Paula Yates - Vanity Fair Article
Kewl Kat
Paula Yates. In a nutshell the writer claims that Bob Geldof was
controlling and evil and caused not only the suicide of Hutchence but
the fact that she couldn't get herself cleaned up off the drugs and
alcohol afterwards.
Geldof, of course, declined to be interviewed for the magazine.
Of course, they also mentioned (in passing) that although Ms. Yates was
a teetotaler while she was married to Geldof she did not drink or do
drugs, confirmed by her friends. Hutchence introduced her to the
partying lifestyle and heroin, ecstacy etc.
The only people interviewed for this story were her two "best" friends,
including the one who found her dead, because she had called to remind
Paula that it was Paula's daughters birthday that day. (It's pretty bad
that she has to be reminded that it was her daughter's birthday). That
was the direct quote that she was called to remind her.
But in the same article her friends contend that she was still the
greatest mother in the world to her kids even though she was partying
like a rock star group with Hutchence.
And their proof of Geldof's controlling behaviour? One of them had to
handle Paula's finances and she had to get "really close" to Geldof to
do so. Once he yelled on her over the phone, she says, but then he
called back a half hour later to apologize...
Anyways, the article did not convince me that Paula was this wonderful,
intelligent, suffering victim of the British Media that it was trying to
portray her as.
Kewl
Billie
doubt anyone would believe the story.
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>
> Man, VF is really scaping the bottom for anything to sell their magazine. I
> doubt anyone would believe the story.
>
There was also an article on Lara Flynn Boyle that I have yet to read,
but again it appears to be another suck up job
Kewl
Gillian White
It did seem to come to the conclusion that Hutchence had led her into drink
and drugs, and that she may even regretted divorcing Geldof - apparently she
had had a huge crush on MH for years before she met him, and her life with
MH after their marriage was not what she had hoped for.
It also appeared that Geldof was still very much in love with her at the
time of the divorce, and was genuinely very upset at her death. They didn't
paint a very complimentary picture of Yates, but one thing that everyone
seemed to agree on was that she was a devoted mother.
I found her a thoroughly annoying woman however...
Gillian
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The closest I can compare Paula to a US celeb. is Courtney Love. Except
paula didn't have the intelligence or discipline to pull it off. Getting
pregnant is just not enough these days. someone should tell some of these
Brit. social climbers.
V.S.S.
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Ozzy Osbourne: I don't drink or do drugs anymore. I used to drink a couple
of
bottles of Dom Perignon, lines of coke and bags of pot, then fall down the
steps of the tour bus when I arrived in the next town. I just got tired of
waking up in my own urine or with a cold pizza stuck to my face. ... I'm not
perfect, you know. I have a glass of wine once in a while or a joint to
relax. ... If you walked in my shoes, you would be doing smack.
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Kewl Kat
>
> Was this Vanity Fair U.S. or U.K.?
> The closest I can compare Paula to a US celeb. is Courtney Love. Except
> paula didn't have the intelligence or discipline to pull it off. Getting
> pregnant is just not enough these days. someone should tell some of these
> Brit. social climbers.
>
edition.
There was a bit in the article about how Courtney approached Paula, told
her what a big fan she was of Paula, how much she admired and emulated
her - she later phoned her up and wanted "To Hang" with Paula.
Kewl
Kewl Kat
>
> There was program shown about her life and death here in the UK a while ago.
> It did seem to come to the conclusion that Hutchence had led her into drink
> and drugs, and that she may even regretted divorcing Geldof - apparently she
> had had a huge crush on MH for years before she met him, and her life with
> MH after their marriage was not what she had hoped for.
>
> It also appeared that Geldof was still very much in love with her at the
> time of the divorce, and was genuinely very upset at her death. They didn't
> paint a very complimentary picture of Yates, but one thing that everyone
> seemed to agree on was that she was a devoted mother.
The VF seemed to skew Geldof's reaction at the divorce as part of his
"controlling behaviour", rather than someone upset that she left him for
some drug-addled pop star that she had a crush on. They seemed to feel
that because he didn't renew her contract on "The Big Breakfast" it
triggered her downward spiral.
Also, VF claims that no one will comment on Geldof's "controlling
behaviour" because he has such powerful friend in the music biz (Bono,
David Bowie) and if you speak out against him, you'll be ostracized.
For being such a devoted mother, why in the end did she have to be
reminded that it was her daughter's birthday. Sounds like she was
devoted to being a mother, but not exactly devoted to her kids...
Kewl, not knowing much about Paula before, I can say I'm thoroughly
unimpressed
Billie
>They didn't
>> paint a very complimentary picture of Yates, but one thing that everyone
>> seemed to agree on was that she was a devoted mother
Whoever considered her a devoted mother was raised by a pack of wolves. Just
because women expound that they love their children, doesn't make them good
mothers. Good mothers don't die of an overdose of drugs and alcohol to be
found by their child on their birthday. They get help, or at least make sure
their child is properly being taken care of while they're slowly killing
themselves.
Billie
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"Gillian White" <gil...@axsys.co.uk> wrote:
> There was program shown about her life and death here in the UK a
while ago.
> It did seem to come to the conclusion that Hutchence had led her into
drink
> and drugs, and that she may even regretted divorcing Geldof -
apparently she
> had had a huge crush on MH for years before she met him, and her life
with
> MH after their marriage was not what she had hoped for.
>
> It also appeared that Geldof was still very much in love with her at
the
> time of the divorce, and was genuinely very upset at her death. They
didn't
> paint a very complimentary picture of Yates, but one thing that
everyone
> seemed to agree on was that she was a devoted mother.
>
dog existance: frequently fighting and having affairs with others.
Don't think it was a great environment for kids to grow up in.
I don't think Bob getting custody of Tiger Lily was a good idea
either. It must mean something if his 17-year-old daughter, Fifi, had
already moved out of his house and was living on her own by the time
Paula passed away. I could imagine he'd be very controlling and
domineering.
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The Lovely Tripitaka
>I'm sure Bob's no demon, nor angel, but I seem to recall that he took
>up with Paula when she was 17, and he was in his thirties.
No, Bob Geldof was born in 1954, thus making him about 5 years older
than Paula Yates. IIRC she was quite well known on the music/scene at
the time of their getting together.
Joolz
Bob
Lovely Tripitaka) wrote:
She had published a book entitled "Rock Stars in their Underpants" ISTR
Bob
E Varden
>
> Gillian White wrote:
>
> >They didn't
> >> paint a very complimentary picture of Yates, but one thing that everyone
> >> seemed to agree on was that she was a devoted mother
>
> Whoever considered her a devoted mother was raised by a pack of wolves. Just
> because women expound that they love their children, doesn't make them good
> mothers. Good mothers don't die of an overdose of drugs and alcohol to be
> found by their child on their birthday. They get help, or at least make sure
> their child is properly being taken care of while they're slowly killing
> themselves.
>
Way to cut to the chase, Billie.
From all the evidence, I can't *blame* Paula...but neither can
there ever be ascribed to her "a good mother".
She was a loon, she lost it. And she irreparably harmed her
children.
She was overwhelmed, and in that process lost all claim to being
even a decent mother.
She fucked her kids.
Pay for it, hapless bitch. For a hatfull of reincarnations.
Pe
Kewl Kat
According to VF, the book was published in 1980 and she "took up" with
Geldof in 1977, when she was 17. The only thing she did before she met
Geldof was "landing a public-relations position in television that she
kept for just a few weeks."
Here's a quote:
"The other members of the Boomtoom Rats called her "the Limpet" so
sedulous was her pursuit of their lanky, bedraggled and highly
opinionated front man. Band manager Fachtna O'Kelly remembers Yates as a
"relatively tough cookie" who bore on her right biceps a large tattoo of
the word HELL, in honor of a previous conquest, the New York punk-rocker
Richard Hell....After she visited him [Geldof]...at Christmas 1977, they
began living together...Yates would later tell the London Times "I spent
a year in bed playing the starlet with shortie nighties, kittens, boxes
of chocolates, flowery sheets." Yate's "Mr. Fantastic" eventually
suggested she find gainful employment, which she did, in the late 70's,
as a pop-gossip columnist for _Record Mirror_, where she wrote about
such quintessential period figures as Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet."
Then it goes on to talk about how wonderful she was as a gossip
columnist and later on as host of The Tube. It says that she produced
_Rock Stars in their Underpants_ in 1980.
Kewl
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Kewl Kat
>
> the same two best friends who allowed her to take drugs
I'm not even sure how close these two friends actually were. One claims
to have met her at a park where their kids used to play - this was after
she broke up with Geldof and was living with Hutchence, so, although
this friend claimed that Geldof was controlling her life, she had never
met him, the other friend claimed to have been friends with Yates since
1979, but curiously enough, VF has published the wedding picture of
Yates and Geldof and there are no women in the wedding party, so I
wonder just how close she really was. She's also wearing the tackiest
red Wedding dress. **ACK**
Kewl
.. Amy ..
> greatest mother in the world to her kids
Anyone who names their daughters a) Fifi Trixibelle, b) Peaches
Honeyblossom, c) Pixie, and d) Heavenly Hiraani Tigerlily should be brought
up on charges of child abuse.
--Amy
mslinda
Or maybe it meant he raised her to be self-reliant and make a life for
herself instead of remaining dependent on her parents all her life.
Linda C.
China Kate Sunflower
cannonballs, 3...@my-deja.com's motto is:
>I don't think Bob getting custody of Tiger Lily was a good idea
>either. It must mean something if his 17-year-old daughter, Fifi, had
>already moved out of his house and was living on her own by the time
>Paula passed away. I could imagine he'd be very controlling and
>domineering.
I moved out of my house at 17 and my parents are perfectly fine. They raised me
to be independent. What of it?
K.
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Actually, I'm more intrigued by the 23 percent who are apparently doing quite
well for themselves." --Jerry Garcia
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BookGenii
>Anyone who names their daughters a) Fifi Trixibelle, b) Peaches
>Honeyblossom, c) Pixie, and d) Heavenly Hiraani Tigerlily should be brought
>up on charges of child abuse.
>
>--Amy
>
>
>
>
>
>
Geldof could be held accountable as well, at least for the first three
children's names. I gather he at least consented to them. Still, I can just
imagine what the employees at the birth registry had to say about them.
Yates was never what could be called a reality based person. I think she could
be more accurately viewed as a mentally unstable woman, made even more so by
her drug and alcohol abuse, and in a co-dependent, enabling relationship with
Hutchence. I think she could have easily been characterized as a borderline
personality or perhaps as having a dependent personality disorder.
The friend probably had to remind Yates of her daughter's birthday because of
her then-current state of mind - depressed people are somewhat obsessive with
their own concerns and emotions and not necessarily aware of timelines or the
needs of others.
HollieWould,
thinking that perhaps only poodles should be named Fifi..........
"A house without books is like a room without windows."
Horace Mann
Rhiannon
personality imply?
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Michele317
>already moved out of his house and was living on her own by the time
>Paula passed away.
since when is it unusual for 17 year olds to move out?
mslinda
Don't kids graduate from HS at 16 in England?
Linda C.
Gillian White
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They can leave school at 16, but if they want to go on to University,
they'll be there till they're 18 or 19. Similar to the way that you can
leave High School in the states before the end of senior year, but you need
to stay till senior year to get your graduation diploma.
Gillian
> Linda C.
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Kewl Kat
Rhiannon wrote:
>
> I've heard this term before but what does co-dependent or addictive
> personality imply?
It's complicated, but I'll try to sum it up in a nutshell. Someone who
is co-dependent on another person is looking for self-worth by how much
the other person needs them, or appears to need them.
For example, a spouse or SO of a drug abuser/alcoholic, is always
picking up the pieces of the mess that their partner does while
drinking, like apologizing to family members, covering up for him at
work, and taking all the abuse from him/her, because "they need me". A
co-dependent feels that since someone "needs them" that makes them a
worthy human being. They have very little self-esteem. Sometimes they
are referred to as "enablers" because the abuser never has to come to
terms with their behaviour, as the co-dependent one takes the
responsibility onto his/her own shoulders, thereby "enabling" the abuser
to continue drinking, taking drugs without the full consequences.
It is not always a drug abuser/alcoholic that causes co-dependency, I'm
sure you've known many girls (and guys) that cannot stand to be without
a boyfriend for five minutes. They stick around in relationships way
past their due date, because "It's better than being alone".
Kewl
Rhiannon
Jamie
> Gillian White wrote:
> >
> > There was program shown about her life and death here in the UK a while ago.
> > It did seem to come to the conclusion that Hutchence had led her into drink
> > and drugs, and that she may even regretted divorcing Geldof - apparently she
> > had had a huge crush on MH for years before she met him, and her life with
> > MH after their marriage was not what she had hoped for.
> >
> > It also appeared that Geldof was still very much in love with her at the
> > time of the divorce, and was genuinely very upset at her death. They didn't
> > paint a very complimentary picture of Yates, but one thing that everyone
> > seemed to agree on was that she was a devoted mother.
>
> The VF seemed to skew Geldof's reaction at the divorce as part of his
> "controlling behaviour", rather than someone upset that she left him for
> some drug-addled pop star that she had a crush on. They seemed to feel
> that because he didn't renew her contract on "The Big Breakfast" it
> triggered her downward spiral.
>
> Also, VF claims that no one will comment on Geldof's "controlling
> behaviour" because he has such powerful friend in the music biz (Bono,
> David Bowie) and if you speak out against him, you'll be ostracized.
I agree with every thing you've been saying about the article. It really went
overboard to demonize Geldof. According to the author, Geldof's two biggest sins
were apparently a) what you said above, being upset after the divorce and actually
*raising his voice* occasionally, and b) battling for custody for his kids.
However, the author glosses over the fact that at the time Geldof was seeking
custody, both Yates and Hutchence were unashamed addicts, hooked on every
prescription and illegal drug under the sun. And despite that, and despite winning
custody, Geldof still voluntarily shared custody with Yates for many weekends and
half the holidays. He also let Yates and Hutchence move into his marital home
after the divorce, and he went and visited Yates after Hutchence's death to urge
her to write another book, because she had the talent, etc.
Yeah, sounds like a right bastard, doesn't he?
I was also amused at the author's potshots at Geldof's talent, saying stuff like
"whatever talent he had," etc. Meanwhile, Yates' is portrayed as basically the
greatest sex kitten since Marilyn Monroe, an interviewer on par with Barbara
Walters, and the greatest thinker since Einstein.
I was amazed by the portrayal of their childhoods. Several paragraphs are spent on
how "gothic" Yates' uprbing was; apparently "gothic," in this case, means that her
well-off parents got divorced, and as a teenager she had to live with her mother
in Majorca, spending her days on the beach.
Meanwhile, the author says that Geldof's childhood in Dublin was "almost as
gothic:" his mother died when he was a kid, and his father beat him regularly. And
that's *almost* as bad as her childhood?
Nothing nice about Geldof is mentioned without there also being a dig against him.
For example, Geldof organized her funeral, but apparently that wasn't enough
because Hutchence was mentioned during the ceremony. Yet to me, if the claims are
true, he's basically the most understand ex-husband in the world. Here's a guy
who, despite his wife leaving him publically, he let his wife and her new
boyfriend use his house. He shared custody of the kids with her voluntarily,
despite her being a drug addict. When she was at her lowest point, he encouraged
her to pick herself up off her feet. When she died, he organized her funeral and
took in her youngest daughter, even thought it's not his kid.
Yet the article didn't do Yates any favors. I couldn't believe the way it made
excuses for her drug addictions. Every time it was mentioned, excuses were made
for it. I especially liked it when the author claimed that Yates was not up to the
media scrutiny because she was so addicted to Valium and sleeping pills at the
time. And who's fault is that?
--
~Jamie
Jamie
> And their proof of Geldof's controlling behaviour? One of them had to
> handle Paula's finances and she had to get "really close" to Geldof to
> do so. Once he yelled on her over the phone, she says, but then he
> called back a half hour later to apologize...
You forget that he's also a big meanie because, when he and Paula were
married, she put a photo of Hutchence up on their refrigerator as her "rock
star crush" and he wrote a nasty word on it.
--
~Jamie
Billie
to the editor...although it's got to be one of thousands they'll receive about
the strange article.
Billie
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