Lena Horne's ex-girlfriend Dead
GreenIce
November 2, 2002
Jeanne L. Noble, 76, Pioneer in Education, Is Dead
By THE NEW YORK TIMES
Dr. Jeanne L. Noble, a professor of education who in 1962 became one
of the first African-American women to receive tenure at New York
University, died on Oct. 17 at New York University Medical Center. She
was 76.
She had congestive heart failure, a friend, Paula Giddings, said.
Dr. Noble, who received her undergraduate degree from Howard
University and a doctorate in education from Columbia University,
joined the N.Y.U. faculty in 1959.
At the time of her death, she was professor emeritus at the City
University of New York's Graduate Center and at Brooklyn College.
In 1963, she joined efforts to desegregate her hometown, Albany, Ga.,
as national president of the Delta Sigma Theta sorority.
In 1964, she was chosen by President Johnson to help plan the Women's
Job Corps, a component of his national plan to fight poverty.
Later, she was appointed by Presidents Nixon and Ford to serve on
national educational commissions.
Dr. Noble wrote "The Negro Woman as College Graduate," published in
1956, and a history of African-American women, "Beautiful, Also, Are
the Souls of My Black Sisters," published in 1978.
In 1970, she won a regional Emmy Award for writing and moderating the
CBS television program "The Learning Experience."
Jeanne Laveta Noble was born on July 18, 1926. She is survived by two
brothers, John, of St. Louis, and William, of Albany, Ga.
Lemonbleu
as national president of the Delta Sigma Theta sorority. >>
Rest in Peace Soror
LB
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Peter J.
>
>This woman was her lover in the 1960s. (gay, yes)
>
Where did you hear this?
RJRSJ1
Lena Horne is gay? Well I'll be damned! You *do* learn something new here
everyday.
Big J
news:20021107084219...@mb-ca.aol.com:
>>This woman was her lover in the 1960s. (gay, yes)
>
> Lena Horne is gay? Well I'll be damned! You *do* learn something new here
> everyday.
>
I'd never even heard a whisper of that - even in this group.
Big J
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Keith Moon
Yes, I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but still there's
a lack of rumors, so I'd like to know how reliable the info is before
I consider it.
Now, some of those blues singers like Ethel Waters and Alberta Hunter
went both ways, which I find a lot more believable, but I'd hardly
call Lena Horne a blues singer.
Addison DeWitt
> rjr...@aol.comzyxqyzx (RJRSJ1) wrote in
> news:20021107084219...@mb-ca.aol.com:
>
> >>This woman was her lover in the 1960s. (gay, yes)
> >
> > Lena Horne is gay? Well I'll be damned! You *do* learn something new here
> > everyday.
> >
>
> I'd never even heard a whisper of that - even in this group.
>
> Big J
OH DARLINGS! I SUUUUURE have heard this! I am in the theater!
I think because so many people on the internet were born after 1975,
they don't know who Lena is let along anything about her
personally...this is not very difficult to figure out, even without
*inside* info. Miss Lena has also done A LOT of talking through the
years, things that perhaps she now wishes she hadn't said (!)
This reminds me of the time in 1971 when that nutty story hit the
movie magazines that Rock Hudson had "married" Jim Nabors. I thought,
hmmmmmmm. Did some research, found out that Rock had a brief marriage
in the 1950s and ...NOTHING. The guy was single yet was NEVER in the
columns, never attended a public function with a date, never talked
about a relationship with ANY woman, there were never stories or any
info about him in a relationship with any woman, NO DATES of any kind!
There was even kind of a "blackout" about his social comings & goings.
Hmmmmmmm, I thought, yeah, the guy must be gay. I was correct!
Now, Miss Lena. SHE has admitted that she married her (2nd) husband
for career advancement not love, SHE admitted that she separated from
him in 1960 and then became her "real self" and became "sexually
liberated", and, and....it's very similar to Rock Hudson! The husband
from whom she was separated, died in 1971. In 1971 she was over 50 but
a really sexy babe still (see Sanford & Son episode she was on); HAVE
YOU EVER HEARD OF HER IN ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH A MAN? Have you ever
seen her with a date in public? Have you ever even heard of her social
comings & goings? She lived mostly in New York City not in a log cabin
in VT...What's the matter with her? Like Rock, TOO UGLY TO GET A DATE?
Yeah! That's the ticket!
There's oodles of info I could talk about...but let me end with this
tidbit: I have seen her mentioned as gay on several msg board over the
past year. In May, there was a lengthy Blind Item about her at The
National Enquirer msg board. EXACTLY one week later, Page Six in The
NY Post prints an item PLANTED by a publicist referring to an "affair"
Miss Lena supposedly had with her "Death of a Gunfighter" co-star
Richard Widmark, in the 70s. Earth to publicist: that movie was
filmed in the 60s, Lena was living with someone (not a man!) in Santa
Barbara in the 70s, and Richard Widmark is MARRIED and lives in CT!!!
She must think that seeming to have an affair with a married man is
more respectible than being a lesbian...well, at least we all know
that she's still alive...I'd say that this sort of "denial" pretty
much confirms it. Straight people like to believe that if a person has
been married or has children they couldn't possibly be gay! (Not!) I
am happy for her that she's gay, and there MUCH MORE juicy stuff about
here and this Jeanne Noble babe.
I could go on and on with info...ask me some questions if your
interested!
GreenIce
> She was married to the same guy for years and years, until his death.
> Yes, I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but still there's
> a lack of rumors, so I'd like to know how reliable the info is before
> I consider it.
>
> Now, some of those blues singers like Ethel Waters and Alberta Hunter
> went both ways, which I find a lot more believable, but I'd hardly
> call Lena Horne a blues singer.
>
First, Alberta Hunter and Ethel Waters were d*kes, forget this "both
ways" BS. Many times women discover their sexuality later in life,
like after an early marriage and children. It's not like, gee, I want
to s*ck a d*ck, I must be gay, the way men figure it out! No. 2, Lena
Horne is still alive and a BIG CLOSTE CASET (for some reason, even
though a huge liberal) lawsuits if outed. Three, Lena was out of the
"Hollywood scene" a long time ago, she's a New Yorker, even though she
lived in CA for a bit in the seventies. Many people like to think that
women over 40 are sexless = not a whole lot of rumors. The husband to
which you refer was a dumpy fat guy way older than her who she
ADMITTED she married to get into better working conditions because he
was white - she SAID she didn't "love" the guy; "learned to love" him
= learned to like him a lot. I doubt they ever slept together. She may
have been married to him a long time, but didn't live with him for the
last 10 years of his life, and who knows how closely she EVER lived
with the guy. I have heard rumors about her sexuality, in NYC, since
1983.
This woman Jeanne Noble, see Arthur Laurent's autobio for more info on
her "influence" over Lena in the sixties, was a lesbian and a very
close personal friend of hers. Lena hasn't had a man in her life for
40 years, she hangs almost exclusively with lesbians...hasn't dated a
man EVER...do the math. The reason she stayed married to that fat guy
until his death (in 1970) was that he was a convenient BEARD. No dates
since that time!
Lemonbleu
I could go on and on with info...ask me some questions if your
interested!
>>
ah..no, she is 70plus, not interested in her sex life. Now if you know her
beauty routinue....spill!
Quatorzejames
communities, i think that's why she stays in the closet.
she broke so many barriers, and took so many chances in her career, while
remaining poised, classy, intelligent
and representing as a race woman always and foremost.
such a role model!
i'm sure she feels a real responsibility to keep the shining image
"untarnished",
and who can blame the old broad?
i mean, you can come out to people magazine, but
*jet* magazine?
i don't think so.
let's see what happens w/janet jackson -
now that would be a cover story!
GreenIce
I think you hit the nail on the head, sista!
She deserves all the respect she gets from all communities, but today
being gay is not something people are or should be "ashamed" of.
Especially not something a huge progressive liberal like her should
afraid to reveal. It's not that I think she must come out so much as
she shouldn't be lying so much. Since "outing" became a practice in
1988 by some press, she has done some of her biggest lying, but to be
fair, she hasn't sone an interview nor been seen in public in few
years.
Someone else said:
"ah..no, she is 70plus, not interested in her sex life. Now if you
know her
beauty routinue....spill!"
A person does not lose their sexuality with age or whether they have a
partner or not! I imagine she has a long time partner with whom she's
lived for many years, like a marriage, she's not hanging at clubs
trying to pick up chicks. And don't fool yourself, older people 70+ DO
think about and have sex lives! And if you think ahout it, she
probably could choose whomever she wanted...
As for the beauty stuff, I saw that she had some plastic surgery, but
not a complete face lift, long time ago. The rest is probably
genetics.
Know-It-All
since her Broadway show of 1981-84.
Here's a little tidbit for you:
She later mostly went with white chicks, but I will mention two gay
black female singers from the past who along with Lena all knew each
other very well: Billie Holiday and Carmen McRae.
Yes, Billie knew Carmen very well at one time, Lena knew Billie very
well in her youth, Carmen knew Lena. I don't know how well Lena and
Carmen really "knew" each other, but they hung out together. Birds of
a feather hang together because famous closet cases trust each other
to keep their secrets. They can also kiss their girlfriends in front
of them and know it will not make the newspapers.
Big J <bi...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<Xns92BF4E14F9F20...@128.242.126.69>...
Know-It-All
Lena was very politically active and associated with left wing
activists (as well as lesbians) in the 1960s, don't you think there
was FBI survelance of her at that time? The FBI probably has audio
and video/film of her DOING IT with this Jeanne Noble woman! And Lord
knows what other classified dirt they have on her with other women.
In 15 years or so when this comes out, many people are going to feel
betrayed by her lies - her "classy" image will be tarnished BECAUSE
she stayed in the closet not because she came out of it.
quator...@aol.com (Quatorzejames) wrote in message news:<20021108021754...@mb-cd.aol.com>...
Podkayne Fries
(Addison DeWitt) wrote:
>Big J <bi...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<Xns92BF4E14F9F20...@128.242.126.69>...
>> I'd never even heard a whisper of that - even in this group.
I remember hearing rumors back in the late 70s, FWIW. It's been so
long that I don't remember where I heard them, though. I was a
musician back then and used to hear juicy gossip in the studio.
>
>OH DARLINGS! I SUUUUURE have heard this! I am in the theater!
And this is so important to you that you felt compelled to post
this under two different IDs? In case you didn't know, Google
records users' posting hosts, and yours is exactly the same as
that of guitars...@hotmail.com (GreenIce). Using sock
puppets to add weight to your remarks is considered to be a Bad
Thing. HTH!
--
Regards, Podkayne Fries
Death before ducks out of row.
Beach Club
>
> In 15 years or so when this comes out, many people are going to feel
> betrayed by her lies - her "classy" image will be tarnished BECAUSE
> she stayed in the closet not because she came out of it.
What a very silly thing to say. Lena Horne is really of a different
era. Nobody will care whether she "came out" or not. She is a classy
lady who made it in show business in an era when the color line could
hardly be crossed.
onehawk...@gmail.com
Miloch
onehawk...@gmail.com says...
>On Thursday, November 7, 2002 at 9:09:44 PM UTC-5, Addison DeWitt wrote:
>ealb...@128.242.126.69>...
>> > rjr...@aol.comzyxqyzx (RJRSJ1) wrote in=20
>> > news:20021107084219...@mb-ca.aol.com:
>> >=20
>> > > Lena Horne is gay? Well I'll be damned! You *do* learn something new =
>here
>> > > everyday.
>> > >=20
>> >=20
>> > Big J
>>=20
>>=20
>> I think because so many people on the internet were born after 1975,
>> they don't know who Lena is let along anything about her
>> personally...this is not very difficult to figure out, even without
>> *inside* info. Miss Lena has also done A LOT of talking through the
>> years, things that perhaps she now wishes she hadn't said (!)
>> movie magazines that Rock Hudson had "married" Jim Nabors. I thought,
>> hmmmmmmm. Did some research, found out that Rock had a brief marriage
>> in the 1950s and ...NOTHING. The guy was single yet was NEVER in the
>> columns, never attended a public function with a date, never talked
>> about a relationship with ANY woman, there were never stories or any
>> info about him in a relationship with any woman, NO DATES of any kind!
>> There was even kind of a "blackout" about his social comings & goings.
>> Hmmmmmmm, I thought, yeah, the guy must be gay. I was correct!
>> for career advancement not love, SHE admitted that she separated from
>> him in 1960 and then became her "real self" and became "sexually
>> liberated", and, and....it's very similar to Rock Hudson! The husband
>> from whom she was separated, died in 1971. In 1971 she was over 50 but
>> a really sexy babe still (see Sanford & Son episode she was on); HAVE
>> YOU EVER HEARD OF HER IN ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH A MAN? Have you ever
>> seen her with a date in public? Have you ever even heard of her social
>> comings & goings? She lived mostly in New York City not in a log cabin
>> in VT...What's the matter with her? Like Rock, TOO UGLY TO GET A DATE?
>> Yeah! That's the ticket!
>> tidbit: I have seen her mentioned as gay on several msg board over the
>> past year. In May, there was a lengthy Blind Item about her at The
>> National Enquirer msg board. EXACTLY one week later, Page Six in The
>> NY Post prints an item PLANTED by a publicist referring to an "affair"
>> Miss Lena supposedly had with her "Death of a Gunfighter" co-star
>> Richard Widmark, in the 70s. Earth to publicist: that movie was
>> filmed in the 60s, Lena was living with someone (not a man!) in Santa
>> Barbara in the 70s, and Richard Widmark is MARRIED and lives in CT!!!
>> She must think that seeming to have an affair with a married man is
>> more respectible than being a lesbian...well, at least we all know
>> that she's still alive...I'd say that this sort of "denial" pretty
>> much confirms it. Straight people like to believe that if a person has
>> been married or has children they couldn't possibly be gay! (Not!) I
>> am happy for her that she's gay, and there MUCH MORE juicy stuff about
>> here and this Jeanne Noble babe.
>> interested!
>
> she was, beautiful, classy and talented. If she wanted you to know anythin=
>g, she would have told you. Your conjecture is shallow and indicative of so=
>me homosexuals who 'want EVERYONE' to be gay. I don't think Lena Horne was,=
> but I'll never know the truth. You are imploring yourself to shape an argu=
>ment that is ridiculously callous.
According to the time stamp of the original poster, Big J, it was made in
2002!... and people are just getting around to replying!!????
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