**OT** SoCal fires
maryanne kehoe
Any AGC people in that area (Linda C., how are you doing?)....everyone
OK, please check in....
pam mccarthy
atl...@webtv.net (maryanne kehoe) wrote:
> Any AGC people in that area (Linda C., how are you doing?)....everyone
> OK, please check in....
>
i'm in south orange county, and so far, so good. i'm right in a high
fire zone, so we're all bracing for santa ana winds this weekend, hoping
no one gets any stupid ideas about setting any fires. last year, during
another santa ana wind, fire came within 2 miles of me...that was too
close for comfort!
pam
--
pammcc
"And every one of them words rang true, and glowed like burnin' coal
pourin' off of every page like it was written in my soul from me to you,
tangled up in blue."--Dylan
mslinda
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>>In article <21870-3F9...@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net>,
>> atl...@webtv.net (maryanne kehoe) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Any AGC people in that area (Linda C., how are you doing?)....everyone
>>>OK, please check in....
>>>
>>
>>i'm in south orange county, and so far, so good. i'm right in a high
>>fire zone, so we're all bracing for santa ana winds this weekend, hoping
>>no one gets any stupid ideas about setting any fires. last year, during
>>another santa ana wind, fire came within 2 miles of me...that was too
>>close for comfort!
>>pam
>
>
>
>
I'm in WeHo by the Strip. No brushfires because we're too congested to
have brush. However, expect shit to hit next weekend when our city of
37,000 is deluged by 450,000 Halloween revelers set to descend upon us.
No idea where they're gonna park.
Linda C.
Patty
"mslinda" <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3F9A126...@earthlink.net...
What is it, a Halloween parade? I've always wanted to go to the Business
Suits parade, I think it's held on Halloween or the next day and is in
Santa Barbara.
Karen M
atl...@webtv.net (maryanne kehoe) wrote:
> Any AGC people in that area (Linda C., how are you doing?)....everyone
> OK, please check in....
>
I'm getting smoke from the Piru fire north of L.A. By the time it wafts
out this way (west of the site), it's got a sharpness to it that defies
description, but that's life in the foothills in fire season.
Karen, crossing her fingers that nothing flares up closer than Piru,
because evacuating is NOT FUN
Chemqueries
fires anywhere near Upland?
Kaiju
>
> Any AGC people in that area (Linda C., how are you doing?)....everyone
> OK, please check in....
I finally got my car detailed and spiffed up last week. Paid a small
fortune for it, too. I checked it out this afternoon and it looked like
it had been through a snowstorm. It was covered with ashes. Oh, well.
At least I can blow the ashes off and my car will be fine. My sympathy
goes to those who have lost their homes and functional lives to the
selfishness of arsonists. I simply can't fathom what could drive
someone to set fires, but every SoCal hot season they do it.
I put them in the same category as those who create computer vira.
Let's gather them up and subject them to public floggings. They
obviously seek attention. Let's give it to them, eh?
Kaiju
--
No more fiendish punishment could be devised,
were such a thing physically possible,
than that one should be turned loose in society
and remain absolutely unnoticed.
-- William James
AliciusSlice
are lots of smoke clouds, a strong smell of smoke, and it's "raining" ash. As
of yesterday, it was only 17% contained by should be contained withing a week.
Font of All Important Info
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>"Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "mslinda" <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> : I'm in WeHo by the Strip. No brushfires because we're too congested to
>> : have brush. However, expect shit to hit next weekend when our city of
>> : 37,000 is deluged by 450,000 Halloween revelers set to descend upon us.
>> : No idea where they're gonna park.
>> :
>> : Linda C.
>>
>> What is it, a Halloween parade? I've always wanted to go to the Business
>> Suits parade, I think it's held on Halloween or the next day and is in
>> Santa Barbara.
>>
>>
>
>I think she's talking about the costume party open to the public on Santa
>Monica Blvd., but it's the end of about a week long party, if I'm not
>mistaken.
it goes into Hollywood on Hollywood Blvd., too. it's a lot of fun,
but damn crowded and filled with silly string. WeHo is where you'll
find the more outrageous costumes (drag queens seem to come up with
the best costumes, hee hee). like i said, lots and lots of fun, but
finding parking is a pain.
--dez
...a pistol-hot cup of Dez...
"Chef of chicanery, your buns are mine!"
--the Tick
mslinda
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> "Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Monica Blvd., but it's the end of about a week long party, if I'm not
> mistaken.
>
>
>
While some people may be partying all week, the city of WeHo sponsors a
carnival on Halloween night that closes off a stretch of Santa Monica
Blvd. between La Cienega and Doheny. (Don't know exactly which streets.)
The week long party here is the Gay Pride festival in June, which ends
with a parade on Sunday.
Linda C.
mslinda
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>
Just don't park in my driveway. <g>
Linda C.
mslinda
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>>in front of our driveway blocking our exit. Yes, I made her move. ;-D
>
>
> Why?
> You should have called the city and had her towed!
> For someone to park in front of someones driveway they have to be
> is straight out rude, insane, dumber than dumbest, or all of the aforementioned.
>
>
That's how I feel, too. I especially hate drivers with humongous
vehicles who leave the band end hanging over our driveway. We have to
have them towed ASAP because they're blocking a dozen people including
the mother of a small child.
Linda C.
mslinda
> in front of our driveway blocking our exit. Yes, I made her move. ;-D
>
>
I've had to go out on the street and yell "Black Toyota - move it or
lose it!"
Linda C.
mslinda
I thought the Hollywood one had been canned because of violence? One of
my neighbors was complaining that the Hollywood crowd had moved to the
WeHo one and made it even bigger.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
>
Once the parking enforcement guys ran a make on a car and the owner
lived across the street. He got her number and called her, telling her
to get her stupid ass downstairs right now or he'd tow her car. She
seemed just about as bright as Jessica Simpson. We've also had people
wandering around trying to find cars that had been towed, too dense to
notice that they had blocked a driveway.
Linda C.
mslinda
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> parked
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>>>in front of our driveway blocking our exit. Yes, I made her move. ;-D
>>
>>You should have called the city and had her towed!
>>For someone to park in front of someones driveway they have to be
>>is straight out rude, insane, dumber than dumbest, or all of the
>
> aforementioned.
>
>>
>
> stood outside, waited for another guest to arrive and sent them into the
> house to get the owner of the car. I figured that should embarrass her at
> least. If I called and talked to my neighbor, she could pinpoint the owner
> quickly. This way, they had to search her out and make a scene. I know,
> I'm evil. That's okay. bwahaha
>
>
It's time for Mr. Bullhorn! (Aimed at party next door) "Stupid idiot
with red Escalade! Get the damn thing out of my drivway now!" <eg>
Linda C.
Font of All Important Info
>I thought the Hollywood one had been canned because of violence? One of
>my neighbors was complaining that the Hollywood crowd had moved to the
>WeHo one and made it even bigger.
could be. i haven't been in a couple of years.
Otter
>OK, please check in....
(for reference, see map here:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/102503_nw_wildfire.html)
I live halfway between LA and San Diego (see map, right at the top
point of the 5 freeway sign). Saturday morning I awoke to an amber
hue outside. Looking out the front you could see the edge of a huge
amber cloud covering the entire sky. Ash drifted down, not a lot to
be a problem, but you could see it nonetheless. It cleared up early
in the evening when the Santa Ana Winds really started kicking up.
But then the SMELL came. Within an hour or two the house stank of
fire. Went outside to walk the dog, who was a little uncomfortable
from the smell, and came back smelling like smoke.
And this wasnt from the Camp Pendelton fire to the South of us. This
was from the fires from the North. We're, I don't know, 75 miles away
from some of those. just to give people an idea of what's going on
here, and how big the fires are.
-Otter
maryanne kehoe
think MY premiums are high for my Michigan properties!
DebbieGrrrl
outside! Its yellow outside, not very light and my car is thick with ashes and
Im not even really close to the fires!
Debbie...
Every time I close the door on reality it comes in through the windows.
Patty
"DebbieGrrrl" <debbi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031026121149...@mb-m07.aol.com...
: There are 2 fires burning in San Diego too this morning and man is it creepy
On the news last night they said that 150 firefighters were sent from the
Bay Area to the Southland, and our area is already under a red flag
fire alert.
Font of All Important Info
compelled by mysterious forces to say:
>There are 2 fires burning in San Diego too this morning and man is it creepy
>outside! Its yellow outside, not very light and my car is thick with ashes and
>Im not even really close to the fires!
the fire "closest" to where i live is the one in Rancho Cucamonga
(which is miles and miles and miles away) and we're having amber skies
and ashes for rain. my car is covered in ashes and i could see the
ash floating down from the sky when i went outside, plus you can smell
the smoke. kinda scary to be this far away and have that happening.
my heart goes out to those who are being directly affected by those
fires--and i hope those arsonists rot in jail once they're caught!
--dez
Chris Pisarra
I live in Northern Cal, in the suburbs of SF. My county, (Contra
Costa), has sent 20 engines and crews the 400 miles south to fight the
fires.
And this is at the time when fire danger around here is the
greatest, too, but you have to help you neighbors when they need it.
Chris
maryanne kehoe
creepy outside!
I just got an email from a friend of mine in San Diego County about five
minutes ago and she said the fires are getting near where she is.
DebbieGrrrl
right where I am. I put eveything I could in my car and waited. Thank the good
Lord, we never got a call to evacuate and hopefully it wont come to that. Im
still pretty scared, but not as bad I was earlier. My heart was pounding and I
had no spit whatsover in my cotton mouth.
Kaiju
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> "Font of All Important Info" <dez...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> also.
My uncle lives near the Indian casinos in the Claremont area. They were
evacuated yesterday. Homes were burnt all around him, including his
neighbors, but his home was untouched, thank goodness. Around here we
have those weird overcast skies, it's snowing ashes, and all you can
smell is smoke. It appears the fires are circling Los Angeles now...on
all sides of the Basin. This is serious stuff, one of the worst fire
seasons ever.
Putting the arsonists in prison to rot is too good for them. Public
flogging is the way to go. Then let them rot in prison.
Aware1
& constricted & squeezed out the following:
>It got within about a half mile of me. Its starting to seem a little better
>right where I am. I put eveything I could in my car and waited. Thank the good
>Lord, we never got a call to evacuate and hopefully it wont come to that. Im
>still pretty scared, but not as bad I was earlier. My heart was pounding and I
>had no spit whatsover in my cotton mouth.
>Debbie...
Wow, that's scary - I'm glad you're safe.
>Every time I close the door on reality it comes in through the windows.
Heh, I like this sig!
--
maryanne kehoe
Have the authorities determined if it was arson? I heard it was just an
extremely hot summer and higher temperatures this late in the year that
is making forest land lighting up in a nanosecond.
Kaiju
It has been determined that at least two of the fires were the result of
arson. Those fires apparently triggered additional fires. There may be
additional information regarding further arson fires involved. More
often than not, these fires are started by arsonists and/or total dimwit
boneheads who never learned anything from Smokey The Bear.
DebbieGrrrl
atl...@webtv.net (maryanne kehoe) writes:
>
>
>Have the authorities determined if it was arson? I heard it was just an
>extremely hot summer and higher temperatures this late in the year that
>is making forest land lighting up in a nanosecond.
>
What I heard was that a hunter fired off a flare and that it stared the fire
and the Santa Ana winds just ran with it.
Debbie...
mslinda
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> "maryanne kehoe" <atl...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> is just horrible what those poor people who have been forced out of their
> homes are having to go through. Last I saw, 20 homes were lost in one area.
>
>
Me, too. At least 6 people have died.
Linda C.
Font of All Important Info
felt compelled by mysterious forces to say:
>
and we thank y'all for it, too!
maryanne kehoe
>Have the authorities determined if it was >arson? I heard it was just
an extremely hot >summer and higher temperatures this late in >the year
that is making forest land lighting up >in a nanosecond.
>Oh man, I was watching the news and couldn't >stand to watch it any
more. It is just horrible >what those poor people who have been forced
>out of their homes are having to go through. >Last I saw, 20 homes were
lost in one area.
My friend out in San Diego County is worried sick about her house---and
with good reason. I think she's packed a suitcase as she said we "might
have to leave on a moment's notice."
Karen M
mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > Oh man, I was watching the news and couldn't stand to watch it any more. It
> > is just horrible what those poor people who have been forced out of their
> > homes are having to go through. Last I saw, 20 homes were lost in one area.
> >
> >
>
> Me, too. At least 6 people have died.
>
Not to make 6 deaths sound trivial, but that's a *very* low number for
fires of this extent, so I suppose we've (collective we) have been lucky.
However. The unpublicized fire (est. 80,000 acres), the one on the other
side of the hills from the Simi fire, roared through town following the
Santa Clara river. There's a significant population of homeless living
along the riverbed, that being barely a trickle except in rainy season.
Hopefully, they were sufficiently sober (not a comment on the homeless
in general but certainly relevant to this population) to make it out of
the riverbed in time.
This fire, having moved down the south side of the valley & burned out
earlier today, had a flare-up at the east end this afternoon or evening
and now appears to be working itself down the north side. Fortunately
I've still got my stuff packed from this morning.
Karen
Karen M
debbi...@aol.com (DebbieGrrrl) wrote:
>
> What I heard was that a hunter fired off a flare and that it stared the fire
> and the Santa Ana winds just ran with it.
Hunters wouldn't be firing flares. I was going to add "especially in
fire season", but the only time it's not fire season in the areas these
fires started is when it's raining.
Karen
Patty
"Karen M" <itsk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:itskarenm-72221...@daffy.sb.west.net...
: In article <3F9C7FE8...@earthlink.net>,
Are those fires in the canyon areas? It's so hard to feel sorry for Southern
Californians who keep building houses in those areas knowing they are
fire traps.
mslinda
> In article <3F9C7FE8...@earthlink.net>,
> mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>Oh man, I was watching the news and couldn't stand to watch it any more. It
>>>is just horrible what those poor people who have been forced out of their
>>>homes are having to go through. Last I saw, 20 homes were lost in one area.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Me, too. At least 6 people have died.
>>
>
>
>
> Not to make 6 deaths sound trivial, but that's a *very* low number for
> fires of this extent, so I suppose we've (collective we) have been lucky.
>
It's up to 13 now.
Linda C.
Karen M
"Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Are those fires in the canyon areas?
No, VALLEYS, not canyons, hence the names Simi VALLEY and Santa Clara
River VALLEY. Of course, mountain ranges being what they are, there are
canyons involved, but there are very few residences in these
canyons--mostly modest farm/ranch housing, not multi-million dollar
homes.
Note that in southern California, there isn't much truly flat space
available and being desert, most of it qualifies as "fire traps".
> It's so hard to feel sorry for Southern
> Californians who keep building houses in those areas knowing they are
> fire traps.
How do you feel about people who live in mobile homes in Tornado Alley?
Karen
kb
>> :
> :
>
> Are those fires in the canyon areas? It's so hard to feel sorry for
Southern
> Californians who keep building houses in those areas knowing they are
> fire traps.
>
Wow! What sensitivity! Have you been to southern CA? There is not too much
flat land here. The Laguna Beach fire a few years back burnt right down to
the ocean!
Kaiju
> Are those fires in the canyon areas? It's so hard to feel sorry for Southern
> Californians who keep building houses in those areas knowing they are
> fire traps.
The area where my uncle lives that was hit Friday and Saturday is mostly
urban. City blocks, lots of streets, tract homes. It isn't exactly a
typical fire zone. I can think of only one widespread fire, and that
was because of some idiot who was firing off fireworks into trees, but
that could happen anywhere in the super-dry SoCal region. (If someone
fired fireworks into trees in the middle of West LA, things would go up
in a flash here, too, and there would be a full conflagration in rapid
time.)
Otter
wrote:
>Are those fires in the canyon areas? It's so hard to feel sorry for Southern
>Californians who keep building houses in those areas knowing they are
>fire traps.
Of course you realize that California is DESERT. In the hot months
everything in the wild is dry, dead, and brittle. Fires travel though
the valleys, jump the freeways and burn entire neighborhoods.
Now people who live in houses built on the sides of cliffs is another
thing. Every BIG rain you can count on at least one house crashing
down the hill.
-Otter
Lady Taker
They said on the news he was lost and fired a signal flare. I mean, really,
you don't expect one stupid hunter to think of anyone but himself, do you?
Giselle (if you can't work a compass and a map, you shouldn't get a hunting
license. Period.)
Patty
"Otter" <Ot...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 04:52:13 GMT, "Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com>
Actually I live in Northern California, a native Californian at that. A
few years ago I visited a friend's friend in Laguna Beach who
took me to the canyon where one of the 90s fires was. He pointed
out where more houses (and not necessarily replacements) had
been built since the fire, and even more were going to be built.
Why should any of them complain about insurance for fires when
they know they are in a fire trap?
E Varden
>
> How do you feel about people who live in mobile homes in Tornado Alley?
>
It's a well known fact that if you put more than ten trailers in the
same vicinty, they create tornadoes.
Pe
edonline
"E Varden" <jp...@munge.vif.com> wrote in message
news:3F9E026C...@munge.vif.com...
And if you happen to be a young girl living on a farm with your aunt and
uncle (and Toto too!), WATCH OUT!
maryanne kehoe
10 trailers equals one tornado!! :)
Re: **OT** SoCal fires
Group: alt.gossip.celebrities Date: Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 12:45am From:
jp...@munge.vif.com (E Varden)
Patty
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> >
> > "Otter" <Ot...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:a0qppvsc7vbgcakm3...@4ax.com...
> > : On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 04:52:13 GMT, "Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com>
> > : wrote:
> > :
> Southern
> > : >Californians who keep building houses in those areas knowing they are
> > : >fire traps.
> > : Of course you realize that California is DESERT. In the hot months
> > : everything in the wild is dry, dead, and brittle. Fires travel though
> > : the valleys, jump the freeways and burn entire neighborhoods.
> > :
> > : Now people who live in houses built on the sides of cliffs is another
> > : thing. Every BIG rain you can count on at least one house crashing
> > : down the hill.
> > :
> > : -Otter
> >
> > Actually I live in Northern California, a native Californian at that. A
> > few years ago I visited a friend's friend in Laguna Beach who
> > took me to the canyon where one of the 90s fires was. He pointed
> > out where more houses (and not necessarily replacements) had
> > been built since the fire, and even more were going to be built.
> > Why should any of them complain about insurance for fires when
> > they know they are in a fire trap?
> >
> >
>
> huge fire. It must all be grown back. Of course, I've only lived down here
> going on 4 years.
http://www.light-headed.com/asite/laguna/laguna_history/laguna_beach_fire.php
http://www.ocregister.com/features/laguna_fire/
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/coastline/
http://www.eqe.com/publications/socal_wildfire/scalfire.htm
Beginning on October 27, 1993, Santa Ana conditions exacerbated a
series of fires that burned over 300 square miles and destroyed more
than 1,000 structures in Southern California over 10 days. The fires
occurred in two series. For the first outbreaks, occurring October
27-29, preliminary estimates of damage stand at $500 million, although
this figure is expected to rise. At the height of the emergency, there
were major fires burning in five counties with approximately 15,000
fire fighters battling the blazes. Of the 14 fires in the region, the
worst blaze was the Laguna Beach fire in Orange County, which claimed
366 homes and burned nearly 17,000 acres. This fire was finally
extinguished on Sunday, October 31, after a five-day battle. The
Altadena/Sierra Madre fire destroyed 151 homes in a 5,700-acre blaze.
Although there were no deaths in these fires or among those fighting
them, 67 fire fighters were injured and four were seriously or
critically burned.
Karen M
"Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Actually I live in Northern California, a native Californian at that.
Which doesn't mean that you know squat about southern California. I
(also a native) know natives who've lived here their entire lives and
refuse to believe we're a desert. The lawns are so green, you know, and
deserts are just sand and cactus. Dimwits.
Karen
Karen M
"Lady Taker" <vol...@ccrtc.com> wrote:
>
> They said on the news he was lost and fired a signal flare. I mean, really,
> you don't expect one stupid hunter to think of anyone but himself, do you?
Local (L.A.) news radio reported this morning that the "hunter" built a
fire because he was lost. No mention of a flare gun, which is something
a hunter wouldn't be carrying.
I'll bet this "hunter" is just some dumbfuck with a rifle. I don't know
that it's even hunting season, or what it's hunting season for.
Dr. Carleton Bradley
emeral...@rcn.com says...
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:15:22 -0500 (EST), atl...@webtv.net (maryanne
> kehoe) wrote:
>
> >>There are 2 fires burning in San Diego too this >morning and man is it
> >creepy outside!
> >
> >
> >minutes ago and she said the fires are getting near where she is.
>
> Your alleged "friend" should have been hauling her alleged ass out of
> there instead of emailing a loafhead like you.
>
>
>
Considering how wide open and vulnerable America is to all sorts of
sabotage, I can't help but wonder if these fires might have been started
by terrorists.
Some want to attribute it to weather, but there could also be folks who
have an axe to grind involved also.
Im Heteph
Lady Taker
"Dr. Carleton Bradley" <carleton...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Considering how wide open and vulnerable America is to all sorts of
> sabotage, I can't help but wonder if these fires might have been started
> by terrorists.
Ah, geeeez. I knew someone would bring this up sooner or later. I'm
surprised it took this long, really.
Fire is nature's way of renewing forests. (I'd have thought a "Dr." would
have read enough books to know that.) Before man got here and put his little
mitts on the natural order of things -- and planted big combustable houses
in fire areas -- large forest fires were routine events to kill off old/over
growth and to refresh the landscape.
Terrorists like bigger returns for their efforts. 9/11 is more their style.
> Some want to attribute it to weather, but there could also be folks who
> have an axe to grind involved also.
Sure there were. Two (probably boozed to the nuts) white guys with some
flaming rivers of bourbon who wanted to see some fire. Like Frankenstein,
although probably not as intelligent, their motto is: "Fire good!"
Dr. Giselle (repeat after me, "Not everything is a conspiracy or
terrorism.")
r7di697
on the theory that terrorists are everywhere, especially among his own
citizens.
"Lady Taker" <vol...@ccrtc.com> wrote in message
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Lady Taker
champions) had been lost in the fires along with the owner's numerous cats.
The owner's are okay.
Giselle (is trying to be kind but is having a hard time with
this one)
Lady Taker
"Karen M" <itsk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'll bet this "hunter" is just some dumbfuck with a rifle. I don't know
> that it's even hunting season, or what it's hunting season for.
I think it's almost always SOME sort of hunting season. Right now in the
midwest it's red and grey fox and coyote season. When they're not blasting
away at those animals it's turkey (spring) or deer or squirrel season. And
then there's muzzle-loading, bow, dog running and firearms seasons, too,
which run at different times.
Giselle (then there's Ruffled Grouse, raccoons, oppossiums, Quail, pheasant,
crow, bull and green frog and, of course, rabbit season)
okerry
Me too. Even if the owners couldn't take the animals with them -- and maybe
they couldn't -- why would they not at least turn them loose and let them
take their chances, instead of leaving them locked up inside a house or a
kennel with the fire bearing down on them?
okerry
cy...@cycle.com
>Me too. Even if the owners couldn't take the animals with them -- and maybe
>they couldn't -- why would they not at least turn them loose and let them
>take their chances, instead of leaving them locked up inside a house or a
>kennel with the fire bearing down on them?
>okerry
>
>
Insurance. I betcha these insurance companies renege on every single
coverage policy they issued, much like they did after Hurricane
Andrew. Then it'll be up to the homeowner (who probably has nothing
left but a mortgage and a barren lot) to fight his or her way through
a lawsuit, for which they have no resources. And our elected leaders
want to sink $86 billion into Iraq? With the promise of Iraq repaying
the debt? What other countries have ever repaid the US? Japan is the
only one I can think of. Certainly none of the Euro-peeing countries
did so. And the US magnanimously forgave them the "loan."
Time for a clean sweep. The sooner, the better.
maryanne kehoe
insurance policy >they issued, much like they did after Hurricane
>Andrew.
Wasn't it State Farm that said after Andrew they wern't going to write
anymore homeowners insurance in Florida? They tried to pull that stunt
here in Georgia after some spring tornadoes we had several years ago.The
state Insurance Commissioner threated them (and about a dozen other
companies) that if they continued to do this, then they would see their
last days writing insurance in this state.
Karen M
"Lady Taker" <vol...@ccrtc.com> wrote:
One owner, and it's dog show photographer Rich Bergman who was at a show
100 miles away when the San Diego fires broke. He lost 5 whippets and 5
cats. He's not always the most patient photographer around (takes great
photos though), but he didn't just leave the animals to fend for
themselves.
Once things settle down and the soCal show dog community is able to
communicate effectively, we may have quite a few of these reports as
there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of kennel properties out in the
boonies where most of these fires started.
Karen
Kaiju
Karen M wrote:
> In article <vpt8ad5...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Lady Taker" <vol...@ccrtc.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I rec'd word last night that an entire kennel of Whippets (including several
>>champions) had been lost in the fires along with the owner's numerous cats.
>>The owner's are okay.
>>
>>Giselle (is trying to be kind but is having a hard time with
>>this one)
>
>
>
> One owner, and it's dog show photographer Rich Bergman who was at a show
> 100 miles away when the San Diego fires broke. He lost 5 whippets and 5
> cats. He's not always the most patient photographer around (takes great
> photos though), but he didn't just leave the animals to fend for
> themselves.
I'm glad you provided some facts here because all along I figured the
kennel owner wasn't in the area when the fires broke out and was thus
unable to save his animals. I seriously doubt any responsible animal
owner would just leave the animals out there to burn to death.
Seriously. Why assume this particular owner did?
> Once things settle down and the soCal show dog community is able to
> communicate effectively, we may have quite a few of these reports as
> there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of kennel properties out in the
> boonies where most of these fires started.
Unfortunately, this probably true.
Kaiju
--
"There are three types of deliberate falsehoods: lies, damned lies, and
salesmen's promises." -Anonymous
Kennebunk_Guy
Font of All Important Info
felt compelled by mysterious forces to say:
duck season!
--dez (needs some levity--it's grim out here)
...a pistol-hot cup of Dez...
"Chef of chicanery, your buns are mine!"
--the Tick
mslinda
Got any recipes for roadkill?
Linda C.
Big J
Otter
>> sabotage, I can't help but wonder if these fires might have been started
>> by terrorists.
>
>Ah, geeeez. I knew someone would bring this up sooner or later. I'm
>surprised it took this long, really.
See other thread where the FBI admits that a captured terrorist stated
that one of the plans was to set massive fires in severeal western
states.
And police are also looking for a white man seen starting one of the
fires (want to say he threw something out of this truck as he drove
past but can't find a specific quote).
>Dr. Giselle (repeat after me, "Not everything is a conspiracy or
>terrorism.")
I agree and while it's unlikely that this was a terrorist act, the
fact that there are *several* fires all around Southern California and
not just one give the idea more credibility.
-Otter
Lady Taker
"Kennebunk_Guy" <kenneb...@NOSHITSHERLOCKadelphia.net> wrote in message
news:6lfupv420sh2hcfaq...@4ax.com...
> I wonder how much the ozone layer will be effected by these fires?
Not only the ozone but the seasons. Remember, if you will, that the ash
layer in the atmosphere after Mt. St. Helena blew it's top caused the Year
Without a Summer.
Giselle (can never remember if it's St. Helen's or St. Helena so don't yell
at me)
Lady Taker
"Kaiju" <ka...@ecn.com> wrote:
> I'm glad you provided some facts here because all along I figured the
> kennel owner wasn't in the area when the fires broke out and was thus
> unable to save his animals. I seriously doubt any responsible animal
> owner would just leave the animals out there to burn to death.
> Seriously. Why assume this particular owner did?
I didn't assume that. I knew more of the backstory and didn't put it out
for privacy reasons. The problem I had with it was that so many animals
were left to die in fear and terror -- regardless of whether it was
intentional or not.
Giselle (who keeps neighbor's phone numbers in my wallet in case I have to
ask someone to go to my house and help my animals for whatever reason)
Lady Taker
Are you telling me in the history of fires (pre-terrorist) there have never
been screwy people just setting fires for fun??
Giselle (I give it NO credibility at all. sorry.)
Lady Taker
> Nancy Morphew, 51, died trying to save her horses.
I heard about her, too, and another person (also a horse owner) who's in ICU
with burns trying to do the same thing. So, please, someone who is out
there explain this, okay? What's happening that things are getting to this
point? Are people waiting too long to get out or are the fires that out of
control that they can't predict where they're going and surprising people?
Are people trying to get out and getting caught on the roads? How are the
owners dying alongside their animals?
Giselle (I ask that but that's where I would be, too, if push came to shove)
okerry
> >> sabotage, I can't help but wonder if these fires might have been
started
> >> by terrorists.
I don't think this is a nutty idea at all. I wondered the same thing
myself, considering how much chaos and destruction and financial loss these
fires are causing. Yes, terrorists prefer high death tolls, but look at how
many are willing to kill themselves just to take a handful of other people
with them. It's much easier to just toss a few matches out your car window
and watch half the state turn into hell on earth -- you don't even have to
blow your own self up.
okerry
maryanne kehoe
I think so....my friend out in San Diego County can see the fires "out
in the distance" yet local authorities are telling people there is no
need to pack up and leave.
Kaiju
Lady Taker wrote:
> "Kaiju" <ka...@ecn.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm glad you provided some facts here because all along I figured the
>>kennel owner wasn't in the area when the fires broke out and was thus
>>unable to save his animals. I seriously doubt any responsible animal
>>owner would just leave the animals out there to burn to death.
>>Seriously. Why assume this particular owner did?
>
>
> I didn't assume that.
You certainly didn't. That wasn't directed at you but the anonymous
"them" who were castigating that poor kennel owner.
> I knew more of the backstory and didn't put it out
> for privacy reasons. The problem I had with it was that so many animals
> were left to die in fear and terror -- regardless of whether it was
> intentional or not.
I have problems with that, myself.
> Giselle (who keeps neighbor's phone numbers in my wallet in case I have to
> ask someone to go to my house and help my animals for whatever reason)
I wish that kennel owner had had similar backup. :(
Kennebunk_Guy
wrote:
St. Helen's. Helena is where Napoleon spent one of his exiles.
StampNScrap1128
>in the distance" yet local authorities are telling people there is no
>need to pack up and leave.
I'd be packing up my car asap and heading out. Forget what the local
authorities are saying.
E Varden
The most evil and opportunistic insurers I have heard about are
State Farm and Allstate.
A guy with a nickname had his policy cancelled as a "risk" (he was
an Episcopalian priest). Another had his policy cancelled because
he had Italianate nude sculptues in his garden (marble). "Not of
good character".
There's a plethora of their ugly rationales for kicking people out
and into the "assigned risk" market.
Pe
maryanne kehoe
I've had Allstate as my auto insurer for the past 15 years and have had
good service and my rates are reasonable (no-claim and good driver
discounts.) While I was overseas for 3 months this summer, they put my
insurance in "abeyance' (still insured, just not driving the car) for a
total of $50 for the whole summer. I couldn't cancel the insurance, as
that would ended up suspending my license in Georgia (state law requires
insurance companies to notify the state if auto insurance is canelled
for non-payment or cancelled for other means and no further insurance
put on the car.)
O/T Insurers Re: **OT** SoCal fires
Group: alt.gossip.celebrities Date: Thu, Oct 30, 2003, 4:21am From:
jp...@munge.vif.com (E Varden)
Luis & Jeannette
Luis & Jeannette
Karen M
"Lady Taker" <vol...@ccrtc.com> wrote:
> "Kaiju" <ka...@ecn.com> wrote:
> > I'm glad you provided some facts here because all along I figured the
> > kennel owner wasn't in the area when the fires broke out and was thus
> > unable to save his animals. I seriously doubt any responsible animal
> > owner would just leave the animals out there to burn to death.
> > Seriously. Why assume this particular owner did?
>
> I didn't assume that.
But it sounded like you did.
> I knew more of the backstory and didn't put it out
> for privacy reasons.
He's been very public with his loss. I haven't been to the dog groups,
but I'm sure it's there.
> The problem I had with it was that so many animals
> were left to die in fear and terror -- regardless of whether it was
> intentional or not.
These particular animals weren't "left to die"; they were left like
they'd been left every weekend of the local dog show calendar while
"Dad" went to work. It's not his fault.
Karen
Otter
wrote:
>Are you telling me in the history of fires (pre-terrorist) there have never
>been screwy people just setting fires for fun??
No, I'm saying that if the FBI heard from a captured terrorist that
one of the plans is to set massive fires in several western states and
then, a few months later, we have four massive fires start at the same
time around Southern California then the idea bears some credibility.
Tho I again stress that it's unlikely.
Here's an article:
http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20031029-084552-2540r.htm
At this writing, wildfires in California have taken 15 lives and
more than 1,000 homes. This is already the most expensive fire in
California history, and it is still blazing out of control.
What if the fires were deliberately set, by al Qaeda terrorists?
This is purely conjecture, but the idea apparently has occurred to
al Qaeda.
On June 25, the FBI's regional office in Denver sent a memorandum
to state and local law enforcement agencies warning them of a plot to
start forest fires in the western United States using timed incendiary
devices.
The FBI learned of the plot from a senior al Qaeda detainee, who
told investigators he had developed a plan to set forest fires in
Colorado, Montana, Utah and Wyoming.
"The detainee believed that significant damage to the U.S. economy
would result and once it was realized that the fires were terrorist
acts, U.S. citizens would put pressure on the U.S. government to
change its policies," said the FBI memo, a copy of which was obtained
by the Arizona Republic.
There has been no official determination of what started the
fires, which most likely are the product of natural causes, or of
accidents. But a news report indicated that the sheriff's department
in San Bernardino County is seeking two men, both about 20, who were
seen on a road north of San Bernardino on Saturday. "A witness saw one
occupant throw something into roadside brush that started a fire and
the van then made a U-turn and fled, officials said."
{snip]
-Otter
Lady Taker
"Karen M" <itsk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:itskarenm-3DB2E...@daffy.sb.west.net...
> In article <vpvgh98...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Lady Taker" <vol...@ccrtc.com> wrote:
>
> > "Kaiju" <ka...@ecn.com> wrote:
> > > I'm glad you provided some facts here because all along I figured the
> > > kennel owner wasn't in the area when the fires broke out and was thus
> > > unable to save his animals. I seriously doubt any responsible animal
> > > owner would just leave the animals out there to burn to death.
> > > Seriously. Why assume this particular owner did?
> >
> > I didn't assume that.
>
> But it sounded like you did.
You ASSUMED wrong.
>
> > I knew more of the backstory and didn't put it out
> > for privacy reasons.
>
> He's been very public with his loss. I haven't been to the dog groups,
> but I'm sure it's there.
I'm not in California and it's not on the news here, dear.
> > The problem I had with it was that so many animals
> > were left to die in fear and terror -- regardless of whether it was
> > intentional or not.
>
> These particular animals weren't "left to die";
Since they ARE dead, that's exactly what happened. I'm not sure how you
could claim differently.
>they were left like
> they'd been left every weekend of the local dog show calendar while
> "Dad" went to work. It's not his fault.
>
>
> Karen
Left alone for an entire weekend? <eyebrow arch>
Giselle (if those were human kids he'd be arrested for that, no?)
edonline
"Luis & Jeannette" <snaga...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:22300-3F...@storefull-2194.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> Did halle Berry breakup with her boyfriend,because of Britney.
>
Are you a complete idiot?
*PLONK*
Karen M
"Lady Taker" <vol...@ccrtc.com> wrote:
> "Karen M" <itsk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:itskarenm-3DB2E...@daffy.sb.west.net...
> >
> > But it sounded like you did.
>
> You ASSUMED wrong.
>
*I* didn't assume anything. I'm just telling you what your tone sounded
like to me: accusatory.
>
> I'm not in California and it's not on the news here, dear.
Well it's not exactly on the evening news, here. It IS, at Rich's
request, making the rounds of the show dog e-mail lists; and no one, at
least not on the few lists I'm on, is criticizing him for not being at
home. Dear.
>
> > > The problem I had with it was that so many animals
> > > were left to die in fear and terror -- regardless of whether it was
> > > intentional or not.
> >
> > These particular animals weren't "left to die";
>
> Since they ARE dead, that's exactly what happened. I'm not sure how you
> could claim differently.
He didn't leave them behind as in "Gee, the flames are closing in. I'm
outta here. You dogs are on your own." When he left he had no idea that
some dumbfuck would set a fire that would spread further faster than any
fire anyone remembers, and that that fire would consume his home. He
didn't INTEND the dogs to die, which would be my interpretation of "left
behind to die".
> Left alone for an entire weekend? <eyebrow arch>
I have no idea what his usual dog-sitting plans are. I doubt he'd leave
the dogs completely alone for the three and four day stretches that he
often works. Maybe he makes the often 100+ mile drive home after each
show day. Maybe the kennel help couldn't get past law enforcement. I
dunno. Doesn't really matter, now.
> (if those were human kids he'd be arrested for that, no?)
Probably. Of course, his ex probably would've have custody on the
weekends, so it's rather a moot point.
Karen