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The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2 over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
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1/3 of land cooling
May 26, 2012, 9:36:42 PM5/26/12
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The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2 over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
kym horsell
May 27, 2012, 12:34:47 AM5/27/12
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On Sunday, May 27, 2012 11:36:42 AM UTC+10, 1/3 of land cooling wrote:
> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2 over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
Ah. The one point comparison.
> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2 over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
What proportion of the land was cooling down before 70 years ago?
Do you have a graph or is it all in your imagination?
--
Accentuating the positive:
Plague had been around in England for centuries but in 1665 the so-called Great Plague hit the country - though it was Stuart London that took the worst of the plague. The plague was only finally brought under control in 1666 when the Great Fire of London burned down the areas most affected by plague -– the city slums inhabited by the poor.
Dawlish
May 27, 2012, 5:13:42 AM5/27/12
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On May 27, 2:36 am, "1/3 of land cooling" <skeptic....@gmail.com>
wrote:
means to him. It obviously means something, or he wouldn't have
started *6* threads on the same topic. You've now got to; "ACTUALLY
COOL down", which implies the same significance with the shouting that
you alluded to before, so explain fully what this fact means to you,
one-track-pony.
wrote:
> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2 over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
Another thread on the same topic without explaining what this actually
means to him. It obviously means something, or he wouldn't have
started *6* threads on the same topic. You've now got to; "ACTUALLY
COOL down", which implies the same significance with the shouting that
you alluded to before, so explain fully what this fact means to you,
one-track-pony.
Tom P
May 27, 2012, 5:34:51 AM5/27/12
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On 05/27/2012 03:36 AM, 1/3 of land cooling wrote:
> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2 over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
I assume that you are referring to the BEST raw data, or where do you
> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2 over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
get the number from?
SunDancer
May 27, 2012, 5:51:17 AM5/27/12
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Dawlish wrote :
--
The Dawlish : Weather is not climate unless I say it is.
>> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2
>> over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
header restored.
>> over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
--
The Dawlish : Weather is not climate unless I say it is.
Dawlish
May 27, 2012, 5:55:30 AM5/27/12
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you, dancer? pony is hiding under his rock, afraid to explain it.
Perhaps you'd like to.
Tom P
May 27, 2012, 7:08:27 PM5/27/12
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On 05/27/2012 11:51 AM, SunDancer wrote:
> Dawlish wrote :
>>> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
>>> of CO2 over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to
>>> ACTUALLY COOL down.
>
> header restored.
>
1/3olc is referring to the BEST study, but somehow is incapable of
> Dawlish wrote :
>>> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
>>> of CO2 over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to
>>> ACTUALLY COOL down.
>
> header restored.
>
understanding what it says in the findings.
http://berkeleyearth.org/pdf/berkeley-earth-summary-20-october-2011.pdf
kym horsell
May 27, 2012, 9:08:19 PM5/27/12
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are in.
Dividing the world into 10x10 deg grids we find before 1942 30% of them
were showing a cooling trend and 37% were warming.
After 1942 the numbers switched to 27% coooling and 42% warming.
So really it just confirms that "1/3 of land is cooling" but that is
nothing inconsistent with GW proceeding and -- in fact -- accelerating in
the amount of land area that's warming.
--
[On substance vs surface:]
>Did anyone else try to check his "data"?
I did. Nope. Very messy and slow website.
-- SunDancer@Saginaw, 18 May 2012 6:29:45 PM UTC+10
kym horsell
May 27, 2012, 10:30:57 PM5/27/12
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On Monday, May 28, 2012 11:08:19 AM UTC+10, kym horsell wrote:
> On Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:55:30 PM UTC+10, Dawlish wrote:
> > On May 27, 10:51 am, SunDancer <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > > Dawlish wrote :
> > >
> > > >> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2
> > > >> over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
> > >
> > > header restored.
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Dawlish : Weather is not climate unless I say it is.
> >
> > What does the fact that 1/3 of the land surface has cooled mean to
> > you, dancer? pony is hiding under his rock, afraid to explain it.
> > Perhaps you'd like to.
>
> After a few hours of crunching on old "Exaflops" (*) at least my numbers
> are in.
>
> Dividing the world into 10x10 deg grids we find before 1942 30% of them
> were showing a cooling trend and 37% were warming.
> After 1942 the numbers switched to 27% coooling and 42% warming.
...
> On Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:55:30 PM UTC+10, Dawlish wrote:
> > On May 27, 10:51 am, SunDancer <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > > Dawlish wrote :
> > >
> > > >> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2
> > > >> over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
> > >
> > > header restored.
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Dawlish : Weather is not climate unless I say it is.
> >
> > What does the fact that 1/3 of the land surface has cooled mean to
> > you, dancer? pony is hiding under his rock, afraid to explain it.
> > Perhaps you'd like to.
>
> After a few hours of crunching on old "Exaflops" (*) at least my numbers
> are in.
>
> Dividing the world into 10x10 deg grids we find before 1942 30% of them
> were showing a cooling trend and 37% were warming.
> After 1942 the numbers switched to 27% coooling and 42% warming.
And perhaps more interestingly -- of the before & after cooling areas
only about 10% is in common.
It seems the cooling regions have been moving around. :)
(*) <http://kymhorsell.dyndns.org/gozilla2004.jpg>
1/3 of land cooling
May 28, 2012, 7:45:29 AM5/28/12
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On Monday, May 28, 2012 1:08:19 PM UTC+12, kym horsell wrote:
> On Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:55:30 PM UTC+10, Dawlish wrote:
> > On May 27, 10:51 am, SunDancer <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > > Dawlish wrote :
> > >
> > > >> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2
> > > >> over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
> > >
> > > header restored.
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Dawlish : Weather is not climate unless I say it is.
> >
> > What does the fact that 1/3 of the land surface has cooled mean to
> > you, dancer? pony is hiding under his rock, afraid to explain it.
> > Perhaps you'd like to.
>
> After a few hours of crunching on old "Exaflops" (*) at least my numbers
> are in.
<
< Dividing the world into 10x10 deg grids we find before 1942 30% of them
< were showing a cooling trend and 37% were warming.
< After 1942 the numbers switched to 27% coooling and 42% warming.
<
< So really it just confirms that "1/3 of land is cooling" but that is
< nothing inconsistent with GW proceeding and -- in fact -- accelerating in
< the amount of land area that's warming.
An interesting calculation, but meaningless unless you provide the following information:
> On Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:55:30 PM UTC+10, Dawlish wrote:
> > On May 27, 10:51 am, SunDancer <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > > Dawlish wrote :
> > >
> > > >> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%) of CO2
> > > >> over the last 70 years, has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
> > >
> > > header restored.
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Dawlish : Weather is not climate unless I say it is.
> >
> > What does the fact that 1/3 of the land surface has cooled mean to
> > you, dancer? pony is hiding under his rock, afraid to explain it.
> > Perhaps you'd like to.
>
> After a few hours of crunching on old "Exaflops" (*) at least my numbers
> are in.
<
< Dividing the world into 10x10 deg grids we find before 1942 30% of them
< were showing a cooling trend and 37% were warming.
< After 1942 the numbers switched to 27% coooling and 42% warming.
<
< So really it just confirms that "1/3 of land is cooling" but that is
< nothing inconsistent with GW proceeding and -- in fact -- accelerating in
< the amount of land area that's warming.
- What is the starting date for the temperature data that you used?
- When are you claiming that AGW started? You appear to have decided that it was 1942. However, approximatelt 1/2 of the warming in the last 100 years occurred before 1942 (according to GISS and HadCrut). What caused this warming?
kym horsell
May 28, 2012, 9:36:28 AM5/28/12
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--
[From the Land of the Long Flat River:]
AGW theory can NOT explain why 1/3 of the land has cooled over the
last 70 years.
The scientific findings are NOT consistent with AGW theory. If
Alarmists can not find a reasonable explanation for why/how 1/3 of the
land has cooled over that last 70 years, then AGW theory is rejected
(that is how science works, ask a scientist).
-- 2/3 of land not cooling@Auckland, 25 May 2012
Tyndall predicted [in 1861] that greenhouse warming should cause nights to
warm faster than days. [...]
Tyndall anticipated winters warming faster than summers. [...]
With heat being trapped, we expect to see the lower atmosphere to warm.
But with less heat escaping to space and more carbon dioxide in
the stratosphere, we also expect to see the upper atmosphere cool. [...]
With the lower atmosphere [...] warming and the upper atmosphere [...]
cooling, the boundary between the troposphere and stratosphere, otherwise
known as the tropopause, should rise as a consequence of
greenhouse warming.
-- http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=586
AGWFacts
May 28, 2012, 3:59:36 PM5/28/12
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
<skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> of CO2 over the last 70 years,
You mean 55 years.
<skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> of CO2 over the last 70 years,
> has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
years. =YAWN!= About 100% of Earth's oceans have warmed, and about
71% of Earth's land areas have warmed. Scientists know why.
--
"A 'crank' is defined as a man who cannot be turned." --- _Nature_, 8 Nov 1906
1/3 of land cooling
May 28, 2012, 5:04:04 PM5/28/12
to AGWF...@1800reality.com
On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:59:36 AM UTC+12, AGWFacts wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
> <skeptic....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> > of CO2 over the last 70 years,
>
> You mean 55 years.
>
> > has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
==========
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
> <skeptic....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> > of CO2 over the last 70 years,
>
> You mean 55 years.
>
> > has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
=> Yes, about 29% of Earth's land areas has cooled in the past 100
=> years. =YAWN!= About 100% of Earth's oceans have warmed, and about
=> 71% of Earth's land areas have warmed. Scientists know why.
Why don't the scientists ever tell us why so much of the land has cooled?
=YAWN=
Perhaps YOU could tell us. Dawlish and erschroedinger don't seem to be able to tell us.
=YAWN=
kym horsell
May 28, 2012, 5:27:45 PM5/28/12
to AGWF...@1800reality.com
On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:59:36 AM UTC+10, AGWFacts wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
> <skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> > of CO2 over the last 70 years,
>
> You mean 55 years.
...
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
> <skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> > of CO2 over the last 70 years,
>
> You mean 55 years.
For a stickler on 3 decimal places, the guy is a bit loose with his numbers.
--
[On statistical significance:]
If 60% of the oceans have no significant trend for surface temps, and
15% show a cooling trend, doesn't that mean that 75% of the oceans
show either no significant warming or cooling?
-- 1/3 of land cooling@auckland, 16 May 2012 02:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
AGWFacts
May 28, 2012, 10:37:57 PM5/28/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 13:59:36 -0600, AGWFacts
<AGWF...@1800reality.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
> <skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> > of CO2 over the last 70 years,
>
> You mean 55 years.
>
> > has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
>
> Yes, about 29% of Earth's land areas has cooled in the past 100
> years. =YAWN!= About 100% of Earth's oceans have warmed, and about
> 71% of Earth's land areas have warmed. Scientists know why.
I'm sorry: I should have written "have cooled," not "has cooled."
<AGWF...@1800reality.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
> <skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> > of CO2 over the last 70 years,
>
> You mean 55 years.
>
> > has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
>
> Yes, about 29% of Earth's land areas has cooled in the past 100
> years. =YAWN!= About 100% of Earth's oceans have warmed, and about
> 71% of Earth's land areas have warmed. Scientists know why.
AGWFacts
May 28, 2012, 10:40:23 PM5/28/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 14:04:04 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
<skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 13:59:36 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@1800reality.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
> > <skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> > > of CO2 over the last 70 years,
> >
> > You mean 55 years.
> >
> > > has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
> >
<skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 13:59:36 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@1800reality.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
> > <skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> > > of CO2 over the last 70 years,
> >
> > You mean 55 years.
> >
> > > has allowed 1/3 of the land to ACTUALLY COOL down.
> >
> > Yes, about 29% of Earth's land areas has cooled in the past 100
> > years. =YAWN!= About 100% of Earth's oceans have warmed, and about
> > 71% of Earth's land areas have warmed. Scientists know why.
> Why don't the scientists ever tell us why so much of the land has cooled?
Fallacy of Fraudulent Declarative.
> Why don't the scientists ever tell us why so much of the land has cooled?
AGWFacts
May 28, 2012, 10:41:54 PM5/28/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 14:27:45 -0700 (PDT), kym horsell
<kymho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:59:36 AM UTC+10, AGWFacts wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
> > <skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> > > of CO2 over the last 70 years,
> > You mean 55 years.
> ...
>
> For a stickler on 3 decimal places, the guy is a bit loose with his numbers.
"tunderbar" didn't leap forward and correct his cult pal: he
<kymho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:59:36 AM UTC+10, AGWFacts wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "1/3 of land cooling"
> > <skept...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The greenhouse effect is so weak, that an increase of 80 ppm (25.8%)
> > > of CO2 over the last 70 years,
> > You mean 55 years.
> ...
>
> For a stickler on 3 decimal places, the guy is a bit loose with his numbers.
claimed over 200 times that it's only 14 ppm!
gordo
May 28, 2012, 10:51:01 PM5/28/12
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about trends, warming and cooling. Get someone to explain to you what
the 1/3 means in terms of the over all trend. Perhaps you have a niece
or nephew in about grade 8 or 9 who can explain it to you. You
continue to be an embarrassment to almost all of us here with your
silly name and understanding of how little the 1/3 actually means.
Come back with a new name because from now on you should be called
troll alert .
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