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[AM]

Why does China get a free pass here from the AGW believers ?

All you people do is fawn all over China for saying they will do great
things yet people here rarely ever mention how bad the pollution is even
tho it's in the news from time to time. Here silence from the believers
is all I see.

They are the worlds BIGGEST PRODUCER of Co2.

They use more coal than anyone else

They build more coal fired power plants than anyone else.

Why is no one trying to get China to do anything about it ?

If Co2 is really that big of a problem, than WHY is no one going after
the worlds biggest emitter of it ?

We are told over and over again that the US has to stop using coal, yet
no one says that about China, WHY ?

You all seem focused on the USA and literally no one else it seems.


Why is no one at the un, or ipcc calling them out for it and why is no
one trying to get them to change ?


IS it because you lovers of red flags and socialism/communism LOVE the
way they run their country ? (top down central control of economy and
personal freedom)


ANYONE have an honest answer ?

[gordo]

Yes I have an answer. You are full of crap.Negotiations between
nations are on going . When China makes improvement,and it is
noticed,you come out with really stupid things,such as :IS it because

you lovers of red flags and socialism/communism LOVE the way they run
their country ? (top down central control of economy and

personal freedom)".

China is not a socialist country.Much of Europe is socialist.You have
no idea of what the IPCC does,do you?
>

[James]

"AM" <sct...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:zPidnbSaPqoY2wfM...@giganews.com

The US is probably the only country who has reduced their co2 emissions
more than all those Kyoto blatherers who never have met a target. The US
air is definitely cleaner but the self appointed world savers want their
money so they will never stop harping and trying to goad the US into
drinking the Kool Aid. They leave China alone except from afar through
the UN. Too dangerous for Hansen trying to make headlines in Beijing
demonstrations against coal.

[columbiaaccidentinvestigation]

Your right wing nuts promoted free trade, you all stated that making
stronger ties to countries we dont necessarily agree with, will help
us bridge the gap. Plus I remember nixon visiting china, why are you
conservatives so short sighted?

[SunDancer]

gordo wrote :

> China is not a socialist country.Much of Europe is socialist.

Priceless...

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(No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. However,
a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.)

[gordo]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:59:17 -0400, "James" <king...@fewpb.net>
wrote:

You actually posted this James?"The US is probably the only country

who has reduced their co2 emissions more than all those Kyoto
blatherers who never have met a target".

The US is doing better in reducing their CO2 emissions than Canada
has, that is not saying a hell of a lot." The US is still number one
in terms of per capita emissions among the big economies - with 18
tonnes emitted per person"

Here is a good site that looks at the world.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/31/world-carbon-dioxide-emissions-country-data-co2


There are other sites that are reliable.So if this site does not meet
your approval point us to another site. In the meantime, forget the
flag waving for the US and produce data.

[erschro...@gmail.com]

On May 20, 10:59 pm, "James" <kingk...@fewpb.net> wrote:
> "AM" <sctu...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> > Why does China get a free pass here from the AGW believers ?
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> > All you people do is fawn all over China for saying they will do great
> > things yet people here rarely ever mention how bad the pollution is
> > even tho it's in the news from time to time. Here silence from the
> > believers is all I see.
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> > They are the worlds BIGGEST PRODUCER of Co2.
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> > They use more coal than anyone else
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> > They build more coal fired power plants than anyone else.
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> > Why is no one trying to get China to do anything about it ?
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> > If Co2 is really that big of a problem, than WHY is no one going after
> > the worlds biggest emitter of it ?
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> > We are told over and over again that the US has to stop using coal,
> > yet no one says that about China, WHY ?
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> > You all seem focused on the USA and literally no one else it seems.
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> > Why is no one at the un, or ipcc calling them out for it and why is no
> > one trying to get them to change ?
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> > IS it because you lovers of red flags and socialism/communism LOVE the
> > way they run their country ? (top down central control of economy and
> > personal freedom)
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> > ANYONE have an honest answer ?
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> The US is probably the only country who has reduced their co2 emissions

For 3 reasons:

1. The economic recession (which is now hitting China)
2. The low price of natural gas
3. Government regulations on coal

[AM]

You STILL did not answer or address the original question, Why not ?

Again, WHY is noo ne trying to get China to do anything about so AGW ?

WHY don't YOU ?

Well ?

[josephus]

why dont you do something. I have data for NOAA and others that
all agree You ask questions that have NASTY ANSWERS. the fact is the
temperature is going up even if the CO2 and GHGs are zero. the real
damage is already done.


this is the CENTROID for all of the NOAA temperature record. the
structure of this CENTROID indicates the TREND IS UPWARD,
historically and currently.

josephus

The data is *
-0.0023306| 0.0012929| 0.0049165|
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2013 39 | . * |

2011 39 | . * |

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1897 5 | * . |

1895 1 | * . |

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--
I go sailing in the summer
and look at stars in the winter
Its not what you know that gets you in trouble
Its what you know that aint so. -- Josh Billings

[James]

"gordo" <grme...@shaw.ca.remove> wrote in message
news:rkamp8dg8c2i4dtpj...@4ax.com

> On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:59:17 -0400, "James" <king...@fewpb.net>
> wrote:
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>>> ANYONE have an honest answer ?
>>
>> The US is probably the only country who has reduced their co2
>> emissions more than all those Kyoto blatherers who never have met a
>> target. The US air is definitely cleaner but the self appointed
>> world savers want their money so they will never stop harping and
>> trying to goad the US into drinking the Kool Aid. They leave China
>> alone except from afar through the UN. Too dangerous for Hansen
>> trying to make headlines in Beijing demonstrations against coal.
>
> You actually posted this James?"The US is probably the only country
> who has reduced their co2 emissions more than all those Kyoto
> blatherers who never have met a target".
>
> The US is doing better in reducing their CO2 emissions than Canada
> has, that is not saying a hell of a lot." The US is still number one
> in terms of per capita emissions among the big economies - with 18
> tonnes emitted per person"
>

Per capita sucks. I doubt you even know what it means. Move all the
Chinese here and watch per capita plummet. It's the area which counts
and how many people it affects. Not how many you assign to the total
emissions.

[emoneyjoe]

Lets emit more, and throw in some sulphur,
and all the alarmists can relax.

[gordo]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:56:04 -0400, "James" <king...@fewpb.net>
wrote:

It all counts James.You contribute far more to the world's CO2 levels
than the average Chinese person does.So do I.

I want a world where we can all enjoy the benefits of our new
technology without destroying the future generations chances.

[AM]

On 5/21/2013 4:36 AM, SunDancer wrote:
> gordo wrote :
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>> China is not a socialist country.Much of Europe is socialist.
>
> Priceless...
>

So what gordo is really saying is that he prefers communism to socialism.


From what I can tell, 97% of those who believe in so called man made GW
love communism to !

[RedAcer]

China is a capitalist country run by an oligarchy.

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[SunDancer]

RedAcer wrote :

Even more priceless...

[AM]

On 5/22/2013 11:15 AM, SunDancer wrote:
> RedAcer wrote :
>> On 22/05/13 15:16, AM wrote:
>>> On 5/21/2013 4:36 AM, SunDancer wrote:
>>>> gordo wrote :
>>>>
>>>>> China is not a socialist country.Much of Europe is socialist.
>>>>
>>>> Priceless...
>>>>
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>>> So what gordo is really saying is that he prefers communism to
>>> socialism.
>>>
>>>
>>> From what I can tell, 97% of those who believe in so called man made GW
>>> love communism to !
>>
>> China is a capitalist country run by an oligarchy.
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> Even more priceless...
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You just can't make this stuff up !

Just like I said, these pro AGW people LOVE Communist China !!!

[Tunderbar]

On May 20, 10:51 am, AM <sctu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Why does China get a free pass here from the AGW believers ?

Comrades back up Comrades.

[emoneyjoe]

BS, it is a clique dictatorship, just like
any socialist/communist government.

They have to be secretly subsidizing
the raw material and energy sectors to
be able to sell things for less than I can
buy the raw materials here.

[AM]

On 5/22/2013 11:47 AM, Tunderbar wrote:
> On May 20, 10:51 am, AM <sctu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Why does China get a free pass here from the AGW believers ?
>
> Comrades back up Comrades.
>

Apparently so !

I can't believe all those AGW supporters who LOVE communism !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PydgbzsmFfQ


And these are the people climate scientist have convinced ? Wonderful.......

[Tunderbar]

On May 22, 11:01 am, AM <sctu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/22/2013 11:47 AM, Tunderbar wrote:
>
> > On May 20, 10:51 am, AM <sctu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Why does China get a free pass here from the AGW believers ?
>
> > Comrades back up Comrades.
>
> Apparently so !
>
> I can't believe all those AGW supporters who LOVE communism !
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PydgbzsmFfQ
>
> And these are the people climate scientist have convinced ? Wonderful.......

The Bro code for Lefty Loonies.

[RedAcer]

Why do you think China is a communist country.?

They have private companies, stock markets. Multinationals spreading
round the world. A huge number of millionaires and billionaires. There
is a huge disparity in wealth between the rich and the poor and between
cities and countries.
People are free to come and go.
They are *not* a democracy and they don't have many of the human rights
that some western countries have. They also have less people in jail
compared to the USA(that's absolute, not pro rata).
Their government calls itself a 'communist' government, but what does
that mean? It's just a fig leaf. Compare them to China under Mao or to
Cuba. Power is exercised by a small class of people and carefully
controlled and passed on - It looks like an oligarchy to me.

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[James]

"gordo" <grme...@shaw.ca.remove> wrote in message

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No. You just want to argue. It's a statistic that means nothing. If you
divide your household into emissions from the world, you would be solely
responsible for it. You're as big a fraud as the IPCC.

[RedAcer]

On 22/05/13 16:57, emoneyjoe wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:21:38 +0100, RedAcer <rred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 22/05/13 15:16, AM wrote:
>>> On 5/21/2013 4:36 AM, SunDancer wrote:
>>>> gordo wrote :
>>>>
>>>>> China is not a socialist country.Much of Europe is socialist.
>>>>
>>>> Priceless...
>>>>
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>>> So what gordo is really saying is that he prefers communism to socialism.
>>>
>>>
>>> From what I can tell, 97% of those who believe in so called man made GW
>>> love communism to !
>>
>> China is a capitalist country run by an oligarchy.
>
> BS, it is a clique dictatorship, just like
> any socialist/communist government.

Are American? Do you watch Fox news?

>
> They have to be secretly subsidizing
> the raw material and energy sectors to

It's well known that they subsidise. They can't be doing much otherwise
how is it that they make huge profits and have had a ~10% growth rate
for ~25 years.

> be able to sell things for less than I can
> buy the raw materials here.

All countries subsidise things. Look at the USA subsidising the farming
sector and Steel.


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[RedAcer]

On 22/05/13 16:41, AM wrote:

I found a better answer than mine on Yahoo

"Officially, China is still labeled by the West as a communist country.
But in reality, it is different than that. The present day communist
China is totally different from what it was 30 to 50 years ago (during
the leadership of Mao Tse Tung). In political textbooks, Communism is
defined as a form of government where the very way of life of an
individual living in such a communist state is based on everything
common to all people within the state (hence the word commune, where the
word communism had its root). This means common dwelling, schools, food,
medical care, transportation, etc.. In essence, everything is owned by
the state and there is no such thing as private property or private
ownership. The farm that you till belongs to the state, the cattle that
you raise belong to the state, the goods you produce belong to the
state, the house where you live belongs to the state, etc.. You, as a
person have no right to own anything for yourself, as everything belongs
to the state. Clearly this is a very restrictive, reclusive, and
oppressive society. This is what China was 30 to 50 years ago.
The present day China is not like that anymore. Now, people can buy and
own houses, cars, DVDs, computers, jewelries, fancy clothes, etc.. They
are now allowed to travel anywhere, study or travel abroad if they can
afford it. They can start and operate their own business enterprises and
keep the profits from it, although the exception to this are major
public utility enterprises like power generation, transportation,
telecommunication, which are still state-owned enterprises (or
semi-government, with private entities owning parts of these enterprises).
So in reality, China nowadays is a capitalist-driven economy. Its people
don't refer to themselves as communists anymore, but as private Chinese
citizens. Most of the West however, is still accustomed to the old way
of referring to China and its people as Communist (which always comes
with the negative connotation associated with that word)."

[gordo]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:16:26 -0400, AM <sct...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 5/21/2013 4:36 AM, SunDancer wrote:
>> gordo wrote :
>>
>>> China is not a socialist country.Much of Europe is socialist.
>>
>> Priceless...
>>
>
>
>So what gordo is really saying is that he prefers communism to socialism.

Don't be silly.I stated a fact. China is no longer a communist
state.It is a free market dictatorship. I prefer socialism.

>
>
> From what I can tell, 97% of those who believe in so called man made GW
>love communism to !

You are a bit of a nut aren't you.

[emoneyjoe]

You have the wrong idea about US subsidies,
they pay farmers not to plant in order to avoid
over-supply, not to control price.

Steel is a critical war material, it has to
be kept viable, we can't depend on imported
steel.
The government has warehouses full
of other critical war materials that are
easier to use in manufacturing, there is
too many types of steel and no way
to know which one will be needed, so
not much is stocked like everything
else is, even industrial diamonds and
morphine.

[emoneyjoe]

It is more efficient to allow individual freedom
as long as it doesn't threaten the state.

Communism always was about willing
cooperation by all, so any way they can
achieve that, they will.

You lefties are gullible.

[RedAcer]

You clearly know nothing about the history of communism.
Do you think there was much willing cooperation under Stalin, Mao or in
Cuba?

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> You lefties are gullible.

You don't know what more politics are. I am *not* a fan of China, but
that doesnt mean it's a communist country.

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[emoneyjoe]

Communism is an ideology, not a form
of government, China isn't much different
than Germany in WWII, if it calls itself
communist, it is communist, the same
as Russia.

Cuba is different in that it has no
industry to be much of anything.

>> You lefties are gullible.
>
>You don't know what more politics are. I am *not* a fan of China, but
>that doesnt mean it's a communist country.

It is a dictatorship run by a communist clique,
is there some reason other than gullibility that
causes you to claim otherwise?

Both China and Russia have taken wealth
away for political reasons, anybody that goes
there should be wary of their risk.

[Dawlish]

nutbars actually believe stuff like this. It's bizarre, but they do.

[gordo]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:01:48 -0400, AM <sct...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 5/22/2013 11:47 AM, Tunderbar wrote:
>> On May 20, 10:51 am, AM <sctu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Why does China get a free pass here from the AGW believers ?
>>
>> Comrades back up Comrades.
>>
>
>
>
>Apparently so !
>
>I can't believe all those AGW supporters who LOVE communism !

Only nut cases support AGW.
I am a socialist and do not support communism.China is not communist
and certainly not socialist.

>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PydgbzsmFfQ
>
>
>And these are the people climate scientist have convinced ? Wonderful.......
>
>
>
>>>
>>> All you people do is fawn all over China for saying they will do great
>>> things yet people here rarely ever mention how bad the pollution is even
>>> tho it's in the news from time to time. Here silence from the believers
>>> is all I see.
>>>
>>> They are the worlds BIGGEST PRODUCER of Co2.
>>>
>>> They use more coal than anyone else
>>>
>>> They build more coal fired power plants than anyone else.
>>>
>>> Why is no one trying to get China to do anything about it ?
>>>
>>> If Co2 is really that big of a problem, than WHY is no one going after
>>> the worlds biggest emitter of it ?
>>>
>>> We are told over and over again that the US has to stop using coal, yet
>>> no one says that about China, WHY ?
>>>
>>> You all seem focused on the USA and literally no one else it seems.
>>>
>>> Why is no one at the un, or ipcc calling them out for it and why is no
>>> one trying to get them to change ?
>>>
>>> IS it because you lovers of red flags and socialism/communism LOVE the
>>> way they run their country ? (top down central control of economy and
>>> personal freedom)
>>>
>>> ANYONE have an honest answer ?

You can now travel to China much easier now. Why don't you go and tell
them?

[erschro...@gmail.com]

On May 21, 6:27 pm, AM <sctu...@comcast.net> wrote:

1. Most of the CO2 in the atmosphere was put there by the US and the
western world.
2. The US still puts out more CO2 per capita.
3. We here in the US can't influence Chin's policy, but we might
influence the US's.
4. At least half the Chinese gov't isn't denying GW exists.

[Tom P]

On 05/20/2013 05:51 PM, AM wrote:
>
> Why does China get a free pass here from the AGW believers ?
>
> All you people do is fawn all over China for saying they will do great
> things yet people here rarely ever mention how bad the pollution is even
> tho it's in the news from time to time. Here silence from the believers
> is all I see.
>
> They are the worlds BIGGEST PRODUCER of Co2.
>
> They use more coal than anyone else
>
> They build more coal fired power plants than anyone else.
>
> Why is no one trying to get China to do anything about it ?
>
> If Co2 is really that big of a problem, than WHY is no one going after
> the worlds biggest emitter of it ?
>
> We are told over and over again that the US has to stop using coal, yet
> no one says that about China, WHY ?
>
> You all seem focused on the USA and literally no one else it seems.
>
>
> Why is no one at the un, or ipcc calling them out for it and why is no
> one trying to get them to change ?
>
>
> IS it because you lovers of red flags and socialism/communism LOVE the
> way they run their country ? (top down central control of economy and
> personal freedom)
>
>
> ANYONE have an honest answer ?
>
>

It's very simple AM, just vote in the next Chinese election for the
party of your choice.
What do you mean, you can't vote? And there is no party of your choice?

[emoneyjoe]

"While universal franchise is guaranteed in principle by the
Constitution, in practice the Communist Party of China maintains full
control of the entire electoral process. In practice, only members of
the Communist Party of China, eight allied parties, and sympathetic
independent candidates are ever elected in any election beyond the local
village level."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China


I am beginning to think there are AGW people
who would like to live in China.

[Unum]

So its exactly as Tom said.

> I am beginning to think there are AGW people
> who would like to live in China.

Yeah but you drool into your cereal.

[emoneyjoe]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:35:22 -0500, Unum <non...@yourbusiness.com>
wrote:

At my age, I'm allowed to drool, but
I don't eat cereal.

Only members of the Party are ever
elected to national office, how does that
work, do they have a way to dissuade a
person from running?

[Babs Caltrane]

On 22/05/2013 2:22 PM, erschro...@gmail.com wrote:

Here we have some serious insight into the mentality of disgruntled
Marxists everywhere, in the aftermath of the collapse of the quest for
global communism. Thank-you, Scrotie. Allow me to translate:

> 1. Most of the CO2 in the atmosphere was put there by the US and the
> western world.

Where emissions come from is the issue, rather than emissions themselves.

> 2. The US still puts out more CO2 per capita.

People in the US are still too well-off. They need to experience far
more economic downturn than they already have. Everyone ought to have a
carbon footprint similar to the hundreds of millions of rural peasants
in India and Communist China. Except for Mr. Scrotie, and limousine
liberals everywhere, of course.

> 3. We here in the US can't influence Chin's policy, but we might
> influence the US's.

Americans must outsource your jobs to dirty coal-powered factories in
Communist China. Americans must import their manufactured goods. After
all they are dirt cheap; and all Americans can afford these days is cheap.

> 4. At least half the Chinese gov't isn't denying GW exists.

A dictatorship doesn't permit dissent. And that's the way Scrotie likes it.

[Dawlish]

"AGW" people?? 1.2billion people like living in China. I like the UK. tundy likes tundyworld. You and yours like the stupid seats. You have friends there.

You probably do drool into your cereal. There is mental illness in your approach.

[gordo]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 00:09:15 -0700 (PDT), Dawlish <pjg...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Tundy lives in Winnipeg. It is a wonderful city.It has a great museum
and a first class university. I was in a conference at the University
of Manitoba,quite a few years ago. Tundy knows more about the
republican party in the US than he does about Manitoba. Manitoba has a
socialist government and a zoo,with a real polar bear. They also have
an education centre there,where Tundy could learn about polar bears.

Tundy was also,according to him,a paid person,working for the NDP
socialist party.He was also involved with a conservation project and
something happened to him. Maybe he got hit with a rock, but something
must account for his mental illness.

[Dawlish]

Maybe; but there is certainly mental illness pervading these people. No-one can look at the facts and warp them to such a different schema without something not going well in their minds.

[Eric�]

gordo wrote...

Sounds like you are stalking Tundy, gordo.

[Dawlish]

This is the same tundy you are talking about as posts here, isn't it? The one who stalked me and exposed me as a plumber working in Falmouth, isn't it?

[Desertphile]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:51:21 -0400, AM <sct...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Why does China get a free pass here from the AGW believers ?

What the bloody fuck is "AGW believers?"


--
"God wanted me to be in bed with the maid."