Re: CO2 Measurement Problems
hanson
news:xtnYc.2390$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> From: http://www.john-daly.com .....
>
Daffy, you are going to rile up all the green turds in this NG. When
hearing the name Daly their jealousy makes them become incontinent.
When Daly departed, his corpse was not even cold yet, but they already
were on the way to piss on his grave. I ain't kidden. Check the archive.
It is of course an empirical fact and the right conclusion what you have
posted via http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm wherein it states:
"The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2
in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological
studies, is false. Therefore IPCC projections should not be used for
national and global economic planning. The climatically inefficient and
economically disastrous Kydioto Protocol, based on IPCC projections, was
correctly defined by President George W. Bush as "fatally flawed".
This criticism was recently followed by the President of Russia Vlad Putin.
I hope that their rational views might save the world from enormous
damage that could be induced by implementing recommendations
based on distorted science."
This is an example which shows that people have finally become wise to
the real and truel intent and goals of environmentalism which can be seen
in their green enviro bible that teaches:
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
HEED THIS:
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
hanson
Roger Coppock
It uses the strawman technique very well. Mainstream science's
knowledge of pre-industrial atmospheric chemistry comes from many
more sources than just ice cores, and data from ice cores has been
corrected for the problems discussed in this letter from Poland.
Furthermore, there are many more ice cores than those discussed
in this letter from Poland; it is highly unlikely that data from all of
them would have the same problem.
Can you explain how measures of gas concentrations from trapped
volumes, everything from sealed jars to the inside of brass uniform
buttons, show lower CO2 concentrations than today?
Can you explain the similar low readings from a wide range proxy data,
stream sediments, tree rings, rock decomposition, etc?
Please read: http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/107.htm
(Of course, you can explain anything, Hanson, so you'll babble away
about some mythical conspiracy of 'green turds.')
Michael Tobis
> "The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
> on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2
> in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological
> studies, is false.
That's contradicts everything I've ever heard the glaciologists or
climatologists I know say on the subject. (I'll add that that this
topic comes up rather often.)
Every time I've ever seen that record plotted it looks something like
this:
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig3-2.htm
Note especially figures b, c and d, which represent the glaciological
record you mention.
So, do you actually have any evidence other than what somebody said on
his website that contradicts widely held scientific opinion based on
direct measurement? If you don't find IPCC a credible source, any
other scientific reference will do.
mt
hanson
"Daffy, you are going to rile up all the green turds in this NG"
charge....ahahaha........AHAHAHAHAHA........ahahahaha:
"Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message
news:25516292.0408...@posting.google.com...
> Classic fossil foolery from the collection of the late John Daly, Hanson.
> It uses the strawman technique very well. Mainstream science's
> knowledge of pre-industrial atmospheric chemistry comes from many
> more sources than just ice cores, and data from ice cores has been
> corrected for the problems discussed in this letter from Poland.
> Furthermore, there are many more ice cores than those discussed
> in this letter from Poland; it is highly unlikely that data from all of
> them would have the same problem.
>
[hanson]
So, that's what you like to believe, Roger. Cool. But remember your
perceptions are tainted by your green slant from your enviro bible
that indoctrinated you with and instructed you to promulgate that
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
>
"Roger Coppock"
> Can you explain how measures of gas concentrations from trapped
> volumes, everything from sealed jars to the inside of brass uniform
> buttons, show lower CO2 concentrations than today?
> Can you explain the similar low readings from a wide range proxy data,
> stream sediments, tree rings, rock decomposition, etc?
> Please read: http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/107.htm
>
[hanson]
I don't have to explain anything, Roger. To me the situation is clear.
I accept the world as I see it and adapt accordingly, in contrast
to your green ilk that is whining & crying doom and worse, is
relentlessy looting/spongeing off the public treasury, using the
teachings of your green bible (above), full well knowing that
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
>
"Roger Coppock"
> (Of course, you can explain anything, Hanson, so you'll babble
> away about some mythical conspiracy of 'green turds.')
>
[hanson]
ahahahaha......hey you said that, Roger. So you admit that you
are aware that there is something fishy in the green lands of
Gaja..........I am glad that you are getting them green boogers
out of you eyes which have prevented you from seeing reality.
Daly was a great man... a man of keen substance, Roger.
When your green comrades in these NG lined up to piss on Daly's
grave, while his corpse was still warm....does unmistakably show
the infantile hatred, fears and mentality of these enviro turds.
There is nothing mythical about them.
They are misanthropic green shits!
Here is that wonderful and true work from Daly again:
http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm wherein it states:
"The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2
in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological
studies, is false. Therefore IPCC projections should not be used for
national and global economic planning. The climatically inefficient and
economically disastrous Kydioto Protocol, based on IPCC projections, was
correctly defined by President George W. Bush as "fatally flawed".
This criticism was recently followed by the President of Russia Vlad Putin.
I hope that their rational views might save the world from enormous
damage that could be induced by implementing recommendations
based on distorted science."
ahahahaha.....ahahahanson
hanson
"Daffy, you are going to rile up all the green turds in this NG"
and good old Roger promptly fulfilled the prophecy and led the
"Michael Tobis" <m...@3planes.com> wrote in message
news:bcaf804.04083...@posting.google.com...
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> > "The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic
> > causes and on projections of climatic change is the assumption
> > of low level of CO2 in the pre-industrial atmosphere.
> > This assumption, based on glaciological studies, is false.
>
[hanson]
ahahaha...... Michael, I didn't *write* (author) that above para.
I *quoted* Daly from Daffy post. What you have done here is
classical green turdry in full accord with the instructions of your
green bible that indoctrinated you with and instructed you to
promulgate that
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
>
[Michael Tobis]
> That's contradicts everything I've ever heard the glaciologists or
> climatologists I know say on the subject. (I'll add that that this
> topic comes up rather often.)
> Every time I've ever seen that record plotted it looks something like
> this:
> http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig3-2.htm
> Note especially figures b, c and d, which represent the glaciological
> record you mention.
>
[hanson]
So, that's what you like to believe, Michael. Cool. But remember your
perceptions are tainted by your green slant from your enviro bible
that indoctrinated you with and instructed you to promulgate that
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
>
[Michael Tobis]
> So, do you actually have any evidence other than what somebody
> said on his website that contradicts widely held scientific opinion
> based on direct measurement? If you don't find IPCC a credible
> source, any other scientific reference will do.
> mt
>
[hanson]
I don't have to explain anything, Mich. To me the situation is clear.
I accept the world as I see it and adapt accordingly, in contrast
to your green ilk that is whining & crying doom and worse, is
relentlessly looting/sponging off the public treasury, using the
teachings of your green bible (above), full well knowing that
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
>
Daly was a great man... a man of keen substance, Michael.
When your green comrades in these NG lined up to piss on Daly's
grave, while his corpse was still warm....does unmistakably show
the infantile hatred, fears and mentality of these enviro turds.
There is nothing mythical about them.
They are misanthropic green shits!
Here is that wonderful and true work from Daly again:
http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm wherein it states:
"The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2
in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological
studies, is false. Therefore IPCC projections should not be used for
national and global economic planning. The climatically inefficient and
economically disastrous Kydioto Protocol, based on IPCC projections, was
correctly defined by President George W. Bush as "fatally flawed".
This criticism was recently followed by the President of Russia Vlad Putin.
I hope that their rational views might save the world from enormous
damage that could be induced by implementing recommendations
based on distorted science."
ahahahaha.....ahahahanson
H. E. Taylor
<han...@quick.net> hanson wrote:
>[...]
>>[...]
>> So, do you actually have any evidence other than what somebody
>> said on his website that contradicts widely held scientific opinion
>> based on direct measurement? If you don't find IPCC a credible
>> source, any other scientific reference will do.
>> mt
>>
> [hanson]
> I don't have to explain anything, Mich. To me the situation is clear.
>
This speaks volumes on hanson.
What a reprehensible scientific ignorance.
Nobody gives a good goddamn what is clear to you.
What matters is what you can prove with cold hard data.
>>[...]
<kachung>
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--
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but you can't lie to nature." -Khalihari
How's yer crap detector? http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/detector.html
H.E. Taylor http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/
Josh Halpern
hanson wrote:
>.......ahahaha......., I surely called the shots, when I said:
>"Daffy, you are going to rile up all the green turds in this NG"
>and good old Roger promptly fulfilled the prophecy and led the
>charge followed by Michael....ahahaha........AHAHAHAHAHA..:
>
and the folk here said that hanson could be reached with logic and
kindness.
The compost bin for him.
josh halpern
"And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of
the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the
earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they
delivered." (Genesis 9:2)
"We might even go so far as to recognize a homesteading right to pollute
or make noise in an area." - Gale Norton
Even if smog were a risk to human life, we must remember that life in
nature, without technology, is wholesale death. –Ayn Rand
It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities
in our air and water that are doing it. – Dan Quayle
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Ronald Reagan
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities
in our air and water that are doing it."...George W. Bush
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."...George W. Bush
"I have flown twice over Mt St. Helens out on our west coast. I'm not a
scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that that
one little mountain has probably released more sulfur dioxide into the
atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of
automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so concerned
about." Ronald Reagan, 1980. (Actually, Mount St. Helens, at its peak
activity, emitted about 2,000 tons of sulfur dioxide per day, compared
with 81,000 tons per day by cars.)
"Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public
mind." — General William Westmoreland United States Army
"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand"
James Watt Secretary of the Interior
>
>
hanson
"Daffy, you are going to rile up all the green turds in this NG"
and good old Roger promptly fulfilled the prophecy and led the
<h...@despam.autobahn.mb.ca> who moaned in
news:4133DA...@despam.autobahn.mb.ca...
> > [hanson]
> > I don't have to explain anything, Mich. To me the situation is clear.
>
> This speaks volumes on hanson. What a reprehensible scientific
> ignorance. Nobody gives a good goddamn what is clear to you.
> What matters is what you can prove with cold hard data.
>
ahahaha......But Taylor, YOU apparently did " give a good goddamn"
and YOU responded as I predicted, or are YOU a "Nobody"?.......
....then moreover, Taylor, I don't have to prove anything because
things are clear to me, unlike you who has engaged and expressed
here in an act of classical green turdry notions that are in full accord
with the instructions of your green bible that has indoctrinated you
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
I, OTOH, do accept the world as I see it and adapt accordingly,
in contrast to your green ilk that is whining & crying doom, & worse
is relentlessly looting/sponging off the public treasury, using the
teachings of your green bible (above), full well knowing that
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
>
Daly was a great man... a man of keen substance, Taylor.
When your green comrades in these NG lined up to piss on Daly's
grave, while his corpse was still warm....does unmistakably show
the infantile hatred, fears and mentality of these enviro turds.
They are misanthropic green shits!
For your benefit, Taylor, here is that wonderful and true work from
hanson
for talking shit) <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> lined up in
the queue labeled as green turds.......ahahahahaha...... with
his message news:OWQYc.2800$OQ6.235@trnddc09..., and
he did it after he, albern Halpern, read 3 posts of mine that
said:
'....ahahahahaha..., I surely called the shots when I said:
"Daffy, you are going to rile up all the green turds in this NG"
and good old Roger promptly fulfilled the prophecy and led the
charge, followed by Michael and then by Taylor" and now.
albern Halpern who could not contain himself, and even
followed his illogical act with threatening me explicitly:
[albern Halpern]
> and the folk here said that hanson could be reached with
> logic and kindness.
> The compost bin for him. --- Josh halpern
[hanson]
ahahaha......AHAHAHAHAHA.....see how you are, albern Halpern?:
Misanthropic to the max! The moment someone does not agree
with your green Weltbild you call for **extermination**..... "the
dust bin for him". If you were important enough to me I would
check the archive whether you were one of those misanthropic
green shits, infesting these NG, who lined up to piss on Daly's
grave, while his corpse was still warm....Were you one of them?
Daly was a great man... a man of keen substance, Josh.
For your benefit, Josh, here is that wonderful and true work from
Daly again: http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm wherein it states:
"The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2
in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological
studies, is false. Therefore IPCC projections should not be used for
national and global economic planning. The climatically inefficient and
economically disastrous Kydioto Protocol, based on IPCC projections, was
correctly defined by President George W. Bush as "fatally flawed".
This criticism was recently followed by the President of Russia Vlad Putin.
I hope that their rational views might save the world from enormous
damage that could be induced by implementing recommendations
based on distorted science."
Take this to heart, Josh, or at least shed your emerging murder
notions you have towards me, the living, and realize that these,
your aberrations, were born from your adherence to the instructions
in your green bible that has indoctrinated you with and instructed
you to promulgate that
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
Realize, Professor Halpern, that I do accept the world as I see it &
adapt accordingly, which includes your threats against my welfare.
Josh, when will YOU realize that the green turds are only after
relentlessly looting/sponging off the public treasury, using the
teachings of the green bible (above), full well knowing that
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
Professor Josh Halpern, are you a member of ELF, Earth First!,
or some other violent extremist enviro group, which is what you
appear to have in common with now, after having announced your
threats against me.......they are all on terrorist watchlists, you know!
ahahahaha......ahahahahanson
Ian St. John
> hanson wrote:
>
>> .......ahahaha......., I surely called the shots, when I said:
>> "Daffy, you are going to rile up all the green turds in this NG"
>> and good old Roger promptly fulfilled the prophecy and led the
>> charge followed by Michael....ahahaha........AHAHAHAHAHA..:
>>
> and the folk here said that hanson could be reached with logic and
> kindness.
Who said that??? How naive..
>
> The compost bin for him.
Just don't read his posts. He has yet to say anything worth reading by a
four year old developmentally handicapped child (Which he greatly
resembles. )
Josh Halpern
hanson wrote:
Whatever. I've added a few for your reading pleasure.
josh halpern
"And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of
the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the
earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they
delivered." (Genesis 9:2)
"We might even go so far as to recognize a homesteading right to pollute
or make noise in an area." - Gale Norton
Even if smog were a risk to human life, we must remember that life in
nature, without technology, is wholesale death. –Ayn Rand
It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities
in our air and water that are doing it. – Dan Quayle
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities
in our air and water that are doing it."...George W. Bush
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."...George W. Bush
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Ronald Reagan
"Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public
mind." — General William Westmoreland United States Army
"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at
hand" James Watt Secretary of the Interior
It is precisely those things which belong to "the people" which have
historically been despoiled- wild creatures, the air, and waterways
being notable examples. This goes to the heart of why property rights
are socially important in the first place. Property rights mean
self-interested monitors. No owned creatures are in danger of
extinction. No owned forests are in danger of being leveled. No one
kills the goose that lays the golden egg when it is his goose.
- Thomas Sowell <http://www.freedomsnest.com/fn/sowtho.html>
http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/reaganquotes.htm
"A tree's a tree. How many more do you need to look at?"
--Ronald Reagan (Governor of California), quoted in the Sacramento Bee,
opposing expansion of Redwood National Park, March 3, 1966
"I don't believe a tree is a tree and if you've seen one you've seen
them all."--Governor Ronald Reagan, in the Sacramento Bee, September 14,
1966
"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under
a desk."--Ronald Reagan (Republican candidate for president), quoted in
the Burlington (Vermont) Free Press, February 15, 1980. (In reality,
the average nuclear reactor generates 30 tons of radioactive waste per
year.)
"I have flown twice over Mount St. Helens. I'm not a scientist and I
don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that one little mountain
out there, in these last several months, has probably released more
sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere than has been released in the last
ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in Time magazine, October 20, 1980. (According
to scientists, Mount St. Helens emitted about 2,000 tons of sulfur
dioxide per day at its peak activity, compared with 81,000 tons per day
produced by cars.)
"Growing and decaying vegetation in this land are responsible for 93
percent of the oxides of nitrogen."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in the Los Angeles Times, October 9, 1980.
(According to Dr. Michael Oppenheimer of the Environmental Defense Fund,
industrial sources are responsible for at least 65 percent and possibly
as much as 90 percent of the oxides of nitrogen in the U.S.)
"Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons
released by vegetation. So let's not go overboard in setting and
enforcing tough emission standards for man-made sources."--Ronald
Reagan, quoted in Sierra, September 10, 1980
"I've said it before and I'll say it again. The U.S. Geological Survey
has told me that the proven potential for oil in Alaska alone is greater
than the proven reserves in Saudi Arabia."--Ronald Reagan, quoted in the
Detroit Free Press, March 23, 1980. (According to the USGS, the Saudi
reserves of 165.5 billion barrels are 17 times the proven reserves--9.2
billion barrels--in Alaska.)
"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?"--Ronald Reagan,
campaign speech, 1980
"Trains are not any more energy efficient than the average automobile,
with both getting about 48 passenger miles to the gallon."--Ronald
Reagan, quoted in the Chicago Tribune, May 10, 1980. (The U.S.
Department of Transportation calculates that a 14-car train traveling at
80 miles per hour gets 400 passenger miles to the gallon. A 1980 auto
carrying an average of 2.2 people gets 42.6 passenger miles to the gallon.)
Roger Coppock
[ . . . ]
> [hanson]
> I don't have to explain anything, Roger. To me the situation is clear.
Think of all the time and money we mere mortals are wasting
trying to build theories that explain the facts well, while the world
has been blessed to have THE 'hanson,' who sits alone in his
own universe, to whom everything is clear and explainations
are not to be required, because all the facts are only his.
aaaaahanson! aaaaaHanson! aaaaaHANSON!
All take refuge in the hanson!
H. E. Taylor
<j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> Josh Halpern wrote:
>>[...]
> kindness.
>
> The compost bin for him.
>
It seems to be about a 10 year old kid.
>[...]
<l8r>
-het
--
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massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and
a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
--sp...@cs.purdue.edu (1992)
Global Warming: http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/globalwarming.html
H.E. Taylor http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/
hanson
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:<DqHYc.2707$8d1...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> [ . . . ]
> > [hanson]
> > I don't have to explain anything, Roger. To me the situation is clear.
> > I accept the world as I see it and adapt accordingly, [ . . . ]
>
> Think of all the time and money we mere mortals are wasting
> trying to build theories that explain the facts well, while the world
> has been blessed to have THE 'hanson,' who sits alone in his
> own universe, to whom everything is clear and explainations
> are not to be required, because all the facts are only his.
> aaaaahanson! aaaaaHanson! aaaaaHANSON!
> All take refuge in the hanson!
>
ahahahaha......ahahahaha......NOW you have acquired wisdom
Roger...... you have shown a tad of (albeit sarcastic) humor, a
rare quality in the mindset of green turds.........ahahahaha......
Some enviros are so fucked up that they utter death threats against
me, like Professor Josh Halpern in his green mania, over a post
quote, that he is not even the author of....
ref: news:OWQYc.2800$OQ6.235@trnddc09...
Never the less I still think that Daly was a great man... a man of
keen substance, who didn't fall victim to common green turdism.
For your benefit, Roger, here is that wonderful and true work from
Daly again: http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm wherein it
states, for your personal benefit:
"The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2
in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological
studies, is false. Therefore IPCC projections should not be used for
national and global economic planning. The climatically inefficient and
economically disastrous Kydioto Protocol, based on IPCC projections, was
correctly defined by President George W. Bush as "fatally flawed".
This criticism was recently followed by the President of Russia Vlad Putin.
I hope that their rational views might save the world from enormous
damage that could be induced by implementing recommendations
based on distorted science."
Now, it is beyond me why you do get so bent out of shpe over Daly's
analysis and me praising it --- IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE CLIMATE --
unless you are so far gone by the effects of the green bible that thaught
you that:
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
I, OTOH, do accept the world as I see it and adapt accordingly,
in contrast to your green ilk that is whining & crying doom, & worse
is relentlessly looting/sponging off the public treasury, using the
teachings of your green bible (above), full well knowing that
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
ahahahaha......ahahahanson
hanson
news:413426...@despam.autobahn.mb.ca...
> In article <OWQYc.2800$OQ6.235@trnddc09>,
> <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> Josh Halpern wrote:
> >>[...]
> > and the folk here said that hanson could be reached
> > with logic and kindness.
> > The compost bin for him.
>
> It seems to be about a 10 year old kid.
>
Taylor, you are worse than Professor Halpern, you do not
even object to his threats....you are so far gone that you,
in your green murderous mania, would allow 10 year old kids
to compost in a bin?..........over a disagreement in a post
that you are not even the author of. Have you gone mad?
Look here, for your benefit and healing is my response to Josh:
hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:AJSYc.3418$8d1....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
ahahaha....."Josh Halpern" who called himself "Albern" (German
for talking shit) <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> lined up in
the queue labeled as green turds.......ahahahahaha...... with
his message news:OWQYc.2800$OQ6.235@trnddc09..., and
he did it after he, albern Halpern, read 3 posts of mine that
said:
....ahahahahaha..., I surely called the shots when I said:
"Daffy, you are going to rile up all the green turds in this NG"
and good old Roger promptly fulfilled the prophecy and led the
charge, followed by Michael and then by Taylor" and now.
albern Halpern who could not contain himself, and even
followed his illogical act with threatening me explicitly:
[albern Halpern]
> and the folk here said that hanson could be reached with
> logic and kindness.
> The compost bin for him. --- Josh halpern
[hanson]
ahahaha......AHAHAHAHAHA.....see how you are, albern Halpern?:
Misanthropic to the max! The moment someone does not agree
with your green Weltbild you call for **extermination**..... "the
dust bin for him". If you were important enough to me I would
check the archive whether you were one of those misanthropic
green shits, infesting these NG, who lined up to piss on Daly's
grave, while his corpse was still warm....Were you one of them?
Daly was a great man... a man of keen substance,who didn't fall
victim to common green turdism, like you did, Josh Halpern.
For your benefit, Josh, here is that wonderful and true work from
Daly again: http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm wherein it states:
"The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2
in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological
studies, is false. Therefore IPCC projections should not be used for
national and global economic planning. The climatically inefficient and
economically disastrous Kydioto Protocol, based on IPCC projections, was
correctly defined by President George W. Bush as "fatally flawed".
This criticism was recently followed by the President of Russia Vlad Putin.
I hope that their rational views might save the world from enormous
damage that could be induced by implementing recommendations
based on distorted science."
Take this to heart, Josh, or at least shed your emerging murder
notions you have towards me, the living, and realize that these,
your aberrations, were born from your adherence to the instructions
in your green bible that has indoctrinated you with and instructed
you to promulgate that
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
Realize, Professor Halpern, that I do accept the world as I see it &
adapt accordingly, which includes your threats against my welfare.
Josh, when will YOU realize that the green turds are only after
relentlessly looting/sponging off the public treasury, using the
teachings of the green bible (above), full well knowing that
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
Now, Taylor, are you, like Professor Josh Halpern, a member of
ELF, Earth First!, or some other violent extremist enviro group,
which is what you appear to have in common with now, after
having announced your collaboration to murder 10 year old
kids.......You want to end up on terrorist watchlists, too!
These are not normal times anymore. Heed my advice!
ahahahaha......ahahahahanson
hanson
a classic example of the face and mindset of an environmentalist
announced in message news:vRSYc.7096$6q.5304@trnddc06...
that he is ready for another round of/with his far left green turdry
and senile mentality (see thread Re: The environmental curse (6)
wherein he, a Professor teaching at Howard Uni, made such an
ass out of himself that several posters did beg him to stop......
Check it out for fun sake)....Now, Albern Halpern, the "good little
gerbil" tries to wiggle out of the bind he got himself into by trying
to divert the issue. Therefore now, here's a repeat of it and it will
be repeated as long as Professor Halpern responds:
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:AJSYc.3418$8d1....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
ahahaha....."Josh Halpern" who called himself "Albern" (German
for talking shit) <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> lined up in
the queue labeled as green turds.......ahahahahaha...... with
his message news:OWQYc.2800$OQ6.235@trnddc09..., and
he did it after he, albern Halpern, read 3 posts of mine that
said:
'....ahahahahaha..., I surely called the shots when I said:
"Daffy, you are going to rile up all the green turds in this NG"
and good old Roger promptly fulfilled the prophecy and led the
charge, followed by Michael and then by Taylor" and now.
albern Halpern who could not contain himself, and even
followed his illogical act with threatening me explicitly:
[albern Halpern]
> and the folk here said that hanson could be reached with
> logic and kindness.
> The compost bin for him. --- Josh halpern
[hanson]
ahahaha......AHAHAHAHAHA.....see how you are, albern Halpern?:
Misanthropic to the max! The moment someone does not agree
with your green Weltbild you call for **extermination**..... "the
dust bin for him". If you were important enough to me I would
check the archive whether you were one of those misanthropic
green shits, infesting these NG, who lined up to piss on Daly's
grave, while his corpse was still warm....Were you one of them?
Daly was a great man... a man of keen substance, who didn't fall
victim to common green turdism, like you did, Josh Halpern.
Michael Tobis
> "Michael Tobis" <m...@3planes.com> wrote in message
> news:bcaf804.04083...@posting.google.com...
> > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> > > "The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic
> > > causes and on projections of climatic change is the assumption
> > > of low level of CO2 in the pre-industrial atmosphere.
> > > This assumption, based on glaciological studies, is false.
> >
> [hanson]
> ahahaha...... Michael, I didn't *write* (author) that above para.
> I *quoted* Daly from Daffy post.
I understood that Daly said that. I was simply amazed that he did. It
contradicts everything I have seen on the subject in the scientific
literature. Of course, while I've seen some considerable amount of it,
I haven't seen all of it.
Therefore I politely asked if you knew what "glaciological studies" he
was referring to.
You replied (amid considerable shrieking and scatology) by asserting
that the quotation was 'wonderful and true', and repeating it.
Perhaps Daly was 'wonderful and true', and IPCC and the climatological
consensus is wrong.
In that case, the glaciological studies Daly referred to must exist.
You could be very helpful in protecting the world from major error by
pointing to so much as a *single observational study* showing a
*single pre-industrial ice core measurement* with higher atmospheric
CO2 concentrations than exist today.
(In my understanding, it's generally believed that the times when CO2
exceeded those of the present were millions of years ago. Ice cores
have been found which are almost a million years old, and the direct
measurements of CO2 concentrations in trapped bubbles have
consistently been under 300 ppmv in comparison with today's 360 ppmv.
Again, see
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig3-2.htm
and in particular compare figures a and d.)
If you reply with more shrieking the attentive reader will be forced
to conclude that you have no evidence other than Daly's unsupported
claim.
mt
hanson
news:bcaf804.04083...@posting.google.com...
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:<YIHYc.2609$w%6.2...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
>
> > "Michael Tobis" <m...@3planes.com> wrote in message
> > news:bcaf804.04083...@posting.google.com...
> > > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> > > > "The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic
> > > > causes and on projections of climatic change is the assumption
> > > > of low level of CO2 in the pre-industrial atmosphere.
> > > > This assumption, based on glaciological studies, is false.
> > >
> > [hanson]
> > ahahaha...... Michael, I didn't *write* (author) that above para.
> > I *quoted* Daly from Daffy post.
>
.....AHAHAHAHAHA.......ahahahahaha.......Michael, Michael, Michael......
YOU are worse the any of the other respondents who lined up in this
call for green turds. You did it twice. --- The point of this entire exercise
was the DEMONSTRATION OF THE FANATICISM, THE INTOLERANCE
AND THE MISANTHROPY THAT PROFUSELY PERMEATES AND PREVAILS IN
THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY -- -The demonstration was highly
successful. I did it merely by exercising EXACTLY THE SAME MO that the
green turds do CONSTANTLY and INCESSANTLY, namely that:
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
>
....and I did it with a single quote from someone else. Yet, even this
tid-bit was enough to draw out of you guys THE FANATICISM, THE
INTOLERANCE AND THE MISANTHROPY THAT SO PROFUSELY
PERMEATES AND PREVAILS IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY.
Here's is the quote again from the author that accomplished this,
the one who angered the green turds so insanely that they had lined
up to piss onto his grave while his corpse was not even cold yet.
Here's this magic blurb again about which I get more and more the
impression that DALY IS HIGHLY LIKELY TO BE TRUE... otherwise
it would not have stirred up such an amount vile green reactions
and such truly sick enviro emotions:
Daly again: http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm wherein it states:
"The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2
in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological
studies, is false. Therefore IPCC projections should not be used for
national and global economic planning. The climatically inefficient and
economically disastrous Kydioto Protocol, based on IPCC projections, was
correctly defined by President George W. Bush as "fatally flawed".
This criticism was recently followed by the President of Russia Vlad Putin.
I hope that their rational views might save the world from enormous
damage that could be induced by implementing recommendations
based on distorted science."
It also bring into focus that these few lines by Daly may NOT be the
primary reason for the vile reaction of/by the green turds, since Daly's
word DO NOT OR CAN NOT HAVE ANY INFLUENCE ONTO THE CLIMATE
AT ALL........ahahahaha, therefore the real reason for this sick, green
behavior by the enviro turds is then exactly what the public at large
had begun to realize, namely that
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
ahahahaha.......ahahanson
Steve Schulin
m...@3planes.com (Michael Tobis) wrote:
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote...
> > "Michael Tobis" <m...@3planes.com> wrote...
The quote attributed to the late Mr. Daly is actually from the March
2004 Senate hearing testimony of Zbigniew Jaworowski. His argument is
that ice cores underrepresent the atmospheric CO2. His testimony --
which describes his reasoning and provides various background and
references -- is posted at http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm
Very truly,
Steve Schulin
http://www.nuclear.com
Ian St. John
> In article <bcaf804.04083...@posting.google.com>,
<snip>
> The quote attributed to the late Mr. Daly is actually from the March
> 2004 Senate hearing testimony of Zbigniew Jaworowski. His argument is
> that ice cores underrepresent the atmospheric CO2. His testimony --
> which describes his reasoning and provides various background and
> references -- is posted at http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm
And it is obviously his own opinion ( given as testimony, not published as
science) mostly emphasising unknowns and possible flaws without ever once
mentioning that the current analysis is cross checked against other studies
and has stood up to rigorous review.
Josh Halpern
hanson wrote:
before taking his meds. Michael tries to be rational with you while you
cower behind an alias. How hanson.
By the way here is some more reading for you. Note the additions
josh halpern
http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/reaganquotes.htm
I am persuaded to think that any climate change is bad because of the
investments and adaptations that have been made by human beings and all
of the things that support human existence upon this globe. Even minor
fluctuations of climate could change the distribution of fish, ... upset
agriculture,...and inundate costal cities...... Such changes could occur
at a faster rate perhaps than human society can evolve.S. Fred Singer,
S.F., ed. 1975. The Changing Global Environment pp5. before he signed on
with the coal mine owners...
At its core, global climate change is not about economic theory or
political platforms, nor about partisan advantage or interest group
pressures. It is about the future of God's creation and the one human
family. It is about protecting both "the human environment" and the
natural environment. It is about our human stewardship of God's creation
and our responsibility to those who come after us. –U.S. Catholic
Bishops, Global Climate Change:
A Plea for Dialogue, Prudence, and the Common Good, July 2001
The world's got a pretty simple choice here. It's between President Bush
and our grandchildren. -Australian Senator Bob Brown
There is no debate among any statured scientists of what is
happening. The only debate is the rate at which it is happening. -James
McCarthy, chair of the Advisory Committee on the Environment of the
International Committee of Scientific Unions
The earth dries up and withers,
the world languishes and withers;
the heavens languish together with the earth.
The earth lies polluted under its inhabitants;
for they have transgressed laws, violated the statutes
broken the everlasting covenant. -the prophet Isaiah (c.760-690
B.C.) Isaiah 24:4-5
hanson
Steve Schulin
His testimony mentions that he has previously published on this specific
subject in peer-reviewed venues. He provides two citations in this
regard. He also cites others' peer reviewed work using non-ice-related
data which he says conflicts with the uniform lowball #s widely endorsed
for preindustrial era.
Here's the two ice core publications:
* Jaworowski, Z., T.V. Segalstad, and N. Ono, Do glaciers tell a true
atmospheric CO2 story? The Science of the Total Environment, 1992. 114:
p. 227-284.
* Jaworowski, Z., Ancient atmosphere - validity of ice records. Environ.
Sci. & Pollut. Res., 1994. 1(3): p. 161-171.
Here's the three non-ice core publications:
* Slocum, G., Has the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere changed
significantly since the beginning of the twentieth century? Month.
Weather Rev., 1955(October): p. 225-231.
* Callendar, G.S., On the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
Tellus, 1958. 10: p. 243-248.
* Wagner, F., et al., Century-scale shifts in Early Holocene atmospheric
CO2 concentration. Science, 1999. 284: p. 1971-1973.
Josh Halpern
from your system yet or is this act natural?
Meanwhile, here is something to read
hanson
news:xG9Zc.28$H26.13@trnddc07...
shows that *THE GREEN IDIOT CAME BACK AGAIN* in form ofwho has turned a quote from a late Australian who commented
on/about global warming into a US partisan issue, by Josh posting
some fucking bible quotes and other inconsequential crock uttered
by the Right, which he, Josh, as an acknowledged misanthropic green
turd so fears. Josh's posts are classic enviro shit, the usual MO, made
by green idiots when they rely on their green bible that has
indoctrinated them with and instructed them to promulgate that....
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
.... that, and to boot with albern Halpern being fully cognizant of
the fact that....
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
Before, his last post in news:vRSYc.7096$6q.5304@trnddc06...
albern Halpern announced that he is ready for another round
of/with his far left green turdry sponsored by his senile mentality.
(see thread Re: The environmental curse (6) wherein he, a Prof.
teaching at Howard Uni, made such an ass out of himself that
several posters did beg him to stop......Check it out for fun sake).
Now, Albern Halpern, the "good little gerbil" tries to wiggle out of
the bind he got himself into by trying to divert the issue. (see above)
Therefore now, here's a repeat of it and it will be repeated as long
as Professor Halpern responds:
>
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> news:AJSYc.3418$8d1....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> ahahaha....."Josh Halpern" who called himself "Albern"(= German
> for talking shit) <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> lined up in
> the queue labeled as green turds.......ahahahahaha...... with
> his message news:OWQYc.2800$OQ6.235@trnddc09..., and
> he did it after he, albern Halpern, read 3 posts of mine that
> said:
> ....ahahahahaha..., I surely called the shots when I said:
> "Daffy, you are going to rile up all the green turds in this NG"
> and good old Roger promptly fulfilled the prophecy and led the
> charge, followed by Michael and then by Taylor" and now
> albern Halpern who could not contain himself, and even
> followed his illogical act with threatening me explicitly:
>
> [albern Halpern]
Josh Halpern
fave.
josh halpern
"And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of
the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the
earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they
delivered." (Genesis 9:2)
"We might even go so far as to recognize a homesteading right to pollute
or make noise in an area." - Gale Norton
Even if smog were a risk to human life, we must remember that life in
nature, without technology, is wholesale death. –Ayn Rand
It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities
in our air and water that are doing it. – Dan Quayle
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."...George W. Bush
hanson
=== Is everybody having fun yet in this exercise that was
=== designed to demonstrate how some reps from higher
=== learning institutions represent the green movement.
Enjoy!, for news:AObZc.419$UR2.352@trnddc08... shows
that *THE GREEN IDIOT CAME BACK AGAIN* in form of
"Josh Halpern", the albern gerbil <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net>
to whom I am so fascinating and/or irritating that he made his
second misanthropic enviro attempt onto my personal well being
with his green hatred in mind, by wishing me to be poisoned
with Cadmium in news:xG9Zc.28$H26.13@trnddc07... ....AHAHA...
.....ahahaAHAHA.....and albern Halpern does it predicactably in
the fashion by which all green shits operate, namely that:
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
....ahahahaha.... albern Halpern's stunt above is another diversion
attempt to rid himself of the albatross around his neck which he
concocted in his previous post about a quote from a late Australian
who commented on/about global warming which albern Halpern
promptly turned into a US partisan issue, by albern Halpern posting
some fucking bible quotes and other inconsequential crock uttered
by the Right, which he, Josh, as an acknowledged misanthropic green
turd so fears. Josh's posts are classic enviro shit, the usual MO, made
by green idiots when they rely on their green bible that has
indoctrinated them with and instructed them to promulgate that....
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
.... that, and to boot, with albern Halpern being fully cognizant of
the fact that....
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
Before, his last post in news:vRSYc.7096$6q.5304@trnddc06...
albern Halpern announced that he is ready for another round
of/with his far left green turdry sponsored by his senile mentality.
(see thread Re: The environmental curse (6) wherein he, a Prof.
teaching at Howard Uni, made such an ass out of himself that
several posters did beg him to stop......Check it out for fun sake).
Now, Albern Halpern, the "good little gerbil" tries to wiggle out of
the bind he got himself into by trying to divert the issue. (see above)
Therefore now, here's a repeat of it and it will be repeated as long
as Professor Halpern responds, showing thereby that he obviously
WANTS TO HEAR IT AGAIN: --- the call is his, since he started it ---
Josh Halpern
Staying up late again hanson....well here is your nightly reading with
new additions about your heros, you may reply until 3 AM
http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/reaganquotes.htm
"Pat Michaels is not one of the nation's leading researchers on climate
change. On the contrary, he is one of a very small minority of
nay-sayers who continue to dispute the facts and science about climate
change in the face of compelling, overwhelming, and growing evidence. I
consider that Michaels is to the science of climate change like the Flat
Earth Society is to the science of planetary shape." " Peter Gleick,
president of the Pacific Institute for Studies in Development,
Environment and Security. "
Gleick "should read what I write: global warming is real, it is caused
by people, and we can't do much about it. What's so controversial about
that?" – Patrick Michaels
hanson
=== Is everybody having fun yet in this exercise that was
=== designed to demonstrate how some reps from higher
=== learning institutions represent the green movement.
Enjoy!, for *THE GREEN IDIOT CAME BACK AGAIN* in form of
"Josh Halpern", the albern gerbil <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net>
(who seems to have CO2 Measurement Problems)
in his post in news:atvZc.1002$xr1.404@trnddc04... which is a repost
of news:AObZc.419$UR2.352@trnddc08... where the "Albern" shows
that he is so FASCINATED BY ME....AHAHAHAHAHA...that he reposted
some fucking bible quotes and other inconsequential crock uttered by
the Right, which he, Josh, as an acknowledged & misanthropic green
turd so fears, but which seems to have made a mighty impression
onto his green mind ....ahahahahaha....ahahahahaha....AHAHAHAHA!
His MO is ripe with abject green turdism, a mental aberration that
afflicts the good professor ever since he, HALPERN BECAME a FOLLOWER
of the green bible, that all green idiots rely on, as it has indoctrinated
and instructed them and him to promulgate that....
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
.... and prior to the above posts, Professor Albern Halpern shows his
abject irrationality in/by his second misanthropic enviro attempt onto
my personal wellbeing with his green hatred in mind, by wishing me
to be poisoned with Cadmium in news:xG9Zc.28$H26.13@trnddc07...
Staying up late again hanson....well here is your nightly reading with
Josh Halpern
http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/reaganquotes.htm
hanson
that you repeat posting don't seem to have the same
impact as my green ones do. My few enviro quotes do raise
the temp & the ire of hordes of green turds, every time,
and consistently, you included. --- But, I still wait for ONE
single one of your imaginary Right-wingers to react as
angrily as you do, to your hilariously ineffective list that you
so laboriously have searched for, collected and prepared.
Your list looks like another one of your many green turds,
that you have spawned .....ahahahAHAHAHA....ahahaha.....
....ahahahahahaahahaha......Keep at it, Professor Halpern.
So far you have been a very, very bad teacher, but some
of your plagiarized notes are outright funny. Unfortunately
not showing the effect you have hoped for.....ahahahaha...
Soo........
.........ahahahahaha.......ahahahahaha......AHAHAHAHA.....
=== Is everybody having fun now in this exercise that was
=== designed to demonstrate how a Professor from a higher
=== learning institution does represent the green movement.
Enjoy!, for *THE GREEN IDIOT CAME BACK AGAIN* in form of
"Josh Halpern", the albern gerbil <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net>
who seems to have CO2 Measurement Problems
in his post in news:5exZc.1012$xr1.72@trnddc04... and in
his post in news:atvZc.1002$xr1.404@trnddc04... all reposts of
his news:AObZc.419$UR2.352@trnddc08... where "Albern" shows
that he is so FASCINATED BY ME....AHAHAHAHAHA...that he reposts
some fucking bible quotes and other inconsequential crock uttered by
the Right, which he, Josh, as an acknowledged & misanthropic green
turd so fears, but which seems to have made a mighty impression
onto his green mind ....ahahahahaha....ahahahahaha....AHAHAHAHA!
His MO is ripe with abject green turdism, a mental aberration that
afflicts the good professor ever since he, HALPERN BECAME a FOLLOWER
of the green bible, that all green idiots rely on, as it has indoctrinated
and instructed them and him to promulgate that....
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
.... and prior to the above posts, Professor Albern Halpern shows his
vile irrationality in/by his second misanthropic enviro attempt onto
hanson
news:hvudnXGXXuK...@gbronline.com...
> Josh Halpern wrote:
> > No no precious, we keep ADDING to the list in your honor.
>
> <yada yada yada deleted>
> Sixteen hundred scientists say that global warming is a
> problem. Sound really bad dosen't it? That's what we all
> hear about, however seventeen thousand scientists say it isn't.
>
[hanson]
ahahahaha....Like I said, "Keep at it, Professor Halpern.
but, so far you have been a very, very bad teacher"......
SirCu, you are right, Josh just doesn't get it because his MO
is ripe with abject green turdism, a mental aberration that
afflicts the good professor ever since he, HALPERN BECAME a
FOLLOWER of the green bible, that all green idiots rely on, as
it has indoctrinated and instructed them and him to
promulgate that....
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
ahahahaha......ahahahanson
Ian St. John
> Josh Halpern wrote:
>
>> No no precious, we keep ADDING to the list in your honor.
>
>
> Sixteen hundred scientists say that global warming is a problem.
Well, you should note 'prominent climatology research' scientists. Not just
any yahoo. These are the people that DEFINE the science, but note that the
IPCC really drew on tens of thousands of individual papers. The role of the
scientist in the IPCC was to sort out, and summarise the science.
Essentially a superset of the 'peer review' process to arrive at the
fundamental facts so far determined by science.
> Sound really bad dosen't it?
No. It says that it is a problem. Nothing about it being 'really bad'. That
is a judgement call and subject to what you mean by 'bad' and what you value
most.
> That's what we all hear about,
The science is actually not really well publicised since there are so many
idiots publishing industry spin and distortions.
> however seventeen thousand scientists say it isn't.
no. Seventeen thousand dentists, lawyers, fictional characters, people with
some sort of university educations, etc signed a petition that was made up
to look like it had the NAS behind it. Most signed it out of conviction that
they were backing a politcal cause. Only a very small number ( under a
hundred) had any climatology credentials and only about two or three had
serious research backgrounds. None of them acutally looked at the science or
even a subset of peer reviewed publications. Most of those who actually had
some serious climatology or related credentials admitted that they were
signing out of temper at not qualifying for the IPCC. This political
exercise made no dent in the science, investigated no research, and had no
peer review. Some could not remember signing. Others claimed that they would
not sign today. Others were incensed that they were fooled by a fraud (the
implied NAS connection).
Note that no poll answers a question of science. The leading authorities in
the field in question define the current knowledge, not the yahoos. That
would be the IPCC, not the political lobbyists.
So much for Mr. Sir Cumcision.
hanson
his news:Y6JZc.23138$CG3.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
because he, asstrolloIan has CO2 Measurement Problems.......
> Sir Loin wrote:
> > Josh Halpern wrote:
> >> No no precious, we keep ADDING to the list in your honor.
> > <yada yada yada deleted>
[Sir Cumference]
> > Sixteen hundred scientists say that global warming is a problem.
> > ....however seventeen thousand scientists say it isn't.
[asstrolloIan]
> Well, you should note 'prominent climatology research' scientists.
> Not just any yahoo. These are the people that DEFINE the science,
>
[hanson]
Well, you should note that 18.66632% of them are good people,
doing R&D, but the other 81.33368% got suckered in and infected
with green turditis and became followers of green Bible, that all
green idiots rely on, as it has indoctrinated and instructed them
to promulgate that....
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
>
[asstrolloIan]
> Note that no poll answers a question of science. The leading
> authorities in the field in question define the current knowledge,
> not the yahoos. That would be the IPCC, not the political lobbyists.
> So much for Mr. Sir Cumcision.
>
[hanson]
Note that no enviro turd cares about that. Green shits use it to
enrich themselves by siponing and sponging off the public trough
being fully cognizant of the fact that....
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
So much for Mr. asstrolloIan, the astrologer
ahahahaha......ahahahahanson
Lloyd Parker
Sir Cumference <radi...@this.not> wrote:
>Josh Halpern wrote:
>
>> No no precious, we keep ADDING to the list in your honor.
>
>
>Sixteen hundred scientists say that global warming is a problem. Sound
>really bad dosen't it? That's what we all hear about, however seventeen
>
journal? Or read what a scientific agency says about it? No, of course
not.
Josh Halpern
Sir Cumference wrote:
> Josh Halpern wrote:
>
>> No no precious, we keep ADDING to the list in your honor.
>
>
> <yada yada yada deleted>
>
> Sixteen hundred
climate
> scientists say that global warming is a problem. Sound really bad
> dosen't it?
> That's what we all hear about, however seventeen thousand scientists
> say it isn't.
Dentists and condensed matter guys. Come to think of it that's the same
thing.
Been there, checked that
Josh Halpern
hanson wrote:
Oooo you mean them Bible quotes like
"..what I write: global warming is real, it is caused by people, and we
can't do much about it. What's so controversial about that?" – Patrick
Michaels
I am persuaded to think that any climate change is bad because of the
investments and adaptations that have been made by human beings and all
of the things that support human existence upon this globe. Even minor
fluctuations of climate could change the distribution of fish, ... upset
agriculture,...and inundate costal cities...... Such changes could occur
at a faster rate perhaps than human society can evolve. S. Fred Singer,
ed. 1975. The Changing Global Environment pp5. before he signed on with
the coal mine owners...
You worship in funny places.
josh halpern
http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/reaganquotes.htm
"should read what I write: global warming is real, it is caused by
hanson
> "Bible quotes like..."[from] "Patrick Michaels, Fred Singer"
....ahahahahaha.....Josh, you are making fun of and mocking
the bible beaters, a constituency the green turds have been
after and proselytizing for with a vengeance. By the comments
you have made you are now working against your own interests.
We know that you are not only an inept & bad teacher, but now
that you are also an abject and colossal failure as a politician......
....your splendid list that you so laboriously have searched for,
collected and prepared and you repeat posting is just not showing
the effect you have hoped for.....ahahahaha...ahahahaha......
I still wait for ONE single one of your imaginary Right-wingers to
react as STUPID and as angrily about your hilariously ineffective
list as you do about mine. Your list is just another one of your very
many green turds that you have spawned .....ahahahaHAHAHA....
....ahahahaHAHAHAhahaha......Keep at it, Professor Halpern...
Soo........[continuation with the main body and -issue].....
.........ahahahahaha.......ahahahahaha......AHAHAHAHA.....
=== Is everybody having fun now in this exercise that was
=== designed to demonstrate how a Professor from a higher
=== learning institution does represent the green movement.
Enjoy!, for *THE GREEN IDIOT CAME BACK AGAIN* in form of
"Josh Halpern", the albern gerbil <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net>
who seems to have CO2 Measurement Problems
in his post in news:QFOZc.1918$UR2.1094@trnddc08... and before
in his post in news:5exZc.1012$xr1.72@trnddc04... & before in his
post in news:atvZc.1002$xr1.404@trnddc04... ALL ~ REPOSTS of
Josh Halpern
spring to hand):
1. "We might even go so far as to recognize a homesteading right to
pollute or make noise in an area." - Gale Norton
2. Even if smog were a risk to human life, we must remember that life
in nature, without technology, is wholesale death. –Ayn Rand
3. It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the
impurities in our air and water that are doing it. – Dan Quayle
4. "[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."...George
W. Bush
5. "We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at
hand" James Watt Secretary of the Interior
Place your votes folks, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5
josh halpern
http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/reaganquotes.htm
Gleick "should read what I write: global warming is real, it is caused
hanson
ahahaha......AHAHAHA...that you, yourself, Professor Halpern,
are the most stupid stake of them all, ......a misanthropic one
and a totally intolerant one at that by turning an environmental
issue (Daly) into a political and religious one, as you have shown,
in your own words, not only to be an inept and bad teacher,
but you are also an abject and colossal failure as a politician,
who has mocked the religious folk, you have wished Cadmium
poisoning on me, you have fantasized to see me in/as a dustheap
....all because I don't see the world with the same green tint as
you do. -- Prof Halpern you are an embarrassment for the
environmental community and for the Left,...just like VD Scotty...
....your splendid list that you repeat posting is just not showing
the effect you have hoped for.....ahahahaha...ahahahaha......
I still wait for ONE single one of your imaginary Right-wingers to
react as STUPID and as angrily as you do about your hilariously
ineffective list that you so laboriously have searched for, collected
and prepared. Your list is just another one of your very many
green turds that you have spawned .....ahahahahahaAHAHAHA....
....ahahahaha......Keep at it, Professor "stupid stakes" Halpern...
Soo........
.........ahahahahaha.......ahahahahaha......AHAHAHAHA.....
=== Is everybody having fun now in this exercise that was
=== designed to demonstrate how a Professor from a higher
=== learning institution does represent the green movement.
Enjoy!, for *THE GREEN IDIOT CAME BACK AGAIN* in form of
"Josh Halpern", the albern gerbil <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net>
who seems to have CO2 Measurement Problems
in his post in news:O%7_c.177$Q44.28@trnddc09... and before
in his post in news:QFOZc.1918$UR2.1094@trnddc08... and b4
in his post in news:5exZc.1012$xr1.72@trnddc04... and b4 in
his post in news:atvZc.1002$xr1.404@trnddc04... ALL REPOSTS of
> threats against me...they are all on terrorist watchlists, you know!
> ahahahaha......ahahahahanson
>
hanson
Professor Josh Halpern, always albern, and now dressed as
Johnny Bravo went into his enviro desperation mode & laid this
green turd to validate & celebrate his own "stupid stake" list......
"Johnny Bravo" <tul...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Frg_c.16474$uN5....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> I'll bet that Teresa Heinz Kerry's puddy hair sticks out
> the sides of her underwear!! Nasty, dirty whore!!
>
HAHAHAHAHA.....ahahahahaha.........AHAHAHAHA..... funny, but
can't you, Josh Halpern, as a professor, do any better than that?
Josh, you are an embarrassment for the environmental community.
Can't you, Josh Halpern, as a professor, see that even when
pretending to be a Right-winger, your habits from your green bible
still show through?.... exactly per green script that:
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
Can you see what you, the environmalists, have spawned here?
Can you see that the Right wingers MO happens to be nothing but
an exact mirror image of your own green shit?...
Or are you too stupid to see that?
There is a difference in one respect. You and the rest of the green
turds won't accept it, but all Right-wingers and the general public
does known that
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
Professor Halpern,
You are an embarrassment to the environmental community!
ahahahaha........ahahanson
Josh Halpern
Well, I'm going out tonight, so I though it best to leave a reading
assignment for our friend:
http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/reaganquotes.htm
hanson wrote:
hanson
news:uJq_c.1010$x12.389@trnddc05...
> Well, I'm going out tonight, so I though it best to leave
> a reading assignment for our friend:
> = & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
> = feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
> = regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
> = $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
> = to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
> = which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
> .... because environmentalists cling to their green bible that has
> indoctrinated and instructed them to believe and to promulgate
> that:
> := "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
> := believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
> := "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
> := accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
> := "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
> := mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
> := -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
> := a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
......AHAHAHAHA...ahahahahaha... now you are cooking, Josh!
Congratulations! You should go out more often and share the
profound truth and wisdom in the above 2 paragraphs with your
other green turds on your furloughs.
Sadly, your own glorious previous list has only attracted one single
respondent, a Mr. Johnny Bravo, who told you in no uncertain
terms that he prefers see Teresa Heinz Kerry's cunt hair over
your trite commonly know mishmash on your previous list, by far.
You should cater to him, and not refer to Mr. Bravo as "our" friend,
and you should tell the truth that he is YOUR friend, as he has
responded to you and not me, or do you practice your deviant
green ways on all levels of conduct and in all walks of life?.... by
you exercising the edicts of that green bible that you so adore
and tells you that...
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
Still I see, you move in august company, Professor. So, learn something
from your respondent and friend, that brilliant Mr. Bravo. Consider, Josh,
Johnny Bravo, a dude who has such pubic, well public & hairy interests
on his mind can't be all bad. He towers over you & any other green
turd with his intellect, anytime and anywhere.
ahahahaha......ahahahahanson
Josh Halpern
Jack
"And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of
the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the
earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they
delivered." (Genesis 9:2)
"We might even go so far as to recognize a homesteading right to pollute
or make noise in an area." - Gale Norton
Even if smog were a risk to human life, we must remember that life in
nature, without technology, is wholesale death. –Ayn Rand
It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities
in our air and water that are doing it. – Dan Quayle
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."...George W. Bush
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Ronald Reagan
"Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public
mind." — General William Westmoreland United States Army
"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at
hand" James Watt Secretary of the Interior
It is precisely those things which belong to "the people" which have
historically been despoiled- wild creatures, the air, and waterways
being notable examples. This goes to the heart of why property rights
are socially important in the first place. Property rights mean
self-interested monitors. No owned creatures are in danger of
extinction. No owned forests are in danger of being leveled. No one
kills the goose that lays the golden egg when it is his goose. - Thomas
Sowell <http://www.freedomsnest.com/fn/sowtho.html>
Michael Tobis
previous occasions on this subject, and vastly more useful than
Hanson's, obviously.
I remain very doubtful that this will prove to be a strong argument
but I will consider the matter further.
Michael Tobis
Steve Schulin <steve....@nuclear.com> wrote in message news:<steve.schulin-
hanson
great exitment in news:ZVM_c.1160$Q44.799@trnddc09...
> Ah yes, Aku, we shall defeet you..... , Jack
[hanson]
Ah,......the opinions in full clarity by Josh Hapern's character,
a professor who "teaches" at a largely black college.....
........ahahahaha........AHAHAHAHAHA.......ahahaha.....
Don't let any get on you, ..... but you probably enjoy it.
Apparently you are still drunk from your loudly advertised
furlough last nite and/or your perverted character-side is
showing thru' again like you so profusely exhibited in thread
Re: The environmental curse (6), a saga that reflected the
same issues of your character, as well as in the case here :
Josh Halpern
hanson wrote:
>"Josh Halpern"
>
>
>>Ah yes, Aku, we shall defeet you..... , Jack
>>
>>
>
>[hanson]
>Ah,......the opinions in full clarity by Josh Hapern's character,
>a professor who "teaches" at a largely black college.....
>........ahahahaha........AHAHAHAHAHA.......ahahaha.....
>
Ah the safety of the anonymous coward, where hanson postures
as a hero behind the fence.
Now, for those of you who do not know, and frankly I don't
want to make a big deal of it, I work at Howard University,
whose student body is African-American. Before the yahoos
out there start making with the nasty, can you think of a
university in the US that has had a more positive influence on
the country in the last century? I think not, unless you pine for
the days of segregation and slavery. The students are nice
folk, a few of them are extremely good on an absolute
scale while most are typical of comprehensive university
students. I know this because I collaborate at a lot of places
and work with a lot of students there.
Oh yes, hanson, the strutting bravo who hides behind
a pseudonym
And as far as ugly goes, he is the pro.
josh halpern
"And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered." (Genesis 9:2)
"We might even go so far as to recognize a homesteading right to pollute or make noise in an area." - Gale Norton
Even if smog were a risk to human life, we must remember that life in nature, without technology, is wholesale death. –Ayn Rand
It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it. – Dan Quayle
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."...George W. Bush
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Ronald Reagan
"Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind." — General William Westmoreland United States Army
"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand" James Watt Secretary of the Interior
It is precisely those things which belong to "the people" which have historically been despoiled- wild creatures, the air, and waterways being notable examples. This goes to the heart of why property rights are socially important in the first place. Property rights mean self-interested monitors. No owned creatures are in danger of extinction. No owned forests are in danger of being leveled. No one kills the goose that lays the golden egg when it is his goose. - Thomas Sowell
http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/reaganquotes.htm
hanson
whine and cry in his message news:tzR_c.4043$vI2.2495@trnddc02...
about his previous post in news:ZVM_c.1160$Q44.799@trnddc09...
>[wherein] "Josh Halpern" [wrote]
> >> Ah yes, Aku, we shall defeet you..... , Jack
>
>[hanson]
> >a professor who "teaches" at a largely black college.....
> >........ahahahaha........AHAHAHAHAHA.......ahahaha.....
> > Apparently you are still drunk from your loudly advertised
> > furlough last nite and/or your perverted character-side is
> > showing thru' again like you so profusely exhibited in thread
> > Re: The environmental curse (6), a saga that reflected the
> > same issues of your character, as well as in the case here :
>
[now whines and tries to weasel out, green turd style:]
> Ah the safety of the anonymous coward, where hanson
> postures as a hero behind the fence.
> Now, for those of you who do not know, and frankly I don't
> want to make a big deal of it, I work at Howard University,
> whose student body is African-American. Before the yahoos
> out there start making with the nasty, can you think of a
> university in the US that has had a more positive influence on
> the country in the last century? I think not, unless you pine for
> the days of segregation and slavery. The students are nice
> folk, a few of them are extremely good on an absolute
> scale while most are typical of comprehensive university
> students. I know this because I collaborate at a lot of places
> and work with a lot of students there.
> Oh yes, hanson, the strutting bravo who hides behind
> a pseudonym
> And as far as ugly goes, he is the pro.
> josh halpern
>
ahahahaha.......AHAHAHAHA......why are you whining, Josh?
YOU ran after me....so, why your green crocodile tears now?
Look Halpern, I don't mind nor care that you post and repost
your list of Bible and Right wing quotes..... but, how long does
it take you to realize that your list of sub-standard, ineffective
= political = quotes, your responses to a few self-damming
= environmental = messages(*) & Daly's piece (**)
news:cLrYc.2047$8d1...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net
will only produce "Johnny Bravo"s <tul...@cfl.rr.com> a la
news:Frg_c.16474$uN5....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
where he makes a bet with you that Teresa Heinz Kerry's cunt
hair shows thru' her underwear, sideways,.........ahahahaha
.... and then you come back at ME, NOT HIM with a thinly veiled,
racial smear, as if I were colored and/or Bravo with your post in
news:ZVM_c.1160$Q44.799@trnddc09...
wherein you, "Josh Halpern" [wrote]
> >Ah yes, Aku, we shall defeet you..... , Jack
Professor Halpern, you are an embarrassment to academia
and to the environmental movement.
(*) = an *OPINION* that you huffed over and about...ahahaha
ahahahahaha......which says:
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
or (**) = Daly in http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm wherein
it states the OPINION that:
"The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2
in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological
studies, is false. Therefore IPCC projections should not be used for
national and global economic planning. The climatically inefficient and
economically disastrous Kydioto Protocol, based on IPCC projections, was
correctly defined by President George W. Bush as "fatally flawed".
This criticism was recently followed by the President of Russia Vlad Putin.
I hope that their rational views might save the world from enormous
damage that could be induced by implementing recommendations
based on distorted science."
What's the big deal Professor, :::: opinions are OPINIONS!! :::::
But, it is typical green turd behavior to carry on and on at
working hard not letting other folks express their own opinions
which may differ from your green one. Is that what you teach
to your students?..... values along the lines of the green bible
that teaches, indoctrinates and promulgates that
:= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
:= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
:= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
:= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
:= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
:= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
:= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
:= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
Sheesh, Josh, shave your green balls and drop this line or
elect to become an ever larger blemish for academia and
against the environmental movement.........
ahahahaha.........ahahahahanson
PS: Hey Josh, no hard feelings. OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS!
.....Let'em sing, Josh.....all of'em....it's a beautiful choir.....
Steve Schulin
m...@3planes.com (Michael Tobis) wrote:
> Thank you. That's a more useful response than you have given on
> previous occasions on this subject, ...
LOL - is your confidence (in your recollection that I've ever addressed
this particular subject) as high here as for the rest of the
condescending clatter you've chosen to share?
> ... and vastly more useful than
hanson
news:bcaf804.04090...@posting.google.com...<steve.schulin-D37...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>
> Thank you. That's a more useful response than you have given on
> previous occasions on this subject, and vastly more useful than
> Hanson's, obviously.
>
... "obviously", for you & other green turds who were indoctrinated
by the green bible that instructed them to follow and practice that
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [political] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
...... "obviously", for you and other little green idiots who can't see
that they are facilitators and enablers for the real green sharpies
who fuck the public's trust und sponge off the public trough, despite
the growing knowlege in the public that
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 40 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =
ahahahaha........ahahahahanson
[Michael Tobis]
> I remain very doubtful that [these ice core publications]
> will prove to be a strong argument
> but I will consider the matter further.
> Michael Tobis
>
[hanson]
....and I will "remain very doubtful" that YOUR considerations
will have any influence on the waxing or waning of glaciers
at all,.....smearing your cyber green shit all over glaciers and
inserting strategically placed cybwer green turds onto glaciers
will hardly have any effects whatsoever......ahahahaha.......but
please keep doing your thing, Tobis, in full accord with my
creed: "Let'em sing....all of'em.....it's a beautiful choir"
ahahahaha.......ahahahanson
> Steve Schulin <steve....@nuclear.com> wrote in
<steve.schulin-D37...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>
Josh Halpern
hanson wrote:
>>[wherein] "Josh Halpern" [wrote]
>>
>>
>>>>Ah yes, Aku, we shall defeet you..... , Jack
>>>>
>>[hanson]
>>
The purile opinion and calumniation of the envious hanson removed.
>[Josh Halpern.....]
>[now whines and tries to weasel out, green turd style:]
>
Hanson, the posturing coward.
Hanson, the coward he is faint and heartless
Hanson, who cowers behind his alias ashamed
Hanson, a coward flying from his own shadow
Hanson, an odious name, a ghostly coward, and eternal shame.
Hanson, who only offers character assignation bluster and bullshit.
Hanson, who when challenged retreats into infantile rage.
Ah yes, hanson.
hanson
"Josh Halpern" <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> who tries
hard to weasel himself out of his predicament with his angry
barks at me in his hilariously sub-intellectual, sadder then sad
news:6Va%c.4261$j62.2553@trnddc04... in which Professor
"Josh Halpern" <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> began to
about his previous post in news:ZVM_c.1160$Q44.799@trnddc09...
> >> Ah yes, Aku, we shall defeet you..... , Jack
>
>[hanson]
> >a professor who "teaches" at a largely black college.....
> >........ahahahaha........AHAHAHAHAHA.......ahahaha.....
> > Don't let any get on you, ..... but you probably enjoy it.
> > Apparently you are still drunk from your loudly advertised
> > furlough last nite and/or your perverted character-side is
> > showing thru' again like you so profusely exhibited in thread
> > Re: The environmental curse (6), a saga that reflected the
> > same issues of your character, as well as in the case here :
>
[now whines and tries to weasel out, green turd style:]
wherein you, "Josh Halpern" [wrote]
> >Ah yes, Aku, we shall defeet you..... , Jack
Professor Halpern, you are an embarrassment to academia
Michael Tobis
one ('92) is in the Citation Index (err, sorry 'Web of Science'
<cringe>). The second one, from '94, appears not to be.
Not including a self-citation, Jaworowski '92 has been cited only 7
times in the literature according to the citation index, mostly in
opinion pieces.
However, there is a citation in Science 1993 in:
The Ice Record of Greenhouse Gases.
Raynaud, D.; Jouzel, J.; Barnola, J. M.; Chappellaz, J.; Delmas,
R. J.; Lorius, C.
Science Volume 259(5097) 12 February 1993 pp
926-934
"The uncertainties concerning the reliability of the record increase
with the age of the ice and the depth of recovery of the core, and it
has been suggested that the long-term CO2 record is an artifact caused
by the structural changes of the ice with depth and by post-coring
processes [8]. "
where reference 8 is Jaworowski '92.
Reynaud et al go on to refute this and related positions quite in the
next two paragraph.
===>
The record itself provides evidence that the changes observed are not
caused by the presence of air hydrates or fractures. For example,
increases in CO2 and CH4 concentrations in the Vostok core are similar
for the last two glacial-interglacial transitions, even though only
the most recent transition is located in the brittle zone. Such
evidence argues that the atmospheric trace-gas signal is not strongly
affected by the presence of the brittle zone (an increasing scatter of
the trace-gas concentrations can be observed in ice samples
contaminated by drilling fluid intrusions; such scattered data must be
interpreted with caution). Also, the last glacial-interglacial
transition has been investigated along the two Antarctic ice cores
from Byrd and Vostok stations. The transition is in the region of
air-hydrate formation at Byrd but not at Vostok, yet the CO2 and CH4
records from the two cores are similar. We are consequently confident
that the large CO2 and CH4 increases, recorded during the glacial to
interglacial transitions and showing similar amplitudes from one core
to another, are not an artifact linked with the air-hydrate occurence
in ice.
More generally, the good agreement obtained for the
glacial-interglacial changes of CO2 [11-14] and CH4 levels [15-17]
recorded in different types of ice (with and without air hydrates or
fractures or cracks, as well as different temperatures, snow
accumulation rates, ice structures, and so on) on the same core
(Vostok) or among different cores support the notion that, overall,
the long-term trace-gas record from ice cores accurately reflects
atmospheric changes. That the records can be reproduced with a new set
of measurements performed several years after the initial measurements
[see [13,18] for instance] is another reason for confidence in the
atmospheric signal of the ice record of trace gases.
<===
Further significant citation of Jaworowski '92 doesn't appear in the
peer review literature.
Jaworowski's review makes no bones about its position:
===>
Until 1985 most studies of CO2 in gas inclusions in pre-industrial ice
indicated that CO2 concentrations (up to 2450 ppm) were higher than
the current atmospheric level. After 1985, lower pre-industrial CO2
values were reported, and used as evidence for a recent man-made CO2
increase. The errors in these revised values, however, are of a
similar magnitude to the apparent increase in atmospheric CO2 level.
The assumptions used in estimating lower CO2 values in past
atmospheres have been: no liquid phase in polar ice; younger age of
air than of ice due to free gas exchange between deep firn and the
atmosphere; and no change in composition of air inclusions. These
assumptions are shown to be invalid. Liquid saline water exists in
ice at low temperatures, even below -70-degrees-C; airtight ice layers
are ubiquitous in Antarctic firn; and more than 20 physico-chemical
processes operating in situ and in ice cores contribute to the
alteration of the chemical composition of air inclusions. The
permeable ice sheet with its capillary liquid network acts as a sieve
which redistributes elements, isotopes, and micro-particles.
Thirty-six to 100% of air recovered from old ice is contaminated by
recent atmospheric air during field and laboratory operations. The
value of approximately 290 ppm, widely accepted from glacier studies
for the pre-industrial atmospheric CO2 level, apparently results from:
invalid assumptions; processes in ice sheets; artifacts in ice cores;
and arbitrary rejection of high readings. To date, glaciological
studies are not able to provide a reliable reconstruction of either
the CO2 level in pre-industrial and ancient atmospheres or
paleoclimates. Instead these studies have led to a widely accepted
false dogma of man-made climatic warming. This dogma may have
enormous negative impact on our common future.
<===
To me this reads as polemics and not as science, but I suppose one
could argue that I am prejudiced.
Still I note that this is Jaworowski's only paper on any closely
related topic. Mostly he appears to be interested in anthropogenic
radiation from nuclear power. The citation index does not list the '94
paper, so I can't even see an abstract. Both appear in rather obscure
journals.
As far as I can tell, there was no followup to Reynaud's refutation,
and Jaworowski's paper has had little impact in the scientific
discussion since.
Of course, none of this proves that Jaworowski is wrong, but it's
going to be hard to get any further in investigating it without
getting a copy of the original article. (It's in a rather obscure
journal, so despite the excellent access from the University of
Chicago, all I can immediately access is the abstract.)
Has anyone here actually seen this paper? Mr. Schulin, perhaps? Please
let me know if you can get me a copy, thanks! Has anyone followed on
to this work in the past dozen years?
Meanwhile I will be reading Reynaud et al, which appears to be an
excellent review of the field.
mt
Eric Swanson
Thanks for the excellent post.
As I'm not familiar with the literature on the subject, I wondered whether
the contamination mentioned would be easily checked with tests for
trace gases that can only be due to recent industrial activity, such
as the CFC's that are often used as tracers for ocean circulation.
If these gases are absent in the gas retrieved from the ice cores, then,
I suggest that would refute the contention that there is contamination
of the CO2 also retrieved from these cores, due to modern air.
--
Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Josh Halpern
hanson wrote:
>AHAHAHAHA..........ahahaha... desperation has hit Professor
>"Josh Halpern" <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> who tries
>hard to weasel himself out of his predicament with his angry
>barks at me in his hilariously sub-intellectual, sadder then sad
>news:6Va%c.4261$j62.2553@trnddc04... in which Professor
>"Josh Halpern" <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> began to
>whine and cry in his message news:tzR_c.4043$vI2.2495@trnddc02...
>about his previous post in news:ZVM_c.1160$Q44.799@trnddc09...
>
>
>>[wherein] "Josh Halpern" [wrote]
>>
>>
>>>>Ah yes, Aku, we shall defeat you..... , Jack
>>>>
Hear the bleating hanson.
Hanson, who only offers bluster.
Hanson, who cowers behind his alias ashamed
Hanson, who glories in his infantile rage.
hanson
news:p5v%c.5985$Va5.4911@trnddc01... over an abstract by
Daly (see **) about which YOU ran after me and which you
have countered with your Bible- and anti-rightwing quote-list
that you salted and enhanced as of late with your racial slurs
begins to sound like a self-fulfilling prophecy that you work so
very hard at to bring it to its rapture....ahahaha........ahahaha....
Watching you in your strange left/green gyrations tells me that it
is just a question of time until someone, MOSTLY YOU, YOURSELF,
will bring your discriminatory behavior, unbecoming a professor,
here to the attention of your "yahoos", by which you apparently
mean personalities like reverends Sharpton or Jessie Jackson, not
to mention some of your own students ....ahahahaha.....ahahaha...
Josh, consider that your racial slurs, like "dee-feet" and "yahoos"
below, are not the only epithets that you have uttered. In your post in
thread "The environmental curse (6)" you, the Professor, exclaimed
in your news:6uEjc.91527$L31....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>
"hanson....How many times do we have to tell you turds are brown."
Josh are environmentalists generally like you? Misanthropic & racist?
.
..........and there is more in prior posts relating to your unseemly
behavior:
AHAHAHAHA..........ahahaha... desperation has hit Professor
"Josh Halpern" <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> who tries
hard to weasel himself out of his predicament with his angry
barks at me in his hilariously sub-intellectual, sadder then sad
news:6Va%c.4261$j62.2553@trnddc04... in which Professor
"Josh Halpern" <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> began to
whine and cry in his message news:tzR_c.4043$vI2.2495@trnddc02...
about his previous post in news:ZVM_c.1160$Q44.799@trnddc09...
>[wherein] "Josh Halpern" [wrote]
= environmental = messages(*) and Daly's piece (**)
news:cLrYc.2047$8d1...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net
will only produce "Johnny Bravo"s <tul...@cfl.rr.com> a la
news:Frg_c.16474$uN5....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
where he makes a bet with you that Teresa Heinz Kerry's cunt
hair shows thru' her underwear, sideways,.........ahahahaha
.... and then you come back at ME, NOT HIM with a thinly veiled,
racial smear, as if I were colored and/or Bravo with your post in
news:ZVM_c.1160$Q44.799@trnddc09...
Sheesh, Josh, shave your green balls and drop your line of argument,
start a new thread, run after me in another post, or continue and
Steve Schulin
m...@3planes.com (Michael Tobis) wrote:
> the most recent transition is located in the brittle zone. ...
This makes it sound like the dating and the CO2 measurements are
independent. Is that true? Or did the CO2 and CH4 concentration change
prompt the researchers to say this looks like a glacial-interglacial
transition?
> ... Such
Compare his Congressional testimony to, say, Michael Mann's.
Jaworowski's assessment includes footnotes. Not so the Mann statement at
www.nam.org/s_nam/bin.asp?CID=201558& DID=226975&DOC=FILE.PDF
>
> Still I note that this is Jaworowski's only paper on any closely
> related topic. Mostly he appears to be interested in anthropogenic
> radiation from nuclear power. The citation index does not list the '94
> paper, so I can't even see an abstract. Both appear in rather obscure
> journals.
Have you read the link to the Daly page which Hansen provided? It
contains the testimony from which he posted excerpt. Jaworowski
describes extensive background on closely related topics, including his
work involving lead published in Nature.
>
> As far as I can tell, there was no followup to Reynaud's refutation,
> and Jaworowski's paper has had little impact in the scientific
> discussion since.
>
> Of course, none of this proves that Jaworowski is wrong, but it's
> going to be hard to get any further in investigating it without
> getting a copy of the original article. (It's in a rather obscure
> journal, so despite the excellent access from the University of
> Chicago, all I can immediately access is the abstract.)
>
> Has anyone here actually seen this paper? Mr. Schulin, perhaps? ...
No. But I'll put it and the post-Raynaud paper on my library to-do list.
The National Library of Medicine here in Bethesda might have both, and
the Library of Congress has a world class journal collection too.
> ... Please
Is It Lunchtime Yet?
Go back to work.
hanson
You are causing grief for the malevolent green professor.
ahahahaha......ahahahahanson
"Is It Lunchtime Yet?" <er...@spam.sausage> wrote in message
news:j8D%c.3$AZ2....@news.uswest.net...
Michael Tobis
> > ===> [Reynaud et al]:
> > The record itself provides evidence that the changes observed are not
> > caused by the presence of air hydrates or fractures. For example,
> > increases in CO2 and CH4 concentrations in the Vostok core are similar
> > for the last two glacial-interglacial transitions, even though only
> > the most recent transition is located in the brittle zone. ...
>
> This makes it sound like the dating and the CO2 measurements are
> independent. Is that true? Or did the CO2 and CH4 concentration change
> prompt the researchers to say this looks like a glacial-interglacial
> transition?
You're just making this up, right?
How about we just say that there are two dominant events widely
thought to be similar, one of which was subject to the proposed
distortion, and yet the gross signs that some would have attributed to
that distortion did not appear.
> > To me this reads as polemics and not as science, but I suppose one
> > could argue that I am prejudiced.
>
> Compare his Congressional testimony to, say, Michael Mann's.
> Jaworowski's assessment includes footnotes. Not so the Mann statement at
> www.nam.org/s_nam/bin.asp?CID=201558& DID=226975&DOC=FILE.PDF
That's pretty silly. Do you want congressional testimony to turn into
who can bring along the most irrelevant citations? Do you think Mann
couldn't cite references?
> > Still I note that this is Jaworowski's only paper on any closely
> > related topic. Mostly he appears to be interested in anthropogenic
> > radiation from nuclear power. The citation index does not list the '94
> > paper, so I can't even see an abstract. Both appear in rather obscure
> > journals.
>
> Have you read the link to the Daly page which Hansen provided? It
> contains the testimony from which he posted excerpt. Jaworowski
> describes extensive background on closely related topics, including his
> work involving lead published in Nature.
He succeeds in doing some spin, but I don't find his credentials as a
glaciologist compelling.
That doesn't mean he's wrong, understand.
Reynaud's refutation probably does, though, unless someone has come up
with a counterargument.
mt
Steve Schulin
> Steve Schulin <steve....@nuclear.com> wrote...
> > m...@3planes.com (Michael Tobis) wrote:
> > ...
> > > ===> [Reynaud et al]:
> > > The record itself provides evidence that the changes observed are not
> > > caused by the presence of air hydrates or fractures. For example,
> > > increases in CO2 and CH4 concentrations in the Vostok core are similar
> > > for the last two glacial-interglacial transitions, even though only
> > > the most recent transition is located in the brittle zone. ...
> >
> > This makes it sound like the dating and the CO2 measurements are
> > independent. Is that true? Or did the CO2 and CH4 concentration change
> > prompt the researchers to say this looks like a glacial-interglacial
> > transition?
>
> You're just making this up, right?
The questions? Yep. The dating of ice cores is quite a piece of
detective work. I'd be surprised to hear that the concentration change
was not one of the clues.
>
> How about we just say that there are two dominant events widely
> thought to be similar, one of which was subject to the proposed
> distortion, and yet the gross signs that some would have attributed to
> that distortion did not appear.
Not having seen the paper to which Raynaud et al. are replying, I
hesitate to share your proferred opinion on the matter. Is the fracture
phenomena that Raynaud et al. describe the same as the dense horizontal
cracking Jaworowski referred to in his 2004 testimony? I don't know.
Does it include the post-explosion cracking Jaworowski also referred to
in his 2004 testimony? I don't know. Jaworowski cites 20 or more
physico-chemical processes, mostly related to the presence of liquid
water, which contribute to the alteration of the original chemical
composition of the air inclusions in polar ice. Clathrate formation is
one of those 20-plus processes. He cites his own 1992 paper on this
20-plus argument, BTW.
>
> > > To me this reads as polemics and not as science, but I suppose one
> > > could argue that I am prejudiced.
> >
> > Compare his Congressional testimony to, say, Michael Mann's.
> > Jaworowski's assessment includes footnotes. Not so the Mann statement at
> > www.nam.org/s_nam/bin.asp?CID=201558& DID=226975&DOC=FILE.PDF
>
> That's pretty silly. Do you want congressional testimony to turn into
> who can bring along the most irrelevant citations? ...
No. I can't imagine even giving your suggestion a second's
consideration. Did you make _that_ up?
> ... Do you think Mann
> couldn't cite references?
No, but I do think you are prejudiced.
>
> > > Still I note that this is Jaworowski's only paper on any closely
> > > related topic. Mostly he appears to be interested in anthropogenic
> > > radiation from nuclear power. The citation index does not list the '94
> > > paper, so I can't even see an abstract. Both appear in rather obscure
> > > journals.
> >
> > Have you read the link to the Daly page which Hansen provided? It
> > contains the testimony from which he posted excerpt. Jaworowski
> > describes extensive background on closely related topics, including his
> > work involving lead published in Nature.
>
> He succeeds in doing some spin, but I don't find his credentials as a
> glaciologist compelling.
LOL - were you even born when he published his 1968 paper on lead
content in glacier ice? But I sure don't discourage skepticism. I might
not have mentioned it if you hadn't made the clearly erroneous claim
that "this is Jaworowski's only paper on any closely related topic."
>
> That doesn't mean he's wrong, understand.
>
> Reynaud's refutation probably does, though, unless someone has come up
> with a counterargument.
>
> mt
Very truly,
Steve Schulin
http://www.nuclear.com
Michael Tobis
> In article <bcaf804.04090...@posting.google.com>,
> m...@3planes.com (Michael Tobis) wrote:
>
> > Steve Schulin <steve....@nuclear.com> wrote...
> > > m...@3planes.com (Michael Tobis) wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > ===> [Reynaud et al]:
> > > > The record itself provides evidence that the changes observed are not
> > > > caused by the presence of air hydrates or fractures. For example,
> > > > increases in CO2 and CH4 concentrations in the Vostok core are similar
> > > > for the last two glacial-interglacial transitions, even though only
> > > > the most recent transition is located in the brittle zone. ...
> > >
> > > This makes it sound like the dating and the CO2 measurements are
> > > independent. Is that true? Or did the CO2 and CH4 concentration change
> > > prompt the researchers to say this looks like a glacial-interglacial
> > > transition?
> >
> > You're just making this up, right?
>
> The questions? Yep. The dating of ice cores is quite a piece of
> detective work. I'd be surprised to hear that the concentration change
> was not one of the clues.
> hesitate to share your proferred opinion on the matter.
[etc. etc.]
Reynaud just points out that these processes are independent across
interglacial transitions and between ice cores, and that even the
Greenland and Antarctic cores yield the same results.
That's compelling evidence that no process that isn't global can have
significantly corrupted the record.
Repeating the original allegations doesn't answer that criticism.
> > > > To me this reads as polemics and not as science, but I suppose one
> > > > could argue that I am prejudiced.
> > >
> > > Compare his Congressional testimony to, say, Michael Mann's.
> > > Jaworowski's assessment includes footnotes. Not so the Mann statement at
> > > www.nam.org/s_nam/bin.asp?CID=201558& DID=226975&DOC=FILE.PDF
> >
> > That's pretty silly. Do you want congressional testimony to turn into
> > who can bring along the most irrelevant citations? ...
>
> No. I can't imagine even giving your suggestion a second's
> consideration. Did you make _that_ up?
No, you did, just there, at least implicitly: "Jaworski's includes
footnotes".
Why does that matter?
> > > > Still I note that this is Jaworowski's only paper on any closely
> > > > related topic.
> > He succeeds in doing some spin, but I don't find his credentials as a
> > glaciologist compelling.
>
> LOL - were you even born when he published his 1968 paper on lead
> content in glacier ice?
Alas, I remember 1968 quite well. It's a year worth recalling, as a
matter of fact.
> But I sure don't discourage skepticism. I might
> not have mentioned it if you hadn't made the clearly erroneous claim
> that "this is Jaworowski's only paper on any closely related topic."
I didn't go as far back as '68 in the citation index. I could make the
case that it's not as closely related as all that, but I'm not one for
quibbles. I amend the statement to say at least that he has had no
recent publications related to this matter.
Most important, though, he was solidly rebutted in a major journal,
and so far as I know to date, there hasn't been a serious challenge to
that refutation. Do you know of any?
mt
charliew2
it's time for a cliche. Don't wrestle with a pig ... you get very muddy,
and it annoys the pig.
Josh Halpern <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> wrote in message
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hanson
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> Josh,
> it's time for a cliche. Don't wrestle with a pig ...
> you get very muddy, and it annoys the pig.
>
That's gauche, dude! Charlie, what's the matter with you?
Josh has killed this thread..... It's over. There is peace!
Charlie, are you trying to stir up trouble like a green turd?
Or are you flip/flopping, or have you become a turn coat,
or have geriatric memory problems beset you? ... Or do
you think that you are better and above everybody else?
Have you forgotten your own stance when you posted in
Re: The environmental curse (6) on 22 May 2004, in your
news:10b098v...@corp.supernews.com saying:
Charlie: "Josh, seek professional help. Your obsession with
Hanson has got to be some kind of fetish."
--
Charlie, you used to be a good man. What happened?
hanson