Story's end
Lynx
Spanish homes to avoid fiscal fraud.
Is this another cuento de la buena pipita, or could it be, que el cuento se
acabo?
JimmyGibby
"Lynx" <t...@nquilo.com> wrote in message
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'Watt's Law'
Lynx
"JimmyGibby" <see...@jimmy.net> wrote in message
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The problem is that something's always lost in the translation. And having
lived in Gib for so long, it's high time you understood the local idiom. May
I suggest you read Calentita?
Jim Watt
Note the comment came from our troll who does not live in
Gibraltar. I know what you exactly mean.
The idea that Gibraltarians will be positivly discriminated
against in Spain is not one that will be supported by the
current Spanish Government, which is fully aware of its EU
responsibilities.
It should be seen in the context of a comment made by a
politician and picked up in a slow news week.
The chances that Gibraltarians are going to wear red and
white stars and be rounded up is remote.
Frontiers do create anomalies though, and Spain is not
our friend, as they are proving again by making a fuss
about regional selectivity. AND that is the real story
of the week.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com
Lynx
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:42:24 GMT, "Lynx" <t...@nquilo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"JimmyGibby" <see...@jimmy.net> wrote in message
>>news:A4adnSKiwbhfdmTY...@pipex.net...
>>>
>>> "Lynx" <t...@nquilo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:_wjKh.11624$8U4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> Panorama reports: Spain prepares Register of Gibraltar residents who
>>>> have
>>>> Spanish homes to avoid fiscal fraud.
>>>> Is this another cuento de la buena pipita, or could it be, que el
>>>> cuento
>>>> se acabo?
>>> No language other than English please.
>>>
>>> 'Watt's Law'
>>
>>The problem is that something's always lost in the translation. And having
>>lived in Gib for so long, it's high time you understood the local idiom.
>>May
>>I suggest you read Calentita?
>
> Note the comment came from our troll who does not live in
> Gibraltar. I know what you exactly mean.
>
> The idea that Gibraltarians will be positivly discriminated
> against in Spain is not one that will be supported by the
> current Spanish Government, which is fully aware of its EU
> responsibilities.
It hasn't gone amiss that Zapatero's gov is far more transparent than Banana
2's
> It should be seen in the context of a comment made by a
> politician and picked up in a slow news week.
>
> The chances that Gibraltarians are going to wear red and
> white stars and be rounded up is remote.
You lost me there mate.
> Frontiers do create anomalies though, and Spain is not
> our friend, as they are proving again by making a fuss
> about regional selectivity. AND that is the real story
> of the week.
You would need to expand on this one. Unless you are criticising Spain for
governing itself in a transparent manner.
darius
> Frontiers do create anomalies though, and Spain is not
> our friend, as they are proving again by making a fuss
> about regional selectivity. AND that is the real story
> of the week.
> --
> Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com
Totatally agree. I think the Spanish presence/involvement in the
matter should be a far bigger story than it currently is.
JimmyGibby
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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>
>>
>>"JimmyGibby" <see...@jimmy.net> wrote in message
>>news:A4adnSKiwbhfdmTY...@pipex.net...
>>>
>>> "Lynx" <t...@nquilo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:_wjKh.11624$8U4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> Panorama reports: Spain prepares Register of Gibraltar residents who
>>>> have
>>>> Spanish homes to avoid fiscal fraud.
>>>> Is this another cuento de la buena pipita, or could it be, que el
>>>> cuento
>>>> se acabo?
>>> No language other than English please.
>>>
>>> 'Watt's Law'
>>
>>The problem is that something's always lost in the translation. And having
>>lived in Gib for so long, it's high time you understood the local idiom.
>>May
>>I suggest you read Calentita?
>
> Note the comment came from our troll who does not live in
> Gibraltar. I know what you exactly mean.
>
Actually the real reason is that Watt is crap at Spanish because he's not a
Gibraltarian and so therefore he doesn't like people posting in Spanish.
If people post in both languages he gets annoyed because only Gibraltarians
can understand what's being said.
See below;
POST NUMBER ONE BY JIM WATT. Notice how he berates people for posting
Spanish.
On 21 Sep 2006 09:04:39 -0700, "PaulusAr" <paulu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Sorry guys. This is an English speaking group. I, for one, do not
>understand your posts. So they are in effect falling on deaf ears.
Its best not to include alt.gibraltar which is an English
language group along with a bunch of Spanish language
groups as the result of cross posting makes people cross.
However, many of us are looking forward to the opening of
the Cervantes institute in Gibraltar, with a burning desire
to visit.
Note the trimming of headers, so this is only seen in
alt.gibraltar and our neigbours won't take offence or
even a fence/frontier.
Its also a good point that the cervantes instutue is
something to promote Spanish culture abroad, so it
comfirms the realisation that Gibraltar is not Spain.
But I am not expecting the inquisition next.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com
POST NUMBER TWO BY JIM WATT. Notice the word English is in capitals to ram
home the point that you MUST NOT post in Spanish on this NG
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:37:23 GMT, "El Cortés" <Cor...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>Y como estoy casi seguro que el señorito Jim Watts entiende inglés, y nada
>más,
When posting to alt.gibraltar please do so in ENGLISH as that is
the official language of Gibraltar.
Please do not cross post messages with Spanish language groups.
=========================================================
You clearly know nothing about Gibraltar and should keep your
ill informed nonsense to yourself.
---
Jim Watt "7th November 2002 in a referendum 99% of Gibraltar
http://www.gibnet.com said no to Spain, and no means NO"
POST NUMBER THREE BY JIM WATT, Notice was he thinks of people who post in
Spanish.
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:34:25 +0100, "José María Luque Giménez"
<jmlu...@inelcom.com> wrote:
>Yo pensaba que en Gibraltar no se jugaba a la pelota por que siempre se
>acaba callendo al agua.
Fuck off you spanish cunt.
JimmyGibby
people do have a problem. 'Watt's law' may give you a clue as to whom I
mean!!
Ken
Jeez how quickly ANY thread is hijacked to a personal slanging match! At
risk of being derided myself, GROW UP!
This is a ploy by Sp to somehow tarnish Gib I suspect. For ages they have
been complaining of financial fraud in Gib, yet when challenged to produce
eveidence they go silent for a very long time. Meanwhile, time after time,
there is cover up after cover up realted to property uncovered in the Costa
del Crime, with various people in Sp public office seen to be involved. At
no time yet has anyone or any institution in Gib come under fire. That is
not to say of course that they never shall - there are saints and sinners
among us all, and Gibraltarians are no more virtuous than any other group.
Yet the fact that numerous international monetary and fiscal institutions
(IMF, OECD) have time and again pronounced Gib's regulatory authorities and
the implementation of the regulations as being sound goes nowhere to silence
the Sp accusations.
So, Sp is to draw up a list of those Gibraltarians who own property in
Spain. So what? Such possession is not prohibited by either Sp nor Gib law.
Indeed the EU assures the right to own property across the states of the EU
and within the borders of the EU for EU citizens.
Spain is of course going to look at how the purchase of these properties was
/ is financed (I'm sure there are mortgages on some), looking for evil
doings! While it is not improper to root out unlawful practice, the fact
that this effort is to be concentrated on Gibraltarian ownership smacks of
racist practices. If they looked instead at the manner in which proerties in
a certain area have been bought by ALL the purchasers regardless of their
citizenship, then I would have more sympathy with their intentions.
K
Lynx
Sorry mate, I did overlook "Gibby" :) Indeed, Watt's his name can be hard to
handle, but I reckon he'll be talking Spanish before long, lisp and all! :))
Lynx
"Ken" <k...@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Lynx" <t...@nquilo.com> wrote in message
> news:_wjKh.11624$8U4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Panorama reports: Spain prepares Register of Gibraltar residents who have
>> Spanish homes to avoid fiscal fraud.
>> Is this another cuento de la buena pipita, or could it be, que el cuento
>> se acabo?
>
> Jeez how quickly ANY thread is hijacked to a personal slanging match! At
> risk of being derided myself, GROW UP!
Deride a fellow Gibbo? Never. It was more of a tease. Never realized how
sensitive the issue could be.
> This is a ploy by Sp to somehow tarnish Gib I suspect. For ages they have
> been complaining of financial fraud in Gib, yet when challenged to produce
> eveidence they go silent for a very long time. Meanwhile, time after time,
> there is cover up after cover up realted to property uncovered in the
> Costa del Crime, with various people in Sp public office seen to be
> involved. At no time yet has anyone or any institution in Gib come under
> fire. That is not to say of course that they never shall - there are
> saints and sinners among us all, and Gibraltarians are no more virtuous
> than any other group. Yet the fact that numerous international monetary
> and fiscal institutions (IMF, OECD) have time and again pronounced Gib's
> regulatory authorities and the implementation of the regulations as being
> sound goes nowhere to silence the Sp accusations.
Absolutely. Lately there have been arrests and law suits against public
figures in the Costa and the Canary Islands too. None of the PSOE, all of
the PP.
> So, Sp is to draw up a list of those Gibraltarians who own property in
> Spain. So what? Such possession is not prohibited by either Sp nor Gib
> law. Indeed the EU assures the right to own property across the states of
> the EU and within the borders of the EU for EU citizens.
I suppose it matters not if one owns property in a country but works in
another. So long as one pays the applicable council rates etc.
I met some young Poms working in Gib and living in Spain. How could this
affect their rights, I wonder. Would they have any recourse to state
financed health, etc?
Jim Watt
<snip>
>I met some young Poms working in Gib and living in Spain. How could this
>affect their rights, I wonder. Would they have any recourse to state
>financed health, etc?
As Europe moves from a group of nation states at war with each
other to a wider area network, the issues of people working in
one place and subsequently getting benefits in another becomes
more widespread and important. Frontiers, which are supposed
to dissapear, provide challenges too.
However, providing you pay social insurance in Gib, you get a
European Health Insurance Card issued by the GoG which is good
in other states.
There is similar reciprocity in pensions.
Ken
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:40:47 GMT, "Lynx" <t...@nquilo.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>I met some young Poms working in Gib and living in Spain. How could this
>>affect their rights, I wonder. Would they have any recourse to state
>>financed health, etc?
>
> As Europe moves from a group of nation states at war with each
> other to a wider area network, the issues of people working in
> one place and subsequently getting benefits in another becomes
> more widespread and important. Frontiers, which are supposed
> to dissapear, provide challenges too.
>
> However, providing you pay social insurance in Gib, you get a
> European Health Insurance Card issued by the GoG which is good
> in other states.
Yes - the erstwhile E111. However this gets you whatever level of healthcare
is available in your taxation country, but only emergency care in the
country you visit. What about access to schools for your children? This sort
of issue of course only ever arises within the narrow strip of commutability
that might exist between neighbours.
K
Ken
It makes one wonder how independent the law enforcement agencies and the
judiciary are when the only people who are ver found to be in the wrong ar
always in opposition.
>
>> So, Sp is to draw up a list of those Gibraltarians who own property in
>> Spain. So what? Such possession is not prohibited by either Sp nor Gib
>> law. Indeed the EU assures the right to own property across the states of
>> the EU and within the borders of the EU for EU citizens.
>
> I suppose it matters not if one owns property in a country but works in
> another. So long as one pays the applicable council rates etc.
Property ownership within the EU is not dependent on residence. Whether the
homes are used as primary domiciles by the owners or as an escape at
weekends or for letting purposes is irrelevant - as long as the various laws
and covenants are met. Certainly the payment of local proprty taxes comes
under this. Also in some complexes there may be limits as to whether letting
is permitted, and if so, to who.
> I met some young Poms working in Gib and living in Spain. How could this
> affect their rights, I wonder. Would they have any recourse to state
> financed health, etc?
No idea. I know some problems arise as some benefits are accured by
residence, others by taxation. Which by what?
K
Jim Watt
wrote:
The general thinking on schools is your kids attend the ones
in the country you live in and pay municipal taxes, eg rates
in.
Lynx
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
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Do these norms, health and pensions, apply reciprocally between Gib and
Spain?
Lynx
>
> It makes one wonder how independent the law enforcement agencies and the
> judiciary are when the only people who are ver found to be in the wrong ar
> always in opposition.
The guilty cannot be declared innocent on account of not being a member of
the reigning party. Do you disapprove of expurgating the rot out of the
system?
Lynx
>
> Yes - the erstwhile E111. However this gets you whatever level of
> healthcare is available in your taxation country, but only emergency care
> in the country you visit. What about access to schools for your children?
> This sort of issue of course only ever arises within the narrow strip of
> commutability that might exist between neighbours.
What about access to schools for children whose parents work over the
boarder?
Ken
Good heaven's no! I just find it curious that in Sp when PSOE is in power,
only the PP are guilty - or so your post intimated when you wrote "Lately
there have been arrests and law suits against public figures in the Costa
and the Canary Islands too. None of the PSOE, all of the PP."
K
Jim Watt
>Do these norms, health and pensions, apply reciprocally between Gib and
>Spain?
No Spanish pensioners get huge settlements for having paid
very little.
Lynx
My post intimates nothing of the sort. I have only made reference to what
has, and still is, coming through the Spanish media. You must be oblivious
to what is going on in this topic. Anyone with a minimum of interest in Gib,
should be better informed on what is happening not only in Gib but inside
Gib's immediate neighbour.
Lynx
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:14:08 GMT, "Lynx" <t...@nquilo.com> wrote:
>
>>Do these norms, health and pensions, apply reciprocally between Gib and
>>Spain?
>
> No Spanish pensioners get huge settlements for having paid
> very little.
Does it follow then, that Spanish pensions are far better than Gib's? How
huge a settlement does a Spanish pensioner get?
Jim Watt
They have been getting pensions since the border opened and the
first month was equivalent to their contributions. They are
currently being offered a cash settlement, estimated to be
around 80m euros.
Ken
From what I undestand, Sp pensions are not as generous as Gib pensions -
otherwise why are current Sp workers trying to assure now that in the future
their state pensions will be pegged at Gib levels rather than Sp levels?
The deal on pensions brought about by Cordoba is another matter. In it the
Sp pensions who, along with Gib pensioners, had their pensions frozen at
1987 levels are to get a lump sum (varying according to a number of factors)
in compensation. The stupidity of it is that the bill lands at the feet of
the UK, despite it having been the Sp govt that withdrew the labour and
thereby forbade them from working and making further contributions. The good
thing about that is that it costs Gib nothing, and while the bill is lain at
the UK's door, as a UK taxpayer it costs me personally around 50p. I intend
to lose no sleep, and I have no need to adjust any financial plans I may
have had.
K