IT'S THE COLDEST WINTER IN DECADES
James
Monday February18,2008
NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world's ice-caps are melting,
it emerged last night.
Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been
premature.
It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of
global warming.
But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration show that almost all the "lost" ice has come back.
Ice levels which had shrunk from 13million sq km in January 2007 to just
four million in October, are almost back to their original levels.
Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is
usual for the time of year.
The data flies in the face of many current thinkers and will be seized on by
climate change sceptics who deny that the world is undergoing global
warming.
A photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg has become one
of the most enduring images in the campaign against climate change.
It was used by former US Vice President Al Gore during his Inconvenient
Truth lectures about mankind's impact on the world. But scientists say the
northern hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades.
They add that snow cover across the area is at its greatest since 1966.
The one exception is Western Europe, which has - until the weekend when
temperatures plunged to as low as -10C in some places - been basking in
unseasonably warm weather. The UK has reported one of its warmest winters on
record.
However, vast swathes of the world have suffered chaos because of some of
the heaviest snowfalls in decades.
Central and southern China, the USA and Canada were hit hard by snowstorms.
Even the Middle East saw snow, with Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman and northern
Saudi Arabia reporting the heaviest falls in years and below-zero
temperatures. Meanwhile, in Afghanistan snow and freezing weather killed 120
people.
In Britain the barmy February weather came to an abrupt halt at the weekend
as temperatures plunged to -10C in central England.
Experts believe that this month could end up as one of the coldest
Februaries in Britain in the past 10 years.
The freezing night-time conditions look set to stay around -8C until at
least the middle of the week.
A Met Office spokesman explained: "There has been little or no cloud cover
across England and Wales. So there is a capacity for a fair bit of heat to
be able to escape at night.
"It has been warmer in Scotland but that's because it has been cloudy there.
"Until the weekend the temperatures were in the 14s and 15s, and we will see
a return to that later this week, though it will look grey and overcast when
the clouds return."
But he added that there was little chance of snow. He said: "When the rain
comes it will get warmer."
Tom Gardner
"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote in message
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I was shocked to see on the liberal network news that the sea ice was back to
pre-global warming levels. The tide is turning in public opinion too. It won't
be as long as I thought for AGW to go the way of all fads. Damn! I had hoped
to cash in on the bonanza. I wonder what the next catastrophe will be? I'm
getting in on the ground floor for THAT one.
Enough Already
> GLOBAL WARMING? IT'S THE COLDEST WINTER IN DECADES
> Monday February18,2008
>
> NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world's ice-caps are melting,
> it emerged last night.
< James' typical propaganda rehash cut for brevity. >
It's wintertime, you lying, endless-repeater. Of course ice will
rebuild in winter, sometimes to a greater extreme than others, but it
misses the point. The degree of retreat in warmer months is what's
alarming. But you've been told that over and over again. As Dirty
Harry once said to a punk: "You don't listen, do ya, asshole?"
And who declared that author, Tony Bonnici, an expert on climate?
Judging from other articles, true crime is his real obsession.
http://www.journalisted.com/tony-bonnici
Too bad he can't see Man's crimes of neglect and apathy against the
only planet that's keeping us alive.
E.A.
http://enough_already.tripod.com/
Fresh knowledge is like Kryptonite to a "conservative."
Talk-n-Dog
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BN00Z
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On Feb 19, 8:35 pm, "James" <kingko...@iglou.com> wrote:
> GLOBAL WARMING? IT'S THE COLDEST WINTER IN DECADES
> Monday February18,2008
> NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world's ice-caps are
> melting,
> it emerged last night.
< James' typical propaganda rehash cut for brevity. >
It's wintertime, you lying, endless-repeater. Of course ice will
rebuild in winter, sometimes to a greater extreme than others, but it
misses the point. The degree of retreat in warmer months is what's
alarming. But you've been told that over and over again. As Dirty
Harry once said to a punk: "You don't listen, do ya, asshole?"
The coldest winter in DECADES for the entire northern hemisphere!
You can read can't you?
Jan 08 Northern Hemisphere Snow Cover, Largest Anomaly Since 1966
9 Feb 2008
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/09/jan08-northern-hemisphere-snow-cover-largest-since-1966/There have been a number of indications that January 2008 has been anexceptional month for winter weather in not only North America, but theentire Northern Hemisphere.We've had anecdotal evidence of odd weather in the form of wire reportsfrom Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and China where record setting cold and snowhas been felt with intensity not seen for 30-100 years, depending on theregion.From our remote sensing groups, we have reports of significant negativeanomalies in both the RSS and UAH global satellite data for the lowertroposphere. The there's NOAA's announcement that January 2008, wasbelow 20th century averages, plus news that Arctic sea ice has quicklyrecovered from the record low extent of Summer 2007. Finally, there'sthe massive La Nina said to be the driver of all this but may be aharbinger of a more permanent phase shift according to veteranforecaster Joe Bastardi.Now to add to this, we have images and reports from NOAA and RutgersUniversity of large anomalies of snow cover extent for the northernhemisphere in January 2008.First lets start with NOAA's Snow and Ice chart for January 31st, 2008Click image to see animated snow/ice cover. Java requiredNext let us look at the Rutgers Global Snow Lab map of the NorthernHemisphere for January 2008. Note the key at the bottom of the imageindicating coverage by percent.Here is how the map above breaks down by area:Northern Hemisphere: 50.13 million sq. kmEurasia: 32.30 million sq. kmNorth America: 17.83 million sq. kmAnd finally, Rutgers Global Snow Lab has an anomaly graph:January 2008 had the largest areal Northern Hemisphere snow cover forthe period of 1966-2008, just slightly larger than the previous largestanomaly of January, 1984.Here are the rankings for the top 10 months, ranked by NorthernHemisphere coverage. January 2008 comes in second to Feburary of 1978.Row Year Month N. Hemisphere Eurasia N. America N. America(no Greenland)1 1978 2 51.35 32.35 19.00 16.852 2008 1 50.13 32.30 17.83 15.673 1985 1 50.09 31.27 18.83 16.674 1979 1 49.98 31.38 18.61 16.465 1978 1 49.69 31.34 18.35 16.206 1977 1 48.84 31.24 17.61 15.467 1972 2 48.83 31.98 16.85 14.718 1985 2 48.56 30.29 18.27 16.129 2003 2 48.50 30.91 17.59 15.4310 1967 1 48.49 30.70 17.79 15.63Table above in millions of square kilometersYes, we live in interesting times.(h/t Dr. Roger Pielke, Sr.)RegardsBonzo"The notion of a static, unchanging climate is foreign to the history ofthe earth or any other planet with a fluid envelope. The fact that thedeveloped world went into hysterics over changes in global meantemperature of a few tenths of a degree will astound future generations." Richard Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology MIT and Memberof the National Academy of Sciences
chemist
You lot keep telling us that the N pole will be open water
by 2050. It won't be so if the ice keeps returning more
extensively than last winter (as it has done this year).
John M.
Don't bother them with facts, E.A. In fact I think it is better not to
even rattle the bars of their caged minds. You know, I know, and
pretty well the whole world can know the truth about the N. Polar sea
ice, thanks to:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
Ps. If you are a convinced sceptic and entrenched denialist, DON'T
click on this link. You are likely to become apoplectic and risk
myocardial infarction. It contains real up-to-the-minute data on the
Arctic Ocean.
V-for-Vendicar
"BN00Z" <BN...@dood.com.au> wrote
> The coldest winter in DECADES for the entire northern hemisphere!
> You can read can't you?
Asia: Global warming thaws permafrost in Siberia
02/14/2008
THE ASAHI SHIMBUN
Permafrost in Siberia in the Russian Far East is thawing at an alarming pace
because of global warming, a Japanese government-affiliated research
institute said recently.
In some areas, the depth of the melted permafrost has become double that of
around 2000, said officials of the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and
Technology (JAMSTEC).
The thaw is causing the expansion of lakes and marshes, the rise in water
levels of rivers and cave-ins of roads, they added.
Permafrost contains methane, one of the greenhouse gases. If the permafrost
melts, the gas is released into the air, further promoting global warming.
JAMSTEC, based in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, along with Russian
organizations, has set up an observation center in Yakutsk, capital of Sakha
Republic, to survey the melting of permafrost in Siberia.
The researchers have analyzed the survey results along with climate
observation data of Russia.
According to the analysis, the annual average of ground temperatures at the
depth of 1.2 meters from the Earth's surface stood at minus 2.4 degrees in
the period from 1998 to 2004. However, it rose to minus 1.4 degrees in 2005,
and further rose to minus 0.4 degrees in 2006.
The average annual ground temperatures in three different locations in
eastern Siberia have also risen sharply since 2005, marking the highest
level on record since the survey was conducted there for the first time in
1960.
Meanwhile, the depth of permafrost that melted in Yakutsk in summer was
about 1 meter around 2000. However, it exceeded 2 meters in 2006 and 2007.
In surrounding areas, the sizes of lakes and marshes that appeared on the
places where permafrost melted in 2007 were about 3.5 times larger than
those in 2000.
In addition to the rise in air temperatures, which is led by global warming,
increases in the amounts of rain and snow are also believed to be
accelerating the melting of permafrost.
Rain thaws permafrost while snow makes it difficult for the ground to grow
colder.(IHT/Asahi: February 14,2008)
Lloyd
> "Enough Already" <enough_alre...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:38c24db9-58bf-475f...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 19, 8:35 pm, "James" <kingko...@iglou.com> wrote:> GLOBAL WARMING? IT'S THE COLDEST WINTER IN DECADES
> > Monday February18,2008
> > NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world's ice-caps are
> > melting,
> > it emerged last night.
>
> < James' typical propaganda rehash cut for brevity. >
> It's wintertime, you lying, endless-repeater. Of course ice will
> rebuild in winter, sometimes to a greater extreme than others, but it
> misses the point. The degree of retreat in warmer months is what's
> alarming. But you've been told that over and over again. As Dirty
> Harry once said to a punk: "You don't listen, do ya, asshole?"
> *****************************************
>
> The coldest winter in DECADES for the entire northern hemisphere!
> You can read can't you?
>
> Jan 08 Northern Hemisphere Snow Cover, Largest Anomaly Since 1966
>
> 9 Feb 2008
>
You mean this?
"The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for January
was the 31st warmest on record, 0.32°F/0.18°C above the 20th century
mean."
Ouroboros_Rex
> Monday February18,2008
>
> NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world's ice-caps are
> melting,
> it emerged last night.
>
> Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have
> been
> premature.
>
> It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of
> global warming.
>
> But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric
> Administration show that almost all the "lost" ice has come back.
Simply a lie.
Earl Evleth
<i...@casual.com> wrote:
>> But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric
>> Administration show that almost all the "lost" ice has come back.
>
> Simply a lie.
The data published by http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
does not show an "almost".
The peak point, shown daily at this academic site
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg
and the "return" is not above that of last year and, moreover
is below the historical records of the past few yeare
see
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seasonal.extent.1900-2007.jpg
So the claim that "almost all the "lost" ice has come back." is a typical
disinformation some people practice. It always comes back in the winter
but recently a little bit less each year.
More importantly the winter ice is thin and easily removed in the summer.
Ice mass is decreasing.
John M.
> On 20/02/08 17:56, in article fphm31$dh...@news.ks.uiuc.edu, "Ouroboros_Rex"
>
> <i...@casual.com> wrote:
> >> But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric
> >> Administration show that almost all the "lost" ice has come back.
>
> > Simply a lie.
>
>
> does not show an "almost".
>
> and the "return" is not above that of last year and, moreover
> is below the historical records of the past few yeare
>
>
> So the claim that "almost all the "lost" ice has come back." is a typical
> disinformation some people practice. It always comes back in the winter
> but recently a little bit less each year.
>
> More importantly the winter ice is thin and easily removed in the summer.
> Ice mass is decreasing.
That latter is a good point, Earl. The data on ice cover can be quite
misleading. Here in the Languedoc (300 m up in the Motagne Noire) we
now rarely get night frost. But whether it's -2 or -8 the surface of a
water-filled bucket gets a total ice cover. At -8 the bucket is frozen
solid; at -2 I can poke a hole with my finger.
Tom P
> GLOBAL WARMING? IT'S THE COLDEST WINTER IN DECADES
> Monday February18,2008
Not here in Germany
>
> The freezing night-time conditions look set to stay around -8C until at
> least the middle of the week.
>
> A Met Office spokesman explained: "There has been little or no cloud cover
> across England and Wales. So there is a capacity for a fair bit of heat to
> be able to escape at night.
>
Exactly.
> "It has been warmer in Scotland but that's because it has been cloudy there.
>
> "Until the weekend the temperatures were in the 14s and 15s, and we will see
> a return to that later this week, though it will look grey and overcast when
> the clouds return."
>
> But he added that there was little chance of snow. He said: "When the rain
> comes it will get warmer."
>
Need we say more?
Whata Fool
>see
>http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seasonal.extent.1900-2007.jpg
>
>So the claim that "almost all the "lost" ice has come back." is a typical
>disinformation some people practice. It always comes back in the winter
>but recently a little bit less each year.
You seem to write English ok, so why didn't you understand
that graph ends at the end of 2005?
Also, you cherry picked the images, most show an anomaly
above the 1979-2007 mean;
THIS IS 2008 !!!
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/recent365.anom.region.10.html
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/recent365.anom.region.11.html
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/recent365.anom.region.12.html
John M.
> Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> >see
>
> >So the claim that "almost all the "lost" ice has come back." is a typical
> >disinformation some people practice. It always comes back in the winter
> >but recently a little bit less each year.
>
> You seem to write English ok, so why didn't you understand
> that graph ends at the end of 2005?
He seems to have paid attention to his English lessons at school all
right, but you were obviously dozing off - like fools generally do -
when the teacher was covering the basics of reading graphs.
> Also, you cherry picked the images, most show an anomaly
> above the 1979-2007 mean;
>
> THIS IS 2008 !!!
All the 2008 data is in the graphs - except for February, March,
April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November,
December. The challenge for a fool is to work out why that is.
>
> http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/recent365.anom.region....
>
> http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/recent365.anom.region....
>
> http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/recent365.anom.region....