"Bullseye," say Egyptians as they celebrate anti-US attacks
Billie
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CAIRO, Sept 11 (AFP) -
Egyptian students, taxi drivers and shopkeepers crowded round television sets
stacked up in electrical store windows in downtown Cairo Tuesday evening,
celebrating a string of elaborate attacks on New York and Washington.
"Bullseye," commented two taxi drivers as they watched footage of the twin
towers of the World Trade Center in New York shrouded in plumes of smoke after
two presumably hijacked planes slammed into them earlier in the day.
Another Egyptian man, Gawish Abdel Karim, told AFP he was pleased with the wave
of violence in which another plane crashed into the Pentagon in Washington, the
heart of the US defence establishment.
"Nice work," said Abdel Karim, who drives a car for an Asian embassy.
"The Americans have forgotten that God exists. They have us by the throat and
now they find themselves in a science fiction film scenario, but this time
Rambo's not there to save the White House."
Anti-US sentiment has mushroomed on the streets of Egypt and other Arab
countries over its widely-perceived support for Israel over the Palestinians in
the past 11 months of violence in the Middle East.
As with other US facilities around the world, workers at US government offices
and Egyptian citizens were taking security precautions, with only
"non-essential" operations set to be covered on Wednesday.
However, US officials said there had been no credible or specific threat
against US citizens or interests here.
Abdel Karim hailed the attacks as "the best thing that's happened since the
October War," referring to the October 1973 Arab-Israeli war when Egyptian
forces made a surprise attack on the Israeli army across the Suez Canal.
"Mabruk! Mabruk! (congratulations)", shouted a crowd of people huddled round
the shop window.
Egypt, considered one of the "moderate" countries in the Middle East, is one of
the United States' strongest allies in the region, being the first Arab country
to sign a peace treaty with Israel in 1979.
But people on the streets do not necessarily see themselves as US allies.
"The Americans are cowards. They use other countries to hit us. They don't have
the courage to meet us face to face," said Khalil Matar, 43, who works in a
state-run soap factory. "The myth of the indestructible United States has gone
up in smoke."
Polytechnic student Amira Ryad also vented her anger.
"We saw the tower crash down," she said, referring to one of the two towers of
the World Trade Center, both of which were razed by the attack.
"I only wish (US President) George Bush and his dear little baby (Israeli Prime
Minister Ariel) Sharon had been buried in there too," she added.
Fellow student Murad went as far as speculating that the United States was
behind the attacks, "to find an excuse for the National Missile Defence system"
that Bush wants to deploy to protect the United States from so-called rogue
states, despite widespread global opposition.
"Those people are capable of killing their own people to prove they're right,"
he said.
Egyptian President Hosni "Mubarak should know that the people can no longer be
humiliated, but of course he'll never declare war" on Israel, the student said.
Another taxi driver said he was going to make special prayers to thank him for
the attacks against the US.
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Bird Lady
Thanks for the story, billie. I'm just trying to hold it
together when I hear these reactions to our "wonderful" efforts
at diplomacy. Seems like we've made a lot of enemies.
bel
In article <20010911191356...@mb-fd.aol.com>,
pusss...@aol.com says...
Husky
wrote:
>Thanks for the story, billie. I'm just trying to hold it
>together when I hear these reactions to our "wonderful" efforts
>at diplomacy. Seems like we've made a lot of enemies.
I would think the only term that fits is you can't please everyone.
Especially if someone wants war and the other doesn't..
I have a real hard time mustering support for a people (Taliban) that
have made smiling or enjoyment a crime punishable by whipping or
worse.
We're talking about 2 people that can't even live in the same city
with each other.
Bird Lady
kee...@yahoo.com says...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:37:24 GMT, Bird Lady <avian...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the story, billie. I'm just trying to hold it
> >together when I hear these reactions to our "wonderful" efforts
> >at diplomacy. Seems like we've made a lot of enemies.
>
> I would think the only term that fits is you can't please everyone.
>
> Especially if someone wants war and the other doesn't..
>
> I have a real hard time mustering support for a people (Taliban) that
> have made smiling or enjoyment a crime punishable by whipping or
> worse.
Nor do I, but the Taliban isn't operating out of Egypt. It's in
Afghanistan. Egypt is supposed to be our ally, so where did we
go wrong? We give them huge amounts of aid every year, but it
must take more, like involvement, like good diplomacy, like
putting a face on the US so we're a little harder to demonize.
bel
Sara
Bird Lady wrote:
> In article <cm8tptcl4v6ffi3fm...@4ax.com>,
> kee...@yahoo.com says...
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:37:24 GMT, Bird Lady <avian...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks for the story, billie. I'm just trying to hold it
> > >together when I hear these reactions to our "wonderful" efforts
> > >at diplomacy. Seems like we've made a lot of enemies.
> >
> > I would think the only term that fits is you can't please everyone.
> >
> > Especially if someone wants war and the other doesn't..
> >
> > I have a real hard time mustering support for a people (Taliban) that
> > have made smiling or enjoyment a crime punishable by whipping or
> > worse.
>
> Nor do I, but the Taliban isn't operating out of Egypt. It's in
> Afghanistan. Egypt is supposed to be our ally, so where did we
> go wrong? We give them huge amounts of aid every year, but it
> must take more, like involvement, like good diplomacy, like
> putting a face on the US so we're a little harder to demonize.
The word from the leadership of Egypt is that they are our allies, but when
the people in the streets are interviewed, turns out they hate our guts. I
think the religious fundamentalists really despise the US and it doesn't
matter to them what their leaders say. Remember Sadat? He was a great
leader, but was assassinated by his own people because of his overtures of
friendship--among other things. It's strange that the people who are most
religious often exhibit the most hate.
jamiekate
let immigrants in.we cry and protest over how women and childern are treated , we
give money.yet they hate us..why even try?
jami
Bird Lady
lew...@mindspring.com says...
> i just dont get it...we bend over backwards for other countries..people protest to
> let immigrants in.we cry and protest over how women and childern are treated , we
> give money.yet they hate us..why even try?
>
> jami
I think much of the time it's how we enforce our policies on
these countries. Unfortunately, we give countries like Israel
carte blanche to do as they please with our money, and then keep
others on a tight leash. We sell China whatever they want
(including weapons that they then sell to the Middle East), and
embargo Cuba. Many other countries don't like this influence
peddling even if their leaders are accepting our cash, and it
makes us very easy to demonize.
One thing that Clinton did (and I'm not his biggest fan) was to
keep himself, his diplomats, and his cabinet moving all over the
world negotiating. It's very hard to convince your man on the
street that a country is evil if its president and his emissaries
are constantly visiting, talking to your TV hosts and hugging
your kids.
bel
Bird Lady
sfran...@mindspring.com says...
Yes indeed! But we've known about this extremism for eons, and
only dealt with it in 2 ways. Beat them up or throw money at
them.
In fact, much of the economic strife in Afghanistan can be
pinpointed to the time when we pulled all our support after the
Russians left. We were handing out fortunes to tribal leaders to
keep up the fighting, and when we left, the Afghanis transferred
all that Russian hate onto us. The following crisis left a hole
just right for the Taliban and bin Laden (a rich man who wouldn't
abandon them or the cause.)
Really, you'd think we'd be a bit more savvy.
Word is now that the reported missles in Afghanistan is from the
Northern Front. Sounds like there might be some resistance to bin
Laden after all, that he's trying to squelch.
bel
bel
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>
>
gorj...@webtv.net
Thanks for the story, billie. I'm just trying to hold it together when I
hear these reactions to our "wonderful" efforts at diplomacy. Seems like
we've made a lot of enemies.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes, it makes a lot of sense to blame Americans for the great happiness
that OUR
horrendous tragedy caused many people.
Funny reaction for them to have as they sure
do love AMERICAN tourists, now don't they?
Gorjeous
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
nikky
they do, these thing will continue to happen.
"jamiekate" <lew...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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jamiekate
to be so nice and bending over for them to butt fudge us. i have always wanted
and supported a strong and big millitary..i know others dont but i do.
jamie
Bird Lady
lew...@mindspring.com says...
Shouldn't that depend on what the military is doing?
I mean, would you like to continue paying their long list of
consultants who don't do much? I'd like to see a lot more go to
military personal.
bel
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>
>
>
Bird Lady
<b5Cn7.4141$%q7.166...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
nikkyf...@yahoo.com says...
> The problem is that they do not fear us--they see us as weak, and as long as
> they do, these thing will continue to happen.
If they didn't fear us, much more of this horrible shit would be
happening. Every fanatic would be at us in some way.
The propaganda of many of the anti-US groups is to describe us as
weak. It's more muscle flexing on their part, and an attempt to
invigorate the followers. Don't you imagine that they fear the
giant they want to destroy?
bel
Lind...@webtv.net
a much needed relief on such a horrendous day.
One of Egypt's "finest" opined:
>"They don't have the courage to meet us
> face to face," said Khalil Matar, 43, who
> works in a state-run soap factory.
Geez, you'd think citizenry that HAS a "state-run soap factory" would
use a little more of it.....
Gallows humor, y'all, gallows humor...
Nan Scott
missles on the capital of every muslim country from Turkey to Mauritania as
well as Mecca and Medina. The Saudis, who finance Bin Laden should be
quietly told that if they don't want Mecca to be renamed Cohen, oil will
flow at the maximum it can for about $5.00 a barrel so that they can
demonstrate their "genuine" sorrow for the deaths of decent people.
Afganistan and the Sudan should cease to exist except as nuclear wastelands.
The culture that creates these filthy evil monsters should be erradicated in
the same way that we erradicated the Nazis- they are much worse.
nikky wrote in message ...
GiantandBlue
>>One of Egypt's "finest" opined:
>>"They don't have the courage to meet us
>> face to face,"
Oh, and _they_ do?
Disgusting.
DexxJones
let thier God sort it out.
The first bomb should hit that village where the kids were dancing in the
streets. let the world know that America will not tolerate it.
They like the idea of fear? We should show them true fear as we
systematicaly bomb each and everyone of those terrorist countries to thier
promised land.
dont talk to me about peace keeping and dont talk to me about diplomacy. i
work in downtown manhattan and i was there.
The time for peace it over. its time to kick some ass...
"jamiekate" <lew...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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jamiekate
guys are underpaid and under appreciated.
jamiekate
innocent.
jamie
>
Bird Lady
says...
> i want more soldiers...not high ups who sit on their butts and rule. i think our
> guys are underpaid and under appreciated.
Me too! And offer some competitive salaries so we can keep the
intelligent and skilled soldiers, seamen, and fliers.
bel
JLasz
and thanks for your scintillating commentary on the state of the military - my
god, you are the most intelligent person possibly on usenet...
waiting impatiently for your next missive...
jlasz
"Liberal Democrats seem to be guided
by a worldview that sees man as perfectible and government as the
primary change-agent. They rarely confront a problem for which they
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Bill Diamond
alt.gossip.celebrities back on Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:37:24 GMT that ...
>
>
>Thanks for the story, billie. I'm just trying to hold it
>together when I hear these reactions to our "wonderful" efforts
>at diplomacy. Seems like we've made a lot of enemies.
>
>bel
>
>
As hard as it is - don't assume that everyone shares these sentiments.
Egypt's having an incredibly difficult time internally as well.
Remember when army officers assassinated Anwar Sadat? The egyptian
army isn't considered reliably by it's own government, and the
government has been held hostage by the Islamic Brotherhood. IB is
yet another extremist organization that has tried to impose Shari'a on
Egypt.
Recently, a married couple had to leave Egypt or be put in prison.
Their crime? One of them isn't Muslim. That's how far things have
gone in Egypt.
Groups like IB are able to pull in the poor who don't understand their
lives suck because they can't manage a competitive economy when it's
run by a bunch of clerics. You can't achieve a stable, pluralistic
and democratic government when religious leaders hijack the
government.
Imagine how blind you could be as well if you sat in church and
everyday heard the same message about how it's all some foreign
government's fault that you're poor and downtrodden.
That's what's been happening in Egypt for twenty five years now.
Bill
"You never know what is enough unless you
know what is more than enough." --William Blake
Bill Diamond
>In article <cm8tptcl4v6ffi3fm...@4ax.com>,
>kee...@yahoo.com says...
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:37:24 GMT, Bird Lady <avian...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks for the story, billie. I'm just trying to hold it
>> >together when I hear these reactions to our "wonderful" efforts
>> >at diplomacy. Seems like we've made a lot of enemies.
>>
>> I would think the only term that fits is you can't please everyone.
>>
>> Especially if someone wants war and the other doesn't..
>>
>> I have a real hard time mustering support for a people (Taliban) that
>> have made smiling or enjoyment a crime punishable by whipping or
>> worse.
>
>
>Nor do I, but the Taliban isn't operating out of Egypt. It's in
>Afghanistan. Egypt is supposed to be our ally, so where did we
>go wrong? We give them huge amounts of aid every year, but it
>must take more, like involvement, like good diplomacy, like
>putting a face on the US so we're a little harder to demonize.
>
Taliban has "representatives" throughout the Islamic world, and Bin
Laden's organization has training camps in many of the less moderate
islamic nations.
Money doesn't buy happiness, and it doesn't buy reliable allies.
Bird Lady
bi...@nospambilldiamond.com says...
Well put, and I know we can't determine another culture. Egypt
is pretty bad, but I have some (misplaced?)faith that there are
enough Egyptian emigrants to other countries getting educated to
counteract the religious zealotry. It's also has a MASSIVE
population, compared to other Arab nations. That means there's a
greater chance for dissent, if only covert, and less chance of
corralling all the necessary factions.
bel
Bird Lady
bi...@nospambilldiamond.com says...
> Good old Bird Lady <avian...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities back on Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:33:11 GMT that ...
> >In article <cm8tptcl4v6ffi3fm...@4ax.com>,
> >kee...@yahoo.com says...
> >> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:37:24 GMT, Bird Lady <avian...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Thanks for the story, billie. I'm just trying to hold it
> >> >together when I hear these reactions to our "wonderful" efforts
> >> >at diplomacy. Seems like we've made a lot of enemies.
> >>
> >> I would think the only term that fits is you can't please everyone.
> >>
> >> Especially if someone wants war and the other doesn't..
> >>
> >> I have a real hard time mustering support for a people (Taliban) that
> >> have made smiling or enjoyment a crime punishable by whipping or
> >> worse.
> >
> >
> >Nor do I, but the Taliban isn't operating out of Egypt. It's in
> >Afghanistan. Egypt is supposed to be our ally, so where did we
> >go wrong? We give them huge amounts of aid every year, but it
> >must take more, like involvement, like good diplomacy, like
> >putting a face on the US so we're a little harder to demonize.
> >
>
> Taliban has "representatives" throughout the Islamic world, and Bin
> Laden's organization has training camps in many of the less moderate
> islamic nations.
I'm still not convinced these are full fledged military camps
with influence, or just a kind of meeting for supporters out of
Afghanistan. Now I'm becoming aware of bin Laden's network, but
I'm not sure that every camp is a terrorist cell.
I know that in Iran they've had some issues with Taliban
meetings, but I think it's brand of Islam has deeply offended the
Ayatollah.
bel
jamiekate
jamie