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kevin77

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Nov 21, 2004, 1:59:15 PM11/21/04
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Could you let me know the progress on this development?
All the apartments were sold within hours off plan with a promise of
phased completion in 2004/2005.
Now I see a lot of them are coming up for resale as the 'speculators'
attempt to either cash in or cut losses before the places are built.
Whats the local opinion on this?

Ken

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Nov 21, 2004, 2:08:20 PM11/21/04
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"kevin77" <kevinsev...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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From what I heard the sale of the flats by the original buyer was prohibited
until the property had actually been built. It appears I was incorrect. My
view? I have none. They did seem a tad pricey, but then again, a flat (as
indeed anything else) is worth as much as someone else is willing to pay for
it.

Certainly from the view of the building industry these top-end residences
must make a tidy profit. OTOH in a place like Gib where space is at a
premium the more of these are built the less space there is for the ordinary
man in the street for who the cost of such an apartment represents a
lifetime of gross earnings or more. Such developments repesent bad news from
that perspective.

K


jim.gm4dhj

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Nov 21, 2004, 2:12:37 PM11/21/04
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http://www.123propertynews.com/new_developments/ocean_village.html


Must be a dump...they don't show you where it is........good view of the
refinery ..no doubt.....

Ken

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FWIMC, the Ocean Village complex is at the site of Shepherd's Marina. It
sits between Bianca's Restaurant and Portland House. As with most property
with a view of the bay, the refinery will be visible but probably only to
those properties on higher levels, at approx 1 - 2 o'clock.

Ken


DCC

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Nov 21, 2004, 5:29:17 PM11/21/04
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Plus the roar of jet engines nearby. Then again they probably come with
double glazing and air conditioning for that price. If I had that kind of
money, I'd park it elsewhere. Unless that is, I needed such a vehicle to
park my money.

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jim.gm4dhj

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Nov 21, 2004, 5:40:56 PM11/21/04
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"Rodney Wakefield" <anchor...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message <FM5od.426$_01....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>
> from "jim.gm4dhj" <jim.g...@ntlworld.com> contains these words:

>
> > http://www.123propertynews.com/new_developments/ocean_village.html
>
>
> > Must be a dump...they don't show you where it is........good view of the
> > refinery ..no doubt.....
>
> Just goes to show how ignorant you really are...
>
> --
> Rod

plonker.....


Ken

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Nov 21, 2004, 6:46:29 PM11/21/04
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"DCC" <m...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Plus the roar of jet engines nearby.

I doubt you'd hear much frankly. They're just next to Watergardens, from
which flats the 'planes can barely be heard at all. I any case, such
proximity to the airport can be a selling point. Remember Maxwell used to
park his boat there for precisely that fact. At what other location can you
walk (let alone drive) from the airport terminal to your floating gin palace
in 10 mins?

A lady I know likes to take weekend breaks in Gib for precisely this reason.
She reckons that if you only have a weekend to get away from it all the last
thing you need is to spend ages on transfers to and from the airport.

K

Jim Watt

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Nov 21, 2004, 7:41:38 PM11/21/04
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On 21 Nov 2004 10:59:15 -0800, kevinsev...@yahoo.com (kevin77)
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2006 they say (see pictures)

Contracts have been placed, the site has been cleared, and there
are portacabins in place. The people behind it are a substantial
property group and there is no reason to believe it won't be a big
success.

I imagine a number of the properties have been bought on the basis
that the buyers will sell them before they are finished, but thats the
property business. Most of the other developments are similar and
properties in Watergardens have changed hands enough.

I have some photos of the area from last week

http://www.gibnet.com/images/ocean.htm

Indeed one may be able to see the refinery and the runway of the
Gibraltar airport from the location, however neither are going to be
any problem.

There is also some activity due North of the site where Taylor
Woodrow are building, having run out of space at their successful
Queensway Quay project.

Government is also building some housing to be sold at cost to
locals on the reclaimed area known as 'The Sands' or by some as
'Feethams beach'.

As an indication that they are starting work, Government issued the
following press release:

"To allow the enabling works to proceed in connection with the
commencement of "The Sands" Government Housing Project, Mons Calpe
Road will be closed to all traffic, vehicular and pedestrian, from
the Evacuation Roundabout to the junction with Emerson's Place. The
two car parking areas to the west of the Coach Park will also be
enclosed within the site. The site hoarding will also encroach onto
the parking bays along the east side of Emerson's Place. The
hoarding will remain in place until the completion of the housing
project. We would like to apologise for any inconveniences the works
may cause."

So it looks like there is plenty of building going on !

The large number of estate agents who have sprung up may have more
to do than sell property in Spain.

PS: Take no notice of the 'noise' in this group, its just people who
are envious of those of use who actually live in Gibraltar.


--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

jim.gm4dhj

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Nov 22, 2004, 3:00:21 AM11/22/04
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> I have some photos of the area from last week
>
> http://www.gibnet.com/images/ocean.htm

Are you sure that is not a picture of Glasgow with its scabby high flats ?
.......


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Nov 22, 2004, 4:00:43 AM11/22/04
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> There is also some activity due North of the site where Taylor
> Woodrow are building, having run out of space at their successful
> Queensway Quay project.

Jim - Is this "The Boardwalk" and "Tradewinds"? I'm assuming those sites
will go on sale soon; Dose anyone know when?

Malcolm

Jim Watt

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Nov 22, 2004, 6:07:45 AM11/22/04
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There are certainly signs of life on the site, if you are interested
suggest you contact TW pronto as they generally sell everything
off the plan these days;

http://www.countrylife.co.uk/property/international/article.php?id=59080

Has some informationabout that and their other developments along
with the contact details now is the time.

jim.gm4dhj

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Nov 22, 2004, 8:49:35 AM11/22/04
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> A lady I know likes to take weekend breaks in Gib for precisely this
reason.
> She reckons that if you only have a weekend to get away from it all the
last
> thing you need is to spend ages on transfers to and from the airport.
>
> K

Very good point.......


jim.gm4dhj

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Nov 22, 2004, 12:03:39 PM11/22/04
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About the only good arguement for going to Gib..........


kevin77

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Nov 22, 2004, 3:40:39 PM11/22/04
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Plus the roar of jet engines nearby....

The noise problem I noticed when staying in Gib was those boy racer
t****rs with their drum & bass decibel busters. Has anybody killed one
of these sad bastards yet, or is everybody in Gib now deaf and unable
to notice?

jim.gm4dhj

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Nov 22, 2004, 3:47:29 PM11/22/04
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"kevin77" <kevinsev...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Know what you mean ....scumbags...... stayed at the Queens two years ago and
was kept up all night with them....problem is it is such a piddly small
place they kept coming around every five minutes or so.....


Ken

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Nov 22, 2004, 5:06:04 PM11/22/04
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"kevin77" <kevinsev...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Plus the roar of jet engines nearby....

You wouldn't hear them. You certainly can't hear them from inside a flat at
Watergardens.


>
> The noise problem I noticed when staying in Gib was those boy racer
> t****rs with their drum & bass decibel busters. Has anybody killed one
> of these sad bastards yet, or is everybody in Gib now deaf and unable
> to notice?

Bum tish bum tish bum tish

Just like the sound you hear next to somone on a bus with his in-ear
headphones in, and the sound turned up too loud. But louder.

K


DCC

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Nov 22, 2004, 9:33:04 PM11/22/04
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Commercial planes today are ok. But what about those delightful fighter
aircraft that use Gib from time to time? They roar like hell. I've been
having a meal at Bianca's and it can be unpleasant. The other delight must
be the purring of the diesel generators in the area.

Yes, Gib is unique when it comes to the convenience of having an airport at
your doorstep. But it does come at a price. And for the price they'll be
paying at this new development, a high price to pay.

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Jim Watt

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Nov 23, 2004, 3:23:21 AM11/23/04
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:33:04 +0800, "DCC" <m...@home.com> wrote:

>Commercial planes today are ok. But what about those delightful fighter
>aircraft that use Gib from time to time? They roar like hell. I've been
>having a meal at Bianca's and it can be unpleasant. The other delight must
>be the purring of the diesel generators in the area.
>
>Yes, Gib is unique when it comes to the convenience of having an airport at
>your doorstep. But it does come at a price. And for the price they'll be
>paying at this new development, a high price to pay.

Diesel generators?

The yachts are on shore power, can't say I've noticed it myself.

These days military exercises are few and far between as HMG reduces
its number of aircraft.

DCC

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Nov 24, 2004, 7:59:15 AM11/24/04
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And where pray tell us, do the yachts get their SHORE power. From those
purring generators in Waterport no doubt. Unless you've all gone green and
the levante is providing copious quantities of wind energy?

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jim.gm4dhj

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Nov 24, 2004, 5:34:18 PM11/24/04
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the generators from a distance when they were at
> King's Bastion. The only place I've heard the new ones is when standing
> directly outside the generating station.
>
> K
>
>
Talking of generating stations...does anybody tink the old power station is
a beautiful building........often walked past just to admire it........


Jim Watt

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Nov 24, 2004, 2:35:14 PM11/24/04
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:59:15 +0800, "DCC" <m...@home.com> wrote:

>And where pray tell us, do the yachts get their SHORE power. From those
>purring generators in Waterport no doubt. Unless you've all gone green and
>the levante is providing copious quantities of wind energy?

They are so quiet you would hardly know they are there ...

Ken

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Nov 24, 2004, 5:39:40 PM11/24/04
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"jim.gm4dhj" <jim.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Never considered it as a beautiful thing. Must admit the angled side walls
with the very high, unusual shaped windows are . . . unusual. But
+beautiful+ ?

K


Ken

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Nov 24, 2004, 5:29:17 PM11/24/04
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"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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I must say I recall hearing the generators from a distance when they were at

jim.gm4dhj

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"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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I think it is nice.......
When was it built?...it looks kind of 1920/30's ? ........is it going to be
demolished or preserved? ......


Jim Watt

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Nov 25, 2004, 3:56:12 AM11/25/04
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:17:48 GMT, "jim.gm4dhj"
<jim.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>> Never considered it as a beautiful thing. Must admit the angled side walls
>> with the very high, unusual shaped windows are . . . unusual. But
>> +beautiful+ ?
>>
>> K
>>
>>
>I think it is nice.......
>When was it built?...it looks kind of 1920/30's ? ........is it going to be
>demolished or preserved? ......

It lacks the charm of Battersea power station Its a late 50's style
concrete monstrosity that should be demolished the concrete is
cracked.

However, the issue is that although the generators have been
decommissioned and are obsolete, the transformers and switching
gear that feeds the town and contols much of Gibtraltar is located
there and its not easy to reloate without large power outages.

At some stage the adjoining naval sports field, currently being used
as a car park by the MoD will be handed over to Government and
there are plans to turn it into a green area.

jim.gm4dhj

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Nov 25, 2004, 8:21:14 AM11/25/04
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> >I think it is nice.......
> >When was it built?...it looks kind of 1920/30's ? ........is it going to
be
> >demolished or preserved? ......
>
> It lacks the charm of Battersea power station Its a late 50's style
> concrete monstrosity that should be demolished the concrete is
> cracked.
>
> However, the issue is that although the generators have been
> decommissioned and are obsolete, the transformers and switching
> gear that feeds the town and contols much of Gibtraltar is located
> there and its not easy to reloate without large power outages.
>
> At some stage the adjoining naval sports field, currently being used
> as a car park by the MoD will be handed over to Government and
> there are plans to turn it into a green area.
> --
> Jim Watt

Well I think they should keep it...it's nice .....what about the "temporary"
multistorey car park near-bye.... you know where the shows set up...has that
gone yet?......


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