Oddities on WikiPedia

zii kell

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Oct 17, 2007, 4:07:22 PM10/17/07

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Nice maps on wikipedia. The first one is excellent: I did not know
that there was a huge fortress across the frontier with Sp. that is
depicted on the first map!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Gibraltar1750.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:K%C3%A4rtchen_des_vorgebirges_von_gibraltar.jpg

Ken

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Oct 17, 2007, 7:03:32 PM10/17/07

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"zii kell" <huj22ml...@temporaryinbox.com> wrote in message
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To view what is the oldest and most detailed maps of the place I've come
across, have a look at
http://historic-cities.huji.ac.il/gibraltar/gibraltar/maps/homann_1733_gibraltar.html
and click on the various lnks within the site.
The fortress you refer to is drawn in great detail, and lots of explanatory
notes around the maps too.

Ken

PaulusAr

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Oct 18, 2007, 12:24:27 PM10/18/07

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Notice also that all maps refer to the Bay of Gibraltar. Not the
recent Spanish attempt at rewriting history. Some idiot in The
Panorama today even called it The Bay of Algeciras. Even though he was
referring to International waters in the Straits. All of the Bay is
either British or Spanish. There are no international waters in the
Bay.

Paulus

zii kell

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Oct 19, 2007, 10:15:04 AM10/19/07

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Governements sometimes like to rewrite history. It serves a purpose and
many people don't check.

I noticed that there was an island underneath Algeciras on one of the
maps. Is this still there or was it consumed?

Ken

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Oct 19, 2007, 12:33:44 PM10/19/07

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"zii kell" <huj22ml...@temporaryinbox.com> wrote in message

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The island was the reason for the name of Algeciras, which made the place a
natural harbour. Arabic "Al Gezira" (like the fames middle eastern news
channel) = "The Island". With reclamation works over the years to make the
present day port this is no longer discernable as a separate piece of land.

Ken

zii kell

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Oct 19, 2007, 4:44:37 PM10/19/07

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One source thinks that it was called the green island: al-Gezira
al-Khadra.

From http://www.planetware.com/spain/algeciras-e-and-alg.htm

"The port of Algeciras lies near the southern tip of the Iberian
peninsula on the west side of Algeciras Bay, opposite Gibraltar. It is
an important ferry port, with services to Ceuta and Tangier in North
Africa. The Roman Portus Albo was re-founded by the Moors in 713 under
the name of al-Gezira al-Khadra (''green island''). It was captured by
Alfonso XI of Castile in 1344 and destroyed by Mohammed V of Granada in
1368, so that it has preserved only scanty remains from that period.
After 1704, when Gibraltar became a British possession, Algeciras was
resettled by Spaniards from Gibraltar."

Also found here: http://www.thecid.com/algezira.htm

Not much else from Google-landia.

Lynx

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Oct 25, 2007, 7:36:51 PM10/25/07

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"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> The island was the reason for the name of Algeciras, which made the place
> a natural harbour. Arabic "Al Gezira" (like the fames middle eastern news
> channel) = "The Island". With reclamation works over the years to make the
> present day port this is no longer discernable as a separate piece of
> land.

I'm lead to believe Algeciras (plural, according to some historians back in
1600's indicated there were two Algeciras) means land of milk and honey
(literal translation)

zii kell

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Oct 29, 2007, 1:04:10 PM10/29/07

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On an olde map there are two.

One called Algeceriras ou Vieux Gibraltar where the town is now
situated, and another up in the hills called Algazieras between two
rivers (R. de Gouruigue (incorrect spelling coz the map resolution is
too low when zoomed in and its in French) Rio de los Pulmones. The town
is located back from the Tour d'entre les Ruineres ('Tower between the
ruins', I think)