Why CSI: Miami dumped Kim Delaney
Billie
Like two rival siblings, sources say CSI: Miami stars David Caruso and Kim
Delaney constantly bickered while making the smash-hit CBS series. The
bickering can stop. Delaney was canned after just 10 episodes – and she
blames it on her fellow NYPD Blue alum.
"Kim thinks David went to the producers and had them choose between them," a
Confidential source close to Delaney says. "David obviously is the one the
producers are sticking with."
With about 20 million people tuning in each week, what could there be to bicker
about? Think of this set as a high school for rich grown-ups where infighting
is as common as bad grades.
The source says Delaney, 40, who plays DNA specialist Megan Donner, objected to
her dwindling camera time and blamed it on Caruso's unwillingness to share
credit for the show's success.
Does Caruso have that kind of pull?
You betcha. On the set, a production snitch adds, it's well-known that Caruso,
46, can get any actor's lines cut or changed.
"He tells everyone that (CBS President) Les Moonves loves him," the L.A. set
snitch says. "That gets your attention."
Delaney's relationship with Caruso – they've known each other since the early
'90s – was poisoned even further when Delaney, two sources report, started
opposing Caruso's attempts to move filming permanently to Miami next season.
Delaney lives and raises a 13-year-old son in Malibu and has no desire to move.
Caruso, who plays hard-boiled forensic investigator Horatio Caine, has a condo
on Miami Beach and can't wait to high-tail it to the tropics.
Money also became an issue. The Delaney source tells me, Caruso hit the roof
when he heard that Delaney was making $75,000 an episode – close to what, I'm
told, Caruso makes.
"That didn't sit too well with him," Delaney's friend says. "He thinks he's the
big star and no one else should be paid nearly as well as him."
CBS mouthpiece Chris Ender defended the red-headed thesp.
"David Caruso had nothing to do with this," Ender says of Delaney's last
episode, airing Nov. 25. "This was a creative decision."
Delaney, however, may have hurt herself, too. Someone who worked day to day
with the cast says Delaney's performance often was pale in comparison to her
breakthrough role as alcoholic detective Diane Russell on NYPD Blue.
"Her head wasn't in it," that source says.
Meanwhile, several friends of the actress are worried that the setback will
send her life into a tailspin again.
"After Kim's last show, Philly, bombed, she was so happy to get on CSI: Miami,"
a former lover of hers says.
Allegations of boozing have dogged Delaney recently. Earlier this year, she
pleaded no contest to reckless driving after cops arrested her on suspicion of
driving drunk. She was never charged with DUI.
As for Caruso, he made one of TV history's biggest blunders by leaving the hot
NYPD Blue after just a season and a half to fail miserably in the movies.
"This may be his last chance," a TV insider says.
"But he's letting this new success get to his head and that's what happened the
last time."
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CliffB
pusss...@aol.com wrote on 11/15/02 11:24 AM:
>
> Does Caruso have that kind of pull?
>
> You betcha. On the set, a production snitch adds, it's well-known that Caruso,
> 46, can get any actor's lines cut or changed.
>
> "He tells everyone that (CBS President) Les Moonves loves him," the L.A. set
> snitch says. "That gets your attention."
>
>
Future seedy blind item in the making?
Which washed out near-albino prime time re-tread boasts of his gravitational
influence on certain lunar execs? He is open to probes so long as he is the
featured center of attention. He's also not averse to getting blue, now that
he's been taken down a peg from his silver screen aspirations.
ERoza84184
>From: pusss...@aol.com (Billie )
>Date: 11/15/2002 11:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20021115112426...@mb-fi.aol.com>
>
>STAR MAGAZINE/JOSE LAMBERT
>
>Like two rival siblings, sources say CSI: Miami stars David Caruso and Kim
>Delaney constantly bickered while making the smash-hit CBS series. The
>bickering can stop. Delaney was canned after just 10 episodes – and she
>blames it on her fellow NYPD Blue alum.
Can someone explain the hubbub over David Caruso? I don't think he's that very
attractive, his acting is okay but nothing spectacular and from a few items, he
seems like he can be a real a-hole.
(Perhaps in wanting to get rid of one of the actors on CSI: Miami, it was the
producers' choice of the lesser of two evils.)
SteaHoover
Stupid broad didn't know how good she had it on NYPD Blue!
TawnyNY
>
>Stupid broad didn't know how good she had it on NYPD Blue!
>
I like Kim Delaney, she'll always be Jenny to me. Like I said before, I didn't
even realize that Philly was canceled till I heard she was on CSI. I liked
that show and the chemistry she had with that hot judge.
Anita
> >Subject: Why CSI: Miami dumped Kim Delaney
> >From: pusss...@aol.com (Billie )
> >Date: 11/15/2002 11:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <20021115112426...@mb-fi.aol.com>
> >
> >STAR MAGAZINE/JOSE LAMBERT
> >
> >Like two rival siblings, sources say CSI: Miami stars David Caruso and Kim
> >Delaney constantly bickered while making the smash-hit CBS series. The
> >bickering can stop. Delaney was canned after just 10 episodes – and she
> >blames it on her fellow NYPD Blue alum.
>
> Can someone explain the hubbub over David Caruso? I don't think he's that very
> attractive, his acting is okay but nothing spectacular and from a few items, he
> seems like he can be a real a-hole.
>
he even HAS a job, much less pulling rank the way he does - what a
jerk....
Boffman
>From: steah...@aol.com (SteaHoover)
>Date: 11/15/02 3:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20021115154656...@mb-da.aol.com>
>
>>Subject: Why CSI: Miami dumped Kim Delaney
>
>Stupid broad didn't know how good she had it on NYPD Blue!
>
Shit, she didn't know how good she had it on All My Children!
GO8GO
>
Shit, she didn't know how good she had it on All My Children!>>
Couldn't the same thing be said about Caruso? At least Delany sticks with the
shows while Caruso bails when something better comes along.
Sara
>
>
>Shit, she didn't know how good she had it on All My Children!>>
>
>Couldn't the same thing be said about Caruso? At least Delany sticks with the
>shows while Caruso bails when something better comes along.
>
>
Couldn't the same thing be said about Michael Moriarity, Chris Noth,
Chevy Chase, Dana Carvey, Jon Lovitz, and on and on? Kim Delaney leaving
NYPD seems mild compared to a lot of those guys with the big egos who
wanted to be *stars*. At least she's been continuously working since
she left.
Phoenix
safra...@rr.com says...
Chris Noth and Michael Moriarty were forced
out by Dick Wolf. Neither of them wanted to
leave, though Moriarty did cover his dismissal
with a rant at Janet Reno (he's crazy, you
know.)
bel
>
>
GO8GO
>shows while Caruso bails when something better comes along.
>
>
Couldn't the same thing be said about Michael Moriarity, Chris Noth,
Chevy Chase, Dana Carvey, Jon Lovitz, and on and on? Kim Delaney leaving
NYPD seems mild compared to a lot of those guys with the big egos who
wanted to be *stars*. At least she's been continuously working since
she left.>>
Of course you're right. The comparison was that in the loyalty contest, the
producers should have taken Delany over Caruso any day.
AKA
"Sara" <safra...@rr.com> wrote in message news:3DD6C155...@rr.com...
Peter J.
>
>Couldn't the same thing be said about Caruso? At least Delany sticks with
>the
>shows while Caruso bails when something better comes along.
>
Didn't Caruso leave only one show - NYPD Blue? He had another show on CBS 3 or
4 years ago, Michael Hayes, and he didn't leave that.
I'm not a big Caruso fan, but I don't know if I buy all these rumors about how
he forced Kim Delaney out because he has to be the biggest star. He was
thisclose to retiring from acting for good (due to lack of work or opening a
shop or something) when he got the call about CSI Miami. He is not in the same
position that he was in when he quit NYPD Blue. Why is he going to go around
making firing demands when he could easily be fired and replaced? These stories
about Caruso wanting this and that seem a bit desperate. David Caruso's name
equals automatic headlines and controversy, and the tabloids knows that.
No matter what the tabloids are putting out there, if Kim Delaney hadn't been
so awful in her role, and if the writing had not been so poor for her, I don't
think she would have been fired. She was hired at the last minute and it
showed. Firing her was the right decision. Now if only they could fire some of
their writers.
Aware1
humanity with this little gem:
And his butt, didn't he show his butt on a show?
Aware1
--
Sara
Is that inside info? I thought that Chris Noth wanted more money and
that Michael Moriarty really was pissed off that Dick Wolf caved on the
violence in television issue. I did meet and work with Moriarty for a
few weeks (early '90s) and though he was a nice and polite person, he
was definitely very strange, as was his wife.
Teddi Litman
"Peter J." <rhfan...@aol.comhatespam> wrote in message
> No matter what the tabloids are putting out there, if Kim Delaney hadn't
been
> so awful in her role, and if the writing had not been so poor for her, I
don't
> think she would have been fired. She was hired at the last minute and it
> showed. Firing her was the right decision. Now if only they could fire
some of
> their writers.
I don't know if her acting was so much at fault. Her character was boring
and there wasn't really much there to act. The official line is basically
that her character was unnecessary. Gotta agree. I really think it's that
simple. Caruso is the boss and he has a bunch of various lab experts under
him and they solve a new crime every week. She's the former boss whose
husband was killed ... now working under Caruso. That stuff is all character
driven stuff; and the show, so far, has been purely plot driven. If they
maintain the current formula, they only need star and the various experts to
solve the crime. They don't need an extra character with issues when the
show isn't about the recurring characters' issues.
Teddi
Sara
Delaney definitely sucked in the role and, while they're replacing
writers, could they *please* replace Emily Procter? I cannot stand that
insipid little smile she walks around with. It worked for her on the
West Wing, but it does not work at all in CSI, as she picks her way
through dead bodies--it's just impossible to take her seriously. Every
time I see CSI Las Vegas, it becomes more apparent that CSI Miami is an
inferior imitation.
Phoenix
safra...@rr.com says...
No, it's not inside info, but Wolf has based
the popularity of the show on a revolving cast
from the beginning. He doesn't want anyone
around too long (except for Steven Hill
apparently.)
Noth was incredibly pissed off that Wolf
wouldn't sign him up again. He loved doing
the show (and starred in it's best years
IMHO.) I don't think money was the issue at
all, but Wolf doesn't want any of his actors
to feel that the show is dependant on them.
Noth, with good reason, thought he was
essential to L&O. Wolf yanked him sooner
because of it.
Moriarty used the Reno issue to make it look
like he wanted out. In reality, Wolf gets rid
of characters as soon as they get old in his
opinion, and Moriarty was out. Moriarty has
some mental issues, tainted with alcohol
abuse, but he hasn't hurt his acting
any...except no one will hire him anymore.
Too bad Wolf hasn't been as good at replacing
his core actors as he used to be. L&O has
lost it's swagger, it's street feel. Part of
the problem is that the franchise is spread
too thin. Can't you imagine one dynamite show
with the best cast and writing from all 3
L&Os?
bel
>
>
>
Sara
My personal favorite is L&O CI, although I do watch them all. But if
Dick Wolf wants to rotate characters, how has Jerry Orbach, Sam
Waterston, the woman captain (name?) survived so long? The SVU people
have also now been around a while. And if he ever even *considers*
getting rid of Vincent D'Onofrio--I'm outta there ;-) .
Peter J.
>
>I don't know if her acting was so much at fault. Her character was boring
>and there wasn't really much there to act.
That's true, but she was dead, every line was dead, and I've never seen Kim
that way before. She usually puts some sort of feeling into her role. I guess
the writing didn't inspire her.
>The official line is basically
>that her character was unnecessary. Gotta agree. I really think it's that
>simple. Caruso is the boss and he has a bunch of various lab experts under
>him and they solve a new crime every week. She's the former boss whose
>husband was killed ... now working under Caruso. That stuff is all character
>driven stuff; and the show, so far, has been purely plot driven. If they
>maintain the current formula, they only need star and the various experts to
>solve the crime. They don't need an extra character with issues when the
>show isn't about the recurring characters' issues.
I wish they'd give Rory Cochrane more to do.
Peter J.
>
>Delaney definitely sucked in the role and, while they're replacing
>writers, could they *please* replace Emily Procter? I cannot stand that
>insipid little smile she walks around with. It worked for her on the
>West Wing, but it does not work at all in CSI, as she picks her way
>through dead bodies--it's just impossible to take her seriously. Every
>time I see CSI Las Vegas, it becomes more apparent that CSI Miami is an
>inferior imitation.
And the CSI Vegas women seem to be becoming stronger in comparison to the Miami
gals, aren't they? Can you see Khandi Alexander at that execution Catherine had
to attend?
(running to the body)
"It's OK baby, it's OK, I'm here for you..."
Her talking to corpses bugs me even more than Emily Procter (who has her
moments at least) does.
The only real draw is Rory Cochrane. He's hot, talented, moody, very strong in
his role.
MLGTC61
>>Lest ye forget that major movie star Jimmy Smits.
>
>And his butt, didn't he show his butt on a show?
Yep...on NYPD Blue.
Shelby
Phoenix
safra...@rr.com says...
> Phoenix wrote:
I *think* because they play well with others.
Also, with the new shows, Wolf isn't as
concerned with keeping the staff fresh on his
old set.
Rumor is that Wolf felt awful about canning
the actor who played Lt. Cragan (Dan Florek)
as he was very popular with the writers and
crew. That's why the character was recycled
into SVU.
Didn't happen for Noth or Moriarty. Both
burned their bridges with Wolf.
The SVU people
> have also now been around a while. And if he ever even *considers*
> getting rid of Vincent D'Onofrio--I'm outta there ;-) .
Wolf should kiss the ground D'Onofrio walks on
for agreeing to do the show.
bel
>
>
mikes wife
> Is that inside info? I thought that Chris Noth wanted more money and
> that Michael Moriarty really was pissed off that Dick Wolf caved on the
> violence in television issue. I did meet and work with Moriarty for a
> few weeks (early '90s) and though he was a nice and polite person, he
> was definitely very strange, as was his wife.
Moriarty's rantings against the government alarmed NBC brass and L&O
producers. Moriarty was making some harsh statements against Janet
Reno's policies and it was attracting too much attention, the wrong
sort of publicity. He was forced out, in fact a few weeks into the
whole brouhaha, Sam Waterson was contacted.
Chris Noth acted like a major asshole on set. Here's how he was
described by someone who worked on L&O:
It was tons of fun working with Chris Noth, although it took a little
time for the crew to warm up to him. Most thought he was standoffish,
full of himself, and a royal pain in the butt.
He questioned the character's motivation to the point of producers
having to step in, take him aside, and say: "Chris -- Just say the
line the way it's written!
It's on this page:
http://www.turtle-run.com/locations/2000/article11.html
Also, Chris, at one point, insinuated that he was going to ask for a
huge raise etc.. this combined with being 'difficult' led to him being
not getting his contract renewed..
maryanne kehoe
But doesn't Kim Delaney have a rep for being difficult on the set to
work with?
Peter J.
That's because L&O hasn't had characters in years. They are just mannequins
reading dialogue.
Wolf has never liked firing actors. He prefers to keep them around, whether or
not they are working out. Even the really bad ones like Angie Harmon and Dianne
Wiest (who I love as an actress, but not on L&O) left of their own accord.
That's probably why he hasn't fired Elisabeth Rohm even after all the bashing
of her in the press and with the fans.
Aside from Moriarty and Noth, L&O has only fired Richard Brooks and Dann
Florek, and like you said, that's because NBC forced him to fire the last two
and replace them with women. Otherwise, NBC was going to cancel.
Sophie
>his core actors as he used to be. L&O has
>lost it's swagger, it's street feel. Part of
>the problem is that the franchise is spread
>too thin. Can't you imagine one dynamite show
>with the best cast and writing from all 3
>L&Os?
>bel
Actually I like all the main characters now on L&O. The blonde (the DA,
Serena something-or-other) is *much* better than she used to be. I think
all the L&O shows are great for different reasons. Unlike CSI - Miami,
which looks like the writers could not care less about that show. The Vegas
one is obviously *miles* better.
Sophie
Sophie
>Delaney definitely sucked in the role and, while they're replacing
>writers, could they *please* replace Emily Procter? I cannot stand that
>insipid little smile she walks around with. It worked for her on the
>West Wing, but it does not work at all in CSI, as she picks her way
>through dead bodies--it's just impossible to take her seriously. Every
>time I see CSI Las Vegas, it becomes more apparent that CSI Miami is an
>inferior imitation.
Procter's voice bugs the heck outta me too. I read she's from NC (where I'm
from). Anyone know anything else about her?
Sophie
Phoenix
fq.aol.com>, rhfan...@aol.comhatespam
says...
> >Phoenix avian...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >I *think* because they play well with others.
> >
> > Also, with the new shows, Wolf isn't as
> >concerned with keeping the staff fresh on his
> >old set.
>
> That's because L&O hasn't had characters in years. They are just mannequins
> reading dialogue.
No kidding. What happened to all the
wonderful recurring defence lawyers? Shambala
Green, Martin Gold, the lawyers Edie Falco and
Ron Silver played.....gone, and no one is
replacing them. The smaller parts on L&O used
to be so much fun, now they're forgettable.
>
> Wolf has never liked firing actors. He prefers to keep them around, whether or
> not they are working out. Even the really bad ones like Angie Harmon and Dianne
> Wiest (who I love as an actress, but not on L&O) left of their own accord.
> That's probably why he hasn't fired Elisabeth Rohm even after all the bashing
> of her in the press and with the fans.
She probably has a year contract Wolf doesn't
want to break.
Wolf also let go of George Dzundza, Paul
Sorvino, Benjamin Bratt without a fight. He
also fired John Fiore, Elisabeth McCormick,
Jill Hennessey, and maybe Cary Lowell I'm not
sure, her contract may have been up.
Clearly Wolf doesn't mind tossing out the old
and bringing in the new. He's been
interviewed in the professional journals as
saying this is exactly the way he wants it.
Take that for what it's worth. Many of these
Big Fellas take credit for the accidents and
extinguencies of their shows when they
premeditated none of it.
BTW, if you like good gritty cop shows with
interesting characters try to catch The Wire
when it replays on HBO. Fine television!
bel
Sara
>>Sara safra...@rr.com wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>>Delaney definitely sucked in the role and, while they're replacing
>>writers, could they *please* replace Emily Procter? I cannot stand that
>>insipid little smile she walks around with. It worked for her on the
>>West Wing, but it does not work at all in CSI, as she picks her way
>>through dead bodies--it's just impossible to take her seriously. Every
>>time I see CSI Las Vegas, it becomes more apparent that CSI Miami is an
>>inferior imitation.
>>
>>
>
>And the CSI Vegas women seem to be becoming stronger in comparison to the Miami
>gals, aren't they? Can you see Khandi Alexander at that execution Catherine had
>to attend?
>
>(running to the body)
>
>"It's OK baby, it's OK, I'm here for you..."
>
>
LOL :-D . Give me Robbins the Vegas coroner any day! Could you *see*
the look on Grissom's face if he ever caught that guy cooing to a corpse?
Sara
>
>
>She probably has a year contract Wolf doesn't
>want to break.
>
I'm starting to like her, although I was a big Jill Hennessy fan also.
>
>Wolf also let go of George Dzundza, Paul
>Sorvino, Benjamin Bratt without a fight.
>
Right--Benjamin Bratt--another big star in the WEHT file.
Peter J.
>
>No kidding. What happened to all the
>wonderful recurring defence lawyers? Shambala
>Green, Martin Gold, the lawyers Edie Falco and
>Ron Silver played.....gone, and no one is
>replacing them. The smaller parts on L&O used
>to be so much fun, now they're forgettable.
SVU seems to have the more colorful guest characters now.
>She probably has a year contract Wolf doesn't
>want to break.
>
>Wolf also let go of George Dzundza, Paul
>Sorvino, Benjamin Bratt without a fight. He
>also fired John Fiore, Elisabeth McCormick,
>Jill Hennessey, and maybe Cary Lowell I'm not
>sure, her contract may have been up.
I'm not sure where you heard some of this, but from what I heard, only John
Fiore was actually fired. Of the others you mentioned:
George Dzundza's family was living in California and he didn't want to relocate
to NYC, IIRC. He left.
Paul Sorvino quit because he was straining his voice and couldn't keep opera
singing if he stayed on L&O.
Carolyn McCormick quit because she felt her role had been reduced to
psychobabble in the last few years. She is now back on occasion (I guess
because JK Simmons/Skoda is making all those movies and tv shows and because
she isn't exactly a huge star).
Jill Hennessy quit because she wanted to go on to greener pastures.
Carey Lowell quit because she wanted to spend more time with Richard Gere and
her young son.
He may not have fought Benjamin Bratt, but Ben had already stayed for a number
of years and I guess Wolf didn't see any point in burning his bridges and
causing a big stink by demanding Ben stay.
>
>
>Clearly Wolf doesn't mind tossing out the old
>and bringing in the new. He's been
>interviewed in the professional journals as
>saying this is exactly the way he wants it.
>Take that for what it's worth. Many of these
>Big Fellas take credit for the accidents and
>extinguencies of their shows when they
>premeditated none of it.
Dick may praise the revolving-door concept, but I don't think that means he
fires actors in order to keep that going. Most of the departures are the choice
of the actors.
>
>BTW, if you like good gritty cop shows with
>interesting characters try to catch The Wire
>when it replays on HBO. Fine television!
>
It seems a bit derivative, but is good at times. I have a crush on the lead,
McNulty. He was supposed to have a nude scene in the season finale, but rat
bastards HBO demanded it be taken out :p
Phoenix
me.aol.com>, rhfan...@aol.comhatespam
says...
> >Phoenix avian...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >BTW, if you like good gritty cop shows with
> >interesting characters try to catch The Wire
> >when it replays on HBO. Fine television!
> >
>
> It seems a bit derivative, but is good at times. I have a crush on the lead,
> McNulty. He was supposed to have a nude scene in the season finale, but rat
> bastards HBO demanded it be taken out :p
What!? Bastards! Dominic West deserves
nekkid time, I demand it!
<slurp!>
bel
>
Alex
shawn <shNOa...@mindspring.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
9ibntuoqpclh6h4n6...@4ax.com...
> You know I've been wondering about that show. Did they go out and hire
> brand new writers for the Miami show? It may be that the writers or
> the actors haven't yet gelled, but the show just doesn't seem to fit.
> It's almost a disjointed feel that I've never noticed on CSI. Of
> course, I didn't watch CSI when it first came on so they may have had
> some rough spots at first.
They had three or four crimes running simultaneously per episode.
Also, some of the dialogue in the first episode (the store owner) was
written in a very clunky way.
Alex
Chris Davis
I'm to the point of not watching anymore due to the coroner's talking
to the dead bodies. Was this the writer's idea or Khandi Alexanders?
It has to be the most annoying character ever.
Donna L. Bridges
>Couldn't the same thing be said about Michael Moriarity, Chris Noth,
>Chevy Chase, Dana Carvey, Jon Lovitz, and on and on? Kim Delaney leaving
>NYPD seems mild compared to a lot of those guys with the big egos who
>wanted to be *stars*. At least she's been continuously working since
>she left.
And, how is it somehow any kind of stain on her record when Bochco
wanted her for PHILLY?
--
DonnaB
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