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Paul Lefebvre

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Apr 9, 2004, 3:31:03 PM4/9/04
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Just heard on the radio, she died of heart failure while waiting for a
liver transplant.
PL

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parismom

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Apr 9, 2004, 4:51:35 PM4/9/04
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married to dick cavett, yes?

parismom

jmcowling

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Apr 9, 2004, 5:05:51 PM4/9/04
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Don't know if she was married to Dick Cavett or not but she was the inspiration
for Neil Youngs song A Man Needs A Maid

Ivana Newhouse

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Apr 9, 2004, 5:14:23 PM4/9/04
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<< Subject: Carrie Snodgrass NLSP
From: Paul Lefebvre plefebvre@*removethis*wwdc.com
Date: Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:31 PM
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>>>Just heard on the radio, she died of heart failure while waiting for a
liver transplant.
PL<<<<

Carrie SnodgrEss

KAR

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Apr 9, 2004, 5:20:25 PM4/9/04
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No. Cavett is married to Carrie Nye, also the possessor of a sultry voice.

Snodgress (correct spelling) was in a volatile relationship with Neil Young,
whose song (cited below) was based on Sondgress's Oscar nominated, and
wonderful performance as Richard Benjamin's wife in "Diary of A Mad
Housewife." I seem to recall that Snodgress and Young's child was severely
mentally challenged and there was some dispute over Young's providing care
for the child.

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parismom

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Apr 9, 2004, 5:23:57 PM4/9/04
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KAR wrote:
>
> No. Cavett is married to Carrie Nye, also the possessor of a sultry voice.
>
> Snodgress (correct spelling) was in a volatile relationship with Neil Young,
> whose song (cited below) was based on Sondgress's Oscar nominated, and
> wonderful performance as Richard Benjamin's wife in "Diary of A Mad
> Housewife." I seem to recall that Snodgress and Young's child was severely
> mentally challenged and there was some dispute over Young's providing care
> for the child.

thanks. you're absolutely correct.

parismom

nimue

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Apr 9, 2004, 6:10:53 PM4/9/04
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Paul Lefebvre wrote:
> Just heard on the radio, she died of heart failure while waiting for a
> liver transplant.
> PL

Link, please. I can't find anything on it.


>
> Paul Lefebvre
> plefebvre@*removethis*wwdc.com
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nimue

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Apr 9, 2004, 6:11:57 PM4/9/04
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nimue wrote:
> Paul Lefebvre wrote:
>> Just heard on the radio, she died of heart failure while waiting for
>> a liver transplant.
>> PL
>
> Link, please. I can't find anything on it.

Whoops -- nevermind. I spelled it correctly (Snodgress) and found it.

Kris Baker

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Apr 9, 2004, 6:37:34 PM4/9/04
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"nimue" <cup_o_ca...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Paul Lefebvre wrote:
> > Just heard on the radio, she died of heart failure while waiting for a
> > liver transplant.
> > PL
>
> Link, please. I can't find anything on it.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/389/4714186.html

Last update: April 9, 2004 at 3:25 PM
Actress Carrie Snodgress dead of heart failure at 57
Associated Press
April 9, 2004SNODGRESS0410
LOS ANGELES -- Actress Carrie Snodgress, whose 40-year career included an
Oscar nomination for ``Diary of a Mad Housewife'' and memorable roles in
``Pale Rider'' and ``Wild Things,'' has died. She was 57.

Snodgress was hospitalized at the University of California Medical Center in
Los Angeles, awaiting a liver transplant when she died of heart failure
April 1, her manager, Sidney Craig, said Friday. Her son, Zeke, by rock star
Neil Young, was at her side, he said.

Snodgress was perhaps best-known for her role as a frustrated homemaker
caught between a domineering husband and a self-absorbed lover in 1970's
``Diary of a Mad Housewife.'' She was nominated for an Academy Award and won
two Golden Globe awards - leading actress in a musical or comedy and new
star of the year.

Carrie SnodgressShe starred in Clint Eastwood's 1985 western ``Pale Rider''
and was featured in the 1998 noir film ``Wild Things'' with Matt Dillon and
Neve Campbell.

Off-screen, the Park Ridge, Ill., native's love life was also tumultuous.

Despite critical acclaim for her role in ``Housewife,'' Snodgress turned her
back on Hollywood in 1971 to live with boyfriend Neil Young on his northern
California ranch and care for their son, who was born with cerebral palsy.

She spent more than seven years with Young before she left and returned to
Los Angeles, later suing him for child support.

In 1979, her ex-boyfriend, songwriter Jack Nitzsche, was charged with
threatening to kill her after he barged into her home and beat her with a
handgun. He pleaded guilty to threatening her and was fined and placed on
three years' probation.

Picking up her career after a long absence wasn't easy, Snodgress later
said. She was initially tapped to star opposite Sylvester Stallone in
``Rocky'' but lost the role over a salary dispute.

She eventually landed a supporting role in Brian DePalma's 1978 film ``The
Fury.'' But in a 1986 Los Angeles Times interview, Snodgress said she had no
regrets about temporarily walking away from her career.

``I was never really a career woman, you see,'' she said. ``My life always
came first. When I got nominated for 'Diary of a Mad Housewife,' I didn't
think, 'Aah, now I'll get more money.' My dream had always just been to do
my works well, fall in love and build a life for myself.''

Other film credits included ``The Attic,'' ``A Night in Heaven,''
``Blueberry Hill,'' ``Blue Sky'' and ``Ed Gein.'' Her television credits
included appearances on ``The Virginian,'' ``Marcus Welby, M.D.,'' ``Murder
She Wrote,'' ``X Files,'' ``ER,'' ``Judging Amy,'' ``Touched by an Angel''
and ``The West Wing.''

There was a private family funeral. No public services were planned, Craig
said.

klm

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Apr 9, 2004, 9:23:58 PM4/9/04
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"parismom" <parism...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> married to dick cavett, yes?
>
> parismom

Carry Nye is married to Dick Cavett.

klm

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"KAR" <fin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> No. Cavett is married to Carrie Nye, also the possessor of a sultry
voice.
>
> Snodgress (correct spelling) was in a volatile relationship with Neil
Young,
> whose song (cited below) was based on Sondgress's Oscar nominated, and
> wonderful performance as Richard Benjamin's wife in "Diary of A Mad
> Housewife." I seem to recall that Snodgress and Young's child was
severely
> mentally challenged and there was some dispute over Young's providing care
> for the child.
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/0444411/HH/0444411/0912-2.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Snodgress,%20Carrie


klm

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http://www.startribune.com/stories/389/4714186.html


Patty

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Apr 9, 2004, 9:29:17 PM4/9/04
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"KAR" <fin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<c5743l$2pfe8i$1...@ID-198727.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> No. Cavett is married to Carrie Nye, also the possessor of a sultry voice.
>
> Snodgress (correct spelling) was in a volatile relationship with Neil Young,
> whose song (cited below) was based on Sondgress's Oscar nominated, and
> wonderful performance as Richard Benjamin's wife in "Diary of A Mad
> Housewife." I seem to recall that Snodgress and Young's child was severely
> mentally challenged and there was some dispute over Young's providing care
> for the child.
>

Their son has cerebral palsy and Young usually does a benefit for his
son's school or now maybe former school, the Bridge School, every year
in the Bay Area. Young and his wife started the school.

Kris Baker

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Apr 9, 2004, 9:33:51 PM4/9/04
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"Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "KAR" <fin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Snodgress (correct spelling) was in a volatile relationship
> > with Neil Young, whose song (cited below) was based
> > on Sondgress's Oscar nominated, and wonderful
> > performance as Richard Benjamin's wife in "Diary of A
> > Mad Housewife." I seem to recall that Snodgress
> > and Young's child was severely mentally challenged
> > and there was some dispute over Young's providing care
> > for the child.
> >
>
> Their son has cerebral palsy and Young usually does a
> benefit for his son's school or now maybe former school,
> the Bridge School, every year in the Bay Area. Young
> and his wife started the school.

Both of Neil Young's sons (from different mothers) have
cerebral palsy.

Kris

The


klm

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That's an odd coincidence.


EatWelBWel

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Wasn't she the woman who fought with her ex-lover Jack Nicholson over a house?
If it wasn't her...who was it?

Ivana Newhouse

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<< Subject: Re: Carrie Snodgrass NLSP
From: eatwe...@aol.com (EatWelBWel)
Date: Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:42 PM
Message-id: <20040410004211...@mb-m15.aol.com>

>>>Wasn't she the woman who fought with her ex-lover Jack Nicholson over a
house?
If it wasn't her...who was it?<<<<

Susan Anspach

>><BR><BR>

Zeb Quinn

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"KAR" <fin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<c5743l$2pfe8i$1...@ID-198727.news.uni-berlin.de>...

If you know, what killed her liver?

EatWelBWel

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>>Wasn't she the woman who fought with her ex-lover Jack Nicholson over a
>house?
>If it wasn't her...who was it?<<<<
>
>Susan Anspach

You're right! Thanks. They sort of resemble each other IIRC.

kllm

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"EatWelBWel" <eatwe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Wasn't she the woman who fought with her ex-lover Jack Nicholson over a
house?
> If it wasn't her...who was it?

Angelica Huston?


kllm

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> "KAR" <fin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> If you know, what killed her liver?

If someone does have liver problems, milk thistle is the supplement to take.


Patty

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"Ivana Newhouse" <ivanan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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: << Subject: Re: Carrie Snodgrass NLSP
:
She has a son by Nicholson, or at least she says he's Nicholson's son. I
don't think Nicholson really acknowledges him. But that's why she got
the house.


Doctor Wu

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Apr 10, 2004, 11:51:47 AM4/10/04
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In article <20040410004211...@mb-m15.aol.com>,
eatwe...@aol.com (EatWelBWel) wrote:

> Wasn't she the woman who fought with her ex-lover Jack Nicholson over a house?
> If it wasn't her...who was it?

Jack Nietsche (sp)

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Zeb Quinn

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Apr 10, 2004, 12:39:18 PM4/10/04
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"kllm" <nonos...@com.com> wrote in message news:<107f0ip...@news.supernews.com>...

>
> > If you know, what killed her liver?
>
> If someone does have liver problems, milk thistle is the supplement to take.

That may be, I dunno. But the news accounts say that she was awaiting
a new liver by transplant and died of heart failure (I'm assuming that
it was really in the nature of liver failure and her heart gave out
before her liver totally did). The most that any account I read says
is that she had "liver disease." I'm just wondering what that was.

Ambrose

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"parismom" <parism...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Ms. Snodgress was once a talented rising starlet appearing opposite James
Caan in Rabbit Run and the above mentioned Diary of a Made Housewife with
Richard Benjamin and Frank Langella. Her career was taking off when she
became involved with Neil Young and they had a child with severe problems,
including autism according to one bio. She sought a sort of refuge among the
of the Canyon counter culture in LA but like many soon found the hippie life
empty damaging and hypocritical. In the late seventies she was raped and
brutalized--which included raping her with a hand gun--by the composer of
the music for One Flew Over the Coo Coo's Nest. Many felt she shouldn't have
made her accusations in public and turned against her. Already long
separated from Neil Young, who was never the best or most supportive of
husbands, he too apparently treated Ms. Snodgress rather badly, once
dismissively saying, "every man needs a maid to clean up after him."
Ms. Snodgress delicate beauty was coupled with a husky intriguiging
voice but by the late seventies her looks were fading. She was mostly
involved with being a caregiver and took work primarily for money. She often
gave good performances, "The Fury" and "Behold a Pale Horse" and others, but
as often happens, caregiving wore her down and she aged quickly, this and
personal problems (?drugs-alcohol?) resulted in health problems.
Ambrose


klm

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"Doctor Wu" <la...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Exactly. Jack Nicholson wasn't with her or Susan Anspach.


klm

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"Zeb Quinn" <nast...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Right and I wasn't saying milk thistle would help her, but, if anyone does
have problems, do try it, at least.


Doctor Wu

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Apr 10, 2004, 3:36:38 PM4/10/04
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In article <laa34-15A778....@comcast.ash.giganews.com>,
Doctor Wu <la...@comcast.net> wrote:

sorry my bad, it was Susan Anspach. although Carrie was allegedly
assaulted by jack Nietsche, composer and arranger of such songs as "Love
Lifts Us Up Where We Belong".

--
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klm

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"Doctor Wu" <la...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Jack was with Angelica for 17 years, after that Rebecca, then Lara. When
would he have time for Susan?


Ivana Newhouse

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From: "klm" nonos...@com.com
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Silly me, I guess that's why he gave her a house in lieu of child support for
the son he claims isn't his.

>><BR><BR>

klm

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"Ivana Newhouse" <ivanan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Okay, silly you. What's your point?


Ivana Newhouse

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From: "klm" nonos...@com.com
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Impossible to believe I know but try and wrap your head around the fact that
Jack just might not have been totally, completely, 100% faithful.

Susan was either before or during Angelica.
Rebecca got pregnant while he was still with Angelica.

klm

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"Ivana Newhouse" <ivanan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, I don't follow old guys and won't be wrapping my head around fat old
Jack.


Patty

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"Ivana Newhouse" <ivanan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Here's the story about the disputed house from a 1996 People Magazine article:

UP FRONT: THE HOUSE THAT JACK OWNS ANGRY JACK NICHOLSON THREATENS TO FORECLOSE ON THE HOME
OF HIS EX-LOVER, ACTRESS SUSAN ANSPACH
TOM GLIATTO JOHN HANNAH IN SANTA MONICA
People
Jul 01, 1996

Excerpt:

The dispute seems to have begun two years ago with a letter to
Vanity Fair magazine in which Anspach took issue with a profile
of Nicholson in which he mentioned three children--Lorraine, now
6, and Raymond, 4, both by model-actress Rebecca Broussard, and
Jennifer, 32. But, wrote Anspach, Nicholson has another, older
son, and she ought to know--she's the mother. Caleb Goddard, 25,
now a New York City producer and writer, was conceived, Anspach
claims, while she and Jack were having a fling during the 1970
filming of Five Easy Pieces. (Caleb takes his last name from
Mark Goddard, best known as Don West on Lost in Space, who
married Anspach in 1970, while she was pregnant. The two
divorced in 1977.) Father and son, she wrote, share a "warm"
regard for each other and, she told PEOPLE last week, Nicholson
gave her the money that paid for Caleb's Georgetown University
education. She says Nicholson once told her, "I accept him
totally."

Even so, Anspach says, Nicholson has refused to acknowledge his
paternity publicly and expected Anspach to keep mum as well.
Then came the letter. After it ran, Anspach says, Nicholson
called her several times and gave her what she describes as
terrifying tongue-lashings. "It felt just like being hit," she
says.

Nicholson, in a deposition in March, admitted calling Anspach a
"miserable drunken bitch" in one phone conversation, and tried
to explain his anger. "I do not agree with this endless
publicity-seeking and so forth about personal affairs," he said,
"and we had a discussion not unlike it at other times when this
particular something that I consider a confidence in private was
used in a public way to exploit the situation."

Anspach has characterized her relationship with Nicholson as
generally "friendly," but in the deposition Nicholson told her
attorney, Paul Hoffman, that he viewed her with "mild
antipathy." Then why, asked Hoffman, had Nicholson provided
financial assistance to Anspach? Nicholson, by whose tally
Anspach was lent nearly $500,000 between 1988 and '92, replied:
"I'm a humanitarian."

A star in such '70s films as Blume in Love, Anspach had found
fewer and fewer roles in middle age and asked Nicholson for help
when she could no longer meet payments on the four-bedroom Santa
Monica house she bought for $420,000 in 1979. As security, she
signed over a second, $476,000 mortgage to the Proteus Pension
Plan. The company, run by Nicholson's agent and manager, Robert
Colbert, handles some of the star's finances. "They said,
'That's just on paper, it's a tax thing,'" says Anspach. "Since
he was helping me financially, I thought, 'The least I can do is
do it in a way that benefits him.'" But, she continues, Colbert
assured her orally that Nicholson wouldn't foreclose.

There things stood until January 1995, six months after she
wrote to Vanity Fair. Then Anspach received a letter from
Proteus informing her that she was in arrears by $629,286.97,
interest included, and telling her to pay up or lose the house.

Was Letter One the catalyst for Letter Two? That's Anspach's
belief. "He is trying to ruin me absolutely," she says. "The
only power he finally had over me was to have me sign my house
over to him. I found out fast what that was about."

Nicholson has refused to comment on the case. But, according to
a legal declaration made by Anspach's son in her support, "Jack
told me [on the telephone] that one of the reasons he was
fighting was that he never liked my mom and that his decision to
go ahead with the foreclosure and the lawsuit was a personal
matter. He further said that my mom had tried to use the press
against him, that the press didn't matter once you got to court
and that he was not the one going around writing letters to the
editor of Vanity Fair magazine."

Nothing was resolved in that phone conversation, but there was
one surprising development. It marked the first time, according
to Caleb, that Nicholson had ever called him his son.


robbielynn

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> Which Nicholson threatened to take away from her when she once complained
that he didn't mention their son along with his other children in an
acceptance speech. I think he's a meanie!
>
>
>
>
> >><BR><BR>

klm

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Can't they do DNA tests?


Richard Barnes

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I'm saddened to read of Ms Snogress' passing.

I don't wish to trivialize the tragedy of her death but I was struck
by the coincidence that Ms Snodgress died as a result of a liver
ailment - it was a liver ailment which claimed the life of another of
Neil Young's exes Nicolette Larson.

Ambrose

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"Patty" <aie...@iuyc.com> wrote in message
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Years ago I remember reading an article in one of those hip show business
magazines about Kris Kristofferson, who the female writer discribed as laid
back and easygoing and noted the irony of Kris being cast opposite leading
ladies Barbara Streisand, Jill Clayburgh, Sarah Miles and Susan Anspach who
the writer refered to as refered to as a fearsome foursome of intense
controlling bitchiness, obsession, nymphomania, and mental illness later in
the article they mentioned about Kristofferson running into George Segal at
some bistro. They joked about playing opposite and sleeping with the same
leading ladies, then Segal said, at least he (Segal) hadn't made the
mistake of playing opposite Sarah Miles twice. Kristofferson frowned, his
two appearances opposite Ms. Miles had resulted in an affair which cost him
his marriage to Rita Coolidge. Kristofferson replied something to the effect
that Sarah Miles was the only woman on the planet even crazier than Susan
Anspach.
Ambrose
>


Zeb Quinn

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arr...@yahoo.ca (Richard Barnes) wrote in message news:<5da9e76b.04041...@posting.google.com>...

> I don't wish to trivialize the tragedy of her death but I was struck
> by the coincidence that Ms Snodgress died as a result of a liver
> ailment - it was a liver ailment which claimed the life of another of
> Neil Young's exes Nicolette Larson.

Nicolette was a great one. I didn't know that she had liver trouble.
Her cause of death was always listed as cerebral edema.

Zeb Quinn

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"Ambrose" <ambrose...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<107gcsg...@corp.supernews.com>...

> Ms. Snodgress was once a talented rising starlet appearing opposite James
> Caan in Rabbit Run and the above mentioned Diary of a Made Housewife with
> Richard Benjamin and Frank Langella.

You are right. She was hot back then, in more ways than one,
career-wise and her looks. Playboy even included a photo of her in
its issue that coincided with the release of DOAMH, IIRC a shower
scene still from the film.

Then look at her in Pale Rider, a scant 15 years later, and while she
turned in a good performance for Clint, it's hard to believe that it's
the same person.

Camille

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>
> Ms. Snodgress was once a talented rising starlet appearing opposite James
> Caan in Rabbit Run and the above mentioned Diary of a Made Housewife with
> Richard Benjamin and Frank Langella. Her career was taking off when she
> became involved with Neil Young and they had a child with severe problems,
> including autism according to one bio. She sought a sort of refuge among the
> of the Canyon counter culture in LA but like many soon found the hippie life
> empty damaging and hypocritical. In the late seventies she was raped and
> brutalized--which included raping her with a hand gun--by the composer of
> the music for One Flew Over the Coo Coo's Nest. Many felt she shouldn't have
> made her accusations in public and turned against her. Already long
> separated from Neil Young, who was never the best or most supportive of
> husbands, he too apparently treated Ms. Snodgress rather badly, once
> dismissively saying, "every man needs a maid to clean up after him."
> Ms. Snodgress delicate beauty was coupled with a husky intriguiging
> voice but by the late seventies her looks were fading. She was mostly
> involved with being a caregiver and took work primarily for money. She often
> gave good performances, "The Fury" and "Behold a Pale Horse" and others, but
> as often happens, caregiving wore her down and she aged quickly, this and
> personal problems (?drugs-alcohol?) resulted in health problems.
> Ambrose

Carrie S promoted the myth(?) that Neil Young was not a good father
and provided no help with their handicapped child (cerebral palsy, I
think). I believed this at one point; howver, Neil Young has one or
maybe two OTHER children with cerebral palsy and started the Bridge
School in Northern California for developmentally handicapped
chidlren. (He always talks about two children with cerebral palsy,
one maybe the one with Carrie - and both are living with Neil and his
wife, as I recall.) He is very very committed to raising money for
handicapped children, which appears to put the lie to Carrie's
accusations.

Also, subsequent articles on her as time went by showed her to be
extremely unstable and a drug user, which might explain the need for
the liver transplant. Supposedly she burned many many bridges. I
believe there is more than meets the eye with her, although this is
sad news because she was a rising star that made a downward spiral.

Also, did the "caregiving" ruin her looks? More than likely it was
the drugs. :-)

Zeb Quinn

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Apr 13, 2004, 10:07:59 AM4/13/04
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lin...@comcast.net (Camille) wrote in message news:<c38c1057.04041...@posting.google.com>...

> Carrie S promoted the myth(?) that Neil Young was not a good father
> and provided no help with their handicapped child (cerebral palsy, I
> think). I believed this at one point; howver, Neil Young has one or
> maybe two OTHER children with cerebral palsy and started the Bridge
> School in Northern California for developmentally handicapped
> chidlren. (He always talks about two children with cerebral palsy,
> one maybe the one with Carrie - and both are living with Neil and his
> wife, as I recall.) He is very very committed to raising money for
> handicapped children, which appears to put the lie to Carrie's
> accusations.

It might, but not necessarily. It's nice that he's funded those
things. But being a gazillionaire, he can well afford it, not to
mention the tax benefits. It's what he does with his time and personal
efforts that matter.

And if it's true that A Man Needs A Maid was his little ditty for
Carrie, that doesn't bespeak well of his attitude either,
semi-mysogyny that it is. And this is coming from someone who has
always liked Neil Young, and I gotta admit that I never knew until
this week what that song was about (and I wondered way back then).
That song was on his Harvest album, which was released in the summer
of 1972, and when you account for time spent writing the song and then
recording the album, that backs its origins up another year or so to
mid 1971 at the latest, and probably earlier. What's wrong with this
picture? The song was his tribute to her when he first met her, not a
zing at her when they went their spearate ways, which was in the late
70s.


A Man Need A Maid

My life is changing in so many ways
I don't know who to trust anymore
There's a shadow running thru my days
Like a beggar going from door to door.

I was thinking that maybe I'd get a maid
Find a place nearby for her to stay.
Just someone to keep my house clean,
Fix my meals and go away.

A maid. A man needs a maid.
A maid.

It's hard to make that change
When life and love turns strange.
And old.

To give a love, you gotta live a love.
To live a love, you gotta be \"part of\"
When will I see you again?

A while ago somewhere I don't know when
I was watching a movie with a friend.
I fell in love with the actress.
She was playing a part that I could understand.

A maid. A man needs a maid.
A maid.

When will I see you again?I was thinking that maybe I'd get a maid
Find a place nearby for her to stay.
Just someone to keep my house clean -
Fix my meals and go away.
A maid - A man needs a maid.

To give a love, you gotta live a love.
To live a love, you gotta be \"part of.\"
When will I see you again?

A while ago somewhere I don't know when
I was watching a movie with a friend.
I fell in love with the actress.
She was playing a part that I could understand -
A maid - A man needs a maid.

When will I see you again?


And what's up with Neil siring all these kids with cerebral palsy?


> Also, subsequent articles on her as time went by showed her to be
> extremely unstable and a drug user, which might explain the need for
> the liver transplant. Supposedly she burned many many bridges. I
> believe there is more than meets the eye with her, although this is
> sad news because she was a rising star that made a downward spiral.
>
> Also, did the "caregiving" ruin her looks? More than likely it was
> the drugs. :-)

Yeah, I wondered about that, which is why I asked elsewhere in the
thread about what her "liver disease" was. Take it to the bank:
whenever you see someone with "liver disease" in deathly need of a
transplant, and especially if that someone is a celeb, odds are
strongly in favor of a serious history of substance abuse.

She spent alot of years with Young. The lifestyle of a rocker doesn't
conjure up visions of evenings spent playing Scrabble, with warm milk
and tollhouse cookies, if you know what I mean.

Zeb Quinn

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Apr 13, 2004, 10:12:33 AM4/13/04
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lin...@comcast.net (Camille) wrote in message news:<c38c1057.04041...@posting.google.com>...

> Carrie S promoted the myth(?) that Neil Young was not a good father


> and provided no help with their handicapped child (cerebral palsy, I
> think). I believed this at one point; howver, Neil Young has one or
> maybe two OTHER children with cerebral palsy and started the Bridge
> School in Northern California for developmentally handicapped
> chidlren. (He always talks about two children with cerebral palsy,
> one maybe the one with Carrie - and both are living with Neil and his
> wife, as I recall.) He is very very committed to raising money for
> handicapped children, which appears to put the lie to Carrie's
> accusations.

It might, but not necessarily. It's nice that he's funded those


things. But being a gazillionaire, he can well afford it, not to
mention the tax benefits. It's what he does with his time and personal
efforts that matter.

And if it's true that A Man Needs A Maid was his little ditty for
Carrie, that doesn't bespeak well of his attitude either,

semi-misogyny that it appears to be. And this is coming from someone

When will I see you again? I was thinking that maybe I'd get a maid

Find a place nearby for her to stay.

Just someone to keep my house clean -
Fix my meals and go away.
A maid - A man needs a maid.

To give a love, you gotta live a love.
To live a love, you gotta be \"part of.\"
When will I see you again?

A while ago somewhere I don't know when
I was watching a movie with a friend.
I fell in love with the actress.
She was playing a part that I could understand -
A maid - A man needs a maid.

When will I see you again?


And what's up with Neil siring all these kids with cerebral palsy?

> Also, subsequent articles on her as time went by showed her to be
> extremely unstable and a drug user, which might explain the need for
> the liver transplant. Supposedly she burned many many bridges. I
> believe there is more than meets the eye with her, although this is
> sad news because she was a rising star that made a downward spiral.
>
> Also, did the "caregiving" ruin her looks? More than likely it was
> the drugs. :-)

Yeah, I wondered about that, which is why I asked elsewhere in the

Richard Barnes

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Apr 13, 2004, 11:43:10 AM4/13/04
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Nicolette's death was the result of a fluid buildup in the brain which
was triggered by liver failure: astoundingly she had no history of
liver trouble prior to the day of her death.

Again I don't wish to trivialize the tragedy of the deaths of Ms
Larson & Ms Snodgress.

nikki

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>>>>The last film I remember her in was "Wild Things" (1997-98?) in
which she played the grandmother of the Neve Campbell character. She
played a quite rough, salty bait shop owner who lived in the
Everglades and was less than glamorous to say the least. I remember
thinking how hard it was to believe that she was the same woman who
was in "Diary of a Mad Housewife" in the early seventies. Whether Neil
Young was the bad guy she portrayed him as or not, she seems to have
had a tragic life.

Briggs

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Apr 14, 2004, 1:12:54 AM4/14/04
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Apparently Neil Young either owns, or is part of a consortium that owns
Lionel Trains. I was told he invested so he could resurrect the brand, and
that his sons' conditions was the reason for his interest. FWIW.


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zuma...@yahoo.com

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In article <42250c74da8e7bf2...@news.teranews.com>, "Briggs"
<brigg...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

According to the Neil Young biography, Shakey, that came out a couple of
years ago, it was Carrie who was the nutty one. She moved onto his ranch,
then moved in most of her dysfunctional family (most of whom Neil didn't
get along with) and created her own little commune with all sorts of
psycho-dramas ensuing. Supposedly, Neil used to go on tour just to get
away from them.

It's an interesting book, although too long and varying levels of
participation by Neil himself. He also requested that his current wife,
Pegi, not be interviewed for the book and she wasn't.

Zuma

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