Ann Coulter has a Muslim boyfriend?
Mary Campbell
Coulter who has advised us to watch out for "swarthy males", suggested
mass deportation of Muslim non-citizens because "every terrorist is a
Muslim", and recommended that the US invade Muslim countries, kill their
leaders and convert them to Christianity, is dating a Muslim guy. No
report on whether she has converted him yet.
John Savard
wrote, in part:
Obviously, he has already converted her... to tolerance.
However, it's true, you know, that if there hadn't been anyone of Arab
extraction in the U.S. as of September 10th 2001, a lot of people who
died would still be alive.
Why is it more important that everyone be protected from any slight
inconvenience or inequality related to their ethnic origin, than to
save lives?
Isn't being dead a lot worse than not being able to move to the United
States, or not being able to board an airplane?
Of course these are steps incompatible with our ideals, so they are
things we wish to avoid if possible. But the automatic idea of
absolute equality no matter what maybe ought to start fraying a little
around the edges.
Mary Campbell
> On 13 Mar 2002 17:38:21 GMT, cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mary Campbell)
> wrote, in part:
>
>>According to Lloyd Grove's Reliable Source column today, Arab-bashing Ann
>>Coulter who has advised us to watch out for "swarthy males", suggested
>>mass deportation of Muslim non-citizens because "every terrorist is a
>>Muslim", and recommended that the US invade Muslim countries, kill their
>>leaders and convert them to Christianity, is dating a Muslim guy. No
>>report on whether she has converted him yet.
>
> Obviously, he has already converted her... to tolerance.
Well, they've been dating for 4 months and she doesn't seem to have become
more tolerant in that time.
jun...@fakeemail.com
>
> On 13 Mar 2002 17:38:21 GMT, cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mary Campbell)
> wrote, in part:
>
> >According to Lloyd Grove's Reliable Source column today, Arab-bashing Ann
> >Coulter who has advised us to watch out for "swarthy males", suggested
> >mass deportation of Muslim non-citizens because "every terrorist is a
> >Muslim", and recommended that the US invade Muslim countries, kill their
> >leaders and convert them to Christianity, is dating a Muslim guy. No
> >report on whether she has converted him yet.
>
> Obviously, he has already converted her... to tolerance.
>
> However, it's true, you know, that if there hadn't been anyone of Arab
> extraction in the U.S. as of September 10th 2001, a lot of people who
> died would still be alive.
>
> John Savard
> http://plaza.powersurfr.com/jsavard/index.html
What an incredibly silly thing to say, John. Ya know, if dogs weren't
permitted in the USA, there would be no dog bites! And so on.
jun...@fakeemail.com
>
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:49:24 GMT, Kristina
> <Careless...@aol.comeandgo> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:50:35 GMT, jsa...@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid
> >(John Savard) wrote:
> >
> >>However, it's true, you know, that if there hadn't been anyone of Arab
> >>extraction in the U.S. as of September 10th 2001, a lot of people who
> >>died would still be alive.
> >
> >Oklahoma City a few years back, that building wouldn't have been blown
> >up, and a whole 'nother set of people would also still be alive. Hey,
> >let's just make *everybody* leave. That's it. Yeah.
> >
>
> Caucasian former Marines don't band together to raise money and plot
> to commit massacres in the United States, and they don't tend to
> preach about destroying all those infidels who don't belong to their
> religion.
Haven't you heard of the right-wing militias in the USA?
DepressdGrl
You have a link for that?
jun...@fakeemail.com
>
> even committed terrorism?
No, Crouching Intern. Your original comment was,
"Caucasian former Marines don't band together to raise money and plot
> >> to commit massacres in the United States, and they don't tend to
> >> preach about destroying all those infidels who don't belong to their
> >> religion."
I was pointing out to you that you were incorrect.
Different terrorists choose different targets. Militias were believed
to be involved in the Oklahoma bombing.
http://nwcitizen.com/publicgood/reports/angryguy.htm
You are also forgetting the Ku Klux Klan and Nazis.
Mary Campbell
mslinda
>
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:49:24 GMT, Kristina
> <Careless...@aol.comeandgo> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:50:35 GMT, jsa...@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid
> >(John Savard) wrote:
> >
> >>extraction in the U.S. as of September 10th 2001, a lot of people who
> >>died would still be alive.
> >
And the terrorists could have hijacked a plane in Canada or Mexico.
There's no guarantee that not being here legally would have stopped them.
> >And if there hadn't been any Caucasian former Marines allowed in
> >Oklahoma City a few years back, that building wouldn't have been blown
> >up, and a whole 'nother set of people would also still be alive. Hey,
> >let's just make *everybody* leave. That's it. Yeah.
> >
>
> Caucasian former Marines don't band together to raise money and plot
> to commit massacres in the United States,
You don't consider Oklahoma City to be a "massacre?" Are the lives of
those who died there somehow less valuable than those who died in NYC?
And how do you know that a bunch of militia nuts aren't plotting to blow
up a black church or a mosque? Those guys who blew up that church in
Birmingham in 1963 were pretty close to being Caucasian former Marines.
and they don't tend to
> preach about destroying all those infidels who don't belong to their
> religion.
>
They leave that to the fundies like Falwell and Phelps.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> about the assholes who bombed the WTC back in 1993? Muslims too. The
> bombings of two of our embassies? The attack on the USS Cole? The
> bombing of Khobar Towers? Muslims, Muslims and more Muslims. 100%
> Muslims. I sense a trend here.
>
Using that logic, we should have expelled all white guys during the
Civil Rights struggle, since they were the ones doing the killing and bombing.
Linda C.
syvyn11
"Mary Campbell" <cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:a6otjm$3jh$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca...
>
> Well, they've been dating for 4 months and she doesn't seem to have become
> more tolerant in that time.
>
tolerance, liberalism. Except when it is tolerance for conservatives.
syvyn11
"mslinda" <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3C901C0B...@earthlink.net...
closely and to fuck with this politically correct bullshit.
--
__________________________________
Duckman: Corny, what have I done?
Cornfed: When compared to mozart, not a hell of a lot.
"You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common,
they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit
the views, which can be uncomfortable, if you happen to be one of the facts
that needs altering."
- Doctor Who, THE FACE OF EVIL
mslinda
When did equal rights for all become politically correct bullshit?
Linda C.
Mary Campbell
> "Mary Campbell" <cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
> news:a6otjm$3jh$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca...
>>
>> Well, they've been dating for 4 months and she doesn't seem to have become
>> more tolerant in that time.
>>
> You mean she hasn't become a leftie.
I think you're addressing the person whose response you snipped out of
this post, not me.
John Smith
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:39:02 -0500, jun...@fakeemail.com wrote:
>
> How many of them have rammed hijacked airliners into skyscrapers, or
> even committed terrorism?
>
> --
> "Every one of the innocents who died on Sept. 11 was the most important person on earth to somebody.
> Every death extinguished a world." -- President George W. Bush, 12/11/2001
>
> www.hillary-watch.org
Or blown up buildings in Oklahoma?
John
Fashion Critic
dating a Muslim guy."
Coulter is a bit mixed up, frankly. I don't think either liberals or
conservatives have her figured out yet. For a while she was dating Bob
Guccione, Jr.
She writes/speaks like a radical conservative, but chain smokes, wears
mini skirts, dated a porn dealer, and now she is dating a Muslim?
You never know what to expect from Ann Coulter.
< FC >
Fashion Critic
Post:
"On the romantic front, Coulter seems to flit from one relationship to the
next. After moving here, she dated a Democratic Senate staffer whose
legislative efforts she opposed. Then she began seeing Bob Guccione Jr., the
controversial founder of Spin magazine, until becoming disenchanted in
March. Now she's involved with an FBI agent."
Maybe in a year she'll be dating Bill Clinton.
< FC >
Alexandra
<jun...@fakeemail.com> wrote in message news:3C9015...@fakeemail.com...
Also, in the book The Turner Diaries by William Pierce, the book which
inspired Timothy McVeigh and a whole load of Neo-nazi groups, the author
makes the suggestion to use an airplane as a bomb to take out power plants,
etc. when at civil war with the US.
I recall the 2 Columbine students, also fans of the book, discussed a plan
that included hijacking a plane and crashing it into a building (with them
in it).
And don't forget Samuel Byck who hijacked that Delta flight in 1975 with the
plan to crash it into the White House to kill Richard Nixon.
I don't think crashing a plane into a building is necessarily exclusive to
Muslims.
John S
> Apparently, the minute the bad guys stopped looking like "us".
>
> Kristina
> *~*~*~*
And they smell funny so blind people can hate them too.
John
ambrose_meineke@hotmail.com Ambrose Meineke
That might be a good fit. If I recall correctly, Ann once said that she
wasn't convinced that women should have the vote. Perhaps Ann, like John
Walker, is looking for some old fashioned morality and cultural solidity
which has largely dissapeared in the secular west in the last forty years.
Too bad though, if she marry's Hadji-boy and dissapears behind the Burka,
she has great legs and a sexy little body that would be a shame to keep
hidden.
Ambrose--
mslinda
And in two, Hillary. <g>
Linda C.
mslinda
Like when we interred the American citizens of Japanese ancestry during WWII?
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> country's history with carefully scrutinizing Muslim men of a certain
> age who are citizens of countries that are known as hotbeds of radical
> Islam and terrorism.
>
Both involve blaming a large group of people for the actions of a few.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> wrote:
>
> >Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:49:24 GMT, Kristina
> >> <Careless...@aol.comeandgo> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:50:35 GMT, jsa...@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid
> >> >(John Savard) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>However, it's true, you know, that if there hadn't been anyone of Arab
> >> >>extraction in the U.S. as of September 10th 2001, a lot of people who
> >> >>died would still be alive.
> >> >
> >Not being in the US didn't stop the Japanese from bombing Pearl Harbor.
>
How did they know whether there were civilians in the area? What if they
had missed and hit Waikiki?
> >And the terrorists could have hijacked a plane in Canada or Mexico.
>
> Maybe, but hijacking airliners here made sure that they got to murder
> even more Americans.
Not if they hijacked a plane bound for a US airport.
> >There's no guarantee that not being here legally would have stopped them.
> >
>
> Huh?
>
They could have launched their attack from outside the US.
> >> >And if there hadn't been any Caucasian former Marines allowed in
> >> >Oklahoma City a few years back, that building wouldn't have been blown
> >> >up, and a whole 'nother set of people would also still be alive. Hey,
> >> >let's just make *everybody* leave. That's it. Yeah.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Caucasian former Marines don't band together to raise money and plot
> >> to commit massacres in the United States,
> >
> >You don't consider Oklahoma City to be a "massacre?" Are the lives of
> >those who died there somehow less valuable than those who died in NYC?
>
> Nice straw man you set up. Why not fabricate some more thoughts and
> opinions for me? I had expected better from you, but I guess I was
> wrong.
That's not much of an answer. *Do* you consider Oklahoma City to be a "massacre?"
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:39:02 -0500, jun...@fakeemail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:49:24 GMT, Kristina
> >> >> <Careless...@aol.comeandgo> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:50:35 GMT, jsa...@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid
> >> >> >(John Savard) wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>However, it's true, you know, that if there hadn't been anyone of Arab
> >> >> >>extraction in the U.S. as of September 10th 2001, a lot of people who
> >> >> >>died would still be alive.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And if there hadn't been any Caucasian former Marines allowed in
> >> >> >Oklahoma City a few years back, that building wouldn't have been blown
> >> >> >up, and a whole 'nother set of people would also still be alive. Hey,
> >> >> >let's just make *everybody* leave. That's it. Yeah.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Caucasian former Marines don't band together to raise money and plot
> >> >> to commit massacres in the United States, and they don't tend to
> >> >> preach about destroying all those infidels who don't belong to their
> >> >> religion.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Haven't you heard of the right-wing militias in the USA?
> >>
> >> How many of them have rammed hijacked airliners into skyscrapers, or
> >> even committed terrorism?
> >
> >
> >John
>
> very few cohorts do it themselves?
What difference does that make?
Did they do it in the name of a
> religion? Did they want to force everyone here in the U.S. to convert
> to a certain religion?
>
Yeah. Fundamentalist Christianity.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> >You are also forgetting the Ku Klux Klan and Nazis.
>
> The KKK and Nazis have been prosecuted here, but radical Muslims are
> not -- until they blow up buildings.
>
Why should they be prosecuted if they haven't done anything (yet)? Do
you advocate prosecuting them for their religion?
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> <Careless...@aol.comeandgo> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 04:10:09 GMT, mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net>
> >wrote:
> >>When did equal rights for all become politically correct bullshit?
> >
> >Apparently, the minute the bad guys stopped looking like "us".
> >
>
> The fact that every single one of them came from a certain part of the
> world and was a fanatic follower of a specific religion shouldn't
> matter when trying to look for potential terrorists -- especially when
> we know that there are more out there, waiting to strike?
Does that give us the right to discriminate against *every* Muslim?
Don't the innocent ones have enough trouble already?
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> buildings full of people, and the fourth into an empty field.
>
Does that mean you advocate discrimination against people on the basis
of color or nationality?
> At airports, for instance, does it make more sense to pay more
> attention to and carefully scrutinize people who fit the same profile
> (country of origin, ethnicity, age, gender, etc.) as the terrorists or
> to just randomly pull, for example, black grandmothers and toddlers
> out of line and subject them to extra searches and pat-downs?
>
So we should choose who should be searched according to their color or nationality?
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> and forcibly convert everyone to their religion?
>
They were plotting to kill anyone who wanted to end desegregation. And
they would have forcibly converted everyone to their brand of right-wing
fundamentalism if they could have. Do you know anything about the fight
for Civil Rights?
Linda C.
Jason Lane
Keep em guessing, I say.
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:03:57 -0500, "Fashion Critic"
<fashio...@usa.net> wrotd:
Richard Rongstad
We?
Did Linda Cauthen, John Savard and Mary Campbell really inter
American citizens of Japanese ancestry during World War II?
How long were they buried?
It's my understanding that some American citizens were interned, along
with their non-citizen parents.
Linda Cauthen, the publishing business insider, claims work experience
with Big Beautiful Woman and Country Fever magazine.
Come on Linda you big un-beautiful un-genius, interred or interned?
Richard Rongstad
Now that's funny!
Bird Lady
emeral...@rcn.com says...
> believe), while being an Islamofascist who preaches terrorism is not.
WHAT!? No, Leslie, being a member of the KKK is NOT a
prosecutable offence; never has been. Remember the march in
Skokie for god's sake?
>
> I advocate prosecuting them for preaching and supporting terrorism.
As far as preaching, do you now support what the FBI did at Waco,
since David Koresh preached the violent overthrow of the U.S.
gov't?
bel
>
> Why do you repeatedly attack me for saying things that I did not say?
> Do you often fabricate conversations?
jun...@fakeemail.com
>
> and were treated poorly because of that?
>
> Much of that was before my time.
>
"Much of that was before my time" is a pretty weak excuse for spouting
half-truths on subjects about which you know almost nothing. Because
WWII was "before your time," do you believe that extermination of Jews
in death camps was a myth?
Sara
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> >> >There's no guarantee that not being here legally would have stopped them.
> >> >
> >> Huh?
> >>
> >They could have launched their attack from outside the US.
> >
>
> Yeah, so? They didn't. They were here and they exploited our P.C.
> squeamishness.
Exploited our *PC squeamishness*? The hijackers' accomplishments had absolutely nothing to do with PC.
What they *did* exploit was (1) our ridiculously inept airport security system (2) the disorganized and
inefficient INS Agency (you know, the ones who upgraded the hijackers' visas in August and notified the
flight school in October?) (3) the fact that our government had totally backburnered the issue of
domestic terrorism (4) the *intelligence* of the FBI and CIA.
Whether PC will affect security in the future is another issue, but it certainly was not why September
11 happened.
Sara
> How many innocent white men were falsely accused of being one of them and were treated poorly because
> of that?
The whites in question were in the majority where this was happening--they pretty much ran everything.
> Much of that was before my time.
Ignorance of history isn't much of an excuse. Knowing the events that went on in our country's recent
past would give your arguments more credibility.
Sara
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
>
> >>
> >Using that logic, we should have expelled all white guys during the
> >Civil Rights struggle, since they were the ones doing the killing and bombing.
> >
> >Linda C.
>
> Were large groups of white men plotting to destroy the United States
> and forcibly convert everyone to their religion?
>
Large groups of anti-government white supremacists have certainly preached violence, converted young
minds to their brand of hate, advocated ignoring state and federal laws, etc. It is also believed
some of those home grown terrorists were responsible for the anthrax mailings. The problem with couching
what's happening now in the term 'political correctness' instead of 'discrimination' is that it actually
gives the disgusting white extremists some credibility and brings their way of thinking into the
mainstream.
You are also aware, of course, that the KKK is allowed to have parades down Main Street in various
cities around the country? Some of these cities are actually home to large universities. I don't see any
PC advocates stepping in to stop *those* disgusting spectacles.
Sara
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:08:43 GMT, Sara <sfran...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> >> >Using that logic, we should have expelled all white guys during the
> >> >> >Civil Rights struggle, since they were the ones doing the killing and bombing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Linda C.
> >> >>
> >> >> Were large groups of white men plotting to destroy the United States and forcibly convert everyone
> >> to their religion?
> >> >>
> >> >They were plotting to kill anyone who wanted to end desegregation. And
> >> >they would have forcibly converted everyone to their brand of right-wing
> >> >fundamentalism if they could have. Do you know anything about the fight
> >> >for Civil Rights?
> >> >
> >> >Linda C.
> >>
> >> How many innocent white men were falsely accused of being one of them and were treated poorly because
> >> of that?
> >
> >The whites in question were in the majority where this was happening--they pretty much ran everything.
> >
>
> That doesn't answer the question. But it does raise an interesting
> one: Why do you believe it's fine to falsely accuse innocent people of
> heinous acts, just because people with the same skin color "pretty
> much ran everything"?
I don't believe that, and I'm not sure where you got that from. My point was the people perpetrating the
crimes were the establishment in those areas (police, sheriffs, civic leaders, etc). They certainly were not
going to help the FBI find anyone in their districts, as they were part of it.
>
>
> >> Much of that was before my time.
> >
> >Ignorance of history isn't much of an excuse. Knowing the events that went on in our country's recent
> >past would give your arguments more credibility.
> >
>
> Well, you've gotten by OK with little credibility.
>
Oh come on--you can throw insults better than that. Fess up--you wanted to emphasize how young you are, but
it came off sounding like an excuse of ignorance.
Sara
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:02:33 GMT, Sara <sfran...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >They could have launched their attack from outside the US.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yeah, so? They didn't. They were here and they exploited our P.C.
> >> squeamishness.
> >
> >Exploited our *PC squeamishness*? The hijackers' accomplishments had absolutely nothing to do with PC.
> >
> >What they *did* exploit was (1) our ridiculously inept airport security system (2) the disorganized and
> >inefficient INS Agency (you know, the ones who upgraded the hijackers' visas in August and notified the
> >flight school in October?) (3) the fact that our government had totally backburnered the issue of
> >domestic terrorism (4) the *intelligence* of the FBI and CIA.
> >
> >Whether PC will affect security in the future is another issue, but it certainly was not why September
> >11 happened.
> >
>
> PC *is* affecting security. Why else are elderly people and toddlers
> being pulled out of lines at airports to be subjected to more intense
> screenings, body scans, etc.? Why else are so many people so afraid to
> admit that 19 men from a certain region of the world who share the
> same religion committed the atrocities of 9/11, and that there are
> more of them in "sleeper cells" here, waiting to be activated?
That may be true currentlly, but I was responding to your statement that the hijackers exploited our PC,
inferring they were able to pull off the whole thing because of it, when actually, there were a host of other
factors that allowed this to happen.
Sara
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:23:25 GMT, Sara <sfran...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Why are you so willing to let another morning like September 11 happen
> again, just so we don't offend anyone's delicate feelings? Maybe you
> feel confident that it won't happen in your neighborhood anyway, so
> what do you care?
That's an absurd statement. Of course I don't want another 9/11, and I have an apartment in Manhattan, so I
actually do consider it my neighborhood, also. But it can happen anywhere--bridges, nuclear power plants,
cities, so it is foolish for anyone to believe it might not happen where they live.
> >You are also aware, of course, that the KKK is allowed to have parades down Main Street in various
> >cities around the country? Some of these cities are actually home to large universities. I don't see any
> >PC advocates stepping in to stop *those* disgusting spectacles.
>
> Look again. There have been organized protests, and there was a huge
> uproar when the KKK wanted to march in NYC a few years ago. Most of
> them backed out of it when the mayor and/or the NYPD invoked a very
> old law forbidding masks at parades or large gatherings, except for
> specific events like Halloween and costume parades. Come to think of
> it, it was the more conservative elements that countered the KKK here.
> Imagine that.
No, you look again, and you might look in the *heartland* outside of NY. There was a very organized and
accepted KKK march in South Bend, Indiana (home of Notre Dame, and an hour from Chicago) last summer. It was
allowed and there was not much of an uproar about it. I have a friend there who was outraged and wrote a
letter to the Editor of the paper, but he was in the minority. NYC is *not* the average American town, and
there are plenty of them that passively allow this crap to go on.
Sara
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:11:05 GMT, Sara <sfran...@mindspring.com>
> Oh please. I don't consider 36 to be young. But perhaps you are more
> than a little sensitive about your age?
No, not really, but your obsessive fixation on age is pretty well known in this group.
Sara
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:05:19 GMT, Sara <sfran...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> PC *is* affecting security. Why else are elderly people and toddlers
> >> being pulled out of lines at airports to be subjected to more intense
> >> screenings, body scans, etc.? Why else are so many people so afraid to
> >> admit that 19 men from a certain region of the world who share the
> >> same religion committed the atrocities of 9/11, and that there are
> >> more of them in "sleeper cells" here, waiting to be activated?
> >
> >That may be true currentlly, but I was responding to your statement that the hijackers exploited our PC,
> >inferring they were able to pull off the whole thing because of it, when actually, there were a host of other
> >factors that allowed this to happen.
>
> Yes, there was a host of other factors -- most notably, the airlines'
> shitty security measures -- but they were able to take advantage of
> the fact that (pre-9/11) most people were afraid of offending people
> of different ethnic origins and religions out of a fear of being
> labeled as un-PC.
>
> Why did only *one* flight school call the authorities about their
> strange behavior and how they only wanted to learn how to fly planes,
> not take off or land?
I would say because generally, people are pretty passive about getting involved in those matters, i.e. reporting
people to the authorities. Even on a smaller scale, I've noticed in neighborhoods, people are very reluctant to
call the police for suspicious activity or loud noise, etc. Business people would also just rather have the
business and not question it--perhaps even more so in Florida, due to the laid back attitude.
> Why were a number of mosques around the country
> allowed to put forth all sorts of violent speech and hatred -- on a
> similar level to the white supremacists -- without any of the
> government scrutiny that the white supremacists (rightly) receive?
>
Honestly, I don't know, exept for the value put on freedom of speech (even hateful) here. I had actually assumed
that the FBI were keeping an eye on the activities of mosques like that after the first attack on the WTC. I
don't know why they weren't, and I don't think the FBI is particularly PC.
Bill Diamond
alt.gossip.celebrities back on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:09:27 -0500 that
...
> There's more. Howard Kurtz wrote this a few years back in the Washington
>Post:
>
>"On the romantic front, Coulter seems to flit from one relationship to the
>next. After moving here, she dated a Democratic Senate staffer whose
>legislative efforts she opposed. Then she began seeing Bob Guccione Jr., the
>controversial founder of Spin magazine, until becoming disenchanted in
>March. Now she's involved with an FBI agent."
>
> Maybe in a year she'll be dating Bill Clinton.
>
>< FC >
>
Bill
"Example is the school of mankind, and they
will learn at no other." --Edmund Burke
Bill Diamond
alt.gossip.celebrities back on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:47:50 GMT that ...
>>
>So we should choose who should be searched according to their color or nationality?
>
>Linda C.
Ooh! Ooh! We can give them -internal passports- and control their
moves. We can be just like Russia or South Africa that way.
It worked so well there, too.
razzleb...@hotmail.com
<emeral...@rcn.com> wrote:
>Try reading for comprehension next time, jackass. I never denied that
>it happened. And, since you so rudely asked, yes, I do believe that
>the Holocaust happened, as we lost family members in it. Are you going
>to continue to set up straw men, and use them to attack me for things
>I've never said? Go fuck yourself in the bottom of my twit filter.
Damn, you're doin good. Took 16 posts to get you say fuck. Atta girl.
Keep up the good work.
Razzle----------and while you're at it, try some meditation to try and
get rid of all that anger and stress. I have used it for 25 years and
it does a world of good. I might add that it also is good for your
overall health, but the best part is getting rid of the anger
Bill Diamond
>
>Does that give us the right to discriminate against *every* Muslim?
>Don't the innocent ones have enough trouble already?
>
>Linda C.
Exactly! I call on everyone in the Detroit area to go to the Sheikh
restaurant and have dinner. Often. Bring friends.
That's one very loyal american family of arab heritage that has been
horribly attacked by email gossip mongers.
Bill Diamond
>Using that logic, we should have expelled all white guys during the
>Civil Rights struggle, since they were the ones doing the killing and bombing.
>
>Linda C.
Well, with the exception of the Black Panthers and the Operation MOVE
people. But otherwise, the SLA, Weather Underground and those groups
were all yuppie-class suburban brats. White as the train on my
wedding dress, I do declare.
Femalestrom
does. So what. I don't agree with everything they say... but I still watch
them. Tolerance has its limits.... then common sense needs to take over.
Crystal
--
If you don't buckle down, you're never going to hit bottom.
Mary Campbell <cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:a6otjm$3jh$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca...
>
> Well, they've been dating for 4 months and she doesn't seem to have become
> more tolerant in that time.
>
Sara
> Yes, really. It's not a fixation, just a hot button for some people
> that I like pushing every once in a while.
>
OK, I'll buy that--but you're going to have to come up with a new button in 4 years. Age is very nondiscriminatory
<g>.
mslinda
>
> wrote:
>
> >Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> >>
> >> Was that a militia-organized and planned attack, or did McVeigh and a
> >> very few cohorts do it themselves?
> >
> >What difference does that make?
> >
>
> Because, if there's a large organization plotting the overthrow of our
> government or planning terrorist attacks, they should be prosecuted as
> soon as possible.
>
Why does it have to be a "large organization?" I'm sure there are
militia groups in the US larger than the Muslim group that carried out
9/11. The Southern Poverty Law Center has a very interesting site about
our homegrown terrorists. These guys scare me because they look like us
and live among us. Just like the white supremacists who killed four
little girls in Birmingham in 1963.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> and were treated poorly because of that?
>
they pleased.
> Much of that was before my time.
>
So you never studied history? Or watched TV programs like "Eyes on the Prize?"
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> wrote:
>
> >Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> >You are also forgetting the Ku Klux Klan and Nazis.
> >>
> >> The KKK and Nazis have been prosecuted here, but radical Muslims are
> >> not -- until they blow up buildings.
> >>
> >Why should they be prosecuted if they haven't done anything (yet)? Do
> >you advocate prosecuting them for their religion?
> >
> >Linda C.
>
> Because being a member of the KKK is a prosecutable offense (I
> believe), while being an Islamofascist who preaches terrorism is not.
Really? I never heard that mere membership in the KKK was grounds for
prosecution. I believe that no matter what your race, religion or
affiliation, you have to commit a crime first.
> I advocate prosecuting them for preaching and supporting terrorism.
Can we prosecute the homegrown terrorists who threaten to bomb women's
health clinics, too?
>
> Why do you repeatedly attack me for saying things that I did not say?
Do you ever read your posts and look for the implications of your words?
> Do you often fabricate conversations?
Nope. I call 'em as I see 'em.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> wrote:
> >So we should choose who should be searched according to their color or nationality?
> >
>
> Before boarding airplanes? Yes. You search those most likely to be
> terrorists who would hijack and airplane and slam it into a
> skyscraper.
>
What about the homegrown wackos who try to bring on guns and bombs?
Shouldn't we be looking for them, too? Not all Muslims are dangerous and
not all dangerous people are Muslims.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:23:25 GMT, Sara <sfran...@mindspring.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Why are you so willing to let another morning like September 11 happen
> > again, just so we don't offend anyone's delicate feelings? Maybe you
> > feel confident that it won't happen in your neighborhood anyway, so
> > what do you care?
>
> That's an absurd statement. Of course I don't want another 9/11, and I have an apartment in Manhattan, so I
> actually do consider it my neighborhood, also. But it can happen anywhere--bridges, nuclear power plants,
> cities, so it is foolish for anyone to believe it might not happen where they live.
>
tear up the Bill of Rights. Do that and the forces of evil will have
accomplished their mission of destroying our freedom.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> >11 happened.
> >
>
> being pulled out of lines at airports to be subjected to more intense
> screenings, body scans, etc.? Why else are so many people so afraid to
> admit that 19 men from a certain region of the world who share the
> same religion committed the atrocities of 9/11, and that there are
> more of them in "sleeper cells" here, waiting to be activated?
>
be pulled out of line and strip-searched while everyone else gets no
scrutiny at all? If not, what *do* you want?
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> >
> >>
> >> >> >Using that logic, we should have expelled all white guys during the
> >> >> >Civil Rights struggle, since they were the ones doing the killing and bombing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Linda C.
> >> >>
> >> >> Were large groups of white men plotting to destroy the United States and forcibly convert everyone
> >> to their religion?
> >> >>
> >> >They were plotting to kill anyone who wanted to end desegregation. And
> >> >they would have forcibly converted everyone to their brand of right-wing
> >> >fundamentalism if they could have. Do you know anything about the fight
> >> >for Civil Rights?
> >> >
> >> >Linda C.
> >>
> >> How many innocent white men were falsely accused of being one of them and were treated poorly because
> >> of that?
> >
> >The whites in question were in the majority where this was happening--they pretty much ran everything.
> >
>
> one: Why do you believe it's fine to falsely accuse innocent people of
> heinous acts, just because people with the same skin color "pretty
> much ran everything"?
>
of segregation is totally innocent.
> >> Much of that was before my time.
> >
> >Ignorance of history isn't much of an excuse. Knowing the events that went on in our country's recent
> >past would give your arguments more credibility.
> >
>
> Well, you've gotten by OK with little credibility.
>
Actually, she's right-on most of the time. And more calm and
dispassionate than you are. Just because you don't agree with her does
not diminish her credibility.
Linda C.
Wull
I don't read much in this ng but I am glad that I picked
this one.
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
tc.
>
> All I know is that if bleached blonde Jewish women in their mid-30s
> were responsible for acts of terrorism here, I'd be more than happy to
> cooperate with the authorities and show that most of us are not
> terrorists, instead of whining and bitching. I would *expect* to be
> pulled out of line at airports and to undergo extra scrutiny.
Does this mean you look like a young B. Streisand? :-)
I couldn't resist, I suspect that she is not one of your
favorite people.
And while we are at it, who is Ann Coulter?
I wonder if she saw the Sally Field movie?
Wull
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John Savard
<Careless...@aol.comeandgo> wrote, in part:
>On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:50:35 GMT, jsa...@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid
>(John Savard) wrote:
>>However, it's true, you know, that if there hadn't been anyone of Arab
>>extraction in the U.S. as of September 10th 2001, a lot of people who
>>died would still be alive.
>And if there hadn't been any Caucasian former Marines allowed in
>Oklahoma City a few years back, that building wouldn't have been blown
>up, and a whole 'nother set of people would also still be alive. Hey,
>let's just make *everybody* leave. That's it. Yeah.
You certainly do have a good point.
The thing is, though, that most Americans would be affected if they
kicked out all the people of European descent from the U.S., while
most of them would not be affected if those of Arab ancestry were
evicted.
One ethnic group can get along perfectly well without another one.
That's why very few countries have massacred all their women, despite
women being a minority group that doesn't have equal rights in many
countries - it would be a self-limiting stupidity. Of course, the
Taliban and the Yanomamo are illustrations that even this rule has
exceptions.
But genocide, on the other hand, is depressingly common in human
history.
I think it's tragic that Arab-Americans will, even though most of them
are completely innocent, be regarded with intense suspicion from now
on in America, and they don't really have anywhere to go back to,
since the Islamic world is largely made up of closed intolerant
societies in which they will be out of place after having gotten used
to America.
But it certainly is true that after Oklahoma City, nobody started
being suspicious of white people.
The problem is costs versus benefits. Trying to find and get rid of
all the people like Timothy McVeigh would be rather costly. The
terrorist threat from the Arab world is larger, and more specifically
focused. Of course, maybe Osama - or whatever other new terrorist
leader springs up like a mushroom - can get some blond blue-eyed Aryan
from Baader-Meinhof to pull off his next stunt. Maybe.
I hadn't suggested deporting anyone, just not letting people in,
anyways. The U.S. is noted for being just about the only friend Israel
has, and the tensions in the Middle East have been around a long time.
John Savard
wrote, in part:
>Like when we interred the American citizens of Japanese ancestry during WWII?
Only problem I really have with that is that their property was
confiscated without due compensation. Instead, anything that they
couldn't keep during their internment should have been carefully
stored and maintained, to be returned to them after the war was over.
It's true that racism was present in the motivation for this, but
democratic societies are very vulnerable to terrorism, and most people
have a very low tolerance for attempts on their lives.
John Savard
wrote, in part:
>Both involve blaming a large group of people for the actions of a few.
It isn't about blame.
It's about preventing the actions of a few.
Even at the cost of some injustice to a larger group of people.
Because the actions of those few would be a far worse thing - and
would probably make worse injustices to that larger group unavoidable.
Femalestrom
can just drive their truck up to a building? So far the only
thing we need to worry about with our own homegrown
wacko's are the people WITHOUT any weapons of any
kind flipping out and trying to breach the cockpit. And if you
can figure out a way to profile them, I am all for it. I thought
it was a wacky idea at the time, but my husband had an
idea that people should be able to put up a bond, which
would speed certain people through. And yes...people who
could not afford the bond would endure more scrutiny.
But on the same token, why should people who don't have
any inclination to do anything but get to their destination be
penalized. This would create a finical incentive to not
hijack a plane, as well as some background checks. If you
don't want an insurance company looking at your background
for a bond, then you get to wait and be scrutinized.
Crystal
--
If you don't buckle down, you're never going to hit bottom.
mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3C90EBF0...@earthlink.net...
mslinda
>
> >> >Oh come on--you can throw insults better than that. Fess up--you wanted to emphasize how young you are, but
> >> >it came off sounding like an excuse of ignorance.
> >>
> >> Oh please. I don't consider 36 to be young. But perhaps you are more
> >> than a little sensitive about your age?
> >
> >No, not really, but your obsessive fixation on age is pretty well known in this group.
>
> Yes, really. It's not a fixation, just a hot button for some people
> that I like pushing every once in a while.
>
Except you've pushed it so often that it's cold and dead now. You're
getting too close to forty to call anyone else "old" anyway.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> Good old Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa <emeral...@rcn.com> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities back on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:05:48 -0500 that
> ...
> >The KKK and Nazis have been prosecuted here, but radical Muslims are
> >not -- until they blow up buildings.
>
> Building in 1977 with quite a number of hostages. Board of Education
> President and City Council Member Marion Berry was shot by them.
>
So were they prosecuted?
Linda C.
mslinda
> >
> >Were large groups of white men plotting to destroy the United States
> >and forcibly convert everyone to their religion?
>
>
<vbg>
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> Good old mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities back on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:45:17 GMT that ...
> >
> >Does that give us the right to discriminate against *every* Muslim?
> >Don't the innocent ones have enough trouble already?
> >
> >Linda C.
>
> Exactly! I call on everyone in the Detroit area to go to the Sheikh
> restaurant and have dinner. Often. Bring friends.
>
> That's one very loyal american family of arab heritage that has been
> horribly attacked by email gossip mongers.
>
I know at least one Muslim store owner was killed by thugs in the wake
of 9/11. That's why I hate to see more anti-Muslim hate speech stirring
up already-violent assholes.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> Good old Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa <emeral...@rcn.com> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities back on Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:11:17 -0500 that
> ...
> >Caucasian former Marines don't band together to raise money and plot
> >to commit massacres in the United States, and they don't tend to
> >preach about destroying all those infidels who don't belong to their
> >religion.
>
> Umm, dear? I"m afraid we have a problem in the Northwest with
> disaffected groups of ex-military people, mostly Army and Marine Corps
> who cannot adjust to civilian life and have falled under the spell of
> George Rockwell and his minions.
>
> Yes, they have committed murders up there of federal officials, robbed
> banks and engaged in acts of terrorism. Our recently dead (and good!)
> friend little Timmy of Oklahama City fame was involved with just such
> groups.
>
Good points, Bill. Anyone interested in the number of these
organizations in the US should check out:
www.splcenter.org
Linda C.
Wull
hell
Wull
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:21:59 -0600, Wull <gug...@sinamail.com> wrote:
>
> >hah ha ha ha ha
> >
> >I don't read much in this ng but I am glad that I picked
> >this one.
> >
> >Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> >tc.
> >>
> >> All I know is that if bleached blonde Jewish women in their mid-30s
> >> were responsible for acts of terrorism here, I'd be more than happy to
> >> cooperate with the authorities and show that most of us are not
> >> terrorists, instead of whining and bitching. I would *expect* to be
> >> pulled out of line at airports and to undergo extra scrutiny.
> >
> >Does this mean you look like a young B. Streisand? :-)
>
> Good God, no!
>
> >I couldn't resist, I suspect that she is not one of your
> >favorite people.
> >
>
> You guessed right.
>
> >And while we are at it, who is Ann Coulter?
>
> A conservative lawyer, best-selling author and pundit. Tall, very
> thin, long legs, long blonde hair.
>
> >I wonder if she saw the Sally Field movie?
> >
>
> Which one?
>
> --
> "Every one of the innocents who died on Sept. 11 was the most important person on earth to somebody.
> Every death extinguished a world." -- President George W. Bush, 12/11/2001
>
> www.hillary-watch.org
mslinda
>
> hah ha ha ha ha
>
> I don't read much in this ng but I am glad that I picked
> this one.
>
> Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> tc.
> >
> > All I know is that if bleached blonde Jewish women in their mid-30s
> > were responsible for acts of terrorism here, I'd be more than happy to
> > cooperate with the authorities and show that most of us are not
> > terrorists, instead of whining and bitching. I would *expect* to be
> > pulled out of line at airports and to undergo extra scrutiny.
>
> Does this mean you look like a young B. Streisand? :-)
> I couldn't resist, I suspect that she is not one of your
> favorite people.
>
> And while we are at it, who is Ann Coulter?
> I wonder if she saw the Sally Field movie?
*Which* Sally Field movie? Are you aware that she's made more than one?
Linda C.
razzleb...@hotmail.com
><bi...@nospambilldiamond.com> wrote:
>
>>Well, with the exception of the Black Panthers and the Operation MOVE
>>people. But otherwise, the SLA, Weather Underground and those groups
>>were all yuppie-class suburban brats. White as the train on my
>>wedding dress, I do declare.
>>
>>Bill
<emeral...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>Got any pictures of you in that wedding dress? :-)
I do. How many do you want ? I have some nice 8X10 glossies with his
hubby taking off the garter.
Razzle-----don'r forget to send me your credit card number.
Sara
Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:35:42 GMT, jsa...@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid
> (John Savard) wrote:
>
> >I think it's tragic that Arab-Americans will, even though most of them
> >are completely innocent, be regarded with intense suspicion from now
> >on in America, and they don't really have anywhere to go back to,
> >since the Islamic world is largely made up of closed intolerant
> >societies in which they will be out of place after having gotten used
> >to America.
>
> What about relatively young Muslim men who are *not* U.S. citizens and
> are here on visas?
>
The fact is we have to do a lot more than scrutinize young Muslim men--with or without legal visas.
What's to stop terrorists who have the bucks from paying someone who of any race or gender to carry
something on board for them? It's certainly possible. The point is we need *really good* airport
security, which we still do not have. If it causes people inconvenience or higher ticket prices or
taxes, that's the breaks. Countries all over Europe have had soldiers with rifles in the airports for
years, while we have the minimum-wage employee. I don't care how may Muslim men are scrutinized at
airports (and I have not said I am necessarily against it). If they don't upgrade the computer systems,
upgrade the airport employees and increase awareness and communication between the government agencies
and airlines, it can and may happen again. The INS also needs a massive overhaul--it appears to be
virtually useless in keeping the wrong people out and tracking the ones here. But as someone with a
British husband who has gone through various INS processes, I can tell you they waste a hell of a lot of
time and energy on people that don't warrant it, while letting they are casually upgrading terrorists'
visas. They really need to have a branch that specializes in security matters and also weed out the
deadwood and/or corrupt employees.
Bird Lady
emeral...@rcn.com says...
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:01:10 GMT, Bird Lady <avian...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <dlj09uobpbqsshaar...@4ax.com>,
> >emeral...@rcn.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >> >You are also forgetting the Ku Klux Klan and Nazis.
> >> >>
> >> >> not -- until they blow up buildings.
> >> >>
> >> >you advocate prosecuting them for their religion?
> >> >
> >> >Linda C.
> >>
> >> Because being a member of the KKK is a prosecutable offense (I
> >> believe), while being an Islamofascist who preaches terrorism is not.
> >
> >
> >prosecutable offence; never has been. Remember the march in
> >Skokie for god's sake?
> >
>
> Yes, but I've been told that it is prosecutable.
Never anywhere I've heard about.
>
> >>
> >> I advocate prosecuting them for preaching and supporting terrorism.
> >
> >As far as preaching, do you now support what the FBI did at Waco,
> >since David Koresh preached the violent overthrow of the U.S.
> >gov't?
> >
>
> When did I *not* support what the FBI did at Waco?
Whew! Okay, thanks for the consistency. I, on the other hand,
think Waco was pure-T-fuckup, even if Koresh was stashing weapons
and preaching destruction and needed to be held for prosecution.
Hopefully our FBI will eventually learn from it's mistakes.
I don't have a problem with our policing forces monitoring and
infiltrating groups that preach destruction. It would benefit
our nation to identify the truly dangerous elements, and where
their connections lead, rather than rounding up whole mosques and
families in totalitarian efforts. The wholesale interment of a
broad population smacks of desperation, if nothing else.
>
> And what is with the sudden outbreak of people putting words in my
> mouth and then attacking me for things I've never said?
I think you get labeled as a representative for every vein of
right wing ideology, and tossed in with reactionary nuts by
association. Clearly, that isn't fair. I'm sorry I joined the
cabal for a moment.
bel
Bill Diamond
alt.gossip.celebrities back on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:40:39 GMT that ...
I think you should have an equal problem, if not greater in that
German Americans weren't incarcerated, despite there having been
saboteurs planted in their midst by the N@zi government.
So, we prosecuted those inscrutable Asians, deprived them of their
Constitutional rights and protections without due process. We offered
no restitution for the criminal wrongs we committed.
The Germans, meanwhile, were free to move about the country.
Why?
Bill Diamond
alt.gossip.celebrities back on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:04:02 -0800 that
...
The survivors were, yes.
John Smith
mslinda wrote:
> Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:51:51 GMT, mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Were large groups of white men plotting to destroy the United States
> > >> and forcibly convert everyone to their religion?
> > >>
> > >They were plotting to kill anyone who wanted to end desegregation. And
> > >they would have forcibly converted everyone to their brand of right-wing
> > >fundamentalism if they could have. Do you know anything about the fight
> > >for Civil Rights?
> > >
> > >Linda C.
> >
> > How many innocent white men were falsely accused of being one of them
> > and were treated poorly because of that?
> >
> None that I know of. They had all the power at the time and could do as
> they pleased.
>
> > Much of that was before my time.
> >
>
> So you never studied history? Or watched TV programs like "Eyes on the Prize?"
>
Or, for that matter, study anything that interferes with your Duckmanesque rants?
John
John Smith
Bill Diamond wrote:
Because the anti-Nazi German-Americans/Canadians were very vocal, organized and
active in their support for aggression against the Fatherland. In Canada, it made
it seem that German-Canadians were ALL anti-Nazi, which may be close to the truth.
The Mennonites and Hutterites, however, were pro-Nazi. When they went to Kitchener
to shop, they felt the wrath of the Germanic townsfolk. Also, the Silvershirts, the
Canadian fascist movement led by Adrienne Arcand, was literally beaten out of
Kitchener in 1938, leaving Arcand and company with no means of leaving other than
by foot.
But we do know that there were traitors of German decent, like the men that
returned to Germany before Pearl Harbour and donned American uniforms as fifth
columnists for the Nazis at Ardennes. Or the spy ring that docked from a sub in
'42. They weren't monitored until one of them fessed up.
Neither were the Italians in New York who beat and murdered Harlem when Joe Louis
won the boxing match against Primo Carnerra in 1937. And there was little scrutiny
against the America Firsters. Why wasn't Ezra Pound, of English/Irish descent,
detained in the early '40s when he was ranting for fascism IN the U.S.A.? Simple.
It can't happen here. Yeah. It just can't happen here...
John
deb
"Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa" <emeral...@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:dlj09uobpbqsshaar...@4ax.com...
> Because being a member of the KKK is a prosecutable offense (I
> believe), while being an Islamofascist who preaches terrorism is not.
>
Based on what you have posted in this thread so far it is obvious you were
not much of a history nor civics student. Have you ever heard of the
Constitution? You might want to do the homework you must have skipped back
in 8th grade and brush up on the Bill of Rights (It's part of the
Constitution) The first amendment clearly states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
So as my students would point out, no it is not a "prosecutable offense" to
be a member of any organization (i.e. the Ku Klux Klan) no matter how
distasteful. Their right to believe, organize and publish whatever racist
nonsense they want is protected under the same document that protects your
rights and the rights of Muslim-Americans. It is only AFTER a crime (and
adhering to racist beliefs is not a crime in this country) is committed that
they can be prosecuted.
--Deb
mslinda
>
>
> >
> >"Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa" <emeral...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> >news:dlj09uobpbqsshaar...@4ax.com...
> >
> >> Because being a member of the KKK is a prosecutable offense (I
> >> believe), while being an Islamofascist who preaches terrorism is not.
> >>
> >Based on what you have posted in this thread so far it is obvious you were
> >not much of a history nor civics student. Have you ever heard of the
> >Constitution? You might want to do the homework you must have skipped back
> >in 8th grade and brush up on the Bill of Rights (It's part of the
> >Constitution) The first amendment clearly states:
> >
>
> allowed to work with children. I pity them.
>
Because she corrects them and tells them to do their homework? They're
lucky to have her.
You just don't like getting caught with your pants down and don't want
to admit that your knowledge of history is lacking.
Linda C.
Richard Rongstad
>
> Good old jsa...@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid (John Savard) wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities back on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:40:39 GMT that ...
> >On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:23:35 GMT, mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net>
> >wrote, in part:
> >
> >>Like when we interred the American citizens of Japanese ancestry during WWII?
As pointed previously, Ms Linda Cauthen doesn't know the difference
between interred and interned which means she shouldn't be an
undertaker or work for the INS.
> >Only problem I really have with that is that their property was
> >confiscated without due compensation. Instead, anything that they
> >couldn't keep during their internment should have been carefully
> >stored and maintained, to be returned to them after the war was over.
> >
> >It's true that racism was present in the motivation for this, but
> >democratic societies are very vulnerable to terrorism, and most people
> >have a very low tolerance for attempts on their lives.
> >
> >John Savard
> >http://plaza.powersurfr.com/jsavard/index.html
>
> I think you should have an equal problem, if not greater in that
> German Americans weren't incarcerated, despite there having been
> saboteurs planted in their midst by the N@zi government.
This is nonsense Bill.
You got it all wrong here Bill. I'll give you a little tutorial.
First, during World War II, persons of Japanese ancestry were
(1) relocated, (2) interned, (3) detained, (4) deported.
This involved both Japanese citizens and American citizens.
Executive Order 9066 was a key directive in this, but not the
only one. Persons of Japanese ancestry that were
non-citizens were aliens. Upon Declaration of War, they became
enemy aliens. I'd guess the majority of the Japanese enemy aliens
had families, children that were U.S. citizens by birth, many
under the age of 18. Most of the persons of Japanese ancestry
in the West Coast Exclusion Zone were relocated. When alien
status was confirmed they were generally interned.
Instead of breaking up families, U.S. policy generally kept them
together, with underage children accompanying their parents.
I don't have the figures handy, but adult children (Americans of
Japanese ancestry) accompanied their aged enemy alien parents to
the internment camps. Detention was reserved for troublemakers
that bullied other relocatees and internees, and for recalcitrants
that swore allegiance to Japan and Emperor Hirohito. These hardcases
eventually caused the conversion of Tule Lake camp to a detention
center. An astonishing number of these, 5,000 I think,
demanded repatriation to Japan.
What you don't seem to know is that enemy aliens of other
ancestry were also interned. These included persons of Italian,
German ancestry and citizenship, also probably Romanians and
a few others.
Arthur Jacobs was a young boy of German ancestry who was interned
with other Germans, Japanese and Italians and Crystal City, Texas.
You ought to ask him about it.
Here's some references for you:
Mad Minute #97-20 Racist law excluded Germans, Italians
http://www.vikingphoenix.com/news/madminute/1997/mm970020.htm
Italians seek apology for WWII uprooting, not ($) compensation
http://www.vikingphoenix.com/news/stn/1997/pirn9733.htm
Italian and Italian-American Internment: Italians seek apology for WWII
uprooting
http://www.vikingphoenix.com/public/JapanIncorporated/eo9066/9066it-1.htm
CNN screws up story on Italian "enemy aliens"
http://www.vikingphoenix.com/news/madminute/1997/mm970019.htm
Mother Jones falsifies history, ignores facts, censors rebuttals (Part
1)
http://www.vikingphoenix.com/news/stn/1999/stn99003.htm
Arthur Jacobs letter rebuts Robert Ito's bogus MoJo News article (Part
2)
http://www.vikingphoenix.com/news/stn/1999/mojojcbs.htm
William Hopwood's letter rebuts MoJo Wire article by Robert Ito (Part 3)
http://www.vikingphoenix.com/news/stn/1999/mojohopw.htm
> So, we prosecuted those inscrutable Asians, deprived them of their
> Constitutional rights and protections without due process. We offered
> no restitution for the criminal wrongs we committed.
During wartime, enemy aliens don't have the same Constitutional rights
and protections as citizens, in any country with a Constitution, or
any other body of laws. This is not a difficult concept.
> The Germans, meanwhile, were free to move about the country.
Wrong.
As far as German saboteurs goes, it's very clear that some German
saboteurs were landed by submarine. I recall that all but one were
executed, and then not until the war was almost won. Roosevelt
and/or Truman didn't want to give the Germans the slightest
pretext to start executing American POW.
> Why?
Because you got it wrong, that's why.
By the way, as a funny aside, the U.S. Census Bureau helped
Roosevelt and his aides to locate persons of Japanese ancestry.
In 2000, the Japanese American Citizens League (JACL) encouraged
its members and the entire Asian community to cooperate with
what was the most intrusive census in my memory, quite possibly
the most intrusive census in U.S. history. Some people never
learn.
Then after 9-11 JACL and other similar organizations condemned
the U.S. authorities for daring to look at people that appeared
to be of Middle Eastern ancestry.
Ain't multiculturalism a hoot?
> Bill
> "Example is the school of mankind, and they
> will learn at no other." --Edmund Burke
I don't what the above quote has to do with getting the facts straight.
Now, on to more important things, the Lakers are taking on the
hapless Warriors in Oakland tonight, gotta go catch it on the
tube. At this moment the Laker's lead by 2 points but Shaq's toe
is in bad shape, and things might work out yet on this night
for the Warriors.
Richard Rongstad
mslinda
>
> :-D
>
Not when you get *really* old.
Linda C.
razzleb...@hotmail.com
<emeral...@rcn.com> wrote:
>Can I give you his instead? :-)
Depends on what "his" is.
Razzle------sucker for blonde hair, blue eyes. And you shut up Big J.
Big J
news:lcb49u8dco0v4d7dm...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:50:10 GMT, razzleb...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Razzle------sucker for blonde hair, blue eyes. And you shut up Big J.
>
> Throwing lines like that out there and then expecting them to be
> ignored is cruel and usual punishment, Razzle. It's unconstitutional.
I wasn't going to say anything because I think it's kind of "EEEWWW" to
suck hair and eyes.
Big J
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Big J wrote:
> Kristina <Careless...@aol.comeandgo> wrote in
> news:lcb49u8dco0v4d7dm...@4ax.com:
>
> > On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:50:10 GMT, razzleb...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>Razzle------sucker for blonde hair, blue eyes. And you shut up Big J.
> >
> > Throwing lines like that out there and then expecting them to be
> > ignored is cruel and usual punishment, Razzle. It's unconstitutional.
>
> I wasn't going to say anything because I think it's kind of "EEEWWW" to
> suck hair and eyes.
>
> Big J
>
OOOH! Now we know that Big J isn't of the UNDEAD!!!!! (Oops. I think I've
revealed us, Raz. Sorry!)
John
"I don't drink...wine."
Bela in Dracula.
razzleb...@hotmail.com
<Careless...@aol.comeandgo> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:50:10 GMT, razzleb...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Razzle------sucker for blonde hair, blue eyes. And you shut up Big J.
>
>Throwing lines like that out there and then expecting them to be
>ignored is cruel and usual punishment, Razzle. It's unconstitutional.
>
>Kristina
>*~*~*~*
Exactly, why do you think I do it?
Razzle-----I knew he'd go for it, just check out the next post.
Shadowy Moon
news:ikj09uo4srsgrlcep...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:47:50 GMT, mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >So we should choose who should be searched according to their color or
nationality?
> >
>
> Before boarding airplanes? Yes. You search those most likely to be
> terrorists who would hijack and airplane and slam it into a
> skyscraper.
Yeah, and then the average-looking white guy can sneak past and park a truck
bomb in front of a federal building in Oklahoma. But stuff like that never
happens.
Oh, wait.
Dude, there are nuts of *every* race, religion, what have you. Once we start
devoting all our time and energies to watching out for just one particular
trait, that's when someone with a completely different background is going
to kick us in the ass.
Moon
Ambrose Meineke
"Shadowy Moon" <shadowymoo...@postmark.net> wrote in message
news:a6u56...@enews2.newsguy.com...
> "Crouching Intern Stolen Sofa" <emeral...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:ikj09uo4srsgrlcep...@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:47:50 GMT, mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> > >So we should choose who should be searched according to their color or
> nationality?
> > >
> >
> Yeah, and then the average-looking white guy can sneak past and park a
truck
> bomb in front of a federal building in Oklahoma. But stuff like that never
> happens.
>
> Oh, wait.
>
> Dude, there are nuts of *every* race, religion, what have you. Once we
start
> devoting all our time and energies to watching out for just one particular
> trait, that's when someone with a completely different background is going
> to kick us in the ass.
>
> Moon
>
whose name escapes me), that the FBI deliberately avoided was the issue of
the multiple sightings of a Samoan or Native American looking man named
Robert (with the French pronunciation), who accompanied McVey and or Nichols
but who did not fit the John Doe no.2 description. Also ignored were the
numerous trips that Nichols took to the Philippines in connection with his
wife's family who had connections to Muslim Rebels on Mindanao, who,
incidentally were funded by Ben Laden's Al Quaida. The FBI knew that the
Philippine Rebels had been trying to recruit Americans for terrorist acts in
the US, because patriotic Philippine-American's or supporters had informed
the FBI numerous times prior to the OKC tragedy. If you examine the angry,
violent, former tank gunner McVey who had killed for America and examine his
motives, you could easily speculate that McVey hated America, not only
because of the April 19 disaster in Waco TX. but because he had been
rejected by the Army Rangers school, after which, he soon left the Army.
Consider a young man, abandoned by his mother, whose only emotional
connection, his grandfather, died, and who had been rejected from the only
thing he wanted in life, the Army. To me, the scenario of a disaffected
soldier who commits to an act of terror against the country he once served,
that he now feels is undeserving is less of a stretch, than to it is to
imagine a smart, attractive, young man from a wealthy Marin Country liberal
humanitarian home, leaving comfort and luxury to go off and join the most
punitively repressive form of Islam, and then to volunteer to live in caves
and fight for country of thugs who call themselves Islamic students, when,
in fact, their main purpose was to control, kill, rape and mutilate the very
people it purported to want to lead into righteousness.
I can almost see Bruce Dern in Black Sunday as he and Marte Keller test
the hideous device that they intended to slaughter innocent viewers of the
Superbowl. But of course, McVey is dead, and Nichols soon will be, and no
one knows what happened to "Robert."
And the Globalists favorite boy is in the WH and Tipper Gore is going
to join Hillary on the Hill in front of the GW obelisk, the largest phallic
symbol in the world, while Bill and Al sit home getting fat as neutered
hound dogs. Ever why Dick Cheney is always smiling?
Ambrose--Ah, smile already; if
it ain't fun to speculate on, you spent to much time stuck in traffic.;-)