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UK General Election - Which Party best for Gibraltar

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Cybernest

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Apr 5, 2005, 8:26:53 PM4/5/05
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The result of the General Election announced yesterday by Tony Blair is
not at all clear. Whatever the result, as always, the new UK
Government will have a large impact on Gibraltar during its lifetime,
over the next five years.

A third consecutive term for a Labour Government will mean a
continuation of the current crisis with MoD and probably,
implementation of Contractorisation.

On the other hand, a Conservative Government, traditionally strong
defenders of Gibraltarian rights, certainly in Europe or a new Liberal
Government, may well rescind the MoD Policy and perhaps, hopefully,
more strongly defend Gibraltar in Europe, with a number of issues bound
to have a fundamental effect on the "financial centre" still to be
decided or appealed against.

In the light of these issues, which Party would you like to see win the
General Election? Which Party's Government would, in your opinion, have
the most beneficial effect on Gibraltar?

Gibraltar News Online has just published a Poll where you may express
your opinion and register your vote on this important issue.

If you are interested, you can find the Poll here:

http://www.gibraltarnewsonline.com/2005/04/uk-general-election-2005-poll.html

Saludos!

Cybernest
Publisher
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Gibraltar News Online Blog:
http://www.gibraltarnewsonline.com

Jim Watt

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Apr 6, 2005, 5:26:43 AM4/6/05
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On 5 Apr 2005 17:26:53 -0700, "Cybernest" <cybe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>The result of the General Election announced yesterday by Tony Blair is
>not at all clear. Whatever the result, as always, the new UK
>Government will have a large impact on Gibraltar during its lifetime,
>over the next five years.

Although constructed for the European Election, the information at

http://www.gibnet.com/election/

Still represents the current positions of the Labour and Conservative
parties and is worth reading by anyone who has an interest in
Gibraltar and a vote in the upcoming UK election.

If you are unsure whether you have the right to vote, which British
Citizens from the UK who have left withing the last 10 years may,
should consult

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/

Given that Michael Howard and his team have taken the trouble to
come to Gibraltar a number of times and have taken on board the
problems and troubles we have due to our intransigent neigbour
and the duplicity of certain members of the FCO, if I had a vote
the Conservatives would surely get it.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

Steve

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Apr 6, 2005, 11:18:08 AM4/6/05
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> Given that Michael Howard and his team have taken the trouble to
> come to Gibraltar a number of times and have taken on board the
> problems and troubles we have due to our intransigent neigbour
> and the duplicity of certain members of the FCO, if I had a vote
> the Conservatives would surely get it.


Here's my view, I don't trust Michael Howard one little bit. Give him
a chance and I think he would try and sell us out.

I know people will have a go back when I say I feel safer here with a
Blair government that a conservative any day. I could not believe
people voted for the conservatives for the euro vote after all it was
maggies government who started the talks with Spain in the 80's in
the first place, ok they got the frontier open but who benefited the
most Spain?
Because at this time this area of Spain was a scrap heap, No Jobs etc
etc.

After talking to my partners family who are Gibraltarian they say that
Gibraltar was at it's best when the frontier was closed and a lot
safer (you could leave you keys in your car). I think Spain would have
opened their borders with us in time with out any talks if only to use
our economy to their advantage (as they do now).

I know that queuing at the frontier is a pain, but at least the Spanish
police stop any known cretins from entering Gib and any known Gib
cretins from entering spain.

Jim Watt

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Apr 6, 2005, 1:24:24 PM4/6/05
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On 6 Apr 2005 08:18:08 -0700, "Steve" <st...@gibraltarian.net> wrote:

>> Given that Michael Howard and his team have taken the trouble to
>> come to Gibraltar a number of times and have taken on board the
>> problems and troubles we have due to our intransigent neigbour
>> and the duplicity of certain members of the FCO, if I had a vote
>> the Conservatives would surely get it.
>
>
>Here's my view, I don't trust Michael Howard one little bit. Give him
>a chance and I think he would try and sell us out.

I've met him on three occasions when he has come to Gibraltar
and he seems to have a genuine interest in things, as does
Michael Ancram. However, ensuring that we do not get sold
down the river remains our responsibility.

>I know people will have a go back when I say I feel safer here with a
>Blair government that a conservative any day.

As they say about the stock market, past performance is no indication
of the future. A future Conservative Government may be as removed
from Mrs Thatcher as Blair is from men in cloth caps. What one can
see is a difference in style; those who fuck up under Howard
go, wheras under Blair its all covered up, or they get prime EU jobs.

>I could not believe people voted for the conservatives for the euro
>vote after all it was maggies government who started the talks with
>Spain in the 80's in the first place

With full support from the Gibraltar Government of the day, who knew
there was no alternative.

However, at the EU election the Conservatives had a campaign
with people outside the polling stations etc. Labour did not even
have an official election agent at the count. The support from the
GSLP was very half hearted.

Yes, opening the frontier has benefited Spain, but us too.

>After talking to my partners family who are Gibraltarian they say that

>Gibraltar was at it's best when the frontier was closed.

Indeed it was, but there is no turning the clock back, the economy
then was not the robust animal it is today and without tourism and
an open frontier, times would be hard, we need the Spanish
workers as much as they need us.

Ken

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Apr 6, 2005, 1:57:18 PM4/6/05
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"Cybernest" <cybe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112747213....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

> In the light of these issues, which Party would you like to see win the
> General Election? Which Party's Government would, in your opinion, have
> the most beneficial effect on Gibraltar?

A difficult paradox in any politics. There is no-one who stands for election
that can be trusted if they win. Why? Because no-one who seeks the power can
be trusted with it.

Who would you trust with a loaded weapon - bloke no. 1, obsessed with it,
keen to hold it, look down the sight, squeeze the tirgger, wnating to smell
the powder and gun oil - or bloke no. 2, who is so in awe of the damage it
can wreak that he prefers to leave it locked away where no-one, not even he,
can gain access to it? I'd rather have the second chap in charge of weapons.
I'd rather have people who are very respectful of the power that politics
can bring in charge, rather than those who seek that power for themselves.

It is a paradox of democracy then that the very people who you would prefer
were NOT incharge are the only ones you can choose from. So, it's case of
who do I distrust the least. Those who will not get my vote for a long time
(I refrain from saying never, as we have no idea what the future may bring)
are the Labour candidates for reasons all too apparent for those in this NG.
The Lib-Dems are maing the right sort of nopises but stand virtually no
chance of making any sort of difference. Those least likely to do Gib damage
AND might get enough votes to get into power are the Conservatives, for who
I shall in all likelihood vote.

OTOH in the electoral system in the UK were proportional representation
rather than first-past-the-post, then the Lib-Dems may well have had my
vote.

Ken


luc...@eternal-flames.gov

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Apr 6, 2005, 2:41:07 PM4/6/05
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On 6 Apr 2005 08:18:08 -0700, "Steve" <st...@gibraltarian.net>,

Collected his thoughts into a small matchbox and wrote:

>I know that queuing at the frontier is a pain, but at least the Spanish
>police stop any known cretins from entering Gib

Not very well it seems... Not if Michael Howard managed to get in.

Old Nick

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