How's that Scientology working out for you, John? Travolta's 16-year-old son Jett dies
Taylor
being imperfect in the eyes of Scientologist, lead to absolutely no
treatment for him.
---
John Travolta's Son Dies
Filed under: John Travolta > R.I.P. > 50 Cent
John Travolta's son, 16-year-old Jett, died today, Friday.
Jett died while the family was on vacation in the Bahamas.
While circumstances surrounding the death are unknown, it can be
surmised that it has something to do with Kawasaki disease, from which
Jett reportedly suffered.
Not much is understood about Kawasaki disease, which is a condition
that affects many parts of the body. It affects mostly boys under the
age of 5. Its greatest complications are cardiac, which often lead to
heart attack, even in children.
Our hearts go out to the Travolta family.
[Image via WENN.]
Posted: January 2, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Alan Hope
>Jet was long-rumoured to have been Autistic, although the shame of
>being imperfect in the eyes of Scientologist, lead to absolutely no
>treatment for him.
That's okay, there is no treatment for autism.
syvyn11
"Taylor" <desperate...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jet was long-rumoured to have been Autistic, although the shame of
> being imperfect in the eyes of Scientologist, lead to absolutely no
> treatment for him.
I sincerly hope that there is some sort of investigation and that Travolta's
perfect (fake) little world, along that with the Cult of $cientology, goes
down in flames.
Taylor (taylor.taylor@gmail.com)
ddc...@yahoo.com
> "Taylor" <desperatehousewi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
When things go bad JC never gets the blame; there is
no way that L. Ronnie Hubbard is gonna take the fall
for this situation.
CliffB
Sadly, this answers the 1'st celeb passing of '09 thread.
syvyn11
"Alan Hope" <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Taylor goes:
>
>>Jet was long-rumoured to have been Autistic, although the shame of
>>being imperfect in the eyes of Scientologist, lead to absolutely no
>>treatment for him.
>
> That's okay, there is no treatment for autism.
according to new members Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey, there is.
VITAMINS!!!!!
Get it from your LRon distributor TODAY!
or
Get punished by xeni.
>
>
> --
> AH
> http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
Taylor
> Jet was long-rumoured to have been Autistic, although the shame of
> being imperfect in the eyes of Scientologist, lead to absolutely no
> treatment for him.
>
>
> John Travolta's Son Dies
> Filed under: John Travolta > R.I.P. > 50 Cent
>
> John Travolta's son, 16-year-old Jett, died today, Friday.
>
> Jett died while the family was on vacation in the Bahamas.
>
> While circumstances surrounding the death are unknown, it can be
> surmised that it has something to do with Kawasaki disease, from which
> Jett reportedly suffered.
>
> Not much is understood about Kawasaki disease, which is a condition
> that affects many parts of the body. It affects mostly boys under the
> age of 5. Its greatest complications are cardiac, which often lead to
> heart attack, even in children.
>
> Our hearts go out to the Travolta family.
>
"Even as Scientology comes under assault from outside forces, it is
also, say former members, bleeding from within. "I see more and more
people leaving and willing to speak," says Tory Christman, who worked
in the Office of Special Affairs for 20 years and says she spent more
than $200,000 on Scientology courses before dropping out in 2000.
Christman left—or "blew," in Scientology parlance—because she has
epilepsy and wasn't permitted to take medication for it; psychiatric
and neurological drugs are a serious no-no. But after two decades of
working her way up the Bridge, she was forced to confront the fact
that even L. Ron Hubbard could not cure epilepsy. [...]"
Sound familiar?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000237/board/thread/126625065?d=126628656&p=2#126628656
Taylor (taylor.taylor@gmail.com)
allegedly had Kawasaki disease and his name was Jett, they seem to
think (((he died while riding a Kawasaki jet ski))). They're saying
"they should really sue Kawasaki." and "those things are dangerous.".
Tsk.
It looks like we have another Mama Cass Elliot "choked to death on a
ham sandwich" urban legend born.
SoCally
Have some sympathy people!
SoCally
> according to new members Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey, there is.
> VITAMINS!!!!!
?
They aren't Scientogists are they?
Taylor (taylor.taylor@gmail.com)
> It's pretty pathetic to use a kid's death to slam his parents.
>
> Have some sympathy people!
You ever see that TV movie about the Jehovah's Witness parents who
refused to let their child have a life-saving blood transfusion and
the child died? Check it out.
syvyn11
"SoCally" <foa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It's pretty pathetic to use a kid's death to slam his parents.
>
> Have some sympathy people!
I've got sympathy. I have sympathy for a child who had a learning
disablility and was DENIED treatment by his 'loving' parents because of a
nutty cult.
>
>
syvyn11
They were heavily recurited by Tom Cruise. And the vitamins shtick fits
the Co$.
Laurie Mann
Scientologists, but I agree with the folks uptopic who said it's a
pretty sick thing to mock parents over a child's death.
It's unlikely that Scientology had anything to do with the kid's
death. However, it doesn't sound like Kawasaki Disease is generally
fatal (the heart disease Web site says it's fatal about 1% of the
time).
Frankly, if I were to put money on this, I'd wonder about drugs. The
kid was 16. That's almost more likely than an unusual but rarely
fatal disease.
David
syvyn11
"Laurie Mann" <laurie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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sorry, but as one who was dianosed with Asperger Syndrome at 38, I curse any
parents who won't help their child with autism, even my own. My parents
'excuse' was that they were so busy hating each other, they didn't have time
for my problems.
>
牛魔王
"Reuters reports that Jett suffered a seizure at the Old Bahama Bay
Hotel on Grand Bahama Island. A spokeswoman for the local police said
Jett banged his head on a bathtub Friday morning. The family's
attorney, Michael Ossi, said that attempts were made to revive him,
but he died at the scene."
I knew that kid would die early with his idiot parents ignoring his
disease. In a perfect world, they'd be brought up on charges for this
neglect. But they won't be.
Alic...@gmail.com
=======
who wooda guessed this
as the 1st 'celebrity' to die
in 2008? ..... nobody did
we'll try again next yr
Alic...@gmail.com
=======
nobody guessed
so u won't need to perform this
yr Cliffy .....save up for next yr
ya never know
Dr. Alex Metzger
You do not have Asperger syndrome. You are not autistic. You are not
some sort of magical savant like Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man.
You're just a fat loser looking for an excuse, just like 90% of all
supposed "Aspies".
SoCally
> >> VITAMINS!!!!!
>
> > ?
>
> > They aren't Scientogists are they?
>
> They were heavily recurited by Tom Cruise. And the vitamins shtick fits
> the Co$.
So people who believe in vitamins are all Scientologists? Jenny's
whole thing about autism has to do with vaccinations and diet. Her son
had candida. Once she got rid of that by changing his diet, his autism
symptoms were gone.
I don't think she or Jim are Scientologists. I'm sure Tom Cruise tries
to suck up to many people, it doesn't mean they all convert.
moor...@yahoo.com
> I'm not much of a fan of Travolta or Preston, I don't like
> Scientologists, but I agree with the folks uptopic who said it's a
> pretty sick thing to mock parents over a child's death.
>
> It's unlikely that Scientology had anything to do with the kid's
> death. However, it doesn't sound like Kawasaki Disease is generally
> fatal (the heart disease Web site says it's fatal about 1% of the
> time).
>
If he actually had Kawasaki disease and if his seizure could actually
be traced to it, you might be right. Like a lot of people I'm
completely skeptical that he ever did, and if he did it shouldn't be
causing seizures years later.
If he had a known seizure disorder, which given the outcome sounds
pretty likely, then you can bet because of their stupid religion the
Travolta prevented his treatment for it. Sounds like when the
seizures showed up they got stuck on KD as the diagnosis and never
moved past it. I'm with those that think if there's evidence out
there that he had a seizure disorder and didn't get appropriate
treatment for it, the parents should be held responsible.
The fact that some people are taking a mocking tone in discussing this
doesn't mean the point is to mock the grieving; the point is to
suggest that there should be an investigation into whether the parents
withheld treatment and thus caused their child's death. If they did,
I feel sorry for them for being idiots, but I think they should be
held responsible for it.
(It sounds to me like the autism rumor can be explained by people
seeing obvious developmental impairment--which untreated recurrent
seizures can cause--and putting the name of the disease du jour on
it. It never made sense to me, because there's no reason Scientology
would object to therapy for autism--standard therapy does not involve
psych drugs unless there are concomitant psychiatric/neurologic
problems.)
Eliza
moor...@yahoo.com
Oh, and I forgot to mention--I think the drug theory is unlikely. He
apparently was quite obviously seriously developmentally impaired, so
I doubt he was out on the party circuit.
Eliza
S. Fu
> ...but as one who was dianosed with Asperger Syndrome at 38...
Right now I'm biting my tongue so hard...
Twitchell
moor...@yahoo.com says...
>
>On Jan 2, 5:42=A0pm, Laurie Mann <laurieman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm not much of a fan of Travolta or Preston, I don't like
>> Scientologists, but I agree with the folks uptopic who said it's a
>> pretty sick thing to mock parents over a child's death.
>>
>> It's unlikely that Scientology had anything to do with the kid's
>> fatal (the heart disease Web site says it's fatal about 1% of the
>> time).
>>
>> kid was 16. =A0That's almost more likely than an unusual but rarely
>> fatal disease.
>
>Oh, and I forgot to mention--I think the drug theory is unlikely. He
>apparently was quite obviously seriously developmentally impaired, so
>I doubt he was out on the party circuit.
>
>Eliza
John Travolta's son Jett dies in Bahamas
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24867997-36235,00.html
JOHN Travolta's 16-year-old son has died after an accident at the movie star's
holiday home.
---> Jett Travolta reportedly hit his head in a bathtub on New Year's Day. <---
Police told the Associated Press he was declared dead at a hospital in the
Bahamas.
Family lawyer Michael Ossi said Jett suffered a seizure at the family property
at the Old Bahama Bay Hotel on Grand Bahama Island.
Attempts were made to revive him, but he died at the scene, he said.
The teenager had a history of seizures. Preston has said her son suffered from
Kawasaki disease, which can lead to heart problems for some children.
Jett was the oldest child of Travolta and actress Kelly Preston. They also have
an eight-year-old daughter.
A spokeswoman for Rand Memorial Hospital on Grand Bahama Island could not
comment for privacy reasons.
Bluuuue Rajah
Kris Baker
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Eliza
----------------------------
Yup. Here's a picture of the family, about 6 weeks ago:
http://www.accesshollywood.com/john-travolta_gallery_905
Notice he's being led by both hands.
Kris
Laurie Mann
> > <moor4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > On Jan 2, 5:42 pm, Laurie Mann <laurieman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Frankly, if I were to put money on this, I'd wonder about drugs. The
> > > kid was 16. That's almost more likely than an unusual but rarely
> > > fatal disease.
> > Oh, and I forgot to mention--I think the drug theory is unlikely. He
> > apparently was quite obviously seriously developmentally impaired, so
> > I doubt he was out on the party circuit.
I didn't realize that, but it's been a few years since I've seen a
photo of him or his sister in public.
> Yup. Here's a picture of the family, about 6 weeks ago:
> http://www.accesshollywood.com/john-travolta_gallery_905
> Notice he's being led by both hands.
You're right.
I'm probably wrong about the possible drug use and I apologize for my
earlier speculation.
Kris Baker
You're right.
------------------------------------------
It's the natural thing to speculate about, if you haven't heard
of the child's problems (which few actually did know about).
Kris
Taylor
> Taylor's New Year's resolution: Be even crueler!
Not cruel; just a realist. If negligent parenting can be blamed for a
child's danger and/or death, it should be noted and the parents
shouldn't be allowed to bury their heads in the sand. Like Jennifer
Hudson's 7-year-old son Julian King. Outright criminal negligent
parenting lead to his homicide (his grandma, his uncle, his mom and
dad to blame).
I think the true litmus test is how crazy has John and Kelly gone.
Scientology's rules didn't allow them to seek the proper avenue of
treatment for their son, and from what we know about their rules,
dramatically contributed to his death rather than not. If Travolta
sees the light and says "My, goodness, what are we doing here,
Kelly??!!", then there's still a chance for him. But if he doesn't
denounce this faux religion as the cult that it is and accepts "It was
Ron's will (instead of God's will).", then he's truly, truly lost, and
I'd say the only true victim was poor Jett.
Taylor
No. Jenny (who DID mutilate her son, despite KNOWING better!) and Jim
aren't Scientologist. They're just parents of autistic kids who are
fighting (treating?) it via vitamins.
If you ever saw the movie 1979 TV-movie "Sun-Rise: A Miracle Of Love",
you'll see a before-its-time treatment of autism using a special diet.
It's quite a remarkable movie. There's many methods out there and Jim
and Jenny think they've found theirs.
pongespob
> But if he doesn't
> denounce this faux religion as the cult that it is
"Faux religion" is a redundancy. Apparently you fancy your favorite
irrational fairy tale as being superior to $cientology?
Taylor
But I'm an atheist. It's kind of a complicated puzzle to complete that
sentence and say I accept "x, y and z" as believable religions, but
not Scientology (...but it's the case). Madonna's fucking kooky faux-
Jewish religion (and fatass Perez Hilton's butt kissing towards it
because he's PAID to worship whatever Madonna does *by* Madonna's P.R.
people) is another one that irks, besides Scientology.
I agree with your statement about redundancy and fairytales.
polar
A few media sources have shown photos from that
same occasion - in Paris 11/08, Jett holding hands
walking with both parents - and in one of the other
photos, Jett's face is seen more clearly.
At the time the photo was taken, Jett is either
very sleepy or in some kind of daze, not unlike the
blank look of retarded people. I'm not dissing the
mentally retarded but don't know how to otherwise
describe the look on Jett's face.
Whatever happened, however it happened, this is sad
and tragic and I hope the John and Kelly Travolta
can find some peace.
lidsvillenine
> It's pretty pathetic to use a kid's death to slam his parents.
>
> Have some sympathy people!
This is PRECISELY the time to slam such parents.
Kathy
As I recall, the "Son-Rise" parents devised a plan where someone was
down on the floor with their child for nearly every waking moment,
mimicking his actions (plate-spinning, for one) in an attempt to connect
with him.
Kathy
Laurie Mann
> Have you seen this kid growing up? I'm not a reference, but I never knew what he
> looked like before yesterday. I never heard of him doing this or that, going
> this place or that other, having fun at Disneyland or whatever. It's like he
> existed only in name, for 16 years. Did they hide him all this time or what?
Not everyone in Hollywood is constantly photographed with their kids.
I remember seeing Jett and Ella photographed in public from time to
time, but not all that often. Some parents try to give their kids a
little more privacy.
Whatever was wrong with Jett, he did get out from time to time and
wasn't hidden away.
Laurie
Lumpy
>
> sorry, but as one who was dianosed with Asperger Syndrome at 38,
OH COME ON!
How much of your federal welfare disability check did they charge you
to come up with that corker? Or is it paid under Medicaid? Do you get
a whole new raft of drugs to take for that diagnosis? America. Pretty
soon, the only people working and paying taxes will be the illegal
aliens. Ten Mexican families working at shit jobs so this dildo can
sit in his mother's basement and write to gossip groups about his
Assburger's Syndrome.
moor...@yahoo.com
They don't give drug for Asberger's. People with Asperger's are also
usually able to work --and can be quite successful--in well-chosen
fields, so I doubt he's getting disability unless it's for another
diagnosis.
Eliza
salo...@aol.com
> Taylor goes:
>
> >Jet was long-rumoured to have been Autistic, although the shame of
> >being imperfect in the eyes of Scientologist, lead to absolutely no
> >treatment for him.
>
>
> --
> AHhttp://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
Probably the same way Christianity works for the rest of you jackasses
who has a child die. So what if the kid wasn't treated for Autism?
Same as the idiots who refuse medical treatment for their children
saying that God will heal them.
This is a tragedy. While I'm on the subject, YOU are also a tragedy
and it pisses me off that you're allowed to breathe my air.
syvyn11
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Eliza
correct.
seastew
The treatment options for seizure disorder/epilepsy involves
neurologic drugs, which can address the rerouting of brain circuitry
and make corrections. In $cientology, any drugs that address the brain
are a big 'no-no'.
What concerns me is that the Travoltas probably went through a $cieno
approved doc and the Travoltas truly believe whatever that doc said to
them about their son. Whoever has been providing this kid's medical
care should also be investigated as well.
seastew
From what is said about this horrible fake-religion/multi-level
marketing scheme, members are audited and divulge their deepest
secrets. Scieno apparently keeps very detailed records of what is said
during these sessions. Maybe members, especially those in the public
eye, don't leave because of the potential for these secrets being
released to the public?
Larc
wrote:
Who cares? Everybody knows they are kooks to start with. Nobody else would
ever get involved with Scientology.
Larc
moor...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Was that supposed to be in response to me? I well know how seizures
are treated. My post about lack of pharmaceutical treatment options
was regarding Asperger's, an entirely different matter.
I agree with you about the doc, if there was one. And I feel sorry
for the Travoltas for any delusion they may have experienced because
of their religion--but that doesn't mean they're not ultimately
responsible for making choices about their son's care.
Eliza
george
> They don't give drug for Asberger's. People with Asperger's are also
> usually able to work --and can be quite successful--in well-chosen
> fields, so I doubt he's getting disability unless it's for another
> diagnosis.
>
> Eliza
>
> correct.
Don't batshit crazy parents qualify as a disability ?
If not they should
R H Draney
>
>On Jan 4, 6:31=A0am, "syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> They don't give drug for Asberger's. =A0People with Asperger's are also
>> usually able to work --and can be quite successful--in well-chosen
>> fields, so I doubt he's getting disability unless it's for another
>> diagnosis.
>>
>> Eliza
>>
>> correct.
>
>Don't batshit crazy parents qualify as a disability ?
>If not they should
Great...*more* subsidies for Britney and Lindsay....r
--
"You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!"
"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!"
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>From what is said about this horrible fake-religion/multi-level
>marketing scheme, members are audited and divulge their deepest
>secrets. Scieno apparently keeps very detailed records of what is said
>during these sessions. Maybe members, especially those in the public
>eye, don't leave because of the potential for these secrets being
>released to the public?
that's pretty much it.
--dez
...a pistol-hot cup of Dez...
"Chef of chicanery, your buns are mine!"
--the Tick
JonesieCat
"syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Many individuals with Asberger's have other conditions as well which are
certainly treated with medications. While there is no drug to treat
Asberger's specifically, often a multi-pronged treatment approach is in
order. This often does include medications, depending on the patient's
constellation of symptoms. High functioning Asberger's people, in the old
days, just didn't get diagnosed, apparently like the poster up a couple of
posts. Just like Adult ADD is getting diagnosed much more these days too.
jc
syvyn11
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_________________________________________________
They don't, but I had them anyway.
JonesieCat
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On Jan 2, 5:42 pm, Laurie Mann <laurieman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not much of a fan of Travolta or Preston, I don't like
> Scientologists, but I agree with the folks uptopic who said it's a
> pretty sick thing to mock parents over a child's death.
>
> It's unlikely that Scientology had anything to do with the kid's
> death. However, it doesn't sound like Kawasaki Disease is generally
> fatal (the heart disease Web site says it's fatal about 1% of the
> time).
>
If he actually had Kawasaki disease and if his seizure could actually
be traced to it, you might be right. Like a lot of people I'm
completely skeptical that he ever did, and if he did it shouldn't be
causing seizures years later.
If he had a known seizure disorder, which given the outcome sounds
pretty likely, then you can bet because of their stupid religion the
Travolta prevented his treatment for it. Sounds like when the
seizures showed up they got stuck on KD as the diagnosis and never
moved past it. I'm with those that think if there's evidence out
there that he had a seizure disorder and didn't get appropriate
treatment for it, the parents should be held responsible.
The fact that some people are taking a mocking tone in discussing this
doesn't mean the point is to mock the grieving; the point is to
suggest that there should be an investigation into whether the parents
withheld treatment and thus caused their child's death. If they did,
I feel sorry for them for being idiots, but I think they should be
held responsible for it.
(It sounds to me like the autism rumor can be explained by people
seeing obvious developmental impairment--which untreated recurrent
seizures can cause--and putting the name of the disease du jour on
it. It never made sense to me, because there's no reason Scientology
would object to therapy for autism--standard therapy does not involve
psych drugs unless there are concomitant psychiatric/neurologic
problems.)
Eliza
==
It has never made sense to me either. Whether the child had Autism or Autism
Spectrum or whatever, it is not a psychological or psychiatric disease per
se. Now in the cocktails of drugs some of these folks find useful, there is
sometimes an overlap of what one might call psych drugs, maybe (depending on
the patient and the dr's plan of treatment), to assist in controlling severe
behavioural problems. However, if they wanted to forego those, there would
still medications acceptable to Scientologists re seizures. Btw, from
looking at the pics, and the kid's size at age 16 and the handholding by
both parents - I'm thinking he had full blown autism (not spectrum) AND had
a debilitating illness at age 2. AND - he may indeed have received treatment
for seizures and STILL had a bad one in which his head got smashed in the
bathroom. Some children grow out of their seizures, and maybe his parents
and even his drs thought he had as well - and discontinued his meds. Who
knows? Sometimes an accident is just an accident.
jc (and I am NOT a fan of L-Ron and that crowd)
JonesieCat
"Taylor" <desperate...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 2, 4:16 pm, Taylor <desperatehousewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jet was long-rumoured to have been Autistic, although the shame of
> being imperfect in the eyes of Scientologist, lead to absolutely no
> treatment for him.
>
>
> John Travolta's Son Dies
> Filed under: John Travolta > R.I.P. > 50 Cent
>
> John Travolta's son, 16-year-old Jett, died today, Friday.
>
> Jett died while the family was on vacation in the Bahamas.
>
> While circumstances surrounding the death are unknown, it can be
> surmised that it has something to do with Kawasaki disease, from which
> Jett reportedly suffered.
>
> Not much is understood about Kawasaki disease, which is a condition
> that affects many parts of the body. It affects mostly boys under the
> age of 5. Its greatest complications are cardiac, which often lead to
> heart attack, even in children.
>
> Our hearts go out to the Travolta family.
>
"Even as Scientology comes under assault from outside forces, it is
also, say former members, bleeding from within. "I see more and more
people leaving and willing to speak," says Tory Christman, who worked
in the Office of Special Affairs for 20 years and says she spent more
than $200,000 on Scientology courses before dropping out in 2000.
Christman left—or "blew," in Scientology parlance—because she has
epilepsy and wasn't permitted to take medication for it; psychiatric
and neurological drugs are a serious no-no. But after two decades of
working her way up the Bridge, she was forced to confront the fact
that even L. Ron Hubbard could not cure epilepsy. [...]"
Sound familiar?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000237/board/thread/126625065?d=126628656&p=2#126628656
> [Image via WENN.]
>
> Posted: January 2, 2009 at 3:59 pm
>
> http://www.tmz.com/2009/01/02/john-travoltas-son-dies/
>
> 5195203...@msg.telus.com
Wow. So Scientology has investigated all meds? and disallows any they deem
as influencing the brain in any way?? Ultimately wouldn't that rule out
nearly everthing...? Oh dear.
jc
JonesieCat
"Taylor" <lukeb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 2, 5:49 pm, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Taylor's New Year's resolution: Be even crueler!
Not cruel; just a realist. If negligent parenting can be blamed for a
child's danger and/or death, it should be noted and the parents
shouldn't be allowed to bury their heads in the sand. Like Jennifer
Hudson's 7-year-old son Julian King. Outright criminal negligent
========
Jennifer Hudson has no children, so your assertion that she's a negligent
parent is silly. That boy was her nephew and JH was not raising him.
jc
JonesieCat
>
> "SoCally" <foa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:82e38281-6289-4f87...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> It's pretty pathetic to use a kid's death to slam his parents.
>>
>> Have some sympathy people!
>
> disablility and was DENIED treatment by his 'loving' parents because of a
> nutty cult.
Well, if that's what they did, deny Jett treatment which could have made his
life more comfortable - and which might ultimately have saved his life - of
course that requires investigation. But it isn't clear to me why people
believe his parents withheld medical treatment? Is it because of the
parents' Scientology membership? TCruise touts Scientology all the time, but
I haven't seen Travolta doing that lately. Is it a sure thing he's still
into it, and also that he conformed to their "rules" with regard to Jett's
health?
And I guess Scientology doesn't have any rules about big sloppy lip-kisses
between big beefy men with bad hair. Huh. Who knew?
jc
Taylor
> "Taylor" <lukebenw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f2b191e1-d9ce-4a6f...@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 2, 5:49 pm, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Taylor's New Year's resolution: Be even crueler!
>
> Not cruel; just a realist. If negligent parenting can be blamed for a
> child's danger and/or death, it should be noted and the parents
> shouldn't be allowed to bury their heads in the sand. Like Jennifer
> Hudson's 7-year-old son Julian King. Outright criminal negligent
> ========
> Jennifer Hudson has no children, so your assertion that she's a negligent
> parent is silly. That boy was her nephew and JH was not raising him.
>
the Chicago house and the dad who'd drift in and out, were all crim|
inally negligent. Julian was the true victim. Jennifer's a victim
because her dirtbag relatives (not the mama, though; but she condoned
it) were wiped out. Jennifer was smart to get the hell as far away
from that seedy den.
牛魔王
> approved doc and the Travoltas truly believe whatever that doc said to
> them about their son. Whoever has been providing this kid's medical
> care should also be investigated as well.
Somebody already mentioned this I think, but the Scientology quacks
had convinced the Travoltas that Jett was suffering simply because of
carpet fibers.
牛魔王
TRAVOLTA FAMILY TRAVESTY: Wild Hogs Star Gives own Autistic Son the
Silent Treatment - May 10, 2007
Hollywood's latest global warming expert John Travolta recently sent a
chill through the Florida neighborhood where he parks his beloved
private jets.
Tim and Patricia Kenny, proud parents of a 4 year-old autistic girl,
believe that it might be time for Child Protective Services to look
into John Travolta and wife Kelly's negligence in acknowledging their
son Jett's reported autism.
"I don't think it's a stretch to call their treatment of Jett child
abuse," Ocala, Florida restaurant manager Tim Kenny tells Hollywood,
Interrupted. Kenny claims he met Travolta at his restaurant in
February, and, after "comping" the movie star and his daughter a meal
per restaurant policy for celebrities, he asked him, "as one autistic
child's father to another," if he "was doing anything special in terms
of therapy" for Jett. Aghast, Travolta responded, "Well, we involve
him in the arts." Then, he offered to send Kenny a book, and high-
tailed it out of the restaurant.
"If I ever received a Scientology book from him [Travolta], I'd find
him, and throw it back at him," says Kenny. "Scientology is keeping
him from acknowledging his son's autism. They see it as a weakness.
That's what the space aliens are telling him I guess."
Joking aside, the Kennys are "disgusted by" Travolta. They claim that
Travolta has turned down invitations to participate in autism
fundraisers, and most recently refused to participate in a local
celebrity golf tournament if a connection to autism advocacy was
promoted. The organizers of the charity tournament scheduled at the
Golden Hills Country Club in November are alleged to have changed the
billing from an autism event to the more generic "fundraiser for
disabled children" to accommodate the star. Calls to event organizer,
the Family Resources Coalition, were not returned by post time.
The Kennys also claim that Kelly and John "let Jett sit in front of
video games all day eating junk food, while they eat the best organic
food money can buy. They exclude Jett from all social events because
they are embarrassed."
"Once," reports Kenny, "when Kelly took him to the movies, Jett
started to have a meltdown and Kelly pointed at the nanny and ordered,
'Take care of it.'"
"Jett does not speak at all," confirms Kenny. "He has not even been
taught how to communicate. We struggle every week to pay for our
daughter's therapy. How dare he [Travolta] ruin his own son's chances
of recovering! We want to get the word out on this."
syvyn11
"JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:V82dnf6zk8E0DMPU...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> "SoCally" <foa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:82e38281-6289-4f87...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>> It's pretty pathetic to use a kid's death to slam his parents.
>>>
>>> Have some sympathy people!
>>
>> I've got sympathy. I have sympathy for a child who had a learning
>> disablility and was DENIED treatment by his 'loving' parents because of a
>> nutty cult.
>
> Well, if that's what they did, deny Jett treatment which could have made
> his life more comfortable - and which might ultimately have saved his
> life - of course that requires investigation. But it isn't clear to me why
> people believe his parents withheld medical treatment? Is it because of
> the parents' Scientology membership? TCruise touts Scientology all the
> time, but I haven't seen Travolta doing that lately. Is it a sure thing
> he's still into it, and also that he conformed to their "rules" with
> regard to Jett's health?
Yes, because Travolta is deep in the church (so deep you can't get out).
Let's just say it's a bitch having them cover up his gayness.
>
> And I guess Scientology doesn't have any rules about big sloppy lip-kisses
> between big beefy men with bad hair. Huh. Who knew?
ask L Ron Hubbard.
>
> jc
>
moor...@yahoo.com
> <moor4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I don't think he had autism at all; I don't see any reason to think
so. The rumors to me can be accounted for by the fact that he had
communication problems due to a severe developmental disability, and
autism was the developmental disability that people who saw him knew
the most about, because it's all over the news. So my guess is they
just stuck that word on him because it was one they knew. ("He acts
just like that kid at the end of St. Elsewhere!")
And no, there's no anti-seizure med that Scientology would approve.
That's the reason some of us are assuming he didn't get any.
Eliza
moor...@yahoo.com
> "syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:LPKdnYt0vOxIPcLU...@earthlink.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > <moor4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
No one said people with Asberger's don't take any medication. They
don't take medication to treat the Asberger's per se. Of course they
can have other concomitant problems that medication will address.
Eliza
moor...@yahoo.com
> "syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:V82dnf6zk8E0DMPU...@earthlink.com...
>
>
>
> > "SoCally" <foaa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:82e38281-6289-4f87...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> >> It's pretty pathetic to use a kid's death to slam his parents.
>
> >> Have some sympathy people!
>
> > I've got sympathy. I have sympathy for a child who had a learning
> > disablility and was DENIED treatment by his 'loving' parents because of a
> > nutty cult.
>
> Well, if that's what they did, deny Jett treatment which could have made his
> life more comfortable - and which might ultimately have saved his life - of
> course that requires investigation. But it isn't clear to me why people
> believe his parents withheld medical treatment? Is it because of the
> parents' Scientology membership? TCruise touts Scientology all the time, but
> I haven't seen Travolta doing that lately. Is it a sure thing he's still
> into it, and also that he conformed to their "rules" with regard to Jett's
> health?
>
Yes, that's the reason. I don't think anybody could go so far as to
say it's a "sure thing" that they're still in it, but after all
Travolta did make a huge, expensive, terrible movie in tribute to his
master LRH not so terribly long ago. And he and Kelly have been all
about Scientology for so long it's hard to believe they've come around
to sense recently; if they were able to keep on insisting that Jett's
very serious problems were all due to carpet cleaners up through 2001,
why would they have stopped since?
And supposedly Tom Cruise is off the Scientology drum-beat tour too,
now. It's called having a decent publicist. ;)
Eliza
seastew
> I agree with you about the doc, if there was one. And I feel sorry
> for the Travoltas for any delusion they may have experienced because
> of their religion--but that doesn't mean they're not ultimately
> responsible for making choices about their son's care.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Agreed 100%! I suppose I was looking at it from the legal POV. The
Travoltas will absolutely not be charged with one thing, guaranteed.
If the doctor did not provide an accurate diagnosis and treatment,
that is another story. Let's hope that some sort of examination of CO$
can come out of this tragedy.
Laurie Mann
> http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/archives/travolta_family_travesty...
>
> TRAVOLTA FAMILY TRAVESTY: Wild Hogs Star Gives own Autistic Son the
> Silent Treatment - May 10, 2007
I hope this is just some pissed-off individual and that this was not
really the case.
Sometimes, the children of famous, well-off people die tragically and
it isn't the parents' fault.
There's a spectrum of behaviors that can occur with autism. It's
absolutely true that some autistic people need constant supervision.
But not all of them do. If Jett was high-functioning and not prone to
seizures, assuming he needed constant supervision is wrong. When you
have a child with problems, you want to encourage them to do as much
as they can on their own. In some cases, they can become more
independent.
If Jett's behavior was dangerous and he needed more supervision/drugs,
maybe the one good thing that could come of this tragic situation
would be for his parents to publicly disavow Scientology.
I have trouble condemning the parents in this case because while I
know Scientology can be dangerous, I also know that kids, even
"normal" kids, can behave in way that well-intended parents cannot
anticipate.
Laurie
Larc
|
| "JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:ToQ7l.7242$cu....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
| >
| > "syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:V82dnf6zk8E0DMPU...@earthlink.com...
| >>
| >> "SoCally" <foa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| >> news:82e38281-6289-4f87...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
| >>> It's pretty pathetic to use a kid's death to slam his parents.
| >>>
| >>> Have some sympathy people!
| >>
| >> I've got sympathy. I have sympathy for a child who had a learning
| >> disablility and was DENIED treatment by his 'loving' parents because of a
| >> nutty cult.
| >
| > Well, if that's what they did, deny Jett treatment which could have made
| > his life more comfortable - and which might ultimately have saved his
| > life - of course that requires investigation. But it isn't clear to me why
| > people believe his parents withheld medical treatment? Is it because of
| > the parents' Scientology membership? TCruise touts Scientology all the
| > time, but I haven't seen Travolta doing that lately. Is it a sure thing
| > he's still into it, and also that he conformed to their "rules" with
| > regard to Jett's health?
|
| Yes, because Travolta is deep in the church (so deep you can't get out).
|
| Let's just say it's a bitch having them cover up his gayness.
I don't think anybody held a gun on him and forced him to get involved with that
cult.
Larc
JonesieCat
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Eliza
Thx for info. From the look of him, he LOOKS either autistic or spectrum,
and I know that's purely anecdotal, but to me (I've seen a fair few) he
LOOKS to be in that category. What, are you thinking? that he's simply what
we used to be call "profoundly retarded"?
jc
JonesieCat
On Jan 3, 3:57 pm, "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Taylor" <lukebenw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f2b191e1-d9ce-4a6f...@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 2, 5:49 pm, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Taylor's New Year's resolution: Be even crueler!
>
> Not cruel; just a realist. If negligent parenting can be blamed for a
> child's danger and/or death, it should be noted and the parents
> shouldn't be allowed to bury their heads in the sand. Like Jennifer
> Hudson's 7-year-old son Julian King. Outright criminal negligent
> ========
> Jennifer Hudson has no children, so your assertion that she's a negligent
> parent is silly. That boy was her nephew and JH was not raising him.
>
I never said her. I said The grandma, the uncle, the mom who lived in
the Chicago house and the dad who'd drift in and out, were all crim|
inally negligent. Julian was the true victim. Jennifer's a victim
because her dirtbag relatives (not the mama, though; but she condoned
it) were wiped out. Jennifer was smart to get the hell as far away
from that seedy den.
You said "Like Jennifer Hudson's 7-year-old son Julian King." But, okay, I
get what you were intending.
jc
JonesieCat
He and I aren't in touch. ;)
jc
>>
>> jc
>>
>
JonesieCat
now. It's called having a decent publicist. ;)
Eliza
I keep wondering if I can ever like that guy again. And it's not even
Scientology that's the turn off, it's just some about HIM, blech. And he
even looks okay. It's his egocentricity or something, so blatant.
jc
JonesieCat
<moor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Eliza
"They can?" The diagnosis nearly always entails some sort of comorbidity
requiring medication, at least temporarily, but often for many years. And
"usually" able to work - I would dispute that as well, though it certainly
can be the case, especially depending on the definition of "work."
jc
syvyn11
Trust me, Jonesie, your better for that.
LRon was a freaky dude.
This can explain most of it.
http://www.zipperfish.com/yaafm/yaafm-11-scientology/
pay close attention to the Scarrlett/cruise date
>
>
>>>
>>> jc
>>>
>>
>
>
SoCally
> aren't Scientologist. They're just parents of autistic kids who are
> fighting (treating?) it via vitamins.
And how did she mutilate her son?
Like I said, her kid had CANDIDA (look it up) and she treated that
with DIET. After changing his diet, his symptoms of autism went away.
It works for some kids, but not all.
JonesieCat
Too funny! So there was a whole room full of 'elders' behind the hidden
door?! How creepy is that. Hats off to Scarlett. And she wasn't the only one
he approached before he 'got' Katie, right? That is such a funny clip -
surprised they haven't been sued or threatened off the web.
jc
syvyn11
A few other women were 'nominated' for what became Katie's position. This
clip has been under the radar for years because it's carefully worded.
Besides, the truth is the best defense.
>
>
moor...@yahoo.com
The history on this post is appearing for me, but I know not everyone
sees Usenet posts the same way so maybe it's not for you. My post
about Asperger's meds was specifically directed to someone who clearly
didn't know much about it and who seemed to think that the poster with
an Asperger's diagnosis had received that diagnosis *per se* to gain
advantage in obtaining disability benefits or medication. My point was
only that a comorbidity would be the reason for either. But it's OT
for this thread so maybe it's time to let it die. :)
Eliza
moor...@yahoo.com
We do not agree 100% or even very close to 100%. I don't know whether
the Travoltas will be charged with anything, and neither do you. I
hope they are, but I still have sympathy for them.
Eliza
moor...@yahoo.com
News reports have said he had a history of seizures. I don't think
anyone's claiming that failure to provide supervision was the problem,
or if they have I have not seen that posting. I think failure to
provide antiepileptic drugs was the problem, assuming the information
about the history of seizures was correct.
Eliza
moor...@yahoo.com
I know a number of people with autism --mostly children but one adult--
and have never noticed a particular appearance. I don't think there's
anything in the literature about one and I've seen statements to the
contrary. But maybe you are talking just about facial expression
rather than cast of the features? I think a somewhat vacant or
distant look is common in people with all kinds of profound
developmental disabilities. Anyway, I would not want to attempt to
even speculatively diagnose anyone of a specific developmental
disability on the basis of a photograph; if that could be done
accurately people wouldn't be getting money to develop and administer
batteries of tests and take careful case histories :). My suspicions
have more to do with what little history has been presented through
the media. I don't have any faith in the autism rumor because the
best evidence of it appears to be that some angry guy in a diner saw
the kid and thought he seemed like he had autism. I think the
evidence of a seizure disorder is much better and, in this case, much
more worth talking about, since he was reported to die post seizure
and at least one news report specifically said he had a history of
seizures. There's no reason he couldn't have had both, of course, and
he clearly does seem to have had some kind of developmental
disability, but I don't see any reason to think "autism." I also
don't think the presence or absence of autism (or MR for that matter)
in particular is relevant to this case.
Eliza
JonesieCat
<moor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Eliza
===
See video at
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/298-jett-travolta/video-proof-jett-travoltas-autism-31978/
and note: "If you go 1:20 [130] left you will see two kinds of stimming, the
rocking and him watching his hand while moving it."
It is highly likely this boy had full-blown autism.
And at that I'm happy to let the thread die. :)
jc
JonesieCat
Ya know, I think the ole Katie's much stronger than she's gotten credit for.
As was the case with Tom's previous wife. Wonder what Katie thought when she
learned about his previous interviewees. Could not have been good.
jc
Weffer
> The fact that some people are taking a mocking tone in discussing this
> doesn't mean the point is to mock the grieving
In fact, it does. It's recorded fact that Scientology-haters will sink
to no depth of depravity in order to defame their target of hatred.
They'll exploit any discomfort, derangement or death to forward their
end of bashing Scientology.
Let's be perfectly Clear here: the point of most of the bashers in
this thread is, in fact, to mock the grieving and to grind them into
the dirt for daring to follow a minority religion. Hypothetical,
idealistic notions of criticism don't enter into this.
JonesieCat
"Weffer" <wever...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 3, 12:46 pm, "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The fact that some people are taking a mocking tone in discussing this
> doesn't mean the point is to mock the grieving
I don't think it was me who said that.
jc
==========
KK
> "Weffer" <wever...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9d5413ed-6b81-4440-
ba0c-30c...@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 3, 12:46 pm, "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The fact that some people are taking a mocking tone in discussing this
>> doesn't mean the point is to mock the grieving
> ==========
> I don't think it was me who said that. jc
> ==========
>
>
> In fact, it does. It's recorded fact that Scientology-haters will sink
> to no depth of depravity in order to defame their target of hatred.
> They'll exploit any discomfort, derangement or death to forward their
> end of bashing Scientology.
Pointing out of the sheer idiocy of scientology requires no such extreme
event, but when one occurs of course it will be discussed.
syvyn11
throw enough money, you can live with anything.
Hell, for a 10 million payday, I would marry Cruise.
>
>
牛魔王
> Let's be perfectly Clear here: the point of most of the bashers in
> this thread is, in fact, to mock the grieving and to grind them into
> the dirt for daring to follow a minority religion. Hypothetical,
> idealistic notions of criticism don't enter into this.
You're a clam, eh?
Weffer
No, I'm a kike (as long as we're using religious slurs). Scientology-
bashing concerns me because:
a) I have friends who are practitioners of Scientology, and they're
wonderful people who contribute to and enrich our community, and
b) I am acutely aware of the accusations made against the Jews
throughout history, and the disturbing similarity between those claims
and the slime leveled against Scientologists.
The band-wagon bashers, to a person, are not in close contact with any
real, live Scientologists, so it's easy to dehumanise based on what
they find at hate sites. And really, as evidenced by the vile sickness
spewed towards the Travoltas at their lowest moment, broadcasting hate
is all you people are concerned with.
Perhaps you would all be more comfortable at stormfront.org. Go there
now and leave us normal people alone.
P.K.
"ddc...@yahoo.com" wrote:
> On Jan 2, 4:26 pm, "syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Taylor" <desperatehousewi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:7ad911fe-d081-4ded...@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > Jet was long-rumoured to have been Autistic, although the shame of
> > > being imperfect in the eyes of Scientologist, lead to absolutely no
> > > treatment for him.
> >
> > I sincerly hope that there is some sort of investigation and that Travolta's
> > perfect (fake) little world, along that with the Cult of $cientology, goes
> > down in flames.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > ---
> >
> > > John Travolta's Son Dies
> > > Filed under: John Travolta > R.I.P. > 50 Cent
> >
> > > John Travolta's son, 16-year-old Jett, died today, Friday.
> >
> > > Jett died while the family was on vacation in the Bahamas.
> >
> > > While circumstances surrounding the death are unknown, it can be
> > > surmised that it has something to do with Kawasaki disease, from which
> > > Jett reportedly suffered.
> >
> > > Not much is understood about Kawasaki disease, which is a condition
> > > that affects many parts of the body. It affects mostly boys under the
> > > age of 5. Its greatest complications are cardiac, which often lead to
> > > heart attack, even in children.
> >
> > > Our hearts go out to the Travolta family.
> >
> > > [Image via WENN.]
> >
> > > Posted: January 2, 2009 at 3:59 pm
> >
> > >http://www.tmz.com/2009/01/02/john-travoltas-son-dies/
> >
> > > 5195203...@msg.telus.com- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> When things go bad JC never gets the blame; there is
> no way that L. Ronnie Hubbard is gonna take the fall
> for this situation.
P.K.
Kawasaki shit is just a cover up for those in denial. Very convenient
syvyn11 wrote:
> "Alan Hope" <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ff1tl4d0ab4ou6aoe...@4ax.com...
> > Taylor goes:
> >
> >>Jet was long-rumoured to have been Autistic, although the shame of
> >>being imperfect in the eyes of Scientologist, lead to absolutely no
> >>treatment for him.
> >
> > That's okay, there is no treatment for autism.
>
> according to new members Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey, there is.
> VITAMINS!!!!!
>
> Get it from your LRon distributor TODAY!
>
> or
>
> Get punished by xeni.
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > AH
> > http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
lab~rat >:-)
As will the crazy christians and nutty jews.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
KK
> 牛魔王 wrote:
>> On Jan 7, 2:12�am, Weffer <weverff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Let's be perfectly Clear here: the point of most of the bashers in
>> > this thread is, in fact, to mock the grieving and to grind them into
>> > the dirt for daring to follow a minority religion. Hypothetical,
>> > idealistic notions of criticism don't enter into this.
>>
>> You're a clam, eh?
>
> No, I'm a kike (as long as we're using religious slurs). Scientology-
> bashing concerns me because:
>
> a) I have friends who are practitioners of Scientology, and they're
> wonderful people
... who need help.
> who contribute to and enrich our community, and
>
> b) I am acutely aware of the accusations made against the Jews
> throughout history, and the disturbing similarity between those claims
> and the slime leveled against Scientologists.
I'm neither a Jew nor at all religious, but I'm disgusted for your
comparing anti-Semitism to anti-Scientology.
Besides a belief system, Judiasm is an ethnicity - passed from parent to
child. At the outset of the failed analogy is that disagreeing or having
an issue with someone's beliefs or with a group that they *choose* to join
is very different than judging them based on their color, heritage, or
other involuntary heritable characteristic.
That's the biggest issue I have with your comparison. Beyond that,
though, there are more.
Comparison of Scientology with more "mainstream" religions is also
flawed. Scientology is a business which keeps its techings secret except
for those who pay, and pay, and pay for each step up the ladder, relying
on *copyright law* to restrict "study" of its "works" to paying members.
*No* other "religion" is like that.
Then, of course, there's the almost unnecessary-to-repeat part about how
ridiculous the premise of Scientology is, even before considering that
it's a science-fictiony religion made up by a science-fiction author who
declared that he was going to create a religion.
Finally, comparing the criticism of the strong-arm tactics taken by the
COS against those who point out its hypocrisies to the historical
treatment of Jews is so over-the-top ridiculous and ignorant - especially
from someone who claims to be Jewish - I don't know where to start.
COS is at *best* a business that preys on the gullible, almost certainly
fits the decription of a cult:
- outside mainstream
- devotion to a particular person, particularly a living one (as LRH was)
- has system for treating illness originated by a charismatic person
claiming particular insight into the nature of disease
- often imposes excessive control over its members
- members isolated from friends and relatives
> The band-wagon bashers, to a person, are not in close contact with any
> real, live Scientologists, so it's easy to dehumanise based on what they
> find at hate sites.
So ... you're not saying the information's *incorrect*, just lacking
context?
> And really, as evidenced by the vile sickness spewed
> towards the Travoltas at their lowest moment, broadcasting hate is all
> you people are concerned with.
If JT's "religion" made him ignore an obvious diagnosis or treatment that
may have prevented his son's demise, it should be broadcast to the
world. Just like any other religion (JWs, Christian Scientists, some
flavors of Judaism) which prohibit various forms of modern medicine.
AKA
"P.K." <geo...@vcnet.com> wrote in message
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> Scientology is a fucking scam for weak minded celebrities and that
> Kawasaki shit is just a cover up for those in denial. Very convenient
You're right but the same thing can be said for all religion.
JonesieCat
And you'd give it all back for a divorce methinks. :)
KK
>> Scientology is a fucking scam for weak minded celebrities and that
>> Kawasaki shit is just a cover up for those in denial. Very convenient
>
> You're right but the same thing can be said for all religion.
I don't know if all religion can be said to be a "scam". They don't all
empty your wallet. I'd say they're all at least a "crutch", and I
certainly believe that the tenets of all of them are laughable.
lab~rat >:-)
In the US I think there are a lot of scam religions, or at least
places of worship. Over xmas break I took my kids to Monkey Jungle
and driving there we had to pass through an EXTREMELY poor
neighborhood that looks like it had been there two hundred years with
little shacks that were about 800 sf each.
The odd thing was that nearly every third house had the name of a
church painted on it. Now what's up with that?
KK
=
> In the US I think there are a lot of scam religions, or at least places
> of worship. Over xmas break I took my kids to Monkey Jungle and driving
> there we had to pass through an EXTREMELY poor neighborhood that looks
> like it had been there two hundred years with little shacks that were
> about 800 sf each.
>
> The odd thing was that nearly every third house had the name of a church
> painted on it. Now what's up with that?
See, I think that sounds like a crutch rather than a scam - doesn't sound
like there's much $ in that neighborhood to "scam". But if it makes them
feel better to all get together and sing, it's not hurting me.