ALL HAIL DON CHERRY!
CliffB
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Friday, April 4
CBC removes 'inappropriate' video from Web site
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ESPN.com news services
For Don Cherry, apparently not all speech is free.
The Toronto Globe and Mail reported Friday that the Web site for the
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation officially removed a controversial video
clip from Coach's Corner on March 22, when Cherry and host Ron MacLean
squared off in a heated war debate.
Coach's Corner, an in-between-period segment that airs during the CBC's
Hockey Night in Canada broadcast, went from hockey talk to war talk, when
the outspoken Cherry criticized Montreal fans who booed the U.S. anthem
before a game vs. the New York Islanders. Cherry then took a strong pro-war,
pro-American position, while MacLean expressed his anti-war sentiments. A
heated seven-minute argument followed.
During the debate, Cherry apologized on behalf of Canadians, saying that
"years of pride went down the drain" with the Canadiens fans' behavior.
Cherry, who wore a tie embodying U.S. colors, also went at it with MacLean
over the war in Iraq, chiding the Canadian government for its "lack of
support to our American friends."
"I hate to see them go it alone," Cherry said during the broadcast. "These
guys are over there, they're over there giving it all ... we're just riding
their coattails."
MacLean stood firm that it was Canada's right not to go.
"Why attack Iraq if they haven't attacked you?" MacLean said.
The CBC was flooded with more than 1,500 calls and e-mails after the
segment, many of them denouncing Cherry's position. The pair was told by CBC
brass that the discussion wasn't appropriate, but neither was disciplined.
According to the Globe and Mail's report, some CBC staffers were upset over
what they call the network's suppression of information after the network's
online department was told a few days ago to erase the exchange between
MacLean and Cherry.
The CBC provides a web inventory of all the Coach's Corner shows. But now,
one show will be missing.
"The on-line staff were told to take it down," a source close to the network
told the newspaper. "They weren't given a reason."
Said a CBC source, "I thought we were supposed to provide information.
Coach's Corner might have been the wrong forum for Cherry's comments, but
it's still censorship to some extent."
The CBC says otherwise.
"We thought that because Ron and Don are sports commentators and not
political commentators there was no reason to put it anywhere else," CBC
spokesperson Ruth-Ellen Soles told the Globe and Mail.
But the fact that neither MacLean nor Cherry were disciplined for their
exchange seemed to irk others within the news organization.
"If a CBC reporter had gone on the radio, disparaged French Canadians and
then said the CBC was run by the government, he would have been fired or at
least suspended," a CBC employee told the Globe and Mail. "This speaks to
Cherry's power as Hockey Night's cash cow and also the double standard at
the network."
Cherry later spoke about the events in a radio interview on the Jim Rome
Show.
"You have to realize the CBC is government owned," Cherry said on the
program, which is broadcast throughout the United States and Canada. "You
have to say the government was against it (the war) and I'm for it and I'm
on a government program. I really thought this could be the end."
He added that his pro-American stance brings praise from "ordinary"
Canadians but criticism from the media.
"Our media up here is totally left wing," he said. "It's socialist, left
wing, pinko, commies. I got ripped to shreds in the left-wing media. That's
the chance you take. I don't regret it and If I had to I'd do it over again.
"The true Canadians do not feel the way they do in Quebec there," he added.
"Believe me, the majority of the people in Canada love the United States. We
know you'd be there to help us and don't think too bad of us.
"It's just a damn shame (Canadiens fans) had to boo the Star Spangled Banner
in Quebec," Cherry said on the radio program. "You have to realize it's
Quebec and it's French Canadians."
The talk on Coach's Corner turned back to hockey last weekend, and the
exchange hasn't hampered MacLean's views of his TV segment partner.
"That's Grapes. He wears his heart on his sleeve," MacLean told the
newspaper. "In our medium, it's so tricky nowadays to discern what is
sincere. It's the old Dick Schaap line: 'The key to television is sincerity
and once you can fake that, you've got it made.' Don is closer to sincerity
than most of us ever get. That's admirable, and I'd hate to see that shot
down."
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Deborah
It was on the website for quite awhile, before they took it down.
It was interesting to me, to see how differently Cherry and McLean
think, because, when McLean's contract expired, for awhile there it
looked like CBC was not going to renew it. Cherry fought to keep his
partner and in the end CBC renewed his contract.
Why can't it be like that between Canada and the USA? Why can't we
think differently on certain issues and still be friends?
Deborah
Bartack
Deborah wrote:
> It was on the website for quite awhile, before they took it down.
>
> It was interesting to me, to see how differently Cherry and McLean
> think, because, when McLean's contract expired, for awhile there it
> looked like CBC was not going to renew it. Cherry fought to keep his
> partner and in the end CBC renewed his contract.
>
> Why can't it be like that between Canada and the USA? Why can't we
> think differently on certain issues and still be friends?
>
> Deborah
>
> On Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:48:33 GMT, CliffB <fl...@gosympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>So much for free speech in Canada.
>>
Can someone repost the video?
hym3n_h...@salmahayeksknockers.edu
> So much for free speech in Canada.
Although many Canadians mistakenly believe they are protected my American
constitutional guarantees, they are not: There are no legal protections for
free speech in Canada, and in fact, many legal limitations upon it.
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Marc Lostracco
<fl...@gosympatico.ca> wrote:
> Coach's Corner, an in-between-period segment that airs during the CBC's
> Hockey Night in Canada broadcast, went from hockey talk to war talk
Off-topic war talk? Sounds like your average day on AGC!
(And lock me up, mama, 'cause I'm guilty as charged!)
Deborah
hym3n_h0l0cau$7...@salmahayeksknockers.edu wrote:
>CliffB <fl...@gosympatico.ca> wrote:
>> So much for free speech in Canada.
>
>Although many Canadians mistakenly believe they are protected my American
>constitutional guarantees, they are not: There are no legal protections for
>free speech in Canada, and in fact, many legal limitations upon it.
What an absolute moron. We have our own constitution, bozo, and the
Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees us Freedom of Expression,
subject to such limitations as can be demonstrably justified in a free
and democratic society. Thanks to those limitations, we aren't free
to disseminate hate literature such as White Supremacist garbage and
Anti-Semitic garbage. But that's just fine with us.
Deborah
Centre of the Known Universe
"Deborah" <dmc...@dccnet.com> wrote in message
news:e6es8vcjuhglcfqjf...@4ax.com...
It's true, darling - progagation of hatred is not covered under our
charter - which can be a tricky thing by times, but I for one am glad it's
there. Of course taking down an arguement over the war is not the same
thing. I'm not surprised CBC took the video down - I doubt seriously if Don
Cherry's views hold much sway with corporate brass at the best of time. On
the other hand, hearing a CBC employee complain that he should have been
fired, like any reporter, is foolish. Don Cherry is NOT any reporter - he's
a very colourful and high profile personality. He's probably loved and hated
in equal measures. I can't imagine Hockey Night In Canada without him or Ron
MacLean - they're part of a treasured national institution. They wouldn't
dare fire Cherry, just like they didn't dare not pony up the big buck for
MacLean during his contract negotiations last year. The outcry when they
announced they were letting him go rather than pay his fee was enormous. I
don't think it was three days later before they somehow found the extra few
hundred thousand a year he was asking. In any event, I think the whole thing
is another sign how polarized the country is over the issue.
Sending Hugs
{{{{{LCM}}}}}
Centre of the Known Universe
"Meryl" I said - "You're Oscar poison, sweetie -
get out of acting and into sound editing - you'll clean up!"
LCM, mid-cocktail, spring 2003
Deborah
<l...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>It's true, darling - progagation of hatred is not covered under our
>charter
No but our Charter has been further defined by SCC decisions on it's
interpretation. Just like the US Constitution has been further
defined by the SC of the USA.
Other than that I have no quibble with what you wrote : )
Cherry and McLean are an integral part of Hockey Night in Canada : )
Deborah
Joe Gillis
>to disseminate hate literature such as White Supremacist garbage and
>Anti-Semitic garbage.
So you really aren't free at all...
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"I don't mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." -- Samuel Butler
Ambrose Meineke
"Joe Gillis" <cinema...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
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> >Thanks to those limitations, we aren't free
> >to disseminate hate literature such as White Supremacist garbage and
> >Anti-Semitic garbage.
>
literature, or are the laws just meant to protect discriminated against
minorities, like Gays and Lesbians, Jewish people and those of African or
1st Nations ancestry? Just interested as a curious outsider. I've always
been fascinated by censorship since I read a book about Boris Pasternak and
how he felt Soviet censorship had made him a better writer.
Ambrose
Joe Gillis
>"Joe Gillis" <cinema...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
>news:20030405025040...@mb-fb.aol.com...
>> >Thanks to those limitations, we aren't free
>> >to disseminate hate literature such as White Supremacist garbage and
>> >Anti-Semitic garbage.
>>
I didn't write this. I wrote something in response to it which you left out.
>>Do Canada's hate speech laws cover anti-White and anti-Xian speach and
>literature, or are the laws just meant to protect discriminated against
>minorities, like Gays and Lesbians, Jewish people and those of African or
>1st Nations ancestry? Just interested as a curious outsider. I've always
>been fascinated by censorship since I read a book about Boris Pasternak and
>how he felt Soviet censorship had made him a better writer.
> Ambrose
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parismom
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Damson Rhee
NHL teams, Philadelphia, if I recall, when they were also known as the Broad
Street Bullies, for the way they played. He has a schtick this with Rob
MacLean on Hockey Night In Canada, Coaches Corner, during intermission.
Lots of back and forth banter, with him usually taking the agressive macho
side.
You think maybe CBC might possibly have taken the video clip off because it
wasn't about hockey? It is coaches corner, about hockey. What are the
odds?
D
"parismom" <parism...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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George Miller
cinema...@aol.comedy (Joe Gillis) wrote:
> >Thanks to those limitations, we aren't free
> >to disseminate hate literature such as White Supremacist garbage and
> >Anti-Semitic garbage.
>
> So you really aren't free at all...
>
That's right. Just like the USA.
CliffB
dmc...@dccnet.com wrote on 4/4/03 11:54 PM:
and Cherry plays a mean pocket trumpet too!
;�
CliffB
parism...@verizon.net wrote on 4/5/03 9:40 AM:
> should have put a little "smiley" at the end of my question...:-)
>
> parismom wrote:
>>
>> who the *heck* is don cherry?
>>
>> thanks.
I only knew of a Don Cherry the trumpet player (used to play with Ornette
Coleman) until I lived up in Canada for awhile. This Don Cherry is a real
institution up there on Hockey broadcasts. A tough, spirited soul, even a
little pugnacious perhaps (?), he always struck me as representing the rock
solid and proud Canadian character. I never really knew his politics,
although it was safe to assume he wasn't burning any Canadian or American
flags. It stands to figure that he would be seeing this conflict clearly and
without any namby=pamby catering to French and Muslimist hurt feelings.
Here's some background:
No. 86: DON CHERRY
With the Bruins, Cherry was on top
By Barbara Matson, Globe Staff, 10/07/99
ow is it that a career minor leaguer from Kingston, Ontario, can end up No.
86 on the Globe's list of the top 100 New England sports figures of the
century?
DON CHERRY
Two Stanley Cup trips with Bruins
pic
http://www.boston.com/sports/top100/players/86.htm
YOU WIMP, HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT? WHAT ARE YOU, SWEDISH?
Don Cherry earned a special place in the hearts of Boston Bruins players and
fans when he coached the team for five years in the mid-to-late '70s.
Cherry's team won four consecutive Adams Division titles, went to the
Stanley Cup finals twice and semifinals two more times as Cherry racked up a
record of 231-105-64, 55-31-24 in the playoffs. The Bruins' last trip to the
semifinals with Cherry was in 1979, when they lost to the Canadiens in
overtime in the seventh game after drawing a penalty for too many men on the
ice late in the game, and Guy Lafleur scored to tie the score.
As famous for his mouth as he was for his fancy wardrobe, Cherry pushed the
Bruins to excel through the force of his flamboyant personality. The players
liked him, the fans loved him, and Cherry blossomed. He'd say anything about
anyone, once claiming the Bruins would send Black Hawk Stan Mikita ''back to
Czechoslovakia in a pine box.''
As a player, Cherry spent 16 years working hard in the minor leagues, a
stay-at-home defenseman who didn't mind fighting. He only made one
appearance in the NHL, in a playoff game for the Bruins in 1955.
But he earned four minor league championships in his last five years as a
player. His coaching career began in Rochester of the American Hockey League
in 1969, when the coach resigned mid-season and Cherry was named to replace
him. After two seasons as AHL Coach of the Year, he was named coach of the
Bruins in June 1974. The Bobby Orr Bruins.
But that high-scoring, freewheeling team lost in the first round of the
playoffs, and Cherry remade the Bruins into the work crew that he took to
the Cup finals in 1977 and 1978.
After a bitter public feud with general manager Harry Sinden, he left the
team in June 1979. He became coach of Colorado but was fired a year later
when Rockies ownership was unable to deal with his outspokenness.
Television was the obvious answer.
Cherry resurfaced in the Coaches' Corner on Hockey Night in Canada
broadcasts, a 4 1/2-minute opportunity to spout off between periods. Over
the last 20 years, Cherry has pummelled his audience with his opinions the
same way he once pummelled opponents. He has had two favorite themes: Keep
fighting in the game and keep Europeans out. Cherry is a hockey
traditionalist with a big mouth. He soon became one of the most popular men
in all of Canada.
In his days with the Bruins, Cherry had a bull terrier, Blue (another pic,
nice jacket!: http://www.doncherrys.com/images/Don%20&%20Blue.jpg ), with
the same pugnacious personality Cherry cultivated in his players. Cherry
once told a reporter, ''Hey, I remember one time [Blue] bit a hockey stick
in two, right in front of [Mike] Milbury, and he said, `Boy, that's one
tough dog,' and I said, `Damn right, and that's the kind of team I want!'
There was a bit of truth in that, wasn't there?''
Cherry, 65, remains with Hockey Night in Canada, and two years ago he bought
a junior team in Mississaugua, Ontario: the Ice Dogs.
This story ran on page F03 of the Boston Globe on 10/07/99.
Marc Lostracco
"Joe Gillis" <cinema...@aol.comedy> wrote:
>> Thanks to those limitations, we aren't free to disseminate hate literature
>> such as White Supremacist garbage and Anti-Semitic garbage.
>
> So you really aren't free at all...
Well, Canada has pretty clear anti-hate laws, even though we tend to censor
much less media/movies/TV than the U.S. does. We don't technically have
"freedom of speech," but rather laws that permit freedom of speech until it
interferes with the freedom of others (for example, promoting white
supremacism).
hym3n_h...@salmahayeksknockers.edu
> What an absolute moron. We have our own constitution,
This does not change the fact that many weaned on American TV believe that
American constitutional guarantees apply to us.
> bozo,
Play nice now.
> and the
> Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees us Freedom of Expression,
> subject to such limitations as can be demonstrably justified in a free
> and democratic society.
Freedom of speech comes in one size only: Absolute. As soon as you start
to put limitations and parameters on it, it ceases to be freedom of speech.
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