El Aeropuerto de Gibraltar
RafaMinu
población de Gibraltar.
Al estar encerrados entre muros, los "llanitos" estaban pereciendo como
moscas.
España, por razones puramente humanitarias, cedió temporalmente el
uso de una parte del istmo gibraltareño, donde se instalaron
campamentos provisionales sanitarios para atender a la población
gibraltareña apestada.
Tras la epidemia, los ingleses decidieron quedarse con esos terrenos y
no devolverlos, como simbolo de agradecimiento por no haberles dejado
morir como ratas.
Allí instalaron el aeropuerto de Gibraltar en 1938 y en 1966
declararon oficialmente que los terrenos eataban bajo su soberanía.
Aqui en España tenemos un dicho que describe muy bien estos
personajes:
"De Bien Nacido
es ser Agradecido"
decaballeria
A quien se le ocurre ser compadecido con los ingleses; maxime que les
robaron el penon y siempre se los andan jodiendo.
Se requiere alta dosis de gilipopollinina, intravenosa, para comportarse
como ustedes, venancios de Nuestro Senor.
Otro dicho descriptivo:
"No hay mejor buey
que el que la coyunta lame"
Salud y curvas, Paco
Pero seran bestias.
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los "llanitos", ya que a los pobres desgraciaos ni siquiera les han
construido un Hospital medio decente con un minimo de equipamiento.
Asi que si tienen alguna Urgencia medica tienen 2 opciones:
1- Se mueren de camino en el avion a Inglaterra
2- Van a algun hospital cercano español, donde se les atiende como a
cualquier otra persona.
Los ingleses les tratan peor que a los perros (y no estoy exagerando,
cualquiera que haya conocida a una inglesa con perrito lo sabe) y
encima les besan el culo y se sienten muy agradecidos porque se les
permite estafar dinero con el blanqueo de dinero.
Pero para variar, aqui los malos somos los españoles, que les
oprimimos y les maltratamos...
Jim Watt
wrote:
you missed the part about little red riding hood and the
wolf in that fairy story.
Its complete nonsense.
The status of the territory between the North Front of The Rock and La
Linea was settled militarily and diplomatically over 200 years ago.
In 1713, at the time of the cession of Gibraltar in perpetuity to the
British Crown, various fortifications were established and occupied by
British troops in the area which came to be known as 'the British
Neutral Ground'. This was the area to the North of Gibraltar,
militarily conquered and continuously occupied by the British except,
during time of war.
After the Spanish attack (In Breach of Spain's written promise in the
treaty of Utrecht) in 1727 was repulsed by the British, the treaty of
Seville (1729) was the scene of long arguments between the Government
of Spain and the United Kingdom as to how far North the 'undoubted
right' of Britain extended from the North face of the Rock and it was
finally accepted that a distance of 600 Toises, being more than 2
cannon shots distance between the British guns and the Spanish guns,
would be considered 'the neutral gound', and so it continued
thereafter.
[Editors Note: Paolo Narvaez Guarnieri defines a Toise as a unit
equivalent to length of two arms. Equal to 1.949 meters ]
After the 14th seige ended in 1783, the British resumed the occupation
of the British half of the neutral ground, and at least since 1838,
when permenant sentries were posted along the line of the then
existing frontier, the entire area has been exclusivly occupied and
administered by the Gibraltar authorities.
In 1908 the British constructed a fence along 'the British edge of the
neutral territory at Gibraltar' (actually, to avoid offending Spain it
was put 1 metre inside the British territory) and, for reasons of
courtesy, gave notice to the Government of Spain before doing so.
During the construction of the border fence, the Governor of Algeciras
was instructed to complain that it was being built 'one or two metres
in advance' of the British line, and he explained in his letter to the
Governor of Gibraltar ' I should not have called your excelency's
attention were it not that such construction has gone beyond the line
of British sentries'
As has often been the case, statements made by the Spanish Government
are less than accurate and cannot be relied upon.
The British foreign secretary Sir Edward Grey had the matter looked
into and in 1909 wrote to the Spanish ambassador in London to draw to
his attention and request that he inform his Government in Madrid that
'It is perfectly clear ... that the fence ... will be entirely upon
British territory'. The Spanish Government did not seek to argue the
contrary and in any event gained 1 metre of the soverign territory of
Gibraltar, which they continue to occupy today.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com
Jim Watt
wrote:
>Y aun asi, hoy dia el Estado Español sigue atendiendo sanitariamente a
>los "llanitos", ya que a los pobres desgraciaos ni siquiera les han
>construido un Hospital medio decente con un minimo de equipamiento.
¿ Como puede usted ser tan ignorante ?
nosotros tenemos un nuevo hospital.
la cuenta era 90m euros. ¿ Que el pueblo de 30,000 gente en España
tiene esto ? El 'equipo mínimo' es un scanner MRI :)
True
Y que pueblo tiene el doble de sociedades registradas que habitantes.
Se me ocurren varias expresiones entre las cuales "cueva de piratas" es
la más suave.
--
RafaMinu
los antepasados de los habitantes de Gibraltar.
Si no hubiera sido por la ayuda española, casi toda la poblacion
hubiera perecido, y muchos de los actuales llanitos simplemente no
existirian.
El Moscardon
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La Roca es un nido de delincuentes, lugar muy frecuentado por capos
mafiosos, que ha prosperado gracias al contrabando, tráfico de droga,
blanqueo de capitales, crimen organizado, etc. etc.
Los llanitos son descendientes de la mezcla entre antiguos piratas ingleses,
moros, españoles y turcos y hablan un chapurreo entre inglés y español con
acento andaluz, más español que inglés. Son personas de las que uno no se
puede fiar ni un pelo.
--
Mosqui
Earle Horton
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> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:06:27 +0000 (UTC), "True" <tr...@thetruth.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Y que pueblo tiene el doble de sociedades registradas que
> > habitantes.
>
> meaningless.
In my country the various states take care of vehicle taxation and
registration. Some of the differences between neighboring states are
enormous. For example, I read in the Seattle Times, that one couple living
in Washington State had purchased a million dollar motor home in Oregon, and
registered it there, even though they planned to garage the vehicle in
Washington. The sales personnel in Oregon helped them to set up a dummy
address and post office box too, so one assumes that they were well
acquainted with the process. The savings for one year of vehicle taxes and
fees was some $90,000.
Once the neighbors in Washington realized that a vehicle licensed in Oregon
was permanently parked next door, they called the district attorney who went
after the couple for felony tax evasion.
Now I'm not saying that this sort of thing happens between Gibraltar and
Spain, but I'm not saying it doesn't. I'll bet the various Spanish
jurisdictions would like to get their hands on all that vehicle registration
money though.
Saludos,
Earle
RafaMinu
But unless anyone proves anything, it's perfectly legal to, for
example, buy property through an intermediary company based in Gib and
thus avoid most of the taxes.
Not for the ordinary doe, dough, just big capitals with loads of
unexplained income.
RafaMinu
Jim Watt wrote:
> >Y aun asi, hoy dia el Estado Español sigue atendiendo sanitariamente a
> >los "llanitos", ya que a los pobres desgraciaos ni siquiera les han
> >construido un Hospital medio decente con un minimo de equipamiento.
>
> ¿ Como puede usted ser tan ignorante ?
>
> http://www.gsd.gi/health.htm
Tiene ud. otro link?
> nosotros tenemos un nuevo hospital.
>
> http://www.gha.gov.gi/
Aqui tampoco hay nada, solo:
"Historic facade of old St. Bernard's Hospital which will be
decommissioned
in early 2005 in favour of a new modern hospital in Europort"
> la cuenta era 90m euros. ¿ Que el pueblo de 30,000 gente en España
> tiene esto ? El 'equipo mínimo' es un scanner MRI :)
90 million Euros?
So where is it?
Not even a website?
A photo?
Something?
Lo unico que encuentro es:
"When the contractor started in 2002 it was anticipated that
construction completion would be November 2003. However, as with any
major project and particularly the reconfiguration of four buildings
into one integrated unit, delays have occurred. These were unforeseen
in the main with all of them now resolved. The consequence of these
difficulties has been that completion, as anticipated by the
contractor, will be February 2004."
y
"The public hospital for Gibraltar. It has the major specialities
(medicine, surgery, paeds, O&G, ENT, care of the elderly) but
complicated cases have to be transferred to the UK or Spain. There is
one surgeon here."
Muchos paises del Tercer Mundo estan mejor atendidos, y muchos perros
de las Islas Británicas tambien
Earle Horton
a la gente que pagamos nuestros impuestos es un crimen en serio. Te
recomiendo la vida honesta, porque un vez que toques la mugre, te ensuciarás
de pies a cabeza. No tendré ningún socio sin la reputación más pura.
Saludos,
San Earle de Albuquerque
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ser gilipollas.
Yo, la verdad es que soy bastante gilipollas...
No es un delito pequeño. En España el IVA (Tax) es del 16%. El 16% de
miles de millones de euros es bastante dinero...
Jim Watt
wrote:
>> http://www.gsd.gi/health.htm
>Ahi no veo nada. Tiene ud. otro link?
Works for me. Try again.
The new hospital is in Europort, its up and running for nearly
two years. There is an external picture of it on their website
And if there is something they cannot do there, medicine being a
very specialised thing, they send patients to the UK or Spain and
in both cases the Government of Gibraltar pays the full cost.
So Spain actually makes money from Gibraltar for this.
ElGaucho
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> And if there is something they cannot do there, medicine being a
> very specialised thing, they send patients to the UK or Spain and
> in both cases the Government of Gibraltar pays the full cost.
>
> So Spain actually makes money from Gibraltar for this.
Right!, and, in general, how many cases to Spain vs. those going to England?
Me parece que Uds en Gibraltar están haciendo cosas parecidas a la gente que
vive en las Malvinas.
Me pare, solamente.
Oscar
Jim Watt
>
>"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
>
>
>> And if there is something they cannot do there, medicine being a
>> very specialised thing, they send patients to the UK or Spain and
>> in both cases the Government of Gibraltar pays the full cost.
>>
>> So Spain actually makes money from Gibraltar for this.
>
>Right!, and, in general, how many cases to Spain vs. those going to England?
Most have been referred to the UK, however Spain is available as
an option as its easier to drive to Seville than fly to London
and the hospitals are as good or better.
However, in both cases they are processed as private patients
with the GoG picking up the tab. As they also pay a relative
to fly to the UK and for accomodation, Spain is a lower cost
alternative and less stressful.
Although my Spanish is poor, I might also prefer it as there
is no guarantee the people in the British hospital will speak
English ...
Jim GM4DHJ
> Although my Spanish is poor, I might also prefer it as there
> is no guarantee the people in the British hospital will speak
> English ...
> --
> Jim Watt
Tee Hee !
ElGaucho
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
>>
>>Right!, and, in general, how many cases to Spain vs. those going to
>>England?
>
> Most have been referred to the UK, however Spain is available as
> an option as its easier to drive to Seville than fly to London
> and the hospitals are as good or better.
>
> However, in both cases they are processed as private patients
> with the GoG picking up the tab. As they also pay a relative
> to fly to the UK and for accomodation, Spain is a lower cost
> alternative and less stressful.
>
> Although my Spanish is poor, I might also prefer it as there
> is no guarantee the people in the British hospital will speak
> English ...
In the British hospital? In Spain?
And what's the official language in Gibraltar? English only?
Jim Watt
ach dinna ken wit ye's blethering aboot ...
ElGaucho
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>> Most have been referred to the UK, however Spain is available as
>> an option as its easier to drive to Seville than fly to London
>> and the hospitals are as good or better.
>> However, in both cases they are processed as private patients
>> with the GoG picking up the tab. As they also pay a relative
>> to fly to the UK and for accomodation, Spain is a lower cost
>> alternative and less stressful.
Missed something: You're are saying that "most" are referred to the UK.
Does it mean they actually GO to the UK for treatment? Seems a bit of a
contradiction... vs. driving to Seville, with 'better'? hospitals, cheaper,
things easier in Seville, doesn't it?
Oscar
Ken
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
Oi!
K
RafaMinu
Jim Watt wrote:
> On 27 Sep 2006 08:15:17 -0700, "RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> http://www.gsd.gi/health.htm
>
> >Ahi no veo nada. Tiene ud. otro link?
>
> Works for me. Try again.
>
> The new hospital is in Europort, its up and running for nearly
> two years. There is an external picture of it on their website
>
> >> http://www.gha.gov.gi/
Hospital.
Can't it afford to have its own website?
Anyway, what I see is an empty building, and some text below that says:
"The Gibraltar Health Authority has comissioned an overhaul of its
website which is currently under way."
Maybe the Hospital is going through an overhaul as well. How strange
being so new.
> And if there is something they cannot do there, medicine being a
> very specialised thing, they send patients to the UK or Spain and
> in both cases the Government of Gibraltar pays the full cost.
>
> So Spain actually makes money from Gibraltar for this.
But Spain is not trying to "make money" out of this, it's just helping
you out.
If you have a real emergency, there's no other place you can go but
Spain and you know it, and tou should thank the Spanish State for being
compassionate towards the people of Gibraltar, as it was during the
yellow fever epidemic of 1815 and 1854
ElGaucho
"RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Hace unos días me enviaste lo siguiente:
1- Low-level formatting
2- Install Windows
3- Software imprescidible:
FireFox
ZoneAlarm
Clam Anti-Virus
Ad Aware
All of them free...
Yo lo guardé como referencia, porque entonces no había tiempo.
Ahora ando con un poco de grippe, y bueno, estoy mirando algunas cosas con
la computadora (y puteando con mensajes de email y del grupo...jejeje!)
Y pregunto:
Qué es eso de Clam Anti-Virus (no lo puedo buscar por la red, acordate)
Y ZoneAlarm free?? Pero yo lo pagué (y viene con Spyware y Anti-virus)
Tengo Firefox y Adware OK
Otra: Tengo dos hard drives instaladas: C y D. Bien, Tengo a la C con Wxpsp2
y es ahí donde hace el booting.
Pero sabés? Aparece como D: o segundo disco. ??? En el BIOS setup todo
bien: esa drive C aparece como C y la otra es D. Boot from C. No solamente
eso: no hay nada, nada (solamente directorios) en el root directory de la
segunda drive para que pueda hacer booting desde ahí y decir 'yo soy C'.
Yo no le encuentro la vuelta. ¿Vos has visto eso alguna vez?
Disculpá la molestia que te joda, pero capaz que te interesa.
Saluti
Oscar
Gurriato
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:06:27 +0000 (UTC), "True" <tr...@thetruth.org>
> wrote:
>
>>Y que pueblo tiene el doble de sociedades registradas que habitantes.
>
> Look at the car registration numbers that is almost as
> meaningless.
En trente ans, Gibraltar est devenu une place financière de tout premier
plan.
Cet éclatant succès n'est pas le fruit d'une longue tradition mais d'une
politique délibérée et bien ordonnée. Pays des sociétés holding et de la
fiducie qui garantissent discrétion et anonymat aux investisseurs et
épargnants, Gibraltar défend aussi un secret bancaire des mieux protégé au
monde.
Cette forteresse financière au cour de l'Europe n'accorde qu'une coopération
judiciaire limitée - l'évasion fiscale n'entre pas dans le champs de l'entraide
- et reconnaît toujours d'interminables voies de recours contre les
demandes des magistrats étrangers.
La mondialisation des échanges et la libéralisation des mouvements de
capitaux, en l'absence de toute nouvelle régulation au niveau international,
se sont accompagnées depuis vingt ans d'une accélération et d'un
accroissement sans précédent de la vitesse et du volume des capitaux d'origine
criminelle en circulation.
Cette situation, inacceptable de la part d'un pays membre de l'Union
européenne, entrave gravement le fonctionnement de la coopération judiciaire
et constitue un des principaux obstacles à la lutte contre la délinquance
financière et le blanchiment des capitaux.
La Cité de Londres, et les Dépendances de la Couronne sont aussi des
centres offshore, sanctuaires de l'argent sale. L'Espagne demeure
particulièrement vulnérable au blanchiment des capitaux de Gibraltar en
raison des millions d'opérations qui s'y traitent chaque jour, de la variété
des produits financiers qui y sont proposés, de la permissivité de la
législation sur les trusts qui garantit l'anonymat des bénéficiaires réels
des fonds, de l'absence de réglementation de certaines professions
financières. Gibraltar, coffre-fort de la finance du monde mediterranée,
continue d'ignorer largement ses obligations anti-blanchiment pendant que la
communauté des magistrats des différents pays d'Europe souffre des
interminables exigences du Royaume-Uni pour accorder sa coopération
judiciaire.
En vertu de ses engagements européens, la Grande-Bretagne doit démanteler
les paradis bancaires et judiciaires que sont les Dépendances de la Couronne
et les Territoires " overseas " envers lesquels elle exerce une
responsabilité particulière. Gibraltar fais un combat de façade contre le
blanchiment des capitaux. Sous les coups répétés de scandales
politico-financiers, Gibraltar s'est juridiquement doté d'un ensemble de
mesures spécifiques, destinées à lutter contre le blanchiment des
capitaux.Toutefois l'application de la loi dans ce domaine se heurte à de
vives réticences et de graves inerties de la part des acteurs de la place
financière. Négativement qualifiée de "centre offshore " par les experts
internationaux,Gibraltar, véritable prédateur de la finance mondiale, a mis
en place une stratégie bien ordonnée de captation des capitaux venus du
monde entier.
Revenus non déclarés, fortunes de dictateurs, commissions occultes, tous ces
fonds viennent encore trouver refuge dans le Peñón où ils sont efficacement
et discrètement gérés par des professionnels de la finance. Des
intermédiaires financiers gèrent ainsi les comptes en Gibraltar de milliers
de sociétés domiciliées offshore, derrière lesquelles s'abritent les
véritables bénéficiaires de ces sommes.
Les autorités espagnoles n'ont pas encore été capables, à ce jour, de
combattre efficacement ces mécanismes fiduciaires que l'on retrouve
systématiquement utilisés, de manière détournée, à des fins de blanchiment.
Le Royaume-Uni ne pourra pas, d'autre part, continuer de rester
indéfiniment en retrait par rapport à ses voisins de l'Union européenne, sur
la question fiscale et celle de l'entraide judiciaire.
Il lui faut maintenant faciliter la coopération judiciaire encore entravée
par d'inutiles voies de recours et ne plus opposer l'exception fiscale.
Gibraltar est un territoire complaisant sous protection anglaise. El Peñón
présente tous les avantages pour le placement des capitaux - très faible
fiscalité, réseau bancaire dynamique, et separation politique de l'Espagne.
L'absence de déontologie bancaire rigoureuse, l'existence d'une législation
qui garantit l'anonymat des transactions, une de petrole sans contrôle, une
coopération administrative et judiciaire internationale défaillante, font de
Gibraltar un lieu propice au blanchiment des capitaux.
L'Espagne, qui s'est fortement engagée, sur le plan international, dans la
lutte contre la criminalité financière ne peut que souhaiter une évolution
rapide de Gibraltar sur la question du blanchiment des capitaux.
Gibraltar est un paradis de la délinquance financière. Gibraltar n'est
guère connu du grand public mais il est très réputé auprès des hommes
d'affaires et de tous ceux qui souhaitent dans l'anonymat et l'impunité la
plus totale y placer des fonds d'origine douteuse. Gibraltar est le
territoire en Europe où convergent les fonds de la mafia, de la corruption
et du terrorisme.
S'il continue à se maintenir volontairement en dehors des règles du jeu et à
déroger aux principes posés par les pays occidentaux pour lutter contre le
blanchiment, Gibraltar et le Royaume-Uni s'exposent à des sanctions
politiques et économiques de la part de la Communauté internationale.
L'Espagne, dans ce combat, ne doit pas hésiter à limiter voire interdire
toute relation d'affaire avec ce pays.
Saludos
GURRIATO
Gurriato
"Earle Horton" <anglocap...@usa.com> wrote in message
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Gibraltar est devenu avec le temps un abri fiscal. Londres s'en inquiète
aujourd'hui, car les paradis fiscaux ne sont pas bien vus dans la nouvelle
Europe. Gibraltar constitue même une épine au pied de l'Europe entière.
Cependant, le "patriotisme" gibraltarien ne pèse pas lourd dans l'Europe du
XXI siècle, en tout cas pas pour le gouvernement britannique qui tente de
tisser des liens avec l'Espagne. En effet, 300 000 Britanniques habitent
l'Espagne, des millions d'autres y brassent des affaires ou y prennent des
vacances. L'Espagne est grande, riche et représente potentiellement un
immense atout pour le Royaume-Uni au sein de l'Union. Alors, il n'est pas
question de laisser 30 000 Gibraltariens prendre en otage la politique
étrangère de 60 millions de Britanniques. L'Espagne pourrait être une alliée
de taille pour le Royaume-Uni au sein de l'Europe à la condition de régler
cette vieille querelle tricentenaire qui ternit les relations entre les deux
pays.
Le "patriotisme" des Gibraltariens, en majorité de descendance espagnole, ne
serait qu'une pure façade. La colonie voudrait rester britannique parce
qu'elle prétend conserver ses privilèges et son statut de centre financier
de zone franche et "offshore banking", ce qui lui procure la plus grande
large part de ses revenus. La colonie est un repaire de bandits abritant la
mafia et les gros bonnets (environ 200 millionnaires) qui souhaitent
échapper à l'impôt.
Gibraltar constitue une économie parasitaire de l'Espagne,une invitation
permanente à l'évasion fiscale du pays le plus proche, qui est l'Espagne et
permet le blanchiment d'argent provenant du trafic de la drogue. 80 000
sociétés fantômes se sont installées à Gibraltar, sans rendre aucunement
compte de leurs activités.
Pour les Gibraltariens, ce sont là des faussetés! Il s'agirait d'une
campagne de dénigrement destinée à les forcer à négocier la rétrocession de
leur territoire, bla, bla bla.
Saludos
GURRIATO
Gurriato
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
No sé que coños hace España proporcionando a unos bandidos servicios tales
como cuidados hospitalarios, lineas de teléfonos y una frontera abierta para
que sigan estafándonos con impunidad. La única solución es el completo
cierre de la verja y la vigilancia extricta de barcas de motor para evitar
el contrabando y el tráfico de droga.
GURRIATO
Jim Watt
>Missed something: You're are saying that "most" are referred to the UK.
>Does it mean they actually GO to the UK for treatment?
Yes.
>Seems a bit of a contradiction... vs. driving to Seville, with 'better'?
>hospitals, cheaper, things easier in Seville, doesn't it?
Not really. On occasion its been faster to get a flight to London
than to queue up at the frontier. When the border was closed there
was no alternative but to refer patients to the UK and that continued
doctors here built up relationships with UK hospitals and knew their
strengths etc.
And there has been a lack of trust between Gibraltar and Spain.
Gurriato
> "Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
La population de Gibraltar compte 31 000 habitants, dont la plupart sont
d'origine gibraltarienne, britannique, marocaine, espagnole, portugaise,
italienne ou indo-pakistanaise. Au moins 70 % de la population sont des
Gibraltariens et parlent en principe l'anglais; les ancêtres des
Gilbraltariens étaient des Espagnols, plus précisément des Andalous parlant
la variété andalouse de l'espagnol. Le second groupe est constitué des
Britanniques avec 13,3 % de la population, ce qui donne théoriquement un
cumul de 83 % pour la langue anglaise.
Cependant, il convient d'apporter quelques nuances, car les Gibraltariens
s'expriment dans la vie quotidienne en spanglish, appelé localement le
Yanito ou le Llanito (forme espagnole). Il s'agit d'une langue mixte issue
de l'espagnol andalou et de l'anglais. C'est la langue véhiculaire de tous
les habitants du territoire (sauf pour les Britanniques), même parmi les
citoyens les plus "patriotiques". L'anglais est réservé à l'école, pour la
lecture et l'écriture, ainsi que pour les communications formelles.
D'ailleurs, les noms de famille des Gibraltariens sont restés espagnols,
mais également italiens, maltais ou anglais.
La plupart des Gibraltariens préfèrent l'orthographe locale yanito, plutôt
que la forme espagnole Llanito. Ils se nomment eux-mêmes des Yanitos
(hommes) ou des Yanitas (femmes), ou Llanitos ou Llanitas en espagnol. La
salutation "Hola, Yanis" est courante entre Gibraltariens lorsqu'ils se
rencontrent. De plus, l'expression "los Yanis" est également utilisée dans
une petite ville espagnole située juste de l'autre de la frontière, La
Línea, pour décrire -généralement dédaigneusement -leurs voisins
gibraltariens. À l'opposé, les Gibraltariens appellent les habitants de La
Línea "the sloppies" (en français: «négligés») parce que, dans le passé, ces
habitants et en particulier leurs soldats à la frontière étaient très mal
habillés.
Un Britannique ne comprend généralement pas le yanito (spanglish), surtout
s'il ne sait rien de l'espagnol; la communication demeure tout de même
malaisé pour un hispanophone, car les particularités locales et les mots
anglais, maltais ou italiens embrouillent la compréhension. En fait, le
spanglish ou yanito n'est ni de l'anglais ni de l'espagnol, mais un mélange
des deux avec des caractéristiques particulières, ce qui en fait
techniquement une troisième langue, mixte celle-là, que les linguistes
appellent généralement un créole.
En somme, les Gibraltariens sont généralement trilingues: ils parlent le
yanito entre eux, l'anglais à l'école et avec l'Administration, puis
l'espagnol lorsqu'ils quittent leur petit territoire ou communiquent avec
les touristes.
Par ailleurs, l'anglais des Gibraltariens est relativement différent de
celui des Britanniques. En effet, ils parlent l'anglais avec des mots
espagnols, italiens et maltais - c'est le résultat de l'histoire de
Gibraltar- avec une prononciation nettement andalouse à un point tel que
l'anglais gibraltarien risque de surprendre, par exemple, un Anglais de
Liverpool, qui peut bien se demander s'il s'agit de la même langue. Bref,
l'anglais gibraltarien est un anglais très régionalisé. Évidemment, les
Britanniques et le personnel militaire s'expriment en anglais d'Angleterre.
Saludos
GURRIATO
Jim Watt
wrote:
>> >> http://www.gha.gov.gi/
>That's the home Page of the Gibraltar Health Authority, not the
>Hospital.
Who do you think runs the hospital ?
>Can't it afford to have its own website?
Why when its part of the health authority, its not a private
hospital and its not a profit making organisation.
>But Spain is not trying to "make money" out of this, it's just helping
>you out.
Its a commercial transaction, if I go to the market and buy onions
the man is not 'helping me' by selling them.
>If you have a real emergency, there's no other place you can go but
>Spain and you know it, and tou should thank the Spanish State for being
>compassionate towards the people of Gibraltar.
Gibraltar learnt how to manage without Spain when the frontier was
closed. At the time the only source of oxygen was overland and the
supplies ran out. People died.
Jim Watt
<pata...@netnitco.net> wrote:
>Gibraltar est un paradis de la délinquance financière.
Thats not what the OECD says about it.
You demonstrate you can talk shit in more than one
language, but its still smells the same.
Gurriato
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
Recuerda que hoy dia es posible detectar las lanchas del contrabando de
tabaco y el trafico de drogas y organizar un buen bloqueo maritimo.
See whether you could manage THAT!
GURRIATO
ElGaucho
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> Why when its part of the health authority, its not a private
> hospital and its not a profit making organisation.
>>But Spain is not trying to "make money" out of this, it's just helping
>>you out.
> Its a commercial transaction, if I go to the market and buy onions
> the man is not 'helping me' by selling them.
Y'know, I'm trying to understand you a wee bit. You made a statement re:
not-for-profit organizations, and there I agree with you. But, don't you
think that this other, sort of cynical outlook of motivations, actually
belie what you previously stated.?
Really! The onion vendor is there to sell, OK. But, if he sees you hungry
on the street and gives you an onion saying: 'pay me later' that he's there
just for the profit, when you pay him? D'you really think that a Spanish H
would turn out out on the street even if you can't pay? I don't know about
Span.H's, just expressing my doubts.
>>If you have a real emergency, there's no other place you can go but
>>Spain and you know it, and tou should thank the Spanish State for being
>>compassionate towards the people of Gibraltar.
> Gibraltar learnt how to manage without Spain when the frontier was
> closed. At the time the only source of oxygen was overland and the
> supplies ran out. People died.
Really? Did people in Spain know about that? Sometimes it's your known
leaders that close the doors from the inside. Again, I'm only guessing.
Regards,
Oscar
Earle Horton
> On 27 Sep 2006 14:33:07 -0700, "RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >> http://www.gha.gov.gi/
> >That's the home Page of the Gibraltar Health Authority, not the
> >Hospital.
>
> Who do you think runs the hospital ?
>
> >Can't it afford to have its own website?
>
> Why when its part of the health authority, its not a private
> hospital and its not a profit making organisation.
>
>
> >But Spain is not trying to "make money" out of this, it's just helping
> >you out.
>
> Its a commercial transaction, if I go to the market and buy onions
> the man is not 'helping me' by selling them.
Medical care a commercial transaction? Are you sure you're not one of us?
I thought that Americans and residents of countries with feudalism were the
only ones left, who pay for our own health care. It's shocking, that you
could even think this way.
Saludos,
Earle
Begoluna
> En somme, les Gibraltariens sont généralement trilingues: ils parlent
¡Como nuestro Paquito y los Tex-Mex!! :-D
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Begoluna
>>Gibraltar est un paradis de la délinquance financière.
> You demonstrate you can talk shit in more than one
> language, but its still smells the same.
Guggiato's Fgench smells like... eau de toilette! :-D
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Begoluna
> ach dinna ken wit ye's blethering aboot ...
Beam me up, Scottish!! :-D
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Begoluna
> Gibraltar est devenu avec le temps un abri fiscal. Londres s'en
Guggiato est devenu... fou. 8-)P
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Begoluna
> Guggiato est devenu... fou. 8-)P
If quelqu'un/une/it needs a translation French 2 Spanglish, cobro €50 por
palabra up to three syllabes y €60 por bad expresiones. I'm going to
devient riche with el Guggiato!! :-D
ElGaucho
"Begoluna" <beg...@no.spam> wrote in message
news:UsadnbMRmYl9sIbY...@giganews.com...
> Jim Watt <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in
>
>> ach dinna ken wit ye's blethering aboot ...
>
> Beam me up, Scottish!! :-D
Ye ken the lingo, lassie, no doot!
Begoluna
> "Begoluna" <beg...@no.spam> wrote in message
>> Beam me up, Scottish!! :-D
>
> Ye ken the lingo, lassie, no doot!
Say Watt??? :-D
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Begoluna
>> >> Ye ken the lingo, lassie, no doot!
> Say Watt??? :-D
lassie = muchacha, bitch (perra Lassie), culito (l'ass-ie, l'arse-ie)
De quoi tu parles? :-? Oh, I comprendo! You're calling moi "big butt
bitch"!! :-D OK, c'est bien, d'accord, wherever!!
ElGaucho
"Begoluna" <beg...@no.spam> wrote in message
No, che. Tu culito....MMMMmmmmhhh.... y más MMMMmmmmhhh's
Culpa tuya por traer ese tema de hard core y cosas de relajos.. Ahora si
pienso en tu trasero... su forma..las posibilidades..... Bueno, mi
imaginación 'tá que vuela.
¿tenés alguna fotito por ahí? ..... Digo, para aliviar estas impaciencias
que siento...
Juas!
Oscar
Begoluna
> si pienso en tu trasero... su forma..las posibilidades..... Bueno, mi
> imaginación 'tá que vuela.
>
> ¿tenés alguna fotito por ahí? ..... Digo, para aliviar estas
Solamente mi proctólogo, el Doctor Gurriato, :-D tiene fotos de mi trasero.
Pero, para no desanimarte, te envío una mía en bañador. :-)
Begorda
http://home.comcast.net/~begoluna/
ElGaucho
"Begoluna" <beg...@no.spam> wrote in message
OK. Mañana quizas pueda ver todas esas fotos. Hoy he planchado en todo al
tratar la red.
Y¿ por qué no puedo ser yo tu proctólogo?
De experiencia...bueno..he proctologiado en pila ya. Yo soy de frente ancha
y de ideas avanzadas, pa' que sepas.
Y ni bien entro un cachito, hay que verme avanzar... ¡¡Chácate!! Y sí que
avanzo profundo y me abro paso valientemente, aunque la situación sea algo
peluda.
Pa' que sepas y tengas en cuenta...ná má..
:-)
Oscar
PS te copié ese signo de risitas ese tuyo. Espero que esté bien y que no
sea nada de giving ye the bird..
Wiffi
RafaMinu wrote:
> Para el 70% de los españoles y el 99% de los llanitos ser honesto es
> ser gilipollas.
> Yo, la verdad es que soy bastante gilipollas...
>
> No es un delito pequeño. En España el IVA (Tax) es del 16%. El 16% de
> miles de millones de euros es bastante dinero...
>
Rafaminu, perhaps only for a short while you should take off those
anti-Gibraltarian glasses of yours and try not to diminish everything
and anything Gibraltarian...just for once.
I know that your hatred of all things Gibraltarian stems firstly from
losing your job here and secondly (apparently) from having an
unfortunate incident over a shopping trolley with a Gibraltarian, but I
hardly think that qualifies you as a serious, objective analyst of the
Gibraltarian pysche and the Gibraltarian character.
Let me be so bold as to correct you on your assertion that 99% of the
Gibraltarians don't pay taxes, which is something you insinuate in an
earlier post. I know many Spaniards are comfortable with this myth
because it sits very nicely with their perception (born out of purely
political motivations) that Gibraltar is nothing but a den of thieves
and criminals. Whilst I accept there is little I can do to change your
perception of us (consumed as you are by your xenophobic hatred, which
also extends to the French, I see) I can certainly point you to the
fact that us Gibraltarian workers pay an average 35% tax on our
incomes.
Yes 35%.
That makes us one of the highest taxpaying areas in Europe, right up
there with Scandinavia. Our taxes are spent, among other things, on a
solid health system, an excellent education system (which sees our
students attain record levels of passes at GCSE and A-level every
academic year and subsequently attend UK universities of their choice
paid for by the Gibraltarian coffers).
For all the excellence of our health system, there are times when
specialist treatment is required, and it is then that our patients are
given the PERSONAL CHOICE of going to hospitals in either Spain or the
UK to receive that treatment. The treatment given to our patients in
either country is fully paid for by our Government - its hardly an act
of selfless kindness by the authorities involved. Having said that, the
treatment given to our people in both Spain and the UK is usually of a
very high order and the relationships and cooperation at professional
and administrative levels are always excellent. Naturally, that we
should have access to those hospitals in Spain and the UK is a point
worth celebrating, and something we should be grateful for in and of
itself.
Our shared history is marked by moments of kindness and human warmth.
You give the example of the 19th century Yellow Fever epidemic. As
another, we should mention the shelter and kindness given to Republican
refugees in Gibraltar by the majority of Gibraltarians during the
Spanish Civil War. These truly selfless acts went against the official
position of the British Government (the farce of non-interventionism).
Many refugees even chose to stay in Gibraltar, marry into Gibraltarian
families and make Gibraltar their permanent home. This is an aspect of
our history that is often ignored and overlooked.
Jim Watt
>Really! The onion vendor is there to sell, OK. But, if he sees you hungry
>on the street and gives you an onion saying: 'pay me later' that he's there
>just for the profit, when you pay him? D'you really think that a Spanish H
>would turn out out on the street even if you can't pay? I don't know about
>Span.H's, just expressing my doubts.
The basis on which Gibraltarians use Spanish hospitals is either in an
emergency under the European scheme (was eu 1/11) or on a strictly
commercial basis, where either the patient or the Government of
Gibraltar pay. I am informed they ask for payment in full before
starting any treatment. There is no charity element involved, its
simply buying services. They have good hospitals and facilities
accessible and we have money to pay for them. Although we have a
large modern hospital, its simply not possible for the doctors there
to specialise in everything so those things they cannot do or can be
done better elesewhere are contracted out.
>
>>>If you have a real emergency, there's no other place you can go but
>>>Spain and you know it, and tou should thank the Spanish State for being
>>>compassionate towards the people of Gibraltar.
>
>> Gibraltar learnt how to manage without Spain when the frontier was
>> closed. At the time the only source of oxygen was overland and the
>> supplies ran out. People died.
>
>Really? Did people in Spain know about that? Sometimes it's your known
>leaders that close the doors from the inside. Again, I'm only guessing.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com
Jim Watt
<anglocap...@usa.com> wrote:
>> Its a commercial transaction, if I go to the market and buy onions
>> the man is not 'helping me' by selling them.
>
>Medical care a commercial transaction? Are you sure you're not one of us?
>I thought that Americans and residents of countries with feudalism were the
>only ones left, who pay for our own health care. It's shocking, that you
>could even think this way.
Healthcare is a service.
In the United Kingdom and Gibraltar we all pay taxes and into a
social insurance scheme to cover the cost of treatment when and
if we need it. This means that everyone is covered and that there
are no shareholders of insurance companies expecting a dividend
and a smaller army of accountants to manage the scheme.
However, medicine is a highly specialised area and it makes
sense to send people where they can get the best treatment
and although on a personal level it may not be a financial
thing, on an inter state basis it certainly is.
The Government of Gibraltar pays its way.
Jim Watt
<pata...@netnitco.net> wrote:
>No sé que coños hace España proporcionando a unos bandidos servicios tales
>como cuidados hospitalarios, lineas de teléfonos y una frontera abierta para
>que sigan estafándonos con impunidad. La única solución es el completo
>cierre de la verja y la vigilancia extricta de barcas de motor para evitar
>el contrabando y el tráfico de droga.
Drug smuggling happens in Spain, not Gibraltar.
Spanish visitors who have an accident in Gibraltar would
receive treatment in our nice new modern hospital.
We have a modern digital telephone exchange which provides
all the lines we need in Gibraltar.
PS: In case you missed it, Franco is dead
Jim Watt
<pata...@netnitco.net> wrote:
<snippage>
With English, its possible to identify within around 20
miles radius where someone comes from based on their
use of words and pronounciation. People who learn
English as as second language can be harder to place
as their regionalisation is not so well defined.
The Gibraltarians speak English like Gibraltarians,
people in Kent like those from Kent, those from
Newcastle like martians. The Scots have a lot of
words unique to themselves. We are all British.
In Switzerland they speak French and German and they
are all Swiss.
Earle Horton
I realize all that. It's just that most Europeans, Inglés, Canadians and
even many Americans that I have talked to firmly believe that health care is
a "human right", like housing, food, access to cable TV, etc. It is
refreshing to meet anyone, anywhere, who realizes that it is a service that
costs something and that someone has to pay for
it. It is even more refreshing to meet someone who realizes that it is a
resource that must not be wasted. (Probably not happening here.)
Saludos,
Earle
Earle Horton
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:20:33 -0500, "Gurriato"
> <pata...@netnitco.net> wrote:
>
> <snippage>
>
> With English, its possible to identify within around 20
> miles radius where someone comes from based on their
> use of words and pronounciation. People who learn
> English as as second language can be harder to place
> as their regionalisation is not so well defined.
Many English use RP ("received pronunciation") as their second language or
dialect. In these cases you have to get them drunk first, to find out where
they come from. In the United States we call this "BBC Announcer" English.
>
> The Gibraltarians speak English like Gibraltarians,
> people in Kent like those from Kent, those from
> Newcastle like martians. The Scots have a lot of
> words unique to themselves. We are all British.
>
> In Switzerland they speak French and German and they
> are all Swiss.
>
Many are Italian or, like some Gibraltarians, Russian mafia. ;^)
Saludos,
Earle
Gurriato
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> PS: In case you missed it, Franco is dead
Sat·to.
Deja el rollo del Bahamondiño para tus mamadas propagandísticas, ganster.
GURRIATO
Gurriato
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
Un llanito es un delincuente andaluz con bombín y jarto 'e cuécaro que
se dedica al fraude fiscal, al contrabando o al tráfico de drogas.
(Cuécaro = expresión derivada de la marca de gachas de avena "Quaker Oats")
GURRIATEMBERG
RafaMinu
ElGaucho wrote:
> Y ZoneAlarm free?? Pero yo lo pagué (y viene con Spyware y Anti-virus)
Vale entonces
> Tengo Firefox y Adware OK
ok
> Otra: Tengo dos hard drives instaladas: C y D. Bien, Tengo a la C con Wxpsp2
> y es ahí donde hace el booting.
>
> Pero sabés? Aparece como D: o segundo disco. ??? En el BIOS setup todo
> bien: esa drive C aparece como C y la otra es D. Boot from C. No solamente
> eso: no hay nada, nada (solamente directorios) en el root directory de la
> segunda drive para que pueda hacer booting desde ahí y decir 'yo soy C'.
Are we talking about 2 partitions on the same drive or 2 different
physical drives?
> Yo no le encuentro la vuelta. ¿Vos has visto eso alguna vez?
Yo he visto cosas que tu no creerias
> Disculpá la molestia que te joda, pero capaz que te interesa.
Hombre, tanto como interesarme...
Na, a mandar, que pa eso estamos...
RafaMinu
When urgent specialist treatment is required, your patients have NO
PERSONAL CHOICE but going to hospitals in Spain to receive treatment
and save their lives.
El Moscardon
"Gurriato" <pata...@netnitco.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:uvmdnZ07IYmfmIbY...@netnitco.net...
>
> "Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
>> On 27 Sep 2006 08:15:17 -0700, "RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> http://www.gsd.gi/health.htm
>>
>>>Ahi no veo nada. Tiene ud. otro link?
>>
>> Works for me. Try again.
>>
>> The new hospital is in Europort, its up and running for nearly
>> two years. There is an external picture of it on their website
>>
>>>> http://www.gha.gov.gi/
>>
>> And if there is something they cannot do there, medicine being a
>> very specialised thing, they send patients to the UK or Spain and
>> in both cases the Government of Gibraltar pays the full cost.
>>
>> So Spain actually makes money from Gibraltar for this.
> como cuidados hospitalarios, lineas de teléfonos y una frontera abierta
> para que sigan estafándonos con impunidad. La única solución es el
> completo cierre de la verja y la vigilancia extricta de barcas de motor
> para evitar el contrabando y el tráfico de droga.
Los únicos servicios que les debería prestar España a esos colonizadores,
descendientes directos de piratas y bucaneros, y además gratis total, es
alojamiento en régimen de pensión completa en uno de esos establecimientos
que tienen puertas y ventanas hechas a base de barrotes de hierro, y dos
pijamas
anuales a rayas blancas y negras.
Los monos que quedarían danzando en ese territorio español, para que no se
queden desamparados, se los mandaríamos por ferry a la reina madre y al
orejudo de su hijo a partes iguales, para que los mantengan y se diviertan
con ellos. No queremos nada que no nos pertenezca.
--
Mosqui
Gurriato
"Earle Horton" <anglocap...@usa.com> wrote in message
news:451bf9db$0$3112$a82e...@reader.athenanews.com...
This dude is an outsider in Gibraltar and to many outsiders, Llanito sounds
incomprehensible. He can't read "La Calentita" when she says: " Y todo el
mundo, or at least medio mundo, se apunta al integration, except el UK,
conque the least said the better". Llanitos are not Limeyes, but "andaluces
con bombín". This ganster guy here is from Kent and therefore he speaks
Estuary English with its extremelly annoying glottal stops, that is, "t" is
sounded as a glottal occlusion instead of being fully pronounced. Their way
of pronouncing "water" is ridiculous, wa~~~~~r. They also use lots of Rs at
the end of words: "I sawr a film today, oh boy...", "The idear is...",
"Vodkar and orange".
These assholes adopt the preposterous Estuary accent as a means of
"blending in", appearing to be more working class, or in an attempt to
appear to be "a common man" and also because they thing it is cute. For
example, one of the biggest Guiri assholes, Tony Blair, the British Prime
Minister, has been heard to adopt the accent at times in TV interviews.
I live in Indianajuato, near Chicago, and I speak Chicagoan English myself
now. For me "The Chicago Bears" is "Da Baers". Neither German nor Polish
contains the consonant th and the large number of speakers of those
languages who immigrated to this area approximated the sound as d. Besides I
believe that Mary, marry, and merry all rhyme with each other.
I say faucet instead of spigot, pop for soft drink, shopping cart vs.
shopping buggy, water fountain vs. drinking fountain and teeter totter for
seesaw.
Saludos
DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR
ElGaucho
"RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Pero sabés? Aparece como D: o segundo disco. ??? En el BIOS setup todo
> bien: esa drive C aparece como C y la otra es D. Boot from C. No
> solamente
> eso: no hay nada, nada (solamente directorios) en el root directory de
> la
> segunda drive para que pueda hacer booting desde ahí y decir 'yo soy C'.
Are we talking about 2 partitions on the same drive or 2 different
physical drives?
Dos drives distintas: una Maxtor y otra Fuji. ¿Entendiste el problema? Yo,
sigo medio en ascuas, y eso que vengo desde el 83-84 con mis PC's y he
armado y desarmado, he programado...Si me pongo a examinar el Win-register,
bueno, capaz que vea algo...Pero eso cuesta en atención y tiempo, y un
huevo y la mitad del otro. Quería saber simplemente si vos te habías topado
alguna vez con algo así.
> Yo no le encuentro la vuelta. ¿Vos has visto eso alguna vez?
Yo he visto cosas que tu no creerias
¿Descubristes un espejo y vistes tu reflección? Si, si. Me imagino...Meima
muy muy bien, che! ¡Qué horror de horrores!
'ta la next,
Oscar
RafaMinu
Jim Watt wrote:
> >Can't it afford to have its own website?
>
> Why when its part of the health authority, its not a private
> hospital and its not a profit making organisation.
Because people would like to know what kind of services are provided,
for example...
>
> >But Spain is not trying to "make money" out of this, it's just helping
> >you out.
>
> Its a commercial transaction, if I go to the market and buy onions
> the man is not 'helping me' by selling them.
It's NOT a commercial transaction.
Spanish Social Security is a public institution and does not engage in
any commercial transactions.
It is financed with taxes paid by Spanish people and you should be
grateful for having access to it.
> >If you have a real emergency, there's no other place you can go but
> >Spain and you know it, and tou should thank the Spanish State for being
> >compassionate towards the people of Gibraltar.
>
> Gibraltar learnt how to manage without Spain when the frontier was
> closed. At the time the only source of oxygen was overland and the
> supplies ran out. People died.
People died in great numbers, when under British control, the
population was left to die from yellow fever.
Thanks to the compassion and generosity of the Spanish Government, your
ancestors could save their lives. You and most of the population of
Gibraltar owe their very existence to that compassion and generosity.
RafaMinu
Wiffi wrote:
> RafaMinu wrote:
> > Para el 70% de los españoles y el 99% de los llanitos ser honesto es
> > ser gilipollas.
> > Yo, la verdad es que soy bastante gilipollas...
> >
> > No es un delito pequeño. En España el IVA (Tax) es del 16%. El 16% de
> > miles de millones de euros es bastante dinero...
> >
>
> Rafaminu, perhaps only for a short while you should take off those
> anti-Gibraltarian glasses of yours and try not to diminish everything
> and anything Gibraltarian...just for once.
rather.
It's not my fault there are so many of them.
> I know that your hatred of all things Gibraltarian stems firstly from
> losing your job here and secondly (apparently) from having an
> unfortunate incident over a shopping trolley with a Gibraltarian, but I
> hardly think that qualifies you as a serious, objective analyst of the
> Gibraltarian pysche and the Gibraltarian character.
I didn't loose my job, but rather was cheated by a "llanito" ...
(coincidently)
I have many more anecdotes. Anyone who has had any kind of relationship
with Gibraltar has plenty of stories about "llanitos". Just go over to
La Linea and ask.
> Let me be so bold as to correct you on your assertion that 99% of the
> Gibraltarians don't pay taxes, which is something you insinuate in an
> earlier post. I know many Spaniards are comfortable with this myth
> because it sits very nicely with their perception (born out of purely
> political motivations) that Gibraltar is nothing but a den of thieves
> and criminals. Whilst I accept there is little I can do to change your
> perception of us (consumed as you are by your xenophobic hatred, which
> also extends to the French, I see) I can certainly point you to the
> fact that us Gibraltarian workers pay an average 35% tax on our
> incomes.
>
> Yes 35%.
Well, from my own experience, i can tell you the company i worked for
paid nothing.
I worked over 9 months there, and when I went to the Social Security
here, I found out my beloved "llanito" partner had not paid any taxes
on my work.
But it's just another coincidence...
> That makes us one of the highest taxpaying areas in Europe, right up
> there with Scandinavia. Our taxes are spent, among other things, on a
> solid health system, an excellent education system (which sees our
> students attain record levels of passes at GCSE and A-level every
> academic year and subsequently attend UK universities of their choice
> paid for by the Gibraltarian coffers).
Anyone who has been to Scandinavia and Gibraltar would laugh at your
pathetic attempt to compare both places...
> For all the excellence of our health system, there are times when
> specialist treatment is required,
Excellence my ass
> and it is then that our patients are
> given the PERSONAL CHOICE of going to hospitals in either Spain or the
> UK to receive that treatment.
There's no such thing as PERSONAL CHOICE when you have a medical
emergency.
Well, yes, you can choose between being compassionately treated in
Spain or dying...
> The treatment given to our patients in
> either country is fully paid for by our Government - its hardly an act
> of selfless kindness by the authorities involved.
But it is.We don't need any more overcrowding in our hospitals, but
what else can we do with you people? Otherwise, real emergency cases
would be left to die...
> Having said that, the
> treatment given to our people in both Spain and the UK is usually of a
> very high order and the relationships and cooperation at professional
> and administrative levels are always excellent.
Solo faltaba que encima te quejaras
> Naturally, that we
> should have access to those hospitals in Spain and the UK is a point
> worth celebrating, and something we should be grateful for in and of
> itself.
It's that some kind of thankyou?
> Our shared history is marked by moments of kindness and human warmth.
> You give the example of the 19th century Yellow Fever epidemic. As
> another, we should mention the shelter and kindness given to Republican
> refugees in Gibraltar by the majority of Gibraltarians during the
> Spanish Civil War.
> These truly selfless acts went against the official
> position of the British Government (the farce of non-interventionism).
> Many refugees even chose to stay in Gibraltar, marry into Gibraltarian
> families and make Gibraltar their permanent home. This is an aspect of
> our history that is often ignored and overlooked.
And it is True. ThankYou.
Earle Horton
news:wpudnW7GisxTk4HY...@netnitco.net...
>
> "Earle Horton" <anglocap...@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:451bf9db$0$3112$a82e...@reader.athenanews.com...
>
>
> I live in Indianajuato, near Chicago, and I speak Chicagoan English
> myself now. For me "The Chicago Bears" is "Da Baers". Neither
> German nor Polish contains the consonant th and the large number
> of speakers of those languages who immigrated to this area
> approximated the sound as d. Besides I
> believe that Mary, marry, and merry all rhyme with each other.
>
> I say faucet instead of spigot, pop for soft drink, shopping cart vs.
> shopping buggy, water fountain vs. drinking fountain and teeter totter for
> seesaw.
>
http://earlehorton.tripod.com/howl.mp3
Saludos,
Earle
--
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RafaMinu
Wiffi wrote:
> RafaMinu wrote:
> > Para el 70% de los españoles y el 99% de los llanitos ser honesto es
> > ser gilipollas.
> > Yo, la verdad es que soy bastante gilipollas...
> >
> > No es un delito pequeño. En España el IVA (Tax) es del 16%. El 16% de
> > miles de millones de euros es bastante dinero...
> >
>
> Rafaminu, perhaps only for a short while you should take off those
> anti-Gibraltarian glasses of yours and try not to diminish everything
> and anything Gibraltarian...just for once.
rather.
It's not my fault there are so many of them.
> I know that your hatred of all things Gibraltarian stems firstly from
> losing your job here and secondly (apparently) from having an
> unfortunate incident over a shopping trolley with a Gibraltarian, but I
> hardly think that qualifies you as a serious, objective analyst of the
> Gibraltarian pysche and the Gibraltarian character.
I didn't loose my job, but rather was cheated by a "llanito" ...
(coincidently)
I have many more anecdotes. Anyone who has had any kind of relationship
with Gibraltar has plenty of stories about "llanitos". Just go over to
La Linea and ask.
> Let me be so bold as to correct you on your assertion that 99% of the
> Gibraltarians don't pay taxes, which is something you insinuate in an
> earlier post. I know many Spaniards are comfortable with this myth
> because it sits very nicely with their perception (born out of purely
> political motivations) that Gibraltar is nothing but a den of thieves
> and criminals. Whilst I accept there is little I can do to change your
> perception of us (consumed as you are by your xenophobic hatred, which
> also extends to the French, I see) I can certainly point you to the
> fact that us Gibraltarian workers pay an average 35% tax on our
> incomes.
>
> Yes 35%.
Well, from my own experience, i can tell you the company i worked for
paid nothing.
I worked over 9 months there, and when I went to the Social Security
here, I found out my beloved "llanito" partner had not paid any taxes
on my work.
But it's just another coincidence...
> That makes us one of the highest taxpaying areas in Europe, right up
> there with Scandinavia. Our taxes are spent, among other things, on a
> solid health system, an excellent education system (which sees our
> students attain record levels of passes at GCSE and A-level every
> academic year and subsequently attend UK universities of their choice
> paid for by the Gibraltarian coffers).
Anyone who has been to Scandinavia and Gibraltar would laugh at your
pathetic attempt to compare both places...
> For all the excellence of our health system, there are times when
> specialist treatment is required,
Excellence my ass
> and it is then that our patients are
> given the PERSONAL CHOICE of going to hospitals in either Spain or the
> UK to receive that treatment.
There's no such thing as PERSONAL CHOICE when you have a medical
emergency.
Well, yes, you can choose between being compassionately treated in
Spain or dying...
> The treatment given to our patients in
> either country is fully paid for by our Government - its hardly an act
> of selfless kindness by the authorities involved.
But it is.We don't need any more overcrowding in our hospitals, but
what else can we do with you people? Otherwise, real emergency cases
would be left to die...
> Having said that, the
> treatment given to our people in both Spain and the UK is usually of a
> very high order and the relationships and cooperation at professional
> and administrative levels are always excellent.
Solo faltaba que encima te quejaras
> Naturally, that we
> should have access to those hospitals in Spain and the UK is a point
> worth celebrating, and something we should be grateful for in and of
> itself.
It's that some kind of thankyou?
> Our shared history is marked by moments of kindness and human warmth.
> You give the example of the 19th century Yellow Fever epidemic. As
> another, we should mention the shelter and kindness given to Republican
> refugees in Gibraltar by the majority of Gibraltarians during the
> Spanish Civil War.
> These truly selfless acts went against the official
> position of the British Government (the farce of non-interventionism).
> Many refugees even chose to stay in Gibraltar, marry into Gibraltarian
> families and make Gibraltar their permanent home. This is an aspect of
> our history that is often ignored and overlooked.
Españuelo
> "Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
>
>>On 27 Sep 2006 08:15:17 -0700, "RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>http://www.gsd.gi/health.htm
>>
>>>Ahi no veo nada. Tiene ud. otro link?
>>
>>Works for me. Try again.
>>
>>The new hospital is in Europort, its up and running for nearly
>>two years. There is an external picture of it on their website
>>
>>
>>>>http://www.gha.gov.gi/
>>
>>And if there is something they cannot do there, medicine being a
>>very specialised thing, they send patients to the UK or Spain and
>>in both cases the Government of Gibraltar pays the full cost.
>>
>>So Spain actually makes money from Gibraltar for this.
>>--
>>Jim Watt
>>http://www.gibnet.com
>
>
> No sé que coños hace España proporcionando a unos bandidos servicios tales
> como cuidados hospitalarios, lineas de teléfonos y una frontera abierta para
> que sigan estafándonos con impunidad. La única solución es el completo
> cierre de la verja y la vigilancia extricta de barcas de motor para evitar
> el contrabando y el tráfico de droga.
>
>
>
Tranquil, els teus paisans, els ulteriors que tamben els janitors
ho són, són corruptes.
El problema no ès només Gibraltar sinó tot l'Ulterior.
Se dona la matexa independentia que té Gibraltar a l'Ulterior i tot
resolt!!
Jim Watt
wrote:
>When urgent specialist treatment is required, your patients have NO
>PERSONAL CHOICE but going to hospitals in Spain to receive treatment
>and save their lives.
Yes they have, they can go to the UK, most do and if there
was a problem with that the GoG would send them wherever
necessary.
RafaMinu
Wiffi wrote:
> RafaMinu wrote:
> > Para el 70% de los españoles y el 99% de los llanitos ser honesto es
> > ser gilipollas.
> > Yo, la verdad es que soy bastante gilipollas...
> >
> > No es un delito pequeño. En España el IVA (Tax) es del 16%. El 16% de
> > miles de millones de euros es bastante dinero...
> >
>
> Rafaminu, perhaps only for a short while you should take off those
> anti-Gibraltarian glasses of yours and try not to diminish everything
> and anything Gibraltarian...just for once.
rather.
It's not my fault there are so many of them.
> I know that your hatred of all things Gibraltarian stems firstly from
> losing your job here and secondly (apparently) from having an
> unfortunate incident over a shopping trolley with a Gibraltarian, but I
> hardly think that qualifies you as a serious, objective analyst of the
> Gibraltarian pysche and the Gibraltarian character.
I didn't loose my job, but rather was cheated by a "llanito" ...
(coincidently)
I have many more anecdotes. Anyone who has had any kind of relationship
with Gibraltar has plenty of stories about "llanitos". Just go over to
La Linea and ask.
> Let me be so bold as to correct you on your assertion that 99% of the
> Gibraltarians don't pay taxes, which is something you insinuate in an
> earlier post. I know many Spaniards are comfortable with this myth
> because it sits very nicely with their perception (born out of purely
> political motivations) that Gibraltar is nothing but a den of thieves
> and criminals. Whilst I accept there is little I can do to change your
> perception of us (consumed as you are by your xenophobic hatred, which
> also extends to the French, I see) I can certainly point you to the
> fact that us Gibraltarian workers pay an average 35% tax on our
> incomes.
>
> Yes 35%.
Well, from my own experience, i can tell you the company i worked for
paid nothing.
I worked over 9 months there, and when I went to the Social Security
here, I found out my beloved "llanito" partner had not paid any taxes
on my work.
But it's just another coincidence...
> That makes us one of the highest taxpaying areas in Europe, right up
> there with Scandinavia. Our taxes are spent, among other things, on a
> solid health system, an excellent education system (which sees our
> students attain record levels of passes at GCSE and A-level every
> academic year and subsequently attend UK universities of their choice
> paid for by the Gibraltarian coffers).
Anyone who has been to Scandinavia and Gibraltar would laugh at your
pathetic attempt to compare both places...
> For all the excellence of our health system, there are times when
> specialist treatment is required,
Excellence my ass
> and it is then that our patients are
> given the PERSONAL CHOICE of going to hospitals in either Spain or the
> UK to receive that treatment.
There's no such thing as PERSONAL CHOICE when you have a medical
emergency.
Well, yes, you can choose between being compassionately treated in
Spain or dying...
> The treatment given to our patients in
> either country is fully paid for by our Government - its hardly an act
> of selfless kindness by the authorities involved.
But it is.We don't need any more overcrowding in our hospitals, but
what else can we do with you people? Otherwise, real emergency cases
would be left to die...
> Having said that, the
> treatment given to our people in both Spain and the UK is usually of a
> very high order and the relationships and cooperation at professional
> and administrative levels are always excellent.
Solo faltaba que encima te quejaras
> Naturally, that we
> should have access to those hospitals in Spain and the UK is a point
> worth celebrating, and something we should be grateful for in and of
> itself.
It's that some kind of thankyou?
> Our shared history is marked by moments of kindness and human warmth.
> You give the example of the 19th century Yellow Fever epidemic. As
> another, we should mention the shelter and kindness given to Republican
> refugees in Gibraltar by the majority of Gibraltarians during the
> Spanish Civil War.
> These truly selfless acts went against the official
> position of the British Government (the farce of non-interventionism).
> Many refugees even chose to stay in Gibraltar, marry into Gibraltarian
> families and make Gibraltar their permanent home. This is an aspect of
> our history that is often ignored and overlooked.
RafaMinu
Wiffi wrote:
> RafaMinu wrote:
> > Para el 70% de los españoles y el 99% de los llanitos ser honesto es
> > ser gilipollas.
> > Yo, la verdad es que soy bastante gilipollas...
> >
> > No es un delito pequeño. En España el IVA (Tax) es del 16%. El 16% de
> > miles de millones de euros es bastante dinero...
> >
>
> Rafaminu, perhaps only for a short while you should take off those
> anti-Gibraltarian glasses of yours and try not to diminish everything
> and anything Gibraltarian...just for once.
rather.
It's not my fault there are so many of them.
> I know that your hatred of all things Gibraltarian stems firstly from
> losing your job here and secondly (apparently) from having an
> unfortunate incident over a shopping trolley with a Gibraltarian, but I
> hardly think that qualifies you as a serious, objective analyst of the
> Gibraltarian pysche and the Gibraltarian character.
I didn't loose my job, but rather was cheated by a "llanito" ...
(coincidently)
I have many more anecdotes. Anyone who has had any kind of relationship
with Gibraltar has plenty of stories about "llanitos". Just go over to
La Linea and ask.
> Let me be so bold as to correct you on your assertion that 99% of the
> Gibraltarians don't pay taxes, which is something you insinuate in an
> earlier post. I know many Spaniards are comfortable with this myth
> because it sits very nicely with their perception (born out of purely
> political motivations) that Gibraltar is nothing but a den of thieves
> and criminals. Whilst I accept there is little I can do to change your
> perception of us (consumed as you are by your xenophobic hatred, which
> also extends to the French, I see) I can certainly point you to the
> fact that us Gibraltarian workers pay an average 35% tax on our
> incomes.
>
> Yes 35%.
Well, from my own experience, i can tell you the company i worked for
paid nothing.
I worked over 9 months there, and when I went to the Social Security
here, I found out my beloved "llanito" partner had not paid any taxes
on my work.
But it's just another coincidence...
> That makes us one of the highest taxpaying areas in Europe, right up
> there with Scandinavia. Our taxes are spent, among other things, on a
> solid health system, an excellent education system (which sees our
> students attain record levels of passes at GCSE and A-level every
> academic year and subsequently attend UK universities of their choice
> paid for by the Gibraltarian coffers).
Anyone who has been to Scandinavia and Gibraltar would laugh at your
pathetic attempt to compare both places...
> For all the excellence of our health system, there are times when
> specialist treatment is required,
Excellence my ass
> and it is then that our patients are
> given the PERSONAL CHOICE of going to hospitals in either Spain or the
> UK to receive that treatment.
There's no such thing as PERSONAL CHOICE when you have a medical
emergency.
Well, yes, you can choose between being compassionately treated in
Spain or dying...
> The treatment given to our patients in
> either country is fully paid for by our Government - its hardly an act
> of selfless kindness by the authorities involved.
But it is.We don't need any more overcrowding in our hospitals, but
what else can we do with you people? Otherwise, real emergency cases
would be left to die...
> Having said that, the
> treatment given to our people in both Spain and the UK is usually of a
> very high order and the relationships and cooperation at professional
> and administrative levels are always excellent.
Solo faltaba que encima te quejaras
> Naturally, that we
> should have access to those hospitals in Spain and the UK is a point
> worth celebrating, and something we should be grateful for in and of
> itself.
It's that some kind of thankyou?
> Our shared history is marked by moments of kindness and human warmth.
> You give the example of the 19th century Yellow Fever epidemic. As
> another, we should mention the shelter and kindness given to Republican
> refugees in Gibraltar by the majority of Gibraltarians during the
> Spanish Civil War.
> These truly selfless acts went against the official
> position of the British Government (the farce of non-interventionism).
> Many refugees even chose to stay in Gibraltar, marry into Gibraltarian
> families and make Gibraltar their permanent home. This is an aspect of
> our history that is often ignored and overlooked.
Jim Watt
Pretty close; The difference between the US and British models is
that the state assumes the role of insurer, and coverage is wider.
Overall its probably better as it forces people to provide for future
sickness and should encourage preventative medicine.
I found it very amusing when el presidente said that one of the aims
of the American invasion of Iraq was to provide good free health
services for the iraqi people ...
Alboroto
> Tranquil, els teus paisans, els ulteriors que tamben els janitors ho
> són, són corruptes.
>
> El problema no ès només Gibraltar sinó tot l'Ulterior.
>
> Se dona la matexa independentia que té Gibraltar a l'Ulterior i tot
> resolt!!
No tenemos poco lío territorial para que vengas tu a poner más :DD
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jim Watt
<chiripit...@no.es> wrote:
>Los únicos servicios que les debería prestar España a esos colonizadores,
>descendientes directos de piratas y bucaneros, y además gratis total, es
>alojamiento en régimen de pensión completa en uno de esos establecimientos
>que tienen puertas y ventanas hechas a base de barrotes de hierro, y dos
>pijamas
>anuales a rayas blancas y negras.
perhaps franco is not dead after all ...
Jim Watt
<pata...@netnitco.net> wrote:
>I live in Indianajuato, near Chicago,
That might explain why you know fuck all about
Spain and even less about Gibraltar.
RafaMinu
RafaMinu
Gurriato
>> I live in Indianajuato, near Chicago, and I speak Chicagoan English
>> myself now. For me "The Chicago Bears" is "Da Baers". Neither
>> German nor Polish contains the consonant th and the large number
>> of speakers of those languages who immigrated to this area
>> approximated the sound as d. Besides I
>> believe that Mary, marry, and merry all rhyme with each other.
>>
>> I say faucet instead of spigot, pop for soft drink, shopping cart vs.
>> shopping buggy, water fountain vs. drinking fountain and teeter totter
>> for
>> seesaw.
>>
> Pues, te disfraces de lingüista. ¿De dónde soy?
Por lo mal que hablas el castellano, de Fachadoliz seguro que no eres,
chato
Pa mí que eres uno de esos gringos obesos con calzonas cortas, camiseta con
frasecita pija y gorrita beisbolera con la visera p'atrás. Visto uno,
vistos todos. Los gabardos sois los inventores de la producción en cadena.
Sois todos igualitos, cortados por el mismo patrón.
Por cierto, el subjuntivo de "disfraces" no viene a cuento. Deberías haber
dicho:"Ya que te disfrazas de lingüista, ¿de dónde soy?"
GURRIATO
Ken
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
Air ambulance. Very effective. I know.
Ken
Gurriato
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:05:11 -0500, "Gurriato"
> <pata...@netnitco.net> wrote:
>
>>I live in Indianajuato, near Chicago,
>
> That might explain why you know fuck all about
> Spain and even less about Gibraltar.
¡Pero qué me dices, merluzo! Yo de Gibraltar lo sé todo, todito, todo.
Gibraltar es un pequeño territorio localizado en una peninsulilla homónima
del estrecho de Gibraltar, clave en el suministro de narcóticos a España.
Durante siglos los habitantes de Gibraltar permanecieron ocultos al mundo
hasta producirse una invasión de turistas españoles a principios del siglo
XXI. El influjo de turistas es un plan secreto del Rey Magneto I de España
para invadir la peninsulilla tras haber recibido noticias fiables de sus
espías Bothan que indicaban la presencia de un importante alijo de drogas
alojado en una de sus cuevas subterráneas.
Gibraltar es el tercer estado más pequeño del mundo. Es un país pequeño de
tamaño, pero grande de corazón (parida). Debido a la falta de terreno en
este pais se acostumbra a dormir de pie. El día de Fin de Año, en lugar de
tocar las correspondientes 12 campanadas, hacen sonar 24, con la intención
de parecer más grandes en algo.
Gibraltar es un país de Yúrop, situado concretamente al sur de la
Península Ibérica. Limita al oeste con el mar, al sur con el mar, al este
con el mar, al norte con la Verja, arriba con las monas y, en especial,
abajo con el Infierno. Gibraltar se rige por medio de una dictadura
cleptomaníaca machista de carácter vitalicio. Su moneda oficial es el
narco, que equivale a diez luros. Gibraltar es gobernada por Paco, el dueño
de la cervecería de enfrente.
El territorio en realidad pertenece al Yunaited Quíndon of Grueit Briten an
Norden Áirelan (Jincalaperra). Los habitantes de Jincalaperra son conocidos
como guiris o limeyes y son famosos mundialmente por su carácter afable, su
salud dental, su gastronomía, su recato en el beber y su cuidada higiene.
Asimismo la belleza de las inglesas es conocida y admirada en todo el mundo.
Los ingleses son los inventores de las orejas gigantes como símbolo de
realeza, y han introducido en Gibraltar los sombreros estilo Marge
Simpson, que son muy populares.
Gibraltar es la base de operaciones de Jincalaperra para dominar España y de
ahí el gran numero de guiris que se ven ahora por todo Al-Andalus,
incluido el Rano aunque ultimamente no sé por donde andará metido el muy
cabrón. Allí mandan a los jubilados que la gente no quiere en Jincalaperra.
Más concretamente los llevan a urbanizaciones con campos de golf, para que
cuando haya mas ingleses que españoles presentar a Victoria Bekam a las
elecciones y apropiarse de España, a la que renombrarian como Juliganistán.
Los limeyes quieren establecer su capital en Gibraltar
Gibraltar tiene muchísimos atractivos turísticos, aunque la única playa que
tiene es una auténtica porquería llena de cáscaras de plátano. La mayor
atracción son las monas, que están todas diabéticas porque los turistas no
hacen sino echarles caramelos y se van a morir todas ellas en poco tiempo.
Es importante destacar el evento deportivo más importante de la ciudad, la
carrera de triciclos Fórmula 1.En Gibraltar existen numerosos museos, pero
ninguno tan reconocido como el Museo de la Nada, lugar donde se recogen los
mayores ingresos procedentes de gringos despistados. Cabe también reconocer
la Biblioteca Municipal del Sudoeste Gibraltareño, donde se encuentra el
único volumen incunable conocido de Caperucita Roja en idioma Yanito, además
de toda la colección de enciclopedias didácticas ilustradas.
Gibraltar no está actualmente en guerra con ningún país del Mundo, sino que
se mantiene al margen, esperando la oportunidad para alcanzar el mando del
Consejo de Seguridad de la ONU.
Gibraltar es un país de leyes muy estrictas. Es verdad que están
autorizados el fraude fiscal, el blanqueo de dinero, el contrabando de
drogas y otras actividades sin afán de lucro, pero por otro lado está
totalmente prohibida la detonación de cualquier tipo de arma nuclear. La
tenencia de dichas armas está autorizada pero no su uso. Los matrimonios
entre parientes consanguineos en primer grado estan permitidos siempre y
cuando los contrayentes tengan más de 50 años, pero está a terminantemente
prohibido el sexo oral y anal. El lanzamiento de bolas de nieve está penado
con una multa de 50 narcos. Gibraltar cuida mucho el medio ambiente y por
eso la caza de ballenas está terminantemente prohibida en sus aguas
territoriales.
En el día día de hoy las investigaciones acerca de la presunta trama de
lavado de dinero y tráfico de estupefacientes dirigida por Mr. Jim Watt se
encuentra parada. Todos los guardias civiles que intentaron reabrir el caso
murieron en extrañas circunstancias.
Saludos
GURRIATEMBERG
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"Gibraltar es un país muy bonito que pertenece a Gran Bretaña
y que se encuentra situado en ... África..., donde hay... pues... eso,
una Bretaña muy grande..." ~ George Bush sobre Great Britain
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Gurriato
"Alboroto" <lwmi...@yajoo.com> wrote in message
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El plan territorial del Españuelo es mucho más sensato que el del Zapatroski
(Mr.Bean)
GURRIATEMBERG
Jim Watt
wrote:
>Spanish Social Security is a public institution and does not engage in
>any commercial transactions.
Spanish hospitals take paying patients, its nothing to do with your
social security system.
>It is financed with taxes paid by Spanish people and you should be
>grateful for having access to it.
what we use we pay for, and that money no doubt pays for health
care for Spaniards, so its they who should be grateful to us.
>> >If you have a real emergency, there's no other place you can go but
>> >Spain
Gibraltar has a large modern hospital for emergencies.
>> Gibraltar learnt how to manage without Spain when the frontier was
>> closed. At the time the only source of oxygen was overland and the
>> supplies ran out. People died.
>People died in great numbers, when under British control
Yes, particularly from having their houses shelled by Spain
despite signing the Treaty of Utrecht and promising peace
Your words are empty, your promises are not kept and were it
not for money milked from the EU Spain would still be a third
world country.
I guess you are embarassed that some 5000 Spaniards earn their
living in Gibraltar instead of being unemployed.
, the
>population was left to die from yellow fever.
>Thanks to the compassion and generosity of the Spanish Government, your
>ancestors could save their lives. You and most of the population of
>Gibraltar owe their very existence to that compassion and generosity.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com
Gurriato
"El Moscardon" <chiripit...@no.es> wrote in message
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> Los únicos servicios que les debería prestar España a esos colonizadores,
> descendientes directos de piratas y bucaneros, y además gratis total, es
> alojamiento en régimen de pensión completa en uno de esos establecimientos
> que tienen puertas y ventanas hechas a base de barrotes de hierro, y dos
> pijamas
> anuales a rayas blancas y negras.
>
> Los monos que quedarían danzando en ese territorio español, para que no se
> queden desamparados, se los mandaríamos por ferry a la reina madre y al
> orejudo de su hijo a partes iguales, para que los mantengan y se diviertan
> con ellos. No queremos nada que no nos pertenezca.
Pues ahí tienes al inepto de tu jefe, el Zapatonto alias "Bamby", cagándola
como de costumbre tras depilarse las cejas. Ese cretino ha sido el
gobernante más nefasto que ha tenido España en los últimos dos siglos.
España, el Reino Unido y Gibraltar firmaron un acuerdo el lunes 18 en
Córdoba sobre uso conjunto del aeropuerto, con el añadido de una
revalorización de pensiones de los trabajadores españoles que es el
chocolate del loro. Han leído ustedes bien. Suscrito por tres Naciones de
modo encubierto en un mentado "Foro Tripartito de Diálogo". Otra nefasta
"derivada" del talante de Zapatero. Supone reconocer a Gibraltar, por
primera vez en trescientos años, categoría de parte en futuras negociaciones
lo cual, se admita o no, menoscaba nuestra soberanía.
Habrá quien le vea ventajas a lo del aeropuerto del Peñón y a ciertas
facilidades adicionales en el paso de la verja, pero el precio es enorme y
los beneficios son para ellos, los gibraltareños y sus socios. Maldita la
falta que hacía mejorar de nuevo a una economía, parasitaria de España, con
más de 50.000 sociedades fantasma; ¿cuantas por habitante? No es casual la
corrupción que hoy gravita en la colindante Costa del Sol. ¿Será éste el
motivo por el que la tolerante Junta de Andalucía ha calificado de
"histórica" la reunión de firma del acuerdo? Y eso que de aeropuertos
regionales anda sobrada si sumamos a los de Jerez y Málaga -unidos al Peñón
por rápida autopista- los también accesibles de Sevilla, Granada y Almería.
Otro inri del pacto Tripartito sobre Gibraltar es que confirma, de hecho, la
usurpación por Gran Bretaña de territorio español para iniciar en 1938 la
construcción "de extranjis" del aeródromo, ahora elevado a la categoría de
aeropuerto. Ello con el agravante de alevosía al arrebatarlo cuando España
estaba embarcada en la guerra civil e imposibilitada para evitarlo.
Y el pastelero Moratinos, con anuencia de Zapatero, ha añadido una guinda al
hojaldre para evitar que España invoque el pacto como tácito reconocimiento
de su soberanía. A tal efecto la única terminal de viajeros se sitúa en
territorio gibraltareño pero contigua a la verja. Ello permitirá el acceso
directo desde el lado español, mediante un voladizo, a nuestra policía para
el control de algunos pasaportes conforme a Schengen. ¡Como si la policía
estuviera en territorio español y no en el Peñón, que así de hábiles son los
llanitos!
Saludos
GURRIATEMBERG
ElGaucho
"Gurriato" <pata...@netnitco.net> wrote in message
>> That might explain why you know fuck all about
>> Spain and even less about Gibraltar.
> ¡Pero qué me dices, merluzo! Yo de Gibraltar lo sé todo, todito, todo.
Ya me imaginaba que no ibas a permanecer indiferente a esa inoportuna
impertinencia y mojada de oreja. Bueno, realmente ti'as pasado con ese
artículo: llevadero, humorístico y tan, pero tan tan tan informativo.
Y yo que estaba leyendo otras cosas acerca de Gibraltar. Luego de tu
presentación, todo el resto escrito enunantes y enundispués es una
inutilidad, digna sólo de ignorar y de arrojar a la basura.
Agradezco el ahorro de mi tiempo,
Oscar
ElGaucho
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
>>Spanish Social Security is a public institution and does not engage in
>>any commercial transactions.
> Spanish hospitals take paying patients, its nothing to do with your
> social security system.
>>It is financed with taxes paid by Spanish people and you should be
>>grateful for having access to it.
> what we use we pay for, and that money no doubt pays for health
> care for Spaniards, so its they who should be grateful to us.
You know, you do sound annoyed as if cheated because Spain may charge
outsiders for health care: (you talk as if the Spanish Health System were a
"business") And you keep identifying those charges with this 'aim' to be
profitable in the SpanH's. Why's that? After all, you don't pay taxes in
Spain, or are you a member of the Spanish nation.
If they charge you, that is just. If you're in Spain, stranger an'all and
can't pay, they'll help you, anyways, as an act of humanity -'course,
they'll try to collect if they can.
But that is not a business, sir. At least, not the same type one sees in the
US of A. with the conduct of some hospitals and doctors.
Oaa
Jim Watt
>you talk as if the Spanish Health System were a
>"business"
It is.
The doctor comes and collects the money before he treats
you. I'm not complaining, thats good business practice.
You seem to think they are 'doing us a favour'
Its a simple business transaction, like having a haircut
or buying a beer in a bar. Someone provides a service and
its paid for. Or in this case you pay in advance.
whats the problem with that? its legal and quite respectable.
What is wrong is deliberatly witholding goods and services
which are freely available for political purposes.
Like the Government of spain instructing its telephone operators
not to enter into roaming agreements for mobile phones with the
Gibraltar operator Gibtelecom, or refusing entry into Spanish
ports to cruise ships that have visited Gibraltar.
OR building a bloody great big antenna mast next to the airport
acting as a hazard to navigation.
But these are all the wrongs done by Franco which the PP would
like to perpetuate and thankfully Sr Zapatero does not.
Jim Watt
<pata...@netnitco.net> wrote:
<yawn>
Jim Watt
--
El concepto de 'Gibraltar es Espanol' es antiquado y uno que ya no
tiene sentido en una epoca moderna. Alt.gibraltar es un newsgroup
dedicado a el argumento inteligente y considerado sobre el presente
y futuro de Gibraltar y de sus inhabitantes NO al argumento, ya
perdido, de fascistas.
ElGaucho
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> It is.
> The doctor comes and collects the money before he treats
> you. I'm not complaining, thats good business practice.
> You seem to think they are 'doing us a favour'
> Its a simple business transaction, like having a haircut
> or buying a beer in a bar. Someone provides a service and
> its paid for. Or in this case you pay in advance.
> whats the problem with that? its legal and quite respectable.
The problem is with me, I think, and my perception of the "why" of health
care. Maybe I am idealizing too much the intentions, the principal aim and
objectives of doctors/ hospitals when they take care of people, or, say,
bring somebody up to scratch, health-wise. I still believe they are not
like auto mechanics in the depths of their souls 'n intentions, although,
that can very well appear so when it's time to charge for their services.
I am giving them, of course, the credit for being "humanists" as well -not
all, but many.
I would like to believe that some doctors, people whom I've
known/appreciated, have looked after me and my family with something more
other than $$$$$$ in their minds.
C'est tout, M. Jimmy-boy. It's I who might be wrong-o
Oscar
ElGaucho
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> <yawn>
> Jim Watt
> --
> El concepto de 'Gibraltar es Espanol' es antiquado y uno que ya no
> tiene sentido en una epoca moderna. Alt.gibraltar es un newsgroup
> dedicado a el argumento inteligente y considerado sobre el presente
> y futuro de Gibraltar y de sus inhabitantes NO al argumento, ya
> perdido, de fascistas.
Why d'you keep on calling Mr. G a "fascista"? If you should call him a
jewel thief or a homosexual I might believe you... But, a fascist????
I think not.
Oscar
ElGaucho
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> That might explain why you know fuck all about
> Spain and even less about Gibraltar.
> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com
El Peñón
Gibraltar es una roca
que con orgullo pulida
se mantiene muy erguida
desafiando a quien la toca.
Porque si alguien se equivoca
pensando que hay algo atrás,
que es oro afuera, no más,
se ven puertas que se cierran,
y la gente que es muy seria
dice "¡vaya con la fatuidad!"
ElGaucho
Gurriato
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:13:33 -0700, "ElGaucho" <ga...@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
>
>>you talk as if the Spanish Health System were a
>>"business"
>
> It is.
>
> The doctor comes and collects the money before he treats
> you. I'm not complaining, thats good business practice.
>
> You seem to think they are 'doing us a favour'
They are.
Limeyes should pay the visit to a doctor who may in turn refer you for
psychiatric assessment ( you NEED it !!!)
One of the common problemsfor flabby, white-ass Limeyes is sunstroke in a
country like Andalusia. Over exposure to heat in Gibraltar can be very
dangerous. If you start feeling weak, fatigued, dizzy or disoriented, get
out of the sun immediately and go to a cool, shady place, such as Asturias.
If you get sick in Gibraltar the best thing to do is phone home and
confirm that you have made a will.
In the event of requiring hospital treatment , there are reasonable
facilities in nearby Spanish cities. Only emergency health care can be
found in Gibraltar, at the Military Hospital, although to gain admisssion to
the facility it may be necessary to self inflict yourself a bullet wound.
The Military Hospital is very under-equipped and it is not unusual for
Limey patients requiring an X-ray to be sent to the airport where they can
pass through the baggage-screaning device.
Malaria is very common in Gibraltar. This potentially fatal disease exists
throughout the year and is spread by mosquito bites. Worst affected areas
are the low lying swamps by the seaside and anywhere large amounts of
stagnant water collects, such as hotel bathrooms. There are various forms
of malaria in Gibraltar, including a rare strain that is actually carried by
Llanitos and fatal to mosquitos. When large numbers of Limeyes are affected
by malaria, their flabby white asses are usually saved by the charity of
Spanish authorities.
> Its a simple business transaction, like having a haircut
> or buying a beer in a bar. Someone provides a service and
> its paid for. Or in this case you pay in advance.
For those who prefer alternative health care, Gibraltar also boasts a
24-hours Moroccan witch doctor clinic. It is cheaper than the care at
Spanish Hospitals, but Dr. Muhammed ben Imete also requests his services to
be paid in advance. Here patients can receive an magical incantation or
protective amulet at any time of the day.
> whats the problem with that? its legal and quite respectable.
>
> What is wrong is deliberatly witholding goods and services
> which are freely available for political purposes.
>
> Like the Government of spain instructing its telephone operators
> not to enter into roaming agreements for mobile phones with the
> Gibraltar operator Gibtelecom, or refusing entry into Spanish
> ports to cruise ships that have visited Gibraltar.
They are trying to avoid unwelcomed Llanito gansters. Despite claims that
Llanitos are generally open, honest people, I constantly remind myself that
there are bad aples in every bunch. It's better to reject any overtures of
friendliness than risk having your trip spoilt by dishonest Limey behaviour
that you should have seen coming.
> OR building a bloody great big antenna mast next to the airport
> acting as a hazard to navigation.
Warning: There are some disreputable Llanito agents operating within
Gibraltar airport and prospective travellers shuiold be suspicious of any
requests for passport photo involving you or your travelling partner in
lingerie.
> But these are all the wrongs done by Franco which the PP would
> like to perpetuate and thankfully Sr Zapatero does not.
> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com
Saludos
DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR
Gurriato
"ElGaucho" <ga...@vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message
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Yo también tengo una cosa
que se muestra bien erguida,
si la pulen bien pulida
de una manera amistosa.
No es de oro, mas hermosa,
y por por detrás no se cuela...
En la próxima espinela
te defino este acertijo,
para que aprendas, mi hijo,
una nueva triquiñuela.
GURRIATEMBERG
ElGaucho
Una nueva triquiñuela
has de saber de inventar
para poder despertar
del sueño a esa vieja biela.
Probá darle con la espuela
de una bota bien atada,
agregando una patada
pa' levantar las que cuelgan,
unos 'yanis' que sostengan,
... y agradecé la gauchada
ElGaucho
Y si la suerte sigue "echada",
con el culo a hacer guiñadas
Jim Watt
<pata...@netnitco.net> wrote:
<snip>
Suggest you investigate your local mental health
services, and don't forget to take the medication
regularly.
Jim Watt
>
>"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
>Why d'you keep on calling Mr. G a "fascista"? If you should call him a
>jewel thief or a homosexual I might believe you... But, a fascist????
>
>I think not.
Ok perhaps he is too stupid to be a fascist,
and for that you need to be VERY stupid.
RafaMinu
Jim Watt wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:13:33 -0700, "ElGaucho" <ga...@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
>
> >you talk as if the Spanish Health System were a
> >"business"
>
> It is.
>
> The doctor comes and collects the money before he treats
> you. I'm not complaining, thats good business practice.
In Spain the doctor does not collect any money. Neither does any of the
personnel prior to treatment. You are a lier, and you are insulting
Spanish practitioners and the Spanish Health system as a whole with
your insinuations.
This is what happens when trying to help people that don't deserve it.
> You seem to think they are 'doing us a favour'
They are. Paid with our taxes.
> Its a simple business transaction, like having a haircut
> or buying a beer in a bar. Someone provides a service and
> its paid for. Or in this case you pay in advance.
Lie, lie, lie. You don't pay in advance. You get treatment first thing.
> whats the problem with that? its legal and quite respectable.
First you have to learn what legal and quite respectable means, before
you use those words.
> What is wrong is deliberatly witholding goods and services
> which are freely available for political purposes.
>
> Like the Government of spain instructing its telephone operators
> not to enter into roaming agreements for mobile phones with the
> Gibraltar operator Gibtelecom,
Another lie
> or refusing entry into Spanish
> ports to cruise ships that have visited Gibraltar.
That is because Gibraltar is forced to take cruising ships with people
suspected of having serious contagious diseases, that no other country
in the whole of the Mediterranean would allow.
> OR building a bloody great big antenna mast next to the airport
> acting as a hazard to navigation.
It's the airport the one that is a hazard to the antenna
> But these are all the wrongs done by Franco which the PP would
> like to perpetuate and thankfully Sr Zapatero does not.
It's not as simple as that...
ElGaucho
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
>>"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
>>Why d'you keep on calling Mr. G a "fascista"? If you should call him a
>>jewel thief or a homosexual I might believe you... But, a fascist????
>>I think not.
> Ok perhaps he is too stupid to be a fascist,
> and for that you need to be VERY stupid.
Some may think so.
I'm also half crazy, moron, and much worse than a fascist when I get pissed
off
ASSHOLE!!
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com
Wiffi
Oops Rafaminu, in your anti-Gib zeal you seem to have gone overboard
with the reply function. Not to worry. Perhaps its Gibraltar's fault
too.
I take your point on Gibraltarian assholes. There are many about. There
are a fair few in Spain too (Spanish ones), and most of them seem to
inhabit alt.gibraltar for some reason. But that's another story.
It would seem after all that your passionate hatred for us stems from
personal anecdotes and anecdotes you seem to pick up in La Linea.
Anecdotes are sometimes funny, often shocking, rarely true. They are
used by people to put a gloss on the truth or to apportion blame
anywhere but on themselves. Anecdotes and isolated personal experiences
are also used selectively by small-minded people to justify positions
they already hold and can't reasonably otherwise justify. If I get
treated rather rudely by a Frenchman at a rail ticket office, I don't
walk off in a huff proclaiming France to be the armpit of the world. If
I did, I would look very silly indeed. Likewise, I wouldn't base my
opinions on anecdotes because (to paraphrase Dirty Harry) anecdotes are
like assholes...everybody's got one and they're usually full of shit.
As a Gibraltarian, with a very close friend who recently had to undergo
major surgery on a brain tumor, I can assure you that life-saving
operations also occur in the UK. He chose...A PERSONAL CHOICE...to go
to the UK rather than Spain to be operated on. Yes he was given the
option and yes he did make a choice. Choices are wonderful things. The
operation was happily a success and he's now back here in Gib to tell
the tale. It would seem compassion and excellent surgery for
Gibraltarians is possible in countries other than Spain, as long as, as
in Spain, OUR GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR IT.
Thank you NHS Hospitals. Thank You Spanish Hospitals. Feel better?
It never ceases to amaze me, how, with your limited experience of
Gibraltarian life, you claim to know more about Gibraltar than we do.
Sadly for self-appointed experts like yourself, having been born and
bred here, I can smell the politically-motivated bullshit from a mile
away.
En mi ultimo posting no me quejaba del sistema de salud en España. Si
lo lees atentamente te daras cuenta que digo que existen buenas
relaciones entre los profesionales en Gibraltar y en España y a nivel
administrativo y que esto habia que celebrarlo. Despues de todo, es un
paso positivo.
By the way, if I ever bump into you in Leroy Merlin, you can have my
trolley.
RafaMinu
Wiffi wrote:
> Oops Rafaminu, in your anti-Gib zeal you seem to have gone overboard
> with the reply function. Not to worry. Perhaps its Gibraltar's fault
> too.
But that's simply not true.
I've got llanito-friends, not many i must admit, but a few...
> I take your point on Gibraltarian assholes. There are many about. There
> are a fair few in Spain too (Spanish ones), and most of them seem to
> inhabit alt.gibraltar for some reason. But that's another story.
Agreed.
> It would seem after all that your passionate hatred for us stems from
> personal anecdotes and anecdotes you seem to pick up in La Linea.
> Anecdotes are sometimes funny, often shocking, rarely true. They are
> used by people to put a gloss on the truth or to apportion blame
> anywhere but on themselves. Anecdotes and isolated personal experiences
> are also used selectively by small-minded people to justify positions
> they already hold and can't reasonably otherwise justify. If I get
> treated rather rudely by a Frenchman at a rail ticket office, I don't
> walk off in a huff proclaiming France to be the armpit of the world. If
> I did, I would look very silly indeed. Likewise, I wouldn't base my
> opinions on anecdotes because (to paraphrase Dirty Harry) anecdotes are
> like assholes...everybody's got one and they're usually full of shit.
It's all about probabilities,
how many times you run into an asshole in Gib compared to La Linea?
And also must be taken into account the trait dispensed when they find
out you are a Spanish national. That point of view might be a novelty
to you, but try to use your imagination a little and guess what it
would be like...
> As a Gibraltarian, with a very close friend who recently had to undergo
> major surgery on a brain tumor, I can assure you that life-saving
> operations also occur in the UK. He chose...A PERSONAL CHOICE...to go
> to the UK rather than Spain to be operated on. Yes he was given the
> option and yes he did make a choice. Choices are wonderful things. The
> operation was happily a success and he's now back here in Gib to tell
> the tale. It would seem compassion and excellent surgery for
> Gibraltarians is possible in countries other than Spain, as long as, as
> in Spain, OUR GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR IT.
Again: You have no choice in an emergency case. The only choice is
Death.
> Thank you NHS Hospitals. Thank You Spanish Hospitals. Feel better?
Tell you the truth, i thought i wouldn't give a damn, but now that you
wrote the magic word, i kind of feel better, yes.
You're welcome...
> It never ceases to amaze me, how, with your limited experience of
> Gibraltarian life, you claim to know more about Gibraltar than we do.
> Sadly for self-appointed experts like yourself, having been born and
> bred here, I can smell the politically-motivated bullshit from a mile
> away.
You would not smell a rotten fish 2 inches from your nose, that is so
because your nostrils are all blotted with pollution and your
brain-washed mind can't think of Spanish people as other than political
enemies.
> En mi ultimo posting no me quejaba del sistema de salud en España.
Yo si
> Si
> lo lees atentamente te daras cuenta que digo que existen buenas
> relaciones entre los profesionales en Gibraltar y en España y a nivel
> administrativo y que esto habia que celebrarlo. Despues de todo, es un
> paso positivo.
Celebremos, pues.
¿Dónde está el champan? y no me digas que lo tenemos que poner
nosotros también...
> By the way, if I ever bump into you in Leroy Merlin, you can have my
> trolley.
That's easy said...
Wiffi
RafaMinu wrote:
> Wiffi wrote:
>
> > Oops Rafaminu, in your anti-Gib zeal you seem to have gone overboard
> > with the reply function. Not to worry. Perhaps its Gibraltar's fault
> > too.
> But that's simply not true.
> I've got llanito-friends, not many i must admit, but a few...
Good to hear. When you meet up with them, do you hold them personally
accountable for all the ills of the world and tell them they are
tax-dodging Russian mafiosos?
> > I take your point on Gibraltarian assholes. There are many about. There
> > are a fair few in Spain too (Spanish ones), and most of them seem to
> > inhabit alt.gibraltar for some reason. But that's another story.
> Agreed.
>
> > It would seem after all that your passionate hatred for us stems from
> > personal anecdotes and anecdotes you seem to pick up in La Linea.
> > Anecdotes are sometimes funny, often shocking, rarely true. They are
> > used by people to put a gloss on the truth or to apportion blame
> > anywhere but on themselves. Anecdotes and isolated personal experiences
> > are also used selectively by small-minded people to justify positions
> > they already hold and can't reasonably otherwise justify. If I get
> > treated rather rudely by a Frenchman at a rail ticket office, I don't
> > walk off in a huff proclaiming France to be the armpit of the world. If
> > I did, I would look very silly indeed. Likewise, I wouldn't base my
> > opinions on anecdotes because (to paraphrase Dirty Harry) anecdotes are
> > like assholes...everybody's got one and they're usually full of shit.
> It's all about probabilities,
> how many times you run into an asshole in Gib compared to La Linea?
> And also must be taken into account the trait dispensed when they find
> out you are a Spanish national. That point of view might be a novelty
> to you, but try to use your imagination a little and guess what it
> would be like...
Dealing as I do on an almost daily basis with Spanish nationals, I live
the reality and have little need to resort to imagination (or anecdotes
about shopping trolleys). The reality, which might be a novelty to you,
is that they quite like me and I quite like them. We even have
conversations about things like football and the weather and we never
blame each other for the poor state of either. You should try it some
time.
> > As a Gibraltarian, with a very close friend who recently had to undergo
> > major surgery on a brain tumor, I can assure you that life-saving
> > operations also occur in the UK. He chose...A PERSONAL CHOICE...to go
> > to the UK rather than Spain to be operated on. Yes he was given the
> > option and yes he did make a choice. Choices are wonderful things. The
> > operation was happily a success and he's now back here in Gib to tell
> > the tale. It would seem compassion and excellent surgery for
> > Gibraltarians is possible in countries other than Spain, as long as, as
> > in Spain, OUR GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR IT.
> Again: You have no choice in an emergency case. The only choice is
> Death.
Happily, his choice was UK. And he's very much alive. Another
tax-dodging Russian mafioso with a penchant for stealing your shopping
trolley.
> > Thank you NHS Hospitals. Thank You Spanish Hospitals. Feel better?
> Tell you the truth, i thought i wouldn't give a damn, but now that you
> wrote the magic word, i kind of feel better, yes.
> You're welcome...
You see, I'm a Gibraltarian, I pay taxes, and I say "thank you". I'm
not the incarnation of evil, really.
> > It never ceases to amaze me, how, with your limited experience of
> > Gibraltarian life, you claim to know more about Gibraltar than we do.
> > Sadly for self-appointed experts like yourself, having been born and
> > bred here, I can smell the politically-motivated bullshit from a mile
> > away.
> You would not smell a rotten fish 2 inches from your nose, that is so
> because your nostrils are all blotted with pollution and your
> brain-washed mind can't think of Spanish people as other than political
> enemies.
Possibly, I have your Government to thank for blocking one nostril
(thanks CEPSA, Acerinox et al) and mine for blocking the other (thanks
oil bunkering, nuclear submarines, car pollution).
There's a phrase in the language of the opressors (the Brits) that goes
something like "pot calling kettle black". They use it to describe
hypocrisy. Try this as an interesting exercise. Note down your phrase
"your brain-washed mind can't think of Spanish people as other than
political enemies" and replace the word "Spanish" with "Gibraltarian".
Then take a close look in a nearby mirror. You're a pot and you just
called a kettle black.
> > En mi ultimo posting no me quejaba del sistema de salud en España.
> Yo si
>
> > Si
> > lo lees atentamente te daras cuenta que digo que existen buenas
> > relaciones entre los profesionales en Gibraltar y en España y a nivel
> > administrativo y que esto habia que celebrarlo. Despues de todo, es un
> > paso positivo.
> Celebremos, pues.
> ¿Dónde está el champan? y no me digas que lo tenemos que poner
> nosotros también...
You'd better buy the champagne yourselves. Ours will probably have been
bought with Russian mafia money, ETA money, Al Qaeda money.......
> > By the way, if I ever bump into you in Leroy Merlin, you can have my
> > trolley.
> That's easy said...
No I mean it. Or we could share a trolley in the spirit of cooperation
and good neighbourliness and we can find an Englishman to contribute
the Euro coin. Practical tripartitism at its best.
RafaMinu
Wiffi wrote:
> RafaMinu wrote:
> > Wiffi wrote:
> >
> > > Oops Rafaminu, in your anti-Gib zeal you seem to have gone overboard
> > > with the reply function. Not to worry. Perhaps its Gibraltar's fault
> > > too.
> > But that's simply not true.
> > I've got llanito-friends, not many i must admit, but a few...
>
> Good to hear. When you meet up with them, do you hold them personally
> accountable for all the ills of the world and tell them they are
> tax-dodging Russian mafiosos?
I thought Gibraltar was about tax-dodging Spanish and British
mafiosos...
I've got many more anecdotes, all involving "llanitos" thinking of
themselves as big shots, just because they think that's the way
british-educated people is supposed to act.
I'll keep you posted, don't worry...
> The reality, which might be a novelty to you,
> is that they quite like me and I quite like them. We even have
> conversations about things like football and the weather and we never
Don't like football.
Si conocieras España, sabrias que hay 3 cosas de las que no debes
hablar:
1- Politica
2- Religion
3- Futbol
Pero si te quitan esas 3 cosas, de que coño vas a hablar?
> blame each other for the poor state of either. You should try it some
> time.
Did I blame anyone for the poor state of anybody?
When did I? Sorry, I don't recall...
> > > As a Gibraltarian, with a very close friend who recently had to undergo
> > > major surgery on a brain tumor, I can assure you that life-saving
> > > operations also occur in the UK. He chose...A PERSONAL CHOICE...to go
> > > to the UK rather than Spain to be operated on. Yes he was given the
> > > option and yes he did make a choice. Choices are wonderful things. The
> > > operation was happily a success and he's now back here in Gib to tell
> > > the tale. It would seem compassion and excellent surgery for
> > > Gibraltarians is possible in countries other than Spain, as long as, as
> > > in Spain, OUR GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR IT.
> > Again: You have no choice in an emergency case. The only choice is
> > Death.
>
> Happily, his choice was UK.
His choice was UK because he was lucky enough to have the time to
choose.
> And he's very much alive. Another
Glad he is.
> tax-dodging Russian mafioso with a penchant for stealing your shopping
> trolley.
I haven't had the pleasure to meet many of them, Russian mafiosos, but
I suspect even them have better manners than the aforementioned
llanitos.
> > > Thank you NHS Hospitals. Thank You Spanish Hospitals. Feel better?
> > Tell you the truth, i thought i wouldn't give a damn, but now that you
> > wrote the magic word, i kind of feel better, yes.
> > You're welcome...
>
> You see, I'm a Gibraltarian, I pay taxes, and I say "thank you". I'm
> not the incarnation of evil, really.
I never implied that.
Maybe i did explore the possibility that some of you may have sold
their souls to devil, but that's all...
> > > It never ceases to amaze me, how, with your limited experience of
> > > Gibraltarian life, you claim to know more about Gibraltar than we do.
> > > Sadly for self-appointed experts like yourself, having been born and
> > > bred here, I can smell the politically-motivated bullshit from a mile
> > > away.
> > You would not smell a rotten fish 2 inches from your nose, that is so
> > because your nostrils are all blotted with pollution and your
> > brain-washed mind can't think of Spanish people as other than political
> > enemies.
>
> Possibly, I have your Government to thank for blocking one nostril
> (thanks CEPSA, Acerinox et al) and mine for blocking the other (thanks
> oil bunkering, nuclear submarines, car pollution).
So, why aren't you complaining to the EU?
It is in clear contravention of European directives, and you are
directly affected...
> There's a phrase in the language of the opressors (the Brits) that goes
> something like "pot calling kettle black". They use it to describe
> hypocrisy. Try this as an interesting exercise. Note down your phrase
> "your brain-washed mind can't think of Spanish people as other than
> political enemies" and replace the word "Spanish" with "Gibraltarian".
> Then take a close look in a nearby mirror. You're a pot and you just
> called a kettle black.
You are utterly wrong.
I do not give a fuck about a person's nationality or race. Instead, i
care about his/her actions. I traveled to many different places around
the world, and Gibraltar is by far the one where there is the strongest
anti-spanish feeling.
As said I've got many more anecdotes, and since you insist i will post
them so you can judge for yourself...
> > > En mi ultimo posting no me quejaba del sistema de salud en España.
> > Yo si
> >
> > > Si
> > > lo lees atentamente te daras cuenta que digo que existen buenas
> > > relaciones entre los profesionales en Gibraltar y en España y a nivel
> > > administrativo y que esto habia que celebrarlo. Despues de todo, es un
> > > paso positivo.
> > Celebremos, pues.
> > ¿Dónde está el champan? y no me digas que lo tenemos que poner
> > nosotros también...
>
> You'd better buy the champagne yourselves. Ours will probably have been
> bought with Russian mafia money, ETA money, Al Qaeda money.......
Now i'm dissapointed
what a lousy comeback, what an idiot you are, what an asshole...
You are going to find my next post quite revealing, u bloody ignorant.
> > > By the way, if I ever bump into you in Leroy Merlin, you can have my
> > > trolley.
> > That's easy said...
>
> No I mean it. Or we could share a trolley in the spirit of cooperation
> and good neighbourliness and we can find an Englishman to contribute
> the Euro coin. Practical tripartitism at its best.
Ok, and as part of the deal, you start contributing to the general
welfare by stopping the money laundering and by doing some real,
positive work towards the community...
Earle Horton
inglés. La verdad es que tu no sabes nada de la lingüistica ni la
fonología, y que has leído todo en la "Junior Encyclopedia of English and
Spanish Accents".
http://earlehorton.tripod.com/howl.htm
Saludos y un abrazo,
Earle