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Michael Dittrich

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May 24, 2005, 1:03:58 PM5/24/05
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last time i was in Gib in march 05 and must see that the tunnel-road from
Sir Herbert Miles to the south is closed. ( It is to have given an accident,
with a
dead one?).
Or can it be a fake, beware of Terrorism, while the road in the tunnel was
to near the tunnelsystem that
is in use?

Michael


Jim Watt

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May 24, 2005, 4:22:05 PM5/24/05
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The guy that died was real enough. The tunnel in question does
not present a particular security risk The large oil storage tanks
down south have gone.

The problem is rock falls, and there is no solution.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

Lynx

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May 25, 2005, 3:31:46 AM5/25/05
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"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message

>
> The problem is rock falls, and there is no solution.
> --
> Jim Watt

How far has the water catchments' panel-removal, on the eastside, project
gone? Is it all finished, if so, how's it looking?

Mano


jim.gm4dhj

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May 25, 2005, 6:38:57 AM5/25/05
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"Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
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another bit of old Gib gone tunnels closed what a dump.....


Jim Watt

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May 25, 2005, 2:52:02 PM5/25/05
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At least its not full of sweaties.

Jim Watt

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May 25, 2005, 2:53:10 PM5/25/05
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Pretty well, although I rather think that some thought should be given
to collecting rainwater rather than desalination which is linked to #
the price of oil.

Lynx

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May 26, 2005, 3:16:11 AM5/26/05
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>>How far has the water catchments' panel-removal, on the eastside, project
>>gone? Is it all finished, if so, how's it looking?
>
> Pretty well, although I rather think that some thought should be given
> to collecting rainwater rather than desalination which is linked to #
> the price of oil.

So what's in place of the old water catchments, exposed rock, or compacted
natural sand? Is any of that area accessible to the public?

Water has long been a commodity in Gib, as in many other places. Even here,
where an incredible volume of fresh water finds its way into the Indian
Ocean year in year out, desalination plants are being considered for the
major cities. Makes you wonder.

Mano


Michael Dittrich

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May 26, 2005, 5:45:23 AM5/26/05
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"> >to near the tunnelsystem that
> >is in use?
> >
> >Michael
>
> The guy that died was real enough. The tunnel in question does
> not present a particular security risk The large oil storage tanks
> down south have gone.
>
> The problem is rock falls, and there is no solution.
> Jim Watt

Yes, but in the south of the tunnels are also magzines for ammunition. Thes
system down Fosse Way is still in use.
Michael


jim.gm4dhj

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May 26, 2005, 11:04:24 AM5/26/05
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"Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
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> >>How far has the water catchments' panel-removal, on the eastside,
project
> >>gone? Is it all finished, if so, how's it looking?
> >
> > Pretty well, although I rather think that some thought should be given
> > to collecting rainwater rather than desalination which is linked to #
> > the price of oil.
>
> So what's in place of the old water catchments, exposed rock, or compacted
> natural sand? Is any of that area accessible to the public?

sand


Jim Watt

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May 26, 2005, 3:59:04 PM5/26/05
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I went for a stroll down that way recently, its quite safe and not
connected to the Dudley Ward Tunnel

Ken

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May 29, 2005, 5:39:59 PM5/29/05
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"Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
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>>>How far has the water catchments' panel-removal, on the eastside, project
>>>gone? Is it all finished, if so, how's it looking?
>>
>> Pretty well, although I rather think that some thought should be given
>> to collecting rainwater rather than desalination which is linked to #
>> the price of oil.
>
> So what's in place of the old water catchments, exposed rock, or compacted
> natural sand? Is any of that area accessible to the public?


As the old sheeting was removed together with the framework that supported
it nature has taken hold (and given a helping hand it must be said) so that
plants can colonise and stabilise the sand with their roots, minimising the
risk of sand falls onto Catalan Bay and Sandy Bay below. There is no public
access - this would undermine the efforts to stabilise the sand and would be
dangerous for the individuals involved, as well as disturbing for the
species of birds and reptiles which are taking advantage of the isolation.
The progress can be viewed best through binoculars either from below
(Catalan Bay / Sandy Bay area) or from above (the top-of-the-rock cable car
station abd the ridge road between it and the lookout post)

Ken


Lynx

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May 29, 2005, 11:10:24 PM5/29/05
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"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
> news:%Iele.1570$BR4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> So what's in place of the old water catchments, exposed rock, or
>> compacted natural sand? Is any of that area accessible to the public?
>
> As the old sheeting was removed together with the framework that supported
> it nature has taken hold (and given a helping hand it must be said) so
> that plants can colonise and stabilise the sand with their roots,
> minimising the risk of sand falls onto Catalan Bay and Sandy Bay below.
> There is no public access - this would undermine the efforts to stabilise
> the sand and would be dangerous for the individuals involved, as well as
> disturbing for the species of birds and reptiles which are taking
> advantage of the isolation. The progress can be viewed best through
> binoculars either from below (Catalan Bay / Sandy Bay area) or from above
> (the top-of-the-rock cable car station abd the ridge road between it and
> the lookout post)

Sounds good. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I beleive before WWII people would
gather palmitos from the general area prior to the catchments, as you
approach from Devil's Tower Rd. Also, that a variety of scorpions could be
found in the same sandy area.
M


Ken

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May 30, 2005, 4:57:13 AM5/30/05
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"Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
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No idea about either of these. I have certainly seen scorpions in Gib, so
their presence there would not surprise me. My earliest (and vague)
recollection of the route to Catalan Bay by car involved the necessary use
of a tunnel as the road was not complete, though a footpath permitted travel
there by uninterrupted daylight. I forget the name of the tunnel, but it ran
from virtually the corner of the road that is the accident black spot thanks
to inexperienced drivers taking the corner too fast to the top of the car
park opposite the school at Catalan Bay. The tunnel entrances are still
there, though it is no longer in use.

K


Lynx

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May 30, 2005, 8:01:41 AM5/30/05
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"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Lynx" <calp...@home.away from.home> wrote in message
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>
> No idea about either of these. I have certainly seen scorpions in Gib, so
> their presence there would not surprise me. My earliest (and vague)
> recollection of the route to Catalan Bay by car involved the necessary use
> of a tunnel as the road was not complete, though a footpath permitted
> travel there by uninterrupted daylight. I forget the name of the tunnel,
> but it ran from virtually the corner of the road that is the accident
> black spot thanks to inexperienced drivers taking the corner too fast to
> the top of the car park opposite the school at Catalan Bay. The tunnel
> entrances are still there, though it is no longer in use.

You're right, there have been some disastrous car accidents in that curve.
Many occured during the closed frontier years. I guess people must've felt
too closed in. Even though some reassure me, those were good years. People
became more united and there wasn't as much negative influx.
My childhood recollections of Catalan Bay and the way there, are few and
hazy. The sea and mountainous images blur everything else. I do want to
recall some tunnel, but can't quite remember.
M


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