Charles/Anne Lindbergh question
Baby Strange
LBinStL <jfb...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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> I realize that these two are celebrities of the past, but there are many
of
> you posters who constantly amaze me by your knowledge of celebrities from
> years gone by. So, I put my questions to any of you who have information
> about this:
>
> We recently returned from a trip to Maui. One of our drives was to visit
> the grave of Charles Lindbergh. Anne Lindbergh died a few weeks before
our
> trip and I mentioned to someone that we would be able to see the burial
> places of both Charles and Anne in Maui. My friend told me that she had
> heard that Anne Lindbergh had decided not to be buried next to her
husband -
> she had chosen somewhere in New England for her burial.
>
> I am not a Lindbergh scholar, but I am aware that Anne and Charles had a
> difficult and, at times, tumultuous marriage. I also know that Charles
> himself was the one to specifically pick the exact place for his grave on
> Maui. From what I understand, it was Charles who decided to live the last
> part of his life in this remote section of Maui.
>
> However, I was still surprised that Anne decided not to be buried next to
> her husband. Indeed, when we visited the tiny cemetery of the little wood
> church on Maui, the Lone Eagle was still very much alone. Anne was not
> buried next to him. Does anyone know if there was a specific reason that
> Anne chose a burial spot for herself away from Charles? My husband does
not
> feel the same way I do about this - he does not think it is that unusual
for
> her to have chosen to be buried somewhere else. But, it just seems very
odd
> to me for her not to be next to him. Any insights or comments?
>
Anne Morrow and Charles Lindbergh weren't exactly the most compatible couple
you could hope to find. He, and his celebrity, dominated their marriage,
and I think he failed to understand her very well. She was an
introspective, contemplative sort, and though she went along with him on his
travels and did what she could to be the "good wife," I don't think she was
very comfortable with being in the public eye.
Charles was the one who made the decision to live in Maui, and he was the
one who decided that he wanted to be buried there. I'm not at all surprised
that Anne chose not to be buried next to her husband--after all, Charles
Lindbergh's grave gets plenty of visitors, and to be buried there would have
kept Anne in the public "Mrs. Lindbergh" role in death that was so often
uncomfortable for her in life. She ultimately decided for herself where she
wanted to be buried, in a place that had *private* meaning for her, near the
places and people she loved--rather than half a world away, in a place that
was not of her choosing, in order to fulfill her *public* role as the hero's
wife. From what I know of Anne Morrow Lindbergh, that's my best guess,
anyway.
The Living Personification of Evil
>difficult and, at times, tumultuous marriage. I also know that Charles
>himself was the one to specifically pick the exact place for his grave on
>Maui. From what I understand, it was Charles who decided to live the last
>part of his life in this remote section of Maui.
>
>However, I was still surprised that Anne decided not to be buried next to
>her husband. Indeed, when we visited the tiny cemetery of the little wood
>church on Maui, the Lone Eagle was still very much alone. Anne was not
>buried next to him. Does anyone know if there was a specific reason that
>Anne chose a burial spot for herself away from Charles? My husband does not
>feel the same way I do about this - he does not think it is that unusual for
>her to have chosen to be buried somewhere else. But, it just seems very odd
>to me for her not to be next to him. Any insights or comments?
I don't know for sure why, but I do know at least one of her kids lives in New
England.
Also...reading her books/memoirs I've always believed that she and Lindburgh
had a very sort of formal Victorian type marriage. To be honest, reading about
how he behaved when their first child was kidnapped gave me the creeps. He
shouted at her when she would start to cry. I think he was a very difficult
person, really.
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Baran: He seemed publicly quite affable towards the end, though.
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LBinStL
stayed
> in Kaanapali Beach.
Charles Lindbergh is buried in the cemetery of the Palapala Hoomau church on
Maui. It is located about 10 miles past the town of Hana. The "Road to
Hana" is a famous drive on Maui. It is about 55 miles one way and has
something like 130 hair pin turns and 75 one lane bridges. After the town
of Hana, you keep going on the same ocean side road. The road goes from
being 2 lanes, to being more like "1 1/2" lanes. But, we went early in the
morning and encountered very little traffic going from Hana to the church.
The church is only marked by a small wood sign. There is no sign on the
road or anywhere indicating that Lindbergh is buried there at all. We were
only driving about 15 miles per hour and passed the sign in an instant. We
backed up and took a one car wide lane for 1/2 mile or so to get to the
church.
It is a very small wooden church, now quite weathered by the sea. It was
built in 1854. There are only 8 pews inside. You walk around back and
between the church and the sea shore is Charles Lindbergh's grave. It is
rather large - maybe 10 x 12 feet. It is totally flat and it covered with
river stones. There is a plain flat concrete tombstone that says "Charles
A Lindbergh - born Michigan 1902 died Maui 1974. It is engraved with his
own words "If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost
parts of the sea..."
It really is a remote, beautiful spot. I enjoyed the drive from Hana to the
grave site more than the actual drive to Hana. Lindbergh died in the house
he lived in on Maui which was just a few miles from this church. I read
that when he died, the people who worked for Anne and Charles, did as
Charles requested and dressed Charles in his favorite work shirt and pants.
He was put in his coffin and placed immediately in the back of a pick up
truck and taken to the church. There were only 14 people at the church for
his funeral. I have read that the house they lived in is now in a state of
disrepair and there is a fund trying to salvage and restore it.
The church and grave are located on a point of land and I understand that
pilots used to (maybe still) would dip the wing of their plane in tribute to
Lindbergh's grave when flying over the spot.
Ron Turner
I had the impression they were pretty much married in name only towards the
end. She did her thing, he did his, never really together much. Their
marriage went way downhill after the baby's kidnapping and death. He built his
little monument, famous to the end, and she went off to live happily in
obscurity.
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DASBABY932
>>Also...reading her books/memoirs I've always believed that she and Lindburgh
had a very sort of formal Victorian type marriage. To be honest, reading about
how he behaved when their first child was kidnapped gave me the creeps. He
shouted at her when she would start to cry. I think he was a very difficult
person, really.<<
Yeah, but I think there's more to it. I think he was an ass personally, but he
also liberated her from her refined, good girl destiny. I think the
relationship was more than formal - maybe they didn't communicate well but I
think they were hot for each other. I don't think she'd have put on a flight
suit and been his navigator while seven months pregnant unless she wanted it.
In one of her early books her big rebellion is she wants to go to, I think,
Vassar, instead of Smith (or vice versa - a different 7 Sister than the one
laid out for her) and she feels quite rebellious and daring and wanting to
justify her wish without putting down her chosen school - and she ends up going
to the school originally set for her, not her little act of independence. I
think marrying him took her into another self, so in that way they were
compatibile. OTOH he was an emotional cripple, so that pretty much stinks.
One of the stories about the kidnapping is that her disturbed sister Elizabeth
did it (the one who later killed herself). Elizabeth was, the theory goes,
horribly jealous of Anne and Charles and acted out against the baby.
Lindbergh staged the kidnapping, disposed of the body and helped send an
innocent condemned man to death all to protect his family image. As I recall
this story, it's not known if the police were in on this; probably not. It's
speculated Anne may not have known. The story arises from the many
inconsistencies and puzzlements surrounding the kidnapping and also from a
widely believed assessment of Lindbergh's emotional nature.
The Living Personification of Evil
>Elizabeth
>did it (the one who later killed herself). Elizabeth was, the theory goes,
>horribly jealous of Anne and Charles and acted out against the baby.
>Lindbergh staged the kidnapping, disposed of the body and helped send an
>innocent condemned man to death all to protect his family image. As I recall
>this story, it's not known if the police were in on this; probably not. It's
>speculated Anne may not have known. The story arises from the many
>inconsistencies and puzzlements surrounding the kidnapping and also from a
>widely believed assessment of Lindbergh's emotional nature.
If she did do it and Lindbergh found out I doubt he'd ever have told Anne. He
seemed to me to be very good at compartmentalizing. Of course there's the
other story that the baby was somehow impaired and Lindbergh himself arranged
the kidnapping so as to institutionalize him without Anne's knowledge.
I just developed the opinion that she was more of a fan of his at first and
went along with most of his plans and ideas. As she got older, I think, that
changed.
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Baran: I'd have kicked him at least twice and told him not to tell me what to
do. :)
DASBABY932
>>I just developed the opinion that she was more of a fan of his at first and
went along with most of his plans and ideas. As she got older, I think, that
changed.<<
The reason this theory doesn't work as well for me as the "he took her into
another self" theory is because her family was more prominant than his. She
knew the Hardings (the First Family) while he was in office. Her father was an
ambassador. She'd met many famous, celebrated types. Hosting Lindbergh was not
the gaga moment for her or her family it might be for someone else. One of her
comments in her first book was how his family put the dishes on the table and
helped themselves instead of having them served. She just said this as an
observation, without snobbery. It was different to her. I don't think he was
the golden hero to her so much as someone who didn't fit the mold that everyone
who surrounded her fit into, and nor was he interested in doing so. He was on
his own path, a very individual path, very adventurous, independente. That,
IMO, was the allure. He was the only one who came into her orbit who was like
that - he wasn't an academic, a politician, a businessman. He wasn't
conventional at all, in her view. The whole independent solo flying thing
was, IMO, the key, not his heroics. They flew to many then-remote places and
charted some uncharted, previously unnavigated air space (if that's how you put
it), circled down around a volcano, etc. etc., and I think all of that was what
drew her in. She was definitely part of her upbringing, environment but also
wanted to free up another part of her, and he was the instrument.
DASBABY932
>>I had the impression they were pretty much married in name only towards the
end. She did her thing, he did his, never really together much. Their
marriage went way downhill after the baby's kidnapping and death.<<
how could that be? She kept reproducing like a rabbit. My impression, between
the lines, were that they were totally different creatures emotionally but also
had a huge amount of chemistry.
Ron Turner
>end. She did her thing, he did his, never really together much. Their
>marriage went way downhill after the baby's kidnapping and death.<<
>
>how could that be? She kept reproducing like a rabbit.
But that was in the beginning. Toward's the end of their marriage they were
barely together, if even that.
My impression, between the lines, were that they were totally different
creatures emotionally but also had a huge amount of chemistry.
Even better.
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Ron Turner wrote:
Also, there is sufficient evidence that Anne Morrow Lindbergh was bewildered by
Charles' passive/aggressive feelings for fascism. That was certainly embarrassing.
The ecological interests that they shared in the '50s to the '70s did bring them
closer, it seems.
J
Ron Turner
>by Charles' passive/aggressive feelings for fascism. That was certainly
>embarrassing.
I thought she was even worse? Didn't she write an entire book that really
screwed her over. Got all bitter because it heavily damaged her writing
career......and jealous because her amateur husband was able to bounce back
with a popular book of his own.
>The ecological interests that they shared in the '50s to the '70s did bring
>them closer, it seems.
It definitely helped. Although there was a rumor very late in his life Charles
Lindbergh liked screwing the native girls he visited and that didn't help.
LuvSuni
>screwed her over.
Is it "chasing the unicorn?" (or some similar title) I read some of it out of
an excerpt from an old Reader's Digest my dad had laying around a few years
ago.
Suni (AKA Suni Spice, keeper of Danny Elfman and knower of stupid trivia)
3 months to go before graduating. University of Iowa class of 2001.