Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate?
GQ Jim
Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
FDR
Biden was to the point, had examples, stuck to the questions presented.
Palin often avoided, gave no real policy issues, and blathered on.
Win to Biden.
felonio...@aol.com
It'll depend on how many posts Clouddipshit makes tomorrow displaying
her bed-wetting fear of the scary lady from Alaska.
clouddreamer
> Talk about a major upset!!!
>
Only to Republicans.
Palin relied on Bushisms and Palinisms and no real hard facts. She spoke
as though she did so from a script (as I expected....memorize, memorize,
memorize). As Biden pointed out more than once, Palin didn't answer some
questions. All she could do was call herself and John a maverick....and
surprising called the Feds incapable of managing a health care system
after what happened on Wall street...gee...guess what else they are
incapable of running.
..
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felonio...@aol.com
> GQ Jim wrote:
> > Talk about a major upset!!!
>
> Only to Republicans.
>
> Palin relied on Bushisms and Palinisms and no real hard facts. She spoke
> as though she did so from a script (as I expected....memorize, memorize,
> memorize). As Biden pointed out more than once, Palin didn't answer some
> questions. All she could do was call herself and John a maverick....and
> surprising called the Feds incapable of managing a health care system
> after what happened on Wall street...gee...guess what else they are
> incapable of running.
That's one!
Gumby
I thought they were both terrific - far better than McCain and Obama.
I wish the POTUS ticket included both of them running together.
dsm1
[I think Biden made a mistake by looking at the moderator 85% of the
time, while Palin always looked into the camera.]
da pickle nospam
Yeah, and George Bush has been a great president. lol.
Kris Baker
"FDR" <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote in message
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She looked like she was wearing a wire - down her right side (which
is to the viewer's left). It couldn't have been straggly hair.
Watch carefully during the replays.
CBS has Biden 46%, Palin 21%, tied 33%.
Kris
Big J
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MSNBC has
Joe Biden 53%
Sarah Palin 37%
Tie 4.6%
Not sure 5.5%
Big J
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"GQ Jim" <calama...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Talk about a major upset!!!
The propaganda machine did everything it could beforehand to set the bar
very low for Palin so she would have a chance to clear it. That approach
may cause some to believe that Palin 'won' simply becasue she didn't break
down in tears and walk off the stage, but it won;'t fool anyone that was
viewing the debate as 2 potential Vice Presidents facing off on equal terms.
The debate questions were very baited. Lots of 'what have you done wrong',
'what have you changed your mind about', how would you run things
differently than the Presidential candidate you are running with', why
didn't you want to be Vice President (or why didn't you know what the job
was about), etc... Both candidates successfully avoided those traps and
steered the questions into positives about themselves and their
runningmates.
Palin's weak point was that every answer followed the same 'feel'. The
answer would start with 20 seconds or so of 'girl next door' banter and
friendliness; then her voice would actually change pitch, her head would
turn to the camera, and she would start regurgitating a pre-programmed
response like it was a recorded message. She clearly has a capacity to
memorize long soundbites, but she didn't make them seem natural or
believable as 'her thoughts'.
Biden's weak point was in stumbling over words frequently and then having to
go back several words to restate the one he intended to use. the end result
was a bit awkward, just like Palin, but a much more believable presentation
in terms of the 'feel' that he was speaking his mind.
The biggest plus of the debate was that it seemed to be moderated very well
with the two candidates keeping on track, timewise, or at least not having a
'red light' turn on every minute or so to show that they had gone over a
limit. The moderator was able to deliver the questions without becoming the
focus of the debate (as well as the debate format itself not becoming the
focus of the debate) , which was an improvement over some other debates in
the last decade or so.
OrangeSFO
It's cute how she says "ya" and "thinkin' " and "workin' "
I think she actually winked at me.
jewahe
I wouldn't say she won, but she certainly exceeded expectations. My
biggest complaints are that 1) the way she kept staring into the camera
gave her a bit of a deer-in-the-headlights look and 2) the folksy,
girl-next-door demeanor wore thin fairly quickly. She also seemed very
much like a yes-man to the McCain policies, with little independent
though or consideration to what those policies were. I think the best
thing she did was to review her record, which does seem to allay a bit
of the criticism that she isn't an effective, qualified executive, at
least with respect to energy.
Of course, that was also true of Biden. He also seemed to give a
rubber-stamp to the Obama policies. And that was my biggest complaint
about him: he just seemed to read the exact script from the Presidential
debate, with little deviation. He also missed several clear
opportunities to nail Palin to the wall and trip her up. He appeared
very calm and collected throughout most of the evening.
Like the Presidential debate, I'm not sure there was a clear winner.
Neither candidate really did much to expand on what has already been
explained. And, like the Presidential debate, I think that this debate
is going to do little to sway the independents in a particular
direction. Certainly, if you've already taken sides, you're just not
going to reconsider based on this debate.
--
JWH
Clave
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> "FDR" <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote in message
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> flat out lied.
>
> She didn't embarrass herself or the party as much as expected.
This was never going to change any minds, it just gives the meedja something
to wank themselves silly about over the weekend.
Jim
Dano
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Hahaha...pretty funny. I just put Biden ahead with the FIFTH vote. Great
site. Idiot.
Dano
"Big J" <bi...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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Oh yeah? Well this country is obviously biased for these damn liberals!
Dano
"dsm1" <ds...@rock.com> wrote in message
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> Palin wins, but not by a landslide.
>
> [I think Biden made a mistake by looking at the moderator 85% of the
> time, while Palin always looked into the camera.]
>
Well that's from her strength of experience. As a TV sportsreporter.
Dano
"OrangeSFO" <intang...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Palin won the Perky Prize!
>
> It's cute how she says "ya" and "thinkin' " and "workin' "
>
> I think she actually winked at me.
>
No way you hoser...she was winkin' at me dontcha know?
B. Peg
of the Constitution. I think I recall the Executive Branch being Article II
(this is my crappy memory from my 8th grade public school education of maybe
40 years ago). Legislative Branch (where he's at) is Article I.... I think?
Dunno, but 35 years experience in government I think he should know that.
Hell, I don't know it that well, but I don't think it's Article I.
B~
funkatram
Clear knockout? At best, it was a tie. The "biased Liberal jerk"
part let me know that you're probably not serious. Either way,
Obama's gonna win, so shh.
Clave
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> "B. Peg" <bent_...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> his opponent.
And that the role is constitutionally-defined.
If the Pugs have to reach that far for a "gotcha", they know they lost
big-time.
Jim
Dutch
"OrangeSFO" <intang...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> It's cute how she says "ya" and "thinkin' " and "workin' "
>
> I think she actually winked at me.
How many times did she say "Hockey Mom"? I lost track.
Pepe Papon
wrote:
Funny, even on this obviously pro-Palin site, Biden is ahead in the
poll by a 2-1 margin.
Dutch
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> In article <F5ydnUQ9NuBXGXjV...@giganews.com>
> FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>
>> GQ Jim wrote:
>> > Talk about a major upset!!!
>> >
>> > Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
>> > reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
>> > If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
>> > Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
>> > If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
>> > are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
>>
>>
>> Palin often avoided, gave no real policy issues, and blathered on.
>> Win to Biden.
>
> asshole.
>
> Win to Palin.
Palin was barely coherent.
Tattoo Vampire
> You're getting dumber by the post. Maybe you need some
> alzheimers drugs.
Maybe you need some balls so you'll quit going through a remailer, you
pansy.
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Tattoo Vampire
> Palin was barely coherent.
She was okay as long as she stuck to her script. Did you note how she could
not answer when asked if she agreed with Dick Cheney that the veep's
office was part of the legislative branch?
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Beldin the Sorcerer
"Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote in message
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So was Biden.
Anyone claiming a large "win" by either candidate reveals themselves to be a
partisan asshole.
>
Rob Jensen
>Palin wins, but not by a landslide.
>
>[I think Biden made a mistake by looking at the moderator 85% of the
>time, while Palin always looked into the camera.]
Biden's body language was not stand-offish, the exact opposite of
McShame's 'tude last Friday. Thus, he presented himself as not
personalizing anything he was saying against Palin and instead
directing his criticism to McCain. He did what he needed to do, which
was to rise above the McShame-ish bullshit without bullying Palin.
-- Rob
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Rob Jensen
<calama...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Talk about a major upset!!!
>
>Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
>reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
>If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
>Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
>If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
>are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
You're funny.
Tim Norfolk
> x-no-archive: yes"FDR" <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote in message
>
> news:F5ydnUQ9NuBXGXjV...@giganews.com...
>
> > GQ Jim wrote:
> >> Talk about a major upset!!!
>
> >> Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
> >> reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
> >> If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
> >> Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
> >> If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
> >> are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
>
> > Palin often avoided, gave no real policy issues, and blathered on. Win to
> > Biden.
>
> out lied.
>
> She didn't embarrass herself or the party as much as expected.
I agree. My opinion of him went way up.
clouddreamer
LOL...even the squidoo's guy's poll has Biden at 67.4%
;D
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EGK
<beld...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Palin was fine.
>So was Biden.
>
>Anyone claiming a large "win" by either candidate reveals themselves to be a
>partisan asshole.
You just described 99% of those posting about politics in these groups. It's
turned them in to the same sewer as alt.politics.
It's politics as sporting event. People only care if their side wins and
don't even notice that it's the country that really loses.
Beldin the Sorcerer
"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
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It was a push, slight edge to Palin.
All the talking heads this morning, 'pubs and dems, are saying so.
clouddreamer
Or maverick!!! Argh!
Oh wait...that's mavrick to the republicans.
..
clouddreamer
> In article <c2934bf3-f4f2-4012-ab16-
> 635bcf...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
> felonio...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 7:31 pm, GQ Jim <calamaroo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Talk about a major upset!!!
>>>
>>> Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
>>> reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
>>> If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
>>> Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
>>> If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
>>> are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
>> her bed-wetting fear of the scary lady from Alaska.
>
> clouddreamer likes to pee on you when you fuck her.
That's mature.
<plonk>
seastew
> "FDR" <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote in message
>
> news:F5ydnUQ9NuBXGXjV...@giganews.com...
>
> >> Talk about a major upset!!!
>
> >> Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
> >> reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
> >> If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
> >> Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
> >> If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
> >> are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
>
> > Palin often avoided, gave no real policy issues, and blathered on. Win to
> > Biden.
>
> She looked like she was wearing a wire - down her right side (which
> is to the viewer's left). It couldn't have been straggly hair.
> Watch carefully during the replays.
>
> CBS has Biden 46%, Palin 21%, tied 33%.
>
> Kris
I'm so glad you said that. I noticed that as well. When Biden was
talking, she was looking down and didn't appear to be listening to
him. She rarely looked at the camera when not speaking. Biden
generally (not always, but for the most part) maintained eye contact
with the camera or Palin when she was speaking.
I got this distinct impression that she was getting coached but
couldn't figure it out. Your observations are spot on. I will watch
again. Isn't wearing a wire a big 'no no'?
clouddreamer
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:49:53 -0700 (PDT), dsm1 <ds...@rock.com> wrote:
>
>> Palin wins, but not by a landslide.
>>
>> [I think Biden made a mistake by looking at the moderator 85% of the
>> time, while Palin always looked into the camera.]
>
> Biden's body language was not stand-offish, the exact opposite of
> McShame's 'tude last Friday. Thus, he presented himself as not
> personalizing anything he was saying against Palin and instead
> directing his criticism to McCain. He did what he needed to do, which
> was to rise above the McShame-ish bullshit without bullying Palin.
Biden has a great smile.
Tim Norfolk
her answers? The "Freedom is not passed in the genes....". It is, I
believe from one of his State of the Union addresses, and appears in
the New Citizen's Handbook.
FDR
Biden should have been the Pres candidate
urillan
> I thinkBidengaffed big time on the V.P.'s job being explained in Article I
> of the Constitution. I think I recall the Executive Branch being Article II
> (this is my crappy memory from my 8th grade public school education of maybe
> 40 years ago). Legislative Branch (where he's at) is Article I.... I think?
>
> Dunno, but 35 years experience in government I think he should know that.
> Hell, I don't know it that well, but I don't think it's Article I.
He didn't gaffe on that. He was (may still be) a professor of
constitutional law since 1991at the Widener University School of Law.
Article I of the Constitution, section 3 does describe some parts of
the job of the VP. I've heard Biden rattle off other sections of the
Constitution where a given topic are to be found, and he could/should
have done that last night, but it might have sounded haughty or
unctuous.
A Man Beaten by Jacks
wrote:
Art. I, sec. 3
[. . .]
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the
Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro
tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall
exercise the Office of President of the United States.
---
Other than rules of succession, rules for acting as President if the
President is still alive but incompetent, and rules for electing or
impeaching, there is nothing whatsoever about any powers of the Vice
President. His sole explicitly granted power is the power to split a
tie in the Senate.
Though it seems rational that the President should be able to delegate
executive authority to the Vice President, Cheney's idea that the
office is some kind of mutant platypus, neither executive nor
legislative, is a ludicrous insult to rationality.
Dave the Clueless
wrote:
> "explorer" <N...@ubidnis.com> wrote in message
>
> This was never going to change any minds, it just gives the meedja something
> to wank themselves silly about over the weekend.
>
> Jim-
You, sir, win.
urillan
> reverse has occured. SarahPalinhas won by a clear knock out!!!!!
> If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting forPalinin this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
> If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
> are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
I am not biased. I've judged other debates rather objectively. Palin
did far better than was expected by most. Her debating failures were
more plentiful, greivous and unforgivable than were his. He scored
more points. More points, less failures determine the victor.
But she did it by affectation (playing the folksy card), dodging
questions and spewage of dubious value or merit. Avoiding, dodging or
failing to provide coverage of any question(s) posed by the moderator
is unforgivable in any debate. She made statements of "fact" that he
rebutted, showing them (early on) to be either deceitful or outright
lies (listener's choice). You cannot declare that you might not
answer the questions the way the moderator desires or expects.
Biden stayed on point consistently, made a handful of (almost
definitely) known-false assertions. He was knowledgable on the
points, on the topics and on the general history of Obama and McCain.
When asked a question, he answered rather comprehensively with
examples and specificity.
Her repeated maverick references were absurd. If someone is truly a
maverick then everyone is aware of that. He seems the average, old
republican, bringing no new ideas.
She kept saying that the surge worked, and the republicans keep
harping that point, but the surge was the minor contribution to
declines in Iraqi violence. Even National security adviser Stephen
Hadley said "It was the surge that provided more resources and a
security context to support newly developed techniques and operations"
but that the "newly developed techniques and operations" aka the
massive new wet-operation. Also, we have the cease-fire ordered by
Muqtada al-Sadr and finally the Anbar Awakening. Anyone would have to
agree that the al-Sadr and Anbar contributed chiefly to the drop in
violence.
Check The War Within: Secret White House History 2006-2008 by Woodward
for surge-related details.
Joe Long
> I think Biden gaffed big time on the V.P.'s job being explained in Article I
> (this is my crappy memory from my 8th grade public school education of maybe
> 40 years ago). Legislative Branch (where he's at) is Article I.... I think?
>
> Dunno, but 35 years experience in government I think he should know that.
> Hell, I don't know it that well, but I don't think it's Article I.
It wasn't really a gaffe. The first mention of the Vice-President is in
Article I, where the V.P. is designated the President of the Senate (and
gets to vote in the event of a tie). What was a gaffe was his posturing
about Cheney being "dangerous" for asserting that the V.P. has a role in
both branches. Nevertheless, if Palin had made similar statement about
the Articles, Risky, Orange, Clave and the gang would be hammering her
over it.
--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range
Joe Long
>> He at least knew which branch of government the VP falls under - unlike
>> his opponent.
>
> And that the role is constitutionally-defined.
Sure is:
Article. I. - The Legislative Branch
Section 3 - The Senate
The Vice President of the United States shall be
President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be
equally divided.
And of course there are also roles and duties defined in Article II and
some amendments. The office of V.P. is somewhat unique in having roles
defined by the Constitution in both the Legislative and Executive Branches.
Cheney's attempt to avoid testimony by claiming to be part of the
Legislative Branch was specious, but Biden's posturing was both
hysterical and wrong. On this question, advantage: Palin.
Joe Long
> Palin was fine.
> So was Biden.
>
> Anyone claiming a large "win" by either candidate reveals themselves to be a
> partisan asshole.
Yep. But what else is new? Partisans always claim that their guy
mopped up the floor with the other guy.
I observed weeks ago that Palin is a kind of Rorschach test. How people
perceive her tells a lot about their own political views.
Dutch
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That was one of several low points, another was when she insisted that
General McLelland never said the surge would not work in Iraq. His name is
McKiernan.
I laughed when Biden tried to link John McCain to President Bush. "There ya'
go again pointing backward," she said. "Now doggone it, let's look ahead."
Is this John Wayne impersonation wearing thin on anyone?
Given her performance during the week leading up to the debate, anything
better than a total humilation going to be called a success for her.
snakehawk
> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitt...@this.computer> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Biden was selling a sleek new car while Palen was trying to sell a
beat up old Ford. Palen made quite a few people think favorably about
that old Ford. That was pretty remarkable.
Obama should be thankful he chose Biden. Biden did a masterful job.
Any less skillful debater might have been swamped by the compelling
and feisty Palen. The lady was terrific.
patpow...@gmail.com
> If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
> If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
> are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
Sorry, all I could think about during the debate was Bill Clinton's
blow job. Verily he was the Antichrist.
patpow...@gmail.com
> On Oct 2, 10:31 pm, GQ Jim <calamaroo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> But she did it by affectation (playing the folksy card), dodging
> questions and spewage of dubious value or merit.
That's being Presidential.
> Avoiding, dodging or
> failing to provide coverage of any question(s) posed by the moderator
> is unforgivable in any debate.
It's very Presidential. All of the Presidents do this. No one would
respect a President who actually answered a question.
> She made statements of "fact" that he
> rebutted, showing them (early on) to be either deceitful or outright
> lies (listener's choice).
Jes lahk the POTUS.
> You cannot declare that you might not
> answer the questions the way the moderator desires or expects.
>
Yah, that's for beginners. Now ignoring Congressional subpoenas,
that's REALLY Presidential.
> Biden stayed on point consistently, made a handful of (almost
> definitely) known-false assertions. He was knowledgable on the
> points, on the topics and on the general history of Obama and McCain.
> When asked a question, he answered rather comprehensively with
> examples and specificity.
>
Unpresidential. He's got to work on that Southern accent too. I mean
Maryland is below the Mason-Dixon line, but really...
> Her repeated maverick references were absurd. If someone is truly a
> maverick then everyone is aware of that. He seems the average, old
> republican, bringing no new ideas.
>
> She kept saying that the surge worked, and the republicans keep
> harping that point, but the surge was the minor contribution to
> declines in Iraqi violence. Even National security adviser Stephen
> Hadley said "It was the surge that provided more resources and a
> security context to support newly developed techniques and operations"
> but that the "newly developed techniques and operations" aka the
> massive new wet-operation. Also, we have the cease-fire ordered by
> Muqtada al-Sadr and finally the Anbar Awakening. Anyone would have to
> agree that the al-Sadr and Anbar contributed chiefly to the drop in
> violence.
>
Give credit to a bunch of foreigners? Surely you jest. Killing a
bunch of people at random is the answer to all our problems.
> Check The War Within: Secret White House History 2006-2008 by Woodward
> for surge-related details.
Hah! You think you're so smart. If he wrote about it it wouldn't be
secret, right?
Dutch
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The lady is a master of selling style over substance, sizzle over steak.
From a pure performance standpoint, given what she had to work with, she did
all right. But it was a "debate" to determine the next leader of the free
world, not a vaudeville show, and the issues are deadly serious.
Dutch
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>
> "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote in message
> news:CElFk.11333$AO4....@newsfe01.iad...
>>
>> "Non scrivetemi" <nonscr...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote in
>> message
>> news:f91671d0bf174d10...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info...
>>> In article <F5ydnUQ9NuBXGXjV...@giganews.com>
>>> FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> GQ Jim wrote:
>>>> > Talk about a major upset!!!
>>>> >
>>>> > Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
>>>> > reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
>>>> > If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
>>>> > Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
>>>> > If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
>>>> > are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Palin often avoided, gave no real policy issues, and blathered on.
>>>> Win to Biden.
>>>
>>> asshole.
>>>
>>> Win to Palin.
>>
>> Palin was barely coherent.
> Palin was fine.
> So was Biden.
>
> Anyone claiming a large "win" by either candidate reveals themselves to be
> a partisan asshole.
Then the world is full of them.
Anyone who thinks that Palin came anywhere close to winning that debate is
being partisan.
Independents chose Biden 2-1.
Big Meany
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I pretty much agree with you.
Now the question is :
What will win ?
timeOday
> I laughed when Biden tried to link John McCain to President Bush. "There
> ya' go again pointing backward," she said. "Now doggone it, let's look
> ahead."
>
> Is this John Wayne impersonation wearing thin on anyone?
She was attempting to channel Reagan's smackdown on Carter:
<www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi9y5-Vo61w>
But the line of reasoning is more akin to PT Barnum:
"Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?"
The outcome of Republican policies is plain to see. The fact that they
want us to ignore those consequences is, in itself, very telling.
mb
jewahe <j.ha...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say she won, but she certainly exceeded expectations. My
> biggest complaints are that 1) the way she kept staring into the camera
> gave her a bit of a deer-in-the-headlights look and 2) the folksy,
> girl-next-door demeanor wore thin fairly quickly. She also seemed very
> much like a yes-man to the McCain policies, with little independent
> though or consideration to what those policies were. I think the best
> thing she did was to review her record, which does seem to allay a bit
> of the criticism that she isn't an effective, qualified executive, at
> least with respect to energy.
She was horrible, but not as horrible as people expected. To prevent
her from being horrible she was given a couple of talking points and she
evaded questions to go back to the talking points she knew. If asked if
the sun revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun
she would answer it by bringing up her experience with oil companies and
how we have to dig for more oil!!
snakehawk
> The lady is a master of selling style over substance, sizzle over steak.
> From a pure performance standpoint, given what she had to work with, she did
> all right. But it was a "debate" to determine the next leader of the free
> world, not a vaudeville show, and the issues are deadly serious.
Debates are vaudeville shows. If you want substance, each could give
their positions without a face off. The whole point of putting the
candidates on one stage to argue their positions is to test their
ability to persuade under pressure.
That's what a debate is: a contest of skill. And Palin more than held
her own. You may not like Palin's product--John McCain--but no one can
deny that she did a great job trying to sell him.
polar
> Talk about a major upset!!!
>
> Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
> reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
> If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
> Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
> If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
> are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
I went to the website linked in your post and
voted in both polls; at this time, here are the
results:
Who won the Veep debate?
Sarah Palin 30%
Joe Biden 70%
Who won the first Prez debate?
John McCain 34.6%
Barack Obama 65.4%
charliekilo
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>>
>> "Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:k2jbe498m7ucatf9v...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:30:50 -0400, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"GQ Jim" <calama...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:01f01087-df17-424f...@u28g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Talk about a major upset!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
>>>>> reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
>>>>> If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
>>>>> Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
>>>>> If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
>>>>> are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
>>>>
>>>>Great
>>>>site. Idiot.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Funny, even on this obviously pro-Palin site, Biden is ahead in the
>>> poll by a 2-1 margin.
>>
>> It was a push, slight edge to Palin.
>>
>> All the talking heads this morning, 'pubs and dems, are saying so.
>>
>>
>>
>
> List them - I've not heard a single person give the edge to Palin.
If you listen to the mainstream media there is no way you'll ever hear
that...heck, if Biden didn't show-up because he couldn't find the
auditorium, they (the mainstream media) would still somehow give it to
Biden. I was just listening to the network news, switching between ABC, CBS
& NBC and each "analyst" said the exact some thing -- to the word, which
was, "I would give it to Biden on points but Republicans must have breathed
a sigh of relief with Sarah Palin doing as well as she did." How do you get
three different political analyst from the different networks saying the
exact same sentences in the exact same order?
clouddreamer
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> "clouddreamer" <Clim...@nge.is.real> wrote in message
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>> Rob Jensen wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:49:53 -0700 (PDT), dsm1 <ds...@rock.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Palin wins, but not by a landslide.
>>>>
>>>> [I think Biden made a mistake by looking at the moderator 85% of the
>>>> time, while Palin always looked into the camera.]
>>> Biden's body language was not stand-offish, the exact opposite of
>>> McShame's 'tude last Friday. Thus, he presented himself as not
>>> personalizing anything he was saying against Palin and instead
>>> directing his criticism to McCain. He did what he needed to do, which
>>> was to rise above the McShame-ish bullshit without bullying Palin.
>> Biden has a great smile.
>>
>>
>
> But a not-so-great haircut.
>
>
He has hair?
;]
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or the climate will do it for us.
Ubiquitous
>Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
>reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKrk_6QjcNw
--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
Part_Time_Troll
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m:
> On Oct 3, 2:47 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
>> The lady is a master of selling style over substance, sizzle over
>> steak.
to repugs. to anyone else, her "sizzle" is nauseating (to varying extents). (of
course, politicians are generally icky, anyway)
>>From a pure performance standpoint, given what she had to
>> work with, she did all right. But it was a "debate" to determine
>> the next leader of the fre e world, not a vaudeville show, and
>> the issues are deadly serious.
>
>
> Debates are vaudeville shows.
yeah
> If you want substance, each could
> give their positions without a face off. The whole point of
> putting the candidates on one stage to argue their positions is to
> test their ability to persuade under pressure.
debate is good. it should be back and forth with a moderator to differentiate true
responses from sidesteps, diversion, etc.
but tv "debates" are wrecked by the *associated* silliness.
> That's what a debate is: a contest of skill.
yeah. the (otherwise) useless kinds of skill tend to "win".
> And Palin more than
> held her own. You may not like Palin's product--John McCain--but
> no one can deny that she did a great job trying to sell him.
she campaigned well considering the weak foundations of repug campaigns in
2008.
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Part_Time_Troll
news:S8idnXmMDpDxGnvV...@comcast.com:
> Dutch wrote:
>
>> I laughed when Biden tried to link John McCain to President Bush.
>> "There ya' go again pointing backward," she said. "Now doggone
>> it, let's look ahead."
she quoted old 666 three (or more?) times, yet also says that bashing bush is
"pointing backwards"?
maybe someone ought to let parah stalin know that bush is currently pres. (or
perhaps has been replaced by a slobot since cheney shot him?)
I wonder if stalin's noticed that reagan's been dead for a while (and left the
presidency in the 1980's)
>> Is this John Wayne impersonation wearing thin on anyone?
i guess I haven't seen enough john wayne (darn sakes!). her manner of speech
often reminds me of those "valley girl" jokes.
> She was attempting to channel Reagan's smackdown on Carter:
> <www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi9y5-Vo61w>
> But the line of reasoning is more akin to PT Barnum:
>"Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?"
> The outcome of Republican policies is plain to see. The fact that
> they want us to ignore those consequences is, in itself, very
> telling.
that tactic has been "successful" for decades.
Hugh Wood
>
> - Show quoted text -
I counted at least 14 lies by the "GasBag". Slo' Joe should thank his
lucky stars he had an ultra-leftist Obama supporter as a moderator.
She pulled his chestnutts out of the fire several times. If you kooks
have so much confidence in the Obama/Biden circus why not insist on
the next debate be moderated by Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh? Just to
be "fair" and we all know the liberals are all about "fairness".
Hugh Wood
> "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote in messagenews:UwvFk.24$kn5...@newsfe12.iad...
>
> > "snakehawk" <snakeh...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Whoever the mainstream media and Hollywood left chooses to win will
win.
Hugh Wood
Biden could've dropped his knickers and took a 10 pound dump on the
stage and the uberlibs would be saying he "won the debate". Who do
they think they're trying to bullshit?
cuh...@webtv.net
www.lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=428306
cuhulin
Clave
> x-no-archive: yes
> "Tim Norfolk" <tims...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:89cefde7-c725-4a8a...@q5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> Did anyone else notice the Reagan speech that was slipped into one of
>> her answers? The "Freedom is not passed in the genes....". It is, I
>> believe from one of his State of the Union addresses, and appears in
>> the New Citizen's Handbook.
>
> She was quoting Reagan all over the place. It would have been funny as
> hell, if Biden would have chimed in with Mondale's memorable line -
> "Whenever I hear your policies, I am reminded of that ad: 'Where's the
> beef?' "
>
> It would have been the quip of the decade.
It would have been called condescending, and rightfully so. I think he did
well by staying away from rhetorical gotchas (with the exception of the
"Ultimate Bridge to Nowhere", which was well-played).
Jim
Clave
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<...>
> if Palin had made similar statement about
> the Articles, Risky, Orange, Clave and the gang would be hammering her
> over it.
Yeah, and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon.
Jim
Tattoo Vampire
> Slo' Joe should thank his lucky stars he had an ultra-leftist Obama
> supporter as a moderator.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You fucking idiot.
--
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...Ensign Walnut approaches Dr. Crusher with caution....
f. barnes
> "snakehawk" <snakeh...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
You mention style over substance while Obama is at the top of the
Democratic ticket? That is funny.
Logician
> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitt...@this.computer> wrote in message
>
> news:1608816.t...@this.domain.or.that...
>
>
>
> > Dutch wrote:
>
> >> Palin was barely coherent.
>
> > She was okay as long as she stuck to her script. Did you note how she
> > could
> > not answer when asked if she agreed with Dick Cheney that the veep's
> > office was part of the legislative branch?
> > --
> > Regards,
> > [tv]
>
> > Owner/Proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
>
> > Q: Do you know what the death rate around here is?
> > A: One per person.
>
> That was one of several low points, another was when she insisted that
> General McLelland never said the surge would not work in Iraq. His name is
> McKiernan.
>
> I laughed when Biden tried to link John McCain to President Bush. "There ya'
> go again pointing backward," she said. "Now doggone it, let's look ahead."
>
> Is this John Wayne impersonation wearing thin on anyone?
>
> Given her performance during the week leading up to the debate, anything
> better than a total humilation going to be called a success for her.
She needs to go topless.
Tattoo Vampire
> If you listen to the mainstream media there is no way you'll ever hear
> that...heck, if Biden didn't show-up because he couldn't find the
> auditorium, they (the mainstream media) would still somehow give it to
> Biden. I was just listening to the network news, switching between ABC, CBS
> & NBC and each "analyst" said the exact some thing -- to the word, which
> was, "I would give it to Biden on points but Republicans must have breathed
> a sigh of relief with Sarah Palin doing as well as she did." How do you get
> three different political analyst from the different networks saying the
> exact same sentences in the exact same order?
Why, that liberal media conspiracy, of course. (tinlmc)
--
Regards,
[tv]
...Mason-Dixon Line n. Separates y'all from youse guys
JonesieCat
> From a pure performance standpoint, given what she had to work with, she
> did all right. But it was a "debate" to determine the next leader of the
> free world, not a vaudeville show, and the issues are deadly serious.
Yes. But look at the clown who's in the whitehouse now? She couldn't do
worse, surely. And I'm not even voting for her. But sheesh. She's one strong
cookie. And don't kid yourself, this was no "debate." Too bad, that.
jc (hope we see some genuine debates in coming weeks)
Clave
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<...>
> Yes. But look at the clown who's in the whitehouse now? She couldn't do
> worse,...
Never, *EVER* say that...
Jim
Rob Jensen
wrote:
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>"clouddreamer" <Clim...@nge.is.real> wrote in message
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>> Rob Jensen wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:49:53 -0700 (PDT), dsm1 <ds...@rock.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Palin wins, but not by a landslide.
>>>>
>>>> [I think Biden made a mistake by looking at the moderator 85% of the
>>>> time, while Palin always looked into the camera.]
>>>
>>> Biden's body language was not stand-offish, the exact opposite of
>>> McShame's 'tude last Friday. Thus, he presented himself as not
>>> personalizing anything he was saying against Palin and instead
>>> directing his criticism to McCain. He did what he needed to do, which
>>> was to rise above the McShame-ish bullshit without bullying Palin.
>>
>> Biden has a great smile.
>>
>>
>
>But a not-so-great haircut.
As a flaming liberal, I just thank god he's not Kucinich.
-- Rob
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
Great ExSpangtations
> GQ Jim wrote:
> > Talk about a major upset!!!
>
> > reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
> > Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
> > If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
> > are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
>
> Palin often avoided, gave no real policy issues, and blathered on.
> Win to Biden.
He had names, he had examples and it was a 24 karat moment when he bit
her back about she's HARDLY the only person who's ever suffered over a
child. Her special needs child is still alive. His child and first
wife died. It's just one more event where she clearly seems not to
have checked his background. That was embarassing on her part at that
moment and you could tell he wasn't going to let it slide. She didn't
answer the question Gwen posed about what her achilles heel that she
needs to change/work on is, either. She preached about traditional
marriages and families when Bristol, her eldest daughter, who's still
not fully grown into adulthood, is the perfect example of how NOT to
go about one's life in a traditional manner. A lot of embarassing
things happened to her last night. I'm surprised she was daft enough
to say "Wellllll...Dog Gone It, Joe!" at one point. (That was a first
in U.S. debate podium history, I believe. It's just not
professional...)
It sounded like she was at a square dance instead of a debate right
then and everybody in my living room was just stunned. Also, trying to
make it look like you're accepted by your gay friends and have
"friends of all sorts" and it's their "right to love whomever they
wish" up in Alaska even though you don't want them to have joint
health care as domestic partners doesn't jive. I no more believe that
she has ANY gay friends than the man in the moon. She calls it a state
by state choice that she's after regarding gay rights, yet that's VERY
EASY to say when you reside in the LEAST humanly populated state in
all fifty and you have for over 20 years...LOL.
She really needs to quit preaching to the choir about "traditions"
when she's not following them with her own family. If it's ok for
*HER* family to go against the traditional tide, why then is it NOT
for somebody elses...i.e. somebody who's gay? Her OWN HUSBAND is part
Alaska Native, therefore, she's involved in a biracial relationship,
yet she's against gay love because it's "Non-Traditional"??!?! This is
a woman who lived in *IDAHO* prior to Alaska, which is about the most
"Natives keep with their own as do Whites" state West of the
Mississippi. And she wants to profess that she's tight and close with
"ALL SORTS of folks". LMAO! In which alternate universe, Sarah? Which
one? It all just doesn't jive.
Barack's not my favorite person, either, and I've said it to others
and I'll say it again and many have parroted the same sentiment BACK
to me...80% of me wishes it was REVERSE and that Joe Biden were
running for President instead.... :-'(
S*Babykins
Great ExSpangtations
> On Oct 2, 10:31 pm, GQ Jim <calamaroo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Talk about a major upset!!!
>
> > Governor Palin was expected to be beaten by Senator Biden yet the
> > reverse has occured. Sarah Palin has won by a clear knock out!!!!!
> > If you agree with me, please make your opinion heard by voting for
> > Palin in this poll: http://www.squidoo.com/vicepresidentsarahpalin
> > If you disagree with me, do not vote on the poll in that website. You
> > are clearly a biased Liberal jerk.
>
> part let me know that you're probably not serious. Either way,
> Obama's gonna win, so shh.
Answer me this....ANYONE.....How can Palin EVER be accepted or taken
seriously in D.C. when all she does is disrespect the way things are
done and handled in D.C. and attack the media over there time and
again. Bob Scheiffer looked like he was just about ready to vomit when
he commented last night on how (once again) she pissed on the media
and couldn't contain her venom against them... It's not going to fly.
She's a pushy bitch who thinks that it's her way or the highway and
she hasn't even MET the big boys on the hill yet to know what she's up
against.
S*Babykins
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>
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>
>
>
> > "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> Palin won the Perky Prize!
>
> >> It's cute how she says "ya" and "thinkin' " and "workin' "
>
> >> I think she actually winked at me.
>
> > How many times did she say "Hockey Mom"? I lost track.
>
> Only half as many times as she called McCain a 'maverick'.
>
> Has the McCain campaign came out with a statement letting us know when we
> can expect Palion to answer the debate questions since she didn't do it
> tonight?
I wasn't able to count, so I can't answer that one fairly. I was too
busy replenishing my cooler full of Coors and Miller Genuine Draft for
"Joe Six Pack" who had stopped by unexpectedly for a visit. He
could've called you know, but "average working family folk" like him
don't use cell phones.... ;-)
S*Babykins
brewmaster
<Part_Time_Troll@D_Bridge.Com> said:
And of course the premium example of this is JFK, the KING of the
libtards and one of the worst presidents of all time beating Nixon in
1960 because "he looked better on tv".
So STFU already.
Igor The Terrible
>
> - Show quoted text -
DEBATE...................? What debate??? All I heard was a lot of
talk hinging on the same old shit, with very little being said. When
will it dawn on this country--WE NEED A THIRD PARTY!!
Dutch
"snakehawk" <snak...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 3, 2:47 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> The lady is a master of selling style over substance, sizzle over steak.
> From a pure performance standpoint, given what she had to work with, she
> did
> all right. But it was a "debate" to determine the next leader of the free
> world, not a vaudeville show, and the issues are deadly serious.
Debates are vaudeville shows. If you want substance, each could give
their positions without a face off. The whole point of putting the
candidates on one stage to argue their positions is to test their
ability to persuade under pressure.
That's what a debate is: a contest of skill. And Palin more than held
her own. You may not like Palin's product--John McCain--but no one can
deny that she did a great job trying to sell him.
I deny it. I thought she was completely out of her league.
Dutch
"Big Meany" <1...@17.17> wrote in message
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>> beat up old Ford. Palen made quite a few people think favorably about
>> that old Ford. That was pretty remarkable.
>>
>> Obama should be thankful he chose Biden. Biden did a masterful job.
>> Any less skillful debater might have been swamped by the compelling
>> and feisty Palen. The lady was terrific.
>>
>> From a pure performance standpoint, given what she had to work with, she
>> did all right. But it was a "debate" to determine the next leader of the
>> free world, not a vaudeville show, and the issues are deadly serious.
>
> Now the question is :
> What will win ?
These are serious times, the Republicans are not going to win.
Part_Time_Troll
ba09-02e...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> why not insist on
> the next debate be moderated by Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh?
better: rightwankers should demand michael parenti be moderator, if they think their
"neo" fascist candidates can hold up when the "moderator" is "leftist".
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Pepe Papon
How come that theory didn't pan out in 2000 and 2004?