Jodie Foster
Chatty Cathy
I just saw her new movie Panic Room. Is Jodie Foster so incredibly un-feminine
that the director needed to show her breasts the entire movie just to remind us
she's really female?
Hester Mofet
I just read that she was pregnant with her second son, Kip, when she was
filming. As happens with pregnancy, her breasts were getting larger and larger.
She remarked that they had to keep getting bigger and bigger tank tops for her.
I think Jodie looked great, btw.
Hester Mofet
Jason Lane
wrotd:
>I just read that she was pregnant with her second son, Kip, when she was
>filming. As happens with pregnancy, her breasts were getting larger and larger.
>She remarked that they had to keep getting bigger and bigger tank tops for her.
Henceforth to be known as "The Uma Effect." :)
Chatty Cathy
<< I just read that she was pregnant with her second son, Kip, when she was
filming. As happens with pregnancy, her breasts were getting larger and larger.
She remarked that they had to keep getting bigger and bigger tank tops for her.
>>
While the rest of her body [including her tummy] stayed small?? I don't think
so. And besides, you missed my point which wasn't about the size of her
boobalums, but rather about the fact that they are so shamelessly displayed all
through the movie.
Richard Steven Hack
As Jodie's Keeper, I was slow to respond and didn't remember the
pregnancy bit - but then I'm male, so...
Yeah, pregnancy, that's it! Jodie's aren't the biggest in the world,
but they are okay - I'm sure she appreciated the effect.
The main advantage she had was that she has one hell of a tight
stomach and doesn't look pregnant for months. In her first pregnancy,
she told everybody she was two months pregnant when she was actually
four months pregnant - the old "Hunter Tylo" trick. This allowed her
to sneak into the hospital, have the child and sneak back out and
avoid the "Madonna crowd scene" by having the child two months before
anyone expected it. In an interview a couple weeks before she had
Charles, a reported asked her if she knew when the child was due -
everyone laughed at him, and she said "September" - but the reporter
obviously knew something was wrong because she backed out of a movie
THREE months before she announced she was TWO months pregnant...
Tricky lady, my Keepee...
I loved the Panic Room crawling on the floor cleavage shot! Please
someone post the binary somewhere in the binary newsgroups!
As for "unfeminine reminders", how about Anjelina Jolie in "Tomb
Raider"? (Yes, I know that's how Lara Croft is depicted in the game -
isn't it the same thing?)
BTW, Jodie's second child's name is Kit, not Kip... Minor Keeper
Correction...
The Master
Keeper of Jodie Foster and Winona Ryder - and others
as we go along...
"Whatever does not kill me makes me stronger"
- and YOU have not killed me!
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Barb
LOL, about as funny as breasticles.
Barb- Camper and nature lover!
Lots of furry pets
Chatty Cathy
<< about as funny as breasticles. >>
LOL, good one! Even better than tah-tahs.
Chatty Cathy
<< Boobalums, lol. I'll make a note of that for future reference. hehe. >>
LOL, I'm glad I could help. ;)
Mary Campbell
> << From: demo...@aol.comsnitfit (Hester Mofet) >>
>
>
> << I just read that she was pregnant with her second son, Kip, when she was
> filming. As happens with pregnancy, her breasts were getting larger and larger.
> She remarked that they had to keep getting bigger and bigger tank tops for her.
>
>
> While the rest of her body [including her tummy] stayed small?? I don't think
> so.
Then you thought wrong. Breast size can start increasing as soon as you
become pregnant, long before the baby starts to show.
Chatty Cathy
From: cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mary Campbell) >>
<< Then you thought wrong. Breast size can start increasing as soon as you
become pregnant, long before the baby starts to show. >>
You flat-out snipped the rest of my comments which were the *real* point of my
original post, as I said...not her boob size. I really couldn't give less of a
care about Jodie Foster's boob size. I'm just wondering why she needed to show
them all through her movie.
Chatty Cathy
<< Hehe, I always enjoy reading your posts. >>
And likewise. :-)
SoulStar419
>think
>> so.
>
>Then you thought wrong. Breast size can start increasing as soon as you
>become pregnant, long before the baby starts to show.
>
>
6 to 7 weeks here and I'm still waiting for the increase, lol!
(I've got a little tummy on my skinny frame though and luckily, so far, no
morning sickness! Best part: the sonogram--heartbeat was like a little
flashing light!)
-K.Simpson
http://hometown.aol.com/soulstar419/menu.html
Hester Mofet
>Tricky lady, my Keepee...
>
>I loved the Panic Room crawling on the floor cleavage shot! Please
>someone post the binary somewhere in the binary newsgroups!
>
>As for "unfeminine reminders", how about Anjelina Jolie in "Tomb
>Raider"? (Yes, I know that's how Lara Croft is depicted in the game -
>isn't it the same thing?)
>
>BTW, Jodie's second child's name is Kit, not Kip... Minor Keeper
>Correction...
>
>
>The Master
>Keeper of Jodie Foster and Winona Ryder - and others
>as we go along...
Thanks for the correction. I think she's awesome and beautiful and soooo smart.
Good for her that she fooled them.
Hester Mofet
3finger
luv2jo...@aol.comeKissGC (Chatty Cathy) wrote:
As far as I know, Jodie does not appear topless throughout the entire
movie, though she wears a tank top during most of it. I really don't
think that qualifies as "show(ing) her breasts" during the entire movie,
unless you are so sensitive that any hint of a woman's assets makes you
squemish. Either that or you've simply got a rock up your ass about
Jodie Foster, which is your problem, not mine.
--
3finger
Chicago Cubs: World Champions - 1907, 1908, ????
Richard Steven Hack
wrote:
Let's also consider the idea the it was Fincher, not Foster, who
filmed her that way... Maybe HE thinks the character was too
unfeminine and took that approach to balance her out... It's a visual
effect and Fincher is a visual director...
Jodie's shown her breasts before in several movies - "Backtrack" (and
reportedly did not like doing so for Dennis Hopper, the director,
although supposedly she liked him otherwise), and "Nell" and a short
bit in "The Accused". Since Nell, where she was blatantly naked, I
think she is less sensitive. She said that before doing Nell, she was
afraid to be "that free" but that it turned out to be "as easy as
lifting your face into the air" or something like that.
There's also the issue that she turns forty this year - maybe she
wanted to show Hollywood producers that she doesn't need to play
somebody's mother YET - even while she's playing somebody's mother...
Tricky lady, my Keepee - as I've said before. Anybody remember Robert
Downey's friend in "Home for the Holidays" - he shows up, people ask
him, "Who are you?", he says, "I'm with [Downey's character - who is
gay]. Everybody assumes he's gay until at the end of the movie, he
seduces Holly Hunter and runs off with her for a happy ending. That
was a message from Jodie - as they say, "Don't assume anything about
anyone's sexuality - including your own". The really clever part is
that the message says nothing specifically about Jodie's preferences.
She's "literary" that way - the result of majoring in literature at
Yale...
The Master
Keeper of Jodie Foster and Winona Ryder - and others
as we go along...
"Whatever does not kill me makes me stronger"
Keith Moon
kidnapped by Dennis Hopper (before she did "Silence of the Lambs" and
her career really took off). She did a nude scene, and it had to be
the most nondescript, unerotic nude scene I've ever seen. I'd rather
see Florence Henderson naked than see Jodie naked again.
On 13 Apr 2002 12:47:18 GMT, luv2jo...@aol.comeKissGC (Chatty
Keith Moon
seen of hers, she looked like the living incarnation of Olive Oyl.
Not just skinny like Shelly Duval, but just really really boring.
On 13 Apr 2002 14:43:32 GMT, demo...@aol.comsnitfit (Hester Mofet)
wrote:
Chatty Cathy
<<
Yep. I saw her in that low budget movie she made where she was
kidnapped by Dennis Hopper (before she did "Silence of the Lambs" and
her career really took off). She did a nude scene, and it had to be
the most nondescript, unerotic nude scene I've ever seen. I'd rather
see Florence Henderson naked than see Jodie naked again. >>
LMAO!! Well, I'm a woman so I don't have quite the same appreciation [or lack
thereof] that a man would have, but just on instinct I don't get what is
attractive about the woman. Watching her on film taxes my nerves. She seems
like such a nice person in real life. I wish I didn't despise her so. But I
don't know what it is. She ANNOYS me. Her mouth in particular really bothers
me. That thing she does when she talks.
UE
I would blame Jody's character. I mean, it's 'her' fault that she goes to bed
in a tank top and PJ bottoms.
Belle-de-jour
> << From: Keith Moon keit...@hell.com >>
>
>
> <<
> Yep. I saw her in that low budget movie she made where she was
> kidnapped by Dennis Hopper (before she did "Silence of the Lambs" and
> her career really took off). She did a nude scene, and it had to be
> the most nondescript, unerotic nude scene I've ever seen. I'd rather
> see Florence Henderson naked than see Jodie naked again. >>
She was just taking a shower, but she looked very upset about the
scene... But I have to agree with you...I never want to see that woman
naked ever again in my life! Her best is definitely her personality
and what is interesting about her face is that it kind of shows her
personality, at least it combines with it.
Watching her on film taxes my nerves. She seems
> like such a nice person in real life.
I'm not quite sure she's such a nice person. To me, she seems to be
very impolite, excessively aggressive and she has a superiority
complex (thinks she's cleverer than everybody else). Also, I have to
mention the way she seems to despise her partner. What kind of a
person would pretend that she's still single after all those years?
I wish I didn't despise her so.
I wish you didn't. she's probably more interesting than you are. But,
of course, you don't have to *like* her.
Belle-de-jour
Richard Steven Hack
wrote:
Well, if she went to bed naked, Fincher would have had a problem with
the MPAA, I assume...:-} She had to wear something that was
reasonable for all the running around and climbing walls and crawling
around in that film - a teddy just wouldn't have worked (except maybe
for me...)
Richard Steven Hack
wrote:
>Yep. I saw her in that low budget movie she made where she was
>kidnapped by Dennis Hopper (before she did "Silence of the Lambs" and
>her career really took off). She did a nude scene, and it had to be
>the most nondescript, unerotic nude scene I've ever seen. I'd rather
>see Florence Henderson naked than see Jodie naked again.
>
I have yet to see that film, but I have seen the photos on the Net.
As I understand it, Jodie did not like doing that scene as she thought
it was not necessary. It was Hopper's trip, I guess. Blame the
director when the scene is bad, I say.
She is not unattractive naked - she simply shows up naked in movies
with an unattractive theme - in "The Accused", she's being raped; in
"Nell" she's a wild child; in "Backtrack" she's a kidnap victim and
forced to endure Hopper's "gasping in lust" schtick (as Louis Chunovic
describes it in his book on Jodie - Chunovic said she looked like she
was going to burst out laughing in the middle of the sex scene!)
She can look great when she wants to, and can be very sexy when she
wants to. She does indeed "not have a flirty bone in her body" as one
director put it - but he also said she had such presence that he fell
in love with her - when she was only fifteen...
She once said she wanted to do a "very frank film about sex and my
generation" - but she never did...
Richard Steven Hack
wrote:
>Maybe a few pounds would improve her. In the only nude scene I've
>seen of hers, she looked like the living incarnation of Olive Oyl.
>Not just skinny like Shelly Duval, but just really really boring.
>
She is getting a bit thinner than I think she should be - I notice her
arms were getting thin in "Anna and the King" - but that might have
been the heat in Malaysia burning off what little fat she has. She
seemed okay in Panic Room.
She works out in a gym, does Pilates exercises and trains with a
kick-boxer four times a week - she's fit, not fat. Look at her arms
and deltoids in Panic Room - that's muscle.
She weighed twenty extra pounds in college and critics started calling
her fat, so she dropped it. Now people say she's too thin - can't
please everybody, I guess,
Richard Steven Hack
Cathy) wrote:
>LMAO!! Well, I'm a woman so I don't have quite the same appreciation [or lack
>thereof] that a man would have, but just on instinct I don't get what is
>attractive about the woman.
Physical, emotional and intellectual intensity. Intensity is what all
great actors have - and in a woman it appeals to some people -
including me, big time. Dumb bimbos with big tits, long legs and lots
of blonde hair are a dime a dozen, in Hollywood and elsewhere...
Jodie is a woman who ACTS like sex would be a big deal with her and
who also acts like a powerful person. Lots of people want sex with a
powerful person. I don't mean powerful in a political sense or in a
bullying sense, but in the sense of being able to handle their life
and accomplish goals and deal with adversity. A lot of people in
Hollywood though that Yale and John Hinckley would end Jodie's career
- but she came back and kept at it - even though she was ready to
retire right before "The Accused" . That reflects determination and
strength.
> Watching her on film taxes my nerves. She seems
>like such a nice person in real life. I wish I didn't despise her so. But I
>don't know what it is. She ANNOYS me. Her mouth in particular really bothers
>me. That thing she does when she talks.
>
Maybe you're reacting to someone with more brains, more money, more
sex and more success than you? No disrepect intended. I tend not to
be that crazy about Sigourney Weaver, but even though I don't like her
mouth, I still recognize that she's an attractive woman.
Richard Steven Hack
wrote:
>
>She was just taking a shower, but she looked very upset about the
>scene...
She was...
> But I have to agree with you...I never want to see that woman
>naked ever again in my life! Her best is definitely her personality
>and what is interesting about her face is that it kind of shows her
>personality, at least it combines with it.
I agree, her intensity as a person overshadows her physical appearance
- but her appearance can be quite good when she wants it to be...
>
>Watching her on film taxes my nerves. She seems
>> like such a nice person in real life.
>
>I'm not quite sure she's such a nice person. To me, she seems to be
>very impolite, excessively aggressive and she has a superiority
>complex (thinks she's cleverer than everybody else).
She is... And she is very confident, cocky, and independent.
Something a lot of feminists would like to be, I thought...
> Also, I have to
>mention the way she seems to despise her partner. What kind of a
>person would pretend that she's still single after all those years?
She's not pretending exactly - she wears the wedding band. She simply
does not wish to publicize it in the media. You have to remember, the
woman hates the media for what they did to her during the Hinckley
affair. Personally, I think she needs to deal with it more directly.
but that's my opinion. You can't assume she despises her partner
because she keeps the relationship private. She may be trying to
protect herself and her partner. A lot of celebrities do that - she
takes it to extremes, it seems.
>
>I wish I didn't despise her so.
>
>I wish you didn't. she's probably more interesting than you are.
She is...
Chatty Cathy
<< She can look great when she wants to, and can be very sexy when she
wants to. >>
Well then, I guess she just never wants to. ;)
Chatty Cathy
<< Maybe you're reacting to someone with more brains, more money, more
sex and more success than you? No disrepect intended. >>
Honestly, that was low. Your posts always seem well-thought-out and
introspective. Why this silly comment then? There are plenty of people--men and
woman, attractive and unnattractive--who have more brains, money and success
than me...that doesn't mean I don't like their mouths. <rolls @@ eyes>
Seriously, that takes the cake. I say "something" about her annoys me, and that
a certain physical thing bothers me and you chalk this up to my being jealous
of the woman. Good lord! Is it really that hard to accept that some people just
don't like her and there are no issues involved? She's not my cup of tea.
Plenty of other people are.
Richard Steven Hack
Cathy) wrote:
No disrespect intended - but it just seems to me that when someone
doesn;t llike someone just because of the way they form their mouth
when they speak, that's there's other issues involved...
Like I said, I don't particularly like Sigourney Weaver's face, but
she's still a terrific actress and a babe in other respects. I don't
diss her publicly just because I don't like her mouth...
Everyone to their own opinion, of course...
Richard Steven Hack
Cathy) wrote:
Well, plenty of magazines have thought she was - they don't put photo
shoots of her in every bloody magazine to lLOSE sales...
She looked great at the Oscars and she looked great in Maverick and
plenty of other movies...
Belle-de-jour
> She is... And she is very confident, cocky, and independent.
> Something a lot of feminists would like to be, I thought...
touchée...what is a feminist, to begin with? Secondly, you can be a
very confident, good-looking, cocky and independent woman and *still*
not use the f word every time you open your mouth nor down everyone
around you.
> >
> >I wish you didn't. she's probably more interesting than you are.
>
> She is...
How do you know? I wouldn't be so sure
Belle-de-jour
"Why am I so famous? What am I doing right? What are the others doing
wrong?"
Barbra Streisand
Belle-de-jour
> I have yet to see that film, but I have seen the photos on the Net.
> As I understand it, Jodie did not like doing that scene as she thought
> it was not necessary. It was Hopper's trip, I guess. Blame the
> director when the scene is bad, I say.
You should blame the director - the scene was totally, completely
unnecessary. It should have been cut out of the final version.
>
> She is not unattractive naked
okay, let's say that she looks better with her clothes on...one thing
that I really don't like about her body is that her legs are too long
and her torso's too short. Also, her butt is too big and what Shakira
sings about her breasts applies to JF as well...there, I've said it!
> She once said she wanted to do a "very frank film about sex and my
> generation" - but she never did...
Thank God! She should concentrate on doing more Clarice Starlings and
leave the sex to Sharon Stone
Belle-de-jour
"You have to make love to 30 million spectators - and be slightly
aloof. You're available and you're not"
Jodie Foster (1983)
Belle-de-jour
>
> Jodie is a woman who ACTS like sex would be a big deal with her
I don't have that feeling. In fact, I have the feeling that she's not
a very sexual person. I think that *arguing* would be a big deal with
her. I would love to argue with her.
and
> who also acts like a powerful person. Lots of people want sex with a
> powerful person. I don't mean powerful in a political sense or in a
> bullying sense, but in the sense of being able to handle their life
> and accomplish goals and deal with adversity.
This is really fantastic...you mean, you like to be bossed around?
Controlled? Dominated?
I hope you won't be upset with these personal insinuations ;-)
Belle-de-jour
"Most people are afraid of their feelings in this area (sex). Reich
says we form our personalities, our families and our government around
this neurotic armour."
Jack Nicholson (1989)
Chatty Cathy
<< No disrespect intended - but it just seems to me that when someone
doesn;t llike someone just because of the way they form their mouth
when they speak, that's there's other issues involved... >>
No, truly, there are no other issues involved. I truly am just annoyed by her
mannerisms.
<< I don't
diss her publicly just because I don't like her mouth... >>
I don't feel I dissed Jodie. I started off iwth a statement about her shameless
display of cleavage. And it turned into how her mannerisms bother me. If I
wanted to diss her I'd launch into an analysis of her sexuality like other
people do, but which I haven't and won't.
Richard Steven Hack
wrote:
>richa...@SPAMHELLNOpcmagic.net (Richard Steven Hack) wrote in message news:<3cba892f...@mammoth.usenet-access.com>...
>
>touchée...what is a feminist, to begin with? Secondly, you can be a
>very confident, good-looking, cocky and independent woman and *still*
>not use the f word every time you open your mouth nor down everyone
>around you.
As to what a feminist is, which branch are you referring to - the ones
who support pornography or the ones who don't? The ones who support
EQUAL rights for women or the ones who support SUPERIOR rights for
women? The ones who believe in a partnership culture or the ones who
hate men? Feminists or feminazis?
All I know is that Jodie considers herself a feminist in some respect.
The question seems to be whether she has problems relating to men
either sexually, romantically, or professionally. I would hope not,
but she has said her mother and her mother's friends tended to
downgrade men in conversation - and some of it may have stuck to
Jodie... Probably not all that much - she HAS been seen with men in
the past and she does have several male friends (gay and otherwise),
so draw your own conclusions.
Jodie has explained her use of the F word as indicative that she feels
strongly about things and uses strong language. I suspect that's
true, but actually in most interviews I haven't seen her use it that
often - unless it was edited out... Besides, I spent eight years in
the Federal pen - the F word doesn't exactly shock me! (Or most other
people in my experience.)
And she doesn't down everyone around her. She has been critical of
some directors and she has been complimentary to many others. She has
very definite opinions about the movie business - after 36 years in it
and being near the top of it, she's entitled...
>> >
>> >I wish you didn't. she's probably more interesting than you are.
>>
>> She is...
>
>How do you know? I wouldn't be so sure
Oh, I think after reading as much as I have about her, I believe Jodie
is being very self-effacing when she says she is very ordinary. I
think she wants to be and tries to be - but she isn't and she needs to
deal with that.
As to the other party, I would suspect Jodie is more interesting, but
of course I could be wrong... (Lol)
Richard Steven Hack
wrote:
>okay, let's say that she looks better with her clothes on...one thing
>that I really don't like about her body is that her legs are too long
>and her torso's too short. Also, her butt is too big and what Shakira
>sings about her breasts applies to JF as well...there, I've said it!
Her butt is too big? She hardly has one AFAIK. Compared to Jennifer
Lopez, it's nonexistent! I"m not sure about her legs being too long
either - long legs are frequently considered attractive - look at
Nicole Kidman. I don't think Jodie's legs are too long - in fact they
don't seem long to me at all - they seem somewhat short. She's only
5'4".
Now her breasts are okay, but they are the type that "sit" on the
chest - they don't stand up. They're better than Gwyneth Paltrow's.
I'd say. They obviously could be better, but to be crude about it, I
wouldn't mind having them in my hands and my mouth. And that's all
breasts have to be - adequately sexually attractive and functional.
My motto is you only have to be good-looking enough to get laid
regularly. Anything above that is a bonus. In the movie and modeling
business, that bonus is desireable, but not critical. Jodie makes up
for a somewhat less than gorgeous appearance by being charismatic -
and that she is cannot be doubted - EVERYONE (except that idiot
producer De Laurentis) has said that she is that.
>
>> She once said she wanted to do a "very frank film about sex and my
>> generation" - but she never did...
>
>Thank God! She should concentrate on doing more Clarice Starlings and
>leave the sex to Sharon Stone
I would say she does do the former better than the latter. But I
think if she had the right motivation, she could do the latter as well
as any actress. The kind of roles she likes to do simply aren't the
sex-drenched bimbo kind of roles that Stone does.
Richard Steven Hack
wrote:
>richa...@SPAMHELLNOpcmagic.net (Richard Steven Hack) wrote in message news:<3cba8751...@mammoth.usenet-access.com>...
>>
>> Jodie is a woman who ACTS like sex would be a big deal with her
>
>I don't have that feeling. In fact, I have the feeling that she's not
>a very sexual person. I think that *arguing* would be a big deal with
>her. I would love to argue with her.
What I meant by what I said above is that the way she acts as a person
- intelligent and forceful and creative - indicates that she would
probably be good in bed. A survey I read some years ago in a
psychology journal said that intelligent women tend to have richer sex
lives - a fairly obvious conclusion, but applicable here.
She "doesn't have a flirty bone in her body" as one director put it -
but he went home and told his wife (facetiously) that he thought he
had fallen in love with a fifteen-year-old girl.
I must agree with you that intellectual debating is probably something
she is really good at. But she would be very forceful about it. Read
the recent interview in LA Magazine - a very long and different sort
of interview than the usual ones that concentrate on personal issues.
This interview was about her work and the business - her attitude in
it is astonishingly completely different than the usual interview.
Very fast, definite, assured opinions about the business and
directing.
>
>
>and
>> who also acts like a powerful person. Lots of people want sex with a
>> powerful person. I don't mean powerful in a political sense or in a
>> bullying sense, but in the sense of being able to handle their life
>> and accomplish goals and deal with adversity.
>
>This is really fantastic...you mean, you like to be bossed around?
>Controlled? Dominated?
>
>I hope you won't be upset with these personal insinuations ;-)
I assume you were joking! I am far from submissive. No, I don't mean
people who like to be bossed - just the opposite - people who want to
relate to an equal in a partner.
>
>Belle-de-jour
>
>"Most people are afraid of their feelings in this area (sex). Reich
>says we form our personalities, our families and our government around
>this neurotic armour."
>
>Jack Nicholson (1989)
Good quote from Nicholson...
Richard Steven Hack
Cathy) wrote:
><< richa...@SPAMHELLNOpcmagic.net (Richard Steven Hack) >>
>
>
><< No disrespect intended - but it just seems to me that when someone
>doesn;t llike someone just because of the way they form their mouth
>when they speak, that's there's other issues involved... >>
>
>
>No, truly, there are no other issues involved. I truly am just annoyed by her
>mannerisms.
>
Okay.
>
>
>
><< I don't
>diss her publicly just because I don't like her mouth... >>
>
>
>I don't feel I dissed Jodie. I started off iwth a statement about her shameless
>display of cleavage.
The word "shameless" in normal conversational usage seems to imply a
moral judgement which implies "dissing", wouldn't you say?
> And it turned into how her mannerisms bother me. If I
>wanted to diss her I'd launch into an analysis of her sexuality like other
>people do, but which I haven't and won't.
Good - her sexuality may be one thing or another but it is no
justification for dissing her. Now, if you want to complain about her
courage or lack of it in dealing with the issue publicly, that is
another thing and you certainly can have an opinion about it.
I diss people who are hypocrites or fools or idiots or assholes. She
hasn't demonstrated any of that to me yet - I just get nervous about
whether there's something going on I don't know about (like an affair
with Mel Gibson) that might indicate she has done something foolish
for emotional reasons. If she has, though, it would not be surprising
- she's human - but it might be disappointing.
And of course it would make a lot of work for me as her Keeper...:-}
(God, I can't wait for the Winona Ryder trial... Groan...}
Chatty Cathy
<< The word "shameless" in normal conversational usage seems to imply a
moral judgement which implies "dissing", wouldn't you say? >>
I told you I didn't have the intention of dissing her. But I'm not going to
retract my use of the word shameless. It was a "shameless display of cleavage"
not a "shamless parenting ethic". See the dif? It wasn't a moral judgment about
her as a person.
<< Now, if you want to complain about her
courage or lack of it in dealing with the issue publicly, that is
another thing and you certainly can have an opinion about it. >>
Actually, the truth is, I don't care. ;) I'm sure if I were a fan, I'd care.
Frankly, I don't know what Jodie Foster's deal is. She seems too famous to have
been able to hide anyone---a man OR a woman---for this long. That astounds me.
But at the same time, she's famous enough to come "out" if indeed she is "in"
and not have to worry that her career would suffer.
<< I diss people who are hypocrites or fools or idiots or assholes >>
Like Russell Crowe? <giggle>
<< I just get nervous about
whether there's something going on I don't know about (like an affair
with Mel Gibson) >>
From what I've heard MG is a verrrrrrrrry solid Catholic. Now, I recognize that
this doesn't mean a person is perfect, and God knows Catholics don't have the
best name right now [what with the molestation scandals], but it is a strong
indicator that nothing untoward is going on with MG. I think he has a firm
foundation between his religion and his big family. Then again, I'm not a MG
fan, so I really don't anything much about him beyond this.
Richard Steven Hack
Cathy) wrote:
><< richa...@SPAMHELLNOpcmagic.net (Richard Steven Hack) >>
>
>
><< The word "shameless" in normal conversational usage seems to imply a
>moral judgement which implies "dissing", wouldn't you say? >>
>
>
>I told you I didn't have the intention of dissing her. But I'm not going to
>retract my use of the word shameless. It was a "shameless display of cleavage"
>not a "shamless parenting ethic". See the dif? It wasn't a moral judgment about
>her as a person.
>
OH - NOW I get it! Sorry...
><< Now, if you want to complain about her
>courage or lack of it in dealing with the issue publicly, that is
>another thing and you certainly can have an opinion about it. >>
>
>
>Actually, the truth is, I don't care. ;) I'm sure if I were a fan, I'd care.
>Frankly, I don't know what Jodie Foster's deal is. She seems too famous to have
>been able to hide anyone---a man OR a woman---for this long. That astounds me.
>But at the same time, she's famous enough to come "out" if indeed she is "in"
>and not have to worry that her career would suffer.
Agreed.
>
><< I diss people who are hypocrites or fools or idiots or assholes >>
>
>
>Like Russell Crowe? <giggle>
>
Right.
><< I just get nervous about
>whether there's something going on I don't know about (like an affair
>with Mel Gibson) >>
>
>
>From what I've heard MG is a verrrrrrrrry solid Catholic. Now, I recognize that
>this doesn't mean a person is perfect, and God knows Catholics don't have the
>best name right now [what with the molestation scandals], but it is a strong
>indicator that nothing untoward is going on with MG. I think he has a firm
>foundation between his religion and his big family. Then again, I'm not a MG
>fan, so I really don't anything much about him beyond this.
>
That could well be true - it might even explain why Jodie likes him -
because he may be a rock-solid family guy (as opposed to her father,
who wasn't). But personally, as an atheist, I feel anyone who is
deeply religious has major psychological problems - and therefore
might well do anything if their emotional baggage gets in the way (or
can be twisted to support) their belief system. Add in his previous
alcholism, his gun collection (the Pope would approve of that?), and
his flirting and - I get a wild card that is very suspicious...
The interesting time will be when he hits mid-life crisis like most of
the other jock macho guys and then we'll see if he dumps his wife and
seven kids and runs off with a twenty-five-old... I just hope Jodie
isn't planning on him running to her - because she turns forty this
year and I don't think he'll be looking for over thirty...
Belle-de-jour
> As to what a feminist is, which branch are you referring to - the ones
> who support pornography or the ones who don't? The ones who support
> EQUAL rights for women or the ones who support SUPERIOR rights for
> women? The ones who believe in a partnership culture or the ones who
> hate men? Feminists or feminazis?
I have no idea! I don't know what feminism means, that's why I never
use that word.
>
> All I know is that Jodie considers herself a feminist in some respect.
> The question seems to be whether she has problems relating to men
> either sexually, romantically, or professionally. I would hope not,
> but she has said her mother and her mother's friends tended to
> downgrade men in conversation - and some of it may have stuck to
> Jodie...
She's too intelligent to treat all men the same way
> Jodie has explained her use of the F word as indicative that she feels
> strongly about things and uses strong language.
It's arguable. I know people who have very strong opinions and who
feel strongly about things, yet they never use "strong" language. I
think it's just a bad habit she has. Well, many people have it, but
that doesn't make it sound any better.
> Oh, I think after reading as much as I have about her, I believe Jodie
> is being very self-effacing when she says she is very ordinary. I
> think she wants to be and tries to be - but she isn't and she needs to
> deal with that.
She's everything but an ordinary person. But how does one deal with
that?
>
> As to the other party, I would suspect Jodie is more interesting, but
> of course I could be wrong... (Lol)
you never know. People are always surprising me
Belle-de-jour
"I'm not as normal as I appear"
Woody Allen
Richard Steven Hack
wrote:
>richa...@SPAMHELLNOpcmagic.net (Richard Steven Hack) wrote in message news:<3cbbc846....@mammoth.usenet-access.com>...
>>
>> All I know is that Jodie considers herself a feminist in some respect.
>> The question seems to be whether she has problems relating to men
>> either sexually, romantically, or professionally. I would hope not,
>> but she has said her mother and her mother's friends tended to
>> downgrade men in conversation - and some of it may have stuck to
>> Jodie...
>She's too intelligent to treat all men the same way
I hope so - but I know from experience that emotional problems
override one's intelligence quite often.
>
>
>> Jodie has explained her use of the F word as indicative that she feels
>> strongly about things and uses strong language.
>
>It's arguable. I know people who have very strong opinions and who
>feel strongly about things, yet they never use "strong" language. I
>think it's just a bad habit she has. Well, many people have it, but
>that doesn't make it sound any better.
So who cares? She uses it probably much less than a lot of people. I
could care less - unless she becomes a caricature, which I don't see
happening. She has far too much literary knowledge to speak like a
gutter tramp - and she never has that I am aware of. She has a
reputation for speaking well.
>
>
>> Oh, I think after reading as much as I have about her, I believe Jodie
>> is being very self-effacing when she says she is very ordinary. I
>> think she wants to be and tries to be - but she isn't and she needs to
>> deal with that.
>
>She's everything but an ordinary person. But how does one deal with
>that?
The way she has tried. How successful has she been? Ask her.
>
>>
>> As to the other party, I would suspect Jodie is more interesting, but
>> of course I could be wrong... (Lol)
>
>you never know. People are always surprising me
People rarely surprise me any more.
>
>Belle-de-jour
>
>"I'm not as normal as I appear"
>
>Woody Allen
Now THAT is a funny line, Woody!