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Michael Anazapela

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May 31, 2005, 3:12:10 PM5/31/05
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This seems like such a trivial question that I almost feel ashamed for
asking it, but here we go.

Do you need a passport to visit Gibraltar when flying directly from the UK?
I would presume that residents of Gibraltar can use their identity card if
needed - but is Gibraltar treated as an international flight, or a
quasi-domestic one as Channel Island flights are? (no Immigration control,
but customs control), or is it even as UK-Ireland flights are, where photo
ID is all that's needed?

I can't seem to find the answer online - I'm intending on taking up the
offer of relatively cheap flights and visiting for couple of days, I have no
interest in going into Spain, so I'd rather not have to pay for a passport
if I don't need to.

Regards,
Michael


Ken

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May 31, 2005, 4:02:34 PM5/31/05
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"Michael Anazapela" <mic...@rawkstar.net> wrote in message
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> This seems like such a trivial question that I almost feel ashamed for
> asking it, but here we go.
>
> Do you need a passport to visit Gibraltar when flying directly from the
> UK?

Yes


> I would presume that residents of Gibraltar can use their identity card if
> needed -

Yes. Gibraltarians holding a Gib ID card (not compulsory) can use this
instead of / as well as a passport when traveling throughout the EU


> but is Gibraltar treated as an international flight,

There is only ONE airport in Gib, so all flights to and from Gib are
internatinal flights.


> or a
> quasi-domestic one as Channel Island flights are? (no Immigration control,
> but customs control), or is it even as UK-Ireland flights are, where photo
> ID is all that's needed?

Photo ID is all that is needed in the form of a valid travel document such
as an EU ID card or passport. Immigration and Customs apply.

> I can't seem to find the answer online - I'm intending on taking up the
> offer of relatively cheap flights and visiting for couple of days, I have
> no
> interest in going into Spain, so I'd rather not have to pay for a passport
> if I don't need to.

Unless you have another valid travel document you will need a passport - or
risk being stuck at the airport and being sent back on the next available
flight.

Ken


Jim Watt

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May 31, 2005, 4:16:23 PM5/31/05
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You need a passport or an EU national identity card. The airline will
not allow you to board without one.

see also

http://www.gibnet.com/tourist/visa.htm

British visas issued for the UK are not valid for entry to Gibraltar

From the FCO website www.fco.gov.uk

ENTRY REQUIREMENTS

A full valid British passport is required for all British nationals
visiting Gibraltar. As Gibraltar is a British Overseas Territory, no
prior entry visa is required for British nationals.

For further information on entry requirements, you are advised to
check with either: the Gibraltar Government Office, Arundel Great
Court, 178-179 Strand, London WC2R 1EL; Tel: 020 7836 0777;
email info [at] gibraltar.gov.uk; Website: www.gibraltar.gov.uk

The Principal Immigration Officer, Police Headquarters, Gibraltar;
e-mail: csro [at] gibtelecom.net ; tel: +(350) 51725; fax: + (350)
42706). (Note during summer months, this office is open until 1pm
GMT).

replace the {at] with the @ sign for emailing.

--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

DCC

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May 31, 2005, 8:47:50 PM5/31/05
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Unless you get a free ride on a chopper to Windmill. Then it's domestic :-)

"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Anazapela" <mic...@rawkstar.net> wrote in message
> news:429cb6f7$0$2359$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> This seems like such a trivial question that I almost feel ashamed for
>> asking it, but here we go.

>

Lynx

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May 31, 2005, 11:24:51 PM5/31/05
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Now, now. DOn't let that wonderful balmy weather get to you. I told you to
keep a lid on it. When is Windmill (Flats) going to be handed over to the
City of Gibraltar? Anyone know?

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Jim Watt

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Jun 1, 2005, 3:34:59 AM6/1/05
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:24:51 GMT, "Lynx" <calp...@home.away
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>Now, now. DOn't let that wonderful balmy weather get to you. I told you to
>keep a lid on it. When is Windmill (Flats) going to be handed over to the
>City of Gibraltar? Anyone know?

The Bassasdone motorised division has already invaded and occupied it.

Lynx

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Sorry? Would you care to expand, PLEASE?
M


Ken

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Jun 1, 2005, 1:47:25 PM6/1/05
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> Now, now. DOn't let that wonderful balmy weather get to you. I told you to
> keep a lid on it. When is Windmill (Flats) going to be handed over to the
> City of Gibraltar? Anyone know?

I was told this was not possible because of some sensitive radar
installation on it, wrapped in some golf-ball contraption. My retort was
that Gibraltarians have no aspiration to world power, so we would not be
bothered if the radar was dismantled. Then, as it would no longer be there,
thee would be no reason not to hand the land over.

The blinding logic of my argument (or more likely, the stupidity of it in
the eyes of those who seek covert knowledge) left them speechless.

K

Jim Watt

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Jun 1, 2005, 1:35:18 PM6/1/05
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:16:02 GMT, "Lynx" <calp...@home.away
from.home> wrote:

>
>"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:24:51 GMT, "Lynx" <calp...@home.away
>> from.home> wrote:
>>
>>>Now, now. DOn't let that wonderful balmy weather get to you. I told you to
>>>keep a lid on it. When is Windmill (Flats) going to be handed over to the
>>>City of Gibraltar? Anyone know?
>>
>> The Bassasdone motorised division has already invaded and occupied it.
>> --
>> Jim Watt
>
>Sorry? Would you care to expand, PLEASE?

Bassadone Motors supply the UN with Toyota vehicles and keep
large numbers in stock, they used to be on the area known as
'the sands' which is being redeveloped for housing, they are
now at windmill hill. Lots of them. I have pictures.

Jim Watt

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Jun 1, 2005, 7:44:16 PM6/1/05
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:47:25 +0100, "Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk>
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>"Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
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>> Now, now. DOn't let that wonderful balmy weather get to you. I told you to
>> keep a lid on it. When is Windmill (Flats) going to be handed over to the
>> City of Gibraltar? Anyone know?
>
>I was told this was not possible because of some sensitive radar
>installation on it, wrapped in some golf-ball contraption.

you were told a fairy tale.

1. there was a satellite ground station inside the 'golf ball'

2. its decommissioned.

http://www.gibnet.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?g_004.jpg&Windmill_Hill,_the_Southern_end_of_the%20Rock_overlooking_the_Straits

Lynx

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Jun 2, 2005, 7:10:21 AM6/2/05
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"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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Regrettably, I'm not surprised. Though I must say, I had no idea. How many
UN visitors does Gib get per annum? How many vehicles does Gib need to keep
at the ready for the UN? It would be most interesting seeing those pics.
M


Lynx

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Jun 2, 2005, 7:19:40 AM6/2/05
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"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
> news:7U9ne.8702$BR4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Now, now. DOn't let that wonderful balmy weather get to you. I told you
>> to keep a lid on it. When is Windmill (Flats) going to be handed over to
>> the City of Gibraltar? Anyone know?
>
> I was told this was not possible because of some sensitive radar
> installation on it, wrapped in some golf-ball contraption. My retort was
> that Gibraltarians have no aspiration to world power, so we would not be
> bothered if the radar was dismantled. Then, as it would no longer be
> there, thee would be no reason not to hand the land over.
>
> The blinding logic of my argument (or more likely, the stupidity of it in
> the eyes of those who seek covert knowledge) left them speechless.
>
> K

The mind boggles. Even the subs, one would think, is a thing of the past. At
any rate, should the Windmill Hill Flats be handed over to the "Gib" gov,
given "La Pudre", the "holders of the KEY" would probably build more luxury
dwellings for the rich and famous, UN officials, and stuff the Gibraltarians
and all resident citizens. If they don't like it, they can always move to
Spain.
M


Lynx

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Jun 2, 2005, 7:26:07 AM6/2/05
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"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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Got it, tks. Do you know what "La Pudre" means? It means "The Putrefaction".
M


Ken

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Jun 2, 2005, 2:18:49 PM6/2/05
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"Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
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They're not for UN missions to Gib. They're for re-export, mostly to
Zimbabwe (or at least they were not so long since before Mugabwe went
crazy). Under soome phenomenally crazy political interpretation, seat belts
and trimmings are fitted in Gib and hey presto! They are "manufactured" in
the EU and have some benefit attached thereby.

K


Ken

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Jun 2, 2005, 2:20:27 PM6/2/05
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"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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That's the one. By their own logic then, there is no reason for a handover
to GoG. The radar was cited as the reason it could be handed over, and it
transipres there is no radar, not that we wanted it in the first place.

K


Jim Watt

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Jun 2, 2005, 2:31:02 PM6/2/05
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As there is a generating station going there, I think not.

Lynx

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"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Yes benefits. Benefits for whom?
M


Lynx

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"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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The GoG. Now there's an interesting concept. GoG sounds more like a
privately owned corporation.


Lynx

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"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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What else is happening in Gib in the next 10 yrs, any knowledge?
M


Ken

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I haven't the faintest. I imagine there's something in it for people at both
ends of the deal, or the deal wouldn't get done.

K


Ken

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Jun 2, 2005, 7:22:23 PM6/2/05
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"Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
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>
> "Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> news:f2ku91h7s0vj46ssi...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:19:40 GMT, "Lynx" <calp...@home.away
>> from.home> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:d7ksb9$b7q$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>> "Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
>>>> news:7U9ne.8702$BR4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> What else is happening in Gib in the next 10 yrs, any knowledge?

Several partial eclipses of the sun for starters;

Date: Start Time(UT): Type: Character:
Magnitude:
Oct 03 2005 08:57 Partial Central
0.8474
Mar 29 2006 10:02 Partial Central
0.3828
Jan 04 2011 07:44 Partial Non-central
0.4943
Nov 03 2013 12:33 Partial Central
0.1546
Mar 20 2015 08:59 Partial Central
0.6692

For the next total eclipse visible from Gib you'll need to wait until Aug
2nd 2027 at 08:46. There are several more partials between 2005 and 2015,
but you asked for the next 10 years . . . .

Ken


Lynx

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"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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People at both ends of the deal,no doubt. The vassals are doing well.
Chivalry lives on!
M


Lynx

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"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ha ha ha !! I like it! Goodonya mate!
M


Jim Watt

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Jun 3, 2005, 3:01:00 AM6/3/05
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 00:22:23 +0100, "Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk>
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<snip>

I ddn't know you had such an astronomical grasp of the future

Whens the next date the sun passes with the same elevation
as the clarke belt ?

The eclipse by Astra2 is an interesting event even if only lasts
a few minutes.

Jim Watt

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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:45:59 +0100, "Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk>
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>
>"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message

>news:bqvv91dg1e4r04k1n...@4ax.com...


>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 00:22:23 +0100, "Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I ddn't know you had such an astronomical grasp of the future
>>
>> Whens the next date the sun passes with the same elevation
>> as the clarke belt ?
>>
>> The eclipse by Astra2 is an interesting event even if only lasts
>> a few minutes.
>

>No idea when that happens next, nor can I imagne there will be any detectibe
>diminution in the intensity of sunlight reaching the earth's surface!

no but the broadband RF from the sun plays havoc with sensitive
microwave detectors listening out for eastenders and Big Brother.

>never been happy with the notion of Clarke's name being given to the concept
>of satcomms, geostationary or otherwise. I mean, the man had an IDEA, he
>didn't INVENT anything.

He proposed the idea, hell whats wrong with naming a bit of space
after the guy? Dudley Ward didn't invent the tunnel.

<snip>

>BTW I did NOT get my tenses muxed up in the previous sentences - there is no
>tense for what I'm trying to say

non tense at all :)

The first rule of time lords is not to admit anything ...

Ken

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"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:45:59 +0100, "Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
>>news:bqvv91dg1e4r04k1n...@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 00:22:23 +0100, "Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> I ddn't know you had such an astronomical grasp of the future
>>>
>>> Whens the next date the sun passes with the same elevation
>>> as the clarke belt ?
>>>
>>> The eclipse by Astra2 is an interesting event even if only lasts
>>> a few minutes.
>>
>>No idea when that happens next, nor can I imagne there will be any
>>detectibe
>>diminution in the intensity of sunlight reaching the earth's surface!
>
> no but the broadband RF from the sun plays havoc with sensitive
> microwave detectors listening out for eastenders and Big Brother.
>
>>never been happy with the notion of Clarke's name being given to the
>>concept
>>of satcomms, geostationary or otherwise. I mean, the man had an IDEA, he
>>didn't INVENT anything.
>
> He proposed the idea, hell whats wrong with naming a bit of space
> after the guy? Dudley Ward didn't invent the tunnel.

Incisive and accurate!

K


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