EU Commissioner urges U.S. climate change rethink
Roger Coppock
on global warming in the foreign press on the net.
In my own country, The United States of America,
a few large corporations own most of the media,
and they supress stories on global warming like
this one.
-.-. --.- Roger
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
EU Commissioner urges U.S. climate change rethink
10 Sep 2005 21:32:09 GMT
Source: Reuters
LONDON, Sept 10 (Reuters) - U.S. climate change policy is not
succeeding in lowering greenhouse gas emissions, the EU's environment
chief said on Saturday.
European Union Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas said although he
did not think specific disasters like hurricane Katrina could be linked
to climate change, he thought the storm would make America think more
closely about its environmental stewardship.
He said the EU approach to climate change -- signing up to a cap on
carbon dioxide output and allocating emission rights through a market
-- was lowering emissions, whereas U.S. emissions were rising.
"They claim that they have a different approach to climate change,"
Dimas said of the United States.
"The fact is that their approach and our approach have different
results. We are cutting our greenhouse gas emissions ... while the
Americans are increasing their greenhouse gas emissions," he told
reporters.
[ . . . ]
The rest of this article:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L10445306.htm
owl
wrote:
Silly article. U.S. position only changed recently (the APPCD
volunteer doesn't impress me, but it is a change). The criticism is
out of sync, and maybe be a pump primer for a blame game after the
Montreal Conference (in October?).
The EU signatories to Kyoto shouldn't be trying to brag about lowering
emissions right now - they're grapplying with marginal rises and the
forecast that most will miss theor 2012 targets.
http://www.foeeurope.org/press/2005/JK_21_June_emissions_data.htm
hanson
news:1126414294.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> I'm glad that there is an Internet. I can find articles
> on global warming in the foreign press on the net.
> In my own country, The United States of America,
> a few large corporations own most of the media,
> and they supress stories on global warming like
> this one.
>
[hanson]
Roge, you also suppress that you are a green pus-brain who
is mainly hot under his own collar about a naturally occurring
event... because even if (IF!!!) people were to cause GW
is still a natural phenomenon, cuz:
a) Humans are part of the environment like everything else.
b) Humans are here for/thru/by/cuz' of 2 reasons we do
know of empirically:
To procreate AND TO CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENT... which
is BUILT INTO their genes and hence it is their MO, and this is
the same and not any different from/for any other life form.
Naturally pinko greenies have already adapted to these changes
and accelerate them by having cashed in on it under various
phony guises as can be seen in
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
Class (1)
Green shit(s): ...are the ones who advocate, promote,
support, legalize, institute and extort the permit charges,
the user fees, the enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax,
all reflected in HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!,
and being responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
Class (2)
Green turd(s):... are the ones who are recipients and
beneficiaries from the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
Class (3)
Little green idiot(s):.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones
who think they do something for the "environment", when in
fact they are only the enablers and facilitators for (2) who
are harvesting the green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
Moral of the story:
=== Global warming is a hype to make money from ===
== The GW hype is the fault of environmentalists! ==
ahahaha... ahahahanson
W. D. Allen Sr.
gas
emissions, the EU's environment chief said on Saturday...."
Neither has the EU!!!
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NobodyYouKnow
> "...U.S. climate change policy is not succeeding in lowering
> greenhouse gas emissions, the EU's environment chief said
> on Saturday...."
True. U.S. emissions have steadily increased without pause.
> Neither has the EU!!!
Lie. EU emisisons have declined though some say 'not enough'. That is NOT
the same as not being lowered.
Captain Compassion
wrote:
>I'm glad that there is an Internet. I can find articles
Did this article point out that all the major signatories of Kyoto in
Europe are failing to meet their emission quotas?
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
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owl
<TheVoice...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>W. D. Allen Sr. wrote:
>> "...U.S. climate change policy is not succeeding in lowering
>> greenhouse gas emissions, the EU's environment chief said
>> on Saturday...."
>
>True. U.S. emissions have steadily increased without pause.
>
>> Neither has the EU!!!
>
>Lie. EU emisisons have declined though some say 'not enough'. That is NOT
>the same as not being lowered.
Wrong again, Scarecrow.
Already posted the link to the upturns of 02 and 03.
http://www.foeeurope.org/press/2005/JK_21_June_emissions_data.htm
"Dramatic rise in EU emissions - New data shows: European
governments are failing badly to face up to the challenge of global
warming
Brussels, 21 June 2005: Friends of the Earth Europe called on EU
governments to drastically increase their efforts to combat global
warming by reducing domestic greenhouse gas emissions, as shocking new
data released today by the European Commission shows a dramatic
increase in emissions. In 2003, EU-15 emissions were only 1.7% below
1990 levels, while Kyoto requires to achieve minus 8%. Almost half of
the emission savings achieved until 2002 have been lost in 2003. [1]
Even if links are problem, you could quit with the lazyboy responses
and look things up for the latest news:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1562766,00.html
"Britain is burning so much oil, gas and coal it may miss its
international target to reduce global warming gases, according to
government figures which show carbon dioxide emissions rising by 2.5%
in the first six months of this year."
And Britain is doing better than most, if not all ...
Y'know if you actually read responses before you tap-danced on your
own tongue, you might even create the impression you didn't need to
see the Wizard. Maybe.
NobodyYouKnow
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:49:16 -0400, "NobodyYouKnow"
> <TheVoice...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> W. D. Allen Sr. wrote:
>>> "...U.S. climate change policy is not succeeding in lowering
>>> greenhouse gas emissions, the EU's environment chief said
>>> on Saturday...."
>>
>> True. U.S. emissions have steadily increased without pause.
>>
>>> Neither has the EU!!!
>>
>> Lie. EU emisisons have declined though some say 'not enough'. That
>> is NOT the same as not being lowered.
>
> Wrong again, Scarecrow.
Still being an ass, owl? I didn't say that they had lowered emisions every
year. Only that they had lowered emissions over the period, a thing the U.S.
has NOT done.
Using red herring diversions and deliberate confusion about what is being
said is gettting to be a habit with you.
d...@dan.com
news:miWUe.948$LS5...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Do they have schools where you live?
owl
Your redefinition drivel smells.
hanson
news:EeKdnXaTa63...@comcast.com...
that he was a fanatical class 3 enviro .... AHAHAHAHA....
who got brainwashed by his GREEN SCHOOL... ahahaha...
> Do they have schools where you live?
>
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... so you cranked yourself like
all little green idiots do... ahahahaha... because it's
heresy to say anything against your green bible that
brainwashed you and told you to proselytize that
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
ahahaha... ahahahanson
d...@dan.com
I'll take that as a no.
Lloyd Parker
owl <o...@moonlite.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:49:16 -0400, "NobodyYouKnow"
><TheVoice...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>W. D. Allen Sr. wrote:
>>> "...U.S. climate change policy is not succeeding in lowering
>>> greenhouse gas emissions, the EU's environment chief said
>>> on Saturday...."
>>
>>True. U.S. emissions have steadily increased without pause.
>>
>>> Neither has the EU!!!
>>
>>Lie. EU emisisons have declined though some say 'not enough'. That is NOT
>>the same as not being lowered.
>
>Wrong again, Scarecrow.
>
>Already posted the link to the upturns of 02 and 03.
>
>http://www.foeeurope.org/press/2005/JK_21_June_emissions_data.htm
>
>"Dramatic rise in EU emissions - New data shows: European
>governments are failing badly to face up to the challenge of global
>warming
>
>Brussels, 21 June 2005: Friends of the Earth Europe called on EU
>governments to drastically increase their efforts to combat global
>warming by reducing domestic greenhouse gas emissions, as shocking new
>data released today by the European Commission shows a dramatic
>increase in emissions. In 2003, EU-15 emissions were only 1.7% below
>1990 levels,
Uh, 1.7% below IS a reduction, as others have pointed out.
hanson
the _D_umber_A_nd_N_itwittier <d...@dan.com> who agreed
in news:HKadnTyOuaZ...@comcast.com... that
you've eclipsed _D_umb_A_nd_N_itwit <d...@dan.com> in
news:EeKdnXaTa63...@comcast.com... 'cuz you
were already a fanatical class 3 enviro who got brainwashed
by your very own GREEN SCHOOL [== A ==, see below] so
thoroughly that you wondered whether there are other schools.
There's hope for ya yet ... AHAHAHA... .. well, maybe... ahaha...
>>>
>>>
Rouge Poppcock aka "Roger Coppock" said:
...large corporations .. supress stories on global warming
all little green idiots do... ahahahaha... because it's
heresy to say anything against your green bible that
brainwashed you and told you to proselytize that
>>
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
ahahaha... ahahahanson
>
>
> I'll take that as a no.
>
>
ahahaha... AHAHA... so, you answer your own question, a
classical hall mark of all little green idiots.... ahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, you fat and wilting blossom of Gaia.
ahahaha... ahahanson
owl
wrote:
tap, tap. The claim is about EU rising or lowering. The 1.7% net
decrease at YE2003 is only for poster-boy Britain. EU emissions as a
whole for 2003 were up 1.5%.
http://reports.eea.eu.int/technical_report_2005_4/en
The bigger issue with your reply is trying to make it true now because
it was true somewhere in the past - that's the stuff the Anti's use.
The big reductions were in the 90s (at least for Brtain). The
reductions in 2001and 2002 were due mostly to warm weathers. The
trend didn't continue. They have risen since then and are rising now:
" ... government figures which show carbon dioxide emissions rising by
2.5% in the first six months of this year (2005)." (quote repeated so
you might read it, from link below)
Did you even bother to read the whole post and click the link below
before you tweezered your response out? It's the one titled "CO2 rise
threatens Britain's hope of meeting Kyoto target."
" ... emissions of the main greenhouse gas have risen by 5.5% since
1997, when they should be reducing by 1% a year." (same link below)
And now the carbon release from land-use change is putting the outflow
way over the top.
"England's soils have been losing carbon at the rate of four million
tonnes a year for the past 25 years - losses which will accelerate
global warming and which have already offset all the cuts in Britain's
industrial carbon emissions between 1990 and 2002, scientists warn
today."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1565049,00.html
Lloyd Parker
I think we were talking about compared to 1990, not to 2002 or some such.
>
> http://reports.eea.eu.int/technical_report_2005_4/en
>
>The bigger issue with your reply is trying to make it true now because
>it was true somewhere in the past - that's the stuff the Anti's use.
>
>The big reductions were in the 90s (at least for Brtain). The
>reductions in 2001and 2002 were due mostly to warm weathers. The
>trend didn't continue. They have risen since then and are rising now:
>" ... government figures which show carbon dioxide emissions rising by
>2.5% in the first six months of this year (2005)." (quote repeated so
>you might read it, from link below)
>
>Did you even bother to read the whole post and click the link below
>before you tweezered your response out? It's the one titled "CO2 rise
>threatens Britain's hope of meeting Kyoto target."
>
>" ... emissions of the main greenhouse gas have risen by 5.5% since
>1997, when they should be reducing by 1% a year." (same link below)
But the important thing is, have they decreased compared to the base year in
Kyoto, 1990.
raylopez99
always has good stuff to post.
As CC implies, the hypocritical major signatories of Kyoto--which
nearly every scientist who is pro AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming)
believes is flawed--are using Kyoto to continue their trade wars 'by
other means'. Kind of like those UN resolutions condeming something
the US does--just because the US and not the enemies of the US is doing
it.
Pay no attention to the commies that constitute the AGW crowd--they are
still smarting over the fall of communism in 1989.
RL
d...@dan.com
news:1126579889.9...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
So supporters of AGW are commies? LMAO! So now simply holding a scientific
opinion that you disagree with makes them commies? Hardy har har. Loopy is
right.
Coby Beck
Not just commies, but Islamo-extremist commies.
--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")
Bush Grandpa sold Thyssen coal to burn jews in Auschwitz
Coby Beck
<bush_au...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1126592984.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> ... Narco-terrorist Islamo-Extremist Environazi Commies.
LOL! I want that on a t-shirt!
hanson
<bush_au...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1126592984.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> ... Narco-terrorist Islamo-Extremist Environazi Commies.
Kikes Little Green Idiots and Enviro Turds.... That ought to complete
the list of your bizarre dance choreography.... or to you belong in/to
one or more of the add-ons which so carefully suppressed/omitted....
AHAHAHA... ahaha... ahahanson
Lloyd Parker
"Bush Grandpa sold Thyssen coal to burn jews in Auschwitz"
>.... Narco-terrorist Islamo-Extremist Environazi Commies.
>
You've got to work feminists in somehow too.
ivan ivanovic
> http://reports.eea.eu.int/technical_report_2005_4/en
>
there is a graph in page 64 that shows reduction compared to 1990!
ivan ivanovic
compared to US and China. The US just simply don't want to pay for upgrades
that are necessary for energy efficiency, and big oil and coal don't want to
give - up their profits.
Seeing the amount of anti global warming propaganda that is force-fed to US
citizens I don't know how is really living the communist dream!
Be rest assured the rich will always have clean water, clean air and healthy
natural foods, and your children will live in a nightmare world and be
forced to buy air like you are buying bottled water now.
Hope that 4-ton SUV is worth yours children's future!
Pozdrav Ivan
"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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raylopez99
The well known fact that the EU and Japan use half the energy per
dollar of GDP (i.e., their Total Factor Productivity in energy is twice
that the US) is because the EU and Japan does not live the "American
Life". Having lived in both the US and Europe, rest assure that most
Europeans who come to America, and discover the creature comforts of
the "American Life" do NOT want to go back to their home country
(except for vacation).
Who wants to: shower in a European (hand-held douche) shower? drive a
(underpowered) Euro (toy) car? Commute, as is done in the NE part of
the USA, in mass transportation and smell other people's farts? Eat
super expensive ('organic') Euro foods? Conserve water like it is
gold?
And the list goes on...
RL
hanson
wisdom and ways has put things into perspective when he wrote in message
news:1127141939....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> The well known fact that the EU and Japan use half the energy per
> dollar of GDP (i.e., their Total Factor Productivity in energy is twice
> that the US) is because the EU and Japan does not live the "American
> Life". Having lived in both the US and Europe, rest assure that most
> Europeans who come to America, and discover the creature comforts of
> the "American Life" do NOT want to go back to their home country
> (except for vacation).
>
> Who wants to:
> [2] drive a (underpowered) Euro (toy) car?
> [3] Commute in mass transportation and smell other people's farts?
> [4] Eat super expensive ('organic') Euro foods?
> [5] Conserve water like it is gold?
> [6] And the list goes on...
>
[hanson]
ahahaha... of course, all those illbegotten & besotten class 3 enviros
you are addressing your notes to are too fanatical to realize how good
they have it here in the USA. ... In their green fanaticism they can never
see why
[7] ...millions and millions of hardworking folks from over there and
from all over the world do come here, legally and illegally, year after
year, even risking their lives to come to this great land!
Fuck enviros!...
>
... ahaha... and here are two little episodes from my stints overseas
which our local greenies may enjoy where they to live there:
[8] I saw at the public (recycle/brown/green/clear glass) trash bins how
a little 70+y old lady beat a guy in his 20's with her umbrella because
he had dropped his bag of brown bottles into the wrong trash bin. She
beat on him relentlessly until he fixed the "green problem"... to the roaring
cheers of the bystanders.... ahahaha...
[9] ... during cooking at a dinner invite with/at an upper class family home
an electrical short put the lights out. They panicked. I suggested to re-set
the fuse. "Oh, NO sir!.. we are not allowed to do that. We need to call the
specialist to fix the problem"... ahahaha....
[10] ... and indeed, the list goes on...
All enviros should expatriate to one of those promised lands "over there".
... Now and for good.... ahahaha... ahahaha... ahahanson
PS: Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
raylopez99
reading your missive below that what you witnessed HAS TO BE TRUE.
Why? BECAUSE YOU CANNOT MAKE UP SUCH OBSERVATIONS, LOL!
HAHAHAHAHanson!!! I swear, you simply cannot make up stuff like
that--it has to be real! You can tell what's real and what's generic
and textbook--shiite like the below is real.
Yes, I have nothing against Euro-phages--hell, I'm a dual national
myself. And I date Asians, Mexicans, hairy-underarmed Euro chicks, and
occasionally even phat American girls. It's all good. But one thing
is a constant--I swear--one thing is always true: NONE of the foreign
birds wants to go back to the Euro-lands or their home country (except
to visit). They love the American Way of Life. Small wonder that
Warton Professor Jeremy Segal said that the US, to maintain their
growth, needs to DOUBLE their current population--and since old phat
American chicks are not reproducing--that leaves one option--HELLO
AMIGO! SAY HELLO TO MY FRIEND JOSE AND HIS CHICAS. Yes, immigration.
And pollution. Ever been to Mexico City? My compadres think that's
clean and green. Muerto, they really don't know what you gringos
problem is, with America as clean as it already is...
Reminds me of the closing pages of one of the comic books of the
awesome 'adult cartoonist' Milo Manara (a genius way ahead of his
time--he is subtle in his humor). The story involved a cult of
eco-nuts, some gorgeous Green babes that were tricked by a Marlon
Brando look-alike cult leader into have sex orgies in the wilds of the
Amazon...something about cosmic oneness during orgasm comes to mind...
but the ending passage, which showed two lovelies making out with each
other, ended with these words (forever etched in my mind):
"ONE THING IS FOR SURE... NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS
IN THE AMAZON".
Yes, all the hypocritical talk from the Greenies on this forum and
elsewhere--while they drive their SUVs and enjoy their American Style
showers (+400 liters of water per person per day, minimum)--is not
going to solve the deforestation of the Amazon. Only FREE MARKETS AND
PRIVATE OWNERSHIP (not governments) will do that. Want to pay Jose,
Mr. and Mrs. Eco-Nut Greenie Treelover? Pay up then. You won't. Talk
is cheap. Or to turn the phrase "Mi casa es su casa" around: "Mi casa
es mu casa" MY HOUSE IS MY HOUSE (Private Property Rules).
With private property you have no Tragedy of the Commons--and few if
any externalities (in practice).
Ray Lopez
hanson, who is truly wise, wrote:
> Ray Lopez, "raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> in his extraordinary
> wisdom and ways has put things into perspective when he wrote in message
> news:1127141939....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Lloyd Parker
"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Ivan the Terrible--
>
>The well known fact that the EU and Japan use half the energy per
>dollar of GDP (i.e., their Total Factor Productivity in energy is twice
>that the US) is because the EU and Japan does not live the "American
>Life". Having lived in both the US and Europe, rest assure that most
>Europeans who come to America, and discover the creature comforts of
>the "American Life" do NOT want to go back to their home country
>(except for vacation).
>
Or the health care when they retire.
>Who wants to: shower in a European (hand-held douche) shower? drive a
>(underpowered) Euro (toy) car?
Take a train quickly and easily anywhere?
?Commute, as is done in the NE part of
>the USA, in mass transportation and smell other people's farts?
Drive into Manhattan?
>Eat
>super expensive ('organic') Euro foods?
Yeah, that French and Italian cooking. Nobody likes it.
>Conserve water like it is
>gold?
So you won't be retiring to California, Arizona, or Nevada?
hanson
> .... Segal said that the US, to maintain their growth, needs to DOUBLE
> their current population -- and since old phat American chicks are not
> reproducing -- that leaves one option: CHICAS. Yes, immigration.
> And pollution. Ever been to Mexico City? My compadres think that's
> clean and green. Muerto, they really don't know what you gringos
> problem is, with America as clean as it already is...
>
Besides your notion of Chica necessities, I'd subscribe to it if you
include Fräuleins, Mademoiselles and Signorinas, etc... But, more
germane to the green topic is that you, Ray, have put your finger on
the unspoken ***dirty*** little secret that underlays the philosophical
fundament of environmentalism: ***Cleanliness*** .... ahahahaha....
Cleanliness is a fucking relative term! Highly so. Well, I am not sure
about the fucking part, but very sure is the obvious fact that: **What
is dirty to one person, is colorful, natural and organic to another one**.
>
But now, enter the greenies who have recognized this dynamic and
have exploited it with/by/in their greed and have introduced artificial
cleanliness standards which are suitable for them to collect graft from
and via their permit charges, user fees, envirosur- & carbon taxes that
they extort viciously from hard working folks. [A] Everybody has to be
clean and pay for their regulatorily introduced standards. But when you
take a look at the greenies themselves: Enviros are dirty. Inside & out.
>
That's why environmentalism in its current form is antisocial and racist
by design. Worse than religion, nazism, commies, zionism & islamism.
Environmentalism foments and promulgates ethnic hatred (Sierra club)
and it will fail for that reason.... amongst many other ones... ahahaha...
ahaha... ahahansonnews:1127175691.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Day Brown
not for everyone.
raylopez99
Agreed--that's why those Colorado nature lovers like Lloyd Parker stink
of B.O. when they hang out at the coffee bar after working out--they
have no sense to go shower first! I've seen this phenomena--dirty,
stinking Green shit(s) smell like mierda!
But they want to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.
Yes, cleanliness is relative, but the little green idiots/mierdas/turds
want to make their morality the "Moral Majority" (which is neither).
When in fact China is a bigger polluter than the US is--and I don't see
the eco-nuts complaining about that! funny how that works. Maybe
they'll take a page out of the "Nike Child Factory Exploitation" manual
that they used a few years ago and try and ban imports based on CO2
emissions--the AFL/CIO will love the little green idiots for it...
RL
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Well, one little known fact is that accidental coalfield fires in China
contribute more CO2 than all the cars in North America.
--
Dirk
The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
owl
You probably want to keep that 'little known fact' locked in your
closet so no one knows you believe it.
US cars and light trucks account for about 5% of the world's total GHG
problem:
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/article.cfm?contentID=4721&nolinkID=45
Official Chinese sources put the pollution of all the coal-fires in
China at about .2% of the problem, but the number has been
independantly calc'd at 10x that figure:-
http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/problem/china_coalfire.html
So it could be up as high as 2% of the of the global burden and about
40% of the US car totals.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Well, that's OK then.
Don Libby
news:3pkr2eF...@individual.net...
> owl wrote:
>> US cars and light trucks account for about 5% of the world's total GHG
>> problem:
>>
>> http://www.environmentaldefense.org/article.cfm?contentID=4721&nolinkID=45
>>
>> Official Chinese sources put the pollution of all the coal-fires in
>> China at about .2% of the problem, but the number has been
>> independantly calc'd at 10x that figure:-
>>
>> http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/problem/china_coalfire.html
>>
>> So it could be up as high as 2% of the of the global burden and about
>> 40% of the US car totals.
>
> Well, that's OK then.
Anyway, it's not the accidental coal fires in China that really matter: it's
the intentional ones. The crux of the matter is whether China and India can
manage to rely mostly on nuclear fission rather than coal combustion. Very
little else matters as much where the avoidance of anthropogenic global
warming is concerned.
More liberal foreign investment policies and a global market in tradeable
CO2 credits would help, as would vocal recognition by environmental pressure
groups that we must now begin to build out a global fleet of 4,000 nuclear
power plants to sustain a population of 10^10 for the next 10^2 years with
high and rising living standards and atmospheric concentrations of CO2
stabilized at or below twice pre-industrial levels by the year 2100.
-dl
Joshua Halpern
http://www.offroaders.com/album/centralia/fire-history.htm
josh halpern
raylopez99
GOING NUCLEAR is the sane option. First fission, then fusion. The
ultimate renewable.
RL
Bush Grandpa sold Thyssen coal to burn jews in Auschwitz
ivan ivanovic
> Ivan the Terrible--
No, just Ivan, little man in real life, little man in newsgroups.
> The well known fact that the EU and Japan use half the energy per
> dollar of GDP (i.e., their Total Factor Productivity in energy is twice
> that the US) is because the EU and Japan does not live the "American
> Life". Having lived in both the US and Europe, rest assure that most
> Europeans who come to America, and discover the creature comforts of
> the "American Life" do NOT want to go back to their home country
> (except for vacation).
That is true my friend, I am not saying that conservation is fun, I am just
saying that conservation is SMART. People like you are just pigs, no better
then animals, and there will be bill to pay in your lifetime.
> Who wants to: shower in a European (hand-held douche) shower? drive a
> (underpowered) Euro (toy) car? Commute, as is done in the NE part of
> the USA, in mass transportation and smell other people's farts?
Nobody, but they will be forced to in future (if they are lucky). They will
also be forced to buy clean air in bottles because some people just don't
like to buy low quality recycled furniture (not really American dream)...
> Eat super expensive ('organic') Euro foods?
The rich in USA like to eat that kind of foods. They talk that GMO is
perfectly safe to ordinary people, but they prefer avoiding it.
> Conserve water like it is gold?
Water is life.
> And the list goes on...
OK live how you want, destroy to your hart content, but when god and mother
nature gives you a bill don't cry, pay (and be rest assure the bill will be
coming...)
ivan ivanovic
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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> [hanson]
> ahahaha... of course, all those illbegotten & besotten class 3 enviros
> you are addressing your notes to are too fanatical to realize how good
> they have it here in the USA. ... In their green fanaticism they can never
> see why
> [7] ...millions and millions of hardworking folks from over there and
> from all over the world do come here, legally and illegally, year after
> year, even risking their lives to come to this great land!
> Fuck enviros!...
There is as a large list of people that want to live in EU also... The
America is not only country where people from poor countries want to live
you know...
> PS: Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
> Class (1)
> Green shit(s): ...are the ones who advocate, promote,
> support, legalize, institute and extort the permit charges,
> the user fees, the enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax,
> all reflected in HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!,
HIGHER PRICES now means LOWER prices in the future, or do you think that
global warming will not happen to USA?
You probably think that climate change will cost NOTHING?
I will not lie to you, the conservation mean reduction in living standards
(it is hard to save), but I assure you that the people in EU are not living
poorly even when they conserve.
> and being responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
Look people, the greens are responsible for outsourcing, they are to
blame.... The greed of CEOs and political leaders (both parties) don't have
anything to with the fact that you lost your job! The business doesn't go
from America because of environmental laws, but because of the low wages in
poor countries.
I am not laying to you, so please don't lie to me.
> Class (2)
> Green turd(s):... are the ones who are recipients and
> beneficiaries from the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
Ha, ha, ha even for me (I am not a US resident) is clear how is doing
looting here, the tax cuts, the deficit, the good business in Iraq, direct
bids (not public tenders), corrupt gov officials, energy bill, highway
bill...
> Class (3)
> Little green idiot(s):.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones
> who think they do something for the "environment", when in
> fact they are only the enablers and facilitators for (2) who
> are harvesting the green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
That would be me, if you are correct.
Well, let me make a list of my own using your good example:
PS: Modern, attributal definitions of pollution benefactors:
Class (1)
CEOs, venture capitalists, media moguls, lobbyists and politicians -
subclasses:
a) Greedy - they don't want to pay for upgrades necessary for conservation
(yes it DOES COST). They have absolutely no problem with firing people and
outsourcing to poor countries with sweet shops not to survive, but to make
another million $, so why they would care about environment.
b) Stupid - in time they actually believed in their own lies that pollution
doesn't have anything to do with climate change
c) Corrupt - they know what is happening, but are well paid not to notice.
They know that there is no chance of them to make so much money if they are
honest, so they figured as long they are rich they will have no problems
regarding climate change
Class (1) will have absolutely no problem regarding the affects of climate
change, no matter what happens.
Class (2)
Head pieces - reporters, PR, scientists and church leaders - subclasses
a) Hypocrites - they advocate that pollution doesn't have anything to do
with climate change, but when change jobs then they position change. When
they make enough money they suddenly become an anty pollution champions.
b) Hopevals - they hope that they become rich so they don't care about
anything, they don't care about people so why they would care about
environment. They will do anything, cheat, lie, step on people etc...
c) Stupid - in time they actually believed in their own lies that pollution
doesn't have anything to do with climate change
Class (2) will pay the bill with Class (3) except for few how become Class
(1).
Class (3)
People with no special interests - subclasses
a) Pigs - they are just pigs so CHOOSE to believe that pollution doesn't
have anything with climate change, they enjoy spending and wasting.
b) Followers - generally stupid so they follow someone (a church leader, a
politicians a sect leader) and for the time being they are anti
conservation, but when they leaders change their respectable opinions they
will change theirs also.
c) Lazy - they are intelligent enough to understand, but they have their own
problems and don't want to burden them selves with anything...
Class (3) will pay the bill of climate change.
Final word, when god gave a Earth to humans I am pretty sure that he didn't
wont for humans to kill all animals, and pollute everything, but maybe you
are correct we WILL SEE that in time...
hanson
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> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> news:LFHXe.480$0m6...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Little green idiot(s):.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones
>> who think they do something for the "environment", when in
>> fact they are only the enablers and facilitators for (2) who
>> are harvesting the green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
>
> [class 3]...That would be me, ivan ivanovic...
>
[hanson]
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... Look at that .... ahahaha.... ivan ivanovic
a self-admitted & proud little green idiot from Hrvatska aka Croatia
trumpets a passionate enviro song from his hills in the Balkans.
So, Ivan Ivanovic, since our handles have the same translation, and
your English is sufficient, let me straighten you out on a couple of
things, even if you seem to be singing out of both side of your mouth:
>
[Ivan]
> Class (3) will pay the bill of climate change.
>
.... ahahaha... yes, of course... and you little green idiots are
still proud of the fact that you are the enablers and facilitators
for the smart greenies of class 1 and 2 who continue to fuck'ya
out of your few Dinars, while climate change continues unimpeded.
ahahaha... Ivan, (1) Environmentalism makes the Poor poorer and
the Rich richer... (2) Environmentalism is Communism in Green...
(3) Environmentalism is Nazism in Green... Do you guys over there
never learn?... Haven't you silly but good hearted bastards not been
fucked over enough yet?....
>
[Ivan]
> HIGHER PRICES now means LOWER prices in the future,
>
ahahaha.... come again, Ivan... ahaha... "lower prices"... yeah, sure,
but only as long as you get foreign aid from the US, money which
ultimately comes off the dinner table from the US taxpayer and
goes to you... and furthermore, Ivan, we have sent our boys over
there to save your, Ivan's sorry asshole. So, don't be such a ingrade
and political swine and rail against us, the good people of the USA.
>
[Ivan]
> .... reduction in living standards (it is hard to save),
>
[hanson]
ahahaha.... so, why are you complaining then, Ivan... ahaha...
That's what you get from environmentalism: Lower living standards.
Serves you right! ... or get your scrawny ass off the computer and
produce something and earn money and instead of announcing that
you are a hard up little green idiot..... ahahaha....
I would never hire you, Ivan. You are a whiner not a doer.
>
[Ivan]
> Final word, when god gave a Earth to humans I am pretty sure that he didn't
> wont for humans to kill all animals, and pollute everything, but maybe you are
> correct we WILL SEE that in time...
>
ahahaha.. Ivan, an anti-US, class 3 enviro, AND a Bible beating greenie,
did just get off the deep end in his green and evangelical fanaticism.
ahahaha... Who in the hell told you, or where did you see that humans
"kill all animals, and pollute everything"..... Did some enviros tell you
shit like that?... ahahaha... Or are you under some kind of medication
that gave you a severe depression which makes you show such feelings
of doom?
Ivan, headers of your post indicate that you posted this Monday morning.
So, why aren't you at work, Ivan? ... Lazy?, loaded?, disabled?....
Ivan, it would be much better for you to move up in your community and
if environmentalism is your bag then become either a class 1, a green shit,
a regulator or a class 2 enviro, a green turd, an entrepreneur/CEO...
and make money... because ONLY if you have money then YOU can do
good things for the environment... but NOT if you continue with shedding
green crocodile tears as a class 3 enviro, while others do the hard work...
Take care, my wilting green friend...
ahahaha... ahahanson
PS: Here, for your benefit , Ivan:
a) See and realize what the green bible has done to you. Get rid of it.
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
b) Ivan, **Restudy** and accept, instead of reinterpreting these...
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
Class (1)
Green shit(s): ...are the ones who advocate, promote,
support, legalize, institute and extort the permit charges,
the user fees, the enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax,
all reflected in HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!,
and being responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
Class (2)
Green turd(s):... are the ones who are recipients and
beneficiaries from the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
I doubt whether fusion will ever be economical, at least with the existing
approaches.
Captain Compassion
<aw1234...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
>news:LFHXe.480$0m6...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>> [hanson]
>> ahahaha... of course, all those illbegotten & besotten class 3 enviros
>> you are addressing your notes to are too fanatical to realize how good
>> they have it here in the USA. ... In their green fanaticism they can never
>> see why
>> [7] ...millions and millions of hardworking folks from over there and
>> from all over the world do come here, legally and illegally, year after
>> year, even risking their lives to come to this great land!
>> Fuck enviros!...
>
>There is as a large list of people that want to live in EU also... The
>America is not only country where people from poor countries want to live
>you know...
>
Mostly Moslems who will be able to do what the Moors and the Ottoman
Turks couldn't do. Turn Europe in to a Islamic State.
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net
Lloyd Parker
Then matter-antimatter, or we'll never have warp drive!
raylopez99
It's been said that with exponential growth in science, by the year
2050 the biotech industry will have figured out how to keep cells alive
past their "death date" (all cells are programmed to die) and by then
we should have a first generation solution for 'eternal' (i.e., greatly
extended) life.
So stay healthy until then!
Take care my deluded, anti-science, pessimistic Colorado 'friend'
(fiend),
Ray
ivan ivanovic
>> [class 3]...That would be me, ivan ivanovic...
>>
> [hanson]
> ahahaha... AHAHAHA... Look at that .... ahahaha.... ivan ivanovic
> a self-admitted & proud little green idiot from Hrvatska aka Croatia
> trumpets a passionate enviro song from his hills in the Balkans.
Correct, I am from Croatia aka Hrvatska, and I do trumpet a passionate
enviro song with pride.
> So, Ivan Ivanovic, since our handles have the same translation, and
> your English is sufficient, let me straighten you out on a couple of
> things, even if you seem to be singing out of both side of your mouth:
>>
> [Ivan]
>> Class (3) will pay the bill of climate change.
>>
> [hanson]
> .... ahahaha... yes, of course... and you little green idiots are
> still proud of the fact that you are the enablers and facilitators
> for the smart greenies of class 1 and 2 who continue to fuck'ya
> out of your few Dinars,
Kunas not Dinars.
> while climate change continues unimpeded.
> ahahaha... Ivan, (1) Environmentalism makes the Poor poorer and
> the Rich richer...
AHAHAHA...
(2) Environmentalism is Communism in Green...
AHAHAHA...
> (3) Environmentalism is Nazism in Green... Do you guys over there
> never learn?... Haven't you silly but good hearted bastards not been
> fucked over enough yet?....
You say this just to offend me, I believe that not even you can buy this
crap.
>>
> [Ivan]
>> HIGHER PRICES now means LOWER prices in the future,
>>
> [hanson]
> ahahaha.... come again, Ivan... ahaha... "lower prices"... yeah, sure,
> but only as long as you get foreign aid from the US, money which
> ultimately comes off the dinner table from the US taxpayer and
> goes to you...
No, Croatia is nor recipient of US aid. I am not talking against your
country so please show same good manner when you talk about my.
> and furthermore, Ivan, we have sent our boys over
> there to save your, Ivan's sorry asshole.
True, and you have my thanks for that, but if you hadn't supported arms
embargo against my country you wouldn't have a reason to put your troops in
harms way. We were capable of defending our selves, but UN Security Council
made that impossible to do.
>So, don't be such a ingrade
> and political swine and rail against us, the good people of the USA.
Are everybody that don't share your opinion against good people of USA of is
just me? I have nothing against US, and I had nothing against you before
this outburst of slander.
> [Ivan]
>> .... reduction in living standards (it is hard to save),
>>
> [hanson]
> ahahaha.... so, why are you complaining then, Ivan... ahaha...
How is complaining? I certainly not.
> That's what you get from environmentalism: Lower living standards.
> Serves you right! ...
> or get your scrawny ass off the computer and
> produce something and earn money and instead of announcing that
> you are a hard up little green idiot..... ahahaha....
I am working and I am green idiot, there is not conflict between those two
facts.
> I would never hire you, Ivan. You are a whiner not a doer.
I will survive somehow...
>Who in the hell told you, or where did you see that humans
> "kill all animals, and pollute everything".....
I must have been dreaming my denial stricken friend.
>Did some enviros tell you
> shit like that?... ahahaha...
No, I just watch TV news and read a newspaper...
>Or are you under some kind of medication
> that gave you a severe depression which makes you show such feelings
> of doom?
Well I care for future; I see global warning as a real threat so I must be
on medication....
> Ivan, headers of your post indicate that you posted this Monday morning.
> So, why aren't you at work, Ivan? ... Lazy?, loaded?, disabled?....
I posted in Sunday night...I am writing this in Monday 20:50 (GMT : + 1)
> Ivan, it would be much better for you to move up in your community and
> if environmentalism is your bag then become either a class 1, a green
> shit,
> a regulator or a class 2 enviro, a green turd, an entrepreneur/CEO...
> and make money... because ONLY if you have money then YOU can do
> good things for the environment... but NOT if you continue with shedding
> green crocodile tears as a class 3 enviro, while others do the hard
> work...
> Take care, my wilting green friend...
> ahahaha... ahahanson
The rich piece of shit is still piece of shit, doesn't matter how many men
are stuck in his asshole.
> PS: Here, for your benefit , Ivan:
>
> a) See and realize what the green bible has done to you. Get rid of it.
Nothing, and I don't want for green bible to do nothing for me, I just care
for environment without reward or anything like that.
> b) Ivan, **Restudy** and accept, instead of reinterpreting these...
>
> Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
> Class (1)
> Green shit(s): ...are the ones who advocate, promote,
> support, legalize, institute and extort the permit charges,
> the user fees, the enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax,
> all reflected in HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!,
> and being responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
> Class (2)
> Green turd(s):... are the ones who are recipients and
> beneficiaries from the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
> Class (3)
> Little green idiot(s):.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones
> who think they do something for the "environment", when in
> fact they are only the enablers and facilitators for (2) who
> are harvesting the green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
Well I thought I can discus reasonably about global warning (not many in my
country hold your view) but you are not interested in discussions, you just
want to offend anyone that doesn't share your opinion. Serves me right -
there is a saying in my country: don't mess with turd, you will smell bad
doesn't mater how win.
BTW you should to something about that nasty hysterical laugh of yours, I
suggest that you try Prozac...
hanson
<aw1234...@yahoo.com> **did not get to hear what he
wanted to hear** [2]... so, he cranked himself enormously & got
uptight and mad... ahahaha... a regular hallmark symptom of all
class 3 enviros [3] ... AHAHAHA... a result of their brainwashing
by their green bible [1]... ahahaha.... ahahahanson
>
[1] The Green Bible
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
>
= Great lies, just like "they" used before, only the color changed.
= (A) Environmentalism is Communism in Green.
= (B) Environmentalism is Nazism in Green.
= (C) Environmentalism makes the Poor poorer and the Rich richer.
= Pure politics is driving dozens of public health issues, notably
= global warming, tobacco and other green shit. Great lies do
= service for/in/of a "noble cause" which now trump truth & fact.
>
[3]
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Well before 2050.
More like 2020 I'd say, given progress to date.
And the first computer with raw human-level processing power should be running
by 2012. Of course, real AI s/w to run on it might or might not be a problem
since there are already major projects to simulate neural tissue at the cellular
level in order to see what it does.
http://www.theconsensus.org/uk/essentia/why/Singularity.txt