you still can't grasp, it, just let it go...it's trivial!!!!!!!!!
>
> The point surely is that when you wrote "Lucifer worships atheists" you were
> not speaking *literally* but instead meant "holds them dear" for the obvious
> reason that they deny God.
> >^..^<
As many believe that hell is a condition of the soul rather than an actual place.
yD
Loreen
>were
>> not speaking *literally* but instead meant "holds them dear" for the
>obvious
>> reason that they deny God.
>> ... snipped ...
>> >^..^<
>
>
>As many believe that hell is a condition of the soul rather than an actual
>place.
>yD
>
Exactly.
>^..^<
PK
> This is hilarious. She comes out with her flame
> thrower full blast and expects no reply.
>
> The queen of foul and disgusting complaining about
> that same MO.
>
> The post I made about replying to people one does
> not like proves my point. She loves to agitate
> especially when things are dull.
>
> Wull
>
> sacha Hubbard wrote:
>
> > That has given me all the satisfaction I'll ever need -Snippety Do Dah
> > --
> >
> > Sacha
I'm sure the gardener will be chuffed!!
Best of British Luck Ole Top.
PK
> Actually all of the negativism in this post
> applies directly to you SH. It is sort of like
> self analysis on your part and projecting to the
> posters you love to love.
>
> You just cannot stay away from sexual comments can
> you? It appears that you are the one with a
> problem.
It's a fixation, when you are the target...wishful thinking on her
part. Good thing you a Gentleman.
>
> I have not posted to JS since her snotty, bitchy
> post that I replied to, or haven't you noticed?
> Since you thought my post to her was appalling,
> why no comment on her reply??? Surely you and she
> have some sexual comment about that one, but I
> never saw it.
Crikey, I missed this whole episode....Sacha is always in the centre
of a row!
>
> I have let you alone for ages and ages but you
> always like to rekindle the flames.
> I don't feel like increasing your love of conflict
> and animosity, so I will henceforth ignore you.
> You seem to get too much of a rush from my posts
> and I would not want to increase your chances of a
> cardiac arrest so please skip my posts. Remember
> you are no spring chicken anymore and all that
> added weight doesn't help either.
>
> Adios
> Wull
Just for curiosity, what does she look like? Have you met her?
I always picture her in a faded chenille dressing gown, decanter at
hand, men's Doc Martens with metal caps, springy grey hair escaping a
mob cap, blood red fingernails; with her evening clothes spread across
the divan...School Marm's attire doused with cloying lavender toilet
water. And of course, mother of pearl pinz nez.
PK
>
> sacha Hubbard wrote:
> >
> > in article 20030715191026...@mb-m04.aol.com, Loreen at
> > owned...@aol.comnospam wrote on 16/7/03 12:10 am:
> >
> > >> I do not understand why a certain few people in
> > >> agr that seem to hate PK, yet they keep posting to
> > >> her? I do not post to people that I don't like,
> > >> unless they go over the line. I treat people that
> > >> I hate (which I don't) by ignoring them as if they
> > >> do not exist. It is much nicer to post to and
> > >> about people that one likes or respects.
> > >>
> > >> Wull
> > >
> > > They must be adrenaline junkies...gives them a rush.
> > >> ^..^<
> >
>He can't *resist* the people he dislikes - it's almost sexual with
him.
>
SEAN
"PK" <p...@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
news:779e0422.03071...@posting.google.com...
snip
> Just for curiosity, what does she look like? Have you met her?
> I always picture her in a faded chenille dressing gown, decanter at
> hand, men's Doc Martens with metal caps, springy grey hair escaping a
> mob cap, blood red fingernails; with her evening clothes spread across
> the divan...School Marm's attire doused with cloying lavender toilet
> water. And of course, mother of pearl pinz nez.
>
> PK
Why do you always have to be so mean? It seems as if you go out of your way.
Did you go to witch school (no offence to witches), or are you self-taught?
My g-d, you're like a little spoon -- always stirring the pot. Not only do
you go around changing the names of people without their permission
(something that is *very* rude), but you insert yourself into every little
conflict & manipulate the situation for your own personal gain. If that
doesn't satiate you, you then go around making cruel comments about people
like the ones you've made above. I don't mean to be snide, but how *does*
your husband put-up with you -- or is your family motto "if you haven't got
anything nice to say about someone well then hell, let's hear it"?
Since you raised the subject of looks, I always pictured you as a bargain
basement version of Hyacinth Bucket...err...I mean "Bouquet", from the
television show "Keeping up Appearances", both in looks and in personality.
Holly W.
No sweetheart, you did deny that you wrote it, period. Please don't
accuse me of lying just because I called you out on your denial. Go
back and read what you wrote:
PK: "I SAID NOTHING ABOUT SATAN WORSHIP OR ATHEISTS>>>>>IT WAS JLK7E
who
mentioned ATHEISTS to me......."
And there are at least two other threads where you deny saying
anything at all about atheists or Satan. As I pointed out to you when
you made the above claim, it doesn't matter who mentioned them to you
at all, you were denying that you'd even written about atheists at all
when, in fact,you did. You also claimed you were not interested in
atheist and that nothing you'd said pertained to atheists :
PK "I did NOT say YOU are ANYONE was an atheist. YOU brought up
atheists...not ME. Nothing I have said pertains to Atheists....try to
absorb that much, please.
Please stop going on about satan and atheists and devil worship TO ME.
I'm not interested in those topics..."
PK
To which I replied "Then why did you bring them up in the first
place?" Meaning, of course, why did you, yourself, even mention them
at all if you weren't interested in them? And,of course, your
statement above is another example of you denying what,in fact, you'd
actually written (I'd love to know how the statement "Lucifer WORSHIPS
atheists" does *not* pertain to atheists, but please don't bother to
explain).
Case closed, my sweet. You did deny that you'd written about
atheists, etc, and now you've admitted that yes, you did--but now
you're claiming that you admitted that all along when, in fact,that's
not the case at all. Somewhere in there you've admitted to lying,
although you'd never see it yourself. Pumpkin, thanks, I'll let the
matter drop now.:)
Holly W.
Well, at least you're making the right denial in this case.
PK
> "Atlantis Magazine" <pe...@atlantis-magazine.com> wrote in message
> news:aTjPa.40406$C83.3...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...> > > > > Furthermore, there is an 'anti-Christian' spirit in many of the
> Beatles
> > > > > lyrics - Eleanor Rigby, for instance, is a most peculiar song.
> > > >
> > > > Not to mention 'Imagine' ------
> > > >
> > > > 'Imagine no possesions,
> > > > I wonder if you can' , droned Lennon.
> > > > He certainly couldn't !! Nor could Yokie..
> >
> > Her name is "Yoko." Use it.
>
> I think monks & nuns who take vows of poverty would be awfully shocked to
> find that they are unChristian.
>
> SusanC
> >
> >
Your remark is disjointed and has no meaning at all in the context. Ms
Ono isn't a nun or a monk. Please refrain from interspersing your
reveries with knee jerk reactions.
PK
PK
Loreen
>Did you go to witch school (no offence to witches), or are you self-taught?
>
> My g-d, you're like a little spoon -- always stirring the pot. Not only do
>you go around changing the names of people without their permission
>(something that is *very* rude), but you insert yourself into every little
>conflict & manipulate the situation for your own personal gain. If that
>doesn't satiate you, you then go around making cruel comments about people
>like the ones you've made above. I don't mean to be snide, but how *does*
>your husband put-up with you -- or is your family motto "if you haven't got
>anything nice to say about someone well then hell, let's hear it"?
>
>Since you raised the subject of looks, I always pictured you as a bargain
>basement version of Hyacinth Bucket...err...I mean "Bouquet", from the
>television show "Keeping up Appearances", both in looks and in personality.
Pardon me for interjecting here, but these last few posts are a really good
example of what I was trying to say about strangers versus AGR regulars. This
is a situation where, clearly, there is ongoing antipathy between the parties
in question, a clear history of hostility from both sides, yet one gets all the
blame while the other is held blameless.
You say you're not aligned with any particular clique, Sean, so I really would
like to understand why you think PK's post is "so mean," but others can
continuously agitate the waters by replying with a hostile post to virtually
every single thing she writes, continuously question her veracity and integrity
and motivations, hurl insults, innuendo and slander, and that apparently is
okay; it's still all PK's fault.
I really would like to understand where you're coming from, Sean, because we
clearly see this very differently. And for the record, I don't see it as you
might expect: that it's all the other side's fault. Rather, I see this as a
chicken egg situation where each side is reacting to the other's post which is
clearly tainted by the history of mutual antipathy.
I do, however, think PK tries MUCH harder to ignore the baits of the other
side. Though she would be the first to admit she doesn't always succeed, she
certainly deserves the lion's share of credit for trying.
>^..^<
PK
I didn't realize it would be too deep for some of them. Sigh
PK
Loreen
>> were
>> >> not speaking *literally* but instead meant "holds them dear" for the
>> obvious
>> >> reason that they deny God.
>> >> ... snipped ...
>> >> >^..^<
>> >
>> >
>> >As many believe that hell is a condition of the soul rather than an actual
>> >place.
>> >yD
>> >
>>
>> Exactly.
>> >^..^<
>
>I didn't realize it would be too deep for some of them. Sigh
>
>PK
Oh, I don't think it's a matter of understanding; it's a matter of some people
wanting to twist what you say.
>^..^<
SEAN
"Loreen" <owned...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20030716234020.06962.00000070@mb-
Sigh. No disrespect Loreen (and I really, really, wholeheartedly mean that),
but if you don't see it by now, I doubt you will ever see it. Just go back
and read every single one of her posts today.
Sean
Jonas Silverman
> sacha Hubbard <sa...@xgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<BB3AED39.11E8%sa...@xgarden506.fsnet.co.uk>...
> > in article 20030715191026...@mb-m04.aol.com, Loreen at
> > owned...@aol.comnospam wrote on 16/7/03 12:10 am:
>
> Is this a joke?
yD- (youDumbass) yer the joke, thick git. Know yer place when you talk
to a gel of scocial standing and breeding you skivvy. Know yer bloody
place! Full stop!
Are you forgetting Andy's obsession with PK --
> *quite* the nastiest sexuality-oriented posts on any group I've ever
> checked out, let alone subscribed to for any length of time.
Kept in a cupboard eh tarty granny-so full of cheek! So, yer having a
go at this lad of fine breeding and social position cause of his
sexual perference? Know yer bloody place! Sticking your beak where it
doesn't belong! Bloody cheek! Vexed cause he won't "have at it" with
you and imune to yer low class charms old cow? Angry cause he don't
want you and won't go stuff you hole or give you a shag? Slapper you
got me gobsmacked, you really do. Know yer bloody place! Ere it is for
all to see again, first you ask some bloke to come over and stuff yer
hole and now yer aring off at some bloke cause he won't....rich that
is, from a cum queen like yer self! You don't know your bloody place
and are bang out of order!
And as
> you know, I believe it was Andy who posted under a different name to
> me -- pretending to be a British Jewish 'lad' for the single purpose
> of a nasty jab at Wull,
Alright then, gald to hear I'm not ait the only Brit Jew on this
board that thinks Wanker Wull is a racist Nazi prick and yer his happy
two face harlot . Just cause he makes you his cum sucking pig- with an
enormous butt plug stuck up your hoit toity arse doesn't mean everyone
should like him. Sling yer hook yD, why don't you.
who lags well behind His Loathsomeness in
> terms of a foul mouth, a foul mind and an evil pechant for knowing
> where PK is at any given time. As to sticking up for yourself, I
> think you're confused between that and a manic rage when it comes to
> anyone who disagrees with you.
yD-you're a nasty foul piece of work you are. Why don't you go back to
yer favourite activities of rimming and feltching with the trolls you
try to pull from the newsgroup
Moral high ground? -- I can only
> imagine that it must look different when viewed from the ground!
> yD
What do you know about Moral+ high ground ( more likel you knw immoral
lowlife). Slapper...how can you see anything? yer too busy on all
fours eating cunt, serviceing trolls cock or asking newsgroup blokes
to come over and stuff your snatch. Filty piece of work you are-don't
know er bloody place! Prancing around like butter wouldn't melt in yer
mouth, airing offf at your betters trying to seduce internet blokes.
Don't know yer bloody place, you don't. Piece of trash. Piss off yD
yer a walking cum filled bag of std
Jonas
Andy.3rd
>basement version of Hyacinth Bucket...err...I mean "Bouquet", from the
>television show "Keeping up Appearances", both in looks and in personality.
>
>
>
Actually, more of a bargin basement of Hyacinth's sister. the "large" one, only
not quite as neat and clean.