Debra Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond
Jan Banana
She bit*hes about EVERYTHING! Everything bothers her. And her
jealously rages never cease to amaze me.. Not all women think like
her.....well, non-BOORISH women don't, but SHE thinks so......
She's an embarrassment to a civilized woman.....and is quite crude in
REAL life (Patricia Heaton) on talk show interviews.
-Jan
JulieNTexas
on spousal abuse, and it's treated as comedy because she's a tiny little woman.
It's a disgrace.
rivergirl
continue to rave about what a great show it is. It's just "Debra"
berating Raymond every week and being totally contemptuous of him.
Sort of like why I quit "Home Improvement" really early on--the
husband screws up (grunts a lot), the wife rolls her eyes but fogives
him in the end because he is so lovable. I'd have booted either
husband out long ago. They're morons.
MJ: Keeper of Vincent D'Onofrio!!!
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Sunny
wrote:
Thank you for voicing my exact opinion. Can't stand her. Wanna smack
her. Nor can I stand that other controlling TV nag, Jill on "Home
Improvement." If they can't stand men so much, they should never have
gotten married. If the TV studios thinks it's FUNNY to depict a wife
who nags, browbeats, denigrates, humilates, and even physically abuses
her husband, and adds a laugh track when she kicks him,, slaps him,
throws things at him, uses sex as a bargaining tool or reward, and
badmouths him right in front of his family, they are wrong. Wrong
wrong wrong. Abuse is not humorous. If you showed a TV sitcom where
the audience is supposedly guffawing at a man's mistreatment of his
wife, there would be an uproar of outrage! Female abuse of men is
both unfunny and unacceptible. If women want equal rights, then they
need to play by the same rules as men. Hollywood needs to get the
message.
Karen
>who nags, browbeats, denigrates, humilates, and even physically abuses
>her husband, and adds a laugh track when she kicks him,, slaps him,
>throws things at him, uses sex as a bargaining tool or reward, and
>badmouths him right in front of his family, they are wrong. Wrong
>wrong wrong. Abuse is not humorous. If you showed a TV sitcom where
>the audience is supposedly guffawing at a man's mistreatment of his
>wife, there would be an uproar of outrage!
I agree too. I used to watch when it seemed more like it was a show about men
and women trying to understand each other and figure out how to be a married
couple and family (same with Home Improvement) but now Raymond has turned into
a buffoon. You wonder how he holds a job and supports his family he is
depicted as such a whipped loser. There used to be some good points in the
early years but now, as you all said, its just complain/bitch/shriek argue/
they barely even "make up". I heard Patricia H. even joke about it in an
interview. Something about how "she yells at Raymond all the time on the show"
so it's not like they aren't aware. I don't know if they realize how much it
has alienated viewers.
Doctor Wu
riverg...@hotmail.com (rivergirl) wrote:
> I also quit watching it for that reason and really wonder why people
> continue to rave about what a great show it is. It's just "Debra"
> berating Raymond every week and being totally contemptuous of him.
> Sort of like why I quit "Home Improvement" really early on--the
> husband screws up (grunts a lot), the wife rolls her eyes but fogives
> him in the end because he is so lovable. I'd have booted either
> husband out long ago. They're morons.
Yeah, but it's only a TV show. That's how Ray wants it to be. Remeber
"I Love Lucy" how Lucy was always the one getting into trouble? It's
just characters on a sitcom. There are women like that in real life.
--
Lisa
Masked Avenger
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She is what you call a fish wife bitch and that is what is called marriage
hell. Then again all men are portrayed as buffoons, and all women are
portrayed as patiently suffering saintly wisepersons, on sitcom TV, and in
TV commercial ads. What's puzzling is if that is so true, why is it most
women's singular obsessive quest, from the time they are old enough to talk
and walk, is to marry and marry well? What is it about these male morons
which attracts them so, that entering into a permanent living arrangement
with one of the male morons becomes the female's extreme raison d'etre? End
of argument. TV is gross, gross fantasy.
kth...@hotmail.com
I can't stand that type of woman. If this show is based on his real
life, I wonder how close to the truth this is to portraying his real
life wife.
Doctor Wu
kth...@hotmail.com (kth...@hotmail.com) wrote:
Some men may be attracted to women like this, maybe he is.
--
Lisa
kth...@hotmail.com
> In article <67cd8736.03011...@posting.google.com>,
> kth...@hotmail.com (kth...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>
> > Jan Banana <janba...@execpc.com> wrote in message
> > > In "Everybody Loves Raymond."
> > >
> > > She bit*hes about EVERYTHING! Everything bothers her. And her
> > > jealously rages never cease to amaze me.. Not all women think like
> > > her.....well, non-BOORISH women don't, but SHE thinks so......
> > >
> > > She's an embarrassment to a civilized woman.....and is quite crude in
> > > REAL life (Patricia Heaton) on talk show interviews.
> > >
> > > -Jan
> >
> > life, I wonder how close to the truth this is to portraying his real
> > life wife.
>
> Some men may be attracted to women like this, maybe he is.
>
> --
> Lisa
True, Lisa. It seems like she was always pretty nice in any of the
interviews I have seen her in. I suppose he has to take it up a notch
for the TV show to make people laugh.
Dennis B
remembered - and judged - by their art/entertainment, so it's
relevant. As an old prof of mine used to say "Heroin is just
entetainment, if you want to use that argument."
The fact is, this show is one of the top rated show on TV. They're
showing something Americans want to see. When America is given
three-dimension characters (as on import British TV, the obscure 1990s
"Relativity," "Felicity") the numbers show people don't want to see
that.
My guess? Americans simply like watching aggression, whether it's in
action-adventure films, sports, rap music, hardcore punk (my thing!),
professional wrestling, the in-you-face-talk shows, radio hosts, nasty
reality TV characters, the judges on American idol...even Dr. Phil!
The negative thrust of sitcom characters - esp. on "Raymond" - are
probably an offshoot of this.
I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing: Better an aggressive
society that leads in invention/medical cures/etc. than a boring,
passive people. But it often makes for irritating TV watching.
As the old punk tune goes "The public gets what the public wants."
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show now. "King of Queens" is starting to get the same way...
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Mike
Yeah, but she's so HOT!! Very attractive facially and a smoking killer
body for a "mature" mama. She's definitely the type you boink on the
side and send her on her way home. Or, she's the type you get a nice
hummer from after hours. Sweet lips
Angela St.Aubin
because she was so offended by the osbournes off colour comments.
--
****Wisdom is scar tissue in disguise****
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HudsonGrl
>From: "Angela St.Aubin" bo...@sympatico.ca
>Date: 1/17/2003 1:43 PM Central Standard Time
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>
>you know, she walked off the set of the ama's where she was set to present
>because she was so offended by the osbournes off colour comments.
>
uh-huh? and the point is?
Ryan
this attack is because she didn't like the Osborn's trailer trash talk of
the awards show and left. Not all people have a limited vocabulary, that
they can only say the F word every other word. Would any real man want to
bring home a girl that used the F word? I don't think you know how trashy it
makes all people sound when they use it, in common everyday talk. I can see
a person who happens to get mad and uses the F word in a fit of rage, but
everyday talk shows what kind of person people are.
Doctor Wu
denni...@yahoo.com (Dennis B) wrote:
> Well, I don't buy the "it's only entertainment" bit. Societies are
> remembered - and judged - by their art/entertainment, so it's
> relevant. As an old prof of mine used to say "Heroin is just
> entetainment, if you want to use that argument."
Isn't entertainment a reflection on society? Is every single character
on TV supposed to be nice and flawless? It's certainly not that way in
real life, nor will it ever be, no matter how much people try sanitize
TV or movies. I am against all the violence they have, but the ELR
character isn't really that bad, IMO.I like the show because it's
funnny, I really don't pay much attention to the wife. Look at Peter
Boyle's and Doris Roberts' characters, how they behave.
--
Lisa
Mary Campbell
ITA. I really don't get this "She's such a terrible wife, I can't watch
the show" attitude. It's a *sitcom*.
Does anyone honestly think that the parents are true to life? They're
monsters! Especially Marie - that character is far more toxic than Debra.
She's emasculated her sons and driven her daughter-in-law crazy. I love her.
Sophie
> ITA. I really don't get this "She's such a terrible wife, I can't watch
> the show" attitude. It's a *sitcom*.
>
> Does anyone honestly think that the parents are true to life? They're
> monsters! Especially Marie - that character is far more toxic than Debra.
> She's emasculated her sons and driven her daughter-in-law crazy. I love
her.
>
Actually we love ELR and Marie is why - she's my grandmother-in-law.
Luckily she lives in Michigan and we live in North Carolina. Lol.
It's just a show. If people hate it so much why are they watching it?
Lighten up.
Sophie
Mary Campbell
>> ITA. I really don't get this "She's such a terrible wife, I can't watch
>> the show" attitude. It's a *sitcom*.
>>
>> Does anyone honestly think that the parents are true to life? They're
>> monsters! Especially Marie - that character is far more toxic than Debra.
>> She's emasculated her sons and driven her daughter-in-law crazy. I love
> her.
>
> Actually we love ELR and Marie is why - she's my grandmother-in-law.
> Luckily she lives in Michigan and we live in North Carolina. Lol.
As long as she's not living across the street!
> It's just a show. If people hate it so much why are they watching it?
> Lighten up.
Every once in a while I catch one of the earlier re-runs, when Debra and
Ray were still lovey-dovey. It's funnier now.
Sophie
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> "Sophie" (Sop...@fakeaddress.com) writes:
> >> ITA. I really don't get this "She's such a terrible wife, I can't
watch
> >> the show" attitude. It's a *sitcom*.
> >>
> >> Does anyone honestly think that the parents are true to life? They're
> >> monsters! Especially Marie - that character is far more toxic than
Debra.
> >> She's emasculated her sons and driven her daughter-in-law crazy. I
love
> > her.
> >
> > Actually we love ELR and Marie is why - she's my grandmother-in-law.
> > Luckily she lives in Michigan and we live in North Carolina. Lol.
>
> As long as she's not living across the street!
Exactly. Lol.
>
> > It's just a show. If people hate it so much why are they watching it?
> > Lighten up.
>
> Every once in a while I catch one of the earlier re-runs, when Debra and
> Ray were still lovey-dovey. It's funnier now.
>
I think it's still funny too. My husband only has a few comedies he likes -
Scrubs, Still Standing, Hidden Hills, and ELR.
Sophie
Smoot
<bo...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>you know, she walked off the set of the ama's where she was set to present
>because she was so offended by the osbournes off colour comments.
Then she issued a press release so people would know she had done so.
I wonder how many people care whether she was on or not? I didn't.
Emma (Rebecca)
Dag
>action-adventure films, sports, rap music, hardcore punk (my thing!),
>professional wrestling, the in-you-face-talk shows, radio hosts, nasty
>reality TV characters, the judges on American idol...even Dr. Phil!
I could never understand the popularity of Archie Bunker.