Opie and Anthony step over the line?
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ROBERT Clary, best known for playing Corporal Louis LeBeau on the classic
sitcom "Hogan's Heroes," won't be calling Opie and Anthony's talk show anytime
soon.
Clary, 75, phoned the WNEW duo on Thursday to plug his new autobiography "From
the Holocaust to ‘Hogan's Heroes' " - which details his amazing journey from
his childhood in a Nazi concentration camp to Hollywood stardom in the '60s.
But when Clary called the show, the unsuspecting Frenchman was immediately met
with an insulting assault of gay innuendo, offensive sound effects and, later,
even a speech by Adolf Hitler.
When Clary first called the afternoon drive-time chatfest, he was put on hold
while Opie and Anthony implied to the audience that his "Hogan's Heroes"
character was gay.
"Remember LeBeau, the French guy who always made the strudel for Schultz, so
he'd let him do things?" Anthony asked.
"The gay guy?" Opie replied.
"French, gay, whatever," Anthony said.
Once Clary was on the line, Opie asked him, "Were you the gay guy on ‘Hogan's
Heroes'?"
An outraged Clary sputtered, "Oh, Opie, don't give me that dumb thing. Just
stop it with the gay stuff. There were no gay guys. Shut up, Opie!"
Opie then went on to bait Clary, who is married, about his own sexuality.
Anthony pretended to be outraged by Opie's comments and kept Clary on the line
by asking him about "Hogan's Heroes."
Clary's temperature rose when Opie began playing audio sound bites that called
him a "faggot." Anthony apologized and told Opie to shut up, and Clary calmed
down enough to describe his time in the concentration camp. But midway through
the harrowing tale, Opie played a canned laugh track - and Clary hung up.
A producer managed to get Clary back on the phone a few minutes later. After
Anthony again apologized, Clary warned him: "I am not a moron, I'm not a kid.
[Opie] can have his joke with someone else, but I'm not going to put up with
it!"
Clary returned to his Holocaust saga and talked about family members who had
been deported from France and forced into the gas chambers. But even while he
was relaying the story, the shock jocks played audio of a pingpong game,
followed by snippets from a Hitler speech. With that, Clary hung up for good.
Michael Messina, a spokesman for Madison Books, Clary's publisher, branded Opie
and Anthony's antics "anti-Semitic" and "outrageous and dangerous hate."
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Aware1
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Well, at the very least it was rude and totally uncalled for.
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and these two human rectums think this is a set up for a joke?
Would they play stupid sound effects while a Sept 11th
survivor described people jumping out of burning buildings and
mountains of debris littered with human body parts?
This shock jock crap has gotta go.
JennaStan
>
>Michael Messina, a spokesman for Madison Books, Clary's publisher, branded
>Opie
>and Anthony's antics "anti-Semitic" and "outrageous and dangerous hate."
Wasn't another shock jock fired after he joked about the black man dragged to
death? I wish the same could happen here.
Mary Campbell
> A concentration camp survivor is discussing his experiences,
> and these two human rectums think this is a set up for a joke?
> Would they play stupid sound effects while a Sept 11th
> survivor described people jumping out of burning buildings and
> mountains of debris littered with human body parts?
What amazes me is that Clary got back on the line after they played the
laugh track.
> This shock jock crap has gotta go.
I'm sure it won't hurt their ratings. Judging from their message board,
their fans loved it.
DRak1223
>their fans loved it.
>
their fans may have loved it, but since they lost a full ratings share in their
key demographic in the last arbitrons, i'm sure
les moonves isn't too happy with them.
Marianna Trench
>Wasn't another shock jock fired after he joked about the black man dragged to
>death? I wish the same could happen here.
That was the Greaseman. He said something to the effect that it was no wonder
that blacks got dragged to death if they sounded like Lauryn Hill. Where is the
Greaseman now, anyway?
Marianna
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It also wasn't Doug Tracht's first time to cross the line, either.
He'd once made a comment about MLK Day to the effect that if we just
killed six more, we'd get a whole week.
That got him booted for a while. I miss his Clint Eastwood's Lover
routine, but I don't miss him otherwise.
Bill
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Opie and Anthony *have* been fired. When they were jocks in Worcester, MA
they played a little April Fools joke--announcing that the mayor of Boston
had died. Needless to say, the mayor was not amused. They were canned and
instead of fading into obscurity they were picked up by WNEW in NY and are
more popular than ever. Syndication brought them to Boston, where they
displaced their competitor, Nick Carter on rival station WBCN. Getting
fired would only further enhance their "reputation".
I hate these fucking lame Stern imitators. They take everything that's
wrong with Stern and then magnify it about 10 times. They suck. Only
Howard can get away with being Howard imho. The worst thing that ever
happened to Boston radio was Howard....though I like Stern the airwaves
here are now filled with horrible Howard wannabes. Bleh.
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JennaStan
>They were canned and
>instead of fading into obscurity they were picked up by WNEW in NY and are
>more popular than ever.
I don't think of myself as a prude (I watch Oz, and that's not the easiest show
to take sometimes), but I just don't understand how anyone can listen to
someone who plays a tape of Hitler while a concentration camp survivor is
speaking. And someone else said the fans "loved it". Perhaps they thought he
deserved it because he's publicizing his experiences for a book, but IMO no one
deserves that. It would be like showing up at a WTC victim's funerals dressed
as Osama.
Egccrn38
of supposedly two mentally retarded people singing the song from Dirty Dancing.
At one point in the song, after laughing hysterically, Anthony said that
someone should shoot these people and put them out of their misery and wipe
them off the face of the earth.
I was shocked, but I was more shocked when no one even mentioned the incident,
and no one even complained. I feel that they went over the line on this one.
Mary Campbell
>
> I don't think of myself as a prude (I watch Oz, and that's not the easiest show
> to take sometimes), but I just don't understand how anyone can listen to
> someone who plays a tape of Hitler while a concentration camp survivor is
> speaking. And someone else said the fans "loved it".
That was probably me. I'm going by the evidence on their website, where
fans posted comments about the Clary call such as "Man, that was
outrageous!" and "I laughed so hard I spilled my coffee!" There were a
couple of negative comments as well, making the comparison with the WTC
attacks. All in all, there weren't that many posts about the incident so
I suppose I shouldn't be using them to extrapolate some kind of general
reaction from the O&A audience.
I wouldn't be surprised, though, if that weren't the general reaction.
I'm guessing that their audience is males 18-34, and skewed toward the
18-year-old end at that - the "Jackass" crowd. They wouldn't laugh at the
WTC attacks because that just happened - it's real to them. But
concentration camps, the Holocaust, Hitler - that's not real to this age
group, it's history, some old dude from the olden days. And so much has
been done by our culture in the past 50 years to debase memories of the
Holocaust and WWII including, ironically enough, "Hogan's Heroes" (Clary's
show).
It doesn't make Opie & Anthony any less assholes, though. Aren't they the
guys who are parodied on "The Simpsons"? In one "Simpsons" episode
featuring these guys, they pulled that "Aren't you gay" schtick that O&A
do to embarass people.
What would be really great would be if someday one of their targets
quietly but firmly replied "Yes, I'm gay". I'm sure O&A would be left
speechless.
Lady Taker
>>
>> I don't think of myself as a prude (I watch Oz, and that's not the easiest
>show
>> to take sometimes), but I just don't understand how anyone can listen to
>> someone who plays a tape of Hitler while a concentration camp survivor is
>> speaking. And someone else said the fans "loved it".
Sounds bad, I admit, but that concentration camp survivor also starred in
Hogan's Heros for a lot of seasons and reaped in plenty of $$ for it, too. One
must think that he must have come to terms with making humor out of Hitler's
atrocity at some point, right? But, in the world of karma, if you make money
off of Hitler humor, you might expect to have that used against you at some
point, too.
I heard the bit and didn't find myself either highly amused or highly outraged.
Volfie
"The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me!"
-Homer Simpson
John Smith
Lady Taker wrote:
The concentration camp survivor played the part of a POW in a POW camp, not a
concentration or death camp. Besides, the Jewish performers in the show, Werner
Klemperer, John Banner and Robert Clary, were attracted to the role because it made
the Nazis look like a bunch of idiots. There was more than a great deal of revenge
against a system that was aimed to kill these actors. You could laugh at, not with,
the Nazi captors in the show.
John
Lady Taker
>the Nazi captors in the show.
>
>John
But it was STILL a show about Nazi's right?? POW or concentration camp or
whatever, there were guys on that set dressed in grey uniforms with swastikas
all over them, right? And even if you never saw it on screen you knew exactly
what atrocities these folks committed, right? I mean, everyone didn't get
amnesia and start thinking the Nazi's were cute or anything, did they? (Or,
even worse, perhaps their cute buffoonery DID lead folks to think they were
cute and cuddly. How does that work out for the theory that he was only doing
it to make the Nazis look bad?)
Personally, if I had come out of a concentration camp I wouldn't be working on
a show about the people who put me IN one regardless of how silly it made them
look. There's a big conflict of interest there as far as I can see. You can't
have your cake and eat it too and that's exactly what he is trying to do. Just
MHO, of course, and (as we see repeatedly in here) YMMV.
John Smith
Lady Taker wrote:
> >ou could laugh at, not with,
> >the Nazi captors in the show.
> >
> >John
>
> But it was STILL a show about Nazi's right?? POW or concentration camp or
> whatever, there were guys on that set dressed in grey uniforms with swastikas
> all over them, right? And even if you never saw it on screen you knew exactly
> what atrocities these folks committed, right? I mean, everyone didn't get
> amnesia and start thinking the Nazi's were cute or anything, did they? (Or,
> even worse, perhaps their cute buffoonery DID lead folks to think they were
> cute and cuddly. How does that work out for the theory that he was only doing
> it to make the Nazis look bad?)
Simple. The show has constantly been protested by ex-Wehrmacht soldiers. The show,
under heavy pressure, was banned in Germany for years. Not twenty years ago,
Chancellor Helmut Schmitt actually addressed the Prime Minister of Canada in a
speech saying how offensive the show was to the Germans, making them look like
buffoons. Sometimes a pie in the face does what an arsenal can't do.
John
Lady Taker
>show,
>under heavy pressure, was banned in Germany for years. Not twenty years ago,
>Chancellor Helmut Schmitt actually addressed the Prime Minister of Canada in
>a
>speech saying how offensive the show was to the Germans, making them look
>like
>buffoons. Sometimes a pie in the face does what an arsenal can't do.
>
>John
I'm sorry, I see that you think that's all a big deal but I think all that's
fairly useless on the overall impact of the program. The show wasn't MADE for
German TV, it was made for American TV where it had a long and successful run
and where it can still be seen in reruns even today.
Again I submit that someone who just got out of a concentration camp might want
to stay away from a comedy ABOUT the same people who put him IN one unless he
is 1.) greedier than hell and/or 2.) come to terms with his imprisonment and
can be on both the giving and receiving end of all things relating to his
experience.
Now if he did it because he was greedy, then he can't whine about it now and if
he did it because he had come to terms with it... well, then... he can't whine
about it now. It's very simple to me.
BTW, did anyone ever hear this story BEFORE he started stumping his book? I
sure hadn't.
Doctor Wu
vol...@aol.comBV12 (Lady Taker) wrote:
> But it was STILL a show about Nazi's right?? POW or concentration camp or
> whatever, there were guys on that set dressed in grey uniforms with swastikas
> all over them, right? And even if you never saw it on screen you knew exactly
> what atrocities these folks committed, right? I mean, everyone didn't get
> amnesia and start thinking the Nazi's were cute or anything, did they? (Or,
> even worse, perhaps their cute buffoonery DID lead folks to think they were
> cute and cuddly. How does that work out for the theory that he was only doing
> it to make the Nazis look bad?)
I never understood why people thought "Hogan's Heroes" was funny I saw
it a few times and didn't like it, I guess because of the subject
matter, taking a lighthearted look at Nazis and POWs. On the other
hand, I thought M*A*S*H was very funny and one of my favorite shows, but
that was set in a hospital during a war, so it's somewhat different. War
in general (pardon the pun) is not funny, but sometimes we need to laugh
to ease our pain. I agree that HH was trying to make Nazis seem cute
and cuddly, or human even.
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Lisa
Lady Taker
>and cuddly, or human even.
>
>--
>Lisa
Case in point: What's the most famous line(s) you can remember from that show?
It's either Sgt. Schultz', "I know NOTHING!" or Col. Klink's*, "HoGAN!!"
If your two most memorable lines come from the Nazi characters (and not the
main character) then you have succeeded in making something loathsome into
something cute and cuddly and memorable. Oops.
And, let's face it, Schultz was a goosestepping teddybear, for cryin' out loud.
*They've even used the Col. Klink character on The Simpsons.
Aware1
How old was Clary when he was in that camp?
He must've been relatively young. Maybe it didn't impact
him as much because he was a little kid? I dunno.
Doctor Wu
John Smith <jsm...@netrover.com> wrote:
> The concentration camp survivor played the part of a POW in a POW camp, not a
> concentration or death camp. Besides, the Jewish performers in the show,
> Werner
> Klemperer, John Banner and Robert Clary, were attracted to the role because
> it made
> the Nazis look like a bunch of idiots. There was more than a great deal of
> revenge
> against a system that was aimed to kill these actors. You could laugh at, not
> with,
> the Nazi captors in the show.
I guess I can see how HH was aimed towards making people laugh at the
Nazis, but I still find the whole show rather distasteful and unfunny. I
mentioned in another post that I liked the show M*A*S*H, which was set
at a MASH unit during the Korean war, and neither hospitals or wars are
funny, but I thought the movie and the show were quite good. The show
also had dramatic moments, where they became very serious about certain
issues. From the few episodes of HH I've seen, they never were serious
about the situation at hand, but I haven't watched all the episodes.
MASH seemed to have more of a moral approach to the subjects of war and
death, whereas HH was just going for the lighthearted laughs, that I
never really got while watching it.
--
Lisa
John Smith
Lady Taker wrote:
Yes, I had read about his experiences in various publications such as TV Guide as
far back as 1965. He talked about it a lot and lectured at colleges about the
experiences for years. His friendship with Simon Weisenthal and Viktor Frankl is
well-known. He has also contributed to the Weisenthal Foundation and has lectured
on their behalf.
Also, and read this carefully...Clary played the part of a POW in a POW CAMP, and
he did NOT play a concentration camp or death camp internee. MAJOR DIFFERENCE! It
is THAT simple.
John
John Smith
Doctor Wu wrote:
Oh, I didn't say that the show was great. It is awful. And Bob Crane was the poster
boy for slime.
John
Lady Taker
>and
>he did NOT play a concentration camp or death camp internee. MAJOR
>DIFFERENCE! It
>is THAT simple.
>
>John
Sorry but *I* think it's a simple as this: he worked on a show that made the
Nazis -- the same people who had PUT him in a CONCENTRATION CAMP -- look all
cuddly, funny and cheek-pinching adorable.
Pretty detestable no matter how you cut it now.
John Smith
Lady Taker wrote:
And *I* am saying otherwise. I have read the reasons why the Banner, Clary and
Klemperer took the roles and I read it as catharsis. You have not. Usually I agree
with you but this time neither of us will convince each other of our opinions.
John
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