3000 kids killed by guns a year (US)

[Transition Zone]

-- http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents

[Transition Zone]

On Dec 14, 3:53 pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/
How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...

I bet you won't hear that one on FUX NOISE !!!

[Ryanator]

[Ryanator]

1.2 million kids killed per year by abortion.

bet you won't hear that one on MSNBC !!!

[Dave Head]

No, you won't, because Fox reports the truth, and this is complete BS.
National health statistics:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

show 600 people, not just kids but including everyone in the nation,
were killed by accidental discharge of firearms. Its just not worth
talking about, really, swimming pools are worse, automobiles are far
worse.

[RogerN]

>"Transition Zone" wrote in message
>news:c5fde472-0df0-4b61...@i1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
>--
>http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents

Dear TransTard Moron Zone, what do you think about 100 times more children
killed by Planned Parenthood, thanks to libtards, than are killed by guns
each year?

RogerN

[deep]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:10:04 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
wrote:

Zero children are killed by Planned Parenthood.

>
>RogerN
>

[Jim Wilkins]

"Dave Head" <rall...@att.net> wrote in message
news:ubanc8hov3del6t1g...@4ax.com...
> ...>

> No, you won't, because Fox reports the truth, and this is complete
> BS.
> National health statistics:
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
>
> show 600 people, not just kids but including everyone in the nation,
> were killed by accidental discharge of firearms. Its just not worth
> talking about, really, swimming pools are worse, automobiles are far
> worse.

"Kids" is leftist Newspeak for "Juveniles".

[Tom Gardner]

On 12/14/2012 3:53 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
> -- http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents
>

If it's on the internet it MUST be true! They can't put anything on the
internet that isn't true! I saw it on the internet! And, everything on
usenet is true too!

[Dave Head]

?

[the man]

In article <27dnc85tvkillqc3b...@4ax.com>,

If you plan a parenthood, you most likely want children. Now, there are
some instances where an abortion must be performed to save the woman's
life. Who would be against that?
We don't need a government or a judge deciding these tough medical
decision. Do we?
--
Karma ; what a concept!

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>-- http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents

Define "kid." Obama is killing "kids" in Afghanistan right now.

[The-Gecko's-Little-Tool]

On Friday, December 14, 2012 3:53:06 PM UTC-5, Transition Zone wrote:
> -- http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents

Wrong.......the number is a fraction of that

In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, declined to 1999, and has remained relatively constant since. However, firearms injuries remain a leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among youth (CDC, 2001) (Sherry et al, 2012).

The rates of firearms deaths in the U.S. vary significantly by race and sex. The U.S. national average was 10.2 deaths per 100,000 population in 2009. The highest rate was 28.4/100,000 for African-American males, more than quadruple the rate of 6.3/100,000 for white males. (CDC, 2009)

The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000. The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity. (Mock et al, 1994) The cost of the improper use of firearms in Canada was estimated at $6.6 billion per year. (Chapdelaine and Maurice, 1996)

A study of firearm deaths in high income countries (Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom (Northern Ireland), United Kingdom (Scotland), and the United States) was conducted with data from the World Health Organization assembled by the WHO from the official national statistics of each individual country from 2003 (Richardson and Hemenway, 2011). The total population for the United States for 2003 was 290.8 million while the combined population for the other 22 countries was 563.5 million. There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries. Of all the firearm deaths in these 23 high-income countries in 2003, 80% occurred in the US. In the US the overall firearm death rate was 10.2 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 4.1 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 6.0 per 100,000, with firearm homicide rates highest persons 15 to 24 years of age. For the US the overall suicide rate was 10.8 per 100,000, and slightly over half of these deaths were firearm suicide (5.8 per 100,000). Firearm suicides rates increased with age. In the other high income countries 2003 the overall firearm death rate was 1.4 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 0.2 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 0.9 per 100,000. Firearm homicide rates were highest in the 25 year old to 34 year old age group. The overal suicide rate was 14.9 per 100,000 with a overall firearm suicide rate of 1.0 per 100,000.

A comparison across countries for an earlier time period is shown below.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

Just like the NRA doesn't kill people, right?

[The-Gecko's-Little-Tool]

AAA

[Killer]

Suspected homosexual "RogerN" wrote:
> >"Transition Zone"  wrote in message
> >news:c5fde472-0df0-4b61...@i1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> >--

> >http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...

>
> Dear TransTard Moron Zone, what do you think about 100 times more children
> killed by Planned Parenthood, thanks to libtards, than are killed by guns
> each year?
>
> RogerN

Why doesn't God do something? Isn't it about time that he was held
accountable? After all, he's the omnipotent diety, not man!

Then there's the estimated 100,000 innocent Iraqis who were killed as
collateral damage during Bush's big social engineering attempt during
the "Iraq war". 10's of thousands of them were children killed by US
military. You didn't say anything about them!!

Rightist values, kill 'em once they're born.

I bet that you only care about the white unborn babies anyway.

[RD Sandman]

Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:c5fde472-0df0-4b61...@i1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:

> --
> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_acc
> idents
\

They said 3,000 kids were killed each year.


Not by accidents. Here is the results from WISQARS.

1999

0 - 4 12
5 - 9 19
10- 14 57

Total 88

2000

0 - 4 19
5 - 9 18
10- 14 49

Total 86

2001

0 - 4 15
5 - 9 18
10- 14 39

Total 72

2002

0 - 4 12
5 - 9 14
10- 14 34

Total 60

2003

0 - 4 7
5 - 9 13
10- 14 36

Total 56

2004

0 - 4 15
5 - 9 13
10- 14 35

Total 63

2005

0 - 4 23
5 - 9 15
10- 14 37

Total 75

2006

0 - 4 13
5 - 9 18
10- 14 23

Total 54

2007

0 - 4 19
5 - 9 20
10- 14 26

Total 65

2008

0 - 4 21
5 - 9 12
10- 14 29

Total 62

2009

0 - 4 16
5 - 9 12
10- 14 20

Total 48

2010

0 - 4 25
5 - 9 11
10- 14 26

Total 62

TOTAL 791


Total number of children 0 -14 killed each year from 1999 - 2010

1999 - 489
2000 - 436
2001 - 414
2002 - 419
2003 - 380
2004 - 358
2005 - 404
2006 - 409
2007 - 398
2008 - 376
2009 - 355
2010 - 380

Total 4,818

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html

General definition of child is from birth to puberty. That is accepted
as from ages 0 - 14.

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

If law school is so hard to get through....
how come there are so many lawyers?

[RD Sandman]

Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:26a49f1b-4644-445e-
8f87-146...@r3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:

Particularly when it isn't true. Previous post shows real numbers from
the government WISQARS report.

[RD Sandman]

Dave Head <rall...@att.net> wrote in

news:m4hnc8hqthtkmjkbt...@4ax.com:

In order to come up with 3,000 a year you have to take the term "kids" as
anyone under 20 years of age. The generally accepted definition of kids
is children from birth to puberty. That is approximately 0 - 14 years of
age.

[Neolibertarian]

In article
<c5fde472-0df0-4b61...@i1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> --
> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents

That's a pretty stupid citation, even for Usenet.


--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

[The-Gecko's-Little-Tool]

Nice post, but the law says all persons under 18 are children.

[Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:53:19 -0600, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:

>Dave Head <rall...@att.net> wrote in
>news:m4hnc8hqthtkmjkbt...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:04:57 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
>> <murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Dave Head" <rall...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>news:ubanc8hov3del6t1g...@4ax.com...
>>>> ...>
>>>> No, you won't, because Fox reports the truth, and this is complete
>>>> BS.
>>>> National health statistics:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
>>>>
>>>> show 600 people, not just kids but including everyone in the nation,
>>>> were killed by accidental discharge of firearms. Its just not worth
>>>> talking about, really, swimming pools are worse, automobiles are far
>>>> worse.
>>>
>>>"Kids" is leftist Newspeak for "Juveniles".
>>>
>> ?
>
>In order to come up with 3,000 a year you have to take the term "kids" as
>anyone under 20 years of age. The generally accepted definition of kids
>is children from birth to puberty. That is approximately 0 - 14 years of
>age.

So you're telling us it's okay to murder anyone over 14.

Thanks for clearing up that point.

[The-Gecko's-Little-Tool]

What I said was that the law says that anyone under 18 years of age is a child. Furthermore the topic of the post is gun accidents, and accidents are clearly seperated from murder.

Time to give up silly.

[RogerN]

"deep" wrote in message news:27dnc85tvkillqc3b...@4ax.com...

There are zero children killed by guns.

What kills:
People with guns
People with knives
People with baseball bats
People with sticks and stones
People with swords
People with poison
People with rocks
People with fists
People with hammers

See anything in common? If there were no guns, would murder still exist?
If there were no people murdering, would murder still exist?
So the root of the problem is that for some reason a person wants to kill a
bunch of other people and then kill themselves, why would anyone want to do
that?

Find out why people want to murder and correct that problem, if you just
remove guns, those who want to murder will just use a different tool. With
no guns, a murderer could poison a schools lunch and still manage to kill or
harm many children, the problem is the people, not the weapon.

RogerN

[Dean Dark]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:52:20 -0800 (PST), Jim "Closet Gay, Individual
Serving Size Corningware Expert, World Class Bullshit Artist, Lousy
Father, Cuckold, Paranoid and All-Round Asshole" Howarth, of Hazlet,
NJ, posting as <fisherm...@comcast.net>,
<kashmir...@gmail.com> and <the.gn...@gmail.com>, sat in the
corner of his dirty, dark bedroom in his smelly little home,
whimpering and licking his wounds, wishing hard that he'd stayed in
school and paid more attention, but he tugged on his diseased little
pee-pee anyway, and this dribbled out:

>Furthermore the topic of the post is gun accidents,

It is? To me it looks like "3000 kids killed by guns a year (US)"

You really do need reading comprehension lessons, Jim. They probably
wouldn't do any good though. Time and time again you demonstrate your
inability to comprehend the simple concepts that most of us grasped at
around eight years old. I guess you just don't have the mental
capacity to do any better than you do.

At least you learned how to wipe your ass after taking a shit. You
*did* learn that, didn't you, Jim? Or does Judy have to do it for
you?

>Time to give up silly.

Irony is the *one* thing that you're good at though.

[Dean Dark]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:18:37 -0800 (PST), Jim "Closet Gay, Individual

Serving Size Corningware Expert, World Class Bullshit Artist, Lousy
Father, Cuckold, Paranoid and All-Round Asshole" Howarth, of Hazlet,
NJ, posting as <fisherm...@comcast.net>,
<kashmir...@gmail.com> and <the.gn...@gmail.com>, sat in the
corner of his dirty, dark bedroom in his smelly little home,
whimpering and licking his wounds, wishing hard that he'd stayed in
school and paid more attention, but he tugged on his diseased little
pee-pee anyway, and this dribbled out:

>Nice post, but the law says all persons under 18 are children.

Pediatricians a different definition of child.

Mental health professionals use yet another.

Hell, by the mental health guys' definition, Jim, *you're* a child.

Maybe you'll show up in the statistics next year. We can but hope.

[Stormin Mormon]

What is fux noise? I can't find that on the web.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Transition Zone" <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:26a49f1b-4644-445e...@r3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

[Michael A. Terrell]

Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> What is fux noise? I can't find that on the web.

A lame slam at FOX NEWS.

[the man]

In article <kaglhs$cg9$2...@dont-email.me>,

Neolibertarian <cogn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article
> <c5fde472-0df0-4b61...@i1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > --
> > http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accident
> > s
>
> That's a pretty stupid citation, even for Usenet.

If you think the only tool you have is a hammer, miraculously you seem
to think all your "problems" are Nails.
and;
The Death Penalty sends the wrong message to our youth.
The D.P. failed us again. It not only does not provide a real threat to
those that would shoot up a school, It sends a message to the everyone
that killing is the way to solve your "problems"
How many children has the U.S. killed with drones and sanctions?
America is a violent country, so don't be surprised if a 20 y.o. take
matters into their own hands.
Remember. In the "No Child Left Behind" Law , recruiters have access to
your child's info. they like 'em young. Impressionable. Gullible.
Don't get me started on violent Video "games" resembles the way they
control the drones over Afghanistan. Doesn't it?
It's not Gun Control. much deeper.

[Alim Nassor]

On Dec 14, 2:53 pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...

You know that any idiot can answer a wiki question? Like you.

[Neolibertarian]

In article <georgewk10-61884...@news.toast.net>,

the man <georg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <kaglhs$cg9$2...@dont-email.me>,
> Neolibertarian <cogn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <c5fde472-0df0-4b61...@i1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> > Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > --
> > > http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accide
> > > nt
> > > s
> >
> > That's a pretty stupid citation, even for Usenet.
>
> If you think the only tool you have is a hammer, miraculously you seem
> to think all your "problems" are Nails.
> and;
> The Death Penalty sends the wrong message to our youth.
> The D.P. failed us again. It not only does not provide a real threat to
> those that would shoot up a school, It sends a message to the everyone
> that killing is the way to solve your "problems"

It sends a message that your civilization demands all debts must be
repaid. Ignore that demand at your own peril.

> How many children has the U.S. killed with drones and sanctions?

Probably not as much as the despots the sanctions were directed
against--but don't put me in the position of defending either. Neither
drones nor sanctions are the kinds of solutions most imagine they are.

> America is a violent country, so don't be surprised if a 20 y.o. take
> matters into their own hands.

America is a morally floundering country; therefore I'm not surprised at
the growing number of moral failures.

> Remember. In the "No Child Left Behind" Law , recruiters have access to
> your child's info. they like 'em young. Impressionable. Gullible.

They've always liked them young, impressionable and gullible, of course.

> Don't get me started on violent Video "games" resembles the way they
> control the drones over Afghanistan. Doesn't it?

Back in the 1950s and 1960s, tv shows were as violent as any movie or
cable tv show you might see today. Cowboys, German soldiers, criminals
all dropped like flies every episode. Not as graphic back then, of
course. Sometimes you'd see nothing but ink on the lapel when someone
was shot. But the killing and mayhem was epic. Video games are hardly
different in this regard. Red Dead Redemption, for instance, is no
different in kind or quantity than what all of America would watch on
Bonanza or Gunsmoke every week.

"Gunsmoke," for crying out loud.

Guns were far less regulated and restricted then. High quality weapons
could be obtained for just a few dollars. Before Lee Oswald, you could
even order rifles, pistols and ammunition through the US mail.

Guns were much more available to children. Almost every boy in my
suburban neighborhood in the 1960s would likely know where Dad kept his
shotgun and pistols. I certainly did. Few bothered to keep them locked
in gun cabinets.

While there was the occasional boy caught with a knife or gun at school
back then, there were no school shootings, let alone students,
themselves, shooting up schools. Boys brought those guns merely to show
off to their classmates, or to threaten a bully.

Not to use. Actually using them on unarmed people would have been
morally unimaginable to almost everyone.

> It's not Gun Control. much deeper.

Gun control is a 2" group.

[Gray Guest]

Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:26a49f1b-4644-445e-
8f87-146...@r3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 14, 3:53�pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/
> How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...
>
> I bet you won't hear that one on FUX NOISE !!!
>

What I want to hear is hom many kommisars and zipperheads are killed each
week by guns.

Then we'll be getting somewhere.

--
Refusenik #1

Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.

Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama

[RD Sandman]

Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names <PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:g7onc8117d20c1ut4...@6ax.com:

No, I didn't tell you that but if that is how you took it, that is more
your problem than mine.

> Thanks for clearing up that point.
>
>

[Gray Guest]

the man <georg...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:georgewk10-61884...@news.toast.net:

I thought for a minute that you were going to majke sense. My mistake.

The death penalty doesn't work on people who intend to kill themsaelves
when they are done.

And sometimes killing IS the way to solve your problems.

I cite:
Our revolution
The Civil War
WWII

Sometimes you have to kill the other guy simply becuase nothing else is
going to make him stop.

So it appears you cannot discern between the murder of innocents and
necceesary and moral killing of aggressors.

Wait a minute, history rears it's ugly head:
Soviet Union: 126 million murdered
China (Red) 102 million plus 11 million killed before 1949
North Korea 3.5 million

Violent by whose standards, ya jerk? These represent people murdered by
thier own government. And the fact that it was the government doesn't
vhange a damn thing. It just changed who was allowed to hold the guns.

We aren't neccesarily violent. But we have trouble with the problem of
personal freedom and personal responsibilty. I exercise a lot of persoanl
responsibility yet I feel my persoanl liberty is beong encroached, it would
appear the problem is with those with no personal responsibility and the
freedom act how they please. Sorta like the parasite class being created by
the Dems.

[RD Sandman]

Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in
news:XnsA12A830878E1FWe...@88.198.244.100:

> Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:26a49f1b-4644-445e-
> 8f87-146...@r3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Dec 14, 3:53�pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/
>> How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...
>>
>> I bet you won't hear that one on FUX NOISE !!!
>>
>
> What I want to hear is hom many kommisars and zipperheads are killed
> each week by guns.
>
> Then we'll be getting somewhere.
>

I put the real stats up and no one has disputed or addressed them. The
post is complete bullshit.

[Basement Bandy]

On Dec 14, 6:10 pm, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
> >"Transition Zone"  wrote in message
> >news:c5fde472-0df0-4b61...@i1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> >--

> >http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...

>
> Dear TransTard Moron Zone, what do you think about 100 times more
children
>killed by Planned Parenthood, thanks to libtards, than are killed by guns
> each year?

You're wrong wogerwabbitbrain :

"Jun 10, 2008 – More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005
alone. "
-- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91356906

Definition of accident:
www.thefreedictionary.com/accident
ac·ci·dent ( k s -d nt, -d nt ).
n. 1. a. An unexpected and undesirable event, especially one resulting
in damage or harm:

[Basement Bandy]

On Dec 15, 2:54 pm, Basement Bandy <walter_even...@post.com> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 6:10 pm, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:> >"Transition Zone"  wrote in message
> > >news:c5fde472-0df0-4b61...@i1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >--
> > >http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...
>
>  >  Dear TransTard Moron Zone, what do you think about 100 times more
> children>killed by Planned Parenthood, thanks to libtards,  than are killed by guns
>
>  >  each year?
>
> You're wrong wogerwabbitbrain :
>
> "Jun 10, 2008 – More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005
> alone. "

>  --http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91356906

>
> Definition of accident:www.thefreedictionary.com/accident
> ac·ci·dent ( k s -d nt, -d nt ).
> n. 1. a. An unexpected and undesirable event, especially one resulting
> in damage or harm:

From NPR - National Public Radio.

[Basement Bandy]

LIke this?

[Basement Bandy]

On Dec 15, 1:37 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
> Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote innews:XnsA12A830878E1FWe...@88.198.244.100:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > news:26a49f1b-4644-445e-
> > 8f87-146e39ee8...@r3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:

>
> >> On Dec 14, 3:53 pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/
> >> How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...
>
> >> I bet you won't hear that one on FUX NOISE !!!
>
> > What I want to hear is hom many kommisars and zipperheads are killed
> > each week by guns.
>
> > Then we'll be getting somewhere.
>
> I put the real stats up and no one has disputed or addressed them.  The
> post is complete bullshit.

You mean your is.

"More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005 alone. " - Jun
10, 2008
-- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91356906

[RD Sandman]

Basement Bandy <walter_...@post.com> wrote in
news:15c8e426-16a1-4eaa...@ci3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

Which number only works if one includes those old enough to enter in
contracts, purchase alcohol, marry, vote and be sent to die on foreign
soil by our president as children.

[Basement Bandy]

On Dec 15, 3:03 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:

> Basement Bandy <walter_even...@post.com> wrote innews:15c8e426-16a1-4eaa...@ci3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Dec 15, 11:34 am, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 14, 2:53 pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gu
> >> > n_a
> > ...
>
> >> You know that any idiot can answer a wiki question? Like you.
>
> > LIke this?
>
> >   Jun 10, 2008 "More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005
> > alone."

> >      --http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91356906

>
>Which number only works if one includes those old enough to enter
in
> contracts, purchase alcohol, marry, vote and be sent to die on foreign
>soil by our president as children.

You're either an adult or a minor. Now, take your choice.

[RD Sandman]

Basement Bandy <walter_...@post.com> wrote in

news:08f0bf3b-8890-4cfa...@dg10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 15, 1:37 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote

>> innews:XnsA12A830878E1FWere
> offtosee...@88.198.244.100:

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> > news:26a49f1b-4644-445e-
>> > 8f87-146e39ee8...@r3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> On Dec 14, 3:53 pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/
>> >> How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...
>>
>> >> I bet you won't hear that one on FUX NOISE !!!
>>
>> > What I want to hear is hom many kommisars and zipperheads are
>> > killed each week by guns.
>>
>> > Then we'll be getting somewhere.
>>
>> I put the real stats up and no one has disputed or addressed them.
>>  The post is complete bullshit.
>
> You mean your is.
>
> "More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005 alone. " - Jun
> 10, 2008
> -- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91356906
>
>

Nope. Go up just a bit in this thread and you will find real numbers
that don't refer to those old enough to purchase alcohol, marry, vote or
be sent by our president to die on foreign soil as children. The
accepted definition of child (children) is from birth to puberty. That
would be about 0 to 14 years of age. To get to the number of 3000 one
must include folks up to 20 years of age as children.

[RD Sandman]

Basement Bandy <walter_...@post.com> wrote in

news:0d5768c4-23c0-41b5...@b16g2000vbh.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 15, 3:03 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Basement Bandy <walter_even...@post.com> wrote

>> innews:15c8e426-16a1-4eaa-
> 8fc0-ada...@ci3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

>>
>> > On Dec 15, 11:34 am, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Dec 14, 2:53 pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by
>> >> > _gu n_a
>> > ...
>>
>> >> You know that any idiot can answer a wiki question? Like you.
>>
>> > LIke this?
>>
>> >   Jun 10, 2008 "More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005
>> > alone."
>> >      --http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=913
> 56906
>>
> >Which number only works if one includes those old enough to enter
> in
>> contracts, purchase alcohol, marry, vote and be sent to die on
>> foreign
> >soil by our president as children.
>
> You're either an adult or a minor. Now, take your choice.
>

Why don't you look up the definition of child? Are you so afraid you
will find your picture there?

[David R. Birch]

I went back to the supposed source of this nonsense:

<http://www.childrensdefense.org/child-research-data-publications/data/state-of-americas-children.pdf>

The numbers are from 2007.

3042 children and TEENS died from gunfire in 2007.

2161 were homicide victims
683 committed suicide
198 died in accidental or undetermined circumstances

Repeat:

198 died in accidental or undetermined circumstances

So the Wiki answer was only off by about 2800...

David

[Basement Bandy]

On Dec 15, 3:52 pm, "David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
> I went back to the supposed source of this nonsense:
>

> <http://www.childrensdefense.org/child-research-data-publications/data...>

>
> The numbers are from 2007.
>
> 3042 children and TEENS died from gunfire in 2007.
>
> 2161 were homicide victims
>   683 committed suicide
>   198 died in accidental or undetermined circumstances
>
> Repeat:
>
> 198 died in accidental or undetermined circumstances
>
> So the Wiki answer was only off by about 2800...

No. The wiki answer is roughly right, not you.
3000 kids killed by guns a year in the United States. NPR's stats
back that up.

( Jun 10, 2008 "More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005
alone."
-- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91356906

[RogerN]

"Basement Bandy" wrote in message
news:75cafca8-92e9-4f58...@c28g2000vby.googlegroups.com...

>On Dec 15, 3:52 pm, "David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:

<snip>

>> 198 died in accidental or undetermined circumstances
>>
>> So the Wiki answer was only off by about 2800...
>
>No. The wiki answer is roughly right, not you.
>3000 kids killed by guns a year in the United States. NPR's stats
>back that up.
>
>( Jun 10, 2008 "More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005
> alone."
> -- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91356906

But no matter how you slice it, the number pales in comparison to 1.2
million innocent unborn children killed each year by abortion with full
liberal blessings. For each kid killed by gunfire, this outrages liberal
Democrats, there are 400 killed by a scalpel, all with liberal Democrat
blessing. The abortion problem is 400 times greater than the "killed by
guns" problem. Did the guns decide on their own to kill kids?

RogerN

[the man]

In article <b0inc854toh5skqms...@4ax.com>,
Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
> >--
> >http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents
>
> Define "kid." Obama is killing "kids" in Afghanistan right now.

and Iraq.
But, why don't you hear about that on TV?
Maybe you're just getting the government approved news.

Alternative Press for your enjoyment;
No spin zones;

Common Dreams
Free Speech TV
SF Bay Guardian
AlterNet.Org
The Straight Dope
PR Watch
Disinformation
From The Wilderness
Democracy Now!

[alanm...@yahoo.com]

On Friday, December 14, 2012 12:53:06 PM UTC-8, Transition Zone wrote:
> -- http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents

The TOTAL number of murders in 2011 was 14,748.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/11/us-usa-crime-stats-idUSBRE85A1JZ20120611

Only about 10% are under age 18

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/teens.cfm

And a significant portion of THOSE are gang related. Those "children" being killed are mostly gangbangers- and a significant portion of THOSE are 18 or 19 years old.

[Stormin Mormon]

This hyperlinks to a Childrens Defense Fund, page which is unavailable.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Basement Bandy" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in message
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[Stormin Mormon]

Hmm. Which should I choose?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Basement Bandy" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in message
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[Stormin Mormon]

That's the same statistical skew that gave us "a gun in the home is 42 times
more likely to shoot a friendly than kill a burglar".

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
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[Gunner]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:53:19 -0600, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:

>Dave Head <rall...@att.net> wrote in
>news:m4hnc8hqthtkmjkbt...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:04:57 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
>> <murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Dave Head" <rall...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>news:ubanc8hov3del6t1g...@4ax.com...
>>>> ...>
>>>> No, you won't, because Fox reports the truth, and this is complete
>>>> BS.
>>>> National health statistics:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
>>>>
>>>> show 600 people, not just kids but including everyone in the nation,
>>>> were killed by accidental discharge of firearms. Its just not worth
>>>> talking about, really, swimming pools are worse, automobiles are far
>>>> worse.
>>>
>>>"Kids" is leftist Newspeak for "Juveniles".
>>>
>> ?
>
>In order to come up with 3,000 a year you have to take the term "kids" as
>anyone under 20 years of age. The generally accepted definition of kids
>is children from birth to puberty. That is approximately 0 - 14 years of
>age.

Actually...the "kids" age range is considered by the Left to be from
0-25. Quite true and easily proven.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

[Gunner]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:26:17 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
wrote:

>"deep" wrote in message news:27dnc85tvkillqc3b...@4ax.com...
>
>>On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:10:04 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>

>>wrote:
>>
>>>>"Transition Zone" wrote in message
>>>>news:c5fde472-0df0-4b61...@i1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>--

>>>>http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents

>>>
>>>Dear TransTard Moron Zone, what do you think about 100 times more children
>>>killed by Planned Parenthood, thanks to libtards, than are killed by guns
>>>each year?
>>

>>Zero children are killed by Planned Parenthood.
>>
>
>There are zero children killed by guns.
>
>What kills:
>People with guns
>People with knives
>People with baseball bats
>People with sticks and stones
>People with swords
>People with poison
>People with rocks
>People with fists
>People with hammers
>
>See anything in common? If there were no guns, would murder still exist?
>If there were no people murdering, would murder still exist?
>So the root of the problem is that for some reason a person wants to kill a
>bunch of other people and then kill themselves, why would anyone want to do
>that?
>
>Find out why people want to murder and correct that problem, if you just
>remove guns, those who want to murder will just use a different tool. With
>no guns, a murderer could poison a schools lunch and still manage to kill or
>harm many children, the problem is the people, not the weapon.
>
>RogerN
>

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/22-kids-slashed-in-china-elementary-school-knife-attack/


Alyssa Newcomb

By Alyssa Newcomb

Dec 15, 2012 12:53pm

22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack

Chinese policemen show teachers and school workers how to defend
themselves during an attack, at a school in Beijing on April 29, 2010.
Authorities across China have ordered stepped-up security at schools
and increased police patrols near campuses after a wave of knife
attacks targeting children. (AFP/Getty Images)

What was supposed to be another day of learning at an elementary
school in central China instead turned to one of terror, as a man
slashed 22 children and one adult with a knife.

The injuries were gruesome, and reportedly include cut-off fingers and
ears, but this story had a different outcome from the massacre 8,000
miles away in Newtown, Conn. Everyone survived.

Read More: Cries for Gun Control After Shootings Yield Few Policy
Changes

Private ownership of firearms is banned in China, making gun crimes
rare in the country, according to the Chinese government’s official
English language website. Pistols and revolvers are permitted for
hunting, and only with permission.

Instead, knives have become the weapon of choice in China. While the
United States combats gun violence, China has dealt with a spate of
knife attacks in which the victims, while scarred, often survive.

Read Full ABC Coverage of Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting

Massacres in public spaces in the United States are most often carried
out by white men between the ages of 15 and 25, according to FBI
profilers. In China, the knife-wielding assailants are predominantly
middle-aged men, who are dissatisfied with their lives and resentful
toward society, Yang Yongchao, a psychologist at Zhengzhou No 8
People’s Hospital, told the China Daily.

Min Yingjun, 36, was arrested for the knife attack Friday morning at
Chenpeng Village’s Wanquan Elementary School. Local officials said he
may be suffering from a psychological illness.

On Thursday, a man was arrested after cutting the faces of several
female passengers on a Beijing subway, China Daily reported.

The man, whose surname is Hu, reportedly wanted “revenge on society”
after being scorned by a former girlfriend.

While China deals with its crimes at home, the country has largely
been critical of U.S. gun violence.

Live Updates: Conn. School Shooting

In its annual human rights report, released in May, the Consulate
General of the People’s Republic of China in New York condemned U.S.
gun ownership.

“The United States has mighty strength in human, financial and
material resources to exert effective control over violent crimes,”
the report stated. “However, its society is chronically suffering from
violent crimes, and its citizens’ lives, properties and personal
security are in lack of proper protection.”

[Gunner]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

Notice that the nutcase was executed? In the US..he would still be
lolling around inside of prison.

Gunner

[Michael A. Terrell]

Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> That's the same statistical skew that gave us "a gun in the home is 42 times
> more likely to shoot a friendly than kill a burglar".

It is, when in the hands of ignorant liberals who belong to a union.

[Gray Guest]

Basement Bandy <walter_...@post.com> wrote in news:08f0bf3b-8890-4cfa-
9529-7cc...@dg10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 15, 1:37�pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote

innews:XnsA12A830878E1FWere
> offtosee...@88.198.244.100:

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> > news:26a49f1b-4644-445e-
>> > 8f87-146e39ee8...@r3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> On Dec 14, 3:53�pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/
>> >> How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...
>>
>> >> I bet you won't hear that one on FUX NOISE !!!
>>
>> > What I want to hear is hom many kommisars and zipperheads are killed
>> > each week by guns.
>>
>> > Then we'll be getting somewhere.
>>
>> I put the real stats up and no one has disputed or addressed them. �The
>> post is complete bullshit.
>
> You mean your is.
>
> "More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005 alone. " - Jun
> 10, 2008
> -- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91356906
>
>

You retards are so easy.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_10.pdf
National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 10, January 31, 2006 35


Under
1 year 1-4 5-9 10-14 0-14 15-19 0-19
Unintentional 1 11 14 34 60 107 167
Suicide 86 86 742 828
Homicide 9 49 55 150 263 1,567 1,830
Undetermined 1 2 4 7 35 42
Legal intervention/war 3 3 23 26

Total 10 61 71 277 419 2,474 2,893

Wny doncha pull that 3,000 figure out of your ass sparky. Do you always
include gang bangers along with kindergardeners?

[Gray Guest]

RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in
news:XnsA12A7BDFD...@216.196.121.131:

I condensed it for the reality impaired.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6i8zs.213855$ez5....@fed13.iad...

> That's the same statistical skew that gave us "a gun in the home is
> 42 times
> more likely to shoot a friendly than kill a burglar".
>
> Christopher A. Young

Yes, your friendly local drug dealer.

[Gray Guest]

Basement Bandy <walter_...@post.com> wrote in news:15c8e426-16a1-4eaa-
8fc0-ada...@ci3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

Yes but it's a lie.

"Under
1 year" 1-4 5-9 10-14

Unintentional 1 11 14 34

Suicide 86

Homicide 9 49 55 150

Undetermined 1 2 4
Legal intervention/war 3

10 61 71 277

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_10.pdf
National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 10, January 31, 2006 35

[Gray Guest]

Basement Bandy <walter_...@post.com> wrote in news:0d5768c4-23c0-41b5-
92f5-3f7...@b16g2000vbh.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 15, 3:03 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Basement Bandy <walter_even...@post.com> wrote innews:15c8e426-16a1-

4eaa-
> 8fc0-ada...@ci3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

>>
>> > On Dec 15, 11:34 am, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Dec 14, 2:53 pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > --
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gu
>> >> > n_a
>> > ...
>>
>> >> You know that any idiot can answer a wiki question? Like you.
>>
>> > LIke this?
>>
>> >   Jun 10, 2008 "More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005
>> > alone."
>> >      --http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=913
> 56906
>>
> >Which number only works if one includes those old enough to enter
> in
>> contracts, purchase alcohol, marry, vote and be sent to die on
foreign
> >soil by our president as children.
>
> You're either an adult or a minor. Now, take your choice.
>

So we only have the two choices you provide and no other?

Ha!

"Under
1 year" 1-4 5-9 10-14 0-14 15-19 0-19

Unintentional 1 11 14 34 60 107 167
Suicide 86 86 742 828
Homicide 9 49 55 150 263 1,567 1,830
Undetermined 1 2 4 7 35 42
Legal intervention/war 3 3 23 26

10 61 71 277 419 2,474 2,893

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_10.pdf

National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 10, January 31, 2006 35

You've been lied to. You have repeated the lie.

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
news:iLKdnRORFaWdl1HN...@earthlink.com...

> if you just remove guns, those who want to murder will just use a
> different tool.

Give me 3 examples where someone killed 20 school children in under 2
minutes, using only a hammer, machete, meat cleaver, or somesuch...

Actually, just give me a single example of someone killing 20 school
children in under 2 minutes without using firearms...

[David R. Birch]

On 12/15/2012 3:05 PM, Basement Bandy wrote:
> On Dec 15, 3:52 pm, "David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>> I went back to the supposed source of this nonsense:
>>
>> <http://www.childrensdefense.org/child-research-data-publications/data...>
>>
>>
>>
The numbers are from 2007.
>>
>> 3042 children and TEENS died from gunfire in 2007.
>>
>> 2161 were homicide victims 683 committed suicide 198 died in
>> accidental or undetermined circumstances
>>
>> Repeat:
>>
>> 198 died in accidental or undetermined circumstances
>>
>> So the Wiki answer was only off by about 2800...
>
> No. The wiki answer is roughly right, not you. 3000 kids killed by
> guns a year in the United States. NPR's stats back that up.

<http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year
_by_gun_accidents>


Amazing. The above link originally referenced was about "gun accidents",
not the number killed.

I tracked back the npr.org story.

> ( Jun 10, 2008 "More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005
> alone." --
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91356906

This link goes nowhere, a search for 91356906 on NPR led to CDF, all CDF
says is "Page Requested is Not Available".

In short, no data, just unsubstantiated claims.

David

[Scout]

"PrecisionmachinisT" <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote in message
news:VO2dnWSsEYnf-FDN...@scnresearch.com...

>
> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
> news:iLKdnRORFaWdl1HN...@earthlink.com...
>
>
>> if you just remove guns, those who want to murder will just use a
>> different tool.
>
> Give me 3 examples where someone killed 20 school children in under 2
> minutes, using only a hammer, machete, meat cleaver, or somesuch...

Why don't you give us 3 examples of where someone did so with a gun?

Oh, that's right, you can't because you simply pull numbers out of your ass
trying to cherry pick things for the results you like.

So tell me, if someone murders 20 kids but it takes 10 minutes....are they
somehow less dead or the event somehow less tragic?

I ask because your criteria seems needlessly limited.

> Actually, just give me a single example of someone killing 20 school
> children in under 2 minutes without using firearms...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Now what?

Going to piss and moan how that doesn't count?

[Gunner]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:29:33 -0600, "David R. Birch"

Ayup. See my sig

[RogerN]

"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
news:VO2dnWSsEYnf-FDN...@scnresearch.com...

What about Hitler's killing of the Jews? Don't know for sure but there was
likely at least 3 times that 20+ children was present as they were being
killed. Not sure of the time either, seems likely most would die within a
couple of minutes between each other. Liberals like to kill them much
younger, out of the 1.2 million liberal approved killings each year, most
done within the 8 hour working day, with time off for lunch and breaks,
there are probably 20 killed in a 2 minute time period every day, maybe even
multiple times every day.

Ok, at 1.2 million unborn children murdered with liberal approval each year,
divide by 52 weeks, divide by 5 days a week, that 4,615 killings per day,
577 per hour based on 8 hour day, that's an average of 19.2 deaths every 2
minutes, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks per year. These would have
been school children if the progressives wouldn't have killed them first.

RogerN

[Catoni]

You're posting to the wrong group. This group is alt.global-warming. It's about global warming and climate change.

I think you're looking for alt.socialist-guncontrol, or alt.gunban, or alt.I-hate-guns.

[Catoni]

> > if you just remove guns, those who want to murder will just use a
>
> > different tool.
>
>
>
> Give me 3 examples where someone killed 20 school children in under 2
>
> minutes, using only a hammer, machete, meat cleaver, or somesuch...
>
>
>
> Actually, just give me a single example of someone killing 20 school
>
> children in under 2 minutes without using firearms...

Cambodia, 1977, Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge killers.... school house with 84 kids.
Split second with planted explosives.

Also several killers picking up babies by the legs, and smashing their brains out against a large tree, just outside of Phnom Penh. 30 babies in a minute and a half......but it went on for hours....
"...then there was the baby-killing tree
beside the mass grave for women and infants
where the little ones were hung upside down,
and their heads swung back and forth,
like the pendulum bob of a grandfather clock,
into this huge tree’s solid bloodstained trunk
until their little baby brains were beaten to a pulp,
like the soft fleshy part of a grapefruit,
while their mothers helplessly watched
as the short lived lives of children
they’d ushered into this world
were snatched away from the tight grip of their maternal love
like carrots from the earth."

How little you know............

[The-Gecko's-Little-Tool]

Sounds like the retarded Canadians bashing the brains out of baby seals in front of their mothers. Nice point, Canada is a lot like Cambodia in the Nam era................Only it is happening today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDRz15Wsqzg

Chow

[F Murtz]

Because there are firearms,remove them and then see what methods are used.
There are many methods by which you could kill many people that do not
involve firearms which would happen if you succeeded in removing them as
the removal would not change the perpetrators will to commit such
atrocities.

[Domitius Corbulo]

Forget Hitler and use current numbers. Over 12,000 people a day die in
the USA. So people want to change the lives of 300 million people
because some sick bastard kills 20 children. Those who would add to the
murder lists by taking away the people's protection are as sick as those
who do these killings.

--
Semper Paratus

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>the man <georg...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>In article <b0inc854toh5skqms...@4ax.com>,
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>> >--
>> >http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents
>>
>> Define "kid." Obama is killing "kids" in Afghanistan right now.
>
>and Iraq.
>But, why don't you hear about that on TV?
>Maybe you're just getting the government approved news.

Maybe you depend too much on TV

[Gunner]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 03:12:50 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
wrote:

Break down the 250,000,000 men woman and children murdered by the
Socialists in 70 yrs.

That ought to add up to some mass killings per minute as well.

Socialists/Liberals/Marxists/Progressives.....they kill and kill and
kill for insane reasons. Its part of their nature.

They should be put down for the safety of the people, like rabid dogs.


Gunner

[RD Sandman]

Basement Bandy <walter_...@post.com> wrote in

news:75cafca8-92e9-4f58...@c28g2000vby.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 15, 3:52 pm, "David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>> I went back to the supposed source of this nonsense:
>>
>> <http://www.childrensdefense.org/child-research-data-publications/data
>> ...
>>
>>
>> The numbers are from 2007.
>>
>> 3042 children and TEENS died from gunfire in 2007.
>>
>> 2161 were homicide victims
>>   683 committed suicide
>>   198 died in accidental or undetermined circumstances
>>
>> Repeat:
>>
>> 198 died in accidental or undetermined circumstances
>>
>> So the Wiki answer was only off by about 2800...
>
> No. The wiki answer is roughly right, not you.
> 3000 kids killed by guns a year in the United States. NPR's stats
> back that up.
>

> ( Jun 10, 2008 "More than 3000 children were killed by guns in 2005
> alone."
> -- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91356906
>

WISQARs stats don't. The question asked was how many children die in
firearms *ACCIDENTS*. The answer given was deaths of all manner by
firearm (which doesn't address the question) and included people who are
not considered to be children.

[RogerN]

Saw on Facebook:

... You will love this one, I haven't stop laughing yet.

For those of you who have never traveled to the west, or southwest, cattle
guards are horizontal steel rails placed at fence openings, in dug-out
places in the roads adjacent to highways (sometimes across highways), to
prevent cattle from crossing over that area. For some reason the cattle will
not step on the "guards," probably because they fear getting their feet
caught between the rails.

A few months ago, President Obama received and was reading a report that
there were over 100,000 cattle guards in Colorado . The Colorado ranchers
had protested his proposed changes in grazing policies, so he ordered the
Secretary of the Interior to fire half of the "cattle" guards immediately!
Before the Secretary of the Interior could respond and presumably try to
straighten President Obama out on the matter, Vice-President Joe Biden,
intervened with a request that...before any "cattle" guards were fired, they
be given six months of retraining.

'Times are hard,' said Joe Biden, 'it's only fair to the cattle guards and
their families be given six months of retraining! '

And these two guys are running our country,

Passed on to you without further comment...

I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING - - - -

OH LORD HELP US!!!!

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>Saw on Facebook:
>
>... You will love this one, I haven't stop laughing yet.

Good Lord, this has got to be a hundred years old by now. Let me
check......

OK, at least the 1950's.......................

[Gray Guest]

"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
news:cIydnUJIc_YHDVDN...@earthlink.com:

All in the name of progress.

[Gray Guest]

Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ndlrc8dqmjrv41m5r...@4ax.com:

Amen, brother.

We will never cure this deisease for all time, but we can cure for our
childrens's generation, then it's thier repsonsibility.

>
>
> Gunner
>
> The methodology of the left has always been:
>
> 1. Lie
> 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
> 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
> 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
> 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
> 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
>

[Gray Guest]

F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dgkzs.1674$1k5.183
@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com:

1990s Rawanda. 1 million dead, mainly by machete. Yeah, that's the humane
alternative.

[RogerN]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
news:hs2sc8t397kgsqvrt...@4ax.com...

Way back from the time that Obama was born back in Kenya.

RogerN

[Fred C. Dobbs]

On 12/15/2012 10:37 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in
> news:XnsA12A830878E1FWe...@88.198.244.100:

>
>> Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in

>> news:26a49f1b-4644-445e-
>> 8f87-146...@r3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:

>>
>>> On Dec 14, 3:53 pm, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/
>>> How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_a...
>>>
>>> I bet you won't hear that one on FUX NOISE !!!
>>>
>>
>> What I want to hear is hom many kommisars and zipperheads are killed
>> each week by guns.
>>
>> Then we'll be getting somewhere.
>>
>
> I put the real stats up and no one has disputed or addressed them. The
> post is complete bullshit.

Of course they're bullshit - they were posted by hard left-wing ideologues.

In 2009, there were 15,241 homicides by any means, of which 9,146 were
by firearms, leaving about 6,100 non-firearms homicides - that is, there
were about 2/3 as many non-firearm homicides as firearm homicides. The
ratio of firearm homicides to non-firearm homicides seems to fluctuate
between 2:1 and 2.5:1. For example, in 2006, there were 17,030
homicides by any means, of which 10,225 were by firearms, leaving about
5,800 non-firearm homicides. That's a lot of non-firearm homicides.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

The UK, by contrast, has about 600 homicides a year. The UK also has
about 20% of the population of the US, so if we extrapolate their rate
to the US, we'd have about 3,000 total homicides a year here - that is,
about half as many as our *non-firearm* homicides. Now, consider that
if guns were entirely unavailable in the US, at least some of the
9,000-10,000 firearm homicides a year would be committed by some other
means.

The simple fact is, this is an extremely violent country, with a high
tolerance for violence, and guns are a *symptom*, not a cause, of that
violence.


--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

[F. George McDuffee]

OP lost

<snip>

>> Give me 3 examples where someone killed 20 school children in under 2
>> minutes, using only a hammer, machete, meat cleaver, or somesuch...
>>
>> Actually, just give me a single example of someone killing 20 school
>> children in under 2 minutes without using firearms...

<snip>

=============

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

The only reason this wasn't a thousand times worse was than
moon-bat crazy cultists are lousy chemists.
----------------

As indicated in another post I made on this topic, one of
the mandated check list items that a FEDERAL agency, under
the terrorism statutes >>should<< be investigating is any
connection to end-of-the-world cults. What happened to the
reported perp that escaped in Newtown? Was this yet another
example of the low factual standards of American reporting &
media?

The reason a Federal agency must be involved is that local
law enforcement lacks the resources, skill and knowledge
(and in too many cases the will) to conduct an adequate, in
depth investigation, and in many cases locals are involved
if only through omission, e.g. had the perp been to social
services/ERs/area or school medical providers complaining of
severe or persistent head aches, black outs or voices saying
"mean things?"

We have no data (but excessive amounts of perceptions and
impressions), and are operating entirely on urban myth and
legend. While it is most likely futile, here is a proposal
I sent to my Congressional representatives for an concrete
action plan that just *MAY* accomplish something if any
attention is paid to the findings of the proposed "Incident
Investigation Board." A major concern is the enormous and
rapid shift to ultra high population density mega urban
areas by a majority of people in all parts of the world.
This is totally new and some humans may not be able to adapt
to these novel circumstances.

You can identify you Congresspeople and their web mail sites
at http:/www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov

For any one that would like some suggestions for their own
letter to Congress, here is a copy of the email I sent.
Feel free to use any, all or none of it.

===== start of email (edited) =====

PERCEIVED RISE IN INCIDENTS OF MASS MURDER IN THE UNITED
STATES

To:
Senator Roberts
Senator Moran
Representative Lynn Jenkins

Info CC:
Representative Pompeo
National Rifle Association

From:
Dr. George McDuffee

Date:
Friday 14 December 2012

Subject:
Apparent increase in incidents of mass murder in the United
States.

RE:
http://www.wbtv.com/category/253474/newtown-ct-elementary-school-shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/12/justice/oregon-mall-shooting-victims/index.html
and too many others...



The reason for this letter is that it is clear no effective
actions have been or are being taken to identify, quantify
or ameliorate this apparently [rapidly] increasing NATIONAL
“problem.” It is thus up to Congress to enact legislation
to force the accountable authorities to collect and preserve
all relevant evidence, and to force the accountable
authorities to conduct “boards of inquiry” or inquests ==>on
the NTSB model<==, using the best available statistical
techniques and subject matter experts, backed with the
threat of criminal law with sever organizational and
individual sanctions including heavy fines, and in repeat or
egregious cases, individual prison terms. A criminal trial,
with full Constitutional safeguards, will still be required
to adjudicate guilt including auxiliary crimes such as
illegal weapons sales.

The first step in remedying any problem is to identify the
problem rather than simply compiling a laundry list of
symptoms. Indeed in this context, there are most likely
several problems, and one of the least productive procedures
is to continue to rely on what “everyone knows,” and “they
say.”

What is suggested is that by Federal law any incident
involving the murder or apparent murder of more than 5
individuals [revise number as desired], including the
presumed perpetrator if they are deceased, is automatically
a Federal crime under the Terrorism statutes, and the
following prescribed protocol for the mandatory collection
and preservation of evidence, including chain of custody, is
imposed on the immediate responders [local law enforcement]
and the designated Federal agency, which should act as
primarily as a central information clearing house and
repository, and provide expedited/emergency physical
evidence testing and data search capabilities.

1. Blood, saliva, urine, nasal swab, and hair samples shall
be taken as quickly as possible after arrest from all
apprehended individuals, dead or alive for
expedited/priority testing for known and unknown substances
including but not limited to legal and street drugs, heavy
metals, and unusual concentrations [high or low] of normal
constituents. A variety of tests should be used to insure
any “substances of interest” are detected, and a neutron
activation analysis of the hair samples should be conducted
to detect drug/substance abuse in the recent past. It will
be the responsibility of the first responders/local law
enforcement to collect and preserve these samples, using
local medical facilities/personnel. A protocol may need to
be detailed such as keeping the blood and other samples
refrigerated and uncontaminated, e.g. the actions of the
detective that carried around the test vial of O. J.
Simpson's blood for several hours in his pocket.
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/04/us/focus-shifts-to-physical-evidence-in-simpson-case.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

2. As soon as practicable, a CAT scan should be performed
on any arrested perpetrators or their recovered bodies
[unless they died of a head wound, in which case an autopsy
would be required], and they should be tested for
neurological diseases, such as tertiary syphilis, known to
produce irrational behavior.
the streets]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman#Autopsy_and_burial
<snip>
An autopsy conducted upon the body of Charles
Whitman—approved by his father—was performed at the Cook
Funeral Home on August 2. The autopsy discovered a
glioblastoma (a highly aggressive and invariably fatal brain
tumor) in the hypothalamus (the white matter located above
the brain stem). This tumor would have proven fatal by the
end of the year in which Whitman died. Experts on the
subsequently-convened "Connally Commission" concluded the
tumor may have played a significant role in Whitman's
actions on August 1. The document also stated that this
lesion "conceivably could have contributed to his inability
to control his emotions and actions."
<snip>

3. As soon as the identity of the presumed perpetrators is
established, the state authorities, who will have the
required record access, can search medical, psychological
and pharmaceutical records, and these records or certified
copies can be seized under emergency public safety warrants
or exigent circumstances. These records may not be
admissible in a criminal trial, but the concern at this
point is public safety, not criminal liability. Certified
copies of local law enforcement and social services data
including arrests, convictions, field interrogation notes,
social service referrals, mental health commitments, etc.
should also be included in the growing data base. The
responsible Federal agency should be on scene by this time,
and should enter and cross reference this information,
particularly looking for drug interactions, and physical
symptoms such as frequent and severe headaches or blackouts
among other items.

4. The responsible Federal investigative agency should also
extract or have extracted data such as military service
records, international travel [ICE entry/exits], NCIC
criminal records, BATF firearm purchase
approvals/rejections (with reasons), TSA no-fly tags (with
reasons), etc. and should consolidate/cross index this data.

5. With the data consolidated and reviewed, more than
likely other areas of interest will be discovered such as
membership in or close association with groups, gangs, or
cults/sects. These groups must be “vetted,” and if known
or suspected to be antisocial, their records, membership
lists and bank accounts/financial records seized under
emergency public safety warrants or exigent circumstances,
and the relevant data entered into the data base. Local law
enforcement will prove to be critical in local
investigations, but if “foot dragging” or other obfuscation
by local law enforcement is detected/suspected because of
possible local involvement/culpability such as medical
malpractice (e.g. KKK investigations in the old south),
federal investigation will be required, and some federal
investigations should occur in any event as a “quality
control” or cross check.

6. A detailed and in depth psychological analysis on any
perps captured alive, and postmortem psychological profile
and analysis should be performed ASAP using recognized and
qualified authorities and instruments/protocols including
but not limited to psychologists, psychiatrists, and
criminal profilers. This psych eval should be updated as
new information becomes available during the investigation,
with the intention of developing a predictive instrument for
mental specialists, as in far too many cases the perps had
rationally sought medical/psychological/social help and were
“shined off.” Copycat incidents are also a concern, and
efforts should be made to identify individuals particularly
susceptible, and suggested ameliorative/preventative
measures, such as a prohibition on watching violent movies
or playing violent video games, much as an alcoholic can be
prohibited by court order from patronizing bars, purchasing
alcohol or driving.

7. The key step is the required convening of an “Incident
Investigation Board” to evaluate the totality of the
available evidence collected in steps 1-6, with subpoena
power to compel the production of additional documents/data
and testimony under oath, with the objective of determining
exactly what occurred, why it occurred, proximate causes,
chain of causality, contributing factors, and suggested
ameliorative actions. It will be critical that a wide
variety of subject matter experts such as
statisticians/actuaries, forensic psychiatrists, NIMH/CDC
representatives (novel drugs or drug interactions), medical
doctors with experience in head injuries and PTSD,
ethnographers, sociologists, anthropologists, and
demographers, among many academic specialties be included in
addition to law enforcement/legal representatives and
specialists such as criminal profilers.

In my opinion the worst case conclusions of the IIB would
be:

I. There is a new designer drug (or new food additive) loose
on the streets, possibly with accidental contamination or
variation, which produces uncontrollable murderous rage with
unimpaired cognitive/planning functions in some susceptible
users in the manner of the legendary Norse berserkers, in
which case the only effect of a total firearms ban would be
to change the weapons used; and/or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker
http://www.businessinsider.com/another-slasher-runs-amok-in-china-school-2012-12

II. One or more moon-bat crazy domestic doomsday cults have
formed, with the objective of mass murder to promote the
arrival of the “end of days.” In this particular case, even
an absolute prohibition of firearms will have no effect,
e.g. the sarin gas attacks on the Tokyo subways.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_%28Manson_scenario%29

III. An increasing fraction of the human race is being
forced into residence in massive ultra high [population]
density urban environments and are unable to cope.

===== end of email =====

Calling each other rude names is accomplishing nothing.

It would also be useful to form an international team or
working group to compare/correlate data from other
countries/societies/cultures, as the U.S. is not unique in
this phenomena, which seems to be increasing world wide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
>news:hs2sc8t397kgsqvrt...@4ax.com...
>
>>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>Saw on Facebook:
>>>
>>>... You will love this one, I haven't stop laughing yet.
>>
>>Good Lord, this has got to be a hundred years old by now. Let me
>>check......
>>
>>OK, at least the 1950's.......................
>
>Way back from the time that Obama was born back in Kenya.

Oh, did you find that birth certificate?

[chuckle]

[Gunner]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:42:18 +1100, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

I wonder if they will ban alarm clocks?

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/NEWS/70920020

Tornados...ban Tornados NOW!!!

Ban School Buses AND Trains!!! Now!!! Do it for da chillins!!

http://m.thetelegraph.com/mobile/news/article_0451f5ba-30ae-11e2-b3c1-001a4bcf6878.html

Ban The Middle East!!! Do it for da children!!!

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html


Ban candy!!!! Ban sewer plants!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/13/international/13cnd-iraq.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I wonder if they want me to continue?

[Gunner]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:17:57 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:

>F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dgkzs.1674$1k5.183
>@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com:
>
>> PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>> "RogerN"<re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
>>> news:iLKdnRORFaWdl1HN...@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> if you just remove guns, those who want to murder will just use a
>>>> different tool.
>>>
>>> Give me 3 examples where someone killed 20 school children in under 2
>>> minutes, using only a hammer, machete, meat cleaver, or somesuch...
>>>
>>> Actually, just give me a single example of someone killing 20 school
>>> children in under 2 minutes without using firearms...
>>>
>>>
>> Because there are firearms,remove them and then see what methods are
>used.
>> There are many methods by which you could kill many people that do not
>> involve firearms which would happen if you succeeded in removing them as
>> the removal would not change the perpetrators will to commit such
>> atrocities.
>>
>>
>
>1990s Rawanda. 1 million dead, mainly by machete. Yeah, that's the humane
>alternative.

But only if they are really sharp.

[columbiaaccidentinvestigation]

On Dec 16, 12:12 pm, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:17:57 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> >F Murtz <hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dgkzs.1674$1k5.183

your like a perpetual idiot machine, i dont think you have the self
control to stop

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
>
> I wonder if they will ban alarm clocks?
>
> http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/NEWS/70920020
>
> Tornados...ban Tornados NOW!!!
>
> Ban School Buses AND Trains!!! Now!!! Do it for da chillins!!
>
> http://m.thetelegraph.com/mobile/news/article_0451f5ba-30ae-11e2-b3c1-001a4bcf6878.html
>
> Ban The Middle East!!! Do it for da children!!!
>
> http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html
>
> Ban candy!!!! Ban sewer plants!!!!
>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/13/international/13cnd-iraq.html?pagewanted=all?_r=0

>
> I wonder if they want me to continue?

You left out 'Electrical substations' railroad switchyards' &
'junkyards'.

[Bret Cahill]

> Way back from the time that Obama was born back in Kenya.

It's worse than that. Ever notice you never see Obama and ET at the
same press conference at the same time?

[RogerN]

"Bret Cahill" wrote in message
news:331a9bf8-755a-4b1f...@s6g2000pby.googlegroups.com...

>> Way back from the time that Obama was born back in Kenya.
>
>It's worse than that. Ever notice you never see Obama and ET at the
>same press conference at the same time?

I don't think ET has anything to do with it. I have noticed that I've never
seen Obama and Santa Clause a the same time, and you know all these gifts
and all this debt... Obama Clause! Yep! .. at taxpayer expense, or at
least debt.

RogerN

[RD Sandman]

"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
news:s5ydnR9DwZXOmVPN...@earthlink.com:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/humor/cattleguards.asp

[Fred C. Dobbs]

What's funny is how the people who recirculate the urban legend have no
idea how old it is.

[RD Sandman]

"Fred C. Dobbs" <trea...@sierramadre.con> wrote in
news:g7adnR0AnY_f5VPN...@giganews.com:

Yep, although some of them get updated so that they read more modern.

[Area-52-Men-In-Black]

On Friday, December 14, 2012 3:53:06 PM UTC-5, Transition Zone wrote:
> -- http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_are_killed_each_year_by_gun_accidents

Did any of you fucktards ever wonder, that if the principal of this school who charged the gunman and was killed, had a gun herself, would she have shot the frikin autistic asshole herself and protected at least some of the students in her school?

This is why every principal needs both an M16 and a 45-semiauto pistol at least.

That's my definition of gun control.

[Gunner]

Oh yeah! Them too!!

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article <7107f2d9-3438-42fb...@googlegroups.com>,

See:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Lott-guns-Connecticut-shooting/2012/12/1
5/id/467903?s=al&promo_code=111CB-1

[Tom Gardner]

On 12/15/2012 10:04 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> What is fux noise? I can't find that on the web.
>
>
> A lame slam at FOX NEWS.
>

You mean the Fox News that was voted the most trusted news outlet? THAT
Fox News"
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/3rd-annual-tv-news-trust-poll.html

[Gunner]

3rd Annual TV News Trust Poll

PPP's 3rd annual TV news trust poll (2011 version here, 2010 version
here) finds that Fox News tops the list for both the source Americans
trust the most and the one they trust the least.

Fox is the most trusted TV news source for 34% of voters, followed by
PBS at 17%, CNN at 12%, ABC News at 11%, CBS News at 8%, MSNBC at 5%,
and Comedy Central and NBC each at 4%.

68% of Republicans pick Fox as their most trusted source, with no one
else even hitting double digits. Democrats split closely three ways
with PBS at 21%, ABC News at 19%, and CNN at 17%. Despite having a
reputation for appealing to the left MSNBC actually polls in only 6th
place among Democrats at 8%, finishing slightly behind even Fox News'
9%. Independents split almost evenly between Fox News (29%) and PBS
(27%).

Fox is also the least trusted TV news source for 34% of voters,
followed by Comedy Central at 16%, MSNBC at 15%, CNN at 11%, ABC News
at 7%, CBS News at 5%, PBS at 2%, and NBC News at 1%.

Democrats (53-17 over Comedy Central) and independents (44-13 over
Comedy Central) both overwhelmingly say Fox is their least trusted
news source. Republicans go for MSNBC by a 28-23 margin over CNN,
followed by Comedy Central at 18% and ABC News at 10%.

In addition to asking the single network voters trusted the most and
least, we also asked them to say whether they trusted each individual
source. Here's how they came out from net most trusted to least,
compared with the previous two polls:

(see link for chart)

-For the second year in a row PBS easily comes out ahead as the outlet
the most people trust, even if it isn't necessarily the one they trust
the most.

-In general trust in television news has been on the rise over the
last two years. Trust in NBC News is up 15 points compared to 2010,
CBS and ABC News are both up by 12 points, and CNN is up by 6 points.
The only outlet in worse shape than it was 2 years ago is Fox News,
which is down 9 points. But they're still headed in the right
direction- they're up 7 points from 2011 after dropping by 16 points
between 2010 and 2011.

-Democrats trust everything- except Fox News. NBC does the best with
them at +50 (67/17), followed by PBS and CNN at +49 (66/17 and 65/16
respectively), ABC at +38 (57/19), CBS at +35 (58/23), MSNBC at +33
(56/23), and even Comedy Central at +4 (36/32). Fox News comes in at
-36 (25/61).

-Republicans meanwhile don't trust anything except Fox News. PBS comes
the closest to breaking even among non-Fox outlets, although not very
close, at -30 (26/56). It's followed by CNN at -49 (18/67), MSNBC at
-51 (18/69), NBC at -52 (17/69), CBS at -54 (17/71), ABC at -56
(14/70), and Comedy Central at -59 (12/71). But Fox News comes in at a
stellar 73/17.

Independents are with the Democrats. They trust everything except Fox
News. Main takeaway from this poll: tv news has become just as
polarizing as the political parties in this country."


Its undeniably fascinating that the network with the lowest believable
content..NBC (exploding gas tanks, Bush desertion etc etc) is the #1
news source for Democrats.

Brings to mind Ronald Reagans statement:

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know
so many things that aren't so.”


Gunner

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner wrote:
>
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:27:39 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"

> ?mike.t...@earthlink.net? wrote:
>
> ?
> ?Gunner wrote:
> ??
> ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
> ??
> ?? I wonder if they will ban alarm clocks?
> ??
> ?? http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/NEWS/70920020
> ??
> ?? Tornados...ban Tornados NOW!!!
> ??
> ?? Ban School Buses AND Trains!!! Now!!! Do it for da chillins!!
> ??
> ?? http://m.thetelegraph.com/mobile/news/article_0451f5ba-30ae-11e2-b3c1-001a4bcf6878.html
> ??
> ?? Ban The Middle East!!! Do it for da children!!!
> ??
> ?? http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html
> ??
> ?? Ban candy!!!! Ban sewer plants!!!!
> ??
> ?? http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/13/international/13cnd-iraq.html?pagewanted=all?_r=0
> ??
> ?? I wonder if they want me to continue?
> ?
> ?
> ? You left out 'Electrical substations' railroad switchyards' ?
> ?'junkyards'.
>
> Oh yeah! Them too!!


Some woman tried to sue the power company after her kid got killed
after he dug under the fence to steal copper wire and touched a live
wire. They should have sued her for having defective spawn.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

It's true.
http://www.myfoxal.com/Global/story.asp?S=17232807

[Gunner]

To be slightly politically insensitive...dare I ask the race of the
kid?

Gunner

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner wrote:

>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > Some woman tried to sue the power company after her kid got killed

> ?after he dug under the fence to steal copper wire and touched a live
> ?wire. They should have sued her for having defective spawn.

>
> To be slightly politically insensitive...dare I ask the race of the
> kid?

You know, without having to ask. She was so ignorant that she wanted
the substation removed, and 'them wires taken down!!!' Then she ranted
that it was put in a low income area, because the rich white people
didn'[t want it. She was foaming at the mouth, and screaming that her
kid wasn't at fault just like you see on so many events covered on the
local TV news. The kid wasn't at fault, even though he'd dug under the
alarmed gate of the security fence and had bolt cutters for the heavy
cables?