CUT TO THE CHASE. *DOES* FOX NEWS HAVE ANY REAL CLOUT? HOW MANY VIEWERS WILL BE UP IN ARMS IF CLENN BECK GOES "DOWN THE DRAIN" (flush twice-it's a long way to...) desperation rears its ugly head at "fair and balanced land"
john whine
Dispute between Fox and Time Warner Cable is going down to the wire
By Associated Press
December 31, 2009, 12:20AM
FOXAye, carumba! Bart Simpson could be AWOL come Sunday.
LOS ANGELES -- Bart Simpson and the Sugar Bowl game could disappear
from the TVs of Time Warner Cable subscribers in New York, Los Angeles
and other markets in a bitter dispute over fees that the Fox
television network is demanding.
As a midnight Thursday deadline approaches, Time Warner Cable offered
an olive branch that could leave the Fox network and some of its cable
TV channels on the lineup for millions of subscribers -- for now. But
an executive at Fox owner News Corp. indicated a signal interruption
was likely.
In dispute are the fees that Time Warner Cable Inc. pays Fox to carry
its channels. In the past, the Fox network was offered for free, and
cable companies essentially paid more for FX and other cable channels
that News Corp. also owns. This time, News Corp. is demanding $1 per
subscriber every month for the network itself.
Fox, hurt by reductions in advertising revenue and increases in
programming costs, argues that Time Warner Cable is making money off
its programming, so it should get a cut of subscription revenue. Time
Warner Cable says the demanded fees are excessive.
Time Warner Cable CEO Glenn Britt said yesterday the cable TV operator
will agree to binding arbitration and any interim steps necessary to
keep Fox channels on while talks continue.
"Consumers should not be held hostage during these negotiations.
That's just wrong," Britt said in an interview yesterday.
But in a note to employees yesterday, News Corp. Chief Operating
Officer Chase Carey said temporarily extending the current terms past
today would "simply extend the period of time that Time Warner profits
from our marquee programming without fairly compensating Fox for it."
He also rejected arbitration as a possibility in a letter to Sen. John
Kerry, D-Mass., who had pleaded for both sides to agree to
uninterrupted television for football fans "through the college bowl
season."
Late yesterday, Kerry threatened to ask the Federal Communications
Commission to intervene if the sides can't agree in time.
If a new deal isn't reached, programs that could disappear from Time
Warner Cable Inc.'s lineup include "The Simpsons" and several football
games -- among them, the Sugar Bowl tomorrow, the Cotton Bowl on
Saturday and the NFL's final regular season contests on Sunday. Bright
House Networks' cable TV systems also face a Thursday deadline with
News Corp.
In Florida, two television viewers filed a lawsuit yesterday against
News Corp., seeking an injunction to ensure that the Fox broadcast of
the Florida-Cincinnati Sugar Bowl contest would remain on Bright
House's cable system. Circuit Judge Maura Smith in Orlando did not
immediately rule.
Time Warner Cable has more than 13 million TV subscribers and Bright
House has more than 2 million, though their dispute involving the Fox
network only concerns 14 Fox-owned stations covering such markets as
Los Angeles, New York, Dallas-Fort Worth and Austin, Texas and Tampa
Bay-St. Petersburg and Orlando, Fla.
Besides the Fox broadcast network, six cable channels -- FX, Speed,
Fuel, Fox Reality, Fox Soccer and Fox Sports en Espanol -- and certain
regional sports networks were also up for negotiations throughout the
Time Warner Cable and Bright House service territories.
Unaffected are Fox News, Fox Business Network and National Geographic,
which is partially owned by News Corp. Those three are covered by
deals that aren't expiring yet.
Separately, TV station owners are also negotiating deals with several
cable systems around the country. About 650,000 subscribers of cable
TV through Mediacom Communications Corp. in markets as large as Des
Moines and Cedar Rapids, Iowa, are also in jeopardy of losing Fox and
CBS broadcast signals as a fee dispute with Sinclair Broadcast Group
Inc. nears a midnight Thursday deadline.
Many of these disputes get resolved at the last minute with no
disruption of service. Last year, Viacom Inc. threatened to pull
Comedy Central, Nickelodeon and other channels from Time Warner Cable
but the two reached a last-minute deal.
The last time a major broadcaster went dark on a cable TV operator was
when The Walt Disney Co. asked Time Warner to pull signals from its 10
ABC stations in May 2000 in a fee dispute. Time Warner took the signal
off for a day before succumbing to pressure and agreeing to an
extension. A deal was made later that month.
"Normally they work things out," said Derek Baine, a senior analyst at
SNL Kagan in Monterey, Calif. "But it's very hostile and it's very
ugly."
Thomas Eagan, an analyst at Collins Stewart LLC, said Time Warner
Cable would take the more direct hit from a standoff because
subscribers could defect to one of its competitors, such as DirecTV or
Verizon's FiOS.
Consumers would still be able to get the stations with an antenna if
they have a digital TV or converter box, but most Americans these days
get broadcast channels through subscription services such as cable TV
or satellite. And if a channel gets pulled, they'll
Although the networks are transmitted freely over the airwaves, the
companies behind them have been increasingly demanding fees from the
cable TV and satellite operators for retransmitting those signals, in
part to pay for expensive event programming such as sports.
"It costs money to satisfy that thirst of consumers to go out and buy
the product, the football, the baseball, the NASCAR," Tony
Vinciquerra, chairman of Fox Networks Group, said in an interview. "To
stay vibrant in the world of television, we need to be able to
compete."
In the past, Fox had offered the broadcast signal from Fox-owned
stations for free in exchange for subscriber fees on new cable
channels it launched. Since 1994, Fox has started nearly a dozen cable
channels, including FX, Speed, Fox College Sports and Fuel. But
launching new channels has slowed, putting the focus on getting paid
for the broadcast signals, which still command the largest TV
audiences.
Fox is asking for $1 per month per subscriber, which Fox says is in
line with what Time Warner Cable pays for the lower-rated cable
channel TNT. But Britt said his cable TV company has already cut deals
for "much lower" than that with Fox affiliates -- stations that carry
Fox programming but are owned by other companies.
He said any higher fees would need to be passed on to consumers in
their monthly subscription bills.
Scott Varley, a 45-year-old Time Warner Cable subscriber in Los
Angeles, said he would miss the Speed channel and other Fox programs
if they were pulled. But he expects the sides will eventually reach a
deal, and he's resigned to accepting whatever price increases his
provider imposes
Bert Hyman
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john whine <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unaffected are Fox News, Fox Business Network and National Geographic,
> which is partially owned by News Corp. Those three are covered by
> deals that aren't expiring yet.
You didn't actually read the article, did you?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
cop welfare
> Innews:fd7943f3-5f23-476c...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com
>
> john whine <john.wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Unaffected are Fox News, Fox Business Network and National Geographic,
> > which is partially owned by News Corp. Those three are covered by
> > deals that aren't expiring yet.
>
> You didn't actually read the article, did you?
>
> --
ah, yes...
busted again.
so tell me what i got wrong, please?
John Q Public
> If you're talking about FoxNews in caps ... then yes, it
> clearly DOES have real clout.
The left is using FOX as a whole as some example of so called unprofitability!
Just about everyones taken a hit in last year but, CBS and others are
going after
cable providers for licensing fees too!
Both sides are just blustering to see where it will all wash out as FOX News is
just a portion of it, watch and see CBS and others follow suit as cable
providers
have to start letting networks get a little piece of their pie!
Curly Surmudgeon
Who cares what your undefined group thinks of "Fox News"? "Fox News"
lies and uses the public airwaves, a medium owned by "We, The People" to
lie and spread disinformation and propaganda.
That will not be allowed.
You may belong to a conspiratorial group dedicated to the destruction of
America. Our form of liberty and freedom permits that. It does not
permit you to use illegal methods of achieving your disloyal goals.
--
Regards, Curly
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Curly Surmudgeon
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:16:45 -0500, John Q Public <my2c...@me.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-01-01 03:17:42 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> said:
>>>
>>>> If you're talking about FoxNews in caps ... then yes, it clearly DOES
>>>> have real clout.
>>>
>>> The left is using FOX as a whole as some example of so called
>>> unprofitability! Just about everyones taken a hit in last year but,
>>> CBS and others are going after
>>> cable providers for licensing fees too! Both sides are just blustering
>>> to see where it will all wash out as FOX News is just a portion of it,
>>> watch and see CBS and others follow suit as cable providers have to
>>> start letting networks get a little piece of their pie!
>>
>>Who cares what your undefined group thinks of "Fox News"? "Fox News"
>>lies and uses the public airwaves ....
>
>
> But CNN lies twice as much.
>
> Where's your critique ???
Show your evidence.
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Curly Surmudgeon
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:40:01 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:16:45 -0500, John Q Public <my2c...@me.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-01-01 03:17:42 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're talking about FoxNews in caps ... then yes, it clearly
>>>>>> DOES have real clout.
>>>>>
>>>>> The left is using FOX as a whole as some example of so called
>>>>> unprofitability! Just about everyones taken a hit in last year but,
>>>>> CBS and others are going after
>>>>> cable providers for licensing fees too! Both sides are just
>>>>> blustering to see where it will all wash out as FOX News is just a
>>>>> portion of it, watch and see CBS and others follow suit as cable
>>>>> providers have to start letting networks get a little piece of their
>>>>> pie!
>>>>
>>>>Who cares what your undefined group thinks of "Fox News"? "Fox News"
>>>>lies and uses the public airwaves ....
>>>
>>>
>>> But CNN lies twice as much.
>>>
>>> Where's your critique ???
>>
>>Show your evidence.
>
> It's on 24/7 ... all you need are eyes.
I don't watch CNN, show your evidence.
John Q Public
Arguing with Curly Shorthairs is like arguing with a Potato, he's a
leftwing schill
and will always be a leftwing schill spoon fed his talking points by
whatever leftwing
pundit he's blown in the last 24 hours.
He dislikes FOX because its the highest rated and is critical of his
God BO the liar.
CBS, ABC, NBC, MSLSD, CNN... have their heads buried up BO's ass and have
abandoned any semblance of non-partisan journalism because they tied
their star to his
and can't let him fail.
But, the line of "No he didn't do that agin the loser, we better run
whilst we can" is fast
approachin and their credibility allready slim will force them to turn
on BO and friends
to retain what little they have!
HH&C
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:28:36 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> > Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:40:01 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>
>
> >>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:16:45 -0500, John Q Public <my2ce...@me.com>
> >>>>wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 2010-01-01 03:17:42 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> said:
>
> >>>>>> If you're talking about FoxNews in caps ... then yes, it clearly
> >>>>>> DOES have real clout.
>
> >>>>> The left is using FOX as a whole as some example of so called
> >>>>> unprofitability! Just about everyones taken a hit in last year but,
> >>>>> CBS and others are going after
> >>>>> cable providers for licensing fees too! Both sides are just
> >>>>> blustering to see where it will all wash out as FOX News is just a
> >>>>> portion of it, watch and see CBS and others follow suit as cable
> >>>>> providers have to start letting networks get a little piece of their
> >>>>> pie!
>
> >>>>Who cares what your undefined group thinks of "Fox News"? "Fox News"
> >>>>lies and uses the public airwaves ....
>
> >>> But CNN lies twice as much.
>
> >>> Where's your critique ???
>
> >>Show your evidence.
>
> > It's on 24/7 ... all you need are eyes.
>
> I don't watch CNN, show your evidence.
So watch it. Whatsa matter, don't they carry it in Argentina?
> --
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Dan
Even were he to watch CNN, he still would need someone to SHOW him
something that is pure fiction... You see, if there were facts
involved, he could discern them for himself; the fact that the opinion
represents pure fantasy means the person with the fantasy needs to tell
or show that fantasy, since fantasy could be anything.
Dan
Curly Surmudgeon
Am I still stalking the cockroach?
Dan
>> Even were he (Curly) to watch CNN, he (Mr. Black) still would need someone to SHOW him (Curly)
>> something that is pure fiction... You see, if there were facts
>> involved, he (Curly) could discern them for himself; the fact that the opinion
>> represents pure fantasy means the person with the fantasy needs to tell
>> or show that fantasy, since fantasy could be anything.
>>
>> Dan
>
> Am I still stalking the cockroach?
>
Boy, did I go overboard with the pronouns, or what?!?!?!?!
I edited for some semblance of clarity. Unlike certain other people, I
actually can see when I have been [unintentionally] ambiguous, at least
after the fact.
Dan
Lib Loo
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
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> Am I still stalking the cockroach?
Silly! You *ARE* the cockroach!
HH&C
Forever making excusing for Curly's inability to see what most
everyone else sees.
I can understand you making excuses for Obama, but Curly???
HH&C
Nope. Just overboard with excuses.
HH&C
> "Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hhorjc$l8l$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > Am I still stalking the cockroach?
>
> Silly! You *ARE* the cockroach!
Surly Curmudgeon is a maggot.
HH&C
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:28:36 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>
>
> >>>On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:40:01 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>
>
> >>>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:16:45 -0500, John Q Public <my2ce...@me.com>
> >>>>>wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On 2010-01-01 03:17:42 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> said:
>
> >>>>>>> If you're talking about FoxNews in caps ... then yes, it clearly
> >>>>>>> DOES have real clout.
>
> >>>>>> The left is using FOX as a whole as some example of so called
> >>>>>> unprofitability! Just about everyones taken a hit in last year but,
> >>>>>> CBS and others are going after
> >>>>>> cable providers for licensing fees too! Both sides are just
> >>>>>> blustering to see where it will all wash out as FOX News is just a
> >>>>>> portion of it, watch and see CBS and others follow suit as cable
> >>>>>> providers have to start letting networks get a little piece of their
> >>>>>> pie!
>
> >>>>>Who cares what your undefined group thinks of "Fox News"? "Fox News"
> >>>>>lies and uses the public airwaves ....
>
> >>>> But CNN lies twice as much.
>
> >>>> Where's your critique ???
>
> >>>Show your evidence.
>
> >> It's on 24/7 ... all you need are eyes.
>
> >I don't watch CNN
>
>
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You'll have to forgive Curly... well, I guess you don't have to.
Curly ran away from Bush's America only to find that Obama's America
is worse.
So he still lives in Argentina, and damns us because he cannot watch
CNN.
Sounds like a personal problem to me.
Curly Surmudgeon
> Nevermind then ... ignoramus.
That's a cop-out, you cannot support your statement.
Gunner Asch
Sure he isnt a parasite in a maggots gut?
Ill bet he is.
Gunner
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
Dan
No, unless by "most" you mean an insignificant and tiny minority. I am
responding to your fallacious claim, the fact that you think you are
"attacking" Curly is a mere side issue. Interesting that you focus on
the side issue and fail to support your obviously false assertion.
> I can understand you making excuses for Obama, but Curly???
I make excuses for NEITHER. Why do you feel the need to make false and
misleading statements?
The answer, of course, is that you cannot support your fantasy world and
must make false statements or none at all...
Dan
Dan
Point out excuse one.
Dan
Lib Loo
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They have lots of gay parades on TV in his shithole country. He can watch
those.
HH&C
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 00:10:07 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>
> >On Jan 3, 1:42 am, "Lib Loo" <heezb...@crazymother.kom> wrote:
> >> "Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:hhorjc$l8l$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> > Am I still stalking the cockroach?
>
> >> Silly! You *ARE* the cockroach!
>
> >Surly Curmudgeon is a maggot.
>
> Sure he isnt a parasite in a maggots gut?
>
> Ill bet he is.
>
> Gunner
Could be. Or a clingon at the back end of the maggot.
Curly Surmudgeon
> No CNN in Argentina ?
>
> Wow ... now I *know* where I'm gonna retire ! :-)
You and the cockroach must be siblings. You both spout crap then refuse
to substantiate it. Where is your evidence that CNN lies twice as much
[as "Fox News"]?
How about posting two CNN lies for every "Fox News" lie I provide? Or
are you merely another alter ego of the cockroach?
Sueki Tartridge
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Can anyone top this chronic,pathological liar? No,not even Bubba
Clinton:
Lib Loo
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Yeah, I can top it:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=curly+surmudgeon+liar