What causes Canes? Nature or Man? Nature. Nature boy. Nature.
raylopez99
analogous argument that nature, not man, is causing the increase in
hurricanes in the Atlantic, which, as Weistein pointed out, actually
was a a maximum in the late 19th century as well (well before GW).
Question for the group: if nature can cause hurricanes, is it possible
that ENSO (nature) is also causing the increase in temperatures since
1980 that are the basis for the present GW hysteria?
Answer: yes, yes it can.
Conclusion: Wait and see is a useful precaution when dealing with GW,
akin to the Precautionary Principle that AGWer cultists preach, before
the US and the rest of the non-Kyoto countries embark on an experiment
that may cripple America's 10 TRILLION dollar economy. All for the
sake of appeasing a bunch of Greens. That's sick folks. Sick.
RL
About.com
What Causes Hurricanes?
>From Larry West,
Warm Air and Warm Water Combine to Create Destructive Storms
The two essential ingredients in every hurricane are warm water and
moist warm air. That's why hurricanes begin in the tropics.
Most Atlantic hurricanes start to take shape when thunderstorms along
the west coast of Africa drift out over warm ocean waters that are at
least 80 degrees Fahrenheit (27 degrees Celsius), where they encounter
converging winds from around the equator.
Warm Air, Warm Water Make Conditions Right for Hurricanes
Hurricanes start when warm, moist air from the ocean surface begins to
rise rapidly, where it encounters cooler air that causes the warm water
vapor to condense and to form storm clouds and drops of rain. The
condensation also releases latent heat, which warms the cool air above,
causing it to rise and make way for more warm humid air from the ocean
below.
As this cycle continues, more warm moist air is drawn into the
developing storm and more heat is transferred from the surface of the
ocean to the atmosphere. This continuing heat exchange creates a wind
pattern that spirals around a relatively calm center, or eye, like
water swirling down a drain.
Converging Winds Create Hurricanes
Converging winds near the surface of the water collide, pushing more
water vapor upward, increasing the circulation of warm air, and
accelerating the speed of the wind. At the same time, strong winds
blowing steadily at higher altitudes pull the rising warm air away from
the storm's center and send it swirling into the hurricane's
classic cyclone pattern.
High-pressure air at high altitudes, usually above 30,000 feet (9,000
meters), also pull heat away from the storm's center and cool the
rising air. As high-pressure air is drawn into the low-pressure center
of the storm, the speed of the wind continues to increase.
As the storm builds from thunderstorm to hurricane, it passes through
three distinct stages based on wind speed:
* Tropical depression-wind speeds of less than 38 miles per hour
(61.15 kilometers per hour)
* Tropical storm-wind speeds of 39 mph to 73 mph (54.7 kph to
117.5 kph)
* Hurricane-wind speeds greater than 74 mph (119 kph)
Scientists Debate Cause of Temperature Changes that Create Hurricanes
While scientists agree on the mechanics of hurricane formation, and
they agree that hurricanes are becoming more frequent and severe,
that's where consensus ends.
Some scientists believe that human activity already has contributed
significantly to global warming, which is increasing air and water
temperatures worldwide and making it easier for hurricanes to form and
gain destructive force.
Other scientists believe that the increase in severe hurricanes over
the past decade is due to natural salinity and temperature changes deep
in the Atlantic-part of a natural environmental cycle that shifts
back and forth every 40-60 years.
Frequency and Severity of Hurricanes Likely to Increase
While the scientific community debates the root cause of the
temperature changes that are contributing to the current increase in
destructive hurricanes, three things are apparent:
* Air and water temperatures are rising worldwide.
* Human activities such as deforestation and greenhouse gas
emissions from a wide range of industrial and agricultural processes
are contributing to those temperature changes at a greater rate today
than in the past.
* Failure to take action now to lower atmospheric levels of
greenhouse gases is likely to lead to more frequent and severe
hurricanes in the future.
Learn more about the greenhouse effect and what you can do personally
to help reduce global warming.
jacob navia
>
> Question for the group: if nature can cause hurricanes, is it possible
> that ENSO (nature) is also causing the increase in temperatures since
> 1980 that are the basis for the present GW hysteria?
>
> Answer: yes, yes it can.
>
> Conclusion: Wait and see is a useful precaution when dealing with GW,
> akin to the Precautionary Principle that AGWer cultists preach, before
> the US and the rest of the non-Kyoto countries embark on an experiment
> that may cripple America's 10 TRILLION dollar economy. All for the
> sake of appeasing a bunch of Greens. That's sick folks. Sick.
>
> RL
>
OK Lopez, GW is just hysteria.
But then, why do you cite an article that (after describing what
an hurrican is) ends with this sentences?
> About.com
[snip]
> * Failure to take action now to lower atmospheric levels of
> greenhouse gases is likely to lead to more frequent and severe
> hurricanes in the future.
>
> Learn more about the greenhouse effect and what you can do personally
> to help reduce global warming.
>
I just do not understand. You say that GW is hysteria and
then... cite an article that supports the GW thesis :-)
:-)
jacob
Roger Coppock
> I just do not understand. You say that GW is hysteria and
> then... cite an article that supports the GW thesis :-)
Being a fossil fool means never having to say that you are sorry.
Or to admit you are lying, because everyone expects you to lie.
Fossil fools on the board have no consistency from post to post.
They don't need to be consistent, their mission, like their fathers,
the tobacco lobbyists, is to create doubt. Inconsistency adds to doubt.
MrX
"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158352584....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I have posited that ENSO events cause GW. Not man. Below is an
> analogous argument that nature, not man, is causing the increase in
> hurricanes in the Atlantic, which, as Weistein pointed out, actually
> was a a maximum in the late 19th century as well (well before GW).
>
> Question for the group: if nature can cause hurricanes, is it possible
> that ENSO (nature) is also causing the increase in temperatures since
> 1980 that are the basis for the present GW hysteria?
>
> Answer: yes, yes it can.
>
> Conclusion: Wait and see is a useful precaution when dealing with GW,
> akin to the Precautionary Principle that AGWer cultists preach, before
> the US and the rest of the non-Kyoto countries embark on an experiment
> that may cripple America's 10 TRILLION dollar economy. All for the
> sake of appeasing a bunch of Greens. That's sick folks. Sick.
>
> RL
>
conclusion
that its a cult thing? Your arguement for a cult thing is very weak,
considering the data
coming in more and more these days. But if you must sit there and take up
the counterpoint for the sake
of a counterpoint feel free, to me...it would be better that possible
solutions for humanity be explored, if you
wish that Nobel prize...but then..you already know the logistics right
Ray.... Kyoto matters little....if we are
past that line...the real reason Kyoto will fail is simple,no one is going
to give up a damn thing are they.....as for
economy...pffft...paper all on paper Ray....and here is an interesting
point, do you really think you are in on
the real bottom line, and that what you see published is the bottom line?
Governments in truth have a way of keeping
people in the dark, always have....its called a need to know...but as you
said....sit and wait...and see....pretty much
the attitude of the U.S gov in 1940...until the Japanese turned around and
bit em on the ass....
raylopez99
> > Conclusion: Wait and see is a useful precaution when dealing with GW,
> > akin to the Precautionary Principle that AGWer cultists preach, before
> > the US and the rest of the non-Kyoto countries embark on an experiment
> > that may cripple America's 10 TRILLION dollar economy. All for the
> > sake of appeasing a bunch of Greens. That's sick folks. Sick.
> >
> > RL
> >
> You post an article..that says we are contributing..to GW and post your
> conclusion
> that its a cult thing? Your arguement for a cult thing is very weak,
> considering the data
> coming in more and more these days.
The article made two points: that the increased number of hurricanes,
say some scientists, are made by natural cycles. The second point is
man made them, and this due to GW. You seized, like a bull terrier,
the second point, but your pinhead does not get the first point. Got
it, prick?
> But if you must sit there and take up
> the counterpoint for the sake
> of a counterpoint feel free, to me...it would be better that possible
> solutions for humanity be explored, if you
> wish that Nobel prize..
I do have a solution, and it has been adopted in the USA to date: DO
NOTHING UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. Got it, prick?
>.but then..you already know the logistics right
> Ray.... Kyoto matters little....if we are
> past that line...the real reason Kyoto will fail is simple,no one is going
> to give up a damn thing are they.....as for
> economy...pffft...paper all on paper Ray....and here is an interesting
> point, do you really think you are in on
> the real bottom line, and that what you see published is the bottom line?
Conspiracy theory. Yet strange, if you don't believe what's published,
you do seem to believe what certain "earth scientists" (oxymoron)
publish about GW--when these same ES, like James Hansen, have ADMITTED
that they have in the past distorted the truth in order to get
favorable publicity about GW (Google this and you'll see I'm right).
Got it, prick?
> Governments in truth have a way of keeping
> people in the dark, always have....its called a need to know...but as you
> said....sit and wait...and see....pretty much
> the attitude of the U.S gov in 1940...until the Japanese turned around and
> bit em on the ass....
You seem to despair that the US won WWII. Not even most Japanese
despair that (except the right-wing fanatics), save perhaps the
dropping of the two nukes. Get over it.
Got it, prick?
RL
Roedy Green
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>The article made two points: that the increased number of hurricanes,
>say some scientists, are made by natural cycles.
but that is a straw man argument. GW predicts stronger hurricanes not
more of them.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
See links to the Lebanon photos that Google censored at
http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html
Rumsfeld's Record-Breaking Afghan Opium Crop!!!
news:7bjng2tj9jscbj5lg...@4ax.com:
> On 16 Sep 2006 01:51:22 -0700, "raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>>The article made two points: that the increased number of hurricanes,
>>say some scientists, are made by natural cycles.
>
> but that is a straw man argument. GW predicts stronger hurricanes not
> more of them.
HISTORY shows an ever-increasing number of them since record-keeping
became organized.
http://ecosyn.us/1/1/stormy.html
Increasing Frequency, Increasing Intensity of dangerous storms in recent
times.
This chart appears to show randomized weather occurances and randomized
storm intensity. On closer examination it shows undeniable patterns of
increasing frequency and increasing intensities of storms in recent times.
The following thirteen illustrations will segregate information to show
that the trends are not random, not benign, and definately increasing
towards worse.
---------
Location of Source Data:
http://tinyurl.com/7q4xp 1851-2002
Wikipedia 2003-2005
The Bottom Line:
PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE 1996-2005 to averages 1851-1995
144% MORE Tropical Storms, 1996-2005
47% MORE Hurricanes Category 1, 1996-2005
14% LESS Hurricanes Category 2, 1996-2005
52% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3, 1996-2005
90% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4, 1996-2005
257% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5, 1996-2005
(Upto 2005 Hurricane Wilma C5)
Figures recomputed and published Oct-19-2005 (includes up to Hurricane Wilma C5 2005)
By adding in the latest years storms the entire record average is raised, even though the same number of
storms occurred in yesteryears. Then by comparing the latest decade to a higher total average, it reduces
the apparent increase in this decades activity. A fair comparison would be the record from 1851-1995 to
1996-2005 to get the true picture of how much more severe the weather has gotten this past decade.
==========================================
Breakdown by category per annum 1851-2005:
For brevity sake, abbreviations are used:
TS = Tropical Storm
C1 = Hurricane Category 1, C2 = Hurricane Category 2
C3, C4, C5 = Major Hurricanes Category 3, 4 & 5 respectively.
TS 23 years with 1 31 years with 2 24 years with 3 24 years with 4
16 years with 5 9 years with 6 7 years with 7 5 years with 8
3 years with 9 1 year with 11
C1 43 years with 1 38 years with 2 25 years with 3 12 years with 4
10 years with 5 2 years with 6
C2 50 years with 1 36 years with 2 13 years with 3 9 years with 4
2 years with 5
C3 51 years with 1 27 years with 2 12 years with 3 4 years with 4
1 years with 5 1 year with 6
C4 45 years with 1 16 years with 2 4 years with 3
1 year with 5
C5 20 Years with 1 2 years with 2 1 year with 3
23 years had 1 Tropical Storm (23 TS)
31 years had 2 Tropical Storms (62 TS)
24 years had 3 Tropical Storms (72 TS)
29 years had 4 Tropical Storms (116 TS)
16 years had 5 Tropical Storms (80 TS)
9 years had 6 Tropical Storms (54 TS)
7 years had 7 Tropical Storms (49 TS)
5 years had 8 Tropical Storms (40 TS)
3 years had 9 Tropical Storms (27 TS)
1 year had 11 Tropical Storms (11 TS)
23+31+24+29+16+9+7+5+3+1= 148 years had 1 or more Tropical Storms.
Total # of TS = 23+62+72+116+80+54+49+40+27+11= 534 Tropical Storms.
% years of record have TS = 1/155 x 148 = 95%
Average # of TS = 474/155 = 3.45 TS per year.
43 years had one Cat 1 (43 C1s)
38 years has two Cat 1s (76 C1s)
25 years had three Cat 1s (75 C1s)
12 years had four Cat 1s (48 C1s)
10 years had five cat 1s (50 C1s)
2 years had six Cat 1s (12 C1s)
43+38+25+12+10+2=130 years had 1 or more cat 1s.
Total # of C1 = 43+76+75+48+50+12 = 304 Hurricanes Category 1
% years of record have C1s = 1/155 x 130 = 84%
Average # of C1s = 304/155 = 1.96 C1s per year.
50 years had 1 Cat 2 (50 C2s)
36 years had 2 Cat 2s (72 C2s)
13 years had 3 Cat 2s (39 C2s)
9 years had 4 Cat 2s (36 C2s)
2 years had 5 cat 2s (10 C2s)
50+36+13+9+2=110 years had 1 or more cat 2s
Total # of C2 = 50+72+39+36+10 = 207 Hurricanes Category 2
% years of record have C2s = 1/155 x 110 = 71%
Average # of C2s = 207/155 = 1.34 C2s per year.
51 years had 1 Cat 3 (51 C3s)
27 years had 2 Cat 3s (54 C3s)
12 years had 3 Cat 3s (36 C3s)
4 years had 4 Cat 3s (16 C3s)
1 year had 5 Cat 3 (5 C3s)
1 year had 6 Cat 3s (6 C3s)
51+27+12+4+1+1= 96 years had 1 or more Cat 3s
Total # of C3 = 51+54+36+16+5+6 = 168 Major Hurricanes Category 3
% years of record have C3s = 1/155 x 96 = 61%
Average # of C3s = 168/155 = 1.08 C3s per year.
45 years had 1 Cat 4 (45 C4s)
16 years had 2 Cat 4s (32 C4s)
4 years had 3 Cat 4s (12 C4s)
1 year had 5 Cat 4s (5 C4s)
45+16+4+1= 66 years had one or more Cat 4s.
Total # of C4 = 45+32+12+5 = 94 Major Hurricanes Category 4
% years of record have C4s = 1/155 x 66 = 43%
Average # of C4s = 94/155 = 0.61 C4s per year.
20 years had one Cat 5 (20 C5s)
2 years had 2 Cat 5s (4 C5s)
1 year had 3 Cat 3s
20+2+1= 23 years had one or more Cat 5s
Total # of C5 = 20+4+3 = 27 Major Hurricanes Category 5
% years of record have C5s = 1/155 x 27 = 15%
Average # of C5s = 27/155 = 0.17 C5s per year.
Total All Storms:
534 TS + 304 C1 + 207 C2 + 168 C3 + 94 C4 + 27 C5 = 1,334 Storms
===========
Total # of TS = 534 Tropical Storms.
Total # of C1 = 304 Hurricanes Category 1
Total # of C2 = 207 Hurricanes Category 2
Total # of C3 = 168 Major Hurricanes Category 3
Total # of C4 = 94 Major Hurricanes Category 4
Total # of C5 = 27 Major Hurricanes Category 5
534 TS + 304 C1 + 207 C2 + 168 C3 + 94 C4 + 27 C5 = 1,334 Storms
Statistical frequency 1851-2005 (155 years):
8.6 storms per year average, 86.6 storms per ten year-sequence.
TS = 3.45 per year, 34.5 per 10-years
C1 = 1.96 per year, 19.6 per 10-years
C2 = 1.34 per year, 13.4 per 10-years
C3 = 1.08 per year, 10.8 per 10-years
C4 = 0.61 per year, 6.1 per 10-years
C5 = 0.17 per year, 1.7 per 10-years
The chances of having 2 Cat 5 storms in one year are 1:50
The chances of having 3 Cat 5 storms in one year are 1:155
1996 : TS=4, C1=3, C2=0, C3=4, C4=2
1997 : TS=5, C1=1, C2=0, C3=1
1998 : TS=4, C1=3, C2=4, C3=1, C4=1, C5=1
1999 : TS=4, C1=0, C2=3, C3=0, C4=5
2000 : TS=7, C1=5, C2=0, C3=1, C4=2
2001 : TS=6, C1=5, C2=0, C3=2, C4=2
2002 : TS=8, C1=1, C2=1, C3=1, C4=1
2003 : TS=9, C1=3, C2=1, C3=2, C4=0, C5=1
2004 : TS=5, C1=1, C2=1, C3=2, C4=3, C5=1
2005 : TS=9, C1=6, C3=1, C4=2, C5=3
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Totals TS= 4+5+4+4+7+6+8+9+5+9= 61 Tropical Storms
Totals C1= 3+1+3+0+5+5+1+3+1+6= 28 Hurricanes Category 1
Totals C2= 0+0+4+3+0+0+1+1+1+2= 12 Hurricanes Category 2
Totals C3= 4+1+1+0+1+2+1+2+2+2= 16 Major Hurricanes Category 3
Totals C4= 2+0+1+5+2+2+1+0+3+3= 19 Major Hurricanes Category 4
Totals C5= 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+1+1+5= 5 Major Hurricanes Category 5
Stats for 1996-2005 ten-year stretch compared to 1851-2005 averages per 10-years.
77% more tropical storms than average.
43% more Hurricanes Category 1 than average.
10% less Hurricanes Category 2 than average.
48% more Major Hurricanes Category 3 than average.
211% more Major Hurricanes Category 4 than average.
194% more Major Hurricanes Category 5 than average.
Statistical frequency 1851-2005 (155 years):
8.6 storms per year average, 86.6 storms per ten year-sequence.
Statistical frequency 1996-2005 (10 years):
13.1 storms per year average, 131 storms per ten year-sequence.
Figures recomputed and published Oct-19-2005 (upto Hurricane Wilma C5, 2005)
By adding in the latest years storms the entire record average is raised, even though the same number of
storms occurred in yesteryears. Then by comparing the latest decade to a higher total average, it reduces
the apparent increase in this decades activity. A fair comparison would be the record from 1851-1995 to
1996-2005 to get the true picture of how much more severe the weather has gotten this past decade.
http://tinyurl.com/bbw92
Archived copy of msg: The Hurricane Record (adapted from HURDAT 1851-2002 with 2003-2005 from
Wikipedia)
Use this URL for reference data these figures were computed from.
http://tinyurl.com/7gpnq
Archived copy of msg: Latest Recomputation of Hurricane Intensification (inclusion of 2005 data upto TS
Wilma)
Correction link for above: http://tinyurl.com/9yvss
COMPARISON 1851-1995 to 1996-2005
For brevity sake, abbreviations are used:
TS = Tropical Storm
C1 = Hurricane Category 1, C2 = Hurricane Category 2
1851-1995 (145 years)
TS : 23=1, 31=2, 24=3, 26=4, 14=5, 8=6, 6=7, 4=8, 1=9, 1=11
23+(31x2=62)+(24x3=72)+(14x5=70)+(8x6=48)+(6x7=42)+(4x8=32)+9+11= 369 Tropical Storms
C1 : 40=1, 38=2, 22=3, 12=4, 8=5, 1=6
40+(38x2=76)+(22x3=66)+(12x4=48)+(8x5=40)+6= 275 Hurricanes Category 1
C2 : 47=1, 36=2, 12=3, 8=4, 2=5
47+(36x2=72)+(12x3=36)+(8x4=32)+(2x5=10)= 197 Hurricanes Category 2
C3 : 46=1, 24=2, 12=3, 3=4, 1=5, 1=6
46+(24x2=48)+(12x3=36)+(3x4=12)+5+6= 153 MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3
C4 : 43=1, 12=2, 3=3
43+(12x2=24)+(3x3=9)= 76 MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4
C5 : 17=1, 2=2
17+(2x2=4)= 21 MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5
1996-2005 (ten years)
TS : 3=4, 2=5, 1=6, 1=7, 1=8, 2=9
(3x4=12)+(2x5=10)+6+7+8+9= 52 Tropical Storms
C1 : 3=1, 3=3, 2=5, 1=6
3+(3x3=9)+(2x5=10)+6= 28 Hurricanes Category 1
C2 : 3=1, 1=3, 1=4
3+3+4= 10 Hurricanes Category 2
C3 : 5=1, 3=2, 1=4
5+(3x2=6)+4= 15 MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3
C4 : 2=1, 4=2, 1=3, 1=5
2+(4x2=8)+3+5= 18 MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4
C5 : 2=1, 1=3
2+3= 5 MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5
1851-1995 (145 years)
369/145 = 2.5 TS per year = 25 per 10-years Tropical Storms
275/145= 1.9 C1 per year = 19 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 1
197/145= 1.4 C2 per year = 14 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 2
153/145= 1.05 C3 per year = 10.5 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3
76/145= 0.52 per year = 5.2 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4
21/145= 0.14 per year = 1.4 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5
1996-2005 (10 years)
61/10= 6.1 per year = 61 per 10-years Tropical Storms
28/10= 2.8 per year = 28 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 1
12/10= 1.2 per year = 12 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 2
16/10= 1.6 per year = 16 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3
19/10= 1.9 per year = 19 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4
5/10= 0.5 per year = 5 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5
PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE 1996-2005 to averages 1851-1995
1/25 x 61 = 144% MORE Tropical Storms, 1996-2005
1/19 x 28 = 47% MORE Hurricanes Category 1, 1996-2005
1/14 x 12 = 14% LESS Hurricanes Category 2, 1996-2005
1/10.5 x 16 = 52% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3, 1996-2005
1/10 x 19 = 90% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4, 1996-2005
1/1.4 x 5 = 257% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5, 1996-2005
Lloyd Parker
So what happens to all the CO2 humans produce? Does it disappear into a void?
Does it lose its ability to absorb IR?
And what causes the ENSO events? Did they begin 150 years ago and increase
ever since?
>Below is an
>analogous argument that nature, not man, is causing the increase in
>hurricanes in the Atlantic, which, as Weistein pointed out, actually
>was a a maximum in the late 19th century as well (well before GW).
>
Again, the published research indicates it's the intensity, not the number, of
storms that's caused by GW.
>Question for the group: if nature can cause hurricanes, is it possible
>that ENSO (nature) is also causing the increase in temperatures since
>1980 that are the basis for the present GW hysteria?
>
Question: If disease can kill people, is it possible all deaths are due to
disease?
Lloyd Parker
Would you get in a time machine, go back to 2003, and give Bush that advice?
>
>>.but then..you already know the logistics right
>> Ray.... Kyoto matters little....if we are
>> past that line...the real reason Kyoto will fail is simple,no one is going
>> to give up a damn thing are they.....as for
>> economy...pffft...paper all on paper Ray....and here is an interesting
>> point, do you really think you are in on
>> the real bottom line, and that what you see published is the bottom line?
>
>Conspiracy theory. Yet strange, if you don't believe what's published,
We do. They're called scientific journals. You, OTOH, only believe what's
posted on right-wing and industry-shill web sites.
>you do seem to believe what certain "earth scientists" (oxymoron)
>publish about GW--when these same ES, like James Hansen, have ADMITTED
>that they have in the past distorted the truth in order to get
>favorable publicity about GW (Google this and you'll see I'm right).
>Got it, prick?
You're lying. We get it.
raylopez99
his meds again.
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <1158352584....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I have posited that ENSO events cause GW. Not man.
>
> So what happens to all the CO2 humans produce? Does it disappear into a void?
> Does it lose its ability to absorb IR?
>
No, it might get absorbed by the oceans.
> And what causes the ENSO events? Did they begin 150 years ago and increase
> ever since?
ENSO events might be random.
>
> >Below is an
> >analogous argument that nature, not man, is causing the increase in
> >hurricanes in the Atlantic, which, as Weistein pointed out, actually
> >was a a maximum in the late 19th century as well (well before GW).
> >
>
> Again, the published research indicates it's the intensity, not the number, of
> storms that's caused by GW.
I read the About.com article differently. Reread it. It seems to
clearly state that frequency is at issue (not just intensity) and that
both frequency and intensity can be natural, not man-made (see the
below blurb, after my sig)
>
> >Question for the group: if nature can cause hurricanes, is it possible
> >that ENSO (nature) is also causing the increase in temperatures since
> >1980 that are the basis for the present GW hysteria?
> >
>
> Question: If disease can kill people, is it possible all deaths are due to
> disease?
So you admit that my thesis has some validity then? That perhaps ENSO
is not just "man-made" but natural as well? We've made progress.
Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. What might be called "FUD" pejoratively is
in fact good common sense under the Precautionary Principle. Before we
turn off the world's locomotive--at right now in Singapore the Men of
Steel and Power are fearing just that, for something as trivial as a
downturn in the US housing market--before we take the step of neutering
a 10 trillion dollar economy, for the sake of proving a theory held by
a certain Roger Coppock, I posit we must have all the ducks in a row
and be 99.999999% (six 9s) certain that the AGW=GW hypothesis is, as
you once pointed out, a theory and not just a hypothesis.
We'll see what the IPCC's next report will say, but as of the last
report, it was not unequivocal.
RL
> >Scientists Debate Cause of Temperature Changes that Create Hurricanes
> >While scientists agree on the mechanics of hurricane formation, and
> >they agree that hurricanes are becoming more frequent and severe,
> >that's where consensus ends.
> >
> >Other scientists believe that the increase in severe hurricanes over
raylopez99
were decreasing? Perhaps you have some fancy answer like
notwithstanding increased CO2 trapped more heat, smog over cities
decreased air temperatures while at the same time allowed the seas to
warm. But that would be too logical. Let's hear your hare-brained
answer.
The real "reason" is chance. No reason. Simple probability. The
Magic-8 ball.
RL
Rumsfeld's Record-Breaking Afghan Opium Crop!!! wrote:
[LESS IS MORE, MO-RON]
Philip Hart
"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1158352584....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I have posited that ENSO events cause GW. Not man. Below is an
> analogous argument that nature, not man, is causing the increase in
> hurricanes in the Atlantic, which, as Weistein pointed out, actually
> was a a maximum in the late 19th century as well (well before GW).
>
> Question for the group: if nature can cause hurricanes, is it possible
> that ENSO (nature) is also causing the increase in temperatures since
> 1980 that are the basis for the present GW hysteria?
>
> Answer: yes, yes it can.
If it's a question for the group, what the f**k are you doing answering it
you halfwitted pseud.
Philip Hart
> I do have a solution, and it has been adopted in the USA to date: DO
> NOTHING UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
Way to go, Ray. Remember the Alamo...but forget Pearl Harbour.
Philip Hart
battle...again. Let's all top post on lopash in future, and drive him nuts.1158433955.6...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
MrX
> MrX wrote:
>
> > > Conclusion: Wait and see is a useful precaution when dealing with GW,
> > > akin to the Precautionary Principle that AGWer cultists preach, before
> > > the US and the rest of the non-Kyoto countries embark on an experiment
> > > that may cripple America's 10 TRILLION dollar economy. All for the
> > > sake of appeasing a bunch of Greens. That's sick folks. Sick.
> > >
> > > RL
> > >
> > You post an article..that says we are contributing..to GW and post your
> > conclusion
> > that its a cult thing? Your arguement for a cult thing is very weak,
> > considering the data
> > coming in more and more these days.
>
> The article made two points: that the increased number of hurricanes,
> say some scientists, are made by natural cycles. The second point is
> man made them, and this due to GW. You seized, like a bull terrier,
> the second point, but your pinhead does not get the first point. Got
> it, prick?
>
>
> > But if you must sit there and take up
> > the counterpoint for the sake
> > of a counterpoint feel free, to me...it would be better that possible
> > solutions for humanity be explored, if you
> > wish that Nobel prize..
>
Is that a fact now Mr. Dipshit? You talk big...Ray real big...and more
than likely you still at home
sucking mom's teats, am I close Ray? Your position half the time in here is
pure analism. You talk
like a spoiled brat with delusions of grandeur puppet boy. You think your
endless posts about economy
makes a rat's ass dif? Think again. I don't depair about wwII, was a
simple point as to what happens
when people sit around with their dicks in their hands like you.
. Either way, butthead you are in the same boat as everyone, and your rat's
ass story about being
self made millionaire don't cut it either. You are a simple pompous ass, so
before you go around spewing tons of more rhetoric, like the failed pseudo
scientist you are, relying on of all
damn things...The Economist...a mag..contributed by "anonymous
experts"...yeah...whoppee.... you really
believe you are some high brow socialite, or is that what you wish everyone
in here to believe. Well
Mr. Phd.....I don't bite. so go back to your text books, you are so damn
scared of anything that might
upset your delicate apple cart of a world, especially "cultists'.... how
long you been paranoid Ray? You
think spitting in here is gonna make a dif? Pathetic...you are as the
others describe you a simple troll.
More than likely a bored yuppie buying and selling on Ebay...who yaps a lot
and says nothing.
As for your great counterpoints, and google this and google that, give it a
rest. Have you got
a brain Ray or do you rely entirely on the piles of text sitting around the
net? More analism.
You think whats on the net is gospel? A bunch of writers writing about what
was told to them?
The simple point is this Ray, man has been playing with shit for years, a
lot of factors there. Do
you seriously believe there is no price? And whether it comes in the form
of GW, or BW or a damn
VW...it makes no dif analboy. Use your own brain stop being led by the
nose with your piles of
Stats and "Net stories".... you are the prime example of the conservative,
protectionist, with such
narrow vision, all you accomplish is...stagnation and decay...so afraid of
the future that you actually
live in denial.....
Ray's brilliant solution.....must have really burned some synapses to
accomplish this great thought...
I do have a solution, and it has been adopted in the USA to date: DO
> NOTHING UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. Got it, prick? (psst they don't give Nobel
prizes to do nothings...lol)....sorry Ray..
>
As I said Mr. Do Nothing....never mind that your an insulting little dweeb
like some of the other
little dickwads in here......yes Ray you are so well caste as the pseudo
scientist troll....how badly
did you flunk out of university Ray...and how badly did your parents spank
you....
Did they take away ....your allowance Ray? mmmmmmmm Got it Shitbrain?
Keep talking
Ray you are starting to amuse me....
MrX
"Philip Hart" <auld...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:450c65fe$1$21142$7a62...@news.club-internet.fr...
Its a big mirror.....Philip......lol...it tasks him...it just tasks
him...he is...
the Alpha and...Omega....lol.......
My Question for the group...
Ok....#1 Nature causes hurricanes..... sounds plausible.....LOL...
#2 Nature causes increase in temperatures.....ah...yeah ok volcanos
ok yeah thats the ticket...da sun too ok ya,
inner core buildup...ya....
#3 Nature causes bagels......therefore...the eye of the bagel...is
proportionately equal to the eye of the hurricane...
except when Ray says no......and on alternate Tuesdays due to
gravitational fluxes due to lunar activity...
So.......who is making the....cream cheese?
Roedy Green
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>I have posited that ENSO events cause GW.
If you have any backing for your hypothesis, submit it for publication
in a peer reviewed journal.
Given you don't even sign your work, how can you expect anyone to take
you seriously?
Bawana
MrX wrote:
> lol.......
> .....LOL...
Let me know when anybody but yourself laughs at one of your lamers,
tardboy.
Fat Ugly Bawana is a G.O.P. OILY INC. Troll
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Publisher: University of Chicago Press (December 15, 2004)
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On the Natural History of Destruction
by W.G. Sebald, Anthea Bell (Translator)
Hardcover: 224 pages
Publisher: Random House; 1st Us edition (February 11, 2003)
ISBN: 0375504842
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Destruction of Dresden
by David Irving
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Publisher: Noontide Pr (June 1, 1986)
ISBN: 0317532855
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by Raymond H Willcocks
Unknown Binding: 30 pages
Publisher: U.S. Army War College (1998)
ASIN: B0006QX0QO
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anniversaries of the bombing of Dresden, the liberati ... oncentration camp and the end of World War II
by Roman Herzog
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Publisher: Press and Information Office of the Federal Government (1995)
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Dresden: Paradoxes of Memory in History (Studies in History and Anthropology)
by Elizabeth A. Ten Dyke
Hardcover: 344 pages
Publisher: Routledge (October 1, 2001)
ISBN: 0415270367
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"Apocalypse at Dresden," in the November 1963 issue of Esquire
by Austin J App
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by Richard A Conroy
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To Destroy a City: Strategic Bombing and Its Human Consequences in World War II
by Hermann Knell, Herman Knell
Hardcover: 464 pages
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Mass Hate: The Global Rise of Genocide and Terror (Revised and Updated)
by Neil J. Kressel
Paperback: 312 pages
Publisher: Westview Press; Updated edition (January 1, 2002)
ISBN: 0813339510
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King Leopold's Ghost: A Story of Greed, Terror and Heroism in the Congo
by Adam Hochschild
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Rape Warfare: The Hidden Genocide in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia
by Beverly Allen
Hardcover: 180 pages
Publisher: University of Minnesota Press (February 1, 1996)
ISBN: 0816628181
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Paperback: 448 pages
Publisher: Owl Books (NY) (March 1, 1999)
ISBN: 0805071652
Lloyd Parker
"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Ah, this must be the intelligent Lloyd Parker. I guess Lloyd's taking
>his meds again.
>
>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>> In article <1158352584....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> "raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >I have posited that ENSO events cause GW. Not man.
>>
>> So what happens to all the CO2 humans produce? Does it disappear into a
void?
>> Does it lose its ability to absorb IR?
>>
>
>No, it might get absorbed by the oceans.
So where has the increased 36% in the atmosphere come from?
Your idea seems to be:
1. Human-produced CO2 is all absorbed by the oceans.
2. Something unknown heats up the earth.
3. The increased temp. releases CO2 from the oceans.
Science says:
1. Human-produced CO2 (mostly) stays in the atmosphere.
2. This increased atmospheric CO2 heats the earth.
The scientific explanation requires no unknown source for the heating, nor
does it require the impossible -- that all the human-produced CO2 is being
absorbed.
>
>> And what causes the ENSO events? Did they begin 150 years ago and increase
>> ever since?
>
>ENSO events might be random.
>
>>
If they didn't begin 150 years ago, they cannot be the cause of the current
warming, which began 150 years ago.
raylopez99
>
> Your idea seems to be:
>
> 1. Human-produced CO2 is all absorbed by the oceans.
> 2. Something unknown heats up the earth.
> 3. The increased temp. releases CO2 from the oceans.
>
> Science says:
>
> 1. Human-produced CO2 (mostly) stays in the atmosphere.
> 2. This increased atmospheric CO2 heats the earth.
>
Mostly. You acknowledge that the oceans absorb CO2. Good, it shows
you do read science. I admit your explaination is the consensus--but I
argue my theory needs further research.
> The scientific explanation requires no unknown source for the heating, nor
> does it require the impossible -- that all the human-produced CO2 is being
> absorbed.
>
> >
> >> And what causes the ENSO events? Did they begin 150 years ago and increase
> >> ever since?
> >
> >ENSO events might be random.
> >
> >>
>
> If they didn't begin 150 years ago, they cannot be the cause of the current
> warming, which began 150 years ago.\
AGW began when primitive man practiced slash and burn agriculture. The
current GW scare started in 1980, when temperatures rose after the
Pacific Oscillation died out in the mid 70s. It was actually cooler in
the 50s-70s, when smog blocked out the sun over cities (Urban Heat
Island but in reverse).
> >We'll see what the IPCC's next report will say, but as of the last
> >report, it was not unequivocal.
> >
You ignored the comment about the IPCC report.
RL
Tracy P. Hamilton
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <1158433955.6...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Ah, this must be the intelligent Lloyd Parker. I guess Lloyd's taking
> >his meds again.
> >
> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >> In article <1158352584....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> "raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >I have posited that ENSO events cause GW. Not man.
> >>
> >> So what happens to all the CO2 humans produce? Does it disappear into a
> void?
> >> Does it lose its ability to absorb IR?
> >>
> >
> >No, it might get absorbed by the oceans.
>
> So where has the increased 36% in the atmosphere come from?
Ray Lopez is taking the stupidest possible line - that the accumulation
of CO2 is not from burning fuel, even thought we KNOW that it comes
from combustion!
Ray, please redouble your efforts to spread this criticism far and
wide, to completely discredit AGW-denial.
Tracy P. Hamilton
raylopez99
> > >> So what happens to all the CO2 humans produce? Does it disappear into a
> > void?
> > >> Does it lose its ability to absorb IR?
> > >>
> > >
> > >No, it might get absorbed by the oceans.
> >
> > So where has the increased 36% in the atmosphere come from?
>
> Ray Lopez is taking the stupidest possible line - that the accumulation
> of CO2 is not from burning fuel, even thought we KNOW that it comes
> from combustion!
>
No, I am saying the oceans store lots of CO2, and during ENSO the
atmosphere is heated by the ENSO events, which also release lots of CO2
(outgassing) and possibly this also causes GW. The CO2 in the oceans
could be from 100s if not 1000s of years ago--it does not preclude that
the CO2 is from burning fuel (even wood).
Of course I can't prove this, but if I do I get the Nobel.
RL
Lloyd Parker
"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Tracy P. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> > >> So what happens to all the CO2 humans produce? Does it disappear into
a
>> > void?
>> > >> Does it lose its ability to absorb IR?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >No, it might get absorbed by the oceans.
>> >
>> > So where has the increased 36% in the atmosphere come from?
>>
>> Ray Lopez is taking the stupidest possible line - that the accumulation
>> of CO2 is not from burning fuel, even thought we KNOW that it comes
>> from combustion!
>>
>
>No, I am saying the oceans store lots of CO2,
Which comes from where?
>and during ENSO the
>atmosphere is heated by the ENSO events,
Only? Then why is it up for 120 years instead of being cyclical?
>which also release lots of CO2
>(outgassing) and possibly this also causes GW.
So where does all the CO2 from fossil fuel burning go?
>The CO2 in the oceans
>could be from 100s if not 1000s of years ago--it does not preclude that
>the CO2 is from burning fuel (even wood).
So you're saying:
1. The CO2 humans produce all dissolves.
2. Some events somehow warm the earth.
3. This releases CO2 from the oceans.
4. This released CO2 warms the earth even more.
Why not just go from step 1 directly to step 4?
Bush Hitler Family Values
news:1158695207.3...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Bush_Eugenics.html
Bush Hitler Family Values
Eugenics of Prescott Bush & George Herbert Walker
FIRST we must establish the networks of connectedness, that lying
criminals and murderers were connected together as organized crime, and
that they took contol of government to hide their criminal history and to
keep on doing more. The most recent four generations of Bush Family
members have publically advocated for mass murder, forced sterilizations,
elimination of the weak members of the human race. Three of the last four
generations also masterbated in the nude in a coffin surrounded by a large
group of men, in the dark cult using a pirate flag insignia called "Skull
and Bones". There are no "christians" in the Bush family.
http://tinyurl.com/6o2ol
Google.com Results 122 for Dillon Reed "I.G. Farben"
http://tinyurl.com/3okxu
Google.com Results 497 for Dillon Reed "Thyssen".
http://tinyurl.com/5o8go
Google.com Results 752 for Dillon Reed John McCloy.
http://tinyurl.com/66hgw
Google.com Results 1,170 for "I.G. Farben" John McCloy.
http://tinyurl.com/5w7q7
Google.com Results 1,170 for Prescott Bush John McCloy.
http://tinyurl.com/4ydgb
Google.com Results 864 for Brown Brothers and Harriman John McCloy.
http://tinyurl.com/4f2rt
Google.com Results 405 for Brown Brothers and Harriman John McCloy "I.G.
Farben".
http://tinyurl.com/6pmdb
Google.com Results 174 for John McCloy "I.G. Farben" "Skull and Bones".
http://tinyurl.com/4non3
Google.com Results 260 for "Skull and Bones" "John McCloy".
http://tinyurl.com/57kcy
Google.com Results 1,180 for Prescott Bush "I.G. Farben" "Skull and
Bones".
http://tinyurl.com/5lop2
Google.com Results 722 for Averill Harriman "Skull and Bones"
http://tinyurl.com/5uslp
Google.com Results 144,000 for "Skull and Bones"
http://tinyurl.com/64jzu
Google.com Results 565 for Averill Harriman "I.G. Farben".
http://tinyurl.com/4vcn7
Google.com Results 455 for Averill Harriman "E.H. Harriman"
http://tinyurl.com/5gkgk
Google.com Results 7,900 for "E.H. Harriman".
http://tinyurl.com/5amua
Google.com Results 590 for "E.H. Harriman" "I.G. Farben"
http://tinyurl.com/6wdag
Google.com Results 1,170 for "E.H. Harriman" Bunny OR Roland OR E.R.
Harriman.
http://tinyurl.com/6n9dq
Google.com Results 1,370 for "I.G. Farben" Bunny OR Roland OR E.R.
Harriman.
http://tinyurl.com/5uotl
Google.com Results 1,310 for Prescott Bush "I.G. Farben" Bunny OR Roland
OR E.R. Harriman.
http://tinyurl.com/3lowt
Google.com Results 6,750 for Prescott Bush "Trading With The Enemy Act".
http://tinyurl.com/4p7jm
Google.com Results 1,050 for Prescott Bush "Trading With The Enemy Act"
"Vesting Order".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
The second set of papers, which are in the National Archives, are
contained in vesting order number 248 which records the seizure of the
company assets. What these files show is that on October 20 1942 the alien
property custodian seized the assets of the UBC, of which Prescott Bush
was a director. Having gone through the books of the bank, further
seizures were made against two affiliates, the Holland-American Trading
Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. By November, the
Silesian-American Company, another of Prescott Bush's ventures, had also
been seized.
http://tinyurl.com/48qw7
Google.com Results 795 for "Silesian-American Company" Auschwitz.
http://tinyurl.com/4rypk
Google.com Results 622 for "Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation"
Auschwitz.
http://tinyurl.com/4mgap
Google.com Results 625 for "Holland-American Trading Corporation"
Auschwitz.
http://tinyurl.com/5tk9e
Google.com Results 745 for "Union Banking Corporation" Auschwitz.
http://www.humanitas-international.org/holocaust/1924tbse.htm
1924 April The Dawes Plan restructures German reparations and stabilizes
the German currency. American banker Charles Dawes arranges a series of
foreign loans totalling $800 million to consolidate gigantic German
chemical and steel combinations into cartels, one of which is I.G. Farben.
"Without the capital supplied by Wall Street" it is said, "there would
have been no I.G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolf
Hitler and World War II." Three Wall Street houses, Dillon, Reed & Co.,
Harris, Forbes & Co., and National City handled three-quarters of the
loans used to create these cartels. (Sutton)
(Note: Professor Carroll Quigley wrote that the Dawes Plan was: "largely a
J.P. Morgan production.") (Quigley)
http://www.attackonamerica.net/riseofthefourthreich.htm
"In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was
preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush
was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son
George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a
naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of
Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted
by Prescott Bush. "Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government
took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The
U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares,
all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland 'Bunny' Harriman,
three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush. 1. 'E. Roland
Harriman--3991 shares' [chairman and director of Union Banking Corp.
(UBC); this is 'Bunny' Harriman, described by Prescott Bush as a place
holder who didn't get much into banking affairs; Prescott managed his
personal investments] 'Cornelis Lievense--4 shares' [president and
director of UBC; New York resident banking functionary for the Nazis]
'Harold D. Pennington--1 share' [treasurer and director of UBC; an office
manager employed by Bush at Brown Brothers Harriman] 'Ray Morris--1 share'
[director of UBC; partner of Bush and the Harrimans] 'Prescott S. Bush--1
share' [director of UBC, which was co-founded and sponsored by his
father-in-law George Walker; senior managing partner for E. Roland
Harriman and Averell Harriman] 'H.J. Kouwenhoven--1 share' [director of
UBC; organized UBC as the emissary of Fritz Thyssen in negotiations with
George Walker and Averell Harriman; managing director of UBC's Netherlands
affiliate under Nazi occupation; industrial executive in Nazi Germany;
director and chief foreign financial executive of the German Steel Trust]
'Johann G. Groeninger--1 share' [director of UBC and of its Netherlands
affiliate; industrial executive in Nazi Germany] "all of which shares are
held for the benefit of ... members of the Thyssen family, [and] is
property of nationals ... of a designated enemy country...."
"By Oct. 26, 1942, U.S. troops were under way for North Africa. On Oct.
28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run
by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and
the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. 2. "U.S. forces landed under
fire near Algiers on Nov. 8, 1942; heavy combat raged throughout November.
Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by
Prescott Bush and his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, were seized
under the Trading with the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942. In this action, the
government announced that it was seizing only the Nazi interests, leaving
the Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business. 3.
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/thefamily/extras_documents.php
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/thefamily/media/thefamily_document002j
.pdf
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/thefamily/extras_documents.php
Prescott S. Bush as Treasurer of Planned Parenthood First National
Fundrasing Drive—1947
Planned Parenthood fundraising letter of January 8, 1947, lists Prescott
S. Bush as treasurer of Margaret Sanger's first national fundraising
drive. At that time, contraception was against the law in Connecticut, and
the state had a large Catholic constituency. In 1950, during Prescott's
first race for the U.S. Senate, the syndicated columnist Drew Pearson
accused Bush of being a member of Planned Parenthood. Bush lost and
accused Pearson of spreading the lie that cost him elected office. This
fund-raising letter proved Pearson right. Planned Parenthood fundraising
letter.
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/thefamily/media/thefamily_document007a
.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/4gd39
Google.com Results 11,100 for "Margaret Sanger" Eugenics
http://www.spectacle.org/997/richmond.html
Margaret Sanger, Sterilization, and the Swastika
http://blackgenocide.org/sanger.html
At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a
speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The
man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of
Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with
other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.
Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One,
Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide
of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi
enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as
"scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger
associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's
human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These
"strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of
antisocial whites of the South."
Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing
those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation
of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were
"irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose
religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers."
She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking
people that the procreation of this group should be stopped."
http://tinyurl.com/53mjs
Google.com Results 230 for "Margaret Sanger" Eugenics Prescott Bush.
http://tinyurl.com/5gese
Google.com Results 171 for "Margaret Sanger" nazis Prescott Bush.
http://tinyurl.com/6s4bs
Google.com Results 10,500 for "Margaret Sanger" Hitler.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/prolife/pp04a.txt
Who Was Margaret Sanger?
Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was an adulteress,
racist and bigot, a supporter of Hitler's Nazi party, and a believer in
eugenics - the purification of a particular race of people by selective
breeding. Her magazines and journals were filled with writings and
articles by well-known eugenicists and members of Hitler's Third Reich.
http://www.lifedynamics.com/DeathCamps/Holocaust6.cfm
http://www.acts1711.com/sanger.htm
"Lothrop Stoddard was on the board of directors (of Margaret Sanger's
Population Association of America) for years.... He had an interview with
Adolf Hitler and was very impressed. His book, The Rising Tide of Color
Against White World Supremacy, was written while he served on Sanger's
board. Havelock Ellis, one of Sanger's extra-marital lovers, reviewed
this..book favorably in The Birth Control Review".
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3255.htm
"…And the Birth Control League was there, which had long trumpeted the
need for eugenical births--fewer births for parents with "inferior"
bloodlines. Prescott [Bush’s] partner [Lawrence]Tighe was a Connecticut
director of the league, and the Connecticut league's medical advisor was
eugenics advocate Dr. Winternitz of Yale Medical School.
http://tinyurl.com/6toxz
Results 246 for Lawrence Tighe Prescott Bush.
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Results 958 for Prescott Bush Eugenics.
http://tinyurl.com/6by5m
Results 248 for "Third International Congress of Eugenics".
http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/20th.htm
-1932 Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker, held in dedication for these
two grandfathers of the recent president George H.W. Bush, the New York's
American Museum of Natural History host of the Third International
Congress of Eugenics. The purpose of the event was to call for the
sterilization of fourteen million Americans.
http://www.american-buddha.com/unauthor.bio.bush.3.htm
The most important American political event in those preparations for
Hitler was the infamous "Third International Congress on Eugenics,'' held
at New York's American Museum of Natural History August 21-23, 1932,
supervised by the International Federation of Eugenics Societies. fn9 This
meeting took up the stubborn persistence of African-Americans and other
allegedly "inferior'' and "socially inadequate'' groups in reproducing,
expanding their numbers, and amalgamating with others. It was recommended
that these "dangers'' to the "better'' ethnic groups and to the
"well-born,'' could be dealt with by sterilization or "cutting off the bad
stock'' of the "unfit. ''
http://tinyurl.com/4gvwq
Results 84 for "International Federation of Eugenics" George Herbert
Walker.
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/GREED.htm
In 1932, a year before Hitler and Roosevelt came to power, the Harrimans
helped to organise the Third International Congress on Eugenics at the
American Museum of Natural History in New York. . . . These wealthy
American families, like their counterparts in Britain, feel themselves to
be racially superior and they wish to protect their racial purity. This--
along with the pursuit of power, wealth, and influence-- is the reason why
so many intermarriages take place within these families....
The aim of the eugenics movement was, and is, to create a Master Race by
the sterilisation and forced birth control of those races considered
'inferior'.
The International Congress of Eugenics in New York in 1932 tackled the
'problem' (as they saw it) of African-Americans and other 'inferior' stock
reproducing and expanding their numbers. It was decided that the way to
deal with this 'danger' to the higher races (themselves) was through
sterilisation and 'cutting off the bad stock'.
The Congress was dedicated to the work of Averell Harriman's mother and
Averell did his best to support the proceedings. He personally arranged
for the Hamburg-Amerika Shipping Line (controlled by himself, George
Walker and Prescott Bush) to transport Nazis from Germany to New York so
they could take part in the Congress. The best known of them was Dr. Ernst
Rudin, a psychiatrist at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Genealogy and
Demography in Berlin. There he occupied an entire floor with his eugenics
'research', and all of this was made possible by funds provided by ... the
Rockefellers.
Dr. Rudin was unanimously elected president of the International
Federation of Eugenics Societies at the New York Congress, and this was,
in part, a recognition of his work as a founder of the German Society for
Race Hygiene.
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/GREED.htm
We began to hear about euthanasia and population control instead of
eugenics and race purification, but it's all the same thing really. What
the Harrimans, Rockefellers, and people like Prescott Bush were funding
and supporting before and during the war, their successors have continued
to promote under the cover of 'acceptable' language.
For instance, one of the people who worked with the Harrimans and Prescott
Bush in their funding of Hitler was William H. Draper Jr., the man who
helped to fund the Nazi cartels and was then appointed by Roosevelt after
the war to decide what should be done with them.
Draper, a close associate of Averell Harriman, was a major funder of the
International Eugenics Congress before the war and was one of those
responsible for making Dr. Ernst Rudin, the head of the world eugenics
movement. In 1958, Draper was appointed to chair a committee which was
advising President Dwight Eisenhower on the use of military aid to other
countries.
This appointment was made possible by Prescott Bush, who was then a US
Senator for Connecticut. Bush was a regular golf partner of the president
and of National Security Advisor Gordon Gray (a close friend and eugenics
promoter).
http://www.all.org/abac/aes.txt
Rumsey, Mrs. C. C.; Advisory Council 1929
Personal:
Averill Harriman's sister
Averill Harriman's money came from the Union Pacific Railroad which was
originally funded by extinguishing the Indian land titles, a practice
justified by Social Darwinism (19th century eugenics)
Averill Harriman's mother funded the Eugenics Record office.
The wife of Averill Harriman, Pamela Digby Churchill Harriman, has
controlled the purse strings of an important Democratic funding group.
http://www.geocities.com/thomas_rooney2001/Dark.html
It should also be noted that the alliance between Hitler and the
British-Harriman-Bush nexus went beyond mere business interests. Another
area where they worked together extensively was race science--i.e.
eugenics. For example, in 1932, W.A. Harriman arranged the Third
International Eugenics Conference in New York, where Hitler's leading race
scientist, Dr. Ernst Rudin, was unanimously elected president of the
International Federation of Eugenics Societies. After studying the
eugenics laws of California and Virginia, which had resulted in thousands
of forced sterilizations in the United States, Dr. Rudin wrote the Nazi
"Law for the Prevention of Hereditary Diseases in Posterity," which led to
thousands of forced sterilizations and millions of exterminations in Nazi
Germany.
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http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/e/ero.htm
In 1910, the Eugenics Record Office was founded in Cold Spring Harbor, New
York, as a center for the study of human heredity and a repository for
genetic data on human traits. It merged with the Station for Experimental
Evolution in 1920 to become the Department of Genetics at the Carnegie
Institution, and under the direction of Charles B. Davenport and later of
Albert Blakeslee and Milislav Demerec, it became the most important center
for eugenic research in the nation. However with intellectual currents
shifting, the Carnegie Institution stopped funding the office in 1939.
http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/eugenics/
Eugenicists effectively lobbied for social legislation to keep racial and
ethnic groups separate, to restrict immigration from southern and eastern
Europe, and to sterilize people considered "genetically unfit." Elements
of the American eugenics movement were models for the Nazis, whose radical
adaptation of eugenics culminated in the Holocaust.
http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap12.html
Edward Henry Harriman (1848-1909) made his fortune speculating on the
stock market. In 1897, he took over the bankrupt Union Pacific Railroad,
and then went on to build a railroad empire in the West. When he died, his
wife inherited his money. The following year, she provided $500,000 to
found the Eugenics Record Office. The Eugenics Record Office was involved
in the forced sterilization campaigns and the anti-immigration laws.
In 1932, the Third International Eugenics Congress was held in New York,
at the Museum of Natural History. (The First International Eugenics
Congress had been in 1912 in London, and the Second was in New York.) Mrs.
E. H. Harriman was among the sponsors, along with Mrs. H. B. DuPont and
Dr. J. Harvey Kellogg, among others.
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/documentation.php
Human Betterment Foundation Annual Report for 1935 citing a letter from
board member C. M. Goethe to racist eugenicist E. S. Gosney, bragging:
"You will be interested to know that your work has played a powerful part
in shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind
Hitler in this epoch-making program. Everywhere I sensed that their
opinions have been tremendously stimulated by American thought, and
particularly by the work of the Human Betterment Foundation. I want you,
my dear friend, to carry this thought with you for the rest of your life,
that you have really jolted into action a great government of 60 million
people."
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http://aamr.allenpress.com/aamronline/?request=get-document&doi=10.1352%2F0047-
6765(2003)041%3C0057:EASITH%3E2.0.CO%3B2 Landman (1932) noted that
“these combined statutes are functioning satisfactorily,” as evidenced by
the fact that “as many as seven thousand five hundred forty-eight
operations have been performed,” estimated to be half of all
sterilizations performed in the country up to that point (p. 59).
Functioning “satisfactorily” indeed; by January 1, 1928, California had
sterilized 5,820 people with intellectual disabilities. The Human
Betterment Foundation (1937), reporting the number of sterilizations up to
January 1, 1938, indicated that California had performed 12,180
involuntary sterilizations by that date, followed by Virginia (2,916),
Kansas (1,915), Michigan (1,815), Minnesota (1,459), and Oregon (1,218).
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Results 4,990 for Holocaust medical experiments sterilization.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/aumed.html
Medical Experiments at Auschwitz
"The non-surgical method of sterilizing women that I have invented is
now almost perfected . . . As for the questions that you have directed
to me, sir, I can today answer them in the way that I had anticipated:
if the research that I am carrying out continues to yield the sort of
results that it has produced so far (and there is no reason to suppose
that this shall not be the case), then I shall be able to report in the
foreseeable future that one experienced physician, with an
appropriately equipped office and the aid of ten auxiliary personnel,
will be able to carry out in the course of a single day the
sterilization of hundreds, or even 1,000 women."
http://history1900s.about.com/od/nazidoctors/index_a.htm
Nazi Doctors and Nazi Medicine
Though they are supposed to be the healers, Nazi doctors perpetrated some
of the most devastating and horrendous actions during the Third Reich.
Learn about sterilization, euthanasia, and experiments.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/nazidoctors/
Sterilization During the Third Reich
Six months after Hitler became Chancellor of Germany, the first German
compulsory sterilization law was created. Why did the Nazis do this and
who did they sterilize?
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005635
Other gruesome experiments meant to further Nazi racial goals were a
series of sterilization experiments, undertaken primarily at Auschwitz and
Ravensbrueck. There, scientists tested a number of methods in their effort
to develop an efficient and inexpensive procedure for the mass
sterilization of Jews, Roma, and other groups Nazi leaders considered to
be racially or genetically undesirable.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sterilexp.html
Sterilization Experiments
From about March 1941 to about January 1945 sterilization experiments were
conducted at the Auschwitz and Ravensbrueck concentration camps, and other
places. The purpose of these experiments was to develop a method of
sterilization which would be suitable for sterilizing millions of people
with a minimum of time and effort. These experiments were conducted by
means of X-ray, surgery, and various drugs. Thousands of victims were
sterilized and thereby suffered great mental and physical anguish. The
defendants Karl Brandt, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick,
Brack, Pokorny, and Oberheuser are charged with special responsibility for
and participation in these crimes.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sterilization.html
Sterilization of Jewish Workers
According to my impression there are at least 2-3 million men and women
well fit for work among the approx. 10 million European Jews. In
consideration of the exceptional difficulties posed for us by the question
of labor, I am of the opinion that these 2-3 million should in any case be
taken out and kept alive. Of course this can only be done if they are in
the same time rendered incapable of reproduction. I reported to you about
a year ago that persons under my instruction have completed the necessary
experiments for this purpose. I wish to bring up these facts again. The
type of sterilization which is normally carried out on persons with
genetic disease is out of the question in this case, as it takes too much
time and is expensive. Castration by means of X-rays, however, is not only
relatively cheap, but can be carried out on many thousands in a very short
time. I believe that it has become unimportant at the present time whether
those affected will then in the course of a few weeks or months realize by
the effects that they are castrated.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/holocaust/a/sterilization_2.htm
By 1945, the Nazis had sterilized an estimated 300,000 to 450,000 people.
Some of these people soon after their sterilization also were victims of
the euthanasia program. While many others were forced to live with this
feeling of loss of rights and invasion of their persons as well as a
future of knowing that they would never be able to have children.
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ALL ABOARD: Newspapers jumped on sterilization bandwagon
Gordon Gray owned the Journal and the Sentinel at the time, and his
cousin, Alice Shelton Gray, was a founding member of the Human Betterment
League.
http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/fm-max.html
Gordon Gray (1909-1982), owner of WSJS, was publisher of the Winston-Salem
Journal and the Twin City Sentinel. He was at various times during his
career secretary of the Army, president of the University of North
Carolina and national security advisor to President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/hstpaper/physc.htm
July 18, 1951. Gordon Gray (right), former Secretary of the Army and
President of the University of North Carolina, being administered the oath
as the first Director of the new Psychological Strategy Board by Frank K.
Sanderson (left), Administrative Officer of the White House, while
President Harry S. Truman (center) witnesses the event. Photo: U.S. Army.
Source: Truman Library Collection.
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/profile/viewpro.php?pid=76
Profile of Gordon Gray
Brief profile :
Assistant Secretary of the Army, 1947-1949
Secretary of the Army, 1949-1950
Special Assistant to the President, 1950
Director, Psychological Strategy Board, 1951
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/roundtable/SPEciaL.html
The director and architect of the Psychological Strategy Board was Gordon
Gray. Henry Kissinger was Gray's consultant. Kissinger was also the paid
political consultant to Rockefeller family. Gray, Kissinger, and
Rockefeller were members of the Council on Foreign Relations. Gray served
in the administrations of Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and
Ford. Gordon Gray was heir to the R. J. Reynolds tobacco fortune and
President of the University of North Carolina. Gray was a broadcast and
publication media specialist.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/wwcfrsos.html
In providing overall foreign policy guidance, the State Department also
coordinates and supervises US resources in the conduct of propaganda and
political warfare. The US information agency conducts mass communications
and provides policy guidance on the conduct of Psychological Operations
(PSYOPs) in accordance with the basic foreign policy guidance it receives
from the State Department...
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/skullandbones06oct97.shtml
"The Harriman security regime created the Psychological Strategy Board
(PSB) in 1951. The man appointed director of the PSB [was] Gordon Gray....
Gordon's brother, R.J. Reynolds chairman Bowman Gray Jr., was also a naval
intelligence officer, known around Washington as the 'founder of
operational intelligence.' Gordon Gray became a close friend and political
ally of Prescott Bush; and Gray's son became for Prescott's son, George,
his lawyer and the shield of his covert policy." So you have the
Whitney/Stimson/Bundy clan and the Harriman/Bush boys wielding a
tremendous amount of influence on the political, economic and social
affairs of America and the world. Then you have Prescott Bush's buddy
Richard Nixon as an activist vice-president.
http://www.medaloffreedom.com/GordonGray.htm
U.S. Medal of Freedom Recipient Gordon Gray
http://www.whale.to/b/mccloy.html
As High Commissioner of occupied Germany, John McCloy was instrumental in
the early release and commutation of numerous Nazi war criminals. In
October 1950, he commuted the five-year sentence of Baron Ernst von
Weizsacker, who as a Nazi Foreign Office official had been convicted of
complicity in the deportation of some six thousand Jews from France to
Poland. In January of the following year, McCloy announced that five of
the fifteen death sentences from the Nuremburg judgements would be carried
out. He then reduced the sentences of sixty four of the remaining seventy
four war criminals. One third of these were to be released immediately.
He also reduced the sentences of all the remaining convicted doctors who
had experimented on concentration camp inmates. One SS officer who
confessed to having personally executing fifteen hundred Jews was
reprieved because he had later refused to carry out any further
murders---Book Review: A Nation Betrayed: The Chilling True Story of
Secret Cold War Experiments Performed on our Children and Other Innocent
People by Carol Rutz
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To say that John McCloy rubbed shoulders with some of the most influential
people of that decade (1950s) is an understatement.... In fact, Henry
[Kissinger] served as a consultant to the president's Psychological
Strategy Board, which [J. Edgar] Hoover regarded as a Rival Intelligence
Group. C.D. Jackson, the chief of the Psychological Strategy Board,
frequently consulted with McCloy. Kai Bird referred to this as "A new >
rather shadowy executiver agency that was supposed to help coordinate
covert intelligence with sophisticated propaganda programs."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Psychological_Strategy_Board
The Psychological Strategy Board had three directors during Harry S.
Truman's presidency. Gordon Gray was the first director, serving from June
1951 to May 1952.
http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/facts/skul&bones.html
Gordon Gray was the first director of the Psychological Strategy Board,
having been installed by the "Harriman security regime" in the early 50's.
Gray and his four elite Jupiter Island, Florida, neighbors Prescott Bush,
Robert A. Lovett, C. Dillion Read and "Jock" Whitney, are, along the
Dulles and Harriman brothers considered by some historians to be the
"fathers of this permanent covert action monolith". The "secret
government" in the shadowy realms of intelligence operations that cloaks
its actions with cries of national security.
They created this modern wall of deniality for Eisenhower deep within the
government-military-industrial complex-that Ike was later to regret. One
of Gray's jobs, as Ike's National Security advisor, was to "under the
guise of 'oversight' on all US covert action, to protect and hide" the
"cryptocracy."
"Gray's son, C. Bowden was President [H.W.] Bush's very helpful
"soulmate'", "protector of the president, come what may", White House
counsel. He helped to keep George "out of the loop," as George became
embroiled in the evolving Iran-Contra scandal.
http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/Bruce_Walton_The_Underground_Nazi_Invasion_
13.html William H. Draper, Jr. had joined the Bush team in 1927, when he
was hired by Dillon Read & Co., New York investment bankers. Draper was
put into a new job slot at the firm: handling the Thyssen account.
We recall that in 1924, Fritz Thyssen set up his Union Banking Corporation
in George Herbert Walker's bank at 39 Broadway, Manhattan. DILLON READ &
CO.'s boss, Clarence Dillon, had begun working with Fritz Thyssen some
time after Averell Harriman first met with Thyssen -- at about the time
Thyssen began financing Adolf Hitler's political career.
In January 1926, Dillon Read created the "German Credit and Invest- ment
Corporation" in NEWARK, New Jersey and BERLIN, Germany, as Thyssen's
short-term banker. That same year, Dillon Read created the "Vereinigte
Stahlwerke" (German Steel Trust), incorporating the Thyssen family
interests under the direction of New York and London finance. Note #2.
Note #3
William H. Draper, Jr. was made director, vice president, and assistant
treasurer of the German Credit and Investment Corp. His business was
short-term loans and financial management tricks for Thyssen and the
German Steel Trust. Draper's clients sponsored Hitler's terroristic
takeover; his clients led the buildup of the Nazi war industry; his
clients made war against the United States. The Nazis were Draper's direct
partners in BERLIN and NEW JERSEY: Alexander Kreuter, residing in Berlin,
was president; Frederic Brandi, whose father was a top coal executive in
the German Steel Trust, moved to the United States in 1926 and served as
Draper's co- director in NEWARK.
Draper's role was crucial for Dillon Read & Co., for whom Draper was a
partner and eventually vice president. The GERMAN CREDIT AND INVESTMENT
CORP. (GCI) was a "front" for Dillon Read: It had the same New Jersey
address as U.S. & INTERNATIONAL SECURITIES CORP. (USIS), and the same man
served as treasurer of both firms. Note #2. Note #4
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Results "Gordon Gray" Prescott Bush "Jupiter Island".
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Gordon Gray
Father: Bowman Gray, Sr.
Brother: Bowman Gray, Jr. (head of RJ Reynolds Tobacco, b. 1907, d. 1969)
Wife: Jane Boyden Craige (m. 1938, d. 1953)
Son: Burton Gray
Son: C. Boyden Gray
Son: Bernard Gray
Wife: Nancy McGuire Beebe (m. 1956)
http://carolinafirst.unc.edu/distprofs/graybg.htm
Gordon Gray Sr. was born in 1909, also in Baltimore. He was married in
1938 to the former Jane Boyden Craige, and they had four sons: Gordon Jr.,
Burton, C. Boyden (J.D. '68) and Bernard (B.A. '72). After Jane's death,
Gray married the former Nancy Maguire Beebe.
In addition to serving as president of the University system, Gordon Gray
was chairman of the board of Piedmont Publishing Co.; publisher of the
Winston-Salem Journal and Sentinel; chairman of the National Trust for
Historic Preservation; and secretary of the Army. A lawyer, Gray's service
to the federal government began with his appointment as President Truman's
assistant secretary of the war in 1947; two years later, he was appointed
to secretary of the Army. President Dwight D. Eisenhower appointed him his
national security adviser in 1958. He served on the President's Foreign
Intelligence Advisory Board under Presidents John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B.
Johnson, Richard M. Nixon and Gerald R. Ford. The University presented
Gray with an honorary law degree in 1949.
His son C. Boyden also has had a career of public service in Washington,
clerking for Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren and serving as
President George Bush's White House counsel.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/CarolASThompson/RJR.htm
http://tobaccodocuments.org/ctr/11277415-7415.html
First International Conference on Smoking and Health / tobacco document
When Leighton H. Coleman resigned from the board of directors, RJR
President AH Galloway nominated J. Paul Sticht, and Chairman Gordon Gray
seconded it (Minutes of RJR Board Meeting, June 20, 1968.)
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/CarolASThompson/Time.htm
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/736157/0000950117-95-000073.txt
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/CarolASThompson/cummins.htm
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/CarolASThompson/GAI.htm
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/CarolASThompson/Stone.htm
Trusts for the benefit of Gordon Gray Jr., C. Boyden Gray, Burton C. Gray,
Bernard Gray, and Nancy Maguire Gray, heirs of the RJ Reynolds Tobacco
fortune, were brought into play in the merger of AOL and Time Warner.
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Results 23 for "Gordon Gray" Koch Industries.
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ce93885e63b586256d1f00037264/$FILE/sej_fa00.pdf ... By CURTIS MOORE
"Money," said multi-millionaire Gordon Gray, "has a way of talking that
transcends mere words." Gray was President Truman's Secretary ...
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=C._Boyden_Gray
... "C. Boyden Gray is the son of Gordon Gray, a powerful ... Citizens for
a Sound Economy (another neoconservative pressure group) together with
David H. Koch of the ...
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Results 74 for "Gordon Gray" Alice eugenics.
http://principalityofcamside.cc/Government/USA/NESARA/R200209260944am.htm
We shall examine here the alliance of the Bush family with three other
families: Farish, Draper and Gray.
The private associations among these families, have led to the President's
relationship to his closest, most confidential advisers. These alliances
were forged in the earlier Hitler project and its immediate aftermath.
Understanding them will help us to explain [H.W.] George Bush's obsession
with the supposed overpopulation of the world's non-Anglo-Saxons, and the
dangerous means he has adopted to deal with this "problem. ...
... Through British imperial contacts, Boyden Gray's grandfather, Bowman
Gray, had become principal owner of the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co.
Boyden's father, Gordon Gray, had recently founded the Bowman Gray
(memorial) Medical School in Winston-Salem, using his inherited cigarette
stock shares. The medical school was already a eugenics centre.
As the experiment began, Gordon Gray's great aunt, Alice Shelton Gray, who
had raised him from childhood, was living in his household. Aunt Alice had
founded the "Human Betterment League," the North Carolina branch of the
national eugenical sterilization movement. Aunt Alice was the official
supervisor of the 1946-47 experiment. Working under Miss Gray was Dr.
Claude Nash Herndon, whom Gordon Gray had made assistant professor of
"medical genetics" at Bowman Gray Medical School. Dr. Clarence Gamble,
heir to the Proctor and Gamble soap fortune, was the sterilizers' national
field operations chief. The experiment worked as follows. All children
enrolled in the school district of Winston-Salem, N.C., were given a
special "intelligence test." Those children who scored below a certain
arbitrary low mark were then cut open and surgically sterilized. ...
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Results 15,100 for eugenics Rockefeller.
http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap12.html
... John Davison Rockefeller (1839-1937) made his fortune in the oil
industry. He founded Standard Oil, which at one time controlled 95 percent
of the oil refining business in the country. He and his descendants gave
away hundreds of millions of dollars.
The Rockefellers funded the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Germany, when
eugenicists were preparing the way ideologically for what eventually
became the world's most infamous slaughter, the Nazi holocaust. The
Rockefeller Institute supported Alexis Carrel, who advocated the use of
gas to get rid of the unwanted. John D. Rockefeller III founded the
Population Council. Rockefeller money made Alfred Kinsey's sex research
possible. ...
... Sharpless wrote, "The power to accomplish this task was based on their
relationship with the philanthropic community. In addition to the
Rockefeller Foundation and the Population Council, other Foundations
active in this area included the Ford Foundation, the Milbank Memorial
Fund and, to a lesser extent, the Carnegie Corporation, and the
Conservation Foundation."
http://www.eugenics-watch.com/eugbook/euod_ch1.html
Support from the Wealthy
In 1930 John D. Rockefeller and John D. Rockefeller Jr. were members of
the American Eugenics Society. Furthermore, in the Twenties Raymond
Fosdick, an important official of the Rockefeller Foundation, was a member
of the American Eugenics Society Advisory council. In this period the
Rockefeller Foundation gave money to build quarters for Ernst Rudin, the
man who later wrote Hitler's 1933 Sterilisation Law.(6) As co-founder with
Alfred Ploetz of the German Eugenics Society, Rudin claimed credit as the
inspiration for all Hitler's racial laws, including the Nuremberg laws
which made Jews second class citizens in Germany.(7)
In the early part of the century Mrs. E.H. Harriman, who inherited the
fortune based on the Union Pacific railroad, created the Eugenics Record
Office. Her endowment helped fund the work of Harry Laughlin, the director
of the Eugenics Record Office. Laughlin wrote the Model Sterilisation Law
which Nazi eugenicists used as a model for their 1933 Sterilisation Law.
He accepted an award from Heidelberg University honouring him for his part
in developing this law.(8) He was also an important witness at the
Congressional hearings on the Johnson Act, the immigration Act which began
the policy of national immigration quotas.
Such initiatives became a terrible trap for the Jews in the late Thirties.
The Johnson Act ultimately resulted in the exclusion from America of the
Jews attempting to flee Nazi Germany and its racial laws - laws inspired
by Laughlin, Rudin and other eugenicists. The exclusion of the Jews was no
accident. The Johnson Act, the American law, was, like the Nazi laws,
intended to keep a nation Nordic:
"The unique Immigration Quota Acts of 1921-24 .. By their enactment a
first class power wrote into law the concept of the desirability of
racial homogeneity ... The Nordic stream ... had become a trickle ...
Followed these Quota Acts which said to the world: America, still
overwhelmingly Nordic, proposes so to remain! These acts began a
gigantic eugenic experiment in population control."(9)
After this came the genocide.
That which we now call genocide was then called eugenics.(10)
Auschwitz showed the world the true face of eugenics. Yet some among the
wealthy continued to support it.(11)
For example, we find the names Rockefeller and Harriman, supporting the
introduction of abortion and contraception, the means of eugenics. John D.
Rockefeller III gave Margaret Sanger money with which to develop a
contraceptive. Mrs. E.H Harriman's son was Averill Harriman, Governor of
New York in the Fifties. Harriman allowed Robert Moses to follow a policy
of letting Harlem deteriorate. (See Robert Moses and the Fall of New
York., Robert Caro) It was then possible for the next governor, Nelson
Rockefeller, to speak of the dreadful conditions in Harlem and the need
for contraception and abortion as a solution for the problems of the
people trapped there. Hence, in the Sixties, abortion, a eugenic goal,
came to be seen as "progressive" in New York State. In the early
Seventies, Nelson Rockefeller signed one of the first state law allowing
widespread abortion, and the Rockefeller family gave money for the first
legal abortion facility in New York State. In the Eighties, Pamela
Harriman, Governor Harriman's English widow, used his money to fund the
Democratic Leadership PAC, which helped make support for abortion a
requirement for advancement in the Democratic Party.(12) (Ironically, the
Harriman money, which was obtained as a consequence of the extinguishing
of Indian land titles, was dissipated in Pamela Harman's project to
extinguish American rights. This left the surviving Harriman blood
relatives, in 1994, at the age of eighty, owners of a trust fund as empty
as a treaty promise. Litigation is beginning on a legal situation more
tangled than that in Bleak House.(13))
Summary
Eugenics is antidemocratic and funded by some of the richest families in
America.
http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap10.html
John D. Rockefeller's leadership in the Population Council was not the
first Rockefeller foray into eugenics. When Alexis Carrel wrote his book
advocating euthanasia institutions with a suitable gas for exterminating
various people, he was on the staff of the Rockefeller Institute. The
Rockefellers financed the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in the 1920s, and
provided funds for Ernst Rudin for genetic research in the 1920s.
... A feminist author, Germaine Greer, commented on the post-war movement,
saying: "It now seems strange that men who had been conspicuous in the
eugenics movement were able to move quite painlessly into the population
establishment at the highest level, but if we reflect that the paymasters
were the same -- Ford, Mellon, Du Pont, Standard Oil, Rockefeller and
Shell -- are still the same, we can only assume that people like Kingsley
Davis, Frank W. Notestein, C. C. Little, E. A. Ross, the Osborns Frederick
and Fairfield, Philip M. Hauser, Alan Guttmacher and Sheldon Segal were
being rewarded for past services." In other words, the population control
movement was the same as the old eugenics movement -- the same money, the
same leaders, the same activities -- but with a new excuse. ...
http://www.eugenics-watch.com/eugbook/euod_ch2.html
The Pioneer Fund is closely linked with the American Eugenics Society. The
Fund was founded by Harry Laughlin and Frederick Osborn and funded by
W.P. Draper. In the late Forties and early Fifties, Frederick Osborn was
its president and also president of the American Eugenics Society. Within
the same time frame, he began helping John D. Rockefeller III found the
Population Council. Recent society directors and members have had their
work funded by the Pioneer Fund.(13)
http://www.eugenics-watch.com/intro.html
The transformation from open eugenics to population planning is described
well by Germaine Greer: "It now seems strange that men who had been
conspicuous in the eugenics movement were able to move quite painlessly
into the population establishment at the highest level, but if we reflect
that the paymasters were the same -- Ford, Mellon, Du Pont, Standard Oil,
Rockefeller and Shell -- are still the same, we can only assume that
people like Kingsley Davis, Frank W. Notestein, C. C. Little, E. A. Ross,
the Osborns Frederick and Fairfield, Philip M. Hauser, Alan Guttmacher and
Sheldon Segal were being rewarded for past services." *31 That is, the
population control movement was the same money, the same leaders, the same
activities -- with a new excuse.
One of the organisations that promoted eugenics under the new
population rubric was the Population Council. It was founded in
1952 by John D. Rockefeller 3rd, and spent $173,621,654 in its
first 25 years. *32 That is not a bad budget for one of the
organisations in a dead movement! Clearly, the people who think
the eugenics movement died in the rubble in Berlin do not
understand crypto-eugenics, genetics or population control.
http://illuminati-news.com/nazi-california.htm
Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for
extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie
Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune.
They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists
from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard and
Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and
then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.
Stanford President David Starr Jordan originated the notion of "race and
blood" in his 1902 racial epistle "Blood of a Nation," in which the
university scholar declared that human qualities and conditions such as
talent and poverty were passed through the blood.
In 1904, the Carnegie Institution established a laboratory complex at Cold
Spring Harbor on Long Island that stockpiled millions of index cards on
ordinary Americans, as researchers carefully plotted the removal of
families, bloodlines and whole peoples. From Cold Spring Harbor, eugenics
advocates agitated in the legislatures of America, as well as the nation's
social service agencies and associations.
The Harriman railroad fortune paid local charities, such as the New York
Bureau of Industries and Immigration, to seek out Jewish, Italian and
other immigrants in New York and other crowded cities and subject them to
deportation, confinement or forced sterilization.
The Rockefeller Foundation helped found the German eugenics program and
even funded the program that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to
Auschwitz.
Much of the spiritual guidance and political agitation for the American
eugenics movement came from California's quasi-autonomous eugenic
societies, such as Pasadena's Human Betterment Foundation and the
California branch of the American Eugenics Society, which coordinated much
of their activity with the Eugenics Research Society in Long Island. These
organizations -- which functioned as part of a closely-knit network --
published racist eugenic newsletters and pseudoscientific journals, such
as Eugenical News and Eugenics, and propagandized for the Nazis.
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Jacob Schiff was born in Frankfurt, Germany in 1847. After being educated
in Germany, Schiff emigrated to the United States in 1865. In 1875 he
married the daughter of the successful banker, Solomon Loeb. He joined
Kuhn, Loeb and Company and took charge of the company in 1885. Together
with his partners, Otto Kahn and Paul Warburg, he made a great deal of
money from financing railroads. He purchased the Union Pacific Railroad
and attempted to gain control of Northern Pacific. This led to him being
criticised by President Theodore Roosevelt and resulted in the passing of
anti-trust laws. Jacob Schiff died in New York City on 25th September,
1920.
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Results 13,900 for "Kaiser Wilhelm" Lenin.
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Even with the coming of the Soviets in 1917, the Russians had profound
secrets to use against the West. Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was perceived by
many as an agent of the Tsar's cousin, Kaiser Wilhelm II, the German
dictator and monarch. Upon the abdication from the throne of Tsar Nicholas
II, Lenin, the new dictator, arranged a peace arrangement with the
Germans, the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. March 1917. For such purpose,
Lenin, in a sealed train arranged by the Germans, was whisked across
war-torn Europe from Switzerland, to Finland. This was arranged by
dictator Kaiser Wilhelm II. Lenin entered Russia and with the Soviets
seized control of the St. Petersburg government already in a shambles. The
Treaty had a secret codicil, enabling the Soviets, without time limits, to
work blackmail, shake-down, and extortion, in huge liability amounts, to
be used forever after March, 1917, against the West. Lenin agreed to
permit Tsar Nicholas II, his German wife, and their five children to
escape. It was to be disguised, however, as if the Tsar and his family
were assassinated.
http://www.sovokoftheweek.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article
&sid=170 Then finally in 1917, Tsar Nicholas II abdicated the throne and
the Provisional Government took over. That's when Lenin got off the beach
and got to work. Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany was nice enough to give Lenin a
whole bunch of one-way tickets to Russia on a special armored train,
hoping that Lenin would take some of the more obnoxious sovoks with him.
They were taking up all the good tables in Berlin coffeeshops.
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Results 241 for "Kaiser Wilhelm" "Felix Warburg" | "Max Warburg".
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Max Warburg, who aside from being a leading German banker with thousands
of clients and renowned as an intimate of Kaiser Wilhelm II, spent a good
part of his time in caring for the Talmud Torah.
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http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n5p33_Weir.htmlWhat is remarkable is not the
degree of intolerance, but the extent to which Jews were tolerated and
even encouraged in Germany. Jews were permitted to wield tremendous power
and influence even though so many of them -- with the Warburgs at the
forefront -- were part of a mighty, supra-national Jewish network that was
dedicated above all to its own particular interests.
Members of this international Jewish elite cemented its ties through
marriage. For example, Felix Warburg married Frieda Schiff, daughter of
probably the most powerful Jew in America, the German-born Jacob Schiff.
Felix's brother Paul married Nina Loeb, daughter of another prominent
Jewish banker, Solomon Loeb.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/manipulation/
The Rothschilds are allegedly behind the Morgan Empire which derives from
the London based George Peabody and Co which became J.S. Morgan and Co in
1864 on the death of Peabody (a Rothschild agent). Control passed to J.S.
Morgan's son, John Pierpont Morgan, and the company acquired its present
name of J.P. Morgan. The Morgan Empire now includes General Electric and
all its subsidiaries, Morgan Guaranty Trust, National Bank of
Commerce…etc..
The House of Rothschild also has strong connections with the Warburg
banking family which includes Paul and Felix, who were instrumental in the
setting up of the US Federal Reserve System, and their brother Max who ran
the German interests.
Rockefeller Empire
The Rockefeller Empire is based on oil, largely the Standard Oil company
set up by John D. Rockefeller in 1853. (Part of this is now more familiar
as Exxon and Esso.) Its influence on the political arena has been fairly
open and obvious.
J.D. Rockefeller III set up the Population Council in 1952 which, ever
since, has been advocating zero population growth in the US. In 1972 this
sentiment was echoed by Lawrence Rockefeller (CFR, Bil, TC) who was
appointed by Nixon to lead a commission into population growth.
http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0097d.htm
Paul Moritz Warburg also became a banker. He was a partner with M. M.
Warburg and Co., of Hamburg in 1895 and came to the United States in 1902.
Here he joined forces with Kuhn, Loeb and Co. He became a naturalized
citizen in 1911. While still an alien, he set about reorganizing the
banking system of the United States and was one of the bankers who met
secretly with Senator Aldrich at Jekyl Island, Georgia, in 1910, to work
out the details for the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT of 1913.
Felix Warburg came to the U.S. and was naturalized in 1900 and also joined
Kuhn, Loeb and Co.
Paul Warburg became the first Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board,
resigning his $500,000 a year job with Kuhn, Loeb and Co., to accept a job
that paid $12,000. ...
During W W I, Paul Warburg through the parent bank of M. M. Warburg in
Germany, was in the U.S. Treasury Dept. in charge of Liberty Bonds which
financed the war against Germany. In the meantime, his brother Max was
financing Kaiser Wilhelm's war effort against the Allies. ...
Paul resigned from the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve in May of
1918, after investigation revealed that his brother was at the head of
Germany's secret service and after it had been proved that he was
affiliated with the Communist Party.
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Results 185 for "Paul Warburg" "german secret service".
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h07&Entity= No reference is made to the Hoover-Francqui business
associations which were the subject of huge lawsuits in London. The
Francqui visit probably involved Hoover's Moratorium on German War Debts,
which stunned the financial world. On December 15, 1931, Chairman McFadden
informed the House of a dispatch in the Public Ledger of Philadelphia,
October 24, 1931, "GERMAN REVEALS HOOVER'S SECRET. The American President
was in intimate negotiations with the German government regarding a year's
debt holiday as early as December, 1930." McFadden continued,
"Behind the Hoover announcement there were many months of hurried and
furtive preparations both in Germany and in Wall Street offices of
German bankers. Germany, like a sponge, had to be saturated with
American money. Mr. Hoover himself had to be elected, because this
scheme began before he became President. If the German international
bankers of Wall Street -- that is Kuhn Loeb Company, J. & W. Seligman,
Paul Warburg, J. Henry Schroder -- and their satellites had not had
this job waiting to be done, Herbert Hoover would never have been
elected President of the United States.
The election of Mr. Hoover to the Presidency was through the influence
of the Warburg Brothers, directors of the great bank of Kuhn Loeb
Company, who carried the cost of his election. In exchange for this
collaboration Mr. Hoover promised to impose the moratorium of German
debts. Hoover sought to exempt Kreuger's loan to Germany of $125
million from the operation of the Hoover Moratorium. The nature of
Kreuger's swindle was known here in January when he visited his friend,
Mr. Hoover, in the White House."
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Results 159 for "Max Warburg" "german secret service".
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Here we deal with two notorious bankers: the “Warburgs”. The American
Jewish banker Paul M. Warburg, chairman of the US Federal Reserve Bank,
negotiates Germany ’s war debts with his brother, the German Jewish
Banker Max Warburg of Warburg & Co. of Hamburg. Both are partners of Kuhn,
Loeb & Co., which again is an affiliation of the Rothschild cartel.
It is agreed that I.G Farben will form a cartel with Rockefeller National
Oil, that IG Farben be floated on the American market and that the
American investors finance Germany ’s war debts unwittingly. Max of
Warburg and Co, Hamburg , becomes chairman of I.G. Farben of Germany ,
while his brother Paul becomes chairman of I.G. Farben of America . When
in 1929 the Warburgs bring about the crash at Wall Street, the Warburgs
had Germany ’s war debt reduced to nothing.
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Postwar Campaigns
"The Jews were the worst sufferers in the war.[WWI] 'The successive blows
of contending armies have all but broken the back of European Jewry and
have reduced to tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease
about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth."
-From a statement by Felix Warburg, Chairman of the Joint Distribution
Committee, November 1919.[100]
"In Europe there are today more than 5,000,000 Jews who are starving or on
the verge of starvation, and many are in the grip of a virulent typhus
epidemic."[101]
Speaking from Paris on October 26, 1919, Felix Warburg spoke about plans
to switch from emergency or general relief to reconstructive relief in the
activities of the Joint Distribution Committee. Warburg said:[102]
"The 30 million dollars given since the war by America for the relief of
Jewish victims of the war programs has been well spent and served the
purpose of keeping body and soul together for millions of unfortunates who
otherwise would have perished.
Warburg explained, 'The great need of urgent relief-food, clothing, and
shelter, still exists but as Europe settles down the need for money for
that purpose will pass. It is passing even now. We are hoping to get 20
million dollars in an American drive and use perhaps half of this for work
of immediate relief.
'The other half will be used as capital for a bank. What the Jews and
everybody else in Europe need is raw materials to get back to work.
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The New York Times* had noted on May 6, 1914 that Paul Warburg had
"retired" from Kuhn, Loeb Company in order to serve on the Federal Reserve
Board, although he had not resigned his directorships of American Surety
Company, Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, National Railways of Mexico, Wells
Fargo, or Westinghouse Electric Corporation, but would continue to serve
on these boards of directors. "Who's Who" listed him as holding these
directorships and in addition, American I.G. Chemical Company (branch of
I.G. Farben), Agfa Ansco Corporation, Westinghouse Acceptance Company,
Warburg Company of Amsterdam, chairman of the Board of International
Acceptance Bank, and numerous other banks, railways and corporations.
"Kuhn Loeb & Co. with Warburg have four votes or the majority of the
Federal Reserve Board."29
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Thousands of German opponents of Hitlerism were shot or intimidated by
privately armed Nazi Brown Shirts. In this connection we note that the
original " Merchant of Death," Samuel Pryor, was a founding director of
both the Union Banking Corp. and the American Ship and Commerce Corp.
Since Mr. Pryor was executive committee chairman of Remington Arms and a
central figure in the world's private arms traffic, his use to the Hitler
project was enhanced as the Bush family's partner in Nazi Party banking
and trans-Atlantic shipping.
The U.S. Senate arms-traffic investigators probed Remington after it was
joined in a cartel agreement on explosives to the Nazi firm I.G. Farben.
Looking at the period leading up to Hitler's seizure of power, the
Senators found that " German political associations, like the Nazi and
others, are nearly all armed with American ... guns.... Arms of all kinds
coming from America are transshipped in the Scheldt to river barges before
the vessels arrive in Antwerp. They then can be carried through Holland
without police inspection or interference. The Hitlerists and Communists
are presumed to get arms in this manner. The principal arms coming from
America are Thompson submachine guns and revolvers. The number is great. '
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On March 25, 1942, U.S. Assistant Attorney General Thurman Arnold
announced that William Stamps Farish (grandfather of the President's
money manager) had pled `` no contest '' to charges of criminal
conspiracy with the Nazis. Farish was the principal manager of a
worldwide cartel between Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey and the I.G.
Farben concern. The merged enterprise had opened the Auschwitz slave
labor camp on June 14, 1940, to produce artificial rubber and gasoline
from coal. The Hitler government supplied political opponents and Jews as
the slaves, who were worked to near death and then murdered.
After pleading `` no contest '' to charges of criminal conspiracy with the
Nazis, William Stamps Farish was fined $5,000. (Similar fines were levied
against Standard Oil--$5,000 each for the parent company and for
several subsidiaries.) This of course did not interfere with the millions
of dollars that Farish had acquired in conjunction with Hitler's New
Order, as a large stockholder, chairman and president of Standard Oil.
All the government sought was the use of patents which his company had
given to the Nazis--the Auschwitz patents--but had withheld from the
U.S. military and industry.
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Walter S. Carpenter, Jr. had been chairman of the finance committee of
the Du Pont Corporation (1930-40). In 1933, Carpenter oversaw Du Pont's
purchase of Remington Arms from Sam Pryor and the Rockefellers, and led Du
Pont into partnership with the Nazi I.G. Farben Company for the
manufacture of explosives. Carpenter became Du Pont's president in 1940.
His cartel with the Nazis was broken up by the U.S. government.
Nevertheless, Carpenter remained Du Pont's president as the company's
technicians participated massively in the Manhattan Project to produce
the first atomic bomb. He was chairman of Du Pont from 1948 to 1962,
retaining high-level access to U.S. strategic activities.
Walter Carpenter and Prescott Bush were fellow activists in the Mental
Hygiene Society. Originating at Yale University in 1908, the movement had
been organized into the World Federation of Mental Health by Montagu
Norman, himself a frequent mental patient, former Brown Brothers partner
and Bank of England Governor. Norman had appointed as the federation's
chairman, Brigadier John Rawlings Rees, director of the Tavistock
Psychiatric Clinic, chief psychiatrist and psychological warfare expert
for the British intelligence services. Prescott was a director of the
society in Connecticut; Carpenter was a director in Delaware.
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Brown Brothers, with Averell Harriman, Rockefeller family, Standard Oil,
DuPonts, Morgans and Fords contributed to the financing of the rise to the
capacity of Adolph Hitler as from 1923 by serving d’outil to him
financial.
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Results 2,870 for "Henry Ford" "Adolph Hitler".
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Ford Motor Co. charged in Nazi secret profits on slave labor
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From Who Financed Hitler: The Secret Funding of Hitler's Rise to Power
1919-1933 by James Pool and Suzanne Pool (The Dial Press, 1978), pp 111,
129:
"That Henry Ford, the famous automobile manufacturer gave money to the
National Socialists directly or indirectly has never been disputed," said
Konrad Heiden, one of the first biographers of Hitler.[87] Novelist Upton
Sinclair wrote in The Flivver King, a book about Ford, that the Nazis got
forty-thousand dollars from Ford to reprint anti-Jewish pamphlets in
German translations, and that an additional $300,00 was later sent to
Hitler through a grandson of the ex-Kaiser who acted as an
intermediary.[88] The US Ambassador to Germany, William E. Dodd, said in
an interview that "certain American industrialists had a great deal to do
with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy."[89]
At the time of Dodd's criticisms, the general public was aware that he was
speaking of Ford because the press made a direct association between
Dodd's statements and other reports of Ford's anti-Semitism.
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Henry Ford's reward from Hitler finally came in July 1938, when on his
seventy-fifth birthday he was awarded the Grand Cross of the Supreme Order
of the German Eagle. Ford was the first American and the fourth person in
the world to receive this medal, which was the highest decoration that
could be given to any non-German citizen. Benito Mussolini, another of
Hitler's financiers, had been decorated with the same honor earlier that
year.[128]
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http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_06.htm
Hitler received a mild and comfortable prison sentence for his Bavarian
revolutionary activities. The rest from more active pursuits enabled him
to write Mein Kampf. Henry Ford's book, The International Jew, earlier
circulated by the Nazis, was translated by them into a dozen languages,
and Hitler utilized sections of the book verbatim in writing Mein Kampf.7
We shall see later that Hitler's backing in the late 20s and early 30s
came from the chemical, steel, and electrical industry cartels, rather
than directly from individual industrialists. In 1928 Henry Ford merged
his German assets with those of the I.G. Farben chemical cartel. A
substantial holding, 40 percent of Ford Motor A.G. of Germany, was
transferred to I.G. Farben; Carl Bosch of I.G. Farben became head of Ford
A.G. Motor in Germany. Simultaneously, in the United States Edsel Ford
joined the board of American I.G. Farben. (See Chapter Two.)
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It is these U.S. connections in Wall Street that concern us. Without the
capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I. G. Farben in
the first place and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and World War II.
German bankers on the Farben Aufsichsrat (the supervisory Board of
Directors)1 in the late 1920s included the Hamburg banker Max Warburg,
whose brother Paul Warburg was a founder of the Federal Reserve System in
the United States. Not coincidentally, Paul Warburg was also on the board
of American I. G., Farben's wholly owned U.S. subsidiary. In addition to
Max Warburg and Hermann Schmitz, the guiding hand in the creation of the
Farben empire, the early Farben Vorstand included Carl Bosch, Fritz ter
Meer, Kurt Oppenheim and George von Schnitzler.2 All except Max Warburg
were charged as "war criminals" after World War II.
In 1928 the American holdings of I. G. Farben (i.e., the Bayer Company,
General Aniline Works, Agfa Ansco, and Winthrop Chemical Company) were
organized into a Swiss holding company, I.G. Chemic (Internationale
Gesellschaft fur Chemisehe Unternehmungen A. G.), controlled by I.G.
Farben in Germany. In the following year these American firms merged to
become American I.G. Chemical Corporation, later renamed General Aniline &
Film. Hermann Schmitz, the organizer of I.G. Farben in 1925, became a
prominent early Nazi and supporter of Hitler, as well as chairman of the
Swiss I.G. Chemic and president of American I.G. The Farben complex both
in Germany and the United States then developed into an integral part of
the formation and operation of the Nazi state machine, the Wehrmacht and
the S.S.
I.G. Farben is of peculiar interest in the formation of the Nazi state
because Farben directors materially helped Hitler and the Nazis to power
in 1933. We have photographic evidence (see page 60) that I.G. Farben
contributed 400,000 RM to Hitler's political "slush fund." It was this
secret fund which financed the Nazi seizure of control in March 1933. Many
years earlier Farben had obtained Wall Street funds for the 1925
cartelization and expansion in Germany and $30 million for American I. G.
in 1929, and had Wall Street directors on the Farben board. It has to be
noted that these funds were raised and directors appointed years before
Hitler was promoted as the German dictator.
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http://www.american-buddha.com/bernhard.htm
An important step on the road to world monopoly was the most far-reaching
corporation invented by the Rothschilds. This was the international drug
and chemical cartel, I.G. Farben. Called "a state within a state," it was
created in 1925 as Interessen Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie Aktien
gesellschaft, usually known as I.G. Farben, which simply meant "The
Cartel". It had originated in 1904, when the six major chemical companies
in Germany began negotiations to form the ultimate cartel, merging
Badische Anilin, Bayer, Agfa, Hoechst, Weiler-ter-Meer, and
Greisheim-Electron. The guiding spirit, as well as the financing, came
from the Rothschilds, who were represented by their German banker, Max
Warburg, of M.M. Warburg Company, Hamburg. He later headed the German
Secret Service during World War I and was personal financial adviser to
the Kaiser. When the Kaiser was overthrown, after losing the war, Max
Warburg was not exiled with him to Holland, instead he became the
financial adviser to the new government.
Monarchs may come and go, but the real power remains with the bankers.
While representing Germany at the Paris Peace Conference, Max Warburg
spent pleasant hours renewing family ties with his brother, Paul Warburg,
who, after drafting the Federal Reserve Act at Jekyl Island, had headed
the U.S. banking system during the war. He was in Paris as Woodrow
Wilson's financial advisor.
I.G. Farben soon had a net worth of six billion marks, controlling some
five hundred firms. Its first president was Professor Carl Bosch. During
the period of the Weimar Republic, I.G. officials, seeing the handwriting
on the wall, began a close association with Adolf Hitler, supplying much
needed funds and political influence. The success of the I.G. Farben
cartel had aroused the interest of other industrialists. Henry Ford was
favorably impressed and set up a German branch of Ford Motor Company.
Forty per cent of the stock was purchased by I.G. Farben. I.G. Farben then
established an American subsidiary, called American I.G., in cooperation
with Standard Oil of New Jersey. Its directors included Walter Teagle,
president of Standard Oil, Paul Warburg of Kuhn Loeb & Company and Edsel
Ford, representing the Ford interests. John Foster Dulles, for the law
firm, Sullivan and Cromwell, became the attorney for I.G., frequently
traveling between New York and Berlin on cartel business. His law partner,
Arthur Dean, is now director of the $40 million Teagle Foundation which
was set up before Teagle's death. Like other fortunes it had become part
of the network. Like John Foster Dulles, Arthur Dean has been a director
of American Banknote for many years; this is the firm which supplies the
paper for our dollar bills. Dean also has been an active behind the scenes
government negotiator, serving as arms negotiator at disarmament
conferences. Dean was also a director of Rockefeller's American Ag & Chem
Company. He was a director of American Solvay, American Metal and other
firms. As attorney for the wealthy Hochschild family, who owned Climax
Molybdenum and American Metal, Dean became director of their family
foundation, the Hochschild Foundation. Dean is director emeritus of the
Council on Foreign Relations, the Asia Foundation, International House,
Carnegie Foundation, and the Sloan Kettering Cancer Center.
In 1930, Standard Oil announced that it had purchased an alcohol monopoly
in Germany, a deal which had been set up by I.G. Farben. After Hitler came
to power, John D. Rockefeller assigned his personal press agent, Ivy Lee,
to Hitler to serve as a full-time adviser on the rearmament of Germany, a
necessary step for setting up World War II. Standard Oil then built large
refineries in Germany for the Nazis and continued to supply them with oil
during World War II. In the 1930s Standard Oil was receiving in payment
from Germany large shipments of musical instruments and ships which had
been built in German yards.
The dreaded Gestapo, the Nazi police force, was actually built from the
worldwide intelligence network which I.G. Farben had maintained since its
inception. Herman Schmitz, who had succeeded Carl Bosch as head of I.G.,
has been personal advisor to chancellor Brüning; when Hitler took over,
Schmitz then became his most trusted secret counselor. So well concealed
was the association that the press had orders never to photograph them
together. Schmitz was named an honourary member of the Reichstag, while
his assistant, Carl Krauch, became Göring's principal advisor in carrying
out the Nazis' Four Year Plan. A business associate, Richard Krebs, later
testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee, "The I.G.
Farbenindustrie, I know from personal experience, was already, in 1934,
completely in the hands of the Gestapo." This was a misstatement; the I.G.
Farben had merely allied itself with the Gestapo.
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In 1933, when Hitler seized power, Standard Oil New Jersey supplied
Germany with the patents it required for tetraethyl lead aviation fuel. In
1936, the company Schroder, Rockefeller Investment Bankers, included board
directors linked to the Gestapo and several European, Nazi-linked banks.
It’s lawyers were John Foster Dulles and Allan Dulles, leading Wall Street
fascists who drummed up American investments in Germany and elsewhere. The
Dulles law firm represented I.G. Farben and Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen was
Hitler’s biggest German financier. The Dulles brothers later became
Secretary of State and CIA Director, respectively. ...
... In 1901, the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research was created.
In 1902, the General Education Board (GEB) began four decades of
tremendously controversial influence over American schools and
universities.
That same year, J.D. Rockefeller and Averell Harriman, a business partner
of Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker in Brown Brothers Harriman,
gave $11 million to create the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. Built on
Manhattan property owned by the Dulles brothers, it spawned America’s
ground-breaking “eugenics” research and the world’s first “racial hygiene”
laws. By 1907, Rockefeller funding was heavily influencing America’s
medical institutions. The Rockefeller Institute created the first genetics
lab in 1909. The following year, the Eugenics Research Association and the
Eugenics Records Office were founded near Cold Spring Harbor, New York, on
land donated by the widow of Averell Harriman. In 1911, John Foster Dulles
summed up eugenics, saying that by eliminating “the weakest members of the
population” a purer race could be created.
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After World War II, the permanent CIA was created under Allen Dulles, who
had been an attorney with Sullivan & Cromwell on Wall Street--along with
his brother, John Foster Dulles, who became Eisenhower's Secretary of
State. Sullivan & Cromwell had been the law firm which had long
represented the United Fruit Company. (4) The firm had acted on behalf of
the Rockefellers in business and banking. Through Allen Dulles, the firm
also represented investment banker Brown Brothers, Harriman interests
beginning in 1936 to "dispose of Standard Oil investment stock," which had
been combined with German chemical corporation I.G. Farben. Dulles also
directed U.S. business affairs for Fritz Thyssen, Hitler's primary
financial backer. (5) ...
... The Rockefellers used more than one law firm, depending on the type of
legal work desired. Nelson Aldrich's old firm--called Murray, Aldrich &
Webb in 1931--developed into Milbank Tweed Hadley & McCloy, and
traditionally handled real estate matters. Standard Oil took its legal
work to Sullivan & Cromwell--which was also United Fruit's attorney.
Banking business for the Rockefellers was handled by Milbank Tweed. In
1947 Milbank hired John McCloy, whose legal career began at Cravath,
Henderson & DeGersdorf--later called Cravath, Swaine & Moore. Cravath had
long been the attorneys for investment bank Kuhn, Loeb (which handled
Union Pacific's bond issues for E.H. Harriman at the close of the 19th
century), and by the post-World War I years was handling syndication of
war reconstruction loans for Europe. Kuhn Loeb, the investment banker for
British investors in the syndicate, was noted for partners Otto Kahn,
Jacob Schiff, an agent from the Rothschild bank, Felix and Max Warburg
transplanted to New York from Hamburg, Germany, as well as Sir William
Wiseman from Canada.
In the years after World War I, McCloy had noticed a shift in world
investment. Whereas prior to the war, Cravath represented Europeans
investing in American securities, after the war capital flowed in the
other direction. McCloy was sent to Milan, Italy and traveled extensively
throughout continental Europe--floating bonds in Europe to be sold in
America--which McCloy considered a form of a private "Marshall Plan" to
reconstruct post-war Europe. While in Europe McCloy socialized with Allen
Dulles, Sullivan & Cromwell's man in Paris. McCloy's work in Europe was
interrupted in 1931 to work on the "Black Tom" sabotage case, working
closely with British intelligence--a case which did not end until 1941.
After a decade of studying how the intelligence gathering agencies of
other nations operated, McCloy returned to legal practice where his
clients' goal was to reconstruct a world order with the United States as
the dominant economic and military power. The shift from the Morgan and
Kuhn Loeb banks to the Rockefeller empire exemplified this desire. So did
McCloy's move from Cravath to Milbank Tweed, as well as his eventual
chairmanship of the Chase Manhattan Bank.
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