Selling liquor to Underage Persons
IFC
"In line with the current initiative by the RGP in the enforcement of
the Children & Young Persons (Alcohol, Tobacco and Gaming) Ordinance
2006, the owner of two shops in Main Street was reported for process
for selling intoxicating liquor to a person under the age of 16 years,
for not displaying the notice concerning the sale of alcohol to
underage persons, for not displaying the notice concerning the sale of
tobacco to underage persons and for not being in possession of a Wine
Merchant licence for one of the shops.
This person will be appearing in court in due course."
I hope the shops in question have their trade licence taken away.
Luke Croll
Do we know which shops they are?
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Jim Watt
I imagine its a fine rather than putting them out of business,
perhaps you would prefer re-instating public hangings at
casemates ?
No doubt all the shops are being careful, hope I don't have
to produce an ID card in order to buy a drink, as one may
be requested to do in the USA ...
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Ken
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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My son was asked to prove his age when asking to buy a beer in a Casemates
establishment last July. He duly produced his Gib ID card which showed him
to be above the minimum age, and the beer was produced for the going rate.
Those in line with the law need have no fear.
I only wish I had appeared young enough to have been asked to produce ID!
K
Ken
"IFC" <stevemc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Read the above - they did not have a licence in one of the shops. THAT one
at least cannot be revoked! Certaily all other licences they have should be
revoked, hefty fines imposed (as a punishment to them and a deterrent to
others) IF found guilty - let us not prejudge the outcome!
K
Jim Watt
wrote:
>Read the above - they did not have a licence in one of the shops. THAT one
>at least cannot be revoked! Certaily all other licences they have should be
>revoked, hefty fines imposed (as a punishment to them and a deterrent to
>others) IF found guilty - let us not prejudge the outcome!
you all seem to be very authoritarian ...
Heavens, whats next, prohibition ?
IFC
> Read the above - they did not have a licence in one of the shops. THAT one
> at least cannot be revoked! Certaily all other licences they have should be
> revoked, hefty fines imposed (as a punishment to them and a deterrent to
> others) IF found guilty - let us not prejudge the outcome!
>
> K
I said Trade Licence not their booze licence.
Thanks
Steve
Jim Watt
You need a trade licence to import goods, I doubt that
any of the shops in Main Street selling booze have a
trade licence as its all bought from wholesalers.
The ordinance is a new law and naturally there are going
to be those who break it. If you read it, there is probably
a fine for a first offence.
As we have managed for a long time without such a law and
unlike other places we do not see people huddled in doorways
of a nightime drinking and sleeping rough, nor has there
been any particular incidents of herds of drunken schoolkids
I question whether its needed.
Gibraltar has traditionally had a more relaxed and sensible
attitude to alcohol than the United Kingdom and myself I
prefer that than 'the man' telling me how to behave.
I also recall slipping down the pub aged 15 at lunchtime and
having a half of bitter. Whilst in America recently had to
produce my Gib ID card a couple of times to get a beer because
it was a legal requirement to be over 21 and prove it.
On this matter I agree with Roger in Viz.
Ken
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
No - but one cannot be selective as to whcih law is obeyed and which is not.
It is also incumbent on the authorities to ensure the laws there are are
just
K
Jim Watt
wrote:
We get shedloads of new laws every year, the only people it
really benefits are the lawyers.
Ken
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
The majority of these laws are procedural instruments rather than laws
governing - some might say limiting - the behaviour of the average man in
the street. This one on underage drinking does. Some may see it as a
sledgehammer to crack a nut. I agree there has historically not been much of
a problem with drunkedness on the streets, and socially there does not exist
major problem in Gib as does exist in othe parts of Europe. There always
have been and probably always be individuals who abuse alcohol to a great
extent.
It is also true that while small overall there has been an increase in
alcohol abuse of late, associated with unruly behaviour among certain
sectors, youths in particular. It is far better to get strict now when most
horses have not bolted than try to react too late in the day when such
behaviour has become mainstream. If that means that an occasional well
behaved 14 yr old cannot enjoy a shandy in the presence of his/her parents
in public, it is IMHO a small price to pay for the sake of orderly conduct
as a whole. I trust that in the fulness of time the police (who have a
difficult job at times) will apply strict observance of this law where it is
needed - gang of youths drinking unsupervised - and leave alone the family
group with their shandys and red wine topped up with lemonade.
However for shopkeepers there should be no exceptions - appropriate warning
signs, appropriate licence, due care and attention when selling alcohol and
tobacco. In Gib where like the rest of Europe bar the UK there are no
hangups about ID cards there should be no difficulty in demonstrating to
shopkeepers and constables ones age.
Please do NOT compare Gib with the US in this regard. The legal drinking age
there is 21, and there appears to be some puritanical "motherhood and apple
pie" driven hangup about the whole thing there. I found a curious quirk when
there on holiday some years ago. At a Walmart off Inernational Drive in
Orlando I found that my then 15 yr old could not legally enjoy a beer in the
privacy of our hotel room even with my consent. Yet my then 12yr old could
legally have possessed an automatic weapon.
I imagine the objection to underage drinking in the US arises from concers
about their ability to shoot straight when under the influence.
K
reboo...@gmail.com
> You need a trade licence to import goods, I doubt that
> any of the shops in Main Street selling booze have a
> trade licence as its all bought from wholesalers.
I think your find you need a trade licence if your based in Gibraltar
and are conducting bussiness.
> The ordinance is a new law and naturally there are goin> to be those who break it. If you read it, there is probably a fine for a first offence.
Bugger the first offence, you know whats going to happen. £250 fine
and they will keep doing the same, it's the same greedy shop owners who
will do anything for a quck buck.
> As we have managed for a long time without such a law and
> unlike other places we do not see people huddled in doorways
> of a nightime drinking and sleeping rough, nor has there
> been any particular incidents of herds of drunken schoolkids
> I question whether its needed.
I guess you have no teenage children.
> Gibraltar has traditionally had a more relaxed and sensible
> attitude to alcohol than the United Kingdom and myself I
> prefer that than 'the man' telling me how to behave.
Dont agree, most places in the world require you to 18 or 21 to buy
alcohol. not sixteen.
> I also recall slipping down the pub aged 15 at lunchtime and
> having a half of bitter. Whilst in America recently had to
> produce my Gib ID card a couple of times to get a beer because
> it was a legal requirement to be over 21 and prove it.
Was bitter invented back then :-)
Jim GM4DHJ
>Was bitter invented back then :-)
you are just asking for the JW swearing session .......
Jim Watt
>
>> You need a trade licence to import goods, I doubt that
>> any of the shops in Main Street selling booze have a
>> trade licence as its all bought from wholesalers.
>
>I think your find you need a trade licence if your based in Gibraltar
>and are conducting bussiness.
You need one to import goods, not necessarily to conduct a business.
>Bugger the first offence, you know whats going to happen. £250 fine
>and they will keep doing the same, it's the same greedy shop owners who
>will do anything for a quck buck.
I doubt their sales to a occasional kid make it worthwhile and the
principle of a small penalty on a first offence and larger ones later
is appropriate, particularly as its a new law. Not everyone reads
the Gibraltar gazette.
>> As we have managed for a long time without such a law and
>> unlike other places we do not see people huddled in doorways
>> of a nightime drinking and sleeping rough, nor has there
>> been any particular incidents of herds of drunken schoolkids
>> I question whether its needed.
>
>I guess you have no teenage children.
No, but I know some of them.
>> I also recall slipping down the pub aged 15 at lunchtime and
>> having a half of bitter. Whilst in America recently had to
>> produce my Gib ID card a couple of times to get a beer because
>> it was a legal requirement to be over 21 and prove it.
>
>Was bitter invented back then :-)
Yes and the bitter was better, and there was mild
on tap.