scepticism
Manny
believe that the new found friendship and offers of cooperation by Spain
will work. Since those posts, I have been talking to a lot of people here in
Gibraltar and honestly I am still to find one person who does not think that
the "talks" are doomed to failure. Not a single one has commented anything
to the contrary, yet all agree that we must go to these talks as we cannot
be seen to be in any doubt as to their sincerity or the probability of these
not getting off in any direction.
The real difference lies in that the Spaniards have a totally different
interpretation of the words dialogue, cooperation and negotiation. If any
should doubt these words, let have a read of any of the Spanish political
comments on the new policy adopted by the PSOE people.They are now talking
of they (the Spanish) dropping their pants down and that the only victor
will be Caruana and Spain will have acheived nothing at all.
So if anyone is totalling up the number of sceptics, please add up the total
population of Gibraltar
All out there, have a wonderful, peaceful Christmas
Manny
Ken
"Manny" <man...@gibnet.gi> wrote in message
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. . et cum spiritu tuo, or similar.
Anyway, yes. Today the story of the establishment of tripartite talks has
been all over the UK press, and naturally in the Chronicle and Panoarama
too. These last two go into considerably more detail than any of the UK
papers. What, if anything, the Sp papers have to say on the matter I have no
idea - I haven't looked nor am I inclined to do so.
It is all rather curious. The UK and Gib seem well pleased that dignity is
preserved and all can come to the negotiating table as adults. Certain
groupings within Sp OTOH appear affronted that the people who are most
affected by any propsed changes in sovereignty should have a say at all. As
these arrangements for discussion are in any case not specifically about
sovereignty (though it may be raised among all else) it appears that these
certain sections of Sp society appear affronted at the notion that
Gibraltarians should have ANY say on ANY matter that concerns them! Thus
they appear affronted that Gibraltarians might have a say in how much
aircraft noise and disruption they are prepared to put up with. They are
affronted that Gibraltarians may have a say in cross-border environmental
matters etc etc etc.
If this is the level of respect for fellow human beings that certain
sections of Sp society can show, then it is a section of Sp society that Sp
herself may well be rid of, let alone anyone else!
Ken
luc...@yuletide-flames.gov
paused briefly between playing with his doll's house, to write:
>They are
>affronted that Gibraltarians may have a say in cross-border environmental
>matters etc etc etc.
Much of this is to do with Prime Minister Blair becoming
'European President' Blair, in the latter half of next year,
when the UK takes over the EU chair.
He's looking for something to proudly display before him in the hopes
the other countries won't give him too hard a time over his failure to
adopt the Euro, and the fact that the average Brit. still doesn't give
a toss about anything to do with the EU.
Nick.
luc...@yuletide-flames.gov
<noone$$@llondel.org>, paused briefly between playing with his doll's
house, to write:
>There's always the chance, of course, that a May election could mean that he
>isn't PM by the time the presidency gets to the UK.
True. But I suspect a 'President' Howard (doesn't that sound scary)
would be in even more of a hole. :-)
Nick.
luc...@yuletide-flames.gov
>Yes and no, to some extent he would still be in that period where he can
>blame everything bad on the previous administration.
The "Honeymoon period" you mean... I've always thought of Howard as
'always the bridesmaid, never the bride.' :-)
Nick
Ken
"Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone$$@llondel.org> wrote in message
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> In message <sji6s0tn80utb6df6...@4ax.com>,
he
> isn't PM by the time the presidency gets to the UK.
Can we really be THAT lucky?
K
Ken
<luc...@yuletide-flames.gov> wrote in message
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No, you're thinking of Jeremy Thorpe, Liberal, mid 70s. :))
K
luc...@yuletide-flames.gov
paused briefly between playing with his doll's house, to write:
>No, you're thinking of Jeremy Thorpe, Liberal, mid 70s. :))
I'd forgotten him... :-)
Has he checked out up there?
He's not down here?
Mick.
Ken
<luc...@yuletide-flames.gov> wrote in message
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Can't imagine where he is now. Always a +model+ politician, of that there
can be no doubt :))
K
jim.gm4dhj
<luc...@yuletide-flames.gov> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:12:50 -0000, "Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk>,
> paused briefly between playing with his doll's house, to write:
>
> >No, you're thinking of Jeremy Thorpe, Liberal, mid 70s. :))
>
> I'd forgotten him... :-)
BONA!!!!
>
> Has he checked out up there?
> He's not down here?
>
> Mick.
Aha! so your real name is Mick !!!!!!!
luc...@yuletide-flames.gov
<jim.g...@ntlworld.com>, paused briefly between playing with his
doll's house, to write:
>BONA!!!!
>>
>> Has he checked out up there?
>> He's not down here?
>>
>> Mick.
>
>Aha! so your real name is Mick !!!!!!!
LOL. Only when I've had a glass or three and the fingers don't hit
the keys they're pointed at.
Bloody silly idea putting N right next to M anyhow. :-)
Nick - the only part of my name which is accurate.
luc...@yuletide-flames.gov
paused briefly between playing with his doll's house, to write:
>Can't imagine where he is now. Always a +model+ politician, of that there
>can be no doubt :))
I've just Googled him... Quite legal between adults.
He's still up there with you lot somewhere.
Nick.