Ahem . . .
The surface record:
The balloon record:
The satellite record:
The sea ice record:
The glacier retreat record:
The bore hole record:
(If you need more evidence and will actually read it, just ask.)
We've got less evidence to support theories of gravity
than we do for global warming, but that doesn't mean
you should jump from a high place without a bungee cord.
The Earth is warming.
There is just no evidence that human endeavor has shit all to do with it.
It's just another scam
"Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message
Provide evidence that it's a scam.
> Jim E
Provide evidence that it is human caused.
I made no assertion in this thread. You did. Back it up.
Nothing negotiable, so no loss.
Yep goosesteppers always lose.
A vote for republican is a vote for fascism!
Perhaps you had better read the original Roger. It is a lie to child to make
her feel good. Here, read it again and substitute global warming for Santa
Claus and you'll see no one could possibly believe that there is no GW.
But perhaps you should start here:
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")
Sure there is evidence. All you have to do is ask scientists. Limbaugh
will not tell you the truth, because he is politically motivated.
Monsignor Tartarus Sanctus
>Jim E wrote:
>> "Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message
>>>"There is <NO> evidence that the earth is warming."
>>> -- a bible thumping loon using the name "Martin"
>> The Earth is warming.
>> There is just no evidence that human endeavor has shit all to do with it.
>> It's just another scam
>Sure there is evidence. All you have to do is ask scientists. Limbaugh
>will not tell you the truth, because he is politically motivated.
Dont bother with Jim E. He's an hard core brain dead goosestepper who
hate "liberals" and trust Limbaugh as his only source of news.
One thing I've noticed is that people who are skeptical, which is of
course a good thing, tend to fail however, in their understanding of what is
at stake if they are wrong, if global warming is indeed occurring and
especially if it's origin has to do with human behaviors as hypothesized by
many scientists. The risks of being wrong and failing to do anything about
it may be extreme. Such possible risks go so far beyond anything within the
normal scope of human experiences that people simply cannot comprehend it.
It may seem trite, but understanding that the earth is indeed as a
spaceship, a life support system with finite energy and resources, including
the sun of course, but still part of a closed system, is a rational and
simple step toward appreciating what's involved and why flippant and/or
uninformed dismissal of global warming hypotheses could be a very dangerous
thing. Another aspect of the global warming debate involves an understanding
the effects of human behavior over a long period of time, learning to
appreciate or to even -care- as to what the consequences will be for our
children, their children and down the line. Such forward thinking is
unfortunately not a natural characteristic, but much like logic and the
capacity for acute reason, is only relatively common among the mature and
Why would anyone rational attempt to divide myriad and relatively complex
issues regarding public policy into only -two- simplified categories?
Every issue should be approached logically and according to the broadest
scope and most accurate information available.
Political systems used to arrive at decisions regarding public policy are
fundamentally and deeply flawed.
"Whether or not it needed to happen, I'm still convinced it needed to
(George W. Bush defending his decision to invade Iraq on NBC)
"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
(Bill Clinton testifying before a Grand Jury)
I'm assuming you can read, which I'm not sure is a safe assumption.
> Jim E
"Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message
> We've got less evidence to support theories of gravity
> than we do for global warming, but that doesn't mean
> you should jump from a high place without a bungee cord.
Liar. There is nothing but evidence for global cooling. The best record
we have si the satellite record and it shows the globe to be cooling.
It's a simple fact that the vast majority of the worlds scientists claim
that global warming is a myth.
God has given us this earth for us to use as a source of resources for our
assendence. God has not made a mistake and provided an earth that is too
small for that purpose.
Further, economists like Julian Simon have proven conclusively that the
worlds resources are actually infinite and therefore will last for an
It is evidence of the true genius of God that natural resources are
infinite on a planet that is finite in volume.
No matter how Liberal cowards continue to whine about imminent warming
(some day), and destruction (today), we see nothing of the kind. In every
way the economy continues to grow, and Americans prosper and the environment
Liberalism is nothing more than pure treason against America, and pure
treason against God.
Those guilty of treason are worthy only of death.
"We must create a <economic> crisis in order to ensure that there is no
alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus Magazine 1995.
"We seek to remove resources from the control of the state, thereby starving
it." - International Society for Individual Liberty - NeoCon Libertarian.
"Throughout his term, Bush has implied tax cuts would starve the government,
paying for themselves by causing budget deficits that, in turn, would place
heavy pressure on Congress to lower spending." - Jeff Lemieux - Senior
Economist - Progressive Policy Institute.
"They have an agenda which is to starve the government of revenue. But in
order to get it through, they keep on having to pretend that the tax cuts
are affordable, and so they've been suppressing the likely cost of
everything, including the war on terror." - Paul Krugman - Economist.
What Simon's argument mostly consists of is saying that human ingenuity
and human technological creativity are almost infinite. And that while
population growth and economic growth will no doubt create huge
problems in the future, history indicates that humans will respond
creatively to the problems and solve them -- making everything better
than before (presumably).
This is a stupid enough argument in itself, I believe. But it isn't
quite as stupid as maintaining that the earth's resources are infinite
and that they will last for "eternity."
By the way, Martin, you posted in another group a lot of supposedly
religious arguments justifying torture. Are you genuinely religious,
genuinely some kind of follower of the Religious Right?
I doubt it; I think you're writing parodies of their arguments. But if
you are, you must be aware that Christian, Muslim and Jewish
fundamentalism all predict the destruction of the world as we know it
on some upcoming Day of Judgment.
By definition, then, it is hard to imagine conservative Christians,
Jews or Muslims predicting that natural resources will last for
If the entire world order is supposed to be destroyed before God's
reign is ultimately established, presumably the natural resources will
disappear on the Day of Judgment, too - at least in their current form.
The Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible in fact predicts that
there will be a "new heaven and a new earth" created at the end of
time, and that those who are saved will then inhabit that new heaven &
earth (as citizens of the New Jerusalem) for eternity.
That's quite different from predicting that the earth's current
reserves of oil, coal, uranium and iron ore will last forever.
Another fiction that is being foisted on the American public for the purpose
of destroying America, Capitalism and Christianity.
All of which survive on the vast pool of public money that is stolen from
the American public.
Global warming is a gravy train for these people. The Ultimate welfare
program for Anti-American Anti-God scientists.
We don't need to protect the environment. The second coming is at hand.
"Jim E" <YD64...@SEA.net> wrote in message
> Provide evidence that it is human caused.
He won't of course. It's impossible. There is no warming, hence it can't
be caused by man.
Environmentalism = Satanism = Communism.
Name one exxon scientist who believes it's not a scam?
Provide one Biblical reference that it is?